[12:14] HedgeMage, pygi listen, just send me over a chapter that you need doing and I'll do my best to get it done ASAP, on average, how long are your chapters? [12:15] cbx33, part V should be rather easy to do [12:15] no definite on longness of chapters, just make them do what they are supposed to do [12:15] np [12:15] oki, thanks cbx33 [12:16] I'll give that a go tomorrow [12:16] bit ti tired to do any now I'm afraid [12:16] nice :) [12:16] what kinda deadline are we talking about here [12:16] pygi: what's your real name so I know which chapters are yours? [12:16] well, deadline is over :( [12:16] HedgeMage, Mario? :) [12:16] 10th wasn't it? [12:16] ahh ok :) [12:16] cbx33, indeed :( [12:16] ok I'll do my best. [12:17] HedgeMage, are you done with your chapters? [12:17] see ya later guys [12:17] cbx33, I know you will [12:17] bye [12:17] pygi: almost... finishing today [12:17] HedgeMage, oki, do an upload once you are done, and then we will discuss how to proceed [12:17] okie dokey [12:17] :D [12:17] :( [12:18] pygi: why the :( ? [12:18] because we are past the deadline, and I dont like that :( === HedgeMage nods [12:18] I know, that's why I started asking around === HedgeMage gets to work === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-165-202-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [12:26] hi jane_ === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === schoolinux [n=saeed@84.11.59.127] has joined #edubuntu === schoolinux [n=saeed@84.11.59.127] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === hierophant [n=chatzill@unaffiliated/hierophant] has joined #edubuntu [02:33] im loading edubuntu right now =) [02:33] excellent. How's HedgeMage's howto working out? [02:35] hi hierophant how's it going? [02:35] good [02:35] its going good [02:42] great :) [02:43] crimsun: have you done many edubuntu installs? [02:43] (dapper installs) [02:52] has anyone had the workstation (standalone) install ask for x config info before? [02:53] HedgeMage: no [02:54] me either [02:54] apparently it just asked hierophant [02:54] what is it asking? [02:54] and showed him some rather large resolution choices (I was going to have him pick something conservative, then play with it later) [02:54] hierophant: hey in here please [02:54] ok [02:55] it just got stuck on loading hardware drivers on the startup [02:55] that way everyone can help [02:55] hmmm perhaps it was weirded out by your video card [02:55] what do you have? [02:56] dont remember [02:56] ug i dont want to have to put windoes in again [02:57] lol we can tackle anything that comes along :D [02:58] i get -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied [02:58] after i put in my user and p word [02:59] ill re boot [03:01] got tuck at loading hardware drivers again [03:03] hierophant: what video card do you have? [03:03] I dont know [03:03] open up the computer and look :P [03:03] can you choose the 'vesa' driver? [03:03] they usually have names printed on them [03:04] its an asus [03:04] =/ [03:04] if you're not sure, just choose the vesa one for now. [03:07] vesa? [03:07] crimsun: it doesn't seem to give him the whole xorgconf, just asks for resolution and dumps him at a login prompt [03:08] hierophant: was your computer purchased prebuilt or as parts? [03:08] i built it [03:08] and you don't know what video card you put in? [03:08] i have an asrock duel monitor p4i65gv [03:08] is it onboard or a seperate card? [03:08] for my mother board [03:08] seperate [03:11] Is there anyway i can disable loading hardware drivers [03:11] cause it gets past esential drivers [03:11] or should i load the drivers ofr my vid card and then try to boot again [03:12] I have an asus v303 vid card [03:14] ill load the drivers [03:16] hierophant> i get the error Failed to start yor x server [03:20] hmm, does it use the nv driver? [03:22] nv driver? [03:24] nvidia === hierophant_ [n=chatzill@adsl-75-14-212-92.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu === hierophant_ is now known as hierophant [03:58] hierophant: any progress? [03:59] no i am re installing windows so i can type up somthing hedgemage is going to submit a bug and then i will test when a patch comes out =) [04:02] hopefully the patch will work [04:41] hierophant: yep I'll ask around and see what I can find [04:41] I"m not a video person... so maybe someone will have something [04:41] otherwise, you can always consider trying a different video card === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA2 [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-171-33.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [06:29] yo! === B4zzA3 [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-171-33.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-123-16.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA-Portable [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-171-33.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === raekism [n=raekism@c-68-38-189-125.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA-Portable [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-171-33.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=prochat1@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === nettogrof [n=nettogro@pdpc/supporter/active/nettogrof] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === nettogrof [n=nettogro@pdpc/supporter/active/nettogrof] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs4.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Phlosten [n=Phlosten@60.228.164.139] has joined #edubuntu [12:11] hello all [12:16] hello Phlosten [12:17] is there a seperate development channel for edubuntu? [12:23] Phlosten, nope, development happens either here or in #ubuntu-devel [12:24] cool, i have a few question regarding edubuntu if a few people are free to answer them, nothing major I hope. I am organising a project to present ubuntu to the teacher community and wanted to iron out some things [12:31] Phlosten, currently we only have one developer to abuse (ogra), so we don't need a whole channel for that ;) [12:32] haha [12:32] Burgundavia_, the crowd is growing ;) [12:32] is there a list of what is installed in edubuntu vs ubuntu? [12:33] do you also know that when you open firefox in the current edubuntu 6.06, it says welcome to 5.10? [12:34] that shouldnt happen anymore in todays image [12:34] i uploaded the final artwork on friday [12:34] cool [12:34] the homapage is part of it, as well as a new gnome splash and a new wallpaper [12:34] *homepage [12:34] i guess the edubuntu does not use dhcp to auto setup the network on install because of the LTSP? [12:34] yep [12:35] ok cool, that kind of threw me for a second [12:35] you can use the workstation version, that behaves like a normal ubuntu [12:35] (and has no ltsp aboard indeed ) [12:36] i need to know LTSP as its a major selling point to schools [12:37] yep [12:37] i hope to have a 12 machine LTSP setup in the local high school by the end of the year [12:38] is there a windows equivalent to LTSP? [12:39] Phlosten: cytrix [12:39] winframe [12:39] ah rightio citrix metaframe [12:39] my spelling is off. [12:39] costly? [12:39] btw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy has a list of desktop apps (its WIP, but already very far) === B4zzA2 [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-171-33.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [12:41] i have just been tormenting a teacher friend of mine for an insite into issues that will stand in the way of getting Ubuntu into schools [12:41] Phlosten, from someone who has tried to sell desktop linux into schools (and does so into libraries), I can tell you it is hard [12:41] Burgundavia_, and I would agree with you :) [12:42] the best way to get it in is guerilla style, with an individual teacher [12:42] once it is a proven technology on the ground, you may have a chance with those in suits [12:42] yeah, I will be 'selling' Ubuntu through this teacher friend of mine [12:43] our state government already has an open source project on the go so things are drifting the open source way anyway [12:43] where do you live? [12:43] New South Wales, Australia [12:43] ah [12:43] anyway, I have to sleep, as it is quarter to 4am here [12:44] ah, indeed, sleep fits in good right about then [12:45] just working on setting up an LTSP network at home :) [12:45] Phlosten: costly is an understatement. so DET or TAFE ? [12:45] DET === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953ea.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:46] i am actually a Tafe student, so I will target them later :) [12:46] Phlosten: good luck. TAFE was tight arse when I was there [12:47] Phlosten: which TAFE ? [12:49] OTEN-DE [12:49] distance education [12:50] the distance education unit that has no concept of the word 'distance' [12:50] Phlosten: oh they were nice. Did my HSC through them [12:50] ok, my crappy slow machine is not going to boot from the network car [12:50] +d [12:51] Phlosten: we have a nice howto on the wiki for rom-o-matic images to boot that system [12:51] yeah, i did see that, now finding it again === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-171-33.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA2 [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-171-33.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [01:31] anyone around that can help with my LTSP setup? === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-171-33.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === kgoetz [n=kgoetz@ppp202-110.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [01:52] Phlosten: sort-of. whats the error [01:52] ? [01:52] my client boots to terminal only and wont let me login with account that is on the server [01:53] press f7 [01:53] I thought that bug was fixed [01:53] ctrl-alt-f7? [01:53] yep [01:54] just get a flashing cursor [01:54] what does your terminal say ? [01:54] ltsp login: [01:54] with Ubuntu 6.06 "Dapper...." above it [01:54] odd [01:55] you did a standard edubuntu install ? [01:55] yeah, whatever the latest flight is [01:55] maybe an update might be good [01:56] yep. Update both the server + the chroot [01:56] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 [01:57] to change to the chroot to update it [01:57] bugger me to hell [01:57] 469MB [01:57] heh [01:57] should have downloaded a daily [01:57] that don't sound like the latest flight [01:58] flight 6 [01:58] is there a flight 7? [01:58] Phlosten: you may want to set up an apt-cacher type setup [01:58] if there is I could not find it [01:58] Phlosten: yeah. flight 7. I'm seeding the ppc torrent of it [01:58] well I think I will just download the cd then [01:59] this is a test install of edubuntu on a spare hard disk [01:59] hmm. I don't see edubuntu there [02:00] Phlosten: try a daily then [02:00] i shalls [02:00] -s\ === Phlosten [n=Phlosten@60.228.164.139] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Phlosten [n=Phlosten@60.228.164.139] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83.131.250.22] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ [n=pygi@83.131.250.22] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [03:15] hi ogra === Bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953be.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-171-33.arach.net.au] has left #edubuntu ["Bye] === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@201.230.230.160] has joined #edubuntu === Nipoc333 [n=Nipoc@87.112.64.83.bbplus.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA-Portable [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-182-235.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [05:57] greetings === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === marc [n=marc@cpe-071-071-126-075.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [06:11] Hello ladies and gents === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs4.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [06:27] hey highvoltage [06:37] highvoltage, do you have some images of kids using edubuntu we could use on the wiki [06:37] I have a great idea I want to try [06:51] hey cbx33 [06:51] see my pm? [06:51] i have at my pc at home [06:51] i'm in jo'burg atm === highvoltage checks [06:52] can we use any from your gallery? [06:53] brb highvoltage [06:53] ok [06:53] ok more pms :p [06:55] sorry, i responded, but weren't identified... just a sec.. === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [06:56] finally my thinclient server is working again! :) [06:56] lucasvo: is that the dual opteron server? [06:56] highvoltage: unfortuantely not [06:56] an ordinary amd duron or sempron I don't know [06:56] 1.8ghz single core [06:56] ah ok. [06:57] how are things going with htat other server, made any progress since last time we talked? [06:57] I think you mistake me with somebody else [06:57] I don't have a dual opteron [06:58] indeed. i'm thinking of Petaris [06:59] been very short on sleep again this weekend. i must get out of this habbit :) [06:59] why do we need vim in the chroot? [06:59] or ntpdate [06:59] or sudo? === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [07:06] hi juliux [07:06] hi lucasvo === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084E32A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:39] ping spacey === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-255-125.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [08:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiMock - done a little more === pygi looks [08:32] hi cbx33 [08:33] hi cbx33 and pygi [08:33] hi HedgeMage [08:33] what's up? [08:34] nothing resting :) [08:36] :) [08:36] finally time for that has come :) [08:38] what about you? [08:45] Well, I was about to take TT out, but he needed a nap so I'm finishing two quick things, then digging into my cookbook stuff [08:45] btw, do we know when shipit will be up on dapper? === HedgeMage ponders [08:45] dapper will be up on shipit [08:45] sheesh [08:48] hm, well, middle of may :P === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953e7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:10] okay task one done. [09:10] one more to go and then on to Edubuntu Cookbook [09:11] HedgeMage, I'll see if I can write a chaper or two today or tomrrow [09:11] HedgeMage, :) [09:11] how does one create a jabber account? [09:12] http://docs.groove.net/htmldocs/guide/platform/accounts/accounts_identities/accounts_jabber_setup.htm [09:12] for example :) [09:13] cbx33: on a public server you can do so from any jabber client... if you'd like, though, I'll make you an ID on my private server... better uptime than jabber.org and such [09:13] jabber.org server is bad :( [09:13] (Since jabber is designed to be distributed, the servers can all talk to one another, so you needn't worry about being on the same one as everyone else) [09:13] oooh nice [09:14] thanx HedgeMage [09:14] please do create me one [09:14] pygi: it wouldn't be if it weren't so @#$% over loaded... unfortunately, it is the default for most clients, so too many people use it [09:14] cbx33: want your user name to be cbx33 or something else? [09:14] yeh cbx33 is good [09:14] HedgeMage, make me one as well? :) [09:14] okay. [09:14] pygi: sure... pygi? [09:14] or another name [09:14] indeed :P [09:15] also, what I usually do is make each user an email alias that matches your jabber ID (since it looks like an email addy it sometimes confuses newbies)... if you'd like that, let me know what email addy it should go to [09:15] ok cool [09:15] HedgeMage, point it to [09:15] debug@silentkeystroke.co.uk [09:15] ok [09:15] pygi: ? [09:16] mario.danic at gmail.com [09:16] ok [09:19] thanks HedgeMage [09:19] thanks HedgeMage :) [09:20] pygi, HedgeMage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiMock - suggestions, not finished yet but slightly updated will be finished sometime in the next 2 days I hope [09:20] looks nice cbx33 [09:21] Okay, guys, server is jabber.binaryredneck.net... conference server is stupidly named conference.jabber.jabber.binaryredneck.net (working on aliasing it to something shorter and more sane) [09:21] cbx33: peeking now [09:21] pm-ing you guys temp pws now, please change immediately after logging on [09:22] thanks [09:22] (your accounts will take up to 5 minutes to become active, this thing only syncs with my user thing every 5 minutes) [09:23] ah crap [09:23] I forgot my password on the ibook [09:23] hehehe [09:23] I only know the pw from my sister which isn't in the sudoers file [09:23] how can I change the pw without using a livecd or such crap [09:24] lucasvo, use a shellcode and overflow the stack [09:24] :D === cbx33 has been reading a book all about it :D [09:24] lol [09:24] :) [09:24] any easier idea? :) [09:25] heh no [09:25] live cd [09:25] lucasvo: if your little sister is as sneaky as my litle brother was as a kid, ask her, she'll know your pw :P [09:25] is the easiest option [09:25] HedgeMage, hehehe === HedgeMage grins playfully [09:25] HedgeMage, how does the new wiki front look? [09:26] HedgeMage: no, I have random passwords [09:26] I like it [09:26] cbx33: the problem is I don't have a live cd for ppc [09:26] lucasvo: I was attempting humor :P [09:26] hoping to have a few more pictures in there etc, to brighten it up [09:26] cool [09:26] HedgeMage: well, my sister usually uses her horses name [09:26] HedgeMage, did you say you could get me some screenshots of applications in use? [09:27] cbx33: yep, I loaded Edubuntu on my laptop while writing the installation doc [09:27] lucasvo, try running as single-user enviroment, do a remount of root partition, and you should have root privs [09:27] ah nice, not trying to pile on yet more pressure to your already overloaded schedule === pygi never knew how to explain that stuff, but it works :( [09:27] pygi: how can I start a single-user environment? [09:27] ah, ok [09:27] in grub do init=/bin/bash [09:27] pygi, i knew what you meant [09:28] :) not at all... I have more free time this week than usual because hubby is on a field exercise [09:28] ooh nice [09:28] well do you have access to the edubuntu-dco svn repo? [09:28] ah, yes, a guy asked me about the status of edubuntu cookbook [09:29] (in german) [09:29] lucasvo, he asked you in german, or asked you how the german translation was ? [09:29] pygi: I don't have grup [09:29] cbx33: in german [09:29] lucasvo, lilo? [09:29] not translation [09:29] well, it should be same [09:29] pygi: no, some mac thintg [09:30] argh, can you put commands in that mac thing? [09:30] yes [09:30] try: init=/bin/bash [09:30] but init=/bin/bash gives me no such file or directory [09:30] argh, when you select Ubuntu, then try writing that [09:31] hm, that could work [09:31] let's try it out [09:32] HedgeMage, it still doesnt work :P [09:32] pygi: thanks that works! [09:32] lucasvo, ah :) [09:33] how can I change the user password? [09:33] vi /etc/passwd [09:33] ? [09:33] ergh, passwd? :) === pygi was never good at explaining hacking :( [09:33] ah, yes, first I need to remount my filesystem [09:33] cbx33, do you know what I mean? [09:33] pygi: didn't sync yet [09:33] be patient :P === pygi sits down and becomes patient [09:34] pygi: how can I remount my / ? [09:34] lucasvo: no, you edit /etc/shadow [09:34] lucasvo: then delete the hash of your pw from the appropriate line and reboot [09:35] from there you can log in as that username with no pw, and use passwd to set a new one [09:35] HedgeMage: how can I mount my / with r/w? [09:36] lucasvo, just listen to HedgeMage [09:36] pygi, yes i do [09:37] brb [09:43] lucasvo, have you managed to do anything? [09:43] sorry about that [09:43] lucasvo: mount -rw /dev/thing /mnt/thing [09:44] TT came out of his nap and got put right back in for time out in like 2 minutes flat [09:46] pygi: I'm going to bug my host people if it doesn't sync in a couple more minutes... it usually isn't this slow [09:46] HedgeMage, no worries :) === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:48] I should have said 20 minutes... that's what the hosting company says... I've never had it take more than 5-ish before though [09:49] np HedgeMage [09:49] and I'm always excited to get new people on jabber, so I'm impatient :) [09:53] argh, it takes ages to hack 33chars long password :) [09:56] test, am I online? :-/ [09:56] damn connection [09:56] yes pygi [09:57] ah, thanks [09:57] this connection is bad :( [09:58] lucasvo, you alive? :P [09:58] ping, highvoltage [09:58] pong HedgeMage [09:58] ahh hi there [09:58] highvoltage, any progress with articles? :-/ [09:58] was going to ask your JID since cbx33 said you're the one who got him interested in trying jabber [09:59] jonathan@jabber.org [09:59] thanks [10:00] if you ever get frustrated with the down time, you may have an account on my private jabber server. I just set them up for pygi and cbx33 [10:00] :D:D:D:D [10:00] pygi: I had problems with my Inet [10:00] pygi: yes, there is progress, in fact. i have it in an html file at home though. meant to upload yesterday but my connection has been flakey === HedgeMage waits for username changes to propagate. [10:00] but it's ok [10:00] thanks guys === cbx33 waits too :p [10:01] On: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPCrossArchSetup it says: /!\ Note that powerpc clients need some special options in the servers dhcp setup. [10:01] what special config options? [10:01] highvoltage, nice, upload and link from that worksheet thingy [10:02] pygi: will do [10:03] what exactly is jabber? [10:03] protocol? :) [10:03] :) [10:03] lucasvo: open, distributed, awesome IMing [10:03] :D [10:03] HedgeMage, it certainly sounds like it [10:04] i can;t wait for my account [10:04] :D === HedgeMage check it again [10:04] no go [10:04] so HedgeMage what would happen if your server went forever? [10:04] can we still use our logins? [10:04] sorry that was /me checks it again [10:04] ur account would be lost :) [10:04] cbx33: I'd move it to another server... as long as the domain name is on a server somewhere the JID is still good [10:05] ok cool [10:05] brb' [10:07] ack, just looked at my backlog... it's been 45 minutes... I'm going to whine to tech support [10:07] >O [10:07] thanx HedgeMage [10:08] bed timgoodnight pygi, cbx33 and HedgeMage ! [10:08] night highvoltage [10:08] nn [10:08] night highvoltage [10:08] !seen ogra [10:08] ogra was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 9h 29m 1s ago, saying: 'btw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy has a list of desktop apps (its WIP, but already very far)'. [10:10] :D the ESA get's another plug [10:12] cbx33: esa? [10:13] EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy [10:13] aah [10:13] funny thing is, i started the doc, but I didn't make up the acronym [10:13] and I didn't know what i was when someone mentioned it [10:14] pygi, cbx33 -- just bugged hosting co. about it... hopefully they can push it through quickly [10:14] thanx HedgeMage [10:16]