[02:11] <nictuku> neuralis, so, I'm not going to the dev summit
[02:27] <ajmitch> nictuku: missed out on sponsorship?
[02:28] <nictuku> if you mean I was not selected for a sponsorhip, then yes. :-)
[02:28] <ajmitch> a shame
[04:35] <neuralis> ajmitch: same here, it turns out :)
[04:36] <ajmitch> sounds like they're sponsoring very few
[04:36] <ajmitch> I've not heard of anyone who's been sponsored
[04:38] <neuralis> well, i'm a little uneasy about the server situation
[04:38] <ajmitch> how so?
[04:39] <ajmitch> no clear direction that things are going in?
[04:39] <neuralis> without fabio and myself, there's going to be one server team admin there
[04:39] <ajmitch> fabio won't be there?
[04:39] <neuralis> nope
[04:40] <ajmitch> we'll need to spec & discuss online then
[04:41] <ajmitch> what ideas do you have for edgy at the moment?
[04:41] <neuralis> in a meeting now, can't talk at the moment
[04:41] <ajmitch> ok
[07:01] <infinity> neuralis: Did you ask for sponsorship and get turned down, or not ask at all?
[07:10] <neuralis> infinity: i was turned down
[07:14] <jsgotangco> that sucks
[07:26] <infinity> neuralis: Feh.
[07:28] <infinity> neuralis: Did you get a reason, or just a "sorry, try again next time"?
[07:28] <neuralis> infinity: the latter.
[07:32] <ajmitch> hi infinity
[07:33] <infinity> Hey dude.
[06:15] <FunnyLookinHat> so on my fresh LAMP install... why is the server trying to make me download a .php rather than display it....
[06:15] <BlackHand> after restart apache ?
[06:17] <FunnyLookinHat> umm.. fresh install... with a few reboots
[06:17] <FunnyLookinHat> the LAMP installation installs apache, mysql, and php to my knowledge, right??
[09:57] <_r_a_b_> can someone help me set up my server with php
[09:57] <monkee13> what version?
[09:58] <monkee13> just sudo apt-get install php5  then install thr recomended that you want.
[09:58] <_r_a_b_> apache 2.2.2 php4 and ubuntu 510
[09:58] <_r_a_b_> i did
[09:58] <_r_a_b_> actually i got php4, but I'm having troubles with my server
[09:59] <monkee13> what's happening?
[09:59] <_r_a_b_> hackthps.no-ip.org:8008
[09:59] <_r_a_b_> It wont display php files correctly
[10:00] <monkee13> have you configed apache to use php?
[10:00] <_r_a_b_> no, i couldn't find the php lib to include
[10:01] <_r_a_b_> and the directoy listing looks different
[10:01] <monkee13> let me check mine,  I use apache2, php5, mysql
[10:03] <monkee13> what do yo umean it looks different?
[10:04] <_r_a_b_> doesnt look the the normal one
[10:04] <_r_a_b_> idk how to explian it,
[10:04] <infinity> _r_a_b_: You're using apache2?
[10:04] <_r_a_b_> yes
[10:05] <infinity> _r_a_b_: If so, you want "libapache2-mod-php4" (or libapache2-mod-php5 for php5) installed.  That will magically set stuff up to work with apache2.
[10:05] <monkee13> do you have the sites-enabled configed?
[10:05] <infinity> Then just /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[10:05] <infinity> monkee13: Nothing should need to be configured out of the box.  Just needs the right packages installed.
[10:06] <monkee13> true
[10:06] <_r_a_b_> k
[10:06] <_r_a_b_> now look at it
[10:06] <monkee13> I usaully have multiple sites running so I heavily modify my config
[10:06] <_r_a_b_> php works and everything
[10:07] <infinity> Yup, definitely seems to work.
[10:07] <infinity> Now you just need to configure yourself some vhosts for all those virtuals, and you're set.
[10:07] <infinity> monkee13: As do I.  But I suspect you could guess that anyway. ;)
[10:07] <_r_a_b_> yea, thats where the confusion comes in
[10:08] <infinity> (If not, compare /wii infinity with the changelog.Debian.gz for apache2, php4, php5, and mysql...)
[10:08] <_r_a_b_> I have my vhosts set up but they arent working
[10:08] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Okay, this is where you get to add more vhosts to /etc/apache2/sites-available, then "a2ensite mynewsite"
[10:09] <_r_a_b_> http://hackthps.no-ip.org:8008/rabrab.no-ip.org/www/zomghttpd.txt
[10:09] <_r_a_b_> theres my configuration, but the vhosts just wontwork
[10:09] <_r_a_b_> wontwork*
[10:09] <_r_a_b_> wont   work****
[10:09] <infinity> Ick.
[10:10] <infinity> You removed our configs?
[10:10] <infinity> Completely?
[10:10] <_r_a_b_> no
[10:10] <_r_a_b_> i never got the ubuntu version
[10:10] <infinity> Well, this is a default config from apache.org
[10:10] <_r_a_b_> i compiled apache 2 from source
[10:10] <infinity> Oh!
[10:10] <infinity> If you're compiling from source, this is where my effort to help you ends. :)
[10:10] <infinity> I package this stuff for a reason.
[10:10] <_r_a_b_> lol
[10:10] <infinity> Mostly so I don't have to answer support requests from people who compile from source. ;)
[10:11] <_r_a_b_> k well, one last question
[10:11] <monkee13> use the packages it works great that way
[10:11] <_r_a_b_> i have php4 from the repos and mysql from the repos. How can I get rid of apaceh 2 that I compiled and get the one from the repos?
[10:12] <infinity> If you installed it to /usr/local (which is looks like from the config), you should be able to just "rm -rf /usr/local/apache2"
[10:12] <monkee13> rm the directories and config files then apt-get install apache2
[10:12] <mart> hmm - that's the other good reason to use packages :)
[10:12] <infinity> Maybe pick up some other random crap that got sprinkles around.
[10:12] <infinity> And "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork" to make sure you're getting the MPM that will work with PHP.
[10:13] <infinity> (Yes, the packaging system enforces this anyway, but can be a bit unfriendly to people who don't understand what it's saying)
[10:14] <_r_a_b_> what about /etc/init.d/apache2
[10:14] <_r_a_b_> I did what you said, but my server is still up
[10:14] <_r_a_b_> wait
[10:14] <_r_a_b_> nvm
[10:14] <_r_a_b_> :)
[10:14] <FunnyLookinHat> Why won't my LAMP ubuntu server install render php pages out of the box??
[10:14] <FunnyLookinHat> It tries to make me download phtml files when I go to index.php
[10:14] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: Because the LAMP setup on the install CD is broken and didn't install PHP.  Known bug.
[10:15] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: "apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql"
[10:15] <_r_a_b_> infinity, should i delete ect/init.d/apache2 ?
[10:15] <FunnyLookinHat> infinity, oooh, hahaha..
[10:15] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: I'll fix it before release, honest. :)
[10:15] <FunnyLookinHat> thanks!
[10:15] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Have you installed the Ubuntu packages yet?
[10:15] <ivoks> infinity: like that smbspool bug? :)
[10:15] <_r_a_b_> no
[10:15] <infinity> _r_a_b_: If not, then yes, delete the init script first.
[10:16] <infinity> (You'll get a new one with the package)
[10:16] <FunnyLookinHat> infinity, do I have to dpkg-reconfigure apache2 after i install those?
[10:16] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: No, just restart it.
[10:16] <FunnyLookinHat> kk
[10:16] <infinity> ivoks: Yeah, yeah.
[10:16] <infinity> ivoks: TODO list this -->    <-- big, time allotment this --><-- big.
[10:16] <infinity> ivoks: Getting there, though.
[10:17] <ivoks> infinity: i know :/
[10:17] <infinity> Oh well.  Edgy release cycle should be much better.
[10:18] <infinity> I'm dropping pretty much anything and everything I do that's even vaguely desktop-related (bubye Thunderbird!) and concentrating entirely on ubuntu-server and archive maintenance (buildd stuff, etc)
[10:18] <infinity> So, y'know.  I might actually be able to work 8 hour days instead of 16 hour days.
[10:18] <monkee13> infinity: I just realized who you are, I will definitly come back here with my questions.   I just moved over to ubuntu from fedora aout two weeks ago and I LOVE it.
[10:19] <_r_a_b_> whats up with this package
[10:19] <ivoks> infinity: i thing you have new admirer :)
[10:19] <ivoks> k
[10:19] <ivoks> grr...
[10:19] <monkee13> I have also converted over about four coworkers that prefer ubuntu over fedora
[10:20] <infinity> ivoks: I could use one, I mostly just get abuse from you guys. *grin*
[10:21] <ivoks> infinity: sorry for that :(
[10:22] <infinity> Ah well... At least neuralis loves me.
[10:22] <ivoks> lol
[10:22] <ivoks> well, i would love to help you
[10:23] <infinity> He will be coming to the summit afterall, BTW, so if you have server-related spec ideas, please bounce them off him so he and I can discuss them in Paris.
[10:23] <_r_a_b_> infinity, isn't there supposed to be a SeverName in the conf?
[10:24] <infinity> _r_a_b_: The conf is split.  And no, the default conf doesn't need a ServerName, only the vhosts do.
[10:24] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Set up vhosts in /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[10:24] <ivoks> infinity: that means I'm not invited? :)
[10:24] <infinity> ivoks: It's a small summit.  neuralis and I will be the only server guys there, from the looks of things.
[10:25] <infinity> Which is fine, cause we're aiming for a very small number of achievable specs this time around, nothing pie-in-the-sky.
[10:25] <ivoks> ok
[10:25] <infinity> I would like to see something come of the s390 port, but I haven't heard from that crowd in a while.
[10:26] <infinity> They kinda went dead after much talk a few months ago.
[10:26] <_r_a_b_> infinity, so i just make copies of default and put them in the sites-avalible folder?
[10:26] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Well, default's probably a lot more wordy than what you want.
[10:26] <_r_a_b_> yea
[10:26] <infinity> _r_a_b_: The smaller chunks that you had in your old config would be fine.
[10:26] <_r_a_b_> do i just add onto default?
[10:27] <infinity> Doing one site per file works well, IMO, hence the way it's split.
[10:27] <_r_a_b_> name them anything?
[10:27] <infinity> default will just end up being a catch-all for anything that doesn't match the ServerName/ServerAlias in your other sites.
[10:27] <infinity> Name them whatever.  I usually name them the same as ServerName.
[10:28] <infinity> So I can then "a2ensite www.foo.com" to enable a site.
[10:28] <_r_a_b_> a3ensite?
[10:28] <_r_a_b_> a2ensite**?
[10:28] <ivoks> Apache2ENableSITE
[10:28] <FunnyLookinHat> infinity, dude apparently the LAMP install didn't install mysql either!
[10:29] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: No?  Awesome.  "apt-get install mysql-server" :)
[10:29] <infinity> FunnyLookinHat: I need to mangle that thing and make sure it's right for Flight-8.  Sorry about the breakage.
[10:29] <infinity> (Yay, beta releases)
[10:29] <ivoks> _r_a_b_: a2ensite links site from sites-available to sites-enabled
[10:30] <_r_a_b_> Ohhh
[10:30] <_r_a_b_> k, im movingmy sites into site-avalible
[10:30] <ivoks> _r_a_b_: ubuntu/debian way of handling sites is much nicer than upstream or redhat
[10:30] <ivoks> (/me works with redhat and can't wait dapper to get out)
[10:31] <infinity> ivoks: We get a lot of people whining about it, but they seem to be people with very few sites who love a giant httpd.conf.  Anyone who runs massive sites already used a similar setup anyway, so finds it intuitive.
[10:31] <_r_a_b_> This site does not exist!
[10:31] <infinity> (This config setup was basically based on the way thom and I both did our apache1.3 setups on our own machines)
[10:31] <ivoks> infinity: ignore them... this way is muuuch nicer
[10:31] <ivoks> _r_a_b_: typo?
[10:31] <FunnyLookinHat> infinity, yea i just ran mysql-server mysql-client
[10:31] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Spelling counts. :)
[10:31] <FunnyLookinHat> : P
[10:32] <_r_a_b_> wtf
[10:33] <ivoks> _r_a_b_: what's the problem?
[10:33] <_r_a_b_> uhm
[10:33] <_r_a_b_> apache2 not found
[10:33] <ivoks> _r_a_b_: talk to me, infinity has much more things to do now
[10:33] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Try being a bit more verbose. :)
[10:33] <infinity> _r_a_b_: What complains about that?
[10:33] <_r_a_b_> infinity told me to delete apache2 in ect/init.d/ in my old install
[10:34] <ivoks> ok, i would say "put more words in it..." :)
[10:34] <ivoks> _r_a_b_: right
[10:34] <_r_a_b_> then i installed the package from the repos
[10:34] <ivoks> ok
[10:34] <_r_a_b_> and it never came back
[10:34] <ivoks> sure it did
[10:34] <infinity> _r_a_b_: Oh, you already had apache2-common installed, didn't you?  (that's where the init script comes from)
[10:34] <_r_a_b_> maybe
[10:34] <_r_a_b_> i dont think i did
[10:34] <ivoks> apt-get --reinstall install apache2-common
[10:35] <infinity> _r_a_b_: dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2-common*deb
[10:35] <ivoks> ....or that :)
[10:35] <infinity> ivoks: reinstall won't replace deleted conffiles.
[10:35] <infinity> ivoks: Since deleting a conffile is a valid change, so we won't "undo" it.
[10:35] <ivoks> ah, ok
[10:35] <ivoks> my bad
[10:35] <_r_a_b_> :)
[10:36] <_r_a_b_> omg
[10:36] <_r_a_b_> <3
[10:36] <_r_a_b_> i love you
[10:37] <ivoks> someone correctly noted that with so many hugs and "i love you" we are getting more gay every day :)
[10:37] <infinity> (Not that there's anything wrong with that)
[10:38] <ivoks> of course
[10:38] <infinity> Okay, it should be a crime against humanity for a build to fail after 91 hours...
[10:39] <ivoks> lol
[10:39] <ivoks> that remindes me on my gentoo days :)
[10:39] <ivoks> short and bitter period
[10:42] <infinity> Also, people using [ -f /proc/kcore ]  to determine if you have /proc mounted should be shot.
[10:42] <infinity> That is all.
[10:43] <infinity> maswan: Many thanks.
[10:43] <maswan> ivoks: a sufficiently large rock dropped from orbit doesn't need fancy nuke inside. :)
[10:44] <ivoks> maswan: it does, to make sure radiation eliminates all offspring :)
[10:45] <maswan> ivoks: see "sufficiently". ;)
[10:45] <ivoks> hehe
[10:51] <ivoks> well, that's all from me for today (couple of bad jokes and another 500 translation messages)
[10:51] <ivoks> bye