[12:34] <Riddell> Sime: are you a Soc mentor?  and do you want a student working on guidance?
[12:34] <Riddell> sebas too
[02:05] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:16] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:16] <robotgeek> hey bddebian 
[03:16] <bddebian> Hello robotgeek
[03:17] <Hobbsee_away> hi bddebian and robotgeek 
[03:17] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee_away
[03:17] <robotgeek> hey bddebian, nice hurd works :)
[03:17] <bddebian> robotgeek: ? :-)
[03:18] <robotgeek> http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/ 
[03:19] <Hobbsee_away> what package controls kmixrc?
[03:20] <robotgeek> anyways, back to polishing up my C
[03:25] <bddebian> robotgeek: Ah :-)
[03:25] <crimsun> bddebian: so where's bddebianisagod.com?
[03:25] <bddebian> Grrr :-)
[03:25] <crimsun> ;-)
[08:29] <Sime> Riddell: no, I'm not a mentor. Do you have a good project proposal for guidance?
[10:30] <OculusAquilae> about bug #37131
[10:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37131 in kdebase "can't play dvd's with kaffeine using the kde window for removable devices" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37131
[10:30] <OculusAquilae> is anybody backporting the patch in kaffeine 0.8.1 ?
[10:35] <OculusAquilae> s/in/of
[11:17] <pygi> hi Hobbsee 
[11:18] <Hobbsee> hi pygi 
[11:18] <pygi> how are you? :)
[11:18] <Hobbsee> pretty tired, i just got home from work...
[11:19] <pygi> argh :-/
[11:43] <pygi> congrats Hobbsee 
[11:44] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:44] <Hobbsee> if only the sound were that easy...
[11:46] <Riddell> Sime: kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/soc.text  I thought that one was interesting
[11:46] <Riddell> but it needs more votes to get in
[11:48] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell 
[11:48] <Riddell> Sime: sign up if you want http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_home.html and poke thiago to approve it
[11:48] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[11:48] <pygi> Riddell, hm, we cant get anymore applications in if he hasnt applied
[11:49] <Riddell> pygi: that's right
[11:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: new langpacks are here, but the issue is still here with french...
[11:49] <Tonio_> hi everyone :)
[11:49] <pygi> Riddell, hm, so whats up with that application_
[11:49] <pygi> ?
[11:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I assume there are a few others that still don't work too
[11:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: I know, now I've fixed the problem for real, but we need to wait on new language packs again :)
[11:50] <Riddell> pygi: I want Sime to look it over
[11:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, is pitti aware of this ?
[11:50] <pygi> Riddell, ah,oki
[11:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[11:50] <Riddell> new kdelibs should merge the .pot files for real
[11:51] <Tonio_> yes I saw an update yesterday evening
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I saw you uploaded kdebase and kds with my changes
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell:  what about kde-systemsettings ?
[11:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: I uploaded that too
[11:53] <Riddell> or at least I should have done
[11:54] <Riddell> yes, I have kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20060512-0ubuntu1_source.upload
[11:54] <Tonio_> oups sorry I was waiting for the 0ubuntu2 version ;)
[11:54] <Tonio_> great
[11:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when are we looking at testing kubuntu cds?  your wednesday, or something?
[11:55] <Riddell> I put everything upstream and took a new version
[11:56] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, it'll probably be wednesday
[11:56] <Riddell> for flight 8
[11:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay
[11:56] <Riddell> testing anytime welcome too
[11:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do we expect them to work?
[11:56] <Riddell> sure
[11:56] <Hobbsee> right
[11:57] <Hobbsee> hmm...dad would not be happy
[11:58] <Riddell> need to wait for your bandwidth allowance to come round?
[11:58] <Riddell> remember you can use rsync if you have a recent iso
[11:59] <abattoir_> Riddell: QTParted occupies only a small corner in the Ubiquity partitioning dialog...
[11:59] <abattoir_> is this a known issue?
[11:59] <Riddell> abattoir_: yes, I've fixed it in my repository
[11:59] <Riddell> you can resize the window
[12:00] <abattoir_> Riddell: in ubiquity huh? ok
[12:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good point...i've only got a flight 4, burnt to a cd..
[12:00] <Hobbsee> i dont have the original ISO still...
[12:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: probably notmuch point rsyncing an iso that old
[12:01] <Hobbsee> the 10gb has got to last till the end of the month, or the phone doesnt work very well, and mum whinges and whines as a result :P
[12:01] <Riddell> aren't there CD mirrors inside .au?
[12:01] <Hobbsee> yeah, makes no difference where i get it from
[12:01] <Hobbsee> unless i get it from my ISP's site
[12:01] <Riddell> how can they stop your phone usage?
[12:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: see pitti's post to ubuntu-devel-announce about daily packagges
[12:04] <ajmitch_> evening
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just checking my emails
[12:05] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: about bug #37131, have you got a fix for that or shall I sent you mine?
[12:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37131 in kdebase "can't play dvd's with kaffeine using the kde window for removable devices" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37131
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the connection gets shaped to 56K or something if you go over 10gb
[12:07] <Hobbsee> it's really stupid
[12:11] <Hobbsee> what program would be effecting my keyboard settings, and locking the keyboard up at random?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> it unlocks again after logging out of kde...
[12:12] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: worked for me last time I tried
[12:13] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: not with 0.7.1 on my testing computer
[12:13] <OculusAquilae> updated today
[12:20] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: I'll try again and send you my backported patch, if it doesn't work
[12:21] <Riddell> sure
[12:21] <OculusAquilae> ok, it doesn't work there 
[12:40] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ok here is the patch: http://oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu/kaffeine/kubuntu_07_system_media.diff
[12:41] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: here, some of the other patches for kaffeine don't apply
[12:41] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: could you check that?
[12:46] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: thanks, I'll look into it
[12:46] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: shall I close?
[12:47] <Riddell> no, I've not uploaded it yet
[12:47] <OculusAquilae> k
[01:00] <kmon> anyone here with amd64 can confirm bug 40598?
[01:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40598
[01:05] <OculusAquilae> kmon: in breezy that was normal because openoffice runs on amd64 in 32-bit mode. so the kde-things doesn't work
[01:05] <OculusAquilae> but I don't know about breezy
[01:05] <kmon> I'm talking about dapper
[01:06] <OculusAquilae> openoffice.org-kde doesn't work with amd64 i think
[01:08] <OculusAquilae> I don't think that this is fixed upstream
[01:11] <OculusAquilae> that's the bad thing on OpenOffice.org that it doesn't run natively on amd64
[01:13] <kmon> yes
[01:18] <abattoir_> kmon: Even in 32-bit, If i change the widget style to baghira, only the colour is changed, the icons also are not crystal...
[01:19] <kmon> could you please add your findigs to the bug report?
[01:19] <abattoir_> same happens w/ 64-bit too...
[01:19] <abattoir_> oh ok
[01:20] <abattoir_> to the same one, or should i file a separate one?
[01:20] <kmon> same
[01:23] <kmon> abattoir_: thanks
[01:24] <abattoir_> kmon: no problem :) 
[01:30] <abattoir> kmon: done :) 
[01:30] <abattoir> isnt this what you meant?
[01:31] <kmon> un sec
[01:32] <kmon> s/un/one
[01:33] <kmon> it's that amd64?
[01:33] <kmon> your scrollbars looks like it's using native widgets
[01:33] <abattoir> The processor is... I'm running in 32-bit mode though...
[01:33] <abattoir> same w/ 64-bit too...
[01:33] <abattoir> but the rest of the widget style is not the same...
[01:36] <kmon> I think it's ok in your system...
[01:36] <kmon> look here: http://librarian.launchpad.net/2253816/shot9.png
[01:37] <kmon> the scrollbars are very different
[01:37] <abattoir> Yes, I am looking at it...
[01:37] <kmon> on your box they are using bahira
[01:37] <abattoir> only the scrollbars, but everything else does not use the native widget.... hmmm
[01:37] <abattoir> i guess its another bug then...
[01:39] <abattoir> but arent they similar bugs ;) ?
[01:42] <kmon> I'm not sure
[01:42] <kmon> I think openoffice doesn't use native icons
[01:42] <kmon> only native scrollbars
[01:43] <kmon> and widgets like drop down lists/ combo boxes
[01:43] <abattoir> oops, i guess i jumped the gun then...
[01:43] <kmon> you're asking for something not implemented I think
[01:43] <abattoir> should I (or can I) remove it then?
[01:43] <kmon> mmmm
[01:44] <kmon> if the problem I reported doesn't happen in your amd64 install
[01:44] <kmon> then I imagine it's something wrong with my setup
[01:44] <abattoir> let me check...
[01:44] <kmon> I'll try to see if it happens on a live enviroment
[01:44] <abattoir> brb
[02:02] <pygi> abattoir, why dont you get a client which works? :P
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:03] <Hobbsee> 0.12 beta2 kopete...could be interesting...
[02:03] <abattoir> pygi: why???
[02:03] <pygi> abattoir, because its constantly crashing_ P
[02:03] <pygi> ? :P
[02:03] <abattoir> i rebooted and switched OSes....
[02:03] <abattoir> Kopete Rocks :) 
[02:04] <abattoir> konversation is too plain for my liking... :( 
[02:04] <pygi> :-p
[02:04] <abattoir> what do you use? ;) 
[02:08] <Hobbsee> konv here
[02:08] <Hobbsee> it's got dodgy scripting though :P
[02:08] <pygi> abattoir, something you still cant use :-P
[02:09] <abattoir> pygi: You've made your own IRC client? :) 
[02:09] <abattoir> need to give konversation another try, i guess... probably after my exams...
[02:09] <pygi> abattoir, :P
[02:15] <Hobbsee> abattoir: kubuntu stuff should always be done to avoid exam study/work :P
[02:15] <pygi> lol :)
[02:17] <abattoir> Hobbsee: hehe... dont tempt me... :) 
[02:17] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:18] <abattoir> a couple of weeks, exams get over, then hopefully i'll be working on my SoC project.... hopefully... :) then that would be real fun... :) 
[02:18] <abattoir> why do exams have to exist :'( 
[02:19] <pygi> abattoir, hehe :)
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:35] <abattoir> pygi: that was X crashing... not kopete :P 
[02:39] <abattoir> kmon: sorry for the delay
[02:39] <abattoir> i guess you are right
[02:39] <abattoir> i'll upload a pic first for you to confirm
[02:40] <kmon> I'm finishing downloading the live cd
[02:40] <kmon> to see if it happens
[02:40] <kmon> maybe the problem is on my side, but it's quite strange that this happens on both amd64 machines I have
[02:45] <abattoir> kmon: http://abattoir.4t.com/Images/11.jpg
[02:46] <kmon> ok
[02:46] <kmon> now, that's the same problem I see
[02:46] <kmon> is that your amd64 box?
[02:47] <abattoir> yes
[02:47] <abattoir> should i update the bug report?
[02:47] <kmon> could you please change the attachment
[02:47] <abattoir> ok...
[02:47] <kmon> sure :) and please while doing so, confirm the bug :)
[02:47] <abattoir> could you give me the link pls. :) ?
[02:48] <kmon> http://launchpad.net/bugs/40598
[02:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[02:48] <abattoir> thanks
[02:53] <abattoir> kmon: I clicked on edit, I dont think i'm being allowed to upload a new image...
[02:53] <abattoir> first time i'm using launchpad :( 
[02:55] <kmon> then the best thing to do is to add a new comment saying the other screenshot is incorrect. And upload the new one
[02:55] <abattoir> ok... will do :) 
[02:55] <kmon> thankx
[02:59] <abattoir> bug 40598
[02:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40598
[02:59] <kmon> abattoir: nice
[03:00] <abattoir> kmon: i have a question, if i may....
[03:00] <kmon> sure
[03:00] <abattoir> You have a Turion right?
[03:00] <kmon> let's see if I can answer
[03:00] <kmon> right
[03:00] <abattoir> does Xorg use a lot of CPU?
[03:01] <kmon> nope
[03:01] <abattoir> sometimes it goes upto 92% for 5 mins..
[03:01] <abattoir> temperature shoots up to 76C
[03:01] <kmon> here it's between 1~15%
[03:02] <abattoir> hmmm interesting... what laptop do you have?
[03:02] <kmon> the acer ferrari 4005
[03:02] <abattoir> oh sweet :) 
[03:03] <kmon> nice hw
[03:03] <abattoir> yup :) 
[03:03] <kmon> but I didn't like to pay the extra ferrari + winxp budget
[03:03] <abattoir> i have the aspire 5002... came w/o WinXP....
[03:04] <kmon> but... you only finish your studies once in a livetime so....
[03:04] <kmon> what the hell :)
[03:04] <abattoir> hmmm I wonder why temperature shoots up so much
[03:04] <abattoir> hehe, that's right :) 
[03:04] <abattoir> Turion is supposed to be a cool processor...
[03:04] <abattoir> in terms of temperature... ;) 
[03:04] <abattoir> ok, thanks anyways :) 
[03:05] <kmon> cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[03:05] <kmon> temperature:             45 C
[03:06] <abattoir> what's the max. you have ever noticed?
[03:06] <kmon> I don't remember exactly
[03:06] <kmon> my laptop has a fan
[03:06] <kmon> which is always on
[03:06] <kmon> at slow rev.
[03:07] <kmon> when the cpu get's busy
[03:07] <kmon> it makes more noise
[03:07] <kmon> so when I heard more noise
[03:07] <kmon> I killall process :)
[03:07] <abattoir> heh... unfortunately i cant Kill X
[03:07] <abattoir> very often
[03:07] <kmon> yes U can.
[03:08] <abattoir> 'very often' :)
[03:08] <kmon> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:08] <kmon> ohh
[03:08] <kmon> I see
[03:08] <kmon> well... if it happens too often
[03:08] <kmon> you should file a bug :)
[03:09] <abattoir> heh. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace is faster :)
[03:09] <kmon> abattoir: yes
[03:09] <abattoir> ok, thanks a lot anyways
[03:09] <kmon> :)
[03:18] <pygi> hi Tonio_ 
[03:18] <pygi> congrats on elections :)
[03:19] <raphink> elections?
[03:20] <raphink> yop Tonio_ && pygi
[03:20] <pygi> hm, wasnt he selected as part of Kubuntu board or something?
[03:20] <pygi> you as well?
[03:21] <raphink> he was proposed
[03:21] <raphink> I don't think there was any election done with the kubuntu CC yet
[03:21] <raphink> and the technical board will be appointed in Paris in the end of june
[03:21] <raphink> :)
[03:22] <pygi> ah, oki :P
[03:22] <Riddell> Tonio_, raphink: are you guys happy to be on the kubuntu council?
[03:23] <freeflying> hi all
[03:24] <freeflying> raphink: did you have any works on klik?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> ack, kubuntu council.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> they would be good on the council
[03:25] <Hobbsee> oh, Tonio_ - do you control the kmix settings, with any of your packages?  
[03:25] <Hobbsee> k-d-s, by any chance?
[03:26] <raphink> Riddell: you mean with the fact of having one?
[03:26] <raphink> freeflying: you should ask on #klik
[03:26] <Riddell> raphink: with you being on it
[03:27] <raphink> sure Riddell
[03:27] <freeflying> raphink: I mean package
[03:27] <raphink> freeflying: the klik guys want it in ubuntu and they know what I want as requirements
[03:27] <raphink> there's no kilk package yet freeflying
[03:27] <raphink> when klik has got the features I want, I'll work on a package
[03:27] <raphink> for Edgy
[03:27] <raphink> Hobbsee: k-d-s should do
[03:28] <Hobbsee> right
[03:28] <raphink>  /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kmixrc
[03:28] <Hobbsee> guess i should file a bug for this, hey :P
[03:28] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[03:28] <toma> its still a bit unclear what a council does for me, i read a bit yesterday evening, but did find a clear description
[03:28] <raphink> it only sets it to "Visible=false"
[03:28] <raphink> nothing else
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hmmm...so i see
[03:29] <Riddell> toma: the reason we need it is to approve members
[03:29] <Riddell> toma: and if its useful for taking other decisions that's all good
[03:29] <raphink> there's also a setting for the window size, etc.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> at least from a flight 4 kubuntu install, and then dist-upgraded, the PCM is muted, and set to zero.  therefore, a lot of people with this dont get sound.
[03:30] <raphink> Hobbsee: is this set in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings ?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure where it's set
[03:30] <toma> Riddell: sorry for maybe stupid question, but what is the role of a 'member'
[03:30] <Hobbsee> toma: hehe...when you find that one out, do tell :P
[03:30] <raphink> Hobbsee: well check the two files I showed you
[03:30] <toma> Hobbsee: ;-)
[03:30] <raphink> toma: member is a recognition of your work for Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[03:30] <Riddell> toma: anyone who has made a sustained and substantial contribution to any part of ubuntu
[03:31] <raphink> toma: a member has got an @ubuntu.com address, can bear ubuntu business cards and have an ubuntu vhost on IRC
[03:31] <Hobbsee> raphink: hmm..i dont see them there
[03:31] <Riddell> http://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members  https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers
[03:31] <toma> ok
[03:31] <raphink> Riddell: from what I understood, the members we would appoint are automatically ubuntu members, too?
[03:32] <toma> and what is the difference between kubuntu-members and kubuntu-team?
[03:32] <raphink> Hobbsee: they are :)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:32] <raphink> Hobbsee: aren't you a member yet?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> raphink: i am.  dont know anything about the business card.  (i have the email and the hostmask though)
[03:32] <raphink> Hobbsee: wait
[03:32] <Hobbsee> k
[03:32] <raphink> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards
[03:33] <raphink> then find a company to have them printer ;)
[03:33] <raphink> printed
[03:33] <raphink> I printed mine on the net
[03:34] <freeflying> raphink: how to open the business card file under linux  :)
[03:34] <raphink> get the svg 
[03:34] <toma> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember is also relevant for kubuntu members?
[03:34] <raphink> and open it with inkscape for ex
[03:34] <raphink> yes toma
[03:34] <raphink> that's the idea
[03:35] <Riddell> toma: yes
[03:35] <toma> k, time to read it
[03:35] <freeflying> raphink: thx
[03:35] <Riddell> kubuntu members are just the same as ubuntu members
[03:35] <raphink> storm here
[03:35] <Hobbsee> is toma not a memeber?
[03:35] <raphink> shutting down machines
[03:35] <raphink> ;)
[03:35] <raphink> ++
[03:37] <imbrandon> heya
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon 
[03:37] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[03:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: there arent many dh_iconcache universe packages left :)
[03:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee: he's not, he's our KDE link on the committee
[03:38] <imbrandon> i've found on the forum where alot of people are having the same issue as me with hald ( it seems to only affect those with smbfs in fstab ) but it realy sucks, anyone that works on hald arround ?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah :)
[03:39] <imbrandon> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174445  ^^
[03:39] <freeflying> then toma may be the first one approved by KC  :)
[03:42] <toma> ;-)
[03:42] <toma> how does kubuntu-team fit in this picture?
[03:49] <toma> oki, nobody knows ;-)
[03:49] <Riddell> toma: kubuntu-team is just an informal list of people who work on kubuntu, it's also used to subscribe to KDE bugs
[03:50] <freeflying> Riddell: how often will KC be  :)
[03:51] <Riddell> freeflying: whenever we want I think
[03:51] <toma> Hobbsee: you can subscribe to the kde-bugs ml for a week and try it out ;-)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[03:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: how much work would it be to rewrite exscalibar's build system for auto tools, or a proper qmake system?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> well, i wouldnt be sending it thru my mailbolt account, that's for sure!
[03:51] <toma> Hobbsee: I did run away within days, you must have serious brain damage to keep up with that list
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:52] <Hobbsee> i'm only subscribed to the kdenetwork bugs...
[03:52] <imbrandon> heh
[03:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've no idea
[03:53] <apachelogger> ok :)
[03:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: shouldn't be too much I suppose for anyone who's worked with autotooled libraries before
[03:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: although as I said debian has packages for exscalibar that work fine
[03:53] <apachelogger> yup, but the solution is nasty
[03:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: had a look into it?
[03:53] <freeflying> Riddell: after release, we move on kde-3.5.3 or kde4?
[03:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: I looked at it quickly
[03:54] <Riddell> seemed ok
[03:54] <Riddell> freeflying: 3.5.3
[03:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: works around the build system at most points
[03:54] <pygi> what about that thing with Kubuntu having its own release cycle?
[03:55] <apachelogger> installs stuff it self etc.
[03:55] <toma> freeflying: kde4 will take months 
[03:55] <Riddell> pygi: that won't happen in the near future, soyuz doesn't have the infrastructure and there's no major kde releases
[03:55] <freeflying> toma: will release in Oct?
[03:55] <pygi> Riddell, ah,oki :)
[03:56] <toma> freeflying: it wont be ready by then
[04:00] <pygi> Riddell, btw. once we ship Dapper I will need your help to tell me what new exactly is to happen in edgy, so I could *probably* start some development
[04:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: although this mood bar stuff has been eating my CPU and disk for the last hour
[04:00] <apachelogger> hm
[04:00] <Riddell> pygi: whatever you want :)
[04:00] <toma> freeflying: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html
[04:00] <apachelogger> haven't used it for ages
[04:00] <pygi> Riddell, heh :) thanks in advance :)
[04:00] <freeflying> toma: thx
[04:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: it has to go through all the files and make a coloured mood profile of it.  it's hardly the most useful feature :)
[04:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: hehe ;-) yeah totally about eye candy, we could also provide a feature to make playlists according to mood - to use even more cpu ;-)
[04:00] <bddebian> Hello
[04:00] <freeflying> bddebian: hi
[04:00] <bddebian> Hi freeflying
[04:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: how final is that RC1?
[04:01] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[04:01] <Hobbsee> bddebian: how busy are you today?
[04:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: not a lot, gonna release rc2 in about 2 or 3 hours
[04:02] <apachelogger> iconset has probably to be deactivated by default, gst0.10 configure option has to be commented-out
[04:02] <apachelogger> but everything else would just be bugfixes
[04:05] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon, Hobbsee
[04:05] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Not sure yet.  You need something?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> bddebian: got about 15 uploads to universe...so yeah :P
[04:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:06] <bddebian> Eeks
[04:07] <bddebian> :-)
[04:07] <bddebian> Hobbsee: You have a list / links somewhere?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> bddebian: on my hard drive, so i'll email them to you (dh_iconcache fixes)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hehe...i usually try to send them in blocks of 10 or so...
[04:08] <imbrandon> there are only about 10 left ;)
[04:08] <Hobbsee> yeah, they were usually the ones that i couldnt figure out...
[04:08] <Hobbsee> like kvirc*, which seems to be decidedly painful
[04:09] <Hobbsee> bddebian: bddebian@ubuntu.com i take it?
[04:09] <imbrandon> i'll grab those in a few hobsee ( kvirc* ) , it'll give me somethting to do today
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:11] <Hobbsee> i figure that if i'm chatting, and not doing uni work, then i may as well do dev stuff as well :P
[04:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: btw, good idea to use tab completion
[04:11] <imbrandon> heh yea i do MOST of the time ;)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:12] <imbrandon> lemme grab some breakfast and i'll meet you and bddebian in -motu with kvir* and maybe some others if i get on a roll lol
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hehe okay...
[04:13] <Hobbsee> the rules file is a horrible weird looking thing...
[04:14] <imbrandon> dumb question though , why does your and my name not link to our wiki's ? just wondering ( i need to badly update my wiki today too and launchpad.net page lol maybe a i'll do that after the iconcache's are done )
[04:16] <bddebian> Hobbsee: No, elmo won't fix my @ubuntu.com address :-)
[04:16] <bddebian> Use bddebian@comcast.net
[04:17] <Hobbsee> bddebian: okay, sent
[04:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm not sure...we got mine to link up properly when i went for membership, but i dotn remember how...
[04:19] <imbrandon> hehe np was just wondering 
[04:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:22] <toma> signing code of conduct in malone is broken, it keeps telling me it is not the right text, even when i change nothing and sign it
[04:23] <Riddell> toma: complain on #launchpad
[04:23] <Riddell> although it might be quiet at the weekends
[04:23] <pygi> toma, you have to have gpg key on public server
[04:23] <toma> pygi: i registrered it a few minutes ago on launchpad and should be on public servers for ages
[04:24] <pygi> argh, my key is 33 chars long, and it seems I cant reproduce it from papper :P
[04:25] <pygi> that is passphrase
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ack.  breezy person whining about mounting USB drives in konq - do we know why that's so shockingly supported?
[04:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: always worked for me
[04:29] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[04:29] <Hobbsee> i dont think 3.4.3 was ever terribly well tested :P
[04:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: can I see your patch for knetdockapp?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sure, the one for dh_iconcache?
[04:36] <Riddell> yeah
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/715324
[04:36] <Riddell> I'm wondering if it could be done in cdbs
[04:36] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:36] <Hobbsee> what, the entire package?
[04:37] <Riddell> well that package uses cdbs
[04:37] <Hobbsee> right
[04:37] <Riddell> so, in theory, there should be a way to just add dh_iconthing to cdbs
[04:37] <Riddell> and rebuild all the packages
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah...yes...that's precisely what i did...
[04:38] <Hobbsee> that's what's been happening with a lot of these packages
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/715332 is the debian/rules
[04:38] <Riddell> well you add it in debian/rules, it should be possible to just add it to /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk and be done for everything
[04:39] <Riddell> yes, looks like gnome.mk has it
[04:40] <Hobbsee> ahh....i thought the only way was in debian/rules
[04:41] <Hobbsee> what about the packages build with debhelper then?
[04:41] <Riddell> well a lot of packages use cdbs so most of the work is done with includes
[04:41] <Riddell> anything using debhelper will still need it directly
[04:41] <Hobbsee> right
[04:42] <Hobbsee> any harm in adding it to kde.mk, and leaving it in the already done packages?
[04:42] <Riddell> shouldn't think so
[04:42] <Riddell> fancy having a look at modifying cdbs, it's a complex package but you should be able to just copy what gnome and xfce have done
[04:42] <raphink> Hobbsee: dh_iconcache expert?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:43] <Hobbsee> not sure that i'd have the confidence to do that...
[04:44] <Riddell> no harm in trying
[04:44] <bddebian> Unless it's me.. ;-P
[04:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it'll be kde.mk.in  in the source package I think
[04:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: just copy it from gnome.mk.in or whatever xfce uses
[04:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, i got to that...i think...
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hmmm....
[04:49] <Hobbsee> wish i knew python, or whatever this is, at this point :P
[04:51] <Riddell> it's bash, and really you don't want to know complex bash :)
[04:51] <Riddell> well, it's make mixed with bash
[04:52] <Riddell> which is worse
[04:52] <bddebian> Amen to that
[04:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:53] <Hobbsee> presumably fi is the end of an if loop?
[04:53] <bddebian> yep
[04:54] <Hobbsee> it seems like the dh_iconcache is just this line:
[04:54] <Hobbsee> #
[04:54] <Hobbsee>         if test -x /usr/bin/dh_iconcache; then dh_iconcache -p$(cdbs_curpkg) $(DEB_DH_ICONCACHE_ARGS); fi
[04:54] <Hobbsee> http://pastebin.com/715349
[04:54] <freeflying> Hobbsee: wow, you've uploaded so many  :)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> but i dont know where that condition is supposed to go in the file..
[04:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:54] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i've had lots of time chattign to people, and more ram :P
[04:55] <imbrandon> heh
[04:56] <freeflying> Hobbsee: using dapper or breezy now?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> freeflying: dapper.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> wait...i see...
[04:57] <Hobbsee> i wonder if we need 
[04:57] <Hobbsee> # for dh_iconcache
[04:57] <Hobbsee> CDBS_BUILD_DEPENDS   := $(CDBS_BUILD_DEPENDS), debhelper (>= 5.0.7ubuntu4)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> in there...
[04:58] <raphink> Hobbsee: CDBS_BUILD_DEPENDS is HIGHLY EVIL
[04:58] <Hobbsee> raphink: hehe, right
[04:58] <raphink> and should be removed
[04:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, put that in
[04:58] <raphink> before it causes some harm around ;)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> argh..why cant this thing be in c++?  i can understand the loops in there!
[04:59] <Riddell> although people using cdbs build deps are wrong
[04:59] <Hobbsee> er...
[04:59] <bddebian> OK, either I can't type or krecipies isn't there
[04:59] <Hobbsee> so i'm being told 2 things in 2 lines
[04:59] <Hobbsee> bddebian: no second i :P
[04:59] <bddebian> Ah, just noticed that, thx
[04:59] <Hobbsee> cos i tried that :P
[04:59] <freeflying> raphink: Riddell can I have both breezy and dapper pbuilder under dapper
[05:00] <raphink> sure
[05:00] <raphink> freeflying: i have breezy, dapper & sid pbuilders on my dapper build server
[05:00] <Hobbsee> what's the deal with python nested if loops?
[05:00] <freeflying> raphink: but I can't create breezy's
[05:00] <raphink> freeflying: huh?
[05:01] <raphink> did you follow the howto on the wiki ?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> if it's if, if, endif, if, endif, endif, does that mean the first and last terms are one loop, and there are 2 little loops in the middle?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> er, bash.  whatever it is
[05:01] <Riddell> freeflying: no I don't think you can
[05:01] <Riddell> or at least I never have
[05:01] <Riddell> freeflying: you can make a manual chroot though
[05:01] <raphink> Hobbsee: in bash, there's no endif, there's fi
[05:01] <raphink> ;)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's what i meant...
[05:02] <raphink> Riddell: I have a breezy pbuilder on dapper
[05:02] <raphink> Riddell: I have breezy, dapper and sid pbuilders actually
[05:02] <raphink> on one machine
[05:02] <Hobbsee> raphink: wait...so if there are endif's in the file, that means it's in python?  or what?
[05:02] <raphink> with scripts to deal with them all
[05:02] <Hobbsee> whatever it is, it's not c++!
[05:02] <raphink> Hobbsee: python doesn't use endif
[05:02] <raphink> there's no need for it
[05:03] <Hobbsee> right...so endif in these files actually means?
[05:03] <raphink> as python uses layout as syntax marks
[05:03] <Hobbsee> ah, gotcha
[05:03] <freeflying> raphink: aptitude: Depends: libsigc++-1.2-5c2 but it is not installed --< error when create breezy's
[05:03] <raphink> freeflying: how did you do that?
[05:03] <raphink> what did you run?
[05:04] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[05:04] <raphink> I should add a section on multiple pbuilderes
[05:04] <raphink> I thought I had
[05:05] <freeflying> raphink: I'm configure it in my home dir, and configure it for breezy and dapper seperately
[05:05] <raphink> freeflying: I don't understand what you mean
[05:05] <raphink> what _command_ did you run to create the pbuilder, and where do you host each?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> odd, the kde.mk doesnt have a section on dh_desktop, while gnome and xfce do...
[05:06] <Hobbsee> hehe thanks raphink :)
[05:06] <raphink> Hobbsee: about what?
[05:06] <freeflying> raphink:  I create my own scripts 
[05:07] <raphink> as you wish freeflying :p
[05:07] <raphink> there are scripts that just work though ;)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> raphink: about the multiple pbuilder sections being written.
[05:07] <raphink> got them from revu
[05:07] <raphink> oh ok
[05:07] <bddebian> Hobbsee: OK,they are all up, watch for them:-)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> bddebian: cool, thanks
[05:07] <bddebian> no, thank YOU :-)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hmmm...xfce just added the dh_desktop section as well...do we want to add that?
[05:08] <freeflying> raphink:  /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh --<Iuse this one as temp
[05:08] <Hobbsee> bddebian: heh...seems like a whole lot of it could have been done simpler though :P
[05:08] <raphink> ah I don't know this
[05:08] <raphink> ah yes that's what I use freeflying
[05:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: any idea what it does?
[05:08] <raphink> and it works great here if it's well configured
[05:09] <bddebian> OK, showever time, later folks
[05:09] <freeflying> raphink: but dapper's works fine, but not  the breezy's
[05:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: 	if test -x /usr/bin/dh_desktop; then dh_desktop -p$(cdbs_curpkg) $(DEB_DH_DESKTOP_ARGS); fi
[05:09] <Hobbsee> is what it does :P
[05:09] <Hobbsee> what does dh_desktop actually do?  install the desktop file, or something?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah yep, i think we want it.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2004/09/msg00130.html
[05:16] <pef> can someone take care of kvpnc package ? It just needs a sync from Debian, newer version contains only bugfixes
[05:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: nah, KDE doesn't need that
[05:16] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[05:16] <Riddell> kbuildsycoca knows when it needs to run
[05:16] <freeflying> pef: any bugs?
[05:17] <pef> freeflying: i've roughly tested it with openvpn, running fine.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[05:18] <freeflying> pef: I mean the one in dapper now?
[05:18] <Hobbsee> i was about to ask that
[05:18] <pef> I just want it to be in Dapper, because I'm leaving computers for a while :)
[05:20] <raphink> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto is that clear?
[05:20] <pef> Hobbsee: the one in Dapper right now run fine, but the version in Debian is newer, and contains many bugfixes (new upstream version)
[05:21] <Hobbsee> pef: heh, i suspect that i just did a fix on that one...
[05:22] <freeflying> pef: you can ask for UVFe, and tell that it can fix a bundle bugs, maybe this will help
[05:22] <raphink> Tonio_: j'espre bien que a va le rsoudre le problme ;)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> raphink: looks good to me...as long as copy pasting the script works
[05:23] <raphink> hehe
[05:23] <raphink> Hobbsee: my script is a bit more complete still
[05:23] <raphink> as I include a script of mine to build a local repository for each build :)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you want the patch emailed to you, or pastebin it?
[05:29] <Riddell> pastebin it good
[05:30] <freeflying> raphink: I just do like what you have written, but fails on breezy's
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/715414
[05:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: tested that it works? :)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it built, i hadnt tried to test it...
[05:34] <Hobbsee> didnt exactly know how...
[05:34] <Hobbsee> hang on...if the brain is in gear, it must be pretty simple to test...
[05:35] <raphink> malone 44548
[05:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44548 in kdebase "Problems with accentuated characters in man pages" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44548
[05:39] <apachelogger> is there a howto to package cmake using applications?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: keep wondering :P
[05:41] <raphink> ajmitch_: wonder the same ;)
[05:41] <raphink> loooooooooooool
[05:42] <imbrandon> ROFL
[05:42] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: but you love the early morning starts! :)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:43] <Hobbsee> yes, that's why it's almost 2am, and i'm still up, and i have wokr in the morning
[05:44] <ajmitch_> heh
[05:44] <Hobbsee> (crud)
[05:44] <ajmitch_> nearly 4AM here :)
[05:44] <Hobbsee> i'm trying not to think of that hehe
[05:44] <Hobbsee> yes, so i figured...crazy person :P
[05:44] <ajmitch_> not my fault
[05:46] <Hobbsee> do you people seriously think that i'd be okay as a MOTU, and wouldnt break everything?
[05:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if you manage to update cdbs without breaking anything, you'd do fine as MOTU
[05:47] <ajmitch_> it's the overconfident ones I worry about
[05:47] <Hobbsee> hmmm....
[05:48] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:48] <freeflying> Hobbsee:  ++
[05:48] <Hobbsee> i guess that if my manager eats me, then i wont need to go for MOTU after all :P
[05:53] <freeflying> Hobbsee: crazy, you've uploaded about 20 this day  :)
[05:54] <Hobbsee> freeflying: the count was 15, i think
[05:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:54] <Hobbsee> yes, because you're oh so old and decrepit :P
[05:55] <ajmitch_> yes :P
[05:55] <ajmitch_> thanks so much
[05:56] <Hobbsee> anytime :P
[05:57] <Hobbsee> freeflying: well, 15 were the ones i sent to bddebian, dont know if anyone else delayed, and uploaded any today...
[05:58] <freeflying> Hobbsee: heh
[06:00] <Hobbsee> freeflying: you know, it's not that hard - when you run 2-3 builds, one after another - they do get done pretty quickly...
[06:00] <Hobbsee> extra ram helps, too :P
[06:01] <freeflying> Hobbsee: i'm lack of hdd space and ram  :)
[06:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:01] <Hobbsee> freeflying: how much ram?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:02] <freeflying> Hobbsee: 512M
[06:02] <Hobbsee>  /dev/hda3     ext3     15G  2.1G   12G  15% /home <-- where i build
[06:02] <Hobbsee> ah yes, it helps having more than that...
[06:02] <freeflying> Hobbsee: used space so little  
[06:02] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:03] <freeflying> /dev/sda9             15590560   6503424   9087136  42% /home
[06:03] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: my build machine http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/cpu-z.html
[06:03] <freeflying> /home                 15590560   6503424   9087136  42% /var/chroot/home
[06:03] <imbrandon> freeflying: df -h ;)
[06:04] <freeflying> /dev/sda9              15G  6.3G  8.7G  42% /home
[06:04] <freeflying> /home                  15G  6.3G  8.7G  42% /var/chroot/home
[06:04] <imbrandon> bddebian: you arround ?
[06:05] <imbrandon> gnight Hobbsee
[06:05] <Hobbsee> well...i should be, anyway...
[06:05] <imbrandon> hehe its only 11am here ;)
[06:05] <Hobbsee> er, where's my phone?
[06:07] <Hobbsee> ah, found it :D
[06:07] <imbrandon> /dev/sda3              54G  2.4G   49G   5% /
[06:07] <imbrandon> /dev/sda2              94G   47G   47G  51% /media/sda2
[06:07] <imbrandon> no seperate /home
[06:07] <imbrandon> ;(
[06:07] <Hobbsee> silly!  why not?
[06:08] <imbrandon> this is just a dump box, i reload it atleaste once a week
[06:08] <imbrandon> only use it for dev/testing
[06:08] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:08] <imbrandon> i keep everything i need to "keep" on /dev/sda2
[06:09] <imbrandon>  /dev/sda2 is my main kubuntu install
[06:09] <Hobbsee> okay, now i'm really going to bed!
[06:09] <imbrandon> heh sleep well Hobbsee
[08:43] <Sime> Riddell: guidance 0.6.7 is out ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ )
[08:48] <Riddell> Sime: cool
[08:48] <Riddell> Sime: poke me if I've not handled it by tomorrow
[11:16] <mushroom> :)
[11:17] <pygi> mushroom, ? :)
[11:17] <mushroom> :)
[11:18] <pygi> gah, why dont you go eat mushrooms :P
[11:19] <mushroom> ja ja 
[11:19] <bddebian> Because they are a fungus? :-)
[11:20] <mushroom> ok
[11:22] <mushroom> so where they are?
[11:43] <raphink> I don't understand this iconcache thingy
[11:43] <raphink> if it was added to gnome.mk
[11:43] <raphink> why don't we add it to kde.mk instead of patching all kde apps ?
[11:44] <pygi> raphink, you will have to bug Riddell with that question :P
[11:44] <raphink> pygi: why so?
[11:45] <pygi> or someone who is more into that thing then me, to respond :)
[11:45] <raphink> pygi: then I can figure out myself maybe
[11:45] <raphink> ;)
[11:45] <pygi> ;)
[11:51] <bddebian> Riddell had Hobbsee looking at that this morning
[11:52] <raphink> right