=== marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alexr [n=shura@adsl-71-135-12-204.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-253.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] morning [12:41] hi ajmitch [12:42] why are there still more than 10K bugs open? :) [12:44] I'm trying dood, I'm trying [12:45] heh [12:45] http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/international/news/20060512p2g00m0in033000c.html === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun chuckles === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:00] Hi LaserJock. Sorry I missed you earlier. [01:00] looks like you missed him again :p === jamessan [n=jamessan@debian/developer/jamessan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] morning all [02:06] G'night Hobbsee :P [02:06] hehe bye ryanakca === ToadZzZztool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] G'day all [02:06] hi Yagisan [02:06] Hobbsee: just wake up ? [02:06] something like that [02:07] lol... I'm not leaving.... just saying that it's 20:06 out here... === Yagisan spent the night chasing heisenbugs === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee === Hobbsee is jumped upon again [02:07] hehe...what fun [02:07] hmmm... translating is harder than I thought... since all the programs I use are english... [02:08] ryanakca: yes, my wife tells me how hard translating is. Having tried it myself, I tend to agree, and have more respect for her. [02:09] Yagisan: lol.... what language does she translate to? === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] ryanakca: she translates my work stuff to Japanese [02:10] Ouch... sounds tough... I'm working on french... MUCH simpler :) [02:11] ryanakca: need to reverse sentence order, no plurals, no future tense. Not an easy job === StevenK wishes he knew other languages apart from bad English. [02:11] and programs have special syntax/phrasing... It isn't freeform translation... lots of rules and stuff... [02:11] Thank god theres Rosetta.... [02:11] that web interface is a saviour.... [02:11] brb... dog wants out... [02:15] back [02:15] Yagisan: japanese has no plurals or future tense? i'd forgotten about that... [02:15] hi [02:15] no future tense? how does that work out? === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] ryanakca: present & future tense is the same to them [02:19] wow... so I'm walking the dog could mean that I will walk the dog or I'm presently walking the dog? heh... confusing :P [02:22] I suspect it could be determined by context. [02:22] yeah.... [02:22] ryanakca: eg watashi wa omise ni ikimasu. I will go to the shop. watashi wa omise ni ikimasu. I am going to the shop. How do you tell. by context comes to mind, but you need to pick up the implied parts too. [02:23] Hah, I was right. [02:23] StevenK: partially [02:24] heh... interesting [02:24] StevenK: sometimes you can't tell by context, as Japanese is a very ambiguous language. [02:24] StevenK: it is implied or assumed you know much of what they are talking about [02:25] hi [02:25] But if you don't, you're stuffed. [02:25] G'day ajmitch. [02:26] StevenK: this is a favorite of mine. When you want them to do something they don't want to eg buy a service contract [02:26] StevenK: they never say no, instead you get [02:27] StevenK: chotto musukasi desu ne - literally "it's a liitle bit difficult", what they mean is "No bloody way" === ryanakca [n=ryan@d226-20-171.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] heylo [03:08] hi zul [03:09] hey ajmitch how goes the battle? [03:10] alright === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] hello bddebian [03:14] ajmitch: how about a break from ubuntu work, and look for my heisenbugs instead [03:15] which is also ubuntu work? [03:15] Heya gang === persia [n=persia@p3181-ipbf1107marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:15] Hi ajmitch, Yagisan [03:15] ajmitch: not today. future work yes, but not today [03:15] G'day bddebian [03:16] what are the heisenbugs? [03:16] or can you not say, since that would violate observability? [03:16] fine dont say hi to me...*pout* [03:16] Hi zul [03:16] hey bddebian [03:16] I didn't "see" you yet :-) [03:16] sure sure.. [03:16] zul: sorry - my daughter is puking so I'm distracted. Hi [03:17] hehe.. [03:17] Ewww [03:17] Hi Yagisan [03:17] all night shes been doing it :( [03:17] Vomiting children are never any fun :-( [03:19] ajmitch: basically it is observed that some values that are initialised to 100, and *never* touched again, are somehow 0 when compared. [03:19] impressive [03:19] what code is this in? === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] ajmitch: that deng game that I'm cleaning up [03:19] ah [03:20] Yagisan: haha great. [03:20] ajmitch: yet it works on mac and windows === Yagisan wants to cry [03:21] ajmitch: shouldn't be the kernel. There haven't been any strange updates to ac97/intel8x0. [03:21] ajmitch: sorry [03:21] Hobbsee_away: ^ [03:21] crimsun: okay. seems to have been something with ndiswrapper or something really odd... [03:21] it seems to be okay now... [03:21] we'll see :) [03:22] ok, good. [03:22] sound makes me weep, ya know, so please don't frighten me =) [03:22] hehe === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] crimsun: but you're so good at troubleshooting it :D [03:23] for values of good approaching insanity... [03:23] ajmitch. does the order of .c files mater in the makefile ? I doubt it, but, well it would be nice to pick up a health bottle without being punished with instant death. [03:24] it shouldn't matter === elkbuntu [n=melissa@210-84-38-189.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] ajmitch: didn't think so. [03:57] so I think I found a bug with dapper [03:57] not sure if I need to report it [04:03] jabra: if it's not already there, report it [04:08] k [04:08] tryin to check to see if it is right now [04:17] not sure if this is a bug or a fix [04:17] so I have a broadcom 44 and broadcom wifi card [04:18] nope nm [04:18] it is a bug that will be filled [04:18] filed === `6og [n=kgoetz@ppp226-141.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] jabra: note that with 2.6.15-23.35, there are updates for bcm43xx === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] right I'm using b44 [04:41] the issues is flaky connecttion [04:41] yeah, don't know anything about b44 === bddebian sees lots of bugs posted for bcmXXX though :-( [04:42] there are issue with bcm43xx but i'm not even using it [04:43] ok nevermind [04:43] same thing happnes when I'm in xp [04:43] so I gotta call my isp instead of a bug filing [04:43] thanks === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] persia: You here? [04:50] bddebian: Yes - just banging my head against the lack of comments or consistent indentation in vegastrike :) [04:50] heh [04:51] persia: Didn't I upload gweled? [04:51] bddebian: No. gweled is fairly broken in several ways, and my latest patch didn't apply cleanly (outdated). It's near the bottom of my priority list, so I haven't fixed it. I should make a comment in the bug :) [04:52] Oh, OK, sorry. I'm losing track :-) [04:53] bddebian: No worries. Also, could you please reassign #33573? I don't have permission. [04:54] Is that gnome-bluetooth? [04:55] bddebian: Yep. When I try to assign to "Nobody" instead of "MOTU Reviewers Team", it is a NOP. [04:55] OK, I'll try === OdyX [n=Didier@80.33.64.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] Hmm, didn't work for me either [05:35] bddebian: hmm, you got to labplot before I did :) [05:37] Sorry man [05:37] You snooze, you lose ;-P [05:38] hehe, well my inlaws are here so I can't devote as much time to bug fixing :-) [05:40] Ignore them like I do :-) [05:42] I am, they are over at the kitchen table right now :-) [05:42] what about xcircuit [05:42] just leave them all to bddebian [05:42] I was trying to ping Kamion to see if he would get pissed if I just uploaded it :-) [05:42] bddebian: have you requested a sync? [05:42] bddebian: I don't think so, the UVFe was approved [05:43] ajmitch: It's a new package from upstream [05:43] Jumping Debian [05:43] why should he care then? [05:43] I dunno, seems like I'm always getting in trouble for shit :-) [05:43] if it's universe, and doesn't break the archive, then it should be ok [05:43] OK, I'm on it then === ajmitch jumped several versions past debian for zope-zwiki === bddebian copy/pastes this conversation to show to people that yell at him :-) [05:44] bddebian: it looked pretty good to me. I haven't built it yet [05:44] of course debian had bugs filed with no response about new upstream versions, etc [05:44] LaserJock: It works great afaict [05:44] ajmitch: I think tuxmaniac intends to ITP it for Debian [05:44] Or at least send the packaged version over for them [05:44] if it's in debian, then there's no ITP involved [05:45] ajmitch: it is up for adoption [05:45] right [05:45] That's what I meant, sorry [05:45] still not an ITP [05:45] so whatever the "I'm going to adopt it" is [05:45] you have to know your TLAs to work in debian [05:46] bddebian: did you happen to test it on ppc? [05:47] No, I don't have a PPC :-( [05:47] how about sparc64 or ia64? :) [05:48] You can buy me one of each of those too :-) [05:49] well there is a bug open about ppc and I wondered if it would be fixed with the new version [05:50] I believe it will but I don't know for sure [05:50] It definetly fixes the menu bug [05:59] yeah, it would at least be good to have a newer version for the reporter to try [06:00] It's up === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] bddebian: I see it, great === ajmitch spots the xcircuit upload & yells at bddebian [06:06] heh [06:06] <`6og> lol ajmitch - i was about to say that ;P [06:06] I don't care about you guys, I fear the wrath of Kamion, mdz, elmo, etc ;-P [06:07] you don't care about us? [06:07] I'm deeply hurt now [06:07] Bah, I love you guys man [06:07] hah [06:07] as if ;) [06:07] And that's pretty tough for a right-wing nutjob to admit ;-P [06:08] you're right-wing? hah [06:08] Well next to most of you I'm Rush Limbaugh :-) [06:09] Go Rush! ;-) [06:09] bddebian: nah, I'd still call you a flaming liberal ;) [06:11] which Burgundiva told me the other day, was not an insult in Canada ;-) [06:11] LaserJock: that's because canada is full of communists anyway :) [06:12] Canukistan? ;-P === bddebian hides [06:13] don't worry [06:13] we've got Comrade Helen for a leader here :) === ajmitch looks at the bug list [06:19] Why, you aren't going to fix anything anyway === bddebian runs away [06:20] true === ajmitch gives up & revokes his key [06:20] bah === ajmitch gives all his packages over to bddebian to maintain ;) [06:23] Yeah right :-) [06:26] hmm, I've got a zope-zms unmet dep bug on my list. ajmitch you fixing that? [06:27] LaserJock: how's it on your list? [06:27] He's hitting all the zope ones [06:27] bug 41550 is assigned to me [06:27] Malone bug 41550 in zope-zms "[UNMETDEPS] zope-zms has unmet dependencies" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41550 [06:28] it *may* get removed from dapper, not sure [06:28] barely maintained in debian, at least [06:28] ajmitch: zope-zms is on my list of science bugs I think [06:28] ok [06:28] but it's just waiting on packages in NEW [06:28] as are the rest of the zope uninstallables [06:28] ok, cool [06:28] I should harass kamion again === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:30] I have motuscience as a bug contact for ~ 400 source packages [06:32] the only problem is that there is a science package named "boot" so I'm getting a bunch of bugs about boot problems :( [06:32] that's good [06:33] then we've at least got someone watching that package who can reassign the bugs [06:33] heh, true. I hadn't thought of that [06:34] as long as I don't have a package called "X" [06:34] :-) [06:36] hehe [06:37] the only problem has been that I can't unsubscribe a team === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.53.71] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:51] bddebian: Hi again.. Good morning [06:53] Heya tuxmaniac [06:53] tuxmaniac: Uploaded your xcircuit :-) [06:53] bddebian: Yeah saw it.. And seems like the thanks is always flowing in the opposite direction [06:54] ?? [06:57] bddebian: no yaar!! You always say thanks to me for my wrk.. [06:57] bddebian: Actually I should be saying thanks for encouraging this n00b [06:58] :-) [06:58] We're all n00bs in some way or another :-) [06:59] bddebian: :)) [06:59] So its night there isnt it? [07:00] Sort of. Technically it's morning ;-) [07:00] 1am [07:00] bddebian: Oh ok [07:04] hi tuxmaniac [07:05] LaserJock: Saw my guru's work?? [07:05] tuxmaniac: yeah, I had to tell him to do it ;-) [07:05] LaserJock: he has changed status of Xcircuit to fix committed === tuxmaniac grabs his thanks from bddebian and gives it to LaserJock [07:06] no no, the thanks does belong to you tuxmaniac [07:06] and I'm ver gratefull for bddebian's help [07:07] anyways.. lets all work for Community [07:07] no personal pleasure involved.. though anything and everything will have some selfishness [07:07] like bddebian 's karma of 50K :D [07:08] heh [07:08] I'm in it for the money [07:08] :-) [07:08] :)) [07:12] Not anymore they knocked me down to 20 some K :-) [07:12] LaserJock: :-) === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:31] LaserJock: money? where?? [07:32] ajmitch: I was about to ask that!! But thought it was out of topic [07:32] :) [07:32] never === ajmitch is a poor, poor student === tuxmaniac is a poor embedded software professional :)\ [07:33] hehe [07:36] yeah, I'm a grad student with a grad student wife that just graduated [07:36] so that is like way poor [07:36] yeah I've got a friend like that [07:36] except his wife is sick, he's got 4 kids [07:37] so they're even poorer [07:37] yikes, I don't have any kids === bddebian has 3 and better get his butt to bed.. :-) [07:38] hehe [07:38] night bddebian :) [07:38] Gnight folks.. [07:38] Keep up the good work! :-) [07:38] And thanks again tuxmaniac ;-P === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac wonders if this is a ubuntu-poverty channel [07:46] probably [07:47] the rich people are the ones who don't have time for such frivolities :) [07:49] I bet -devel has all the rich ones :-) [07:49] notice that sabdfl doesn't hang out here often ;-) [07:50] haha [07:50] -devel has the ones who are truly whipped :) [07:50] with the hours they put in... === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@69.60.114.104] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:04] hi G0SUB === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@p3181-ipbf1107marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sphivo [n=sphivo@24-181-194-150.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MeerKatje [n=meerkat@dsl-165-22-15.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 is now known as vud0 === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@pcd730116.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:23] oh geez, 1 June is right around the corner :/ === jinty [n=jinty@212.Red-83-54-75.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud0 is now known as vud1 [09:25] crimsun: yes, although I'll be glad to get it done [09:25] this is my first complete release, and it has been long === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] this one certainly is going to have been long, although I surely will not miss what I had to do with vlc for Breezy. [09:27] that was a three-day stint with no sleep wrestling with wxwidgets2.6 and finally throwing in the towel and reverting to wxwindows2.4 [09:28] uggh [09:28] and of course, there are /still/ complaints about its ugly interface in breezy ;) === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:53] hi all === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:24] hi people [10:24] hi [10:37] crimsun: hi === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.225] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@lns02-0276.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:49] hi phanatic ivoks freeflying crimsun [10:50] hey zakame [10:50] zakame: hey === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-123-16.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.22] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryu [n=ryu@p5487DA40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] crimsun: pong [12:25] morning [12:27] hi siretart === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] heyho ajmitch [12:33] hi siretart === Hobbsee looks around for a likely uploader === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@pD9E2B141.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] not yet though :) [12:34] hi Hobbsee === ajmitch hides [12:40] Hobbsee: you just have a Jabber account die? [12:53] kgoetz: ah, yeah [12:53] ajmitch: hehe...i'll be nice to you this time, and not make you do it :P [12:53] you finished the last lot yet? [12:58] of course === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee. [01:06] hi StevenK [01:07] poor Hobbsee, always getting squashed [01:07] Hence why she's so little! [01:07] hehe === Mithrandir stretches Hobbsee a bit === Hobbsee squeals - now that's not nice Mithrandir! === kgoetz lols === kgoetz imagines a 2.5m tall Hobbsee [01:10] Hobbsee: I'm just bringing you back to your proper shape! === Hobbsee turns into HobbseeTriangle [01:11] hi Mithrandir [01:11] hiya ajmitch [01:11] hi Mithrandir [01:11] hi tseng [01:11] hiya to you too tseng [01:11] hi Hobbsee === tseng downloads SuSE 10.1 to compare mono love === StevenK watches qdvdauthor segfault on exit. [01:16] Such quality software. === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns02-0276.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] hehe === ryu [n=ryu@p5487DA40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] :-[ WRITE@LBA=80030800h failed with SK=2h/ASC=04h/ACQ=08h] : Resource temporarily unavailable [01:20] And there's another coaster. If it was a CD I wouldn't care. DVD media is a little more expensive. :-/ [01:21] StevenK: burner ? [01:22] Yagisan: Huh? [01:27] StevenK: dvd-rws rock. === dewd_ [n=dewd@201.29.133.121] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] StevenK: burner working ok ? I had a burn that did similar things. ended up using it as a coffee holder now [01:32] s/burn/burner [01:32] It just burnt sucessfully. [01:32] It does this every 25th burn or so. [01:33] night all [01:34] night ajmitch [01:34] night ajmitch === Hobbsee contemplates going to bed before 3am tonight [01:35] Hobbsee: why ? all the cool people never sleep [01:35] hehe...true... === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] Hobbsee: remember my heisenbug ? [01:36] Yagisan: yep [01:36] Hobbsee: the root coause is, a routine called P_Init [01:37] kgoetz: jabber seems to be up and down like a yoyo - seems to keep just dropping out [01:37] Yagisan: ah, great. which does? [01:37] Hobbsee: it exists. It is called. It is built and linked correctly. Yet it never actually runs :( [01:37] ah... [01:37] Hobbsee: I made it only print out "Gremlins!" and yet - still nothing happens [01:38] hehe [01:38] Hobbsee: i have one account that wont stay connected, the others file [01:38] gremlins seems like a good thing to print :P [01:38] kgoetz: ah okay... .au by any chance? [01:38] spot on [01:38] they must be having trouble with their server === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] Hobbsee: I swear it just mocks me for the fun of it. At least it was an incentive to try an learn C [01:39] again :/ [01:39] hehe [01:41] Yagisan: I would have pegged you as knowing C. === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] StevenK: well, I can generally understand the code, but I don't really write it, nor have I ever formally studied it. 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[02:51] phanatic: just to make sure no processes are blocking the device. lazy umount will afaik always succeed, but the results may be.. interesting [02:51] usually you can lsof +d /dir [02:51] +D [02:51] siretart: thanks. how shall i use that 'fuser' command? [02:51] lsof +D /dir [02:51] to see whats happening there [02:51] or lsof, yes [02:52] phanatic: I usually run fuser -k /mnt/foobar [02:52] fuser -k to kill [02:52] lsof lists nothing and it still says device busy [02:52] i'll try fuser [02:53] i get still the same "device busy" [02:54] hm [02:54] perhaps the process is state 'D'? [02:55] phanatic: /proc is special. You probably want to stop all processes in the chroot (including the initial bash, or whatever) before unmounting. [02:55] persia: as i said, i already exited from the chroot (i used chroot mnt/ /bin/sh) [02:57] siretart: in other news, i've hacked in a crude roaming solution, that is almost entirely managed by ifupdown === nomed [n=nomed@host124-124.pool872.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:06] kelmo: I had a look at your 'roaming' branch [03:06] siretart: when, though? [03:07] kelmo: but this wasn't really what I described. I wanted a tiny new package, which depends on wpasupplicant. not another wpasupplicant package which introduces additional behavior [03:07] or did I miss something? [03:07] yes, you forgoit i am crazy, and have totally changed tact about that solution [03:07] that was proof of concept only [03:07] no i persure something which fits in with current stuff [03:07] now* [03:08] aha? === kelmo_lap [n=kel@madwifi/support/kelmo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] siretart, http://rafb.net/paste/results/YtJEVw34.html [03:11] that will interchange between those 3 network stanza's [03:12] there are some improvements to ifdown that could make this cleaner, i has spoken very briefly to aj about that [03:12] ifupdown* [03:12] and need to do a writeup and email it ti him [03:13] also, i want wpa_supplicant to pass a shell variable to the action script, a network "alias" [03:13] or rather, a ssid alias [03:14] for the purpose of mapping some network configuration from the interfaces file, for example === thesaltydog [n=saltydog@host206-214.pool8255.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] I don't get right now how this is supposed to work === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] I thought for this kind of stuff, you'd need a 'mapping-script' [03:16] siretart: i did not paste the package diff, just the idea [03:16] the mapping is done by an action script [03:16] uuuh, now I see [03:17] to be honest, I had something else in mind. without the need of any action script at all [03:17] well. thinking again about this.. hmm [03:17] this could be a nice solution as well.. [03:17] hmm. I have to think about this [03:17] i think it is [03:18] i just need to remove some ugly bits over time === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] I need to let a package build-depend on libgtk2-perl (>= 1:1.100-1) if in Debian, or from >=1.100-1 if in Ubuntu. How can I write that line in the control file? === Natja [n=lionel@144-67.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:24] kelmo: what change to ifupdown could make this nicer? [03:24] kelmo: you mentioned talking with aj about this [03:24] siretart: not marking the state of the master roaming interface in the ifstate file [03:25] ie, when you first ifup to start the daemon [03:25] that iface is "up" [03:25] so you have to somehow workaround that [03:25] i used --force option in the action script [03:25] with manual inet method for master iface [03:25] kelmo: ah, now I remember why I wanted to do it this way. because of this [03:26] kelmo: I was rather thinking about starting the supplicant by the init script, and leaving ifupdown alone. at first [03:26] siretart: thats what i previously did [03:26] kelmo: then, the action script ifups or ifdowns the interface [03:26] siretart: but this seems much more comfortable [03:26]