[01:30] <mdke> bloody hell these translations are exhausting
[01:31] <mdke> we need some scripts next time
[01:37] <mdke> s/3/4
[03:45] <sman> hello
[03:47] <sman> after the partition manager loads the computer stops i've leftit on for days and it just stays on that screen
[04:02] <Guest_790> hey is anyone there?
[04:03] <Guest_790> im having trouble installing ubuntu on my toshiba
[04:03] <Guest_790> whenever the computer is trying to boot from the live cd or the install cd, the screen just turns black and nothing ever happens
[04:03] <Guest_790> anyone know why?
[04:05] <Guest_790> hello
[04:11] <Guest_790> ?
[04:11] <Guest_790> ?
[04:49] <mgalvin> Guest_790: this is not a support channel... try #ubuntu
[05:40] <jsgotangco> hi guys
[05:42] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[05:42] <jsgotangco> hey
[06:48] <rob> hmm, no one around?
[06:49] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:49] <rob> hi jsgotangco 
[06:49] <LaserJock> so I'm around
[06:50] <rob> need a password reset on the svn..
[06:51] <jsgotangco> i dunno the process now, but if Im right, all requests are done with the RT
[06:51] <rob> RT?
[07:01] <LaserJock> rob: request tracker
[07:01] <rob> we have one of those now?
[07:01] <LaserJock> launchpad
[07:01] <jsgotangco> lp infrastructure
[07:02] <jsgotangco> sycns are now done with rt
[07:02] <rob> ah ok
[07:02] <rob> where in Launchpad is it?
[07:05] <rob> did I mention that I don't like launchpad?
[07:07] <jsgotangco> heh go rant at #launchpad instead
[07:08] <LaserJock> and they will say "We're working on it, you just need to wait"
[07:08] <rob> dam closed source junk
[07:10] <jsgotangco> im going to take a shower brb
[08:09] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot 
[08:09] <Madpilot> hi LaserJock 
[08:12] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: ping?
[08:15] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: yeah?
[08:15] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: just doing some writing, can you confirm if dselect is the one used during installation?
[08:16] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I'm pretty sure it is
[08:16] <jsgotangco> Merci monsieur LaserJock
[08:17] <LaserJock> I asked in -devel just to make sure ;-)
[08:21] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: ah, Mithrandir says that the text installer uses aptitude and not dselect
[08:21] <LaserJock> doh, I didn't see you were in -devel
[08:26] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: thanks, actually i knew its all aptitude, but i needed to make sure, dselect isnt one of the prettiest applications out there heh
[08:27] <jsgotangco> (but dselect is still part of the distro)
[08:28] <jsgotangco> so basically we use dpkg, apt, aptitiude
[08:29] <LaserJock> yeah, I used dselect a time or two back when I mess with Debian years ago
[08:30] <LaserJock> that is where I was thinking it used it
[08:30] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:30] <jsgotangco> although the Debian page doesn't recommend installing and doing a dist-upgrade using aptitude
[08:30] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[08:31] <jsgotangco> must be an old page
[08:31] <LaserJock> aptitude installs Recommended packages by default
[08:31] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:32] <LaserJock> I can see where that could be interesting for dist-upgrades
[08:33] <jsgotangco> won't that add bloat unless the depends are cleverly done (ie, replace apps but not config files)
[08:36] <LaserJock> you just need to run it as aptitude -r and then it behaves lik apt-get
[08:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> is the 'quicktour' in /ubuntu/ in docteam svn?
[08:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i noticed trunk go quiet - is this because of stringfreeze?
[08:48] <Madpilot> yes, to both questions, as far as I know
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i only see a quicktour for kubuntu. 
[08:51] <Madpilot> hmm, you're right... I could have sworn the Ubuntu quicktour used to be in our SVN...
[08:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm just doing 'an australian translation' (changing color/colour ize/ise etc). and noticed a few 'hm' things
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> so i wanted to look them up
[08:53] <Madpilot> into EN_au, eh?
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. am i stepping out of the closet ? :)
[08:54] <LaserJock> I think that the quicktour has been depreciated, perhaps
[08:54] <LaserJock> and string freeze doesn't apply to trunk
[08:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, that could explain it
[08:56] <LaserJock> I thought I remember hearing that About Ubuntu replaced the quick tour
[08:56] <LaserJock> but I'm not positive
[08:56] <Madpilot> I know Corey has dropped quicktour - it was his project for Breezy
[08:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, me to, but i saw it there, so i was wondering 
[08:58] <LaserJock> the Kubuntu one?
[08:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. sorry. i;ll say that again:
[08:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought the quickguides were dropped, but i saw a kubuntu one in svn, and an ubuntu one up for translation, so i wondred
[08:59] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb
[09:03] <jsgotangco> En_AU heh...
[09:03] <LaserJock> I had no idea there were so many en_*
[09:04] <jsgotangco> if you get a form asking for your sex, in en_AU the choice would be bloke and sheila
[09:04] <LaserJock> I was making a chroot yesterday and watched them all the en_* be created
[09:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> theres only a dozen :P
[09:06] <LaserJock> how are those determined?
[09:06] <LaserJock> I mean what about a en_DE for people who speak english with a german accent? ;-)
[09:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. 
[09:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, i dont know. they are all dialect, but how big a difference is a question. en_AU could easyily just be en_GB
[09:07] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:08] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: we actually have en_PH here (this is a predominantly english-speaking country)
[09:08] <jsgotangco> which is basically en_US
[09:09] <LaserJock> really? I wondered why all the filipino grad students in my department spoke such good english
[09:10] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: that is a heritage of our American colonial masters theh
[09:11] <LaserJock> well, I'm glad our colonial imperialism did some good ;p
[09:11] <crimsun> native US citizens tend to have abominable English. Pretty sad.
[09:11] <jsgotangco> sure we now have more fastfood chains that we ever need
[09:11] <jsgotangco> and Col. Sanders stands proud more than ever
[09:11] <LaserJock> crimsun: like me? hehe
[09:12] <crimsun> LaserJock: pretty much everyone including myself :)
[09:13] <jsgotangco> it runs in the blood lol
[09:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[09:14] <LaserJock> and now we are just about a colony of Mexico so I guess it has come back on us ;-)
[09:14] <jsgotangco> haha
[09:19] <Madpilot> for confusion, there's always en_CA, which can't decide whether it wants to be more like en_US or en_GB :P
[09:20] <Madpilot> currently we're going thru a "be more like en_GB" stage
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. your in a hard place there ;) en_AU is trying to be everyones bitch
[09:21] <LaserJock> Madpilot: yeah, we got rid of the GB part much sooner. :-)
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ise > ize
[09:23] <LaserJock> lol
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:23] <Madpilot> American spelling creates a terrible surplus of "u" ;)
[09:23] <LaserJock> I was helping with this Edubuntu School Advocacy pamphlet for British schools
[09:24] <Madpilot> all those words like colour & armour that they misspell
[09:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Madpilot 
[09:24] <LaserJock> it is sooo hard to get the ise vs. ize thing right
[09:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> then the poor DE people have to use them ;)
[09:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, esp. for GB, becaues they care ;D
[09:25] <LaserJock> I just let the British guys figure out there own spelling ;-)
[09:25] <Madpilot> or their own spelling, perhaps? ;)
[09:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[09:27] <LaserJock> yeah, whatever. I'm american, I'm expected to be sloppy
[09:27] <LaserJock> but my mom would kill me if she saw my spelling on IRC sometimes
[09:27] <Madpilot> IRC isn't quite real, it doesn't really count
[09:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol ++
[09:28] <LaserJock> those stupid homonyms get me all the time :(
[09:29] <Madpilot> those are the ones that spillchuckers never catch either - proofreading still matters
[09:29] <LaserJock> I'm glad I had trappist and crimsun to straighten me out on the Packaging Guide
[09:30] <Madpilot> which reminds me, I should go thru the Xubuntu Desktop Guide this weekend - do a proofreading run
[09:30] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: is autopackage evil?
[09:31] <LaserJock> well, I haven't actually tried it, but from a MOTU perspective I don't think many of us are thrilled about it
[09:33] <LaserJock> we tend to not like to have people running software from multiple package systems
[09:34] <LaserJock> with our .deb repos we can know exactly what we are putting on the users computer and it has pretty extensive testing
[09:35] <jsgotangco> right, im actually reading year old ubuntu-traffic postings
[09:36] <dsas> Heh, I was reading year old ubuntu-devel stuff during dinnertime yesterday.
[09:36] <jsgotangco> pre -devel? it used to be sounder acutally
[09:36] <LaserJock> some people have expressed skepticism about the claim to be able to install apps on any Linux system
[09:36] <dsas> happened across the autopackage stuff then, it seemed it wasn't smiled upon....
[09:37] <dsas> Nah, I was reading about Hoary time I think, in which it case it was -devel.
[09:37] <LaserJock> we have a hard enough time with making Ubuntu packages work on Ubuntu :-)
[09:37] <jsgotangco> dsas: im doing a small article about package management systems for a local magazine, i had to list down the known ones, then their pros and cons
[09:37] <jsgotangco> there's also smart which is looming for eft
[09:39] <LaserJock> hmm, is there a wiki page or something about how to burn an iso so you can install Ubuntu?
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought there was 'a while back'
[09:42] <LaserJock> good night doc people, I'm off to bed
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;ater mate
[09:43] <dsas> jsgotangco: http://www.licquia.org/archives/2005/03/27/autopackage-considered-harmful/ was pointed to in the discussions on ubuntu-devel I remember.
[09:43] <dsas> I remember mdz said that that article and the one linked was correct (but could've been put more nicely). Or something.
[09:44] <jsgotangco> thanks for the link
[09:48] <jsgotangco> brb
[10:16] <Madpilot> later all
[10:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol @ quit
[11:30] <mdke> morning
[11:33] <rob> hi mdke
[11:33] <rob> I want my password reset :)
[11:33] <mdke> rob: right yeah, I read in the scrollback.
[11:34] <mdke> rob: you said you were gonna send some patches!
[11:34] <rob> I hate patches
[11:35] <mdke> why?
[11:35] <rob> I just want to be able to sit down and start working when I get some time
[11:35] <rob> there isn't any rush of cause, just thought I'd mention it after that email on the list
[11:35] <mdke> rob: you can, doing a patch is as fast as: svn diff > patch.diff && mail to list.
[11:36] <mdke> anyway I can request a new account for you, but I'm keen to see you contributing again :)
[11:36] <rob> and kill a couple of birds with one stone
[11:38] <rob> oh, that reminds me, better check out the repo again (and leave it over night)
[11:39] <rob> I've been sticking my head into a few xubuntu bugs
[11:39] <rob> about time a decent xfce4 distro came along :)
[11:40] <rob> anyway, I'd better be off
[11:40] <mdke> bye, look forward to seeing you contribute again
[11:41] <rob> bye mdke, so do I
[03:25] <hybrid> ok can someone help me getting started with docs?
[03:25] <mdke> hybrid: absolutely. Did you see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam ?
[03:25] <hybrid> not thourghly
[03:25] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam
[03:26] <hybrid> ty mdke and jsgotangco 
[03:26] <jsgotangco> read it, its only 3 paragraphs
[03:26] <mdke> and then all the subsequent pages ;)
[03:27] <mdke> the first step is usually to grab our repository and play around
[03:27] <hybrid> yeah, i volunteered to help with the wiki, but i just dont know where to start
[03:28] <mdke> ah, for the wiki, we have a list of pages that need tidying up. It's at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryCleanup
[03:28] <mdke> just dive into something that interests you
[03:28] <hybrid> ok, so i just edit it, no proceedors i need to follow through first?
[03:29] <mdke> hybrid: we have a guide to wiki work at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiGuide
[03:29] <mdke> generally pages just need some help with making them easier to understand, or formatting help, and so on
[03:29] <hybrid> ok ty much
[03:30] <jsgotangco> but then its a wiki page, fill free to improve on it (don't delete or make sweeping changes)
[03:30] <mdke> np, welcome
[03:52] <WaterSevenUb> will the release notes be translatable?
[03:53] <mdke> i hope so
[03:54] <WaterSevenUb> ok. 5 days left right? 
[03:54] <mdke> something like that
[03:54] <mdke> but the release notes aren't in the distribution, anyway
[06:24] <Bluekuja> mdke: ping
[06:24] <mdke> Bluekuja: pong
[06:25] <Bluekuja> I'm getting this error Premature end of data in tag article line 4, transforming xml file into html one 
[06:25] <Bluekuja> line 4 is <article lang="en" id="FtpServerHowTo" status="draft">
[06:26] <mdke> what are you working on?
[06:26] <Bluekuja> i dont see any error inside that line
[06:27] <Bluekuja> but doing xsltproc i get that
[06:28] <robotgeek> Bluekuja: does the file validate?
[06:28] <mdke> Bluekuja: with docbook all the tags have to be in a certain order
[06:28] <Bluekuja> no, after that it says unable to parse
[06:29] <mdke> it's likely that you haven't got the order right
[06:29] <Bluekuja> so it doesnt validate it
[06:29] <mdke> try working on one of our files
[06:29] <robotgeek> Bluekuja: it would have told you expecting blah blah, got: blah blah
[06:30] <mdke> Bluekuja: in our repo, you'll see a script for validating docbook files: called validate.sh
[06:30] <Bluekuja> oh
[06:30] <Bluekuja> tell me more about it
[06:30] <mdke> you run it like this: ./validate.sh ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml
[06:31] <mdke> and it tells you whether the file is valid docbook xml or not
[06:31] <mdke> and if not, why
[06:31] <Bluekuja> ok matt, just a moment i try it and put here the log
[06:31] <mdke> use a pastebin
[06:32] <Bluekuja> ok
[06:32] <Bluekuja> well, with validate.sh i get the same parse error of before
[06:33] <Bluekuja> Premature end of data at line 4
[06:33] <mdke> as I said, tags have to be in a certain order, are you sure you have a complete article file?
[06:34] <Bluekuja> I'm not sure about i have started it from the first line, it's not a copy
[06:34] <Bluekuja> *it
[06:35] <mdke> yeah, have a look at some existing files to see what you're doing wrong
[06:35] <Bluekuja> ok perfect
[06:41] <jeffsch> Bluekuja: your first 3 lines are probably something like this:
[06:41] <jeffsch> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
[06:41] <jeffsch> <!DOCTYPE article PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.3//EN"
[06:41] <jeffsch> 	"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd" [] >
[06:42] <Bluekuja> jeffsch: yes
[06:42] <jeffsch> make sure you have the final ">"
[06:42] <Bluekuja> let me check
[06:42] <LaserJock> I prefer ~/ubuntu-doc/validate.sh desktopguide.xml ;-)
[06:42] <mdke> just to be different
[06:43] <Bluekuja> jeffsch: yes final > is there
[06:44] <jeffsch> fyi: validate.sh is nothing special, just a single line... xmllint --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid $1
[06:44] <jeffsch> Bluekuja: hmm...
[06:46] <dsas> plus  20 lines of gpl.
[06:47] <jeffsch> haha. gpl of a command line :)
[06:47] <LaserJock> hehe, that was my fault :-)
[06:47] <jeffsch> Bluekuja: is that the only error you get? Premature end usually comes after some other error
[06:48] <mdke> Bluekuja: paste us the whole file
[06:49] <Bluekuja> it works!!
[06:49] <Bluekuja> great
[06:50] <Bluekuja> i didnt added the closing tag
[06:50] <Bluekuja> *add
[06:50] <Bluekuja> of article
[06:50] <mdke> right, every tag you open has to be closed
[06:51] <Bluekuja> yep
[06:51] <Bluekuja> well article one was at the end and maybe i didnt put it 
[07:00] <Bluekuja> jeffsch,mdke: all it works now but the first title is duplicated
[07:00] <Bluekuja> there are 4 titles instead of one
[07:01] <jeffsch> Bluekuja: put your file in a pastebin so we can look at it
[07:01] <Bluekuja> oki
[07:04] <Bluekuja> jeffsch: http://pastebin.com/715543
[07:06] <jeffsch> Bluekuja: you are missing the []  in  "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd" [] >
[07:08] <Bluekuja> i'm getting the same title problem
[07:08] <Bluekuja> i corrected it
[07:09] <Bluekuja> do you see anything else?
[07:11] <jeffsch> Bluekuja: yes, your document does not validate
[07:12] <jeffsch> see the docbook docs for proper <title> tag usage
[07:13] <Bluekuja> let me check it
[07:14] <jeffsch> sorry, it's not the title tag... it's the article tag
[07:15] <Bluekuja> oh okie
[07:15] <jeffsch> ok, i found it...
[07:16] <jeffsch> you can have only one title tag in an article
[07:17] <Bluekuja> other ones are subtitles and so on  right?
[07:18] <mdke> you can have one title for an article, one for a section, etc
[07:18] <jeffsch> one title and one subtitle under the article tag
[07:18] <Bluekuja> oh okie
[07:18] <mdke> Bluekuja: as well as looking at our files, look at incoming/article-template.xml
[07:19] <jeffsch> after that, you should use sect1, sect2, etc
[07:19] <jeffsch> line 32, for eg <title>Methods Explanation</title>
[07:19] <jeffsch> should be <sect1>Methods Explanation</sect1>
[07:21] <Bluekuja> and near first option?
[07:21] <Bluekuja> leaving title will be ok?
[07:21] <mdke> jeffsch: <sect1><title>Methods Explanation</title> ...
[07:22] <jeffsch> oops
[07:22] <mdke> Bluekuja: look at that template, it is really good
[11:59] <Bluekuja> mdke: ping
[11:59] <mdke> Bluekuja: pong
[11:59] <Bluekuja> matt take a look here http://bluekuja.com/ftpserver.html
[11:59] <Bluekuja> put www in front
[12:00] <Bluekuja> it gives an error without^^
[12:00] <mdke> Bluekuja: I see it
[12:00] <Bluekuja> how it is?
[12:02] <mdke> Bluekuja: what aspect of it do you want feedback on? The format looks alright, although the section headings seem to be uneven
[12:02] <Bluekuja> yeah, i need to fix section headings
[12:03] <Bluekuja> well i think that would be a nice doc to put it
[12:03] <Bluekuja> *in
[12:03] <mdke> the links aren't working
[12:03] <Bluekuja> yep, i need to add them