[12:07] <neoncode> Can you get surround sound on kubuntu? with a supporting sound card?
[12:12] <crimsun> neoncode: yes.
[12:16] <slow-motion> n8
[12:17] <neoncode> crimsun: How?
[12:17] <crimsun> neoncode: if you're using a xine-based player, just choose that option in the sound prefs
[12:20] <vinboy> hi
[12:20] <vinboy> is it possible to have 2 programs playing sound at the same time?
[12:22] <Blissex> vinboy: yes.
[12:23] <vinboy> Blissex: wat settings or app do I have to use to allows tat?
[12:24] <Blissex> vinboy: the ''sharing'' and ''OSS'' sections of this page: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2 and the ''app config'' section too.
[12:24] <vinboy> thanks alot Blissex
[12:24] <vinboy> by the way
[12:25] <vinboy> isn't KDE use ALSA instead of OSS?
[12:26] <yalu> anyone a clue on how to configure printing in kubuntu dapper drake. I set "Browsing On" in /etc/cups/cups.d/browse.conf and I would expect the laserjet attached to my server to show up in cups
[12:26] <Blissex> vinboy: some apps are OSS only, like various web plugins and games.
[12:28] <vinboy> ic
[12:32] <DHQ> hey i am new to kubuntu just installed it now so can anyone help me settin the wifi up
[12:33] <shawn> Is there a way to color manage my monitor with my spider in kubuntu?
[12:33] <DHQ> as i have a wireless acces point to connect to internet
[12:55] <DrBair> anyone out there use Keep for backups?
[01:04] <eimajenthat> howdy, I'm using th Kubuntu liveCD and I'm having a little trouble accessing my hard drive where my regular linux installation resides
[01:04] <eimajenthat> I get an error, le em see if I can find it
[01:05] <eimajenthat> says: can't find /dev/hda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:06] <eimajenthat> now I sorta know what that means, but I don't understand why it is
[01:07] <khaije1> eimajenthat: if you open konqueror and go to media:/ do you see the partition there?
[01:07] <eimajenthat> yes
[01:07] <eimajenthat> it calls it 53G or something to that effect
[01:07] <eimajenthat> I click on it and get that error
[01:08] <eimajenthat> it shows unmounted, and then tries to mount
[01:08] <eimajenthat> and then I get the error
[01:08] <khaije1> eimajenthat: you'll need to edit your /etc/fstab to let the system know what to do with it
[01:09] <khaije1> so you would need to add a line that would look somethign like this at the end of the file....
[01:09] <eimajenthat> I thought the liveCD magicated it
[01:11] <eimajenthat> is this a malfunction, or is that just not a feature built into this liveCD?
[01:11] <khaije1> eimajenthat: i think it does sometimes, you just need to add this to the end of /etc/fstab to garuntee it will work     /dev/hda2   /mnt/my_drive  auto users,rw
[01:11] <eimajenthat> livable
[01:12] <khaije1> that should get you working, you can get extra info w/ 'man mount' if yr interested
[01:12] <eimajenthat> yeah, I've done a little of that
[01:13] <khaije1> does that do the trick?
[01:13] <eimajenthat> but Ubuntu's usually more polished, so I wondered
[01:14] <khaije1> you may have to do it each time (can't remember) but it's very easy to remember
[01:14] <khaije1> 'mount -o users,rw /dev/hda2 /mnt/my_drive' works too
[01:15] <khaije1> eimajenthat: i know what you mean, i wish i had a live cd here to play w/
[01:16] <eimajenthat> yeah, I mounted it, it's fine now
[01:17] <eimajenthat> I want to see linux take over the world, and I see Ubuntu doing a lot of what I think needs doing, frequently before I figure out it needs doing
[01:18] <eimajenthat> this is something they might oughta work on, although it probably doesn't matter once you install
[01:19] <eimajenthat> have you used Ubuntu and Kubuntu extensively?  which is faster, in general?
[01:20] <eimajenthat> I know below the superficial level they're pretty much identical, but the superficial stuff eats the ram
[01:21] <khaije1> i agree with Linus about kde and gnome
[01:22] <khaije1> though I think gnome is perfect for some people, just not me
[01:22] <eimajenthat> I installed Xubuntu on my laptop and was quite disappointed speedwise, on other fronts it's quite nice, but it was not the "lite" sys I'd hoped for
[01:22] <eimajenthat> I know Linus prefers KDE
[01:22] <eimajenthat> I think because it's mroe tweakable
[01:23] <eimajenthat> that's about all I've heard from him on the subject
[01:23] <eimajenthat> I like Gnome well enough.  If you play with the settings, you can make either one look like the other
[01:23] <khaije1> well he said gnome was brain dead, and that the idea of 'treating yuor users like idiots is like a disease, at least say your lazy" i don't go quite that far
[01:24] <khaije1> eimajenthat: true, but i prefer kde over mac osx for the same reasons
[01:25] <eimajenthat> OSX is pretty rigid
[01:25] <eimajenthat> you can't change much
[01:25] <francolq_> hello. I have changed my monitor but I can't find where select a new monito configuration in my Kubuntu Breezy. Any idea?
[01:25] <eimajenthat> but you start with a really great setup
[01:25] <eimajenthat> ooh, I might!
[01:26] <eimajenthat> I think I saw that config, I'm using Dapper, but it might be the same
[01:26] <eimajenthat> hold on, lemme check
[01:27] <eimajenthat> in Dapper, you go to System Settings, and then there's a Display section under Hardware
[01:28] <eimajenthat> khaije1: I like OS X a lot, but I'm getting close to liking KDE better
[01:28] <eimajenthat> khaije1: I like amaroK better than iTunes, which is saying something, because I loved iTunes
[01:29] <eimajenthat> I like the Dock better than the Taskbar, but I've found ways around this issue
[01:30] <eimajenthat> there's a tool called Kompose for KDE that's really neat
[01:30] <eimajenthat> does OSX's Expose tricks
[01:30] <eimajenthat> I like the collection of KDE apps, Kaffeine blows Quicktime player away
[01:30] <bsfdg> hi guys
[01:31] <bsfdg> which kde library can i uninstall to force all of kde to uninstall?
[01:31] <Seantater> bsfdg: untilstall kdelibs
[01:31] <bsfdg> danke
[01:31] <eimajenthat> Isn't there a Kubuntu-Desktop package or something like that?
[01:31] <bsfdg> thats a metapackage
[01:32] <bsfdg> it removes nothing
[01:32] <eimajenthat> oh, hrm
[01:32] <steveire> I've found that removing a package doesn't remove the packages it depends on
[01:32] <eimajenthat> listen to Seantater
[01:32] <Seantater> bsfdg: have you had a bad experience with KDE?
[01:32] <eimajenthat> he knows more than me
[01:32] <eimajenthat> obviously
[01:32] <Seantater> eimajenthat: that can change
[01:32] <bsfdg> steveire, no but removing a package everything else depends on does
[01:33] <bsfdg> Seantater, nope i love kde, this stupid ubuntu instal ended up installing kde stuff as well
[01:33] <bsfdg> i just want gnome on here
[01:33] <eimajenthat> is it a clean install?
[01:34] <Seantater> bsfdg: okay -- just wanted to  make sure you didn't give up on it just becasue of __..
[01:34] <steveire> yeah, but I installed a package. adept installed a total of four packages. I then decided I didn't want it, told adept to remove it, and it just removed the package, it;s corresponding data package, but left 2 wxwidgets packages which I don't need now
[01:34] <eimajenthat> isn't there a remove completely option?
[01:34] <bsfdg> seaLne, naw.  infact i wish the kde project and gnome would work together.  both projects have a heck of a lot of overlap
[01:34] <steveire> I wonder how many other libraries I have like that...
[01:34] <bsfdg> and a ton of damn god devs
[01:34] <Seantater> steveire: I think some package managers have an option to remove stuff like that when you don't need it
[01:34] <steveire> hmmm
[01:35] <steveire> I'll have a look through adept settings
[01:35] <Seantater> steveire: but most times they run into probmels
[01:35] <Seantater> steveire: not adept -- lower doen, like apt-get, rpm, etc
[01:36] <steveire> hmmm
[01:36] <eimajenthat> adept will let you request purging
[01:36] <Seantater> steveire: adept can't do stuff like that because it's an extension of apt, etc.. Apt just doesn't do that
[01:36] <Seantater> eimajenthat: true, but that's does not remove the unneeded dependancies
[01:37] <eimajenthat> bummer
[01:37] <Seantater> eimajenthat: that just means it removes the configuration files also
[01:37] <Seantater> eimajenthat: although that can also save space
[01:37] <steveire> that will be tomorrows research
[01:37] <steveire> are the config files removed too with your apt-get method?
[01:38] <Seantater> but unless you don;t have space for them, I don;t see why stuff like wxwidgets makes any difference
[01:38] <eimajenthat> isn't there an APT command for removing orphaned packages?
[01:38] <bsfdg> no, thats deb-orphan
[01:38] <eimajenthat> is that a separate app from apt-get?
[01:38] <bsfdg> everything is a separate ap
[01:38] <eimajenthat> or, a separate package I guess I mean
[01:38] <bsfdg> every single command is an application
[01:38] <bsfdg> every app is a separate package too
[01:39] <Seantater> bsfdg: not /every/ command..
[01:39] <eimajenthat> you sure about that one?
[01:39] <eimajenthat> ah, k
[01:39] <bsfdg> positive
[01:39] <Seantater> bsfdg: several commands can be in one package/app
[01:39] <bsfdg> your a noob, for your needs, that is a factually correct answer
[01:39] <bsfdg> tho in detail there are certain deviations
[01:39] <bsfdg> :)
[01:39] <Seantater> bsfdg: true
[01:39] <bsfdg> Seantater, *nod*
[01:40] <Seantater> brb
[01:41] <steveire> I don't have a specific problem with wxwidgets, just with possible multiple orphaned packages that I don't know about
[01:41] <khaije1> steveire: i agree
[01:41] <eimajenthat> Well, can you deb-orphan them away?
[01:50] <eimajenthat> I think I'm a step above a noob
[01:50] <eimajenthat> maybe not two steps, but definitely one
[01:50] <stoft> running dapper, where in the physical fs is "media:/"?
[01:51] <DrBair> stoft: /media
[01:52] <stoft> DrBair: and if I want to reference the logical volume name (the one found on desktop/in konqueror) instead of the device name in /dev?
[01:55] <DrBair> stoft: I guess that would probably be a kded thing. I doubt there is an option to change that behavior though
[01:55] <DrBair> stoft: one option would be to write a udev rule to give that device a special node name
[01:56] <DrBair> stoft: or simply do a symlink, but thats kind of ghetto
[01:56] <stoft> especially since a symlink will "break" if I load the usb externals in a different order... :(
[01:56] <DrBair> exactly
[01:57] <DrBair> stoft: with the udev rule you can make the device always show up as the same device node which would fix that problem
[01:57] <stoft> thnx for the input though, been looking at udev rules a bit, but would be slick if there was an easier way of solving it. not all volumes have simple to decipher characteristics
[01:58] <stoft> hmm, know of any small app that reads volume information (more exactly, the label)?
[01:59] <stoft> udevinfo doesn't seem to return it, but udev-rules can wrap other apps it seems, then all I have to do is give each volume a unique name.
[02:00] <stoft> fat32 labels to be specific...
[02:09] <DrBair> stoft: actually it seems to be more hal that determines where the thing gets mounted
[02:11] <stoft> ok, thnx, something to read up on in other words. :)
[02:14] <stoft> yep, seems to be what I'm looking for, thnx
[02:18] <julian> hola
[02:20] <ingrato> hi
[02:21] <ingrato> I'm trying to install kubuntu 6.06 beta 2, but I don't see an option to format the partition using reiserfs
[02:21] <ingrato> is it possible to do?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> ingrato: it should be...
[02:22] <ingrato> any ideas how?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> via manual partitioning
[02:22] <Hobbsee> i think
[02:23] <ingrato> ok, does it come with the reiserfs utilities?
[02:23] <ingrato> yeah it does
[02:23] <ingrato> ok, i'll do it manually, I was trying to use QTParted
[02:23] <ingrato> I guess it's a QTParted feature (or lack of)
[02:26] <eimajenthat> what's wrong with ext3?
[02:29] <goldenear> did anybody try to use lm-sensors with Dapper ?
[03:02] <Seantater> ping
[03:04] <steveire> pong
[03:05] <steveire> nn
[03:15] <robotgeek> Seantater: pongish
[03:26] <Frox> I'm having an issue with an install. Anyone have a minute to help?
[03:27] <Ahmuck> ask away
[03:27] <Frox> Just did an install and on boot it's telling me /dev/hda1 does not exist.
[03:28] <Frox> The only thing I could find int he forum is to disable USB devices... didn't work
[03:28] <Frox> I tried letting the installer partition, I partitioned manually, I used GParted and QT parted from live CDs and none of that worked
[03:31] <Ahmuck> work before with other os ?
[03:31] <Frox> Yeah. Win2k was working fine before.
[03:32] <Frox> It's strange that the Ubuntu liveCD won't recognize the drive unless I format it first, then mount
[03:34] <Ahmuck> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/32123
[03:35] <Ahmuck> dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.15-19-k7 fixed it for me.
[03:35] <Ahmuck> Asus A7V8X motherboard.
[03:37] <Frox> Well, I didn't upgrade to Dapper, but I'll give it a go.
[03:37] <Frox> Thanks
[03:54] <ab_> hello everyone
[03:54] <ab_> can anyone help me with a locales error i'm getting?
[04:12] <goldenear> I'll need help with Xgl
[04:12] <goldenear> could somebody help me please ?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> !+xgl
[04:15] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[04:23] <goldenear> Hobbsee: all the tutorials an HOWTOs I read are for gnome ...
[04:23] <goldenear> I would like to try Xgl with kde :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:24] <noiesmo> goldenear, check out http://compiz.net
[04:24] <goldenear> the issue is that compiz --replace remove the default window manager but doesn't start a new one ;(
[04:25] <noiesmo> you need to use gnome-window-decorator even for kde with compiz xgl set up
[04:25] <noiesmo> goldenear, check the compiz site howtos for kde xgl compiz
[04:25] <Ahmuck> heh, plone says it conflicts with plone2, however i do not see a plone2 in the adept list
[04:26] <vanRijn> anyone using kubuntu  on a powerpc machine?
[04:29] <spikeb> i have. am not currently.
[04:38] <stevekl> You still can't write to NTFS partitions, right?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> stevekl: yes
[04:39] <Hobbsee> well, i'ts risky...
[04:39] <Hobbsee> captive-fs apparently lets you
[04:40] <stevekl> hm
[04:40] <stevekl> interesting
[04:47] <vanRijn> hm
[04:47] <vanRijn> how dangerous is it to write to HFS+ partitions?
[04:47] <vanRijn> i.e. if someone... let's call him vanRijn... had an HFS+-formatted iPod nano and he wanted to write to it from Linux... would that be bad?  =;)
[04:48] <vanRijn> hypothetically-speaking, of course
[04:48] <Hobbsee> hehe.  got no idea
[04:48] <spikeb> well
[04:48] <spikeb> vanRijn: i've done it without anything being destroyed
[04:48] <spikeb> vanRijn: but i recommend formatting the ipod for windows and using that
[04:48] <spikeb> er, using that fs
[04:50] <vanRijn> spikeb: *nod*  DOesn't FAT32 allow significantly less storage to be used though?
[04:50] <spikeb> hmm
[04:50] <spikeb> im not sure, to be honest
[04:50] <vanRijn> spikeb: i.e. I thought that HFS+ allowed for more data to actually be stored on the 1.8G drive
[04:50] <vanRijn> hm
[04:50] <khaije1> it's more a limit of individual file sizes
[04:50] <khaije1> nothing about 10 or 20 gbs
[04:51] <khaije1> (can't remember which, looking up)
[04:51] <khaije1> volume limit for fat 32 is 2TiB
[04:52] <vanRijn> well, I have a 2G iPod nano, which stores ~ 1.8G, but I don't know whether the cluster sizes/etc. make that much of a difference between HFS+ and FAT32 so that I'd care one way or the other
[04:52] <khaije1> but individual file maximum is 4GiB
[04:52] <spikeb> im not sure either
[04:53] <spikeb> one way to find out would be to try it, i guess
[05:01] <OpenSorce> I bet you guys get a CRAP load of newbs in here!
[05:02] <spikeb> well that's what the place is for
[05:02] <OpenSorce> Ok, question: Using either adept or apt I try to install winesetuptk and it wants to uninstall wine
[05:02] <OpenSorce> does this make sense?
[05:03] <spikeb> not to me
[05:03] <OpenSorce> Now don't think I'm lazy.....I'm testing Kubuntu for an upcoming article and doing everything like a coppertop would.....
[05:04] <OpenSorce> In this case I only tried it with apt to see if it was an adept bug......any ideas?
[05:04] <spikeb> well, one would be to try it and see what happens
[05:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Download the deb manually and install?
[05:05] <khaije1> CheeseBurgerMan! I love you!
[05:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's nice...
[05:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[05:05] <OpenSorce> I did.....it left me xwine which seems to not work at all....unless you want to play "winesweeper" :-)
[05:06] <spikeb> that's bizarre
[05:06] <spikeb> heh
[05:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> I type in 'wine nameofprogram.exe' -- pretty simple. :P
[05:06] <OpenSorce> I mean it gives me what would be a kewl interface I give it a winders app to run and....nada
[05:06] <spikeb> i can't really help, on a PPC machine myself
[05:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, I've tried xwine. It really does suck.
[05:07] <OpenSorce> CheeseBurgerMan: yeah me too......but again....doing it like a newb, trying to see if this really is as user friendly as it claims to be...
[05:07] <spikeb> sounds like a retarded package
[05:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> I still don't see the problem with 'wine program.exe', it's very simple.
[05:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Of you could just wine to run .exe by default.
[05:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> or*
[05:08] <spikeb> wine should be set up like that after installation by the package, in my opinion
[05:08] <spikeb> OpenSorce: no it is not
[05:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> Maybe, I'm on amd64, so my wine install isn't just the 'dpkg -i wine.deb'
[05:09] <OpenSorce> spikeb: yeah IMHO any *nix that really wants to capture some Windows marketshare should AT LEAST play an mp3 out of the box :-/
[05:10] <spikeb> OpenSorce: not gonna happen on free projects though, until the mp3 patent expires
[05:10] <spikeb> OpenSorce: which is next year i think!
[05:10] <OpenSorce> spikeb: schweet.....I'll research that
[05:10] <spikeb> i remember reading either 07 or 09 as expiration date.
[05:11] <spikeb> OpenSorce: there is something called easyubuntu, that helps with that kind of thing.
[05:11] <spikeb> OpenSorce: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[05:11] <OpenSorce> ok, now I don't know much about Wine and it's affect on NTFS.....is it gonna fry this XP install I have to use Wine on it?
[05:11] <spikeb> no, shouldn't touch anything
[05:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> Shouldn't, but I've never bothered with Wine on Windows (for obvious reasons)
[05:12] <OpenSorce> spikeb: even if I install something on it?
[05:12] <spikeb> that im not sure about
[05:12] <OpenSorce> Not that I really care.....if it wasn't for MxO I'd never boot to windows
[05:12] <OpenSorce> chee: yeah I'm with you there
[05:13] <OpenSorce> stupid nick complete
[05:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[05:13] <spikeb> woah, easy ubuntu supports my arch now
[05:14] <OpenSorce> ok guys....for the record should this be considered the "official" live support venue for Kubuntu?
[05:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> spikeb: Great isn't it? I may have to see just how easy it is now (Just did a reinstall, by the time I found it, I'd already done all of that)
[05:14] <spikeb> OpenSorce: yeah
[05:14] <spikeb> CheeseBurgerMan: yeah it's pretty nice, supports all three official arches too :)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> OpenSorce: ah...yeah...
[05:15] <OpenSorce> You guys are extremely nice for *nix guys talking to windoozers....is everyone here like that?
[05:15] <spikeb> OpenSorce: if they're not, they tend not to last long here. we have a code of conduct.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> OpenSorce: you can read ntfs, not write to it...wine follows that same rule
[05:15] <OpenSorce> try #linux on the UnderNet sometime *shudders*
[05:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> OpenSorce: Except for the occasional jerk. ;)
[05:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hobbsee: Even wine on Windows? ;)
[05:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Although I'm confused why there'd be a wine on windows.
[05:16] <lwizardl> hi
[05:16] <Hobbsee> why would you have wine on windows?
[05:16] <spikeb> OpenSorce: all the *ubuntu communities follow the code of conduct, that makes a major difference.
[05:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> I have no idea.
[05:17] <OpenSorce> excellent, you guys rock....Spikeb I'm gonna have a look at http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ and include it in my article......www.freelink.cx on June 1 is when it's published....any official quotes?
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hobbsee: I guess so you can test it without needing to install Linux
[05:17] <lwizardl> can someone help me with linking to a application i'm trying to get a java app to work
[05:17] <OpenSorce> lol, kewl
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> OpenSorce: Just an end user here, no one official. ;)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> then again, i suppose the devs, even unpaid can...
[05:18] <OpenSorce> that's kewl.....we're all end users of one sort or another :-)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:18] <spikeb> the devs can, yes.
[05:18] <OpenSorce> Hobbsee: lol
[05:18] <Hobbsee> spikeb: even the unpaid ones?
[05:19] <OpenSorce> btw......I've crashed Kubuntu twice clicking "Full Upgrade" in Adept.....I'm gonna warn folks away from that
[05:19] <spikeb> Hobbsee: yes. it's a community project, despite canonical
[05:19] <Hobbsee> true...
[05:19] <spikeb> easyubuntu seems broken. bah.
[05:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> OpenSorce: Really? Wow. Did it do the same thing using 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> OpenSorce: really?  mornfall would love to know about that, when he comes back
[05:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> Out of curiosity, what does mornfall do?
[05:20] <spikeb> sounds like he's the adept man
[05:20] <OpenSorce> CheeseBurgerMan: (Nick complete BETTER work this time!) no, still doing everything like a windows refugee would ;-)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> CheeseBurgerMan: he makes adept :P
[05:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, then I agree with you. ;)
[05:21] <Hobbsee> go on pbuilder - create!  and dont error out this time!
[05:21] <OpenSorce> actually, "crash" is a harsh word.......X ceases to function.....which leaves a windows user dead in the water...
[05:21] <Hobbsee> ack
[05:21] <Hobbsee> !cli
[05:21] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[05:21] <Hobbsee> might help :P
[05:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, the CLI was very helpful when I had kdesktop, kicker, and kwin all crash. :o
[05:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> That sucked. ;)
[05:22] <OpenSorce> lwizardl: sorry, I was talking too much......I think they missed your question
[05:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, I missed it, sorry.
[05:24] <bleaked> what package is alsaconf in?  or is it alsa-conf?  either way, alsa-base and alsa-base did not install it.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> bleaked: alsa-utils maybe?
[05:24] <VideoToaster> Hey everybody, I installed Kaffeine 0.8.1 today, but now the player freezes whenever I try to play an audio CD with it.  Any ideas?
[05:24] <OpenSorce> spikeb: yeah I found I liked Ubuntu better but in our tests Windows Users (ran out of pun names :-P) respond MUCH better to KDE than Gnome
[05:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> lwizardl: Try right click where you want the link, go to "Create New", and then "Link to Application..."?
[05:24] <spikeb> OpenSorce: yeah
[05:24] <spikeb> OpenSorce: i dont even LIKE kde, but my sister does. :)
[05:24] <bleaked> Hobbsee. nope, still nothing.
[05:24] <VideoToaster> bleaked:  I don't think Ubuntu packages alsaconf at all...
[05:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> Feels a bit limited to me.
[05:25] <spikeb> hey Hobbsee are you a dev?
[05:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> But, anyway. :P
[05:25] <spikeb> Hobbsee: or anyone important?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> spikeb: in a manner of speaking...
[05:25] <bleaked> VideoToaster. hrm..well then, how is one expected to point alsa and the mixer to the correct device?
[05:25] <spikeb> Hobbsee: may i message you about something i have kicking around in my head?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> spikeb: sure
[05:26] <spikeb> thank you.
[05:26] <OpenSorce> They *might* consider making desktop links to smb:// and media:// it gives a pretty good alternative to "My Computer" and "My Network Places"
[05:26] <OpenSorce> ok ok.....I keep saying goodbye then rambling.....good night guys :-)
[05:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, my updates are now done, so I'll be rebooting now.
[05:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> Adios, OpenSorce
[05:27] <Hobbsee> spikeb: does the fact that i'm building my pbuilder again, to do more bug fixes count?
[05:27] <VideoToaster> bleaked:  I don't know, but I had to download it separately from this thread:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=156975
[05:28] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: yes, it does
[05:28] <Hobbsee> oh good
[05:35] <VideoToaster> bleaked:  That work?
[05:35] <bleaked> VideoToaster. yes, thank you sir :D
[05:36] <spikeb> wb OpenSorce
[05:36] <OpenSorce> ok, yeah I'm back :-) Um......if I click "Install" on winesetuptk it sets wine to remove....if I go back and select install on wine again.....it locks up adept.....odd huh?
[05:36] <OpenSorce> spikeb: ty :-)
[05:38] <khaije1>  i just got the idea of a century, we should start a band called the html's and each song on our album can be different return codes, who's w/ me?
[05:38] <OpenSorce> khaije1: lol
[05:39] <khaije1> track four-oh-one could be about a lost connection or soemthing
[05:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> '404: File not Found' would be an excellent song title
[05:40] <khaije1> 501 would be about getting it on, cuz sex sells
[05:40] <khaije1> :-)
[05:40] <OpenSorce> hmmm.....still very odd.....does adept have a verbose mode? When I try to install wine-dev it wants to remove winesetuptk too
[05:41] <khaije1> we're gonna be rich, nobody patent this ok? ok ;-)
[05:43] <OpenSorce> libwine has the same affect
[05:44] <khaije1> lol-asaurus_rex!
[05:44] <OpenSorce> hehe....installing wine uninstalls wine-doc
[05:45] <OpenSorce> am I getting boring yet? :-)
[05:46] <bleaked> OpenSorce. don't you think godaddy has become a little overpriced?
[05:46] <bleaked> i mean, it _was_ the cheapest for a while..but now there are quite a few other, cheaper, registrars
[05:47] <OpenSorce> yeah I do.....I really do.....but they have fairly decent hosting and I've been with them forever
[05:49] <OpenSorce> Chris_Tucker should really have a quit message like "Do you understand the words that are coming outta my mouth?!?"
[05:52] <OpenSorce> ok ok...I cheated......I added the multi/universe repositories......I wonder if THAT's the issue?
[05:52] <spikeb> hmm
[05:52] <spikeb> i use multi/uni too
[05:52] <OpenSorce> spikeb: you use Kubuntu too yes?
[05:52] <spikeb> OpenSorce: actually i use ubuntu
[05:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Doesn't everybody use multi/uni? ;)
[05:53] <bleaked> eh..so i've ditched arts for alsa/dmix.  this has worked flawlessly for months..but recently i did an upgrade, and now my onboard soundcard is selected and i cannot find where to choose my pci soundcard.  running alsaconf did not fix things.  any ideas?
[05:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Same repos though.
[05:53] <spikeb> OpenSorce: i'm just interested in kubuntu for some of my users
[05:53] <claydoh> winesetuptk is for older wine versions iirc
[05:53] <claydoh> not really needed anymore
[05:53] <OpenSorce> ahh....
[05:53] <OpenSorce> a bit of clarity :-)
[05:54] <claydoh> wine automatically does the basic config then you can run winecfg in a terminal for more stuff
[05:54] <macd> bleaked: the best thing todo is disable that onboard sound in your bios.
[05:55] <OpenSorce> claydoh.....you are a genius :-)
[05:55] <spikeb> no wonder it wants to remove wine, then
[05:55] <bleaked> macd. i guess i don't understand how an upgrade would switch the card.. i mean the installer got it right months ago..i've updated, upgraded, and dist-upgraded several times w/out a problem.
[05:56] <macd> apt replaces configuration files all the time.
[05:56] <spikeb> usually intelligently.
[05:56] <macd> it typicaly asks when using CLI, when using adept of something similar is does the default action
[05:57] <[Deviant] > Could someone help me with a problem?
[05:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> [Deviant] : Depends on the problem.
[05:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> Probably, but it helps to know what the problem is. ;)
[05:59] <[Deviant] > Well, It seems I can't su into root using Konsole even though I put the password in correctly.
[05:59] <spikeb> need to use sudo, unless you set up the root account
[05:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> By default the root account is disabled.
[06:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> !root
[06:00] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:00] <[Deviant] > Well crap, I feel stupid. LOL
[06:00] <[Deviant] > Been trying to get into root for the past hour.
[06:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[06:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Good thing you came in here. ;)
[06:02] <[Deviant] > Yes, Thanks all of you
[06:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not a problem.
[06:02] <[Deviant] > Oh, and another thing.. Erm.. What's a good rpm package installer?
[06:02] <[Deviant] > Sorry used to working with Mandriva.
[06:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kubuntu doesn't use RPMs.
[06:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> It's a debian based distro, which means that it uses DEBs.
[06:03] <[Deviant] > lol, Well it looks like I'm going to have to go and study how to install Deb packages.
[06:03] <[Deviant] > Thanks again.
[06:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> From the console, you use 'sudo dpkg -i package.deb'
[06:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not sure what a good GUI installer is, I've always used dpkg.
[06:04] <spikeb> adept is....usable
[06:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> It installs local debs?
[06:05] <spikeb> hmm, probably only from cache
[06:05] <spikeb> i know gnome has gdebi or something like that for local debs, dunno bout kde
[06:06] <claydoh> just right-click on the deb and select Kubuntu Package menu...
[06:07] <claydoh> but for the most part, apps are most easily installed by adept 9gui) or apt (cli)
[06:08] <claydoh> Adept is getting better, but I still favor Synaptic package manager
[06:08] <claydoh> but for local debs, just use the right click menu
[06:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> I use apt & dpkg ;)
[06:08] <spikeb> once adept is as good as synaptic, hopefully someone will work on a kde version of gnome-app-install
[06:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> spikeb: Ever seen Kynaptic?
[06:09] <spikeb> nope
[06:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> Basically a KDE version of Synaptic
[06:10] <spikeb> why the <censored> are the kubuntu devs reinventing the wheel with adept, then/
[06:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> Don't know.
[06:11] <ubuntu_> Hello, I'm running Kubuntu Live CD Flight 7, and I'm looking at the pdf file in the examples directory, and the font used looks awful. (Letters are different sizes and heights)  Is anyone able to see if it looks this way for them too?
[06:12] <claydoh> Adept has something similar to gnome-app-install in dapper
[06:12] <claydoh> kynapyic is junk
[06:13] <claydoh> Adept is at least being worked on :)
[06:13] <erothoff> Does anyone know how to install the drivers for the ATI SB400 chipset?
[06:13] <spikeb> hmm
[06:13] <spikeb> i will have to check it out then
[06:14] <erothoff> It works with SUSE, but I want to use Kubuntu!!!
[06:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> erothoff: Just a minute, I have a link which may help.
[06:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> erothoff: Dapper or Breezy?
[06:19] <erothoff> Flight 7, the new release
[06:19] <erothoff> That would be dapper
[06:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide <--- Look at that
[06:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not sure if it'll help, but it's the only thing I can think of. ;)
[06:22] <erothoff> Thanks for giving me a place to look.  Dapper reconized my 14.1 monitor, and sound, but not the PCMCIA slot, nor the modem. (But I expected the winmodem not to be reconized.)
[06:24] <erothoff> Unfortunately that link didn't help. My video is fine. It is the PCMCIA card drivers I need to get
[06:25] <erothoff> (Actually Kubuntu did the best on the video department. Suse couldn't pick up that it was a WXGA monitor.)
[06:25] <ubuntu_> I'm trying out the Flight 7 Live CD, and when I click on Konqueror -> Network Folders -> Network Services, I get an error that reads "The Zeroconf daemon (mdnsd) is not running.", Does anyone know how to get it going?  Thanks.
[06:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not sure what to do about PCMCIA. I haven't a need for my slot, which gives me little experience in that front. :\
[06:26] <erothoff> Well, what I have there is a hardware modem. :-(
[06:27] <erothoff> ubuntu_ what network folders are you trying to connect too?
[06:27] <ubuntu_> erothoff: I was trying to open the Network Services folder.
[06:28] <erothoff> Now, I assume that you are connect to the network, and the network is working? (Ping?)
[06:29] <ubuntu_> erothoff: Yes, the network is working alright, I just don't know how to start the zeroconf daemon.
[06:31] <erothoff> Under System Settings on the startup button there is a Zeroconfig config
[06:32] <erothoff> I unfortunately don't have a network running to I haven't tried that yet. I have just been looking on how to install PCMCIA drivers.
[06:32] <ubuntu_> erothoff: O.k. I see that.  I'll see if there are any options to get it running from there.  Thanks.
[06:33] <erothoff> Good luck!!!
[06:39] <ingrato> hi, is there a way to install kubuntu but format my partitions as reiserfs? cause the installation utility wants to format them as ext3
[06:40] <macd> you can manualy partition your disk, and select reiserFS
[06:40] <ingrato> is there a way to install kubuntu from the commandline rather than that gui utility?
[06:40] <ingrato> I did
[06:40] <ingrato> but now I'm trying to install it, and it wants to format using ext3
[06:40] <macd> well you must have missed the part when you create partitions and select resier
[06:40] <ingrato> you can't select reiser
[06:41] <ingrato> that's the problem
[06:41] <macd> I did on install.
[06:41] <ingrato> the utility the installation uses is QTParted
[06:41] <ingrato> QTParted doesn't list reiserfs as a choice
[06:41] <macd> are you trying to install breezy or dapper?
[06:41] <ingrato> I'm tyring to install dapper
[06:41] <macd> ahhhh.
[06:41] <ingrato> sorry
[06:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> ingrato: At the beginning, before you start the installer, press Esc. That'll get you out of the GUI and into the old installer.
[06:42] <ingrato> ohhh
[06:42] <ingrato> wait
[06:43] <ingrato> the gui installer from the desktop icon u mean?
[06:43] <linuxcrazy> hey
[06:43] <[Deviant] > CheeseBurgerMan = Ubuntu Knowledge God
[06:43] <linuxcrazy> someone help me out
[06:43] <linuxcrazy> darn it
[06:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not quite, [Deviant] 
[06:43] <linuxcrazy> I can't even install cedega
[06:43] <ingrato> CheeseBurgerMan, the installer from the icon on the desktop?
[06:43] <ingrato> or what installer?
[06:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> ingrato: Not sure about that. I've not used the icon on the desktop
[06:43] <linuxcrazy> it has allll of these ganome problems
[06:43] <ingrato> so which installer?
[06:44] <[Deviant] > brb rebooting.
[06:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've only done it right after booting from the CD.
[06:44] <spikeb> linuxcrazy: you need to install gtk
[06:44] <linuxcrazy> gnome*
[06:44] <linuxcrazy> gtK?
[06:44] <macd> yeah installing from the liveCD might affect the partition selections
[06:44] <linuxcrazy> ok
[06:44] <macd> I cant see why, but....
[06:44] <linuxcrazy> I seached for gtk
[06:44] <linuxcrazy> nothing
[06:44] <ingrato> CheeseBurgerMan, so I boot from the CD and what option do I choose? keep in mind I'm using dapper 6.06 beta2
[06:44] <spikeb> linuxcrazy:  libgtk2.0-0
[06:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> ingrato: None, just press Esc.
[06:47] <ingrato> CheeseBurgerMan, thanks i'll be going now to try it out, thanks
[06:47] <p33kabo0> hello
[06:47] <spikeb> hey
[06:47] <p33kabo0> how r u ?
[06:48] <spikeb> good :) you?
[06:48] <ubuntu_> O.k. I figured it out, if you're getting the "The Zeroconf daemon (mdnsd) is not running." error in Flight 7 you just need to install the avahi-daemon package.
[06:48] <p33kabo0> good!  better if I can get this Kubuntu working :P
[06:48] <spikeb> ubuntu_ that's one way yeah
[06:48] <ubuntu_> spikeb: There's another way?
[06:49] <p33kabo0> I think I got a simple question for you guys...
[06:49] <spikeb> ubuntu_ if avahi isn't installed, no
[06:49] <spikeb> p33kabo0: sup
[06:49] <p33kabo0> I got a Toshiba Satellite M100 Dual Core processor and I try to install that new version of Kubuntu ..
[06:49] <linuxcrazy> ok
[06:50] <linuxcrazy> I did apt-get libgtk2.0-0
[06:50] <p33kabo0> I do the install ...but it crash when it comes to boot KDE or XFree86
[06:50] <linuxcrazy> and it's installing
[06:50] <linuxcrazy> it better work!
[06:50] <linuxcrazy> lol
[06:50] <linuxcrazy> sorry
[06:50] <spikeb> linuxcrazy: lol it is ok
[06:50] <linuxcrazy> I'm just really mad right now
[06:50] <spikeb> linuxcrazy: if cedega wants something else after libgtk, i'll help you with that, too
[06:50] <linuxcrazy> ok thx!
[06:50] <p33kabo0> it says that I don`t have a screen ... :|
[06:50] <spikeb> linuxcrazy: so take a couple deep breaths and have a smoke if you smoke, or a sip of a drink if you don't :)
[06:50] <linuxcrazy> lol
[06:51] <linuxcrazy> sorry
[06:51] <spikeb> it's okay. i've been there too
[06:51] <linuxcrazy> this is simply not my day
[06:51] <spikeb> linuxcrazy: it's never just one thing
[06:51] <spikeb> linuxcrazy: things tend to not work in groups
[06:51] <linuxcrazy> yeah
[06:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> p33kabo0: Maybe 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure  xserver-xorg'?
[06:51] <linuxcrazy> true
[06:52] <p33kabo0> The error is: Fatal server error: no screens found
[06:52] <p33kabo0> CheeseBurgerMan: thx...let me try
[06:52] <p33kabo0> what is the default password of ROOT when you just installed ???  It never asked me ..
[06:52] <p33kabo0> I tried blank but didn't worked
[06:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubotu: tell p33kabo0 about root
[06:53] <spikeb> ubotu: tell p33kabo0 about rootsudo
[06:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[06:53] <spikeb> hehe
[06:53] <p33kabo0> thanks :P
[06:53] <ingrato> CheeseBurgerMan, I tried that, and it gave me the boot: prompt, so I didn't know what to type, so I hit enter, and it booted up into the live version of kubuntu
[06:53] <spikeb> hehe
[06:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> ingrato: Try using 'linux'
[06:54] <ingrato> ok
[06:54] <ingrato> brb
[06:54] <ingrato> what should it bootup into? a text based install?
[06:55] <p33kabo0> thx ...got into the setup now ...let's see if I can find my graphic card...
[06:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> ingrato: It looks like the Breezy installer (if you've used that)
[06:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> If not, it's more of a textish installer
[06:55] <linuxcrazy> "unable to load gtk2 python bindings" i'm starting to cry
[06:55] <linuxcrazy> lol
[06:55] <ingrato> oh ok, bbrb then thanks
[06:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kinda like what I call a "CLI-GUI", but that's just me. ;)
[06:56] <ingrato> alrighty, thanks
[06:56] <linuxcrazy> I think I'll go rip this .iso into shreds
[06:56] <linuxcrazy> and stamp all over it
[06:56] <p33kabo0> hmmm ...what should I do if my network card is not listed ?? :S
[06:56] <p33kabo0> Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 945GM Express Chiset with 128MB DDR shared video memory
[06:56] <p33kabo0> that it is ...
[06:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> p33kabo0: Wireless?
[06:57] <p33kabo0> with Lynx ?
[06:58] <spikeb> back
[06:58] <p33kabo0> let say that I'm a n00b in console mode ...
[06:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> linuxcrazy: try 'sudo apt-get install python-gnome2-extras'
[06:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> p33kabo0: What about lynx?
[06:58] <linuxcrazy> ok thx
[06:59] <spikeb> bah CheeseBurgerMan stole my client
[06:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[06:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> You left him open for the taking. ;)
[06:59] <spikeb> lol
[07:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> p33kabo0: Is it a wireless card that's not recognized?
[07:00] <p33kabo0> no ...graphic card
[07:01] <spikeb> hmm
[07:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh
[07:01] <p33kabo0> or is there any default Intel drivers ?
[07:01] <linuxcrazy> why did Kubuntu not even have these simple pkgs already installed for cryin out loud?!
[07:01] <spikeb> linuxcrazy: they're gtk and gnome packages.
[07:01] <linuxcrazy> so?!
[07:01] <linuxcrazy> gnome uses KDE, KDE uses gnome
[07:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> linuxcrazy: KDE doesn't use GTK or Gnome ;)
[07:01] <linuxcrazy> no
[07:01] <linuxcrazy> but the packages do
[07:01] <spikeb> p33kabo0: is there an option to pick just intel?
[07:02] <p33kabo0> spikeb: I know for a fact that i810 is intel graphic card..but the rest of them ...i don't no
[07:02] <p33kabo0> and there is no only "intel" card...
[07:02] <spikeb> hmm
[07:02] <spikeb> bah
[07:03] <spikeb> there's an option where you can specify which server to use, not which card you have
[07:03] <linuxcrazy> i810? that's the one I use on one of my machines
[07:03] <linuxcrazy> has an onboard one
[07:03] <p33kabo0> spikeb: ...their is not such options ..I only see a list that I can scroll down and up :)
[07:04] <linuxcrazy> shouldn't the Cedega program pop up in gnome?
[07:04] <p33kabo0> with the chipsets...
[07:04] <linuxcrazy> I get a funky shell
[07:04] <spikeb> hmph
[07:04] <linuxcrazy> lol
[07:04] <p33kabo0> linuxcrazy: what is ur laptop?  to use that i810 ...
[07:04] <linuxcrazy> ?!
[07:04] <linuxcrazy> not a laptop
[07:04] <p33kabo0> ooh ..me it's a laptop
[07:04] <linuxcrazy> emachines
[07:05] <linuxcrazy> stupid crap onboard stuff
[07:05] <p33kabo0> well..it's on board anyway ..but it's not a i810
[07:05] <linuxcrazy> yes it is
[07:05] <linuxcrazy> mine is
[07:05] <p33kabo0> Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 945GM Express Chiset
[07:05] <p33kabo0> mine is that
[07:05] <spikeb> it's supported, tha tmuch i know
[07:06] <linuxcrazy> darn!!!
[07:06] <linuxcrazy> now it says it can't find libgtk-1.2.so!!
[07:06] <spikeb> linuxcrazy: that's ok.
[07:06] <ingrato> CheeseBurgerMan, linux didn't work, I tried "kernel", help, ls, install, etc... what do I type at the boot: ?
[07:07] <p33kabo0> spikeb: hmmm ok
[07:07] <spikeb> linuxcrazy: libgtk1.2
[07:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> ingrato: Hmm, not sure.
[07:07] <[Deviant] > lol I can't seem to install java
[07:07] <linuxcrazy> apt-get install libgtk1.2?!
[07:07] <linuxcrazy> ok
[07:07] <spikeb> p33kabo0: intel has a driver available for download, as well, but the install instructions aren't exactly that helpoful
[07:08] <linuxcrazy> ok, downlkoading/installing
[07:08] <linuxcrazy> downloading*
[07:09] <linuxcrazy> I give up
[07:09] <linuxcrazy> I trash kubuntu
[07:09] <linuxcrazy> nothing will work
[07:09] <linuxcrazy> oh well
[07:10] <linuxcrazy> anybody know what python bindings are?
[07:10] <p33kabo0> spikeb: ok ...but where I can get it ?  from intel's website ?
[07:10] <spikeb> p33kabo0: im doing some searching
[07:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> python-gnome2
[07:10] <[Deviant] > ....
[07:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> that's the python bindings
[07:11] <p33kabo0> spikeb: i'm right now on intel's website...
[07:11] <[Deviant] > o.O there isn't a java-package in the sources.
[07:11] <linuxcrazy> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:11] <linuxcrazy> sucessssssss!!!!!!!!!!
[07:11] <spikeb> p33kabo0:  http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/download.aspx?url=/9722/eng/Intel-3.4.3006-20051209.i386.tar.gz&agr=N&ProductID=2301&DwnldId=9722&strOSs=All&OSFullName=All+Operating+Systems&lang=eng
[07:11] <linuxcrazy> woohooo!!!!
[07:12] <p33kabo0> found it too ..but now how the hell i'm gonna download that in console mode?? :S
[07:12] <spikeb> wget
[07:12] <spikeb> let me get you a direct url heh
[07:12] <spikeb> wget ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/9722/eng/Intel-3.4.3006-20051209.i386.tar.gz
[07:13] <spikeb> linuxcrazy: so what are you gonnause after you trash kubuntu?
[07:13] <linuxcrazy> actually, I use kororaa
[07:14] <linuxcrazy> i'm using kubuntu for a test I'm doing
[07:15] <p33kabo0> Permission denied
[07:15] <p33kabo0> damn ... :S
[07:16] <p33kabo0> Intel-3.4.3006-20051209.i386.tar.gz: Permission denied
[07:16] <spikeb> bah
[07:16] <spikeb> i tried
[07:16] <spikeb> heh
[07:17] <p33kabo0> lol
[07:17] <p33kabo0> thanks :P
[07:17] <linuxcrazy> chmod!!
[07:17] <linuxcrazy> wait!!
[07:17] <linuxcrazy> wait!
[07:17] <spikeb> er, he has to be able to get the file first
[07:17] <linuxcrazy> chmod a+rwx
[07:17] <linuxcrazy> go root
[07:17] <linuxcrazy> sudo
[07:17] <spikeb> bbl
[07:17] <linuxcrazy> enter password
[07:17] <linuxcrazy> why do my drivers not show up?!
[07:18] <linuxcrazy> how do I make another account?
[07:18] <luisrod> Can anyone help me? Im new from Windows.
[07:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> luisrod: What's the problem?
[07:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> linuxcrazy: Control Center > System Administration > Users & Groups
[07:19] <luisrod> Ok, How do I run applications (programs)? I got the installer exe for the Folding @ Home Standford, when I click it it opens up the "Open With" dialog, isnt it supposed to just install? Thanks.
[07:19] <[Deviant] > lol aight, Cheese need somemore help.. Can't seem to find the java deb package in the sources.
[07:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> luisrod: Linux doesn't run exe files natively.
[07:20] <[Deviant] > Can't run .exe files on linux, Unless you install 'wine' or cedega
[07:20] <luisrod> ok, so what is the proccess I have to follow to run them?
[07:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> If you need to run an exe, you use Wine.
[07:21] <linuxcrazy> [Deviant]  you are wrong
[07:22] <linuxcrazy> you can run an .exe
[07:22] <p33kabo0> :(
[07:22] <[Deviant] > o.O
[07:22] <[Deviant] > Eh?
[07:22] <luisrod> ok, where can i get Wine? But....Wine is a program, and programs are .exe's right? How will it install itself? I just have the windows mentality i guess. Someone explain please?
[07:22] <p33kabo0> can`t make it work that version of Kubuntu
[07:22] <linuxcrazy> if it's made for linux
[07:22] <p33kabo0> I might be the first one to try to install it on a Toshiba Satellite M100 ...
[07:22] <luisrod> The Folding @ Home Stanford exe that I have is the one made for Linux, downloaded off their site.
[07:23] <khaije1> luisrod: typically linux's binary executables are suffixed w/ .bin
[07:23] <claydoh> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=101817&highlight=folding
[07:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> [Deviant] : Java is here: http://www.java.com:80/en/download/manual.jsp
[07:25] <khaije1> if this seems bad, imagine how hard a time Noah musta had!
[07:25] <[Deviant] > w00t thanks Cheese
[07:26] <p33kabo0> I have another question...
[07:26] <p33kabo0> when we install Kubuntu for the first time ..do we usually start directly in Console mode or in KDE ?
[07:27] <khaije1> the default is kde, but server install loads to a console
[07:29] <p33kabo0> ok...well I try both and never went into the KDE
[07:31] <p33kabo0> and I reinstall Kubuntu 4 times ...never worked :S
[07:32] <khaije1> p33kabo0: can you launch it with startkde once you sign in?
[07:32] <p33kabo0> I haven't tried yet...
[07:33] <p33kabo0> let me try that
[07:34] <p33kabo0> ksplash: cannot connect to X server
[07:34] <p33kabo0> .i guess this is my problem right there
[07:34] <khaije1> try startx
[07:34] <p33kabo0> how do I untar a file in console ?
[07:34] <khaije1> tar -xf explodeme.tar
[07:35] <p33kabo0> khaije1: it crash because it say that: Fatal server error: no screens found
[07:35] <p33kabo0> I tried to configure it ...but I guess it's my graphic card ...but now I have the driver
[07:36] <p33kabo0> and now I just don't remember how to build and config a file ... ? :S
[07:36] <p33kabo0> ./config ?
[07:36] <robotgeek> p33kabo0, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:37] <p33kabo0> robotgeek: thx but i need to install that driver before I guess ...so I can see it in the list of the xserver when I configure it
[07:40] <khaije1> p33kabo0: the answer to that question depends how much work was already done for you, how/where ist he driver distributed?
[07:41] <p33kabo0> khaije1: I put the driver in my /home/username/xc/ 'got all file here'
[07:42] <p33kabo0> i see the Makefile and config...
[07:44] <p33kabo0> with Kubuntu I can`t even log as root :|  at:    login:
[07:44] <p33kabo0> I type: root
[07:44] <khaije1> hi p33kabo0, typically, you just need to do this in the build dir './configure && make all && sudo make install'
[07:44] <p33kabo0> and type my password that my username have ...because this is what I should put usually as they say on the website...it's the same password then your first username that you create
[07:45] <metatag> hello asl plz everyone
[07:46] <Mars^> Hi. ow can i check how much of free space i havew on my hd?
[07:46] <khaije1> p33kabo0: what driver is this?
[07:46] <p33kabo0> khaije1: It says that the ./configure is not such file or directory
[07:46] <p33kabo0> my Intel Graphic card from my laptop
[07:46] <p33kabo0> Intel-3.4.3006-20051209.i386.tar.gz
[07:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> Mars^: System Settings > Disk and Filesystems
[07:47] <raf> hellom does anyone know where can I find out an Aqua (MacOS-like) skin for kubuntu?
[07:47] <khaije1> Mars^: or 'df' for all drives
[07:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> raf: 'sudo apt-get install kwin-baghira', or look at kde-look.org
[07:48] <p33kabo0> khaije1: in my folder I have a: BUILD ...so I tried: ./BUILD but it says Permission denied
[07:48] <khaije1> p33kabo0: so you unzipped, it and untared it, now there should be more build info
[07:48] <p33kabo0> but with this damn Kubuntu I can' login as a root!!
[07:48] <khaije1> p33kabo0: np, does sudo work?
[07:49] <p33kabo0> yeah that works
[07:49] <khaije1> sudo bash (dont tell anyone i told you)
[07:49] <p33kabo0> but I can't run the BUILD
[07:49] <raf> CheeseBurgerMan: is kwin-baghira a skin manager or Aqua?
[07:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> Aqua
[07:49] <khaije1> p33kabo0: sudo bash should give you a root shell, right?
[07:50] <raf> CheeseBurgerMan: ok, I'll try it, thanks
[07:50] <Mars^> thanks
[07:50] <p33kabo0> yeah
[07:50] <p33kabo0> i type my password and it's working..but when I try to log as ROOT ...I can't ...I don't get it!  it's the same password ...no?
[07:51] <p33kabo0> the one for sudo bash and the one for root login?
[07:51] <khaije1> not at all
[07:51] <p33kabo0> oh ok
[07:51] <khaije1> sudo is a different concept, if you can get used to it you'll really like it
[07:52] <p33kabo0> ok ...but can I build file with sudo then ?
[07:52] <khaije1> it provides better tracking of root access, and provides a good way to make systems a little more secure
[07:52] <khaije1> each sudo is logged, for  example
[07:52] <p33kabo0> because I need to build/configure this driver before starting my install
[07:53] <p33kabo0> ok
[07:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> p33kabo0: Sudo runs the command as root, if you could do it as root, you can do it with sudo.
[07:53] <khaije1> when you sudo you run the command as root, so sudo bash is a root shell
[07:53] <khaije1> CheeseBurgerMan: jinx!!
[07:53] <p33kabo0> ok so I should do something like: sudo ./BUILD ?
[07:54] <p33kabo0> or what is the other way to build a file with sudo (if we can)
[07:54] <raf> CheeseBurgerMan: is there a way to get a macOS menu-like, with fisheye?
[07:54] <khaije1> p33kabo0: well... that depends on what the build instructions say, but sudo will take care of the permission issue when you run it like that
[07:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> raf: Not sure what 'fisheye' is
[07:54] <robotgeek> !compile
[07:54] <ubotu> A nice howto about compiling software from source code can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (but remember to search !apt first, after adding all the !repos)
[07:55] <raf> CheeseBurgerMan: fisheye is a growing up of icons when you mouseover the menu
[07:55] <metatag> !compile
[07:55] <ubotu> A nice howto about compiling software from source code can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (but remember to search !apt first, after adding all the !repos)
[07:55] <metatag> wow thats kewl
[07:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> raf: Ah, something like KXDocker or KSmoothDock
[07:56] <raf> CheeseBurgerMan: when you mouseout the menu, its size gets normal
[07:56] <metatag> wat other commands to you have
[07:56] <p33kabo0> robotgeek: thx
[07:56] <metatag> ?
[07:56] <raf> CheeseBurgerMan: not sure, but   I'm going to google it that
[07:56] <khaije1> !chroot
[07:56] <ubotu> I heard chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[07:56] <khaije1> !dchroot
[07:56] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, khaije1
[07:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> raf: Those are like the OS X dock.
[07:56] <khaije1> !deboostrap
[07:56] <ubotu> khaije1: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:57] <khaije1> lol
[07:57] <raf> CheeseBurgerMan: ook, thanks
[07:57] <damitha> hav u guys used f-spot for photo management?
[07:57] <damitha> do u knw how good it is?
[07:57] <metatag> !fstab
[07:57] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the diskmounter file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter  See <partitions>.
[07:59] <raf> is there a way to link to the Desktop with a link?
[07:59] <metatag> !msg the bot
[07:59] <ubotu> Please message the bot (me) in private, more info about the bot: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[07:59] <raf> I mean, with an icon
[07:59] <p33kabo0> robotgeek: On the link...it says to use sudo but we package...I only had a tar.gz file and I uncompressed the files in my /home/username/xc ...
[08:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> raf: You might like this link: http://bsdgangster.org/modules.php?name=Content&file=viewarticle&id=15
[08:00] <p33kabo0> robotgeek: so now in that folder I have a BUILD and Makefile that could be useful and many other folders and files
[08:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> raf: just make a link to ~/Desktop
[08:01] <p33kabo0> !su
[08:01] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, p33kabo0
[08:01] <p33kabo0> how can i know the default password for the SU ?
[08:01] <p33kabo0> with that bot ubotu ...?
[08:01] <robotgeek> p33kabo0: just type "make"
[08:01] <robotgeek> damitha: on kde we use digikam :)
[08:01] <p33kabo0> robotgeek: -bash: make: command not found
[08:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> p33kabo0: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:02] <robotgeek> p33kabo0: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:02] <robotgeek> CheeseBurgerMan: heh, too dast
[08:02] <p33kabo0> wow cool
[08:02] <p33kabo0> thx!  finaly doing something!
[08:03] <raf> CheeseBurgerMan: thanks
[08:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> NP
[08:03] <raf> CheeseBurgerMan: how can I know my KDE version?
[08:03] <robotgeek> raf: any kde program, Help -> About Kde
[08:04] <khaije1> or kded --version (commandline option)
[08:04] <raf> robotgeek: :D thanks
[08:04] <raf> khaije1: thanks
[08:05] <raf> what means Qt: 3.3.4?
[08:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's the Qt version
[08:05] <khaije1> it's a library that KDE use for lot's of stuff
[08:06] <raf> CheeseBurgerMan: What works better in Kubuntu, KSmoothDock or KXDocker? Thanks
[08:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> I liked KSmoothDock a bit better
[08:07] <raf> CheeseBurgerMan: ok, thanks
[08:11] <p33kabo0> hmmm...is there something better then VGA in default card that I can use for configuring X
[08:11] <p33kabo0> until the time that I'm in KDE so I can configure it
[08:12] <p33kabo0> like a basic setting that can work on every computers?
[08:13] <raf> CheeseBurgerMan: There's several download options for KSmoothDock, the source code and a Unoficial Debian SID, which one is better? I'm scared about compilation :D
[08:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> I compilied mine.
[08:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> The debian sid package should work though.
[08:14] <kkathman> raf - why not just use KDE to build your iconic menu at the bottom of your screen?
[08:15] <raf> kkathman: how can I do that?
[08:15] <kkathman> I used to use Ksmoothdock until I found out that KDE can do that basically
[08:15] <kkathman> hehe
[08:15] <raf> kkathman: well, is there a paranoid effect in KDE?
[08:15] <raf> kkathman: sorry, paranoid = parabolic :D :D
[08:16] <kkathman> basically, you create 3 panels at the bottom (at least I do), the basic main panel you shorten up and put only say the clock and maybe the task panel
[08:16] <kkathman> then create a second panel, position it at the bottom, configure it to popup when your cursor touches the bottom center (this is done in the kcontrol settings )
[08:17] <kkathman> and if you want, create a third panel and locate it at the far left :)
[08:17] <raf> kkathman: :| ok, I wll try out that
[08:17] <kkathman> you can add all your icons to the center panel and that way everything is bottom center, just like Ksmoothdock
[08:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> spikeb: Seen Knome?
[08:17] <kkathman> raf its takes some playing...but works well
[08:17] <spikeb> CheeseBurgerMan: no
[08:17] <raf> kkathman: hehehe, ok, thanks
[08:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=39001
[08:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> There's Knome
[08:18] <raf> kkathman: where can I create that menus?
[08:18] <p33kabo0> CheeseBurgerMan: what is the command again with sudo xconfig-xorg ?
[08:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:18] <p33kabo0> i forgot one part of that cmmand...don't remember
[08:18] <p33kabo0> thanks
[08:19] <spikeb> CheeseBurgerMan: that's pretty much what i did
[08:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, that just makes it easier to do. ;)
[08:20] <spikeb> i think kubuntu should work closer with the ubuntu human interface devs/investigators
[08:21] <p33kabo0> when I try: "startkde"
[08:21] <p33kabo0> i get:   xsetroot:  unable to open dispay ''
[08:21] <p33kabo0> xset: unable to open display ""
[08:22] <spikeb> im just not sure who to talk to about my idea heh
[08:29] <p33kabo0> Intel-3.4.3006-20051209.i386.tar.gz
[08:29] <p33kabo0> oups sorry
[08:31] <kkathman> raf you create the menus on the panel's them selves
[08:31] <kkathman> you can either put applications in the K-menu there, or create links to applications yourself.
[08:34] <raf> kkathman: ok, thanks
[08:37] <kkathman> raf I'll be around tomorrow off and on and I can help you if you need it.
[08:38] <kkathman> for now...its late :)
[08:47] <[Deviant] > lol okay need some help, For some reason LimeWire isn't detecting my java even though when I type java --version it comes up, Any idea's on how to fix this?
[08:47] <raf> I'm trying to install KSmoothDock, when  I do ./configure, it returns "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"
[08:47] <raf> what can I do?
[08:48] <ingrato> hi
[08:48] <ingrato> I still haven't figured out how to install Dapper to a reiserfs
[08:48] <ingrato> any ideas?
[08:50] <crimsun> should work fine with the flight 7 live cd and newer
[08:53] <ingrato> I have kubuntu 6.06 beta 2
[08:54] <Ohzie> Hey
[08:55] <ingrato> ha, I don't know why I didn't download flight 7, I thought that was something else
[08:55] <Ohzie> Is there a way to make konqueror 1 click to select and double-click to execute?
[08:55] <spikeb> yes
[08:56] <ingrato> does the Desktop CD vs. Text-mode have any difference as far as packages included?
[08:56] <spikeb> ingrato: not that i know
[08:56] <Ohzie> spikeb: How?
[08:56] <Ohzie> :D
[08:56] <ingrato> is the Text-mode as easy to install as the desktop one?
[08:57] <spikeb> ingrato: far as i know, they ask the exact same questions
[08:57] <spikeb> Ohzie: look in the konqueror preferences
[08:57] <Ohzie> I did. :( I couldn't find it. It sounded like something that should be in 'behavior' but it wasn't there...I poked around a bit and got frustrated, and that's why I'm here! :D
[08:58] <spikeb> hmm
[08:58] <spikeb> i can't remember offhand (not running kde)
[08:59] <spikeb> actually
[08:59] <spikeb> Ohzie: it might be in mouse settings
[08:59] <spikeb> try that
[09:00] <Ohzie> The only part of KDE I use is konqueror
[09:00] <Ohzie> I'm not a huge fan of the environment
[09:00] <Ohzie> But konqueror is so much better than both nautilus and xffm/thunar
[09:00] <spikeb> i think it's a kde-wide setting, not a konqueror setting
[09:00] <Ohzie> Damn.
[09:00] <Ohzie> Do you, offhand, remember the preferences program for kde?
[09:01] <spikeb> kcontrol
[09:01] <spikeb> or kcontrolcenter
[09:25] <ParaGuy> hello
[09:25] <ParaGuy> can anyone help me?
[09:26] <hastesaver> !anyone
[09:26] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? </hint>
[09:26] <ParaGuy> !anyone
[09:26] <ParaGuy> !help
[09:27] <hastesaver> ParaGuy, what do you want? Just ask your question, please :)
[09:27] <ParaGuy> can anyone help me with my live cd?
[09:28] <Lynoure> ParaGuy: Perhaps, what kind of problem you have with it?
[09:29] <ParaGuy> it is stoping when it gets to check battery state
[09:30] <Lynoure> hmm, I probably don't know enough about livecd to help there. Have you tried the newest one? You could do that, if you haven't yet.
[09:30] <ParaGuy> yep
[09:31] <ParaGuy> I just downloaded it. I have also tried installing the full program.. it also freezes up.. I have downloaded several version.. the dvd live/install and the cd live and the cd install
[09:31] <hastesaver> ParaGuy, are you using a laptop? If not, and if checking battery state is not important to you, you can just try pressing Ctrl-C at that moment...
[09:31] <ParaGuy> it's a desktop
[09:32] <ParaGuy> it just stops with a blinking cursor
[09:32] <ParaGuy> but I can't type anything in there
[09:32] <hastesaver> ParaGuy, so just press Ctrl-C when it gets stuck (it's a live CD, so what can go wrong?)
[09:32] <ParaGuy> Im pressing it.. nothing is happening
[09:33] <ParaGuy> it's just not going into the gui
[09:47] <raf> how can I access the Autostart folder? Where is it? I saw that I can access clicking the Go button on Konqueror, but I can't find it right there
[09:54] <Lynoure> Is there a RSS feed showing screensaver for KDE?
[09:55] <Lynoure> raf: ~/.kde/Autostart
[09:55] <Lynoure> I only have my xmodmap there, though
[09:58] <raf> Lynoure: thanks
[09:58] <Lynoure> raf: you are welcome :)
[09:59] <ParaGuy> I have my live cd where I can type commands now.. how do I get it to boot into the gui?
[10:05] <khaije1> /who hastesaver
[10:15] <hastesaver> khaije1, what did I do? ;)
[10:16] <khaije1> 1st off, i hate gaim for irc, 2nd, i wanted to run a turing test, nothing personal, couldn't tell abd was curious :-)
[10:17] <casandro> Hi, uhm, I think I found some X and KDE releated bugs in Kubuntu.
[10:18] <Lynoure> Does phosphor screensaver exist for ubuntu?
[10:18] <Lynoure> ifso, where to get it?
[10:19] <chx> how could I enter a 0x80 char into KATE ?
[10:20] <iNiku> casandro: check the bug tracker at http://launchpad.net/ and if your bugs have not been reported already, do so
[10:21] <casandro> iNiku: Thanks
[10:22] <iNiku> are you sure they are bugs, though?
[10:22] <casandro> Lynoure: I think it is, try to search for screensaver in your package manager or type apt-cache search screensaver
[10:22] <casandro> iNiku
[10:23] <casandro> iNiku:Well one is a bug in kded where it always tries to start a programm on keycode 111, nomatter what keyboard.
[10:23] <casandro> iNiku:That's particularily annoying as 111 is my "up" key.
[10:23] <Lynoure> casandro: done already
[10:24] <casandro> iNiku: Really? I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade and it's still there.
[10:24] <Lynoure> casandro: I was hoping someone to know if it exists and if so, in what package
[10:25] <crawler> Hello, is anybody out there, who can help me with installing Kubuntu with AMD64, lilo and xfs?
[10:26] <Lynoure> casandro: in Debian it is in xscreensaver, but not so in ubuntu, it seems
[10:27] <casandro> Lynoure: Well there are only a few, perhaps you could install them. I think it's now implemented as an OpenGL one, so try that package.
[10:27] <Lynoure> casandro: Ubuntu does not have any means for searching package contents?
[10:28] <Lynoure> (for uninstalled packages, that is)
[10:29] <casandro> Lynoure: Well it's using the same system as Debian, you could probably even install Debian's xscreensaver package.
[10:30] <Lynoure> casandro: But if it was dropped from tha package, there might be a good reason for that...
[10:30] <crawler> Hello, is anybody out there, who can help me with installing Kubuntu with AMD64, lilo and xfs? Booting freezes with something mounting root...
[10:30] <Lynoure> casandro: So there is no search thingy similar to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ?
[10:31] <Lynoure> oh, there seems to be http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[10:33] <Lynoure> But it gives incorrect data, I think
[10:34] <Lynoure> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=phosphor&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=dapper&arch=i386 but phosphor is not in that package. or didn't get installed, for some reason
[10:38] <casandro> Lynoure: Perhaps apt-cache search has some option.
[10:38] <Lynoure> casandro: see above
[10:40] <casandro> Lynoure: Hmm, Ohh, OK.
[10:40] <Lynoure> Probably outdated info there. the contents file is from January and the package file from April
[10:41] <iNiku> Lynoure: you can use apt-file to search inside packages in the repos
[10:42] <Lynoure> iNiku: First I need to find where apt-file is gotten from =)
[10:43] <iNiku> casandro: have you checked the laptop tabs in kde system settings?
[10:43] <iNiku> Lynoure: sudo apt-get install apt-file :)
[10:43] <hastesaver> Lynoure, apt-cache search apt-file ;)
[10:44] <hastesaver> Lynoure, (which will suggest to you to use the above)
[10:44] <iNiku> kscreensaver-xsavers: usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/phosphor.desktop
[10:44] <Lynoure> iNiku: Where does it get its data?
[10:44] <Lynoure> to me apt-file didn't find phosphor
[10:44] <iNiku> Lynoure: I think it downloads the Contents files from the repos you have configured
[10:45] <iNiku> do you have universe and multiverse?
[10:45] <iNiku> (and are you on breezy or dapper?)
[10:45] <Lynoure> and I already have kscreensaver-xsavers
[10:45] <Lynoure> dapper
[10:45] <iNiku> weird
[10:45] <Lynoure> iNiku: and you?
[10:45] <iNiku> hmm, I don't have phosphor either. that's interesting.
[10:45] <casandro> iNiku: You mean laptops and power?
[10:46] <iNiku> casandro: yeah
[10:46] <Lynoure> I trust it was in xscreensaver-data in January...
[10:46] <iNiku> at least on the thinkpad page you can configure actions for hotkeys
[10:47] <iNiku> casandro: the keycode thing seems to be a bit of a mess, though. somehow acpi-support for example assumes that the sleep button is always 142, which it is not in my X config (I think it's an X config issue)
[10:48] <Lynoure> iNiku: I have universe, but not multiverse. The naming is confusing to me, what is multiverse, apart from backports?
[10:48] <iNiku> there's some strange keycode mapping stuff going on
[10:48] <casandro> iNiku: Ohh interresting. I'll try that.
[10:49] <iNiku> Lynoure: I'm not totally clear on that, either
[10:50] <iNiku> !repos
[10:50] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:50] <Lynoure> iNiku: If you can tell me the exact name and version of the package that should have phosphor, I'd be very grateful as I then could hunt for it
[10:51] <Lynoure> I know how to enable them... just not whether I'll want to as they get no review from the security team
[10:51] <iNiku> Lynoure: sorry, no idea. I don't have it either but apt-file says it should be in kscreensaver-xsavers (and apparently in xscreensaver-data, for good old xscreensaver itself)
[10:52] <raf> How can I link to desktop with an icon? I've created a link to ~/Desktop but it doesn't work,
[10:52] <Lynoure> iNiku: then apt-cache show kscreensavers-xsavers should show the version info
[10:54] <casandro> raf: Odd, do you actually make a link, or just one of those KDE links? It seems to work for me.
[10:54] <Lynoure> I'd guess it must be some other version than I have, or then there is something wrong in the installer...
[10:54] <iNiku> apt-cache says Version: 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu4
[10:55] <Lynoure> hmmm
[10:56] <Lynoure> might be something wrong with apt-file here too:
[10:56] <Lynoure> lynoure@pkunk:/var/log$ apt-file search kubuntu-servicemenu.sh
[10:56] <Lynoure> lynoure@pkunk:/var/log$
[10:56] <iNiku> you need to apt-file update first
[10:56] <Lynoure> I did
[10:56] <Lynoure> I'm not daft. :)
[10:56] <iNiku> :)
[10:57] <Lynoure> I'm new to ubuntu, but been using debian 6 years before that...
[10:57] <iNiku> yeah, same here
[10:57] <iNiku> kubuntu-default-settings: usr/bin/kubuntu-servicemenu.sh
[10:57] <iNiku> I wonder if there's something wrong with your repos / apt cache / something
[10:58] <Lynoure> oops, sorry, I did apt-get update =)
[10:59] <stargater> re
[10:59] <iNiku> so maybe you are daft after all? :D
[10:59] <stargater> re
[11:01] <Lynoure> but for the light in me, I don't get phosphor from kscreensaver-xsavers 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu4
[11:01] <Lynoure> :(
[11:01] <iNiku> yeah, I don't either
[11:01] <Lynoure> even though apt-file claims it is there
[11:02] <iNiku> phosphor is not in xscreensaver-data either
[11:02] <iNiku> even though apt-file says it is
[11:03] <Lynoure> time to report a bug against apt-file, I think (though I'm not sure who takes care of the content files)
[11:04] <iNiku> guess it's not just apt-file if the package search engine at ubuntu.com says the same?
[11:04] <iNiku> although obviously they're using the same source data
[11:05] <raf> casandro: I make link with ln
[11:05] <Lynoure> I think the apt-file ppl at least should know who takes care of that data
[11:05] <Lynoure> and I cannot think http://www.debian.org/distrib/packagesanything better to file against
[11:05] <Lynoure> copypaste error
[11:05] <Lynoure> and I cannot think anything better to file against
[11:05] <iNiku> yeah
[11:06] <iNiku> it's strange, though
[11:06] <iNiku> you'd think the contents files were built automatically from the packages
[11:09] <Lynoure> iNiku: In debian they are, daily
[11:28] <Lynoure> iNiku: it's at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apt-file/+bug/44501 now
[11:34] <claymore666> yoohoo
[11:39] <nico8481> lo
[11:44] <Kream> hi all
[11:44] <Kream> is there some sort of post-install procedure listed somewhere that i can follow to get stuff like codecs etc. working?
[11:45] <khaije1> !restricted
[11:45] <ubotu> [restricted]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:45] <khaije1> Kream: this link has detaails
[11:46] <Kream> that's very kind of you, khaije1 thanks :)
[11:47] <GazzaK> is the install of kubuntu as easy as ubuntu?
[11:47] <spikeb> it's the same, except for the packages installed, i think
[11:48] <GazzaK> cool, and dapper is just as reliable?
[11:48] <spikeb> heh
[11:48] <spikeb> not gonna have you screaming at me if something breaks :)
[11:49] <GazzaK> I've been running dapper on ubuntu for a bit now, no problems except self induced ones!
[11:49] <spikeb>  then yes, it should be alright for you
[11:50] <GazzaK> wooo
[11:55] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: yay!
[11:55] <GazzaK> 69% now :)
[11:55] <spikeb> nice connection you got
[11:55] <GazzaK> 235K
[11:56] <hastesaver> Yeah, it took me two days
[11:56] <GazzaK> I just updated the firmware for my router, so it's running a bit quicker
[11:56] <spikeb> GazzaK: good deal
[11:57] <GazzaK> 235kB/sec is not too bad for a 2mb adsl line
[11:57] <spikeb> faster than i can get
[11:57] <GazzaK> slower than my swedish friend though, who has a 20mb line :(
[11:57] <spikeb> heh damn swedes
[11:58] <GazzaK> yeah
[11:58] <spikeb> friend of mine from there has a 10mb line :)
[11:58] <GazzaK> and all they use it for is dodgy swedish porn
[11:58] <spikeb> lol
[11:58] <hastesaver> On a 256 kbps = 32 kB/s connection with a 1 GB cap except for six hours at night, it takes me one-and-a-half night sessions to get it :(
[11:58] <hastesaver> errpast-wc, not the swedish porn, the dapper CD :)
[11:58] <Hobbsee> s
[11:58] <Hobbsee> mind you, i usually get around 600kbps
[11:59] <hastesaver> stupid autocomplete, I should turn it off
[11:59] <GazzaK> 78% now :)
[11:59] <spikeb> i get crap all. have a crappy connection (as far as "broad" band is concerned)
[11:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:59] <Hobbsee> spikeb: psst.  prozilla :P
[12:00] <hastesaver> spikeb, well, they call *my* connection "broadband" too :)
[12:00] <spikeb> heh, whenever anyone says they installed the amd64 version of any OS, i tend to find myself apologizing to them
[12:00] <GazzaK> I've only been using linux for three weeks tomorrow :)
[12:01] <GazzaK> what file system should I use?
[12:01] <spikeb> ext3 is fast enough, and quite reliable
[12:02] <GazzaK> okay, i'll stay with that, unless anyone has any better ideas
[12:02] <spikeb> i happen to like it :)
[12:03] <GazzaK> I miss my windows defrag tool, but thats because my computer just used to do 90 optimisation and 8% work and 2% playing
[12:05] <spikeb> hmm, is hobbsee a woman?
[12:05] <hastesaver> spikeb, yes
[12:05] <spikeb> cool.
[12:06] <hastesaver> spikeb, I man, I remember her using something like "/me verbs her noun" sometime
[12:06] <hastesaver> mean*
[12:07] <GazzaK> Hobbsee, what do you have to do to get a hostmask like that?  it's a donation thing isn't it?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: no, mine's from ubuntu membership
[12:08] <GazzaK> how do you become a member?
[12:09] <GazzaK> wooo 97% now
[12:10] <apokryphos> GazzaK: /msg ubotu member
[12:11] <GazzaK> damn, it failed (the download that is)
[12:11] <hastesaver> And are there other ways to get a hostmask like that?
[12:12] <GazzaK> apokryphos, is that all I type? "/msg ubotu member"
[12:13] <hastesaver> GazzaK, lol no, that tells you how to become a member; it doesn't make you a member ;)
[12:13] <GazzaK> hehe
[12:13] <jack1> has anyone a mobile phone that can out of the box be synchronized with kontact?
[12:13] <claymore666> i think i do
[12:13] <claymore666> hhahhaha
[12:13] <claymore666> i hate it thought
[12:13] <claymore666> bye
[12:13] <claymore666> !
[12:13] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, claymore666
[12:15] <GazzaK> argh, back to 9% now
[12:15] <jack1> hastesaver i get man can u imagine why it would add some of the contacts (after several attempts) but not all to the nano
[12:16] <hastesaver> GazzaK, you didn't use a download manager?
[12:16] <GazzaK> nope
[12:16] <GazzaK> just firefox's downloads
[12:16] <hastesaver> GazzaK, wow, you must have a pretty good connection if you're so confident!
[12:16] <GazzaK> it is normally perfectly good
[12:17] <GazzaK> i've downloaded lots of iso's with no issue, this is the first one to fail
[12:17] <GazzaK> it's 40 minutes till this one is done
[12:18] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: why not use a download accelerator?
[12:19] <spikeb> heh
[12:19] <GazzaK> recommend one?
[12:19] <spikeb> interesting quote "Linux Girls do it better!"
[12:19] <spikeb> and not from a guy, either.
[12:19] <hastesaver> kget ? (What does kget do?)
[12:20] <spikeb> i dont think kget does accelleration
[12:21] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: linux or windows?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> spikeb: what?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> do i want to know?
[12:22] <GazzaK> linux, atm ubuntu
[12:22] <spikeb> Hobbsee: it's a quote from a linuxchix member, believe it or not
[12:22] <Hobbsee> well, i was trying to figure out if it was supposed to be dirty or not :P
[12:23] <spikeb> so am i
[12:23] <spikeb> heh
[12:23] <GazzaK> I think it is dirty :)
[12:23] <Hobbsee> yes, i suspected that it was :P
[12:23] <GazzaK> Distro: Ubuntu 6.06 | Kernel: 2.6.15-22-386 | Processor: 1.79Ghz AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ | Mem [Free/Total] : 2851MB/3043MB []  | Disk: Total: 55.00GB Free: 47.00GB 85% | Video: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6200 (rev a1) 1152x864 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 0.89GB Up: 24.54MB
[12:23] <Hobbsee> !prozilla
[12:23] <ubotu> prozilla is, like, totally, a download accelerator for linux.  It is available at http://prozilla.genesys.ro/
[12:23] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: use prozilla
[12:23] <hastesaver> GazzaK, how did you get that?
[12:23] <GazzaK> almost a gig downloads
[12:24] <GazzaK> /sysinfo
[12:24] <spikeb> now if i was the one who said it, there'd be no question about whether it was dirty or not.
[12:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:24] <hastesaver> GazzaK, where exactly did you type sysinfo?
[12:24] <Nookie^> hI! where do i turn off shadow in the menu... where can i find it in kcontrol?
[12:24] <GazzaK> it's a script written by Amaranth,
[12:25] <Hobbsee> hastesaver: into the current window
[12:25] <GazzaK> I type /sysinfo in the box I just typed this in
[12:25] <Hobbsee> only works with konv though
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.15-22-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: MobileIntel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4790 bogomips), , RAM: 578/995MB, 99 proc's, 1.14h up
[12:25] <GazzaK> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.15-22-386 |  AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ 1837.453 MHz | Bogomips: 3677.57 | Mem: 2868/3044M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 54.05G Free: 46.47G | Procs: 78 | Uptime: 1 hr 23 mins 39 secs  | Load: 0.20 0.25 0.21  | Vpenis: 56849.8 in | Screen: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6200 (rev a1) @ 1152x864 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 939.37M Out: 25.36M
[12:25] <GazzaK> is another sysinfo script
[12:26] <hastesaver> so I should use konv if I want to see info about my system? Where does konv get it from?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> true
[12:26] <spikeb> Hobbsee: laptop?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> spikeb: yep
[12:26] <spikeb> Hobbsee: cool :)
[12:27] <shreevatsa> System Information for    [ ubuntuhere ] 
[12:27] <shreevatsa> OS/Kernel                 Linux 2.6.12-10-386
[12:27] <shreevatsa> CPU Info                  Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz 2395.083 Mhz   4734.97 Bogomips
[12:27] <shreevatsa> HD Info                   40GB total storage capacity
[12:27] <shreevatsa> Memory                    184.48/243.031MB
[12:27] <shreevatsa> Processes                 82
[12:27] <shreevatsa> Uptime                    5:56
[12:28] <spikeb> heh
[12:28] <hastesaver> oops, a different script, perhaps
[12:28] <spikeb> that sysinfo sucks
[12:28] <GazzaK> too many lines there :)
[12:28] <spikeb> needs pastebin
[12:28] <spikeb> hehe
[12:28] <shreevatsa> But I used konversation too :|
[12:29] <GazzaK> ah, my script needs xchat
[12:30] <GazzaK> Now Playing: Open Your Eyes - Nalin & Kane by Various Artists from Godskitchen Anthems [UK]  Disc 2 (0:08/5:50)
[12:30] <GazzaK> 40% downloaded now
[12:33] <spikeb> i am going to install kubuntu breezy for my sister sometime this weekend :)
[12:34] <Hobbsee> spikeb: yay :)
[12:34] <GazzaK> I'm gonna insert a live cd in my dad's laptop, he is not a computer person :)  it'll be funny
[12:34] <spikeb> and i think i might just use kubuntu dapper, myself.
[12:34] <spikeb> GazzaK: haha
[12:35] <GazzaK> if my download works this time, i'll be on kubuntu dapper in about an hour or so
[12:36] <spikeb> less - the livecd installer is much faster than the old installer
[12:37] <GazzaK> I am getting the install cd
[12:37] <GazzaK> I want to play with the install :)
[12:37] <spikeb> ahh ok
[12:38] <GazzaK> don't feel confident using a live cd to install from......
[12:42] <khaije> good morning
[12:43] <spikeb> mornin
[12:43] <GazzaK> morning
[12:44] <khaije> is it super-early where you guys are too?
[12:44] <spikeb> yeah it is
[12:45] <spikeb> bbs
[01:02] <GazzaK> brb once i've installed kubuntu
[01:05] <Hobbsee> khaije: it's 9pm here :)
[01:05] <GazzaK> 12 noon here
[01:31] <ilba7r> !easysource
[01:31] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:32] <_jekil> Hy
[01:32] <_jekil> i've the problem..
[01:32] <_jekil> can you help me ?? please ...
[01:33] <_jekil> mmm
[01:56] <fjellrev1> Does the whole xgl and compiz thing work in Kubuntu?
[01:58] <apol> !xgl
[01:58] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[02:00] <fjellrev1> okay,so I need to install dapper atleast. If I do an distro update,do all the plugins,java,flash and all work like it does in breezy ?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> fjellrev1: dapper is not stable until june 1
[02:03] <fjellrev1> I know,but thought it was close to stable atleast.Meesa want compiz and xgl to work
[02:03] <fjellrev1> its not like im going to get pissed off at anyone for doing my own mistakes ;)
[02:09] <Lynoure> fjellrev1: Usually (based on my Debian experience) develepment versions are at their most chaotic soon before they are done
[02:09] <Lynoure> fjellrev1: and at their most stable right after the release :)
[02:10] <___Juan___> Yo people
[02:10] <fjellrev1> Lynoure:  :D thanks for thw warning though..perhaps on a seperate disk just to try it for fun
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> fjellrev1: compiz doesn't work with kde.
[02:11] <Lynoure> fjellrev1: I do use dapper on my laptop, but I'm a bit reckless with my own systems. And so get to live with kpilot problems ect.
[02:11] <octan> howdy all
[02:12] <fjellrev1> Lynoure: okay,thats what I thought,saw all the reference to Gnome,so thought giving my ubuntu cd here a go
[02:12] <octan> has anyone used cryptsetup?
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> fjellrev1: the problem is the kde-window-decorator doesn't work, you can use the gnome one with kde but it really screws up a lot of stuff. It works fine on gnome. :(
[02:15] <fjellrev1> that sucks.cause compiz is about to be the decision for me moving to ubuntu,allthough kubuntu is hot..
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> fjellrev1: it's not worth it. To give up functionality for eye candy.
[02:17] <fjellrev1> I understand what you are getting at,but my use of the computer doesnt go beyond eye candy,downloading and music :)
[02:17] <LeeJunFan> Every time I try gnome, which I did just recently while playing with compiz myself (about a week ago), I get pissed in about 10 mins and switch back to KDE.
[02:17] <fjellrev1> hehe :D
[02:18] <fjellrev1> well,good thing im installing on a seperate disk then
[02:18] <iNiku> anyone else having trouble with opera not always getting focus when switching to the desktop where it's running?
[02:19] <kettenschutz> hi
[02:19] <iNiku> have to click on it, even though I use "focus follows mouse"
[02:19] <cfraz89> compiz works well with kde
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> cfraz89: how do you get the kde-window-decorator to work?
[02:20] <Lynoure> I don't know anything about compiz... but why is it always shown as a cube? would't a huge cylinder work better?
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> everything I've read says it's broke, when I tried it didn't work. And using the gnome one breaks all kinds of stuff like taskbar, systray, etc.
[02:21] <cfraz89> oh you cant use kde-window-decorator
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> cfraz89: right, so it doesn't work well with kde :p
[02:21] <cfraz89> but if you use a newer compiz from other repos the gnome one works fine in kde
[02:22] <cfraz89> with working taskbar and systray and stuff
[02:22] <cfraz89> the one in ubuntu repos is 0.0.6
[02:22] <cfraz89> you can get 0.10 now
[02:22] <LeeJunFan> cfraz89: ah, what repos? I'm running the newest dapper.
[02:22] <cfraz89> add these ones:
[02:23] <cfraz89> deb http://xgl.compiz.info/ dapper main
[02:23] <cfraz89> deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/ dapper main
[02:23] <Ahmuck> i was going to try plone last evening, however i am getting an error in adept
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> cfraz89: sweet, thanks.
[02:23] <cfraz89> if you upgrade xgl and compiz from here, dont forget to upgrade mesa aswell
[02:23] <cfraz89> np
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> I wonder why they don't just update the one in the dapper repos? it's not like it's stable anyway, may as well keep it current even though dapper is frozen right now.
[02:25] <cfraz89> i dont know
[02:25] <Ahmuck> it tells me there is a conflict with plone2 and that it replaces plone2
[02:25] <Ahmuck> so the requested change says BREAK INSTALl
[02:25] <Ahmuck> however, i don't see a plone2 at all in drapper
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> cfraz89: I wonder if it'll work at all with standard ATI drivers? I hate using fglrx because then I can't suspend to RAM.
[02:26] <Ahmuck> so is this package borked or am i doing something wrong ?
[02:26] <cfraz89> LeeJunFan: do the standard ATI drivers give you 3D accel?
[02:27] <LeeJunFan> cfraz89: yeah. That's why I'm thinking they might work, performance is nowhere near as good as fglrx though so it's hard to say if it'll be smooth enough to tolerate.
[02:28] <cfraz89> well i found xgl to be pretty tolerant of bad hardware
[02:28] <imo> hi
[02:30] <jack1> anybody has info about nokia 6230 and its sync capabilities with kontact?
[02:32] <h3sp4wn> jack1: What type of cable are you using ?
[02:33] <jack1> h3sp4wn cable bluetooth infrared; i didnt buy it yet, i just wanna know before i buy
[02:34] <h3sp4wn> jack1: but you already have the phone ?
[02:36] <jack1> h3sp4wn i currently have sony ericsson z600 and nokia 6310i only.i wanna just know before i get that
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> jack1: Bluetooth is pretty unreliable (on the phone)
[02:38] <jack1> h3sp4wn i would get the cable, i am just curious about its sync capabilities with an PIM like kontact
[02:39] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: unreliable on the 6230 specifically?
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> was on mine
[02:40] <iNiku> just curious... I have a 6230i which I sync with ical on my mac over bluetooth with no problems
[02:40] <iNiku> wondering if they improved bluetooth on that
[02:40] <jack1> iNiku i wonder if it worked with kubuntu breezy
[02:41] <iNiku> jack1: well, can't really help you there as I'm running dapper, but I've been meaning to try it out
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> jack1: Its highly dependant on the exact cable you get - The official DKU-5 is completely unsupported by linux , some clone DKU-5 's are supported
[02:41] <jack1> well i am about to get dapper iNiku that wouldnt be the prob
[02:42] <jack1> h3sp4wn but if i get the right cable it should be able to get synced with kandy or multisync?
[02:42] <iNiku> IMNSHO nokia sucks when it comes to compatibility with anything :/
[02:42] <iNiku> jack1: do they specifically state they support the 6230?
[02:43] <jack1> iNiku i tried a sony but imo nokia has by ar the best menu
[02:43] <jack1> iNiku havent found anything about that thats why i asked here
[02:43] <iNiku> jack1: I agree, I've been using nokia phones for years. but connecting them to a pc is a pain, even if you run windows
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> jack1: The proolem is finding the right cable
[02:43] <apol> In your opinion, which is the best phone company for connectivity?
[02:44] <iNiku> I _think_ at least the 6230i supports syncml, which probably means it should be fairly easy to sync with any "standard" calendar app
[02:44] <iNiku> however I've only tried it on mac and there it Just Works, so I haven't looked into the details
[02:45] <jack1> iNiku u dual-boot with mac?
[02:45] <iNiku> jack1: no, I have a macbook at work
[02:46] <iNiku> with bluetooth you won't have the issue of finding the right cable but you may have other issues
[02:46] <iNiku> I was surprised to find file transfers between the phone and kubuntu worked out of the box, though, so you might get lucky
[02:48] <iNiku> hmm, I think I'm going to give it a try.
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> apol: Motorola linux smartphone ? even if it doesn't work at least someone will have got it working
[02:48] <iNiku> jack1: you have any idea about the tools?
[02:51] <iNiku> hmm, sounds like multisync won't talk to kontact
[02:56] <jack1> iNiku sry which tools?
[02:57] <iNiku> jack1: the syncing tools
[02:58] <h3sp4wn> gammu is about the most compatible phone software
[02:58] <h3sp4wn> but its command line and I don't think in ubuntu
[02:58] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: is that the old gnokii?
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> Its a fork more advanced in some ways
[03:00] <iNiku> ah, cool, should probably look into that
[03:00] <iNiku> used to use gnokii before
[03:02] <iNiku> doesn't sound like it would be able to sync stuff between the phone and kontact or similar, though
[03:03] <h3sp4wn> It can set GPRS access points #
[03:03] <h3sp4wn> Even if the software is locked by a specific network to not allow it
[03:06] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: when you changed your network settings to be done from /etc/network/interfaces did you have to have a pre-up sleep otherwise you would not get an ip address (but could with ifdown && ifup)
[03:08] <jack1> iNiku: i had a look at kandy and multisync but i couldnt write a script
[03:13] <marcel__> hi
[03:13] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: not sure I know what you mean?
[03:13] <marcel__> what is the cups username / passwd for admin?
[03:13] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: I didn't need any sleeps
[03:14] <iNiku> , or don't
[03:14] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: I may have found a bug then
[03:14] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: how are you doing it?
[03:14] <iNiku> do you have the wpa-* stuff in interfaces or in a wpa_supplicant config file?
[03:14] <h3sp4wn> wpa-driver madwifi
[03:14] <h3sp4wn> etc in interfaces
[03:15] <iNiku> okay, and no config file?
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> No but that shouldn't make a difference (I did have one but just moved everything away from it)
[03:15] <iNiku> what do you mean, could not get an IP address but could with ifup/down?
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> From bootup I just didn't get an IP (every time)
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> but if i added pre-up sleep 5
[03:16] <iNiku> no, it shouldn't make a difference... the only reason I like to keep the actual configs in a separate config file is that wpa_supplicant should then be able to pick the available network from there and connect automatically
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> then it worked fine
[03:16] <iNiku> if you have several configured, that is
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> I only have one configured (only use one this is a desktop)
[03:17] <iNiku> oh, hmm... sounds like it might take a while for your card to initialize or something
[03:17] <iNiku> but no, I haven't experienced anything like that
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> Works perfectly if I run wpa_supplicant from rcS.d
[03:19] <iNiku> hmm. strange.
[03:27] <jack1> guys
[03:27] <grpcook> hi
[03:27] <jack1> sorry for warming up a topic but
[03:28] <jack1> has anyone of u a mobile that can out of the box be synced with the pim kontact?
[03:28] <jack1> via i dont care
[03:29] <grpcook> can anyone play flashgames online with kubuntu?
[03:31] <samuli> grpcook, yes.
[03:32] <nimatar> !flash
[03:32] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:33] <grpcook> thank you
[03:39] <lagazellen> bonjour tout le monde, juste une question : comment ca marche
[03:39] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, could you look at http://oui.com.br/n/content.php?article.23 and tell me what the last comment means? It seems to be the same problem as mine...
[03:39] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: looking..
[03:41] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: he is assuming you can read bash, of course :)
[03:41] <hastesaver> looks like I just have to install the "right" kernel... but what is it?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: do you have linux-headers-$(uname -r)  ?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: you don't need the full source
[03:42] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, that might be the problem -- uname -r returns 386, and the script installed linux-headers-2.6.12-10-686
[03:42] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, I'll try installing the right headers and try again
[03:42] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: ah yes - he made a mistake using uname -m
[03:43] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: you will need to commnet that out or fix the script to work with 386
[03:43] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: or install an i686 kernel image
[03:44] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, the 686 headers are already installed, should I remove them? Or would installing the i686 kernel image be better/easier?
[03:44] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: install linux-686 I think
[03:44] <thoreauputic> !info linux-686
[03:44] <ubotu> linux-686: (Complete Linux kernel on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.), section restricted/base, is optional. Version: 2.6.12.16 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[03:45] <thoreauputic> that package pulls in all the restricted modules too
[03:45] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: don't forget to reboot before running the script
[03:46] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: uname -m returns the machine architecture/ cpu , not the running kernel type - I think it's a bug in his script
[03:47] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, So I can just replace 'uname -m' in the script by 'uname -r'?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: no
[03:48] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: uname -m returns the cpu
[03:48] <thoreauputic> the one you have
[03:48] <thoreauputic> he is testing to see the kernel needed - but it's the wrong test
[03:48] <Shouryuu> hello, I have a *slight* problem I need help with... I've just installed kubuntu on my laptop, the instalation went fine, but I'm having problem booting kubuntu for the first time... THe first time I try, I see a launcher with written "Installing modules", I then see a blue screen with "installing packages" written in the middle. Once all the packages are installed, my screen just goes dead black, my HDD stops, and nothing happens... Could a
[03:49] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, um, it worked
[03:49] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, I replaced -m by -r, and ran the script again. I also installed the 386 headers
[03:50] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, and it says "InsQEMU SUCCEEDED!", so I assume that's it
[03:50] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, but it also says "When you reboot, the KQEMU accellerator will not load anymore.
[03:50] <hastesaver> But you can add a few lines to a boot script to fix this."
[03:50] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, what does that mean?
[03:51] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: read the bit about modprobing the module etc
[03:51] <hastesaver> ok, is it safe to reboot now? It won't panic because of wrong kernel versions, etc?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: if the script suceeded, go ahead
[03:53] <thoreauputic> *succeeded
[03:53] <Shouryuu> I came here yesterday, some people asked me to edit my nano /etc/atp/sources.list file, uncomment the first line and add "universe multiverse" to it. After that I was asked to run sudo apt-get update, but since I wasn't connected to the net, that failed. I was asked to come back once I had the net, which I now have :P
[03:53] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, thanks, I'll try it now
[04:00] <alois> hi all
[04:00] <alois> just installed breezy badger 5.10 and adept does not start
[04:00] <alois> ... :) but adept updater works
[04:00] <alois> I'd like to know how to install packages. coming from debian and used to aptitude, which isvery nice
[04:00] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, how do I start it now? Just type "sudo qemu"?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: no, you need an image of some kind
[04:00] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: and some command options
[04:00] <v3ctor> you can use aptitude
[04:01] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: you need to have a look at the man page or read the other qemu wiki articles
[04:01] <thoreauputic> !qemu
[04:01] <ubotu> somebody said qemu was an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[04:01] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, I can start from Step 4 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo ?
[04:01] <alois> oh great, sandisk usb stick does not get recognised: media/sda does not exist
[04:02] <Hobbsee> alois: try /media/sda1
[04:02] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: sorry I can't really walk you through it right now - just try a few options. If you have an ISO of something like damnsmalllinux, you can do  qemu -cdrom dsl*.iso -user-net
[04:03] <Shouryuu> anyone?
[04:03] <alois> Hobbsee: /media/usbstick works
[04:03] <Hobbsee> that too...
[04:03] <alois> Hobbsee: but what point is there, that konqueror starts up automatically showing to media:/sda1 and telling me the folder would not exist??
[04:03] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, ok, thanks. :)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> alois: seems that konq rarely gets that right.  is this breezy or dapper?
[04:04] <alois> Hobbsee: breezy. it's 5.10
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Shouryuu: so what are you looking to do?
[04:04] <hastesaver> Shouryuu, run apt-get update again (if that was the last thing you said -- I missed some of it :)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> alois: ah okay..
[04:04] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: you won't break anything by experimenting :) You don't need to use sudo if you follow the instructions on permissions etc
[04:04] <alois> breezy != stable?
[04:04] <Shouryuu> hastesaver yup done that, but now I don't know what to do :S
[04:05] <alois> Hobbsee: this is a bit to worry in my eyes, got it directly from kubuntu.org and if I were someone coming from win and trying kubuntu, this would be a VERY unwanted start: seeingnothing working
[04:05] <Hobbsee> breezy = stable
[04:06] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, I don't care much about breaking things, I want to do all the breaking I can do before I wipe my disk clean and install Dapper :)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> seems that this does seem to work a bit better in dapper though...
[04:06] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: well, qemu is nice for fooling with new stuff - but it is slow as molasses with gnome on anything but a super box...
[04:07] <alois> Hobbsee: this is no excuse, sorry but that makes me angry. It's a simple mistake someone made and many people will suffer from this, and it's even considered stable...
[04:07] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: hence my suggestion to try something light like DSL
[04:07] <jack1> where could i find a list of syncable mobiles in kubuntu with kontact?
[04:07] <tjb891> ok, i have a Belkin 802.11g USB adapter, how do I get that to work ?
[04:08] <alois> also not working: wired interface eth0 does no dhcp automatically
[04:08] <alois> even if /etc/network/interfaces is set correctly(standard) interface eth0 auto dhcp
[04:09] <v3ctor> my sandisk usb stick worked fine on dapper with konqueror
[04:09] <tjb891> can anyone tell me how to add my Belkin USB wireless adapter as a device
[04:09] <Shouryuu> So can anyone help me debug my problem?
[04:10] <v3ctor> what problem?
[04:10] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, you were suggesting to run dsl or run it on top of dsl?
[04:10] <hastesaver> thoreauputic, my Mom insists she wants Windows at home, because she uses it at work, and I'm trying to see how it works under QEmu :)
[04:10] <alois> v3ctor: media://sda1 <-- not found, but it exists /media/usbdisk
[04:11] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: Oh Ok - then run windows and see
[04:11] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: I've never tried it with windows ;)
[04:11] <Shouryuu> v3ctor when trying to boot kubunt for the first time, my screen just goes black, my HDD turns off and nothing happens...
[04:11] <thoreauputic> hastesaver: best is to make an image file as per instructions, then run an install in qemu
[04:12] <gringo> Shouryuu: wich Kubuntu? Breezy or Dapper?
[04:12] <gringo> witch
[04:12] <Shouryuu> Breezy
[04:12] <gringo> Shouryuu: what CPU/RAM/Motherboard?
[04:14] <Shouryuu> gringo http://www.acer.co.th/product/travelmate/Aspire5500/index.htm
[04:15] <gringo> Shouryuu: have you tried dapper?
[04:15] <Shouryuu> Nope
[04:15] <gringo> Shouryuu: try it ;)
[04:16] <Shouryuu> I'll find it on kubuntu.com?
[04:16] <pocket> bonjour
[04:17] <Shouryuu> slt
[04:19] <pocket> je debute
[04:19] <pocket> et je vien de virer windows
[04:20] <pocket> c'est vrai que cela fait du bien
[04:20] <hastesaver> !fr
[04:20] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:20] <pocket> mercui bocoup
[04:22] <Shouryuu> anyone have any other suggestions that would fix my problem while I'm downloading Dapper?
[04:40] <joscha> hi i have a problem with libkatepart.la/katepart.la
[04:40] <joscha> konqueror says it can't find katepart.la in path
[04:40] <joscha> when opening a txt file in a tab for example
[04:41] <joscha> can't open files in kdevelop too
[04:41] <joscha> there is no katepart.la in /usr/lib/kde3 but a libkdepart.la
[04:43] <joscha> using current dapper release
[04:44] <apol> joscha: perhaps you should upgrade...
[04:44] <joscha> apol: all packages are up2date
[04:45] <jack1> iNiku  if i wanna buy a cable to get my nokia 6310i synced which one should i choose?
[04:49] <Shouryuu> anyone have any other suggestions that would fix my problem while I'm downloading Dapper?
[05:04] <ajross_> hello
[05:04] <ParaGuy> howdy
[05:06] <ajross_> anyone know how many flights left until actual release?
[05:11] <mart> yay, flight 7 _finally_ installed.  took me 7 attempts, until I realised that maybe I needed to use a different CD drive.
[05:12] <ParaGuy> can anyone help me with a kubuntu for amd64 install?
[05:14] <mart> ParaGuy: I've just done one last night.
[05:14] <ParaGuy> mine keeps stopping at installing grub boot loader
[05:14] <ParaGuy> I've tried both the cd and dvid versions of the downloader
[05:15] <mart> ParaGuy: did you pick the partitions yourself?
[05:15] <ParaGuy> no I let it choose for me.. I am doing a clean install on a new system
[05:16] <mart> ParaGuy: do you know what kind of partitions they are?
[05:16] <ParaGuy> I am getting ready to start it again I can read it off to you in a min
[05:18] <ParaGuy> would install on a sata hd cause problems?
[05:18] <nox-Hand> I need xine and gstreamer - the newest that are not in adept. How would I get that?
[05:18] <mart> ParaGuy: no, that's what I have here.
[05:18] <mart> ParaGuy: you know you can press Alt-F4 during the installation to see some debug output
[05:18] <mart> ?
[05:19] <mart> oh, that's in the text-mode installer, not sure what you're using.
[05:19] <ParaGuy> ok.. I chose the otpion erase entire disk and use LVM: SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sda) -163.9 GB ATA
[05:20] <mart> ok
[05:21] <ParaGuy> I can't get the live cd to work as well
[05:22] <mart> ParaGuy: you're using the text mode installer right now?
[05:23] <ParaGuy> no I guess this is graphical.. I didn't know there was a switch for text or graphic
[05:23] <mart> er... is it blue and box-ey?
[05:23] <ParaGuy> yes
[05:23] <mart> sounds like text mode.
[05:24] <mart> so, when it gets to install grub..., what's the error on the Alt-F4 screen?
[05:24] <ParaGuy> I'm at the part where it says installing base system now
[05:24] <mart> ok
[05:29] <joscha> why is the kdelibs-package called kdelibs4?
[05:29] <Shouryuu> hello, I have a *slight* problem I need help with... I've just installed kubuntu on my laptop, the instalation went fine, but I'm having problem booting kubuntu for the first time... THe first time I try, I see a launcher with written "Installing modules", I then see a blue screen with "installing packages" written in the middle. Once all the packages are installed, my screen just goes dead black, my HDD stops, and nothing happens... Could a
[05:30] <mart> joscha: historical reasons, if I recall correctly :)
[05:30] <ParaGuy> mart it completed it this time haha
[05:30] <mart> ParaGuy: weird. oh well.
[05:30] <joscha> mart: will kde4 then called kde5? ;)
[05:30] <macd> Shouryuu: you reinstalled!
[05:30] <ParaGuy> I guess the 10th try is the charm
[05:31] <mart> joscha: er, the kde4 libraries will probably be packaged as kdelibs5, yes
[05:32] <Shouryuu> macd I've reinstalled and made my wireless work this time :P
[05:33] <Shouryuu> But I'm still having the exact same problem =(
[05:33] <macd> great, now thats the error your getting on boot? have you let it sit for a while?
[05:33] <Shouryuu> No error at all. Just a black screen. No HDD activty what so ever... I've left it as is for about 1h and nothing changed...
[05:34] <macd> hmmm, hit crtl+c next time
[05:34] <ajross_> hey - do anyone know what the package/plugin is to make konqueror use xine/(k)mplayer for in-browser movies rather than kaffeine - kaffeine still seems severely broken on my system.
[05:34] <macd> I bet its hanging on something, if so that would break it
[05:35] <Shouryuu> macd Ok going to give that a try
[05:35] <macd> ajross_: in konquerers settigs you can specify the default program to load each mimie type with.
[05:35] <macd> mime*
[05:35] <ajross_> thanx macd but i want an in-browser plugin, rather than an external program launched
[05:35] <ajross_> like konqueror-kaffeine-plugin or whatever it was called
[05:36] <mart> ajross_: that setting is there also
[05:36] <ajross_> ok ill have a look
[05:36] <mart> ajross_: check "Embedding" for the relevant mime type in File associations
[05:36] <Shouryuu> macd That does nothing...
[05:36] <macd> :/
[05:37] <mart> !mp3
[05:37] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:39] <macd> Shouryuu: does it get the the screen where grub allows you to press <esc> for more boot options?
[05:39] <nox-Hand> laters
[05:39] <Shouryuu_> Sorry got dc'd
[05:39] <macd> Shouryuu: does it get the the screen where grub allows you to press <esc> for more boot options?
[05:40] <Shouryuu_> yes
[05:40] <macd> have you tried the failsafe option?
[05:40] <Shouryuu_> Isn't there :S
[05:40] <ParaGuy> mart how do I get it to go into the gui now?
[05:40] <Shouryuu_> only normal,. recovery and memtest
[05:40] <ParaGuy> I'm at the login and I logged in ok
[05:40] <mart> ParaGuy: it should reboot to a graphical login screen, no?
[05:41] <mart> (unless you picked 'server' install)
[05:41] <ParaGuy> no it is at a prompt
[05:41] <ParaGuy> nope didn't pick server install
[05:41] <Shouryuu_> someone hinted that it might be a video driver problem... But I don't know how to update it and don't know what to do once that's done...
[05:41] <mart> uh oh.
[05:41] <ParaGuy> it says ubuntu login then password
[05:41] <macd> I think its a module failing, but as to why it would lock up "hard" I dont know
[05:42] <mart> ParaGuy: on a black screen?
[05:42] <ParaGuy> yes
[05:42] <macd> Im sorry to see you have so many problems to be honest Shouryuu_
[05:42] <ajross_> macd / mart - I am trying to view http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/lca2006_tvclip.xvid.avi and i have just changed the meta types to use kmplayer, however it still uses kaffeine and refuses to play. Any ideas?
[05:42] <mart> ParaGuy: something must have gone wrong with the install, I guess
[05:43] <Shouryuu_> macd Hehe it's not your fault :P
[05:43] <mart> ajross_: you're saying that kmplayer is at the top of the list in the embedding tab?
[05:44] <mart> sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.10-plugins-{good,bad,ugly}   :)
[05:44] <ajross_> I am having difficulty locating Embedding tab in Konqueror. I was using File Associations in the Konqueror Preferences menu. Where is embedding?
[05:44] <ajross_> i have all gstreamer plugins thx
[05:44] <mart> on that tab
[05:44] <ajross_> nope its not there
[05:44] <mart> nah, I just thought it was a funny command
[05:45] <ParaGuy> i restarted and now I'm at the kubuntu load screen it is saying everything is ok
[05:45] <ajross_> menu title reads Configure - Konqueror
[05:45] <mart> ajross_: pick a mime type,  click on it in the Known types pane, and on the right, there are two tabs, General and Embedding
[05:46] <ajross_> ahh
[05:46] <ajross_> thanx!
[05:46] <ajross_> it's using kaboodle - not kaffeine.
[05:46] <ajross_> I'll have a play and see how I get on.
[05:46] <ajross_> thanks
[05:46] <mart> ajross_: I think you can use the ? "what is help" for that dialog
[05:47] <mart> (the ? next to the window close box)
[05:48] <ajross_> thats fixed it :) wonderful - i've been trying to fix that for months!! Just not been looking hard enough.
[05:49] <ParaGuy> mart now it gets to *checking battery state...     ler... [ok then it stops every time
[05:49] <mart> ParaGuy: what CD did you install from?  which version?
[05:50] <ParaGuy> kubuntu-5.10-dvd-amd64.iso
[05:50] <DiabloDue_> Moin
[05:50] <mart> ParaGuy: your installation definitely sounds broken :(
[05:51] <DiabloDue_> Infobash: Error in colorscheme, or unknown parameter: -h
[05:51] <DiabloDue_> CPU[AMD Athlon XP clocked at 1837.622 Mhz]   Kernel[Linux 2.6.16.14-kanotix-1 i686]   Up[-5:03-]   Mem[-292.688/1010.13MB-]   HDD[-190GB(12%used)-]   Procs[-101-]   Client[Konversation 0.19] 
[05:51] <ParaGuy> mart I just downloaded regular ubuntu I guess I will try and install that
[05:53] <DiabloDue_> Host/Kernel/OS  "TomsTuxBox" running Linux 2.6.16.14-kanotix-1 i686 [ KANOTIX 2006 Easter ] 
[05:53] <DiabloDue_> CPU Info        AMD Athlon XP clocked at [ 1837.622 MHz ] 
[05:53] <DiabloDue_> Videocard       ATI RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]   X.Org 7.0.0  [ 1280x1024 @75hz ] 
[05:53] <DiabloDue_> Processes 101 | Uptime 5:05 | Memory 305.852/1010.13MB | HDD Size 160GB (2%used) | GLX Renderer Mesa DRI R300 20040924 AGP 1x TCL | GLX Version 1.2 Mesa 6.4.1 | Client Konversation 0.19 | Infobash v2.50rc10
[05:53] <mart> DiabloDue_: kanotix?  are you sure you're in the right channel?
[05:53] <DiabloDue_> mart: ;)
[05:53] <mart> and stop posting that stuff
[05:53] <DiabloDue_> omg
[05:57] <iNiku> anyone using opera on kubuntu? it often won't get keyboard focus when I switch to the desktop it's running on
[05:57] <iNiku> I have to click it even though I have focus follows mouse enabled
[05:58] <iNiku> any ideas?
[05:58] <Shouryuu_> I begeth someone to help me!
[05:58] <ajross_> what is your problem Shouryuu_ ?
[06:00] <macd> iNiku: yeah I have the same problem
[06:00] <macd> did you get flash working in opera by chance?
[06:01] <Shouryuu_> I've just installed kubuntu, and on it's first boot the screen just goes black after installing modules
[06:01] <ajross_> what sort of monitor are you using Shouryuu_
[06:02] <Shouryuu_> Just a 14" TFT laptop screen
[06:02] <ajross_> do you have another monitor?
[06:03] <Shouryuu_> nope =(
[06:03] <ajross_> hmm
[06:03] <ajross_> can you reboot the laptop and keep tapping ESC when the GRUB bootloader is starting..
[06:03] <gringo> Shouryuu_: how does it look?
[06:04] <ajross_> you should get up the GRUB boot menu
[06:04] <ajross_> basically its just before linux starts up
[06:04] <gringo> Shouryuu_: i mean: does it work with dapper?
[06:04] <ajross_> what do you mean does it work with dapper?
[06:04] <Shouryuu_> Still not done dl =( SLooow connection
[06:05] <macd> gringo: obviously he does not know yet, "screen just goes blank"
[06:05] <Shouryuu_> ajross_ Yeah I have the GRUB launcher when I turn my coimputer turns on
[06:05] <ajross_> ok press esc to get into the grub menu
[06:05] <ajross_> let me know when you get there
[06:05] <gringo> ajross_, macd: I adviced him to try it with dapper instead of Breezy
[06:06] <ajross_> yeah Shouryuu_ - i would advise the same as Gringo  - drivers are better in Dapper than Breezy
[06:06] <ajross_> however, we can try this first
[06:06] <macd> I don't really agree with that statement
[06:06] <macd> Ive been unable to make wifi work since dapper, force removing modules, removing madwifi, using ndis, no avail.
[06:06] <ajross_> well, it's more up to date and there have been a lot of changes to usplash and stuff like that
[06:07] <macd> that I definetly agree with :)
[06:07] <gringo> macd: wlan runs wonderful using Dapper
[06:07] <macd> not here.
[06:07] <macd> madwifi on my card kills my AP, ndiswrapper has no problems.
[06:08] <gringo> macd: i solved my problem by unhiding the ssid and using KNetworkManager
[06:08] <macd> I'll give that a shot, but my ssid is already broadcasted
[06:08] <gringo> hm k
[06:09] <iNiku> macd: which card?
[06:09] <macd> Proxim silver, pcmcia, atheros based.
[06:09] <gringo> I'll have a try with my DLink Card (Atheros)
[06:09] <iNiku> macd: so it works with ndiswrapper but madwifi kills your AP?
[06:09] <macd> yeah, its the oddest thing
[06:09] <iNiku> what kind of AP?
[06:10] <macd> Cisco
[06:10] <gringo> just plugged in
[06:10] <iNiku> I've heard of that before, some people had that problem with the new macbooks
[06:10] <macd> windows side does the same, if I use the cards drivers the AP will die, if I use the generic atheros driver its fine
[06:10] <iNiku> and several kinds of (generally cheapo) access points
[06:10] <macd> yeah well this one definetly wasnt cheap :/
[06:11] <macd> reverse that statement on windows.
[06:11] <gringo> hmm KNW has discovered my accesspoint using the atheros chipset
[06:11] <iNiku> macd: sounds like the AP sucks, which is a little weird for Cisco... although Cisco stuff has been known to be extremely compatible, as long as the other equipment is Cisco too
[06:11] <macd> I never had a lick of trouble till dapper, the ndiswrapper with proxim drivers worked flawlessly
[06:11] <iNiku> macd: have you checked for firmware upgrades for the cisco?
[06:11] <macd> unfourtunatly, now it will only load the atheros driver, not the ndiw one
[06:12] <macd> iNiku: oh yeah its up2date
[06:12] <iNiku> macd: you should be able to blacklist madwifi and use ndiswrapper instead?
[06:12] <macd> I did that as well
[06:12] <Shouryuu_> Ok done downloading, what program should I use to burn that ISO?
[06:12] <iNiku> macd: and?
[06:12] <macd> still loads the atheros one.
[06:13] <iNiku> macd: uhm. you're saying module blacklisting doesn't work?
[06:13] <gringo> Shouryuu_: ? What did you use to burn Breezy?
[06:13] <macd> yeah.
[06:13] <iNiku> macd: what did you put in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
[06:13] <Shouryuu_> Nero, but that was on my other computer, the one that's borked :P
[06:13] <macd> fglrx blacklisted just fine.
[06:13] <ocelots_s> where i am ?
[06:13] <ocelots_s> what's this shit??!!!
[06:13] <gringo> Shouryuu_: so what system do you have that is running?
[06:14] <iNiku> macd: I believe you should blacklist ath_hal, ath_pci and possibly ath_rate_sample
[06:14] <ocelots_s> and why do you speak english?
[06:14] <Shouryuu_> gringo Just windows XP, no nero here =(
[06:14] <macd> I'll give that a shot , brb
[06:14] <iNiku> ocelots_s: huh?
[06:14] <ocelots_s> est ce qqun parle francais?
[06:14] <iNiku> !fr
[06:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:14] <Shouryuu_> oui
[06:14] <Shouryuu_> voila
[06:15] <gringo> Shouryuu_: get some trial/free burning software
[06:15] <Shouryuu_> any advice? :P
[06:15] <gringo> Shouryuu_: this one looks fine:http://www.cdburnerxp.se/
[06:15] <Shouryuu_> Thanks :p
[06:18] <macd> iNiku: I'll let you know what happens, apparently Im needed to dig a hole for a new mailbox
[06:18] <macd> damn domesticated work.
[06:18] <iNiku> macd: haha
[06:18] <iNiku> have fun :)
[06:18] <iNiku> and yeah, let me know, I'm curious
[06:19] <mart> wah!! kweather is broken?
[06:19] <gringo> anybody expirienced in setting up AIGLX? :D
[06:26] <raf> why Konqueror doesn't shows the Window menu as default?
[06:27] <apol> raf: window menu? what window menu?
[06:28] <raf> I've read in some websites that Konqueror has a split feature
[06:29] <raf> that split feature is in Window > Split
[06:29] <raf> but I can't see the Windoe menu nor Autostart, and some many stuff
[06:30] <mart> raf: see the faq entry on kubuntu.org
[06:33] <raf> mart: ok, thanks
[06:56] <rnunes> ola
[06:59] <litb> are there tools in kubuntu to help configuring Xorg and the network etc?
[06:59] <mart> um, yes, but it normally just works
[07:02] <rnunes> i'm new in this stuf
[07:03] <rnunes> i install kubunt last thursday but i don't understand this very mutch
[07:03] <Lynoure> rnunes: Everyone was new at some point. :)
[07:03] <Lynoure> rnunes: Are you new to Linux in general, as well?
[07:03] <rnunes> can we insstal programs and how can we do it?
[07:04] <rnunes> yes
[07:04] <Lynoure> There is Add/Remove Programs in the K-menu. Can you find it?
[07:04] <litb> mart: hwow are they called?
[07:05] <mart> litb: well, it depends what you're trying to do.
[07:05] <litb> hm, just another question: is kubuntu 6 beta 2 ready to install or are there grave known bugs?
[07:05] <rnunes> i cant find it
[07:05] <litb> mart: i try to config X
[07:05] <mart> litb: is X already running?
[07:05] <litb> and i try to chhange the pcs resolution
[07:05] <mart> ah.
[07:05] <litb> yes, it is running lets say :D
[07:05] <Lynoure> rnunes: Do you see a bar/panel at the edge of the screen with icons on it?
[07:05] <litb> and then i want to change the DSL provider to go into the internet
[07:06] <mart> litb: K menu->System Settings->Display
[07:06] <rnunes> yes
[07:06] <litb> hm i mean change xorg.conf
[07:06] <mart> litb: doesn't it change xorg.conf?
[07:06] <litb> is that a program provided by kubuntu or by upstream kde?
[07:06] <mart> it's called guidance
[07:06] <litb> i have here also such a program called like this
[07:07] <litb> but if you say, then i believe :D
[07:07] <Lynoure> rnunes: the leftmost of those icons should open up a menu. and the entry for adding and removing programs should be perhaps half way. (I have dapper installed, so if you are using the stable version, breezy, things might be slightly different)
[07:07] <mart> litb: well, try it rather than taking my word for it
[07:08] <litb> i'Ve a gye and he wants to know what is the optimal linux distri for him
[07:08] <litb> he isa noob
[07:08] <litb> and whine if he gets in touch with files like /etc/passwd :D
[07:08] <RavenTest> What is the command for locking your desktop screen?
[07:08] <litb> s/gye/guy/
[07:08] <mart> litb: then it doesn't matter whether it changes xorg.conf at all then does it?  all he needs to know is that you can change screen res.
[07:09] <litb> but for example if he wants 1280 and there is only 1024 max in the xorg.conf ?
[07:09] <litb> and is there a tool for configuring the network?
[07:10] <litb> like subnetmask ip and dns server?
[07:10] <mart> yes, but again, that's normally automatically done by the dhcp server
[07:10] <litb> then my last question: are there any grave known bugs in beta2 of v6 ?
[07:10] <Lynoure> Hmm, ow do I define how are my desktops arranged.? I could find where to set how many I have but I want 3x3 not 2x4+1
[07:10] <mart> litb: if 1280 isn't in the xorg.conf after install, then it's likely that the monitor doesn't support it.
[07:11] <litb> well, he could have changed his monitor...
[07:11] <mart> litb: X detects monitor at startup
[07:11] <mart> DDC or whatever it's called now
[07:11] <Lynoure> rnunes: Did you find it now? If not there are other ways, or someone with the same version you have can help you out.
[07:11] <litb> ah fine; and for networks? :D
[07:12] <mart> [18:11]  <mart> yes, but again, that's normally automatically done by the dhcp server
[07:12] <rnunes> there's nothinng with that name
[07:12] <rnunes> i have the kubuntu v5
[07:12] <litb> yeah DDC(?) is bad. at least with nvidia driver if i have my monitor off when X starts, i get a very low resolution until i reset X with monitor switched on :)
[07:13] <Lynoure> rnunes: That's what I tend to call Breezy :)
[07:13] <litb> i mean dapper
[07:13] <mart> litb: then turn your monitor on before X starts.
[07:13] <rnunes> :)
[07:13] <litb> well, i forget that sometimes lol
[07:13] <mart> litb: it can't auto-detect something that doesn't even have power.
[07:13] <rnunes> sorry i didn't knew
[07:14] <litb> mart: then it should fall-back to config defaults
[07:14] <mart> litb: and doesn't it?
[07:14] <Lynoure> rnunes: It's ok, the terminology can be confusing at first.
[07:14] <mart> on kubuntu?
[07:14] <litb> no, it doesn't
[07:14] <litb> i have official upstream Xorg
[07:14] <mart> litb: hmm, mine starts fine if my monitor is off
[07:14] <rnunes> just a little bit:)
[07:14] <litb> so it's likely your X is borked too :)
[07:15] <mart> litb: hey, mine is the one that works
[07:15] <litb> then youre driving 800x600 ?
[07:15] <mart> nope
[07:15] <Lynoure> Someone must be able to tell where a breezy user goes to get a pretty graphical installer for packages? (Please, I only have dapper myself...)
[07:15] <litb> how you tested it?
[07:16] <litb> hmm, then perhaps nvidia driver is broken
[07:16] <mart> yes, it has known DDC issues.
[07:16] <mart> litb: are you actually running kubuntu?
[07:16] <litb> no :)
[07:16] <mart> * sigh *
[07:16] <litb> that's why i'm so damning interested ^^
[07:17] <litb> till now i drive my own system
[07:17] <mart> litb: in kubuntu, it's not normally necessary to apply all your uber-geek X skills
[07:17] <mart> hence, I've forgotten most of it.
[07:18] <litb> my system runs for more than 2 years now
[07:18] <mart> wow.  I care.
[07:18] <Lynoure> rnunes: There _is_ a pretty graphical way, I just don't know where it is on your version as I am new to Ubuntu too, just not new to linux
[07:19] <litb> but with having kde3.5.SVN and initng0.6.5 and kernel2.6.16 :)
[07:19] <Lynoure> rnunes: If you want, I can tell you how I install things in a non-graphical way...
[07:19] <spikeb> why does kubuntu install both kmplayer and kaffeine?
[07:19] <rnunes> for is any way
[07:19] <rnunes> i want to lear
[07:19] <mart> litb: it hasn't been running for 2 years if you have 2.6.16, surely?
[07:19] <rnunes> i want to learn
[07:20] <litb> yeah, that's an issue too. how about playing .wmv and css encrypted files in ubuntu? is it easy to install those applications in reality?
[07:20] <mart> !restrictedformats
[07:20] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[07:20] <mart> litb: or use easyubuntu.
[07:21] <litb> whoops, that looks like much work. but much fewer work than compiling that stuff myself, i can remember... :)
[07:22] <Lynoure> rnunes: This might also help you: http://kudos.berlios.de/
[07:23] <mart> litb: not if you use easyubuntu
[07:23] <rnunes> thks
[07:23] <spikeb> easyubuntu is nice, although the folks behind it are a bit bitchy when it comes to feature requests heh
[07:23] <Lynoure> rnunes: oops, just noticed it's for kubuntu 4.x, and probably somewhat outdated.
[07:24] <goldenear> there is also easykubuntu IIRC
[07:24] <mart> spikeb: they also suck because they wont put their real names in the source - who'd trust code by someone who didn't want to put their name to their code :(
[07:24] <Lynoure> rnunes: But the Synaptic part might still be useful and what you are looking for
[07:25] <spikeb> mart: that i can't blame them for, actually
[07:25] <spikeb> mart: if they live in the US, remaining anonymous is good
[07:25] <rnunes> :)
[07:25] <mart> spikeb: I think the dev in question is french.
[07:26] <spikeb> bah
[07:26] <mart> (emphasis on *think*)
[07:27] <CyberSix> maybe he just doesn't want to be bothered with questions?
[07:27] <mart> he gives his email address
[07:28] <mart> besides, users don't normally look in source code for people to email.
[07:28] <litb> wow, does easyubuntu also install dev packages?
[07:28] <litb> so i can compile the newest kaffeine for example myself?
[07:28] <RavenTest> Is there a xlock command in Kubuntu or what would be it's equal to lock the screen??
[07:29] <Lynoure> RavenTest: At least on dapper there is, I bet on breezy too
[07:29] <mart> litb: no, for that you'd do apt-get builddep kaffine, to get the build dependencies
[07:29] <Lynoure> You can choose a screensaver to lock the screen automatically, or choose Lock session from K menu
[07:29] <litb> hmm, u know i'm a ubuntu noob. that comand would install xine-dev and libxine-dev and X-dev and thelike?
[07:30] <Lynoure> So, I cannot arrange the virtual desktops into a square?
[07:30] <litb> and libdvdcss-dev?
[07:30] <mart> litb: but it's really easier just to wait until it's packaged, the kubuntu team are very good with that stuff.
[07:30] <RavenTest> Lynoure: What would be the command line for Lock then?
[07:30] <litb> ok, maybe.. :D
[07:30] <mart> litb: it'd get everything needed to build the package, except build-essential
[07:30] <mart> litb: yes, they are.
[07:32] <Lynoure> RavenTest: sorry, that I don't know, I just added mine to panel and use it from there
[07:32] <RavenTest> ok thanks Lynoure
[07:33] <mart> spikeb: oh, and while I'm at it, the easyubuntu code is really hard to read.  If I was marking it, I would drop marks for coding style.
[07:33] <spikeb> mart: hehe
[07:34] <Delicate_Shadow> hi guys
[07:34] <Delicate_Shadow> can someone help me with the Fn keys ??? for my laptop
[07:34] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: What exactly do you need to know?
[07:35] <Delicate_Shadow> I can only start the WIFI using the Fn keys in Windows
[07:35] <Delicate_Shadow> so I need to know how to start it in Linux !!!
[07:35] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: What notebook do you have?
[07:36] <Delicate_Shadow> LG LM50a
[07:36] <CyberSix> coldplug should start it, no?
[07:37] <Delicate_Shadow> I don't know !!! CyberSix
[07:38] <Delicate_Shadow> any suggestions guys ?
[07:38] <CyberSix> does your laptop see the card? 'lspci'
[07:38] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: Settings -> Regional&...-> Input Actions
[07:39] <Delicate_Shadow> how can I find out ?
[07:40] <Delicate_Shadow> 0000:02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05)
[07:40] <litb> anyone here is drining the beta?
[07:40] <litb> driving*
[07:40] <mart> yup
[07:40] <litb> is it stable for daily desktop use ?
[07:40] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: Open KDE-Menu, select run. Enter 'kcontrol'
[07:41] <gringo> litb: yep
[07:41] <Delicate_Shadow> done gringo
[07:41] <mart> works for me, remember the adage "don't use development versions on production machines"
[07:41] <Delicate_Shadow> then what ?
[07:41] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: Open the Regional & Accessibility
[07:42] <Delicate_Shadow> ok ...
[07:42] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: then go to Keyboard Shortcuts and try to get it running while i am googleing ;)
[07:42] <Delicate_Shadow> gatta go ... sorry
[07:42] <Delicate_Shadow> I'll be back in 10
[07:43] <Delicate_Shadow> ok ok
[07:43] <Delicate_Shadow> I'll see what I can do
[07:43] <Delicate_Shadow> thanx pal
[07:43] <gringo> kay :)
[07:44] <richard> Finally got Kubuntu 6.06 64-bit installed and working. ... . . very good. ...
[07:45] <CyberSix> gnarly ;] 
[07:45] <gringo> richard: nice :D
[07:46] <richard> It is indeed nice. .. .up to now I've been disappointed with Kubuntu, but they seemed to fix alot of their problems with this distro. ...
[07:47] <richard> I've been running Mepis with my other 32-bit machine and thought I'd give Kubuntu another try on my 64-bit machine. ...
[07:47] <gringo> richard: DapperDrake aka 6.06 is really one of the best choices out there
[07:48] <gringo> richard: don't get worried about the missing flash-plugin in firefox. ;)
[07:48] <richard> Mepis isn't bad. They made hudge improvements with their distro because they are using ubuntu/kubuntu repositories now. . ..
[07:49] <richard> I've got Firefox installed on this system now. ...not much of a konqueror fan (especially when on the Internet). ..firefox is much faster and offers more plugin programs. ...
[07:50] <Shouryuu> ~lart shouryuu
[07:50] <Shouryuu> whooooopppps wrong channel
[07:50] <gringo> richard: i have the same oppinion about this. but as I said the flash plugin for 64bit is missing :(
[07:50] <mart> hmm, the only firefox plugins I've ever needed are the ones to implement stuff that firefox doesn't have, but konq does :)
[07:50] <richard> Some of the things I've noticed that Kubuntu has fixed has been (1) wireless issues (2) printer issues (3) screen mode resolution issures. . . .
[07:52] <richard> What I mean about program plugins for firefox (i.e. fasterfox, weatherforecast, adblock etc.)....
[07:53] <mart> richard: sure, but kde already has weather stuff, adblock stuff,....
[07:53] <mart> (dunno what 'fasterfox' is)
[07:53] <richard> I'm going to install Ubuntu (gnome) 64-bit on my second hard drive of this computer in a while so I can dual boot either. . ..
[07:54] <richard> Fasterfox is a program plugin that will turbocharge your webbrowsing speed. ...
[07:54] <richard> Check it out if you haven't. ...
[07:55] <mart> hmm... I've used those things before.
[07:55] <richard> How many 64-bit user's out here?
[07:55] <richard> What you got?
[07:56] <mart> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
[07:56] <mart> apparently
[07:56] <richard> I'm running the same processor on my machine
[07:56] <richard> Asus motherboard
[07:56] <mart> oh, mine is some lame nvidia rubbish.
[07:57] <richard> I'm really suprised everything seems to be working on this machine of mine finally with Kubuntu. . ..I've always had more luck with Ubuntu though til now. ...
[07:58] <Benix> Hi, I just installed Kubuntu live 6.06 LTS Dapper Drake Flight 7. But starting the hd-installation always fails. The bootsplash disappears after configuring network ... and the last two kernel echos are: Entering runlevel 7: No more processes in this runlevel
[07:58] <gringo> mart: I use: proxy switch, web-dev tools, adblock (auto synced), measure it, colorpick, and many more
[07:58] <mart> richard: I always considered the fact that it installed gnome to be pretty unlucky on my part :)
[07:59] <mart> gringo: yeah, again, most of these things are in kde.
[07:59] <mart> measureit?  I use kruler.
[07:59] <mart> colorpick? kcoloredit.
[07:59] <richard> Gnome always worked for me even when Identifying and working with my wifi card. ..
[07:59] <mart> adblock.  well, adblock.
[07:59] <gringo> Benix: Tell us more about your hardware :)
[07:59] <Benix> gringo: how many lines can I paste here?
[07:59] <gringo> !pastbin
[07:59] <ubotu> gringo: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:59] <gringo> !pastebin
[07:59] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[08:00] <Benix> k
[08:00] <gringo> :)
[08:00] <richard> Good taking to all of you. ...going to now install Ubuntu on my 2nd hard drive. . ..
[08:00] <gringo> mart: this is what I love using Linux: You have the choice :D
[08:00] <mart> yeah... I need to put kdesvn on a second harddrive.
[08:01] <_icke> hi
[08:01] <Benix> gringo: http://kanotix.pastebin.com/715606
[08:01] <gringo> Benix: can you do a apt-get update, apt-get upgrade?
[08:02] <Benix> gringo: I told kubuntu to set language to german. Could this be a problem as there is no native kde-i18n-de
[08:02] <Benix> gringo: no, no loginshell appears. But chroot is possible
[08:02] <Benix> gringo: tried it few hours ago, but X didn't start either. Now it is a fresh install again
[08:02] <mart> Benix: lack of language packs is probably not the issue
[08:02] <gringo> Benix: Switch to console and do an upgrade
[08:03] <Benix> gringo: can't switch to any console
[08:03] <_icke> i fear i did something bad; I had troubles logging in. Someone suggested that My partition was too full, so I checked and this was true, it was 100% full. So I checked apt-get for any usefull femoval things and I noticed "apt-get clean" which supposedly would clean downloaded archives.
[08:03] <Benix> mart: hm,. ok
[08:03] <gringo> Benix: Why don't can that?
[08:03] <gringo> Benix: ctrl+alt+f1 for example
[08:04] <Benix> gringo: Because the system doesn't load any loginshell.
[08:04] <Benix> gringo: Yes, I know how to change a tty. Only tty1 and tty8 are present, but don't recognize any key-hits
[08:04] <_icke> now I have 1,6 GB free again and can log in @ the loginscreen, but some stuff is messed up; For example, the desktop/kicker does not load and my windows do not have any edges :
[08:05] <Lynoure> I found the way
[08:05] <_icke> did the "apt-get clean" throw away too much :S ?
[08:05] <mart> _icke: more likely your settings were corrupted because they couldn't be written.
[08:05] <Lynoure> _icke: It does not remove any installed stuff
[08:05] <_icke> thank god Lynoure
[08:06] <gringo> Benix: have you tried to use the recovery mode?
[08:06] <_icke> ill try a reboot
[08:06] <mart> _icke: it removes stuff from /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:06] <Benix> gringo: Well, kubuntu didn't install grub so I needed to use my "own" grub
[08:06] <_icke> but Mart, does that explain the weirdness i experience?
[08:06] <Benix> gringo: I was wondering why the installer didn't asked my to use lilo or grub
[08:07] <Benix> s/my/me
[08:07] <mart> _icke: no, but an overfull disk explains any weirdness.
[08:07] <Lynoure> _icke: It only gets rid of old installation packages. So it is pretty safe to do, I've only regretted it once (did it before testing that the new updates were fine and one of them broke my network... and at that point I did not have the installation file for the old versio anymore and had to get it on a floppy)
[08:07] <_icke> yes, but it is not overfull anymore
[08:07] <mart> Benix: I think you only get a choice in expert mode?
[08:08] <Benix> mart: possible. Didn't know that there is an expert mode ;)
[08:08] <gringo> mart: hmm no the installer asked me about grub installer in basic mode
[08:08] <gringo> installer/installation
[08:08] <mart> oh, right.  I heard they'd moved it.  I assumed it only asked because I was using XFS partitions.
[08:08] <Benix> gringo: I tried to install kubuntu today three times. It never asked me for grub or lilo
[08:08] <Benix> mart: I use xfs, too
[08:08] <Ahmuck> does kubuntu come with comiler tools :?
[08:08] <mart> yep
[08:09] <Ahmuck> compiler ?
[08:09] <Icke2> it does?
[08:09] <mart> sudo aptitude install build-essentials
[08:09] <melkor> Does anybody here use auctex?
[08:09] <evert_> hello , i'm having a little problem ... i can't get in X any more :( , since i tried to get 2 monitors working
[08:09] <mart> oh, not by defalt, if that's what you mean.
[08:09] <mart> melkor: sure.
[08:10] <mart> melkor: emacs-snapshot, preview-latex, tetex-extra seems to get everything I need for latex.
[08:10] <melkor> I've installed it but I ddon't what binary files to run
[08:10] <gringo> Benix: is there another Linux installed?
[08:10] <Benix> gringo: There has been a debianinstallation just before, but I removed it with mkfs.xfs
[08:11] <mart> melkor: er, just run emacs.
[08:11] <Benix> gringo: the installer formated it also again
[08:11] <Ahmuck> Reading package lists... Done
[08:11] <Ahmuck> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:11] <Ahmuck> E: Couldn't find package build-essentials
[08:11] <mart> sorry, drop the last s
[08:11] <mart> sudo aptitude install build-essential
[08:11] <mart> typo.
[08:13] <Benix> gringo: I also checked the DVD (CD-Version on it) successfully [via md5verification?!] 
[08:13] <Ahmuck> why does apt-get require the cdrom to download a package from http ?
[08:13] <_icke> hmmm, reboot did not help
[08:13] <mart> Ahmuck: maybe some of the packages are coming from the CD and some from the server.
[08:13] <gringo> Benix: do you use a physically seperated /boot partition?
[08:13] <mart> _icke: what's wrong again?
[08:13] <Benix> gringo: yes, I do
[08:14] <Benix> gringo: shall I tell the kubuntu fstab to use that seperated /boot ?
[08:15] <Benix> gringo: But I don't believe that this might be the problem .... It would even start, I guess
[08:15] <_icke> I had a full disk so I could not login; did an "apt-get clean" so I have enough space free and now I am logged in, but there seems to be an issue with KDE; I can view the konsole and konversation windows, but the have no borders and i can not resize them, and there is no Kicker for example
[08:15] <Benix> wouldn't
[08:15] <gringo> Benix: hast /boot been formatted, too?
[08:15] <_icke> perhaps an problem with kdm methinks?
[08:15] <mart> Benix: the installer should write the fstab correctly
[08:15] <Benix> gringo: no, I need the files in /boot
[08:15] <gringo> Benix: I don't think that this has something to do with the login shell but with the grub thing
[08:15] <mart> _icke: what happens if you run kicker from the konsole?
[08:15] <Benix> gringo: thats possible
[08:16] <mart> _icke:  it could just be your session that's broken.
[08:16] <_icke> just launched kicker from Konsole, that worked
[08:16] <Delicate_Shadow> hi guys ... I'm back
[08:16] <melkor> mart: If I run emacs I don't have the LaTex menu, should that be there or do I have to do something to load auctex?
[08:16] <mart> _icke: run kwin?
[08:16] <_icke> YAY \o/
[08:16] <_icke> thanks
[08:17] <mart> melkor: you've opened a .tex file?
[08:17] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:17] <Delicate_Shadow> sorry gringo but I had to leave ... any luck ???
[08:17] <_icke> i think my session was messed up
[08:17] <melkor> no
[08:17] <melkor> can I make a new one?
[08:17] <mart> yes
[08:17] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: hi, didn't look further because you left :)
[08:17] <_icke> i'll log out and see if I had another session in my list, thanks a lot mart!
[08:17] <Benix> gringo: I know that this release is still beta . . . But I am a bit disappointed of kubuntu
[08:18] <_icke> ah
[08:18] <mart> _icke: you don't see the session list
[08:18] <_icke> i see i started a failsafe session
[08:18] <mart> _icke: no,
[08:18] <mart> no
[08:18] <Delicate_Shadow> it ok gringo
[08:18] <mart> _icke: I meant KDE session,
[08:18] <gringo> Benix: yes I can understand your feelings but I hove no idea, yet. Maybe someone in here can help? Common Guys!
[08:18] <gringo> have
[08:18] <Benix> gringo: Thanks so far
[08:18] <mart> what's Benix' problem?
[08:18] <_icke> just a sec
[08:19] <gringo> Benix: you're welcome
[08:19] <Delicate_Shadow> I found this Kwifimanager app gringo but I couldn't find any network !!!
[08:19] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: What problem are you talking about? :)
[08:19] <Benix> mart: After installing kubuntu succesfully, it hangs at: Entering Runlevel 7: No processes in this runlevel left.
[08:19] <Delicate_Shadow> I can't start the WIFI on my laptop gringo !!!!
[08:20] <mart> Benix: what's 7? isn't that reboot?
[08:20] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: ok, step by step :)
[08:20] <Delicate_Shadow> ok
[08:20] <Benix> mart: Hm, as a debianuser I would say init 7 does not exist
[08:20] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: First of all: what wifi adapter and what AP?
[08:20] <Benix> mart: init 6 is reboot
[08:20] <Benix> mart: but it really says Runlevel 7
[08:21] <Delicate_Shadow> how can I find out gringo ?
[08:21] <mart> hmm, 6 can't be reboot, there is an /etc/rc6.d
[08:21] <Benix> mart: ok, than ubuntu differs from debian in that case
[08:21] <mart> 7 must be reboot.
[08:21] <mart> Benix: I was pretty sure it was the same... I use debian also
[08:22] <Delicate_Shadow> I'm not that bad gringo but I don't want to make any mistakes
[08:22] <mart> Benix: debian has a /etc/rc6.d right?
[08:22] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: please type 'iwconfig' in console and pastebin it
[08:22] <gringo> !pastebin
[08:22] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[08:23] <_icke> mart; I fixed it; I logged out, back to the loginscreen, selected my "default" session and logged in
[08:23] <_icke> and now everything is as good as new
[08:23] <Benix> mart: well, I am just using Kanotix which is nearly debian sid. Kano, the maintainer of kanotix just told me, that if I count the parameter -S, then there are seven ;)
[08:23] <mart> cool
[08:23] <_icke> indeed
[08:23] <Delicate_Shadow> gringo found on on eth0
[08:23] <_icke> this is why i love kubuntu
[08:23] <mart> Benix: I'm pretty sure that debian and kubuntu use the same runlevels.
[08:23] <mart> Benix: so at what point does it hang?
[08:23] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: pastebin plz
[08:24] <Benix> mart: Just after: configuring network ... [ok] 
[08:24] <Delicate_Shadow> eth0      unassociated  ESSID:off/any  Nickname:"default"
[08:24] <Delicate_Shadow>           Mode:Managed  Channel=0  Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00
[08:24] <Delicate_Shadow>           Bit Rate=0 kb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm
[08:24] <Delicate_Shadow>           Retry limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[08:24] <Delicate_Shadow>           Encryption key:off
[08:24] <Delicate_Shadow>           Power Management:off
[08:24] <Delicate_Shadow>           Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
[08:24] <gringo> ...
[08:24] <Delicate_Shadow>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[08:24] <Delicate_Shadow>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[08:24] <mart> hey
[08:24] <gringo> !pastebin
[08:24] <ubotu> well, pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[08:24] <melkor> Okay I am reading a .texi file and I want to read it ... properly, can I do that from emacs?
[08:24] <mart> Delicate_Shadow: read the pastbin comment.
[08:25] <mart> melkor: texi? as in texinfo?
[08:25] <Benix> mart: I am just doing a dist-upgrade in chroot. This will may help, dunno
[08:25] <Delicate_Shadow> what do you mean by pastebin ?
[08:25] <melkor> Yes its the quick start file
[08:25] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: next time go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and just paste the link you'll get there :)
[08:26] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: ok, your wlan card seems to be detected properly
[08:26] <Benix> I am curious to find out if dapper is really more stable a debian sid ;)
[08:26] <mart> Benix: the development versions are pretty much the same
[08:26] <Delicate_Shadow> ok how can I turn it on and off for the battary !!!!
[08:26] <prospero2005> Does anyone know how to make firefox open thunderbird as the default mail client?
[08:27] <Benix> mart: Do you know if the ubuntu-project gives anything back to debian?
[08:27] <mart> Benix: yes
[08:27] <nico8481> re
[08:27] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: sudo ifdown eth0
[08:27] <Delicate_Shadow> ok
[08:28] <mart> Benix: they do, more so than, say, kanotix.
[08:28] <Delicate_Shadow> is there somewhere else I can do this from ??? gringo
[08:28] <Benix> mart: Well, kanotix is not comparable to (k)ubuntu
[08:29] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: Yes: open the menu: System Settings -> Network Settings -> Administrator Mode -> Disable
[08:29] <Benix> mart: And for kanotix there are some developers who uploads debs to incomong.debian.org. So they do offer something
[08:29] <mart> Benix: the debian QA system regularly pulls ubuntu patches and makes them available to debian devs.
[08:29] <mart> Benix: likewise for kubuntu.
[08:29] <Benix> mart: ah, interesting
[08:30] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: Tell me about the WLAN you want to connect to. Is ist using WEP/WPA? Has it a hidden SSID?
[08:30] <mart> Benix: remember that many of the ubuntu packagers are also debian devels
[08:30] <Delicate_Shadow> it's a dsl modem with wireless hub
[08:30] <Benix> mart: Yes, I read that in some debian mailinglists
[08:31] <Delicate_Shadow> I have disabled all the security stuff
[08:31] <Delicate_Shadow> loooooooooooooooooooooool
[08:32] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: ^^ remember to enable all that security 'stuff' after getting it running
[08:32] <Delicate_Shadow> yupe that's sure gringo
[08:32] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: so open KWifiManager
[08:33] <Delicate_Shadow> ok
[08:33] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: klick on 'Scan for Networks'
[08:34] <Delicate_Shadow> done
[08:34] <mart> melkor: what news?
[08:34] <Delicate_Shadow> I'm connected to the modem now gringo .... thank you very much
[08:35] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: you are welcome and now activate that security stuff :)
[08:35] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: I propose to install KNetworkManager
[08:35] <Delicate_Shadow> ok gringo I'm now
[08:36] <Delicate_Shadow> ok
[08:36] <Benix> mart: all in all I have to say that the kubuntu live is still far away from other installable live-cds.
[08:37] <mart> Benix: oh, never tried the live cd
[08:37] <Benix> mart: yeah, I will may have to use that textmode install
[08:37] <mart> Benix: text mode install is very pleasant if you're used to debian.
[08:38] <Delicate_Shadow> where can I find it gringo ?
[08:38] <Benix> mart: can't be more crazy than gentoo ;)
[08:38] <Benix> mart: I also installed breezy badger with textmode a few months ago
[08:39] <mart> Benix: well, at least it has an installer - I'm not sure you could say that about gentoo :)
[08:39] <Benix> .. so I wonder why the live-cd is recommented on ubuntu.com
[08:39] <Benix> mart: hehe
[08:39] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[08:39] <Delicate_Shadow> gringo I have tried apt-get but couldn't find it
[08:39] <mart> Benix: gets you up and running faster I guess - if it works
[08:39] <Benix> mart: gentoo is the slowest distri, not the fastest
[08:40] <Delicate_Shadow> E: Couldn't find package knetworkmanager
[08:40] <Delicate_Shadow>  .............. gringo
[08:40] <mart> Benix: I don't care about that.  what annoys me is the number of bug reports I get from gentoo users
[08:40] <Benix> mart: If you stop all the time you need to install and compile your apps....
[08:40] <mart> Benix: I --> we
[08:40] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: activate the universe and multiverse repos
[08:40] <Benix> mart: oh
[08:40] <gringo> !repos
[08:40] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:40] <mart> Benix: heh, there's a classic gentoo bug....
[08:41] <Delicate_Shadow> gringo I hate to be pain the @$$ but how can I do this ?>
[08:42] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: [20:40]  <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:43] <Delicate_Shadow> thank you very much gringo
[08:43] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: it is an easy step to do this, no worries
[08:43] <Delicate_Shadow> ok ok thanx pal
[08:43] <Benix> mart: which debian do you use? sid, testing or sarge?
[08:44] <gringo> Delicate_Shadow: yo're still welcome :)
[08:45] <mart> Benix: depends on the machine.
[08:45] <Benix> mart: freak ;)
[08:46] <mart> ?
[08:47] <Benix> mart: Not everyone has more than one pc
[08:47] <Benix> mart: but thats not unusual ;)
[08:47] <mart> Benix: some of us run servers.
[08:47] <mart> and they're not all PCs ;)
[08:47] <Benix> mart: cool.
[08:48] <mart> Benix: check this: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890
[08:48] <mart> ^--- funny link.
[08:50] <Benix> mart: whaha. Very funny discussion ;)
[08:51] <Benix> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890
[08:51] <Benix> ah
[08:51] <Benix> wrong part in my clipspace ...
[08:52] <Benix> So, completed d-u in chroot. Hope that helped .. Thanks so far mart and gringo
[08:52] <Benix> bbl
[08:52] <hastesaver> mart, wow, wth is that link? And the reporter is the Gaim author, right?
[08:53] <ahmeni> poor gentoo'ers :\
[09:07] <prospero2005> I just built a usb device that sends a 6 volt shock straight to my testicles every time my website gets a hit. --damn!
[09:08] <melkor> Hey thanks mart
[09:09] <gringo> prospero2005: ^^
[09:09] <mart> was that sarcasm?  or did the guy actually find me helpful?
[09:13] <edo> ciao
[09:13] <Eduz> come state?
[09:20] <gringo_> grr
[09:29] <evert_> hello all
[09:34] <monkee13> what is the best way to hook up kontact to my gmail and google calander?
[09:36] <mart> You can get it on you Kontact/Calendar component by pressing Add... button and selecting "Callendar in remote file" and then pasting this url:
[09:36] <mart> http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/<email-address>/public/basic
[09:36] <mart> according to something in my mail box
[09:36] <freemanen> Anyone who knows have to make ctrl works as second buttton on a mac with ubuntu?
[09:36] <mart> never actually tried it
[09:38] <gringo> freemanen: k menu -> run -> kcontrol -> Regional & ... -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[09:38] <freemanen> thanks
[09:39] <freemanen> is there any config file to look in? like in etc?
[09:39] <gringo> monkee13: the problem ist that google calendar only allows ical reading and not writing!
[09:40] <gringo> monkee13: they just released an API for that so it is a question of time time ;)
[09:42] <gringo> freemanen: i'm sure there is one but I don't know wich
[09:42] <mart> anyone managed to get mysql working in breezy?
[09:45] <monkee13> thanks gringo, i hope they someone creates it soon
[09:46] <_bbeck> mart: what's wrong?
[09:47] <mart> _bbeck: it won't install properly: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rvs3Hv46.html
[09:47] <mart> that's installing on a terminal with tail -f /var/log/syslog running in the background
[09:47] <litb> hi!
[09:48] <litb> my friend has problems booting the livecd
[09:48] <litb> it hangs on http://www.directupload.net/images/060513/v6Id6mOj.jpg
[09:50] <kkathman> litb: I'd hazard a guess its a bad CD
[09:50] <litb> i said that too
[09:50] <kkathman> no reason it should hang there at all
[09:50] <litb> but it's a fresh burnt one
[09:51] <kkathman> doesnt matter if it was burned wrong tho
[09:51] <litb> and the ISO has the correct md5sum
[09:51] <mart> I had to install from a different CD drive to the drive that I burned an iso from.
[09:52] <mart> the CD drive couldn't even read the CD it had written, so I had to boot from a DVD drive.
[09:52] <kkathman> litb all that step does is read the CD and load it into memory...and thats done within like 1 second
[09:52] <_bbeck> mart: Are you upgrading, or is this a new install?
[09:53] <mart> _bbeck: new install of mysql server.  I've tried purging it, then reinstalling it too.
[09:54] <mart> _bbeck: just rebooted to try without /tmp mounted on tmpfs
[09:54] <mart> _bbeck: ok, it starts now... but it still gives the warning about not being able to read my.cnf
[09:54] <mart> _bbeck: I wonder why that's missing.
[09:56] <litb> ok, cu
[10:00] <mart> _bbeck: ok, works now, with /tmp on disk, and it seems there's no my.cnf by default
[10:03] <ingrato_> hi
[10:03] <ingrato_> I'm trying to install libxine-codecs, but I can't find it in adept manager
[10:04] <ingrato_> what url do i have to add?
[10:04] <ingrato_> or should I say repository
[10:05] <ingrato_> so I can get mp3 playback support in amarok
[10:05] <ajross_> !mp3
[10:05] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:06] <ingrato_> I found this article http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/MP3_on_Kubuntu_6.06
[10:06] <ingrato_> so that's why I'm trying to install libxine-codecs
[10:09] <ingrato_> got it!
[10:09] <gringo> !mp3
[10:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:12] <julian01> hellow
[10:13] <julian01> #
[10:13] <julian01> hello sophie
[10:13] <sophie_> julian01: hello
[10:14] <julian01> are you able to see dvd in ubantu?
[10:14] <hastesaver> julian01, if you mean that as a general question about whether dvd playback is possible, the answer is yes
[10:14] <hastesaver> !dvd
[10:14] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[10:14] <sophie_> julian01: yep put you have to install "unofficial" packages
[10:15] <julian01> thank you
[10:15] <sophie_> !xgl
[10:15] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[10:15] <julian01> Yes I ment to say play dvd
[10:23] <leo_> how can i configur fetchmail
[10:24] <BuffaloMan> gawd. fetchmail.  that brings back memories.
[10:26] <leo_> i cant  downlod mails
[10:31] <jack1> who knows which mobile phones work very good with kontact reg. synchronizaion?
[10:47] <_patrick> Still don't have Adept Package Manager working after it crashed a couple of days ago. Any ideas how to repair it, or get Synaptic.
[10:47] <_patrick> I tried apt-get update, but it wouldn't function.
[10:48] <_patrick> Then when I tried to get Synaptic from terminal my sources.list was messed up.
[10:48] <_patrick> I think that happened when I was working with it when it crashed. I was trying to fetch a repository and it just blew up on me. Go figure.
[10:52] <tchize> Hello everyone, i just downloaded latest dapper drake. Am wondering what this message in console means:
[10:52] <tchize> bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed
[10:53] <tchize> and it seems to imply my wireless card is not recognized
[10:54] <GazzaK> wooo, thats me on kubuntu flight 7
[10:54] <tchize> GazzaK: great: mine does not install :)
[10:55] <GazzaK> oh, thats a shame - this was a bit of a pain, but not that had
[10:55] <I_Eat_Plastic> amaroK won't play any mpeg files, but xmms will. Any solutions?
[10:56] <tchize> GazzaK: it seems it does not recognize my network card :'(
[10:56] <GazzaK> erm, tried the restrctedformats wiki?
[10:56] <GazzaK> my partner had great fun getting his wifi card working, we have only just got it working okay
[10:57] <gringo> !xgl
[10:57] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[11:00] <GazzaK> I_Eat_Plastic, tried using Kaffine, once you have run the restrictedformats wiki guide? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:02] <I_Eat_Plastic> GazzaK: I'll give it a try.
[11:02] <heinkel_111> which mailclients work best with kubuntu? k-mail?
[11:03] <heinkel_111> and is there any way i can import old mails from thunderbird?
[11:03] <GazzaK> Kontact works fine for me heinkel_111
[11:03] <r0xz> Is there a common method to install both (and keep update) the developversion of an app and the distro version?
[11:03] <GazzaK> erm, not sure about importing
[11:03] <heinkel_111> i am disappointed with my thunderbird :(
[11:03] <GazzaK> r0xz, not that I know of...
[11:03] <GazzaK> suppose there must be, but I don't know how
[11:04] <tchize> Anybody can tell me how to provide wpa/wpa2 key for wifi at kubuntu installer?
[11:04] <sulan> ACPI-related issue with Dapper Drake Flight 6-7 (and maybe earlier also): On my HP NC6000, the display brightness buttons don't work at all. The do, however, work just fine on Breezy Badger.
[11:04] <tchize> it asks for a wep key :/
[11:06] <thedowd> anyone here running compiz under KDE?
[11:08] <r0xz> thanks GazzaK, i was hoping "make" had an option for this.
[11:09] <r0xz> thedowd: not any more, you have problems?
[11:10] <r0xz> tchize: i don't know, sorry
[11:10] <I_Eat_Plastic> amaroK correctly plays mp3s, but it seems to "speed" though them silently, why is this?
[11:10] <thedowd> r0xz: yeah, the window decorations are gone
[11:11] <thedowd> r0xz: the title bars, etc
[11:11] <r0xz> tchize: you can probably enter this after the installation process
[11:11] <GazzaK> I_Eat_Plastic, thats a thingy answered by running through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats I belive
[11:12] <I_Eat_Plastic> GazzaK, I've already installed all of the codecs I need, XMMS plays mpeg's just fine. But amaroK is at a loss of something. :(
[11:13] <r0xz> thedowd: sounds like a kwin problem
[11:13] <ahmeni> I_Eat_Plastic: it's probably a lack of plugins for gsteamer
[11:13] <GazzaK> sorry, I don't know, but earlier I had a similar sounding issue, and runing though most of the ideas on the wiki solved it
[11:13] <r0xz> thedowd: there are some posts on the forum about it, i don't know the solution myself
[11:13] <GazzaK> is there a tool in kubuntu to change the control/border/icon sets?
[11:14] <I_Eat_Plastic> GazzaK thanks for the help though.
[11:14] <GazzaK> np I_Eat_Plastic
[11:14] <GazzaK> is it tasty :)
[11:14] <ahmeni> I_Eat_Plastic: did you sudo apt-get install  gstreamer0.8-mad?
[11:15] <I_Eat_Plastic> ahmeni: Yes, I've done everything the page told me to do, i'm trying to install more plugins now.
[11:16] <r0xz> Gazzak: kcontrol-> appearance and then you can alter color, icons, style or theme
[11:16] <gringo> where can I edit KDE Sessions?
[11:16] <r0xz> and decorations
[11:17] <r0xz> Gazzak: decoration is that you look for i guess
[11:22] <melissa_> hmmm
[11:25] <gringo> how do I restart X?
[11:26] <melissa_> how do I display a different nickname?
[11:26] <gringo> melissa_: /nick blablub
[11:27] <GazzaK> woo, thanks r0xz
[11:29] <thedowd> alright, new question... getting the composite manager to run without all the draw errors?
[11:37] <darkphantompoet> interesting.... no one seems to chat in here
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> darkphantompoet: what do you need to know ?
[11:39] <darkphantompoet> need to know?  nothing... just trying this out and seeing what it's like
[11:43] <GazzaK> how do I make weblinks in xchat use firefox as the default web browser?
[11:45] <sorush20> hi guys is there a more enhanced version of klipper I could use..
[11:45] <sorush20> I keep getting silly errors now..
[11:46] <jack1> how does the nokia 6310i works together with Kontact?
[11:46] <jack1> work
[11:50] <sorush20> what don't you take a look at google .. just type 6310i linux
[11:53] <jack1> sorush20 yes thx for your help   u r a bright light
[11:57] <samuli> gazzak, try settings - preferred applications.
[11:58] <samuli> gazzak, or wherever that was (not in in the kde now to check out)
[11:58] <awesometaylor> hello
[11:59] <litb> hi! is there a disk management tool in kubuntu?
[11:59] <awesometaylor> how can i remove items from the menus?
[11:59] <GazzaK> I can't see anything "similar" to "preferred applications"
[11:59] <r0xz> sorush20: like have the another klipboard memory than the latest copy action? I have that too, really anoying yes...
[11:59] <litb> for managing fstab and so on?
[11:59] <awesometaylor> litb: i know of a program named kwikdisk
[12:00] <sorush20> r0xz: I don't know what you just said.. could you repeat?
[12:00] <sorush20> I can't make it out?