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| mdke | bloody hell these translations are exhausting | 01:30 |
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| mdke | we need some scripts next time | 01:31 |
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| mdke | s/3/4 | 01:37 |
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| sman | hello | 03:45 |
| sman | after the partition manager loads the computer stops i've leftit on for days and it just stays on that screen | 03:47 |
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| Guest_790 | hey is anyone there? | 04:02 |
| Guest_790 | im having trouble installing ubuntu on my toshiba | 04:03 |
| Guest_790 | whenever the computer is trying to boot from the live cd or the install cd, the screen just turns black and nothing ever happens | 04:03 |
| Guest_790 | anyone know why? | 04:03 |
| Guest_790 | hello | 04:05 |
| Guest_790 | ? | 04:11 |
| Guest_790 | ? | 04:11 |
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| mgalvin | Guest_790: this is not a support channel... try #ubuntu | 04:49 |
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| jsgotangco | hi guys | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | hi jsgotangco | 05:42 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 05:42 |
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| rob | hmm, no one around? | 06:48 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 06:49 |
| rob | hi jsgotangco | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | so I'm around | 06:49 |
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| rob | need a password reset on the svn.. | 06:50 |
| jsgotangco | i dunno the process now, but if Im right, all requests are done with the RT | 06:51 |
| rob | RT? | 06:51 |
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| LaserJock | rob: request tracker | 07:01 |
| rob | we have one of those now? | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | launchpad | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | lp infrastructure | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | sycns are now done with rt | 07:02 |
| rob | ah ok | 07:02 |
| rob | where in Launchpad is it? | 07:02 |
| rob | did I mention that I don't like launchpad? | 07:05 |
| jsgotangco | heh go rant at #launchpad instead | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | and they will say "We're working on it, you just need to wait" | 07:08 |
| rob | dam closed source junk | 07:08 |
| jsgotangco | im going to take a shower brb | 07:10 |
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| LaserJock | hi Madpilot | 08:09 |
| Madpilot | hi LaserJock | 08:09 |
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| jsgotangco | LaserJock: ping? | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: yeah? | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: just doing some writing, can you confirm if dselect is the one used during installation? | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: I'm pretty sure it is | 08:16 |
| jsgotangco | Merci monsieur LaserJock | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | I asked in -devel just to make sure ;-) | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: ah, Mithrandir says that the text installer uses aptitude and not dselect | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | doh, I didn't see you were in -devel | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: thanks, actually i knew its all aptitude, but i needed to make sure, dselect isnt one of the prettiest applications out there heh | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | (but dselect is still part of the distro) | 08:27 |
| jsgotangco | so basically we use dpkg, apt, aptitiude | 08:28 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I used dselect a time or two back when I mess with Debian years ago | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | that is where I was thinking it used it | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | although the Debian page doesn't recommend installing and doing a dist-upgrade using aptitude | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | hrmmm | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | must be an old page | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | aptitude installs Recommended packages by default | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | I can see where that could be interesting for dist-upgrades | 08:32 |
| jsgotangco | won't that add bloat unless the depends are cleverly done (ie, replace apps but not config files) | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | you just need to run it as aptitude -r and then it behaves lik apt-get | 08:36 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | is the 'quicktour' in /ubuntu/ in docteam svn? | 08:48 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | and i noticed trunk go quiet - is this because of stringfreeze? | 08:48 |
| Madpilot | yes, to both questions, as far as I know | 08:48 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm. i only see a quicktour for kubuntu. | 08:50 |
| Madpilot | hmm, you're right... I could have sworn the Ubuntu quicktour used to be in our SVN... | 08:51 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i'm just doing 'an australian translation' (changing color/colour ize/ise etc). and noticed a few 'hm' things | 08:52 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | so i wanted to look them up | 08:53 |
| Madpilot | into EN_au, eh? | 08:53 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | yeh. am i stepping out of the closet ? :) | 08:53 |
| LaserJock | I think that the quicktour has been depreciated, perhaps | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | and string freeze doesn't apply to trunk | 08:54 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | LaserJock, that could explain it | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | I thought I remember hearing that About Ubuntu replaced the quick tour | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not positive | 08:56 |
| Madpilot | I know Corey has dropped quicktour - it was his project for Breezy | 08:56 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | LaserJock, me to, but i saw it there, so i was wondering | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | the Kubuntu one? | 08:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | yeh. sorry. i;ll say that again: | 08:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i thought the quickguides were dropped, but i saw a kubuntu one in svn, and an ubuntu one up for translation, so i wondred | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 08:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | brb | 09:01 |
| jsgotangco | En_AU heh... | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | I had no idea there were so many en_* | 09:03 |
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| jsgotangco | if you get a form asking for your sex, in en_AU the choice would be bloke and sheila | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | I was making a chroot yesterday and watched them all the en_* be created | 09:04 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | theres only a dozen :P | 09:05 |
| LaserJock | how are those determined? | 09:06 |
| LaserJock | I mean what about a en_DE for people who speak english with a german accent? ;-) | 09:06 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hehe. | 09:06 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | LaserJock, i dont know. they are all dialect, but how big a difference is a question. en_AU could easyily just be en_GB | 09:07 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 09:07 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: we actually have en_PH here (this is a predominantly english-speaking country) | 09:08 |
| jsgotangco | which is basically en_US | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | really? I wondered why all the filipino grad students in my department spoke such good english | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: that is a heritage of our American colonial masters theh | 09:10 |
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| LaserJock | well, I'm glad our colonial imperialism did some good ;p | 09:11 |
| crimsun | native US citizens tend to have abominable English. Pretty sad. | 09:11 |
| jsgotangco | sure we now have more fastfood chains that we ever need | 09:11 |
| jsgotangco | and Col. Sanders stands proud more than ever | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: like me? hehe | 09:11 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: pretty much everyone including myself :) | 09:12 |
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| jsgotangco | it runs in the blood lol | 09:13 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hehe | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | and now we are just about a colony of Mexico so I guess it has come back on us ;-) | 09:14 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 09:14 |
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| Madpilot | for confusion, there's always en_CA, which can't decide whether it wants to be more like en_US or en_GB :P | 09:19 |
| Madpilot | currently we're going thru a "be more like en_GB" stage | 09:20 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol. your in a hard place there ;) en_AU is trying to be everyones bitch | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | Madpilot: yeah, we got rid of the GB part much sooner. :-) | 09:21 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ise > ize | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | lol | 09:23 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | :) | 09:23 |
| Madpilot | American spelling creates a terrible surplus of "u" ;) | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | I was helping with this Edubuntu School Advocacy pamphlet for British schools | 09:23 |
| Madpilot | all those words like colour & armour that they misspell | 09:24 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol Madpilot | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | it is sooo hard to get the ise vs. ize thing right | 09:24 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | then the poor DE people have to use them ;) | 09:24 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | LaserJock, esp. for GB, becaues they care ;D | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | I just let the British guys figure out there own spelling ;-) | 09:25 |
| Madpilot | or their own spelling, perhaps? ;) | 09:25 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | rofl | 09:26 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, whatever. I'm american, I'm expected to be sloppy | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | but my mom would kill me if she saw my spelling on IRC sometimes | 09:27 |
| Madpilot | IRC isn't quite real, it doesn't really count | 09:27 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol ++ | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | those stupid homonyms get me all the time :( | 09:28 |
| Madpilot | those are the ones that spillchuckers never catch either - proofreading still matters | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | I'm glad I had trappist and crimsun to straighten me out on the Packaging Guide | 09:29 |
| Madpilot | which reminds me, I should go thru the Xubuntu Desktop Guide this weekend - do a proofreading run | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: is autopackage evil? | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | well, I haven't actually tried it, but from a MOTU perspective I don't think many of us are thrilled about it | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | we tend to not like to have people running software from multiple package systems | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | with our .deb repos we can know exactly what we are putting on the users computer and it has pretty extensive testing | 09:34 |
| jsgotangco | right, im actually reading year old ubuntu-traffic postings | 09:35 |
| dsas | Heh, I was reading year old ubuntu-devel stuff during dinnertime yesterday. | 09:36 |
| jsgotangco | pre -devel? it used to be sounder acutally | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | some people have expressed skepticism about the claim to be able to install apps on any Linux system | 09:36 |
| dsas | happened across the autopackage stuff then, it seemed it wasn't smiled upon.... | 09:36 |
| dsas | Nah, I was reading about Hoary time I think, in which it case it was -devel. | 09:37 |
| LaserJock | we have a hard enough time with making Ubuntu packages work on Ubuntu :-) | 09:37 |
| jsgotangco | dsas: im doing a small article about package management systems for a local magazine, i had to list down the known ones, then their pros and cons | 09:37 |
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| jsgotangco | there's also smart which is looming for eft | 09:37 |
| LaserJock | hmm, is there a wiki page or something about how to burn an iso so you can install Ubuntu? | 09:39 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i thought there was 'a while back' | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | good night doc people, I'm off to bed | 09:42 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ;ater mate | 09:43 |
| dsas | jsgotangco: http://www.licquia.org/archives/2005/03/27/autopackage-considered-harmful/ was pointed to in the discussions on ubuntu-devel I remember. | 09:43 |
| dsas | I remember mdz said that that article and the one linked was correct (but could've been put more nicely). Or something. | 09:43 |
| jsgotangco | thanks for the link | 09:44 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 09:48 |
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| Madpilot | later all | 10:16 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol @ quit | 10:17 |
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| mdke | morning | 11:30 |
| rob | hi mdke | 11:33 |
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| rob | I want my password reset :) | 11:33 |
| mdke | rob: right yeah, I read in the scrollback. | 11:33 |
| mdke | rob: you said you were gonna send some patches! | 11:34 |
| rob | I hate patches | 11:34 |
| mdke | why? | 11:35 |
| rob | I just want to be able to sit down and start working when I get some time | 11:35 |
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| rob | there isn't any rush of cause, just thought I'd mention it after that email on the list | 11:35 |
| mdke | rob: you can, doing a patch is as fast as: svn diff > patch.diff && mail to list. | 11:35 |
| mdke | anyway I can request a new account for you, but I'm keen to see you contributing again :) | 11:36 |
| rob | and kill a couple of birds with one stone | 11:36 |
| rob | oh, that reminds me, better check out the repo again (and leave it over night) | 11:38 |
| rob | I've been sticking my head into a few xubuntu bugs | 11:39 |
| rob | about time a decent xfce4 distro came along :) | 11:39 |
| rob | anyway, I'd better be off | 11:40 |
| mdke | bye, look forward to seeing you contribute again | 11:40 |
| rob | bye mdke, so do I | 11:41 |
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| hybrid | ok can someone help me getting started with docs? | 03:25 |
| mdke | hybrid: absolutely. Did you see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam ? | 03:25 |
| hybrid | not thourghly | 03:25 |
| jsgotangco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | 03:25 |
| hybrid | ty mdke and jsgotangco | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | read it, its only 3 paragraphs | 03:26 |
| mdke | and then all the subsequent pages ;) | 03:26 |
| mdke | the first step is usually to grab our repository and play around | 03:27 |
| hybrid | yeah, i volunteered to help with the wiki, but i just dont know where to start | 03:27 |
| mdke | ah, for the wiki, we have a list of pages that need tidying up. It's at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryCleanup | 03:28 |
| mdke | just dive into something that interests you | 03:28 |
| hybrid | ok, so i just edit it, no proceedors i need to follow through first? | 03:28 |
| mdke | hybrid: we have a guide to wiki work at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiGuide | 03:29 |
| mdke | generally pages just need some help with making them easier to understand, or formatting help, and so on | 03:29 |
| hybrid | ok ty much | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | but then its a wiki page, fill free to improve on it (don't delete or make sweeping changes) | 03:30 |
| mdke | np, welcome | 03:30 |
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| WaterSevenUb | will the release notes be translatable? | 03:52 |
| mdke | i hope so | 03:53 |
| WaterSevenUb | ok. 5 days left right? | 03:54 |
| mdke | something like that | 03:54 |
| mdke | but the release notes aren't in the distribution, anyway | 03:54 |
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| Bluekuja | mdke: ping | 06:24 |
| mdke | Bluekuja: pong | 06:24 |
| Bluekuja | I'm getting this error Premature end of data in tag article line 4, transforming xml file into html one | 06:25 |
| Bluekuja | line 4 is <article lang="en" id="FtpServerHowTo" status="draft"> | 06:25 |
| mdke | what are you working on? | 06:26 |
| Bluekuja | i dont see any error inside that line | 06:26 |
| Bluekuja | but doing xsltproc i get that | 06:27 |
| robotgeek | Bluekuja: does the file validate? | 06:28 |
| mdke | Bluekuja: with docbook all the tags have to be in a certain order | 06:28 |
| Bluekuja | no, after that it says unable to parse | 06:28 |
| mdke | it's likely that you haven't got the order right | 06:29 |
| Bluekuja | so it doesnt validate it | 06:29 |
| mdke | try working on one of our files | 06:29 |
| robotgeek | Bluekuja: it would have told you expecting blah blah, got: blah blah | 06:29 |
| mdke | Bluekuja: in our repo, you'll see a script for validating docbook files: called validate.sh | 06:30 |
| Bluekuja | oh | 06:30 |
| Bluekuja | tell me more about it | 06:30 |
| mdke | you run it like this: ./validate.sh ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml | 06:30 |
| mdke | and it tells you whether the file is valid docbook xml or not | 06:31 |
| mdke | and if not, why | 06:31 |
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| Bluekuja | ok matt, just a moment i try it and put here the log | 06:31 |
| mdke | use a pastebin | 06:31 |
| Bluekuja | ok | 06:32 |
| Bluekuja | well, with validate.sh i get the same parse error of before | 06:32 |
| Bluekuja | Premature end of data at line 4 | 06:33 |
| mdke | as I said, tags have to be in a certain order, are you sure you have a complete article file? | 06:33 |
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| Bluekuja | I'm not sure about i have started it from the first line, it's not a copy | 06:34 |
| Bluekuja | *it | 06:34 |
| mdke | yeah, have a look at some existing files to see what you're doing wrong | 06:35 |
| Bluekuja | ok perfect | 06:35 |
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| jeffsch | Bluekuja: your first 3 lines are probably something like this: | 06:41 |
| jeffsch | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> | 06:41 |
| jeffsch | <!DOCTYPE article PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.3//EN" | 06:41 |
| jeffsch | "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd" [] > | 06:41 |
| Bluekuja | jeffsch: yes | 06:42 |
| jeffsch | make sure you have the final ">" | 06:42 |
| Bluekuja | let me check | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | I prefer ~/ubuntu-doc/validate.sh desktopguide.xml ;-) | 06:42 |
| mdke | just to be different | 06:42 |
| Bluekuja | jeffsch: yes final > is there | 06:43 |
| jeffsch | fyi: validate.sh is nothing special, just a single line... xmllint --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid $1 | 06:44 |
| jeffsch | Bluekuja: hmm... | 06:44 |
| dsas | plus 20 lines of gpl. | 06:46 |
| jeffsch | haha. gpl of a command line :) | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | hehe, that was my fault :-) | 06:47 |
| jeffsch | Bluekuja: is that the only error you get? Premature end usually comes after some other error | 06:47 |
| mdke | Bluekuja: paste us the whole file | 06:48 |
| Bluekuja | it works!! | 06:49 |
| Bluekuja | great | 06:49 |
| Bluekuja | i didnt added the closing tag | 06:50 |
| Bluekuja | *add | 06:50 |
| Bluekuja | of article | 06:50 |
| mdke | right, every tag you open has to be closed | 06:50 |
| Bluekuja | yep | 06:51 |
| Bluekuja | well article one was at the end and maybe i didnt put it | 06:51 |
| Bluekuja | jeffsch,mdke: all it works now but the first title is duplicated | 07:00 |
| Bluekuja | there are 4 titles instead of one | 07:00 |
| jeffsch | Bluekuja: put your file in a pastebin so we can look at it | 07:01 |
| Bluekuja | oki | 07:01 |
| Bluekuja | jeffsch: http://pastebin.com/715543 | 07:04 |
| jeffsch | Bluekuja: you are missing the [] in "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd" [] > | 07:06 |
| Bluekuja | i'm getting the same title problem | 07:08 |
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| Bluekuja | i corrected it | 07:08 |
| Bluekuja | do you see anything else? | 07:09 |
| jeffsch | Bluekuja: yes, your document does not validate | 07:11 |
| jeffsch | see the docbook docs for proper <title> tag usage | 07:12 |
| Bluekuja | let me check it | 07:13 |
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| jeffsch | sorry, it's not the title tag... it's the article tag | 07:14 |
| Bluekuja | oh okie | 07:15 |
| jeffsch | ok, i found it... | 07:15 |
| jeffsch | you can have only one title tag in an article | 07:16 |
| Bluekuja | other ones are subtitles and so on right? | 07:17 |
| mdke | you can have one title for an article, one for a section, etc | 07:18 |
| jeffsch | one title and one subtitle under the article tag | 07:18 |
| Bluekuja | oh okie | 07:18 |
| mdke | Bluekuja: as well as looking at our files, look at incoming/article-template.xml | 07:18 |
| jeffsch | after that, you should use sect1, sect2, etc | 07:19 |
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| jeffsch | line 32, for eg <title>Methods Explanation</title> | 07:19 |
| jeffsch | should be <sect1>Methods Explanation</sect1> | 07:19 |
| Bluekuja | and near first option? | 07:21 |
| Bluekuja | leaving title will be ok? | 07:21 |
| mdke | jeffsch: <sect1><title>Methods Explanation</title> ... | 07:21 |
| jeffsch | oops | 07:22 |
| mdke | Bluekuja: look at that template, it is really good | 07:22 |
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| Bluekuja | mdke: ping | 11:59 |
| mdke | Bluekuja: pong | 11:59 |
| Bluekuja | matt take a look here http://bluekuja.com/ftpserver.html | 11:59 |
| Bluekuja | put www in front | 11:59 |
| Bluekuja | it gives an error without^^ | 12:00 |
| mdke | Bluekuja: I see it | 12:00 |
| Bluekuja | how it is? | 12:00 |
| mdke | Bluekuja: what aspect of it do you want feedback on? The format looks alright, although the section headings seem to be uneven | 12:02 |
| Bluekuja | yeah, i need to fix section headings | 12:02 |
| Bluekuja | well i think that would be a nice doc to put it | 12:03 |
| Bluekuja | *in | 12:03 |
| mdke | the links aren't working | 12:03 |
| Bluekuja | yep, i need to add them | 12:03 |
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