=== neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] Sime: are you a Soc mentor? and do you want a student working on guidance? [12:34] sebas too === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:05] morning all === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-224-132.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:16] Howdy folks [03:16] hey bddebian [03:16] Hello robotgeek [03:17] hi bddebian and robotgeek [03:17] Hi Hobbsee_away [03:17] hey bddebian, nice hurd works :) [03:17] robotgeek: ? :-) [03:18] http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/ [03:19] what package controls kmixrc? [03:20] anyways, back to polishing up my C [03:25] robotgeek: Ah :-) === Hobbsee_away tests out the printers [03:25] bddebian: so where's bddebianisagod.com? [03:25] Grrr :-) [03:25] ;-) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@80.33.64.8] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-66-150.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:29] Riddell: no, I'm not a mentor. Do you have a good project proposal for guidance? === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD9509F9C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-196-44.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:30] about bug #37131 [10:30] Malone bug 37131 in kdebase "can't play dvd's with kaffeine using the kde window for removable devices" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37131 [10:30] is anybody backporting the patch in kaffeine 0.8.1 ? [10:35] s/in/of === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:17] hi Hobbsee [11:18] hi pygi [11:18] how are you? :) [11:18] pretty tired, i just got home from work... [11:19] argh :-/ === ubijtsa_ [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-66-150.singnet.com.sg] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-66-150.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee has managed to fix her thunderbird - yay :D [11:43] congrats Hobbsee [11:44] :) [11:44] if only the sound were that easy... [11:46] Sime: kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/soc.text I thought that one was interesting [11:46] but it needs more votes to get in === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:48] hi Riddell [11:48] Sime: sign up if you want http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_home.html and poke thiago to approve it [11:48] morning Hobbsee [11:48] Riddell, hm, we cant get anymore applications in if he hasnt applied === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:49] pygi: that's right [11:49] Riddell: new langpacks are here, but the issue is still here with french... [11:49] hi everyone :) [11:49] Riddell, hm, so whats up with that application_ [11:49] ? [11:49] Riddell: I assume there are a few others that still don't work too [11:49] Tonio_: I know, now I've fixed the problem for real, but we need to wait on new language packs again :) [11:50] pygi: I want Sime to look it over [11:50] Riddell: hehe, is pitti aware of this ? [11:50] Riddell, ah,oki [11:50] Tonio_: yes [11:50] new kdelibs should merge the .pot files for real [11:51] yes I saw an update yesterday evening [11:53] Riddell: I saw you uploaded kdebase and kds with my changes [11:53] Riddell: what about kde-systemsettings ? [11:53] Tonio_: I uploaded that too === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@bb220-255-87-176.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:53] or at least I should have done [11:54] yes, I have kde-systemsettings_0.0svn20060512-0ubuntu1_source.upload [11:54] oups sorry I was waiting for the 0ubuntu2 version ;) [11:54] great [11:55] Riddell: when are we looking at testing kubuntu cds? your wednesday, or something? [11:55] I put everything upstream and took a new version [11:56] Hobbsee: yes, it'll probably be wednesday [11:56] for flight 8 [11:56] Riddell: okay [11:56] testing anytime welcome too [11:56] hehe [11:56] Riddell: do we expect them to work? [11:56] sure [11:56] right === Hobbsee looks at the date [11:57] hmm...dad would not be happy [11:58] need to wait for your bandwidth allowance to come round? [11:58] remember you can use rsync if you have a recent iso === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:59] Riddell: QTParted occupies only a small corner in the Ubiquity partitioning dialog... [11:59] is this a known issue? [11:59] abattoir_: yes, I've fixed it in my repository [11:59] you can resize the window [12:00] Riddell: in ubiquity huh? ok [12:00] Riddell: good point...i've only got a flight 4, burnt to a cd.. [12:00] i dont have the original ISO still... [12:00] Hobbsee: probably notmuch point rsyncing an iso that old [12:01] the 10gb has got to last till the end of the month, or the phone doesnt work very well, and mum whinges and whines as a result :P [12:01] aren't there CD mirrors inside .au? [12:01] yeah, makes no difference where i get it from [12:01] unless i get it from my ISP's site [12:01] how can they stop your phone usage? [12:04] Tonio_: see pitti's post to ubuntu-devel-announce about daily packagges [12:04] evening [12:04] Riddell: I'm just checking my emails [12:05] Riddell: about bug #37131, have you got a fix for that or shall I sent you mine? [12:05] Malone bug 37131 in kdebase "can't play dvd's with kaffeine using the kde window for removable devices" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37131 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:07] Riddell: the connection gets shaped to 56K or something if you go over 10gb [12:07] it's really stupid [12:11] what program would be effecting my keyboard settings, and locking the keyboard up at random? [12:11] it unlocks again after logging out of kde... [12:12] OculusAquilae: worked for me last time I tried [12:13] Riddell: not with 0.7.1 on my testing computer [12:13] updated today === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.19] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:20] Riddell: I'll try again and send you my backported patch, if it doesn't work [12:21] sure [12:21] ok, it doesn't work there [12:40] Riddell: ok here is the patch: http://oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu/kaffeine/kubuntu_07_system_media.diff [12:41] Riddell: here, some of the other patches for kaffeine don't apply [12:41] Riddell: could you check that? === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:46] OculusAquilae: thanks, I'll look into it [12:46] Riddell: shall I close? [12:47] no, I've not uploaded it yet [12:47] k === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:00] anyone here with amd64 can confirm bug 40598? [01:00] Malone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40598 [01:05] kmon: in breezy that was normal because openoffice runs on amd64 in 32-bit mode. so the kde-things doesn't work [01:05] but I don't know about breezy [01:05] I'm talking about dapper [01:06] openoffice.org-kde doesn't work with amd64 i think === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@Q7619.q.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:08] I don't think that this is fixed upstream [01:11] that's the bad thing on OpenOffice.org that it doesn't run natively on amd64 [01:13] yes === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-196-44.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:18] kmon: Even in 32-bit, If i change the widget style to baghira, only the colour is changed, the icons also are not crystal... [01:19] could you please add your findigs to the bug report? [01:19] same happens w/ 64-bit too... [01:19] oh ok [01:20] to the same one, or should i file a separate one? [01:20] same [01:23] abattoir_: thanks [01:24] kmon: no problem :) === abattoir_ is now known as abattoir [01:30] kmon: done :) [01:30] isnt this what you meant? [01:31] un sec [01:32] s/un/one === ubijtsa [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:33] it's that amd64? [01:33] your scrollbars looks like it's using native widgets [01:33] The processor is... I'm running in 32-bit mode though... [01:33] same w/ 64-bit too... [01:33] but the rest of the widget style is not the same... [01:36] I think it's ok in your system... [01:36] look here: http://librarian.launchpad.net/2253816/shot9.png [01:37] the scrollbars are very different [01:37] Yes, I am looking at it... [01:37] on your box they are using bahira [01:37] only the scrollbars, but everything else does not use the native widget.... hmmm [01:37] i guess its another bug then... [01:39] but arent they similar bugs ;) ? [01:42] I'm not sure [01:42] I think openoffice doesn't use native icons [01:42] only native scrollbars [01:43] and widgets like drop down lists/ combo boxes [01:43] oops, i guess i jumped the gun then... [01:43] you're asking for something not implemented I think [01:43] should I (or can I) remove it then? [01:43] mmmm [01:44] if the problem I reported doesn't happen in your amd64 install [01:44] then I imagine it's something wrong with my setup [01:44] let me check... [01:44] I'll try to see if it happens on a live enviroment [01:44] brb === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-87-176.singnet.com.sg] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-87-176.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-87-176.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:02] abattoir, why dont you get a client which works? :P [02:02] hehe [02:03] 0.12 beta2 kopete...could be interesting... [02:03] pygi: why??? [02:03] abattoir, because its constantly crashing_ P [02:03] ? :P [02:03] i rebooted and switched OSes.... [02:03] Kopete Rocks :) [02:04] konversation is too plain for my liking... :( [02:04] :-p [02:04] what do you use? ;) [02:08] konv here [02:08] it's got dodgy scripting though :P [02:08] abattoir, something you still cant use :-P [02:09] pygi: You've made your own IRC client? :) [02:09] need to give konversation another try, i guess... probably after my exams... [02:09] abattoir, :P [02:15] abattoir: kubuntu stuff should always be done to avoid exam study/work :P [02:15] lol :) === Hobbsee points towards her assignments which arent being done [02:17] Hobbsee: hehe... dont tempt me... :) [02:17] :P [02:18] a couple of weeks, exams get over, then hopefully i'll be working on my SoC project.... hopefully... :) then that would be real fun... :) [02:18] why do exams have to exist :'( [02:19] abattoir, hehe :) [02:20] hehe === My8os [n=My8os@ppp122-131.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-87-176.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:35] pygi: that was X crashing... not kopete :P === verwilst [n=verwilst@d54C1E11B.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:39] kmon: sorry for the delay [02:39] i guess you are right [02:39] i'll upload a pic first for you to confirm [02:40] I'm finishing downloading the live cd [02:40] to see if it happens [02:40] maybe the problem is on my side, but it's quite strange that this happens on both amd64 machines I have [02:45] kmon: http://abattoir.4t.com/Images/11.jpg [02:46] ok [02:46] now, that's the same problem I see [02:46] is that your amd64 box? [02:47] yes [02:47] should i update the bug report? [02:47] could you please change the attachment [02:47] ok... [02:47] sure :) and please while doing so, confirm the bug :) [02:47] could you give me the link pls. :) ? [02:48] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40598 [02:48] Malone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [02:48] thanks === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:53] kmon: I clicked on edit, I dont think i'm being allowed to upload a new image... [02:53] first time i'm using launchpad :( [02:55] then the best thing to do is to add a new comment saying the other screenshot is incorrect. And upload the new one [02:55] ok... will do :) [02:55] thankx [02:59] bug 40598 [02:59] Malone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40598 [02:59] abattoir: nice [03:00] kmon: i have a question, if i may.... [03:00] sure [03:00] You have a Turion right? [03:00] let's see if I can answer [03:00] right [03:00] does Xorg use a lot of CPU? [03:01] nope [03:01] sometimes it goes upto 92% for 5 mins.. [03:01] temperature shoots up to 76C [03:01] here it's between 1~15% [03:02] hmmm interesting... what laptop do you have? [03:02] the acer ferrari 4005 [03:02] oh sweet :) [03:03] nice hw [03:03] yup :) [03:03] but I didn't like to pay the extra ferrari + winxp budget [03:03] i have the aspire 5002... came w/o WinXP.... [03:04] but... you only finish your studies once in a livetime so.... [03:04] what the hell :) [03:04] hmmm I wonder why temperature shoots up so much [03:04] hehe, that's right :) [03:04] Turion is supposed to be a cool processor... [03:04] in terms of temperature... ;) [03:04] ok, thanks anyways :) [03:05] cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature [03:05] temperature: 45 C [03:06] what's the max. you have ever noticed? [03:06] I don't remember exactly [03:06] my laptop has a fan [03:06] which is always on [03:06] at slow rev. [03:07] when the cpu get's busy [03:07] it makes more noise [03:07] so when I heard more noise [03:07] I killall process :) [03:07] heh... unfortunately i cant Kill X [03:07] very often [03:07] yes U can. [03:08] 'very often' :) [03:08] sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart [03:08] ohh [03:08] I see [03:08] well... if it happens too often [03:08] you should file a bug :) [03:09] heh. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace is faster :) [03:09] abattoir: yes [03:09] ok, thanks a lot anyways [03:09] :) === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-246-137.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:18] hi Tonio_ [03:18] congrats on elections :) [03:19] elections? [03:20] yop Tonio_ && pygi [03:20] hm, wasnt he selected as part of Kubuntu board or something? [03:20] you as well? [03:21] he was proposed [03:21] I don't think there was any election done with the kubuntu CC yet [03:21] and the technical board will be appointed in Paris in the end of june [03:21] :) [03:22] ah, oki :P [03:22] Tonio_, raphink: are you guys happy to be on the kubuntu council? [03:23] hi all [03:24] raphink: did you have any works on klik? [03:24] ack, kubuntu council. [03:25] they would be good on the council [03:25] oh, Tonio_ - do you control the kmix settings, with any of your packages? [03:25] k-d-s, by any chance? [03:26] Riddell: you mean with the fact of having one? [03:26] freeflying: you should ask on #klik [03:26] raphink: with you being on it [03:27] sure Riddell [03:27] raphink: I mean package [03:27] freeflying: the klik guys want it in ubuntu and they know what I want as requirements [03:27] there's no kilk package yet freeflying [03:27] when klik has got the features I want, I'll work on a package [03:27] for Edgy [03:27] Hobbsee: k-d-s should do [03:28] right [03:28] /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kmixrc [03:28] guess i should file a bug for this, hey :P [03:28] gotcha [03:28] its still a bit unclear what a council does for me, i read a bit yesterday evening, but did find a clear description [03:28] it only sets it to "Visible=false" [03:28] nothing else [03:29] hmmm...so i see [03:29] toma: the reason we need it is to approve members [03:29] toma: and if its useful for taking other decisions that's all good [03:29] there's also a setting for the window size, etc. [03:29] at least from a flight 4 kubuntu install, and then dist-upgraded, the PCM is muted, and set to zero. therefore, a lot of people with this dont get sound. [03:30] Hobbsee: is this set in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings ? [03:30] i'm not sure where it's set [03:30] Riddell: sorry for maybe stupid question, but what is the role of a 'member' [03:30] toma: hehe...when you find that one out, do tell :P [03:30] Hobbsee: well check the two files I showed you [03:30] Hobbsee: ;-) [03:30] toma: member is a recognition of your work for Ubuntu/Kubuntu [03:30] toma: anyone who has made a sustained and substantial contribution to any part of ubuntu [03:31] toma: a member has got an @ubuntu.com address, can bear ubuntu business cards and have an ubuntu vhost on IRC [03:31] raphink: hmm..i dont see them there [03:31] http://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers [03:31] ok === Hobbsee thinks those ubuntu business cards would be pretty cool :P [03:31] Riddell: from what I understood, the members we would appoint are automatically ubuntu members, too? === Hobbsee doesnt have any business cards for anything :P [03:32] and what is the difference between kubuntu-members and kubuntu-team? [03:32] Hobbsee: they are :) === Hobbsee want! [03:32] :P [03:32] Hobbsee: aren't you a member yet? [03:32] raphink: i am. dont know anything about the business card. (i have the email and the hostmask though) [03:32] Hobbsee: wait [03:32] k [03:32] Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards [03:33] then find a company to have them printer ;) [03:33] printed [03:33] I printed mine on the net [03:34] raphink: how to open the business card file under linux :) [03:34] get the svg [03:34] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember is also relevant for kubuntu members? [03:34] and open it with inkscape for ex [03:34] yes toma [03:34] that's the idea [03:35] toma: yes [03:35] k, time to read it [03:35] raphink: thx [03:35] kubuntu members are just the same as ubuntu members [03:35] storm here [03:35] is toma not a memeber? [03:35] shutting down machines [03:35] ;) [03:35] ++ === toma is just a login atm === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:37] heya [03:37] hi imbrandon [03:37] heya Hobbsee [03:38] imbrandon: there arent many dh_iconcache universe packages left :) [03:38] Hobbsee: he's not, he's our KDE link on the committee === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-010-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:38] i've found on the forum where alot of people are having the same issue as me with hald ( it seems to only affect those with smbfs in fstab ) but it realy sucks, anyone that works on hald arround ? [03:38] Riddell: ah :) [03:39] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174445 ^^ [03:39] then toma may be the first one approved by KC :) [03:42] ;-) [03:42] how does kubuntu-team fit in this picture? [03:49] oki, nobody knows ;-) [03:49] toma: kubuntu-team is just an informal list of people who work on kubuntu, it's also used to subscribe to KDE bugs === Hobbsee couldnt imagine subscribing to all of kde bugs :P [03:50] Riddell: how often will KC be :) [03:51] freeflying: whenever we want I think [03:51] Hobbsee: you can subscribe to the kde-bugs ml for a week and try it out ;-) [03:51] hehe! [03:51] Riddell: how much work would it be to rewrite exscalibar's build system for auto tools, or a proper qmake system? [03:51] well, i wouldnt be sending it thru my mailbolt account, that's for sure! [03:51] Hobbsee: I did run away within days, you must have serious brain damage to keep up with that list [03:52] hehe [03:52] i'm only subscribed to the kdenetwork bugs... [03:52] heh [03:53] apachelogger: I've no idea [03:53] ok :) [03:53] apachelogger: shouldn't be too much I suppose for anyone who's worked with autotooled libraries before [03:53] apachelogger: although as I said debian has packages for exscalibar that work fine [03:53] yup, but the solution is nasty [03:53] Riddell: had a look into it? [03:53] Riddell: after release, we move on kde-3.5.3 or kde4? [03:54] apachelogger: I looked at it quickly [03:54] seemed ok [03:54] freeflying: 3.5.3 [03:54] Riddell: works around the build system at most points [03:54] what about that thing with Kubuntu having its own release cycle? [03:55] installs stuff it self etc. [03:55] freeflying: kde4 will take months [03:55] pygi: that won't happen in the near future, soyuz doesn't have the infrastructure and there's no major kde releases [03:55] toma: will release in Oct? [03:55] Riddell, ah,oki :) [03:56] freeflying: it wont be ready by then [04:00] Riddell, btw. once we ship Dapper I will need your help to tell me what new exactly is to happen in edgy, so I could *probably* start some development [04:00] apachelogger: although this mood bar stuff has been eating my CPU and disk for the last hour [04:00] hm [04:00] pygi: whatever you want :) [04:00] freeflying: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html [04:00] haven't used it for ages [04:00] Riddell, heh :) thanks in advance :) [04:00] toma: thx [04:00] apachelogger: it has to go through all the files and make a coloured mood profile of it. it's hardly the most useful feature :) [04:00] Riddell: hehe ;-) yeah totally about eye candy, we could also provide a feature to make playlists according to mood - to use even more cpu ;-) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:00] Hello [04:00] bddebian: hi [04:00] Hi freeflying [04:01] apachelogger: how final is that RC1? [04:01] heya bddebian [04:01] bddebian: how busy are you today? [04:01] Riddell: not a lot, gonna release rc2 in about 2 or 3 hours [04:02] iconset has probably to be deactivated by default, gst0.10 configure option has to be commented-out [04:02] but everything else would just be bugfixes === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:05] Hi imbrandon, Hobbsee [04:05] Hobbsee: Not sure yet. You need something? [04:05] bddebian: got about 15 uploads to universe...so yeah :P [04:06] ;) [04:06] Eeks === bddebian runs away [04:07] :-) [04:07] Hobbsee: You have a list / links somewhere? [04:07] bddebian: on my hard drive, so i'll email them to you (dh_iconcache fixes) [04:07] hehe...i usually try to send them in blocks of 10 or so... [04:08] there are only about 10 left ;) [04:08] yeah, they were usually the ones that i couldnt figure out... [04:08] like kvirc*, which seems to be decidedly painful [04:09] bddebian: bddebian@ubuntu.com i take it? [04:09] i'll grab those in a few hobsee ( kvirc* ) , it'll give me somethting to do today [04:10] hehe [04:11] i figure that if i'm chatting, and not doing uni work, then i may as well do dev stuff as well :P [04:11] imbrandon: btw, good idea to use tab completion [04:11] heh yea i do MOST of the time ;) [04:11] :P === Hobbsee always does - she types too much not to use shortcuts! [04:12] lemme grab some breakfast and i'll meet you and bddebian in -motu with kvir* and maybe some others if i get on a roll lol [04:12] hehe okay... [04:13] the rules file is a horrible weird looking thing... [04:14] dumb question though , why does your and my name not link to our wiki's ? just wondering ( i need to badly update my wiki today too and launchpad.net page lol maybe a i'll do that after the iconcache's are done ) [04:16] Hobbsee: No, elmo won't fix my @ubuntu.com address :-) [04:16] Use bddebian@comcast.net [04:17] bddebian: okay, sent [04:17] imbrandon: i'm not sure...we got mine to link up properly when i went for membership, but i dotn remember how... [04:19] hehe np was just wondering === Hobbsee figures that most people will know who hobbsee is, by hanging around IRC for long enough. and if not, they probably dont need to know :P [04:19] ;) [04:22] signing code of conduct in malone is broken, it keeps telling me it is not the right text, even when i change nothing and sign it [04:23] toma: complain on #launchpad [04:23] although it might be quiet at the weekends [04:23] toma, you have to have gpg key on public server [04:23] pygi: i registrered it a few minutes ago on launchpad and should be on public servers for ages [04:24] argh, my key is 33 chars long, and it seems I cant reproduce it from papper :P [04:25] that is passphrase [04:28] ack. breezy person whining about mounting USB drives in konq - do we know why that's so shockingly supported? [04:29] Hobbsee: always worked for me [04:29] hmmm [04:29] i dont think 3.4.3 was ever terribly well tested :P === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:35] Hobbsee: can I see your patch for knetdockapp? [04:35] Riddell: sure, the one for dh_iconcache? [04:36] yeah === Hobbsee resists the temptation to ask why [04:36] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/715324 [04:36] I'm wondering if it could be done in cdbs [04:36] ah [04:36] what, the entire package? [04:37] well that package uses cdbs [04:37] right [04:37] so, in theory, there should be a way to just add dh_iconthing to cdbs [04:37] and rebuild all the packages [04:37] Riddell: ah...yes...that's precisely what i did... [04:38] that's what's been happening with a lot of these packages [04:38] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/715332 is the debian/rules [04:38] well you add it in debian/rules, it should be possible to just add it to /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk and be done for everything === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:39] yes, looks like gnome.mk has it [04:40] ahh....i thought the only way was in debian/rules [04:41] what about the packages build with debhelper then? [04:41] well a lot of packages use cdbs so most of the work is done with includes [04:41] anything using debhelper will still need it directly [04:41] right [04:42] any harm in adding it to kde.mk, and leaving it in the already done packages? [04:42] shouldn't think so [04:42] fancy having a look at modifying cdbs, it's a complex package but you should be able to just copy what gnome and xfce have done [04:42] Hobbsee: dh_iconcache expert? [04:42] heh [04:43] not sure that i'd have the confidence to do that... [04:44] no harm in trying [04:44] Unless it's me.. ;-P [04:46] hehe === Hobbsee wonders about where you'd put it, in kde.mk === Hobbsee searches for examples :P [04:48] Hobbsee: it'll be kde.mk.in in the source package I think [04:48] Hobbsee: just copy it from gnome.mk.in or whatever xfce uses [04:48] yeah, i got to that...i think... [04:49] hmmm.... [04:49] wish i knew python, or whatever this is, at this point :P [04:51] it's bash, and really you don't want to know complex bash :) [04:51] well, it's make mixed with bash [04:52] which is worse [04:52] Amen to that [04:53] hehe [04:53] presumably fi is the end of an if loop? [04:53] yep [04:54] it seems like the dh_iconcache is just this line: [04:54] # [04:54] if test -x /usr/bin/dh_iconcache; then dh_iconcache -p$(cdbs_curpkg) $(DEB_DH_ICONCACHE_ARGS); fi [04:54] http://pastebin.com/715349 [04:54] Hobbsee: wow, you've uploaded so many :) [04:54] but i dont know where that condition is supposed to go in the file.. [04:54] hehe [04:54] freeflying: i've had lots of time chattign to people, and more ram :P [04:55] heh [04:56] Hobbsee: using dapper or breezy now? [04:56] freeflying: dapper. [04:56] wait...i see... [04:57] i wonder if we need [04:57] # for dh_iconcache [04:57] CDBS_BUILD_DEPENDS := $(CDBS_BUILD_DEPENDS), debhelper (>= 5.0.7ubuntu4) [04:57] in there... === freeflying wonder why can't I have both breezy and dapper pbuilder on box [04:58] Hobbsee: CDBS_BUILD_DEPENDS is HIGHLY EVIL [04:58] raphink: hehe, right [04:58] and should be removed [04:58] Hobbsee: yes, put that in [04:58] before it causes some harm around ;) [04:59] argh..why cant this thing be in c++? i can understand the loops in there! [04:59] although people using cdbs build deps are wrong === raphink has experienced problems with CDBS_BUILD_DEPENDS :( [04:59] er... [04:59] OK, either I can't type or krecipies isn't there [04:59] so i'm being told 2 things in 2 lines [04:59] bddebian: no second i :P [04:59] Ah, just noticed that, thx [04:59] cos i tried that :P [04:59] raphink: Riddell can I have both breezy and dapper pbuilder under dapper [05:00] sure [05:00] freeflying: i have breezy, dapper & sid pbuilders on my dapper build server [05:00] what's the deal with python nested if loops? [05:00] raphink: but I can't create breezy's [05:00] freeflying: huh? [05:01] did you follow the howto on the wiki ? [05:01] if it's if, if, endif, if, endif, endif, does that mean the first and last terms are one loop, and there are 2 little loops in the middle? [05:01] er, bash. whatever it is [05:01] freeflying: no I don't think you can [05:01] or at least I never have [05:01] freeflying: you can make a manual chroot though [05:01] Hobbsee: in bash, there's no endif, there's fi [05:01] ;) [05:02] yeah, that's what i meant... [05:02] Riddell: I have a breezy pbuilder on dapper [05:02] Riddell: I have breezy, dapper and sid pbuilders actually [05:02] on one machine [05:02] raphink: wait...so if there are endif's in the file, that means it's in python? or what? [05:02] with scripts to deal with them all [05:02] whatever it is, it's not c++! [05:02] Hobbsee: python doesn't use endif [05:02] there's no need for it [05:03] right...so endif in these files actually means? [05:03] as python uses layout as syntax marks [05:03] ah, gotcha [05:03] raphink: aptitude: Depends: libsigc++-1.2-5c2 but it is not installed --< error when create breezy's [05:03] freeflying: how did you do that? [05:03] what did you run? [05:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto === OdyX [n=Didier@80.33.64.8] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:04] I should add a section on multiple pbuilderes [05:04] I thought I had [05:05] raphink: I'm configure it in my home dir, and configure it for breezy and dapper seperately [05:05] freeflying: I don't understand what you mean [05:05] what _command_ did you run to create the pbuilder, and where do you host each? === raphink is gonna write a multiple pbuilder section now [05:06] odd, the kde.mk doesnt have a section on dh_desktop, while gnome and xfce do... [05:06] hehe thanks raphink :) [05:06] Hobbsee: about what? [05:06] raphink: I create my own scripts [05:07] as you wish freeflying :p [05:07] there are scripts that just work though ;) [05:07] raphink: about the multiple pbuilder sections being written. [05:07] got them from revu [05:07] oh ok [05:07] Hobbsee: OK,they are all up, watch for them:-) [05:07] bddebian: cool, thanks [05:07] no, thank YOU :-) [05:08] Riddell: hmmm...xfce just added the dh_desktop section as well...do we want to add that? [05:08] raphink: /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh -- bddebian: heh...seems like a whole lot of it could have been done simpler though :P [05:08] ah I don't know this [05:08] ah yes that's what I use freeflying [05:08] Hobbsee: any idea what it does? [05:08] and it works great here if it's well configured [05:09] OK, showever time, later folks [05:09] raphink: but dapper's works fine, but not the breezy's [05:09] Riddell: if test -x /usr/bin/dh_desktop; then dh_desktop -p$(cdbs_curpkg) $(DEB_DH_DESKTOP_ARGS); fi [05:09] is what it does :P [05:09] what does dh_desktop actually do? install the desktop file, or something? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:12] Riddell: ah yep, i think we want it. http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2004/09/msg00130.html [05:16] can someone take care of kvpnc package ? It just needs a sync from Debian, newer version contains only bugfixes [05:16] Hobbsee: nah, KDE doesn't need that [05:16] ah ok [05:16] kbuildsycoca knows when it needs to run [05:16] pef: any bugs? [05:17] freeflying: i've roughly tested it with openvpn, running fine. [05:17] ah :) [05:18] pef: I mean the one in dapper now? [05:18] i was about to ask that [05:18] I just want it to be in Dapper, because I'm leaving computers for a while :) === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-87-176.singnet.com.sg] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [05:20] Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto is that clear? [05:20] Hobbsee: the one in Dapper right now run fine, but the version in Debian is newer, and contains many bugfixes (new upstream version) [05:21] pef: heh, i suspect that i just did a fix on that one... === Hobbsee doenst even have upload priveledges - why am i being asked? [05:22] pef: you can ask for UVFe, and tell that it can fix a bundle bugs, maybe this will help === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:22] Tonio_: j'espre bien que a va le rsoudre le problme ;) [05:23] raphink: looks good to me...as long as copy pasting the script works [05:23] hehe [05:23] Hobbsee: my script is a bit more complete still === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-87-176.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:23] as I include a script of mine to build a local repository for each build :) [05:24] :) [05:28] Riddell: you want the patch emailed to you, or pastebin it? [05:29] pastebin it good [05:30] raphink: I just do like what you have written, but fails on breezy's [05:31] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/715414 [05:34] Hobbsee: tested that it works? :) [05:34] Riddell: it built, i hadnt tried to test it... [05:34] didnt exactly know how... [05:34] hang on...if the brain is in gear, it must be pretty simple to test... [05:35] malone 44548 [05:35] Malone bug 44548 in kdebase "Problems with accentuated characters in man pages" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44548 === ajmitch_ wonders when Hobbsee will go for motu [05:39] is there a howto to package cmake using applications? === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:41] ajmitch_: keep wondering :P [05:41] ajmitch_: wonder the same ;) [05:41] loooooooooooool [05:42] ROFL === Hobbsee hears rumours of the next TB meeting being the day after the kubuntu meeting, at 6am [05:42] Hobbsee: but you love the early morning starts! :) [05:43] haha [05:43] yes, that's why it's almost 2am, and i'm still up, and i have wokr in the morning [05:44] heh [05:44] (crud) [05:44] nearly 4AM here :) [05:44] i'm trying not to think of that hehe [05:44] yes, so i figured...crazy person :P [05:44] not my fault [05:46] do you people seriously think that i'd be okay as a MOTU, and wouldnt break everything? [05:47] Hobbsee: if you manage to update cdbs without breaking anything, you'd do fine as MOTU [05:47] it's the overconfident ones I worry about [05:47] hmmm.... === Hobbsee laughs, thinking of the hell she'll probably get over the coming week for overconfidence [05:48] ;) === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has left #kubuntu-devel ["The] [05:48] Hobbsee: ++ [05:48] i guess that if my manager eats me, then i wont need to go for MOTU after all :P [05:53] Hobbsee: crazy, you've uploaded about 20 this day :) [05:54] freeflying: the count was 15, i think [05:54] :P === ajmitch_ should retire now, can't keep up with this younger generation [05:54] hehe [05:54] yes, because you're oh so old and decrepit :P [05:55] yes :P === Hobbsee hands ajmitch_ the walking frame [05:55] thanks so much [05:56] anytime :P [05:57] freeflying: well, 15 were the ones i sent to bddebian, dont know if anyone else delayed, and uploaded any today... [05:58] Hobbsee: heh === Hobbsee contemplates sleep. again. [06:00] freeflying: you know, it's not that hard - when you run 2-3 builds, one after another - they do get done pretty quickly... [06:00] extra ram helps, too :P [06:01] Hobbsee: i'm lack of hdd space and ram :) [06:01] hehe [06:01] freeflying: how much ram? [06:01] hehe [06:02] Hobbsee: 512M [06:02] /dev/hda3 ext3 15G 2.1G 12G 15% /home <-- where i build [06:02] ah yes, it helps having more than that... [06:02] Hobbsee: used space so little [06:02] yep [06:03] /dev/sda9 15590560 6503424 9087136 42% /home [06:03] Hobbsee: my build machine http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/cpu-z.html [06:03] /home 15590560 6503424 9087136 42% /var/chroot/home [06:03] freeflying: df -h ;) [06:04] /dev/sda9 15G 6.3G 8.7G 42% /home [06:04] /home 15G 6.3G 8.7G 42% /var/chroot/home [06:04] bddebian: you arround ? === Hobbsee is asleep [06:05] gnight Hobbsee [06:05] well...i should be, anyway... [06:05] hehe its only 11am here ;) [06:05] er, where's my phone? [06:07] ah, found it :D [06:07] /dev/sda3 54G 2.4G 49G 5% / [06:07] /dev/sda2 94G 47G 47G 51% /media/sda2 [06:07] no seperate /home [06:07] ;( [06:07] silly! why not? [06:08] this is just a dump box, i reload it atleaste once a week [06:08] only use it for dev/testing [06:08] heh === Hobbsee doesnt have that luxury [06:08] i keep everything i need to "keep" on /dev/sda2 [06:09] /dev/sda2 is my main kubuntu install [06:09] okay, now i'm really going to bed! 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[11:44] raphink, you will have to bug Riddell with that question :P [11:44] pygi: why so? [11:45] or someone who is more into that thing then me, to respond :) [11:45] pygi: then I can figure out myself maybe [11:45] ;) [11:45] ;) [11:51] Riddell had Hobbsee looking at that this morning [11:52] right