[12:05] <Riddell> raphink: feel free to review and upload her patch http://pastebin.com/715414
[12:05] <raphink> hmm let me see
[12:06] <raphink> ok she just took the support from gnome.mk and copied it to kde.mk
[12:09] <Riddell> seems like a fair tactic
[12:44] <Riddell> Sime: new guidance looks good, uploaded
[12:45] <toma> Riddell: need a nife?
[12:50] <Riddell> toma: nope, it's done
[12:51] <toma> nice, it is the new install wizard, right?
[01:07] <raphink> ok hobbsee's patch seems fine
[01:07] <raphink> I'll upload it
[01:08] <raphink> that means apps will have to be all rebuilt with this new cdbs
[01:15] <rclogger> btw, there are thoughts about using kubuntu as base for the amaroK Live CD ;-D
[01:17] <pygi> nice raphink 
[01:17] <pygi> nice rclogger 
[01:17] <pygi> gah :p
[01:17] <raphink> lol
[01:17] <rclogger> hehe
[01:17] <pygi> damn CAPS :P
[01:24] <Riddell> Mez: I uploaded katapult with your patch
[01:25] <Riddell> rclogger: good idea :)
[06:11] <Hobbsee> hey!  it looks like my cdbs got in!
[06:12] <Hobbsee> yay, thanks Riddell or whoever uploaded it :)
[07:20] <Hobbsee> is there any way to force kde sound to use anything apart from arts?
[07:20] <Hobbsee> ie, not amarok - the rest of it
[08:15] <freeflying> imbrandon: hi
[08:15] <imbrandon> heya freeflying dident mean to bother ya but .... hold on let me paste what i just said in #ubuntu-devel ( no one was alive in there )
[08:15] <imbrandon> 20:12]  <imbrandon> someone got a sec to help me figure out where to look to track down this bug, i can reporduce the bug like clockwork but i have no idea WHY its doing it or what logs / messages to look in to help someon fix it
[08:15] <imbrandon> [20:13]  <imbrandon> hell not even sure what to report it under in launchpad.net
[08:15] <imbrandon> [20:14]  <imbrandon> i dunno what to call it but if you install ( dont even have to use it ) smbfs , hald take a LONG time to start when booting ( like 2 or 3 minutes ) [ this is on upto date dapper , clean fresh install , install smbfs hangs on boot , uninstall it everything is smooth ] 
[08:15] <imbrandon> [20:15]  <imbrandon> not sure what hal ( hardware abstraction layer ) has to do with smbfs and i dont knokw where to look in the logs to be more helpfull but someone could tell me i would be happy to ( the reason i say hal is becouse thats what message it hangs on while booting for like 2 or 3 minutes )
[08:15] <imbrandon> [20:15]  <imbrandon> * message on usplash 
[08:16] <imbrandon>  /end paste
[08:17] <imbrandon> does htat make any sense freeflying heh
[08:17] <imbrandon> that*
[08:17] <freeflying> imbrandon: automatically mount smbfs?
[08:18] <imbrandon> smbfs is a package to allow "mount" to mount smb file systems but you dont have to actualy USE it just have it installed for this to affect you
[08:18] <imbrandon> now i use it but i dident have anything mounted yet or any smbfs mounts in fstab
[08:18] <freeflying> imbrandon: maybe /var/log/message help
[08:18] <imbrandon> ut with smbfs package installed the next reboot hal will hang
[08:18] <imbrandon> for like 2 or 3 minutes
[08:19] <imbrandon> k lemme look
[08:21] <imbrandon> hmm no errors ther at all, everything looks normal
[08:23] <freeflying> imbrandon:  I also have similiar issue with you, no clues now, I bind /home  to a chroot environment, it also need 2-3 mins for bring up
[08:23] <imbrandon> on launchpad.net i dont even know whom to assign this to or if its a smbfs bug or hal bug in the way it handles smbfs ( if at all since its a hardware package ) or if its some other app hanging the boot 
[08:23] <imbrandon> and hal is the last mesage shown
[08:23] <imbrandon> ahhh is it hal on the screen when the boot takes so long ?
[08:24] <freeflying> imbrandon: don't think hal is the right
[08:24] <imbrandon> me either, i think thats just the last thing usplash is showing me while it waits for something else
[08:24] <imbrandon> one sec brb phone
[08:37] <Hobbsee> mornfall: you around?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> mornfall: seems there are a lot of users getting problems with adept lately
[10:27] <toma> morning
[10:30] <Riddell> good morning toma 
[11:20] <\sh> moins
[12:11] <Sime> is it just me or does the bookmarks toolbar in konq like sometime automatically appear even though I've got it turned off...
[12:12] <toma> Sime: i filed a bug that my bookmarks toolbar is randomly disappearing
[12:12] <Sime> ok, that sounds like what I'm seeing.
[12:13] <Sime> it is wierd
[12:13] <Sime> I can't corralate (sp?) it with any action in particular.
[12:13] <toma> yes, and i hate it ;-) I always, for ever, want that toolbar. There should be some lock setting.
[12:14] <Sime> it shouldn't appear/disappear randomly. simple.
[12:14] <toma> right
[12:14] <Sime> mp3 still don't work here in kde apps.
[12:15] <Sime> also mounting CDs seems to hang sometimes.
[12:15] <Sime> (might be FAM related..???)
[12:15] <Sime> I've seen pmount hang.
[12:15] <Sime> ps showed it just sitting there doing nothing once.
[12:16] <toma> someone replied in the bug report wrote that kubuntu patch the bookmark toolbar to not be on by default. Maybe the patch is wrong. I wonder where I can find that patch.
[12:19] <Sime> it will probably be part of the source .deb.
[12:19] <toma> ah, true
[12:19] <Sime> "apt-get source <the right deb name>" will pull it down.
[12:19] <Sime> best to do that in an empty dir. BTW
[12:20] <Sime> kdelibs
[12:20] <Sime> I think that is the source
[12:20] <Sime> I could be wrong
[12:22] <toma> donwloading
[12:36] <toma> a lot of patches, but none altering bookmark menu
[01:17] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[01:17] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_ 
[01:17] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee
[01:36] <freeflying> wired, I have both sid and dapper's pbuilder,but failed times for breezy's
[05:27] <seaLne> toma: kubuntu-default-settings should be setting the bookmarks toolbar to be off by default but if you turn it on it should be saving that in ~/.kde and should therefore stay on, in the past i've had it disapear a few times and had to turn it on again but it always stayed on for a long time (yeah crap description :)
[05:32] <toma> seaLne: oki, I'll have a look at that package then
[05:35] <seaLne> fair enough you might not like the default (i don't either) but it seems impossible that what you are experiencing is happening unless konq never saves its settings? :-/
[05:38] <seaLne> hmm i just found a very weird bug probably in kpilot, on my palm if i set a start and end time of the same (ie 0 duration its just an alarm to remind me to do something) the result in the std.ics file is for an apparently random period averaging a a few weeks
[05:39] <toma> seaLne: i don't like the default, but that is irrelevant. If I turn it on, it should stay on, and it does not do that ;-)
[05:39] <toma> :q
[05:40] <toma> I'll remove kubuntu-default-settings for a while and test without it 
[05:40] <seaLne> toma: what happens if you change the setting then quit all konqs is it set when you start a new one?
[05:41] <toma> (also when i turn it off, if it stays off)
[05:41] <toma> yes, it will stay for a while, and disappears somwhere during the day.
[05:42] <seaLne> i've noticed before with settings stuff that loging out didn't save stuff and the only other times programs would be stopped was when they crashed
[05:42] <seaLne> toma: the same running konq?
[05:42] <toma> no, a new korq
[05:43] <seaLne> did you quit the previous one that you set it in?
[05:43] <toma> and i suspected a crashing konq as well, but that is not the case, i watched it carefully this week. I can imagen the default setting coming up after a crash
[05:44] <toma> mostly it happens when opening an extra konq
[05:44] <seaLne> sorry just trying to think of possible explanations
[05:45] <toma> seaLne: it is weird, first up is to determine if it is konqs fault or kubuntu-patch fault
[05:48] <seaLne> is there any mention of bookmarkToolBar in ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc ?
[05:49] <toma> seaLne: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126556
[05:49] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 126556 in general "Bookmark-toolbar doesn't always show up when (re)starting Konqueror" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[05:50] <toma> Hidden=false
[05:50] <toma> yes, it is there
[05:52] <seaLne> i don't have that
[05:52] <seaLne> [KonqMainWindow Toolbar bookmarkToolBar] 
[05:52] <seaLne> IconText=IconTextRight
[05:52] <seaLne> Index=3
[05:52] <seaLne> Offset=-3
[05:54] <toma> i have something similar
[05:54] <toma> there are a dozen bugs about toolbar bahaviour in konq
[05:55] <toma> I'll not search further, it is a konq problem
[05:55] <seaLne> so you have that + Hidden=false in the section?
[05:55] <toma> yes
[05:55] <seaLne> interesting
[05:56] <seaLne> maybe it is redundant by having the section at all
[05:58] <toma> funny br's http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120481
[05:58] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 120481 in general "No toolbar, split linked view with one locked - first click in unlocked one returns toolbars and main menu!" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[05:58] <toma> it is reasonable to assume somehwere there is a race condition reading the settings of konq
[06:00] <toma> thanks for helping
[06:01] <seaLne> weird problems are never fun
[06:02] <toma> indeed, i rather have something reproducable reliable 
[11:30] <poimen> hum today is avery active day for developer right? I have done apt-get update like 3 times and new upgrades apper
[11:31] <kwwii> hi all
[11:31] <jjesse> hiya kwwii
[11:31] <pygi> hi kwwii, jjesse 
[11:32] <jjesse> hiya pygi
[11:32] <kwwii> so outside of people flipping out about the ubuntu splash, what is up?
[11:32] <jjesse> was there a recent update to the ubuntu splash?
[11:32] <pygi> argh, again that splash  :P
[11:32] <kwwii> hehe
[11:33] <kwwii> I now realize that I am totally separated from that community
[11:33] <pygi> :)
[11:33] <kwwii> I sent pic after pic to them and got no response
[11:33] <pygi> what are you upto lately kwwii ?
[11:34] <kwwii> now it seems to be a big deal and everyone is upset
[11:34] <pygi> no worries :) people always react that way :P
[11:34] <kwwii> of course, I should figure out everyones problems and know what the hell is going on
[11:34] <pygi> hey, calm down :P
[11:34] <kwwii> pygi: no shit
[11:34] <kwwii> pygi: I am used to that from suse, don't worrsa
[11:34] <kwwii> worry
[11:35] <kwwii> I hope that I solved things
[11:35] <pygi> argh,oki :)
[11:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: 1.4.0 is out, btw ;-)
[11:42] <apachelogger> out is probably the wrong word
[11:42] <apokryphos> amarok? Only for packages, I guess.
[11:42] <apachelogger> available for ppacking
[11:42] <apokryphos> *packagers
[11:42] <apachelogger> apokryphos: yep
[11:47] <kwwii> it is a bit harder to work on harder problems per email
[11:47] <kwwii> anyway
[11:47] <kwwii> time for sleep
[11:47] <pygi> kwwii, night :)
[11:47] <kwwii> c u tomorrow
[11:47] <pygi> if you ever need any help, just poke me by mail or somethin
[11:48] <kwwii> pygi: will do :-)