=== mpt_ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:30] bloody hell these translations are exhausting [01:31] we need some scripts next time === mdke swears at whoever felt the need for 3 different english translations of about-ubuntu [01:37] s/3/4 === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-224-132.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sman [n=sman@CPE-58-166-65-82.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:45] hello [03:47] after the partition manager loads the computer stops i've leftit on for days and it just stays on that screen === Guest_790 [n=icechat5@c-24-9-66-252.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:02] hey is anyone there? [04:03] im having trouble installing ubuntu on my toshiba [04:03] whenever the computer is trying to boot from the live cd or the install cd, the screen just turns black and nothing ever happens [04:03] anyone know why? [04:05] hello [04:11] ? [04:11] ? === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106001150603f7d.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:49] Guest_790: this is not a support channel... try #ubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:40] hi guys [05:42] hi jsgotangco [05:42] hey === Taim [n=taim@27.nwkn2.xdsl.nauticom.net] has joined #Ubuntu-Doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:48] hmm, no one around? [06:49] hi [06:49] hi jsgotangco [06:49] so I'm around === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.53.71] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:50] need a password reset on the svn.. [06:51] i dunno the process now, but if Im right, all requests are done with the RT [06:51] RT? === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:01] rob: request tracker [07:01] we have one of those now? [07:01] launchpad [07:01] lp infrastructure [07:02] sycns are now done with rt [07:02] ah ok [07:02] where in Launchpad is it? [07:05] did I mention that I don't like launchpad? [07:07] heh go rant at #launchpad instead [07:08] and they will say "We're working on it, you just need to wait" [07:08] dam closed source junk [07:10] im going to take a shower brb === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106001150603f7d.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:09] hi Madpilot [08:09] hi LaserJock === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:12] LaserJock: ping? [08:15] jsgotangco: yeah? [08:15] LaserJock: just doing some writing, can you confirm if dselect is the one used during installation? [08:16] jsgotangco: I'm pretty sure it is [08:16] Merci monsieur LaserJock [08:17] I asked in -devel just to make sure ;-) [08:21] jsgotangco: ah, Mithrandir says that the text installer uses aptitude and not dselect [08:21] doh, I didn't see you were in -devel [08:26] LaserJock: thanks, actually i knew its all aptitude, but i needed to make sure, dselect isnt one of the prettiest applications out there heh [08:27] (but dselect is still part of the distro) [08:28] so basically we use dpkg, apt, aptitiude [08:29] yeah, I used dselect a time or two back when I mess with Debian years ago [08:30] that is where I was thinking it used it [08:30] yeah [08:30] although the Debian page doesn't recommend installing and doing a dist-upgrade using aptitude [08:30] hrmmm [08:31] must be an old page [08:31] aptitude installs Recommended packages by default [08:31] yeah [08:32] I can see where that could be interesting for dist-upgrades [08:33] won't that add bloat unless the depends are cleverly done (ie, replace apps but not config files) [08:36] you just need to run it as aptitude -r and then it behaves lik apt-get === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:48] is the 'quicktour' in /ubuntu/ in docteam svn? [08:48] and i noticed trunk go quiet - is this because of stringfreeze? [08:48] yes, to both questions, as far as I know [08:50] hm. i only see a quicktour for kubuntu. [08:51] hmm, you're right... I could have sworn the Ubuntu quicktour used to be in our SVN... [08:52] i'm just doing 'an australian translation' (changing color/colour ize/ise etc). and noticed a few 'hm' things [08:53] so i wanted to look them up [08:53] into EN_au, eh? [08:53] yeh. am i stepping out of the closet ? :) [08:54] I think that the quicktour has been depreciated, perhaps [08:54] and string freeze doesn't apply to trunk [08:55] LaserJock, that could explain it [08:56] I thought I remember hearing that About Ubuntu replaced the quick tour [08:56] but I'm not positive [08:56] I know Corey has dropped quicktour - it was his project for Breezy [08:57] LaserJock, me to, but i saw it there, so i was wondering [08:58] the Kubuntu one? [08:58] yeh. sorry. i;ll say that again: [08:59] i thought the quickguides were dropped, but i saw a kubuntu one in svn, and an ubuntu one up for translation, so i wondred [08:59] hmm [09:01] brb [09:03] En_AU heh... [09:03] I had no idea there were so many en_* === Kamping_Kaiser feels victemised :( [09:04] if you get a form asking for your sex, in en_AU the choice would be bloke and sheila [09:04] I was making a chroot yesterday and watched them all the en_* be created [09:05] theres only a dozen :P [09:06] how are those determined? [09:06] I mean what about a en_DE for people who speak english with a german accent? ;-) [09:06] hehe. [09:07] LaserJock, i dont know. they are all dialect, but how big a difference is a question. en_AU could easyily just be en_GB [09:07] heh [09:08] LaserJock: we actually have en_PH here (this is a predominantly english-speaking country) [09:08] which is basically en_US [09:09] really? I wondered why all the filipino grad students in my department spoke such good english [09:10] LaserJock: that is a heritage of our American colonial masters theh === jsgotangco bows to LaserJock [09:11] well, I'm glad our colonial imperialism did some good ;p [09:11] native US citizens tend to have abominable English. Pretty sad. [09:11] sure we now have more fastfood chains that we ever need [09:11] and Col. Sanders stands proud more than ever [09:11] crimsun: like me? hehe [09:12] LaserJock: pretty much everyone including myself :) === Kamping_Kaiser is always amused by the us splitting off from colonial engliand and then doing that sort of thing itself [09:13] it runs in the blood lol [09:13] hehe [09:14] and now we are just about a colony of Mexico so I guess it has come back on us ;-) [09:14] haha === dsas [n=dean@host217-42-226-121.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:19] for confusion, there's always en_CA, which can't decide whether it wants to be more like en_US or en_GB :P [09:20] currently we're going thru a "be more like en_GB" stage [09:20] lol. your in a hard place there ;) en_AU is trying to be everyones bitch [09:21] Madpilot: yeah, we got rid of the GB part much sooner. :-) [09:23] ise > ize [09:23] lol [09:23] :) [09:23] American spelling creates a terrible surplus of "u" ;) [09:23] I was helping with this Edubuntu School Advocacy pamphlet for British schools [09:24] all those words like colour & armour that they misspell [09:24] lol Madpilot [09:24] it is sooo hard to get the ise vs. ize thing right [09:24] then the poor DE people have to use them ;) [09:24] LaserJock, esp. for GB, becaues they care ;D [09:25] I just let the British guys figure out there own spelling ;-) [09:25] or their own spelling, perhaps? ;) [09:26] rofl === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:27] yeah, whatever. I'm american, I'm expected to be sloppy [09:27] but my mom would kill me if she saw my spelling on IRC sometimes [09:27] IRC isn't quite real, it doesn't really count [09:28] lol ++ [09:28] those stupid homonyms get me all the time :( [09:29] those are the ones that spillchuckers never catch either - proofreading still matters [09:29] I'm glad I had trappist and crimsun to straighten me out on the Packaging Guide [09:30] which reminds me, I should go thru the Xubuntu Desktop Guide this weekend - do a proofreading run [09:30] LaserJock: is autopackage evil? [09:31] well, I haven't actually tried it, but from a MOTU perspective I don't think many of us are thrilled about it [09:33] we tend to not like to have people running software from multiple package systems [09:34] with our .deb repos we can know exactly what we are putting on the users computer and it has pretty extensive testing [09:35] right, im actually reading year old ubuntu-traffic postings [09:36] Heh, I was reading year old ubuntu-devel stuff during dinnertime yesterday. [09:36] pre -devel? it used to be sounder acutally [09:36] some people have expressed skepticism about the claim to be able to install apps on any Linux system [09:36] happened across the autopackage stuff then, it seemed it wasn't smiled upon.... [09:37] Nah, I was reading about Hoary time I think, in which it case it was -devel. [09:37] we have a hard enough time with making Ubuntu packages work on Ubuntu :-) [09:37] dsas: im doing a small article about package management systems for a local magazine, i had to list down the known ones, then their pros and cons === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:37] there's also smart which is looming for eft [09:39] hmm, is there a wiki page or something about how to burn an iso so you can install Ubuntu? [09:39] i thought there was 'a while back' [09:42] good night doc people, I'm off to bed [09:43] ;ater mate [09:43] jsgotangco: http://www.licquia.org/archives/2005/03/27/autopackage-considered-harmful/ was pointed to in the discussions on ubuntu-devel I remember. [09:43] I remember mdz said that that article and the one linked was correct (but could've been put more nicely). Or something. [09:44] thanks for the link [09:48] brb === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:16] later all [10:17] lol @ quit === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:30] morning [11:33] hi mdke === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-193.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:33] I want my password reset :) [11:33] rob: right yeah, I read in the scrollback. [11:34] rob: you said you were gonna send some patches! [11:34] I hate patches [11:35] why? [11:35] I just want to be able to sit down and start working when I get some time === Bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:35] there isn't any rush of cause, just thought I'd mention it after that email on the list [11:35] rob: you can, doing a patch is as fast as: svn diff > patch.diff && mail to list. [11:36] anyway I can request a new account for you, but I'm keen to see you contributing again :) [11:36] and kill a couple of birds with one stone [11:38] oh, that reminds me, better check out the repo again (and leave it over night) [11:39] I've been sticking my head into a few xubuntu bugs [11:39] about time a decent xfce4 distro came along :) [11:40] anyway, I'd better be off [11:40] bye, look forward to seeing you contribute again [11:41] bye mdke, so do I === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hybrid [n=hybrid@unaffiliated/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-240.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:25] ok can someone help me getting started with docs? [03:25] hybrid: absolutely. Did you see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam ? [03:25] not thourghly [03:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam [03:26] ty mdke and jsgotangco [03:26] read it, its only 3 paragraphs [03:26] and then all the subsequent pages ;) [03:27] the first step is usually to grab our repository and play around [03:27] yeah, i volunteered to help with the wiki, but i just dont know where to start [03:28] ah, for the wiki, we have a list of pages that need tidying up. It's at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryCleanup [03:28] just dive into something that interests you [03:28] ok, so i just edit it, no proceedors i need to follow through first? [03:29] hybrid: we have a guide to wiki work at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiGuide [03:29] generally pages just need some help with making them easier to understand, or formatting help, and so on [03:29] ok ty much [03:30] but then its a wiki page, fill free to improve on it (don't delete or make sweeping changes) [03:30] np, welcome === ompaul_isnotfair [n=kailash@ADSL-TPLUS-82-30.telecomplus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:52] will the release notes be translatable? [03:53] i hope so [03:54] ok. 5 days left right? [03:54] something like that [03:54] but the release notes aren't in the distribution, anyway === metatag [n=kailash@ADSL-TPLUS-82-30.telecomplus.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.36.206] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host217-42-226-121.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACC9C6B6.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:24] mdke: ping [06:24] Bluekuja: pong [06:25] I'm getting this error Premature end of data in tag article line 4, transforming xml file into html one [06:25] line 4 is
[06:26] what are you working on? [06:26] i dont see any error inside that line [06:27] but doing xsltproc i get that [06:28] Bluekuja: does the file validate? [06:28] Bluekuja: with docbook all the tags have to be in a certain order [06:28] no, after that it says unable to parse [06:29] it's likely that you haven't got the order right [06:29] so it doesnt validate it [06:29] try working on one of our files [06:29] Bluekuja: it would have told you expecting blah blah, got: blah blah [06:30] Bluekuja: in our repo, you'll see a script for validating docbook files: called validate.sh [06:30] oh [06:30] tell me more about it [06:30] you run it like this: ./validate.sh ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml [06:31] and it tells you whether the file is valid docbook xml or not [06:31] and if not, why === robotgeek prefers ../../../validate.sh desktopguide.xml [06:31] ok matt, just a moment i try it and put here the log [06:31] use a pastebin [06:32] ok [06:32] well, with validate.sh i get the same parse error of before [06:33] Premature end of data at line 4 [06:33] as I said, tags have to be in a certain order, are you sure you have a complete article file? === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:34] I'm not sure about i have started it from the first line, it's not a copy [06:34] *it [06:35] yeah, have a look at some existing files to see what you're doing wrong [06:35] ok perfect === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:41] Bluekuja: your first 3 lines are probably something like this: [06:41] [06:41] "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd" [] > [06:42] jeffsch: yes [06:42] make sure you have the final ">" [06:42] let me check [06:42] I prefer ~/ubuntu-doc/validate.sh desktopguide.xml ;-) [06:42] just to be different [06:43] jeffsch: yes final > is there [06:44] fyi: validate.sh is nothing special, just a single line... xmllint --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid $1 [06:44] Bluekuja: hmm... [06:46] plus 20 lines of gpl. [06:47] haha. gpl of a command line :) [06:47] hehe, that was my fault :-) [06:47] Bluekuja: is that the only error you get? Premature end usually comes after some other error [06:48] Bluekuja: paste us the whole file [06:49] it works!! [06:49] great [06:50] i didnt added the closing tag [06:50] *add [06:50] of article [06:50] right, every tag you open has to be closed [06:51] yep [06:51] well article one was at the end and maybe i didnt put it [07:00] jeffsch,mdke: all it works now but the first title is duplicated [07:00] there are 4 titles instead of one [07:01] Bluekuja: put your file in a pastebin so we can look at it [07:01] oki [07:04] jeffsch: http://pastebin.com/715543 [07:06] Bluekuja: you are missing the [] in "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd" [] > [07:08] i'm getting the same title problem === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:08] i corrected it [07:09] do you see anything else? [07:11] Bluekuja: yes, your document does not validate [07:12] see the docbook docs for proper tag usage [07:13] <Bluekuja> let me check it === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:14] <jeffsch> sorry, it's not the title tag... it's the article tag [07:15] <Bluekuja> oh okie [07:15] <jeffsch> ok, i found it... [07:16] <jeffsch> you can have only one title tag in an article [07:17] <Bluekuja> other ones are subtitles and so on right? [07:18] <mdke> you can have one title for an article, one for a section, etc [07:18] <jeffsch> one title and one subtitle under the article tag [07:18] <Bluekuja> oh okie [07:18] <mdke> Bluekuja: as well as looking at our files, look at incoming/article-template.xml [07:19] <jeffsch> after that, you should use sect1, sect2, etc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:19] <jeffsch> line 32, for eg <title>Methods Explanation [07:19] should be Methods Explanation [07:21] and near first option? [07:21] leaving title will be ok? [07:21] jeffsch: Methods Explanation ... [07:22] oops [07:22] Bluekuja: look at that template, it is really good === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.35.167] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hybrid [n=hybrid@dpc6745217221.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hybrid [n=hybrid@unaffiliated/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Taim [n=taim@27.nwkn2.xdsl.nauticom.net] has joined #Ubuntu-Doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bluekuja_ [n=andrea@host155-171.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Sto] === Bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:59] mdke: ping [11:59] Bluekuja: pong [11:59] matt take a look here http://bluekuja.com/ftpserver.html [11:59] put www in front [12:00] it gives an error without^^ [12:00] Bluekuja: I see it [12:00] how it is? [12:02] Bluekuja: what aspect of it do you want feedback on? The format looks alright, although the section headings seem to be uneven [12:02] yeah, i need to fix section headings [12:03] well i think that would be a nice doc to put it [12:03] *in [12:03] the links aren't working [12:03] yep, i need to add them