[12:03] <tchize> Hi
[12:03] <tchize> anyone can tell me how to activate touchpad in dapper drake?
[12:04] <awesometaylor> laptop?
[12:05] <awesometaylor> mine got configed automatically
[12:05] <tchize> seems mine is not
[12:06] <tchize> according to various docs online, xorg should point to /dev/input/appletouch
[12:06] <tchize> however there is no such device in last dapper drake
[12:06] <gringo> trt!xgl
[12:06] <gringo> !xgl
[12:06] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[12:07] <awesometaylor> do you know if it worked on breezy badger?
[12:07] <tchize> it worked yes
[12:07] <tchize> however i had various problem with breezy badger forcing me to move to dapper
[12:08] <awesometaylor> really
[12:08] <tchize> yes, cursor was moving on breezy badger, however, the cd had a corrupted libkde .deb file breaking installation :)
[12:08] <litb> what device names are set for sata disks?
[12:09] <tchize> i was starting with a 'could not start kdeinit' message, but i was able to click on it
[12:09] <tchize> i think i'll just plug and usb mouse as a temporary solution
[12:10] <awesometaylor> yeah, that's what i would do
[12:10] <tchize> mm strange
[12:10] <awesometaylor> and try burning the breezy disk again, it probably got curropted
[12:10] <tchize> it does not recognize mouse :/
[12:10] <litb> my friend has plugged his s-ata disk and now wonder how he can acess it
[12:10] <tchize> yes cd corrupted
[12:10] <awesometaylor> i burn linux iso at slow speed
[12:10] <tchize> but as breezy badger does not support my wireless, it's useless ton install it now
[12:11] <awesometaylor> yeah
[12:11] <awesometaylor> i'm on a laptop too, its tough
[12:12] <awesometaylor> my atheros card is hard to set up on most distros,  dapper got it easily
[12:12] <tchize> yeah, but was expecting a ppc version of kubuntu to at least support airport and airport extreme cards :)
[12:13] <awesometaylor> you  might want to check out laptop testing on the wiki
[12:13] <awesometaylor> and see if anyone else got it workin on your model
[12:13] <tchize> where?
[12:13] <mart> has anyone got amarok to work in flight7 with a clean install?
[12:14] <GazzaK> yes, me, it works lovely
[12:14] <mart> (and not copying across an old home directory)
[12:14] <mart> GazzaK: does the Collection manager work?
[12:14] <GazzaK> once you do the wiki restricted formats
[12:14] <GazzaK> yes, fine
[12:14] <awesometaylor> wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:14] <awesometaylor> search laptop
[12:14] <tchize> ok
[12:14] <GazzaK> it collected 2808 files off my samba shared NAS box
[12:14] <mart> GazzaK: you installed from scratch without reusing a home directory from a previous version of kubuntu?
[12:14] <GazzaK> yep
[12:14] <tchize> damn dapper installed in english, i asked for french :'(
[12:14] <mart> and they show in Collection?
[12:15] <GazzaK> total wipe and install off install iso
[12:15] <GazzaK> yes :)
[12:15] <mart> what did you install? xine-extracodecs and libmad0?
[12:15] <GazzaK> just followed dapper stuff in the wiki mart
[12:16] <mart> GazzaK: which wiki?
[12:16] <GazzaK> erm, one mo
[12:16] <GazzaK> this one mart - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:17] <mart> I was using http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/MP3_on_Kubuntu_6.06
[12:17] <GazzaK> never seen that before
[12:18] <GazzaK> oh yeah, my sources.list is modified
[12:18] <mart> bah
[12:20] <GazzaK> mart - http://pastebin.com/716011  this is my sources.list
[12:20] <mart> GazzaK: well, the packages listed on the wiki are in universe and multiverse.
[12:20] <mart> and I have installed them
[12:21] <vaporwave> hi, this may be a stupid one but is there a reason why I'm getting a lot of DNS errors (known and existing sites are not found) under Kubuntu Breezy? What's strange it that it works fine under Windows.. I've been playing around with "option timeout:n " in resolv.conf, but with no improvement...
[12:21] <GazzaK> sorry then, maybe search on www.ubuntuforums.org under the dapper 6.06 bit?
[12:22] <GazzaK> I need to sleep mart it is late here, night
 the pages there are pretty old
[12:24] <tchize> they only mention Hoary
[12:24] <tchize> far from dapper
[12:27] <BrigadierFrog> is there some universal way of telling what distro someone is running
[12:27] <BrigadierFrog> something like uname but tells you which distro it is
[12:32] <eosyn> try cat /etc/*release*
[12:32] <eosyn> or /etc/*version*
[12:43] <DaSkreech> ok
[12:43] <DaSkreech> So Firefox doesn't work
[12:43] <DaSkreech> at al
[12:44] <Snake__> How do I know what video driver im using
[12:47] <litb> is there a tool to modify /etc/fstab on kubuntu?
[12:47] <DaSkreech> vi?
[12:47] <samuli> :P
[12:47] <DaSkreech> ok Ok
[12:47] <DaSkreech> kate
[12:48] <DaSkreech> well
[12:48] <DaSkreech> kdesu kate
[12:48] <DaSkreech> sudo kdesu kate? :-D
[12:48] <_bon> i got a serisour problem with kde it restsrts back to the login when kde just starts i have gnome and it works fine http://pastebin.com/716079
[12:48] <samuli> kdesu kate should do it :)
[12:48] <litb> i mean a grafical frontend
[12:49] <_bon> it say something about comsite manger
[12:49] <litb> i put in my hd and want normal users to be able to mount it
[12:49] <samuli> Not sure about that.. like something to the effect of 'disks' in gnome.. dunno.
[12:49] <samuli> though disks doesn't allow much to be done either. so its just about same to just manually edit fstab
[12:50] <samuli> litb, why don't you just make it mount at the start?
[12:50] <litb> how?
[12:50] <samuli> by editing fstab man :)
[12:50] <litb> he is noob
[12:50] <iNiku> litb: have you tried System Settings -> Disk & Filesystems?
[12:50] <litb> he cannot edit it
[12:51] <litb> no, will try that. thxx unfortunately i haven't the system here in front of my eyes :D
[12:52] <iNiku> litb: it actually looks quite useful, if you want to do things the hard way :)
[12:52] <iNiku> instead of vi
[12:53] <samuli> why is there so many text-editors in linux?
[12:53] <samuli> I mean.. there's gotta be more than 10.
[12:54] <_bon> i got a serisour problem with kde it restsrts back to the login when kde just starts i have gnome and it works fine http://pastebin.com/716079
[12:54] <iNiku> samuli: more like 20 :)
[12:54] <_bon> can anyone help
[12:55] <iNiku> samuli: it's a good thing though. you wouldn't want to still be using ed, would you?
[12:55] <_bon> it gave me an error when i kde started something about compsite manger
[12:56] <samuli> iNiku, one good one would be enough for me.
[12:56] <_bon> is that to do with transparences
[12:56] <samuli> composite manager? :/
[12:56] <samuli> it's really buggy.
[12:57] <iNiku> samuli: have to respect the traditions, too
[12:57] <iNiku> I'd be mad if some distro did not include vi
[12:57] <samuli> :)
[12:57] <iNiku> or emacs
[12:57] <samuli> yeah, whatever man :)
[12:57] <iNiku> other people have different preferences
[12:57] <iNiku> choice is a good thing :)
[12:58] <samuli> it's not like they take up space, hehe.
[12:58] <_bon> how do you restore defualts to window settings in kde
[12:58] <samuli> _bon, do you have a xorg.conf backup.
[12:58] <samuli> you probably do.
[12:58] <iNiku> well, apart from emacs :)
[12:58] <_bon> yeah didnt work
[12:58] <DeBert> Anybody know how to add exceptions to Konqueror's adblock?
[12:58] <samuli> dpgk--reconfigure xorg-server?
[12:59] <_bon> ok
[12:59] <samuli> I'm not and expert on composite, xgl, compiz whatever-stuff..
[12:59] <samuli> but I guess you could disable it with reconfigure.. or by manually editing xorg.conf.
[01:00] <_bon> i was thinking comint out somethinf in xorg.conf file
[01:00] <_bon> but dont know what
[01:02] <awesometaylor> anyone know why amarok wouldnt play music? i have codecs installed, everything plays fine with JuK using artsd engine
[01:02] <_bon> this is my xorg.conf file http://pastebin.com/716100
[01:02] <awesometaylor> i try xine engine and arts engine,  it shows the artists in collection but no songs
[01:06] <sorush20> is there a graph plotter program I can use on my computer?
[01:07] <DaSkreech> kmplot?
[01:08] <sorush20> thanks I'll try
[01:08] <DaSkreech> samuli: Lots of Editors == goodness
[01:08] <DaSkreech> Mostly cause it causes wars :-)
[01:10] <samuli> real reason why usa attacked irak was because they preferred vi over nano
[01:10] <kkathman> lol
[01:10] <awesometaylor> nano == third world editor
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> sorush20: gnuplot is ok
[01:10] <samuli> I'll kill you!
[01:11] <samuli> I sort of like nano.. but really. What difference does it make :)
[01:11] <awesometaylor> lets alliance to invade emacs
[01:11] <samuli> emacs users had it coming.
[01:12] <sorush20> is there one that uses a normal calculator interface?
[01:12] <tedlaz> hi all
[01:12] <samuli> hmm.. I'm going to try and install suse now.
[01:12] <samuli> if the dvd isn't b0rged that is.
[01:13] <awesometaylor> do you know if are opensuse 10.1 dvds out yet?
[01:18] <_bon> could i reinstall all aps from the cd?
[01:19] <_bon> ok
[01:19] <_bon> help
[01:19] <DaSkreech> yup
[01:19] <DaSkreech> As long as you don't mind CLI
[01:19] <_bon> CLI?
[01:19] <DaSkreech> Command line
[01:20] <_bon> lol
[01:20] <_bon> thanks for the hel;p
[02:13] <Kadran> hi, can i write to ntfs?
[02:17] <khaije1> free, easy and legal, pick two
[02:17] <khaije1> most things here are free, and legal, but ntfs has legal issues so it's only free :-)
[02:18] <HymnToLife> khaije1> nothing that comes from microsoft will ever be free...
[02:18] <khaije1> HymnToLife: true, you caught me in an over-simplification
[02:19] <HymnToLife> Not "free as in freedom" at least :p
[02:19] <khaije1> the f/oss implimentation of write capability for ntfs was developing well until M$ blocked it w/ patent issues
[02:20] <litb> what is the kubuntu backport repos ?
[02:20] <HymnToLife> litb> the same as ubuntu
[02:20] <litb> hm?
[02:20] <HymnToLife> I wish they would stop that stupid marketing thingie of "ubuntu and kubuntu"
[02:20] <litb> don'T get that
[02:20] <HymnToLife> it's the same damn thing !
[02:21] <khaije1> Kadran: however with most things f/os you have options, there is also something called 'captive ntfs' which can do this, but i've never tried it
[02:21] <litb> so i can safely enable it ?
[02:21] <HymnToLife> litb> yes
[02:22] <apokryphos> HymnToLife: they aren't really, though. It's not just one distribution with different desktops. They're seperate ISOs, have seperate desktop environments
[02:22] <Kadran> khaije1: is there is apt-get command for installing it?
[02:22] <taomaster> hello all- how do i change the root password?
[02:22] <litb> i only want to enable multiverse to install sun java. is it the right thing if i enable it for that?
[02:22] <apokryphos> yes, the connection is closer than some think, but it's also further than some others think
[02:22] <HymnToLife> It's not just one distribution with different desktops <= yes it is
[02:22] <litb> i'm working with dapper...
[02:22] <apokryphos> litb: nope, sun java isn't available in multiverse. /msg ubotu javadebs   ....for information on how to get sun-java
[02:22] <khaije1> Kadran: wish i could say, but i'm not sure, anyone else here know the answer to his question?
[02:23] <apokryphos> HymnToLife: no, it provides seperate ISOs.
[02:23] <HymnToLife> I heard the was a recent tool for NTFS writing which is more secure
[02:23] <apokryphos> heh, not likely
[02:23] <taomaster> is there a way to change the default root password
[02:23] <HymnToLife> it cheks if it can write without breaking stuff and if the answer is yes it does
[02:23] <Kadran> khaije1: ok never mind i will go the source way not the easy way ;)
[02:23] <Kadran> khaije1: thanks alot
[02:23] <sophie_> Tonio_: yep
[02:24] <apokryphos> ntfs journalling system is quite far from being mastered unfortunately
[02:24] <HymnToLife> apokryphos> and the difference between the ISOs is ? Just some packages
[02:24] <Kadran> taomaster: sudo passwd
[02:24] <apokryphos> HymnToLife: what's the difference between fedora and ubuntu? Yes, just some packages 8)
[02:24] <taomaster> thanx
[02:25] <HymnToLife> it's like I take a Debian CD, knock some packages off and I have my new kickass distro, totaly different than Debian :p
[02:25] <sophie_> toam
[02:25] <apokryphos> erm, yes, that's what a fork is, and that's how ubuntu came about.
[02:25] <taomaster> yes
[02:25] <sophie_> toamaster: have a look at passwd
[02:25] <Kadran> i hate microsoft, it's concept about security is to do an os and burn source code in the fire and don't tell any one that we can't fix it
[02:25] <taomaster> i changed it  thanx
[02:26] <HymnToLife> apokryphos> but in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu case, the different packages are _only_ those concerning the DE
[02:26] <apokryphos> HymnToLife: whatever that means
[02:26] <HymnToLife> and I can turn my Ubuntu into Kubuntu and vice versa in like three commands
[02:26] <HymnToLife> I don't think you can do it with Fedora :p
[02:27] <apokryphos> that really doesn't mean much. Kubuntu is certainly not a fork, but it doesn't share the same connection as the more classical model of a distro offering two desktop environments.
[02:27] <apokryphos> HymnToLife: when ubuntu started out you could go from debian to warty quite easily, too.
[02:27] <taomaster> i really enjoy this kubuntu
[02:27] <apokryphos> it's very good :)
[02:27] <taomaster> lite and quick
[02:28] <Kadran> taomaster: do you use dapper?
[02:28] <khaije1> HymnToLife: i can switch my toaster from kde, to gnome depending on the crisp setting :-)
[02:28] <apokryphos> taomaster: indeed. A lot of effort is put into making it a no-hassle distro ;-), like first-run configuration wizards etc
[02:28] <apokryphos> i.e. not having them
[02:28] <taomaster> yes i have used ubuntu
[02:29] <HymnToLife> khaije1> GnomeBaker might work better than K3B on toasters :p
[02:29] <taomaster>  i did not do the updated version of kubuntu
[02:29] <apokryphos> which updated version?
[02:29] <HymnToLife> but I'm still testing on dead badgers
[02:29] <khaije1> LOLZOR!!!
[02:29] <taomaster> the one that just came out
[02:30] <HymnToLife> if you're speaking about Dapper, it was not officially released yet
[02:30] <taomaster> is there a way to update the version that i have?
[02:30] <apokryphos> not for a few more weeks
[02:30] <HymnToLife> seventeen days to go :)
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> HymnToLife: NetBSD runs perfectly on a certain toaster now
[02:30] <apokryphos> taomaster: of course, yes. /msg ubotu upgrade
[02:30] <HymnToLife> or eighteen, depending on which prt of the Earth you live
[02:31] <taomaster> i must b thinking of ubuntu
[02:31] <apokryphos> nope, they have the same release cycle
[02:31] <taomaster> brain-fart  i guess
[02:31] <HymnToLife> h3sp4wn> I like a good Debian on them, BSD is better on microwaves
[02:32] <HymnToLife> but my toilet can't seem to run anything but Windows :(
[02:33] <___Juan___> errr
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> HymnToLife: http://www.embeddedarm.com/news/netbsd_toaster.htm
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> HymnToLife: Do you have an example of debian running on one ?
[02:33] <HymnToLife> wow
[02:33] <taomaster> thanx 4 the info
[02:34] <HymnToLife> hold on, I'll show you something fun
[02:34] <___Juan___> hmmm... I uninstalled a lot of packages (+/- 100)
[02:34] <___Juan___> Do you know if is there any way to "repair" an Ubuntu installation?
[02:34] <HymnToLife> h3sp4wn>  http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
[02:35] <apokryphos> ___Juan___: what's the problem
[02:38] <khaije1> HymnToLife: now *thats* what i'm talkin about!!
[02:39] <ahmeni> woah.. didn't know how awesome FreeNX is
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> ahmeni: It is alot better than vnc isn't it
[02:40] <ahmeni> yeah, way smoother
[02:40] <___Juan___> apokryphos: I'd need to find a log (if there is one for this) to know what packages I uninstalled with Adept
[02:40] <taomaster> whats the command for the aptget or something like that
[02:41] <apokryphos> taomaster: apt-get install <package>
[02:41] <taomaster> thanx
[02:42] <taomaster> do u think i can install java the same way that u can in fedora?
[02:43] <apokryphos> taomaster: /msg ubotu javadebs
[02:43] <stevekl> Can someone point me torwards how to use k3b as my normal user?
[02:43] <stevekl> he can't see the dvd writer
[02:43] <stevekl> but root can
[02:43] <stevekl> Should I change the permissions of /dev/whatever or what
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> stevekl: what is the output of groups ?
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> stevekl: are you in cdrom ?
[02:44] <stevekl> stevekl audio
[02:44] <stevekl> no
[02:44] <khaije1> stevekl: ya like h3sp4wn, it's usually controled by group membership
[02:44] <stevekl> Ok
[02:44] <stevekl> So I need to be in the cdrom group?
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> I think so
[02:44] <khaije1> stevekl: sometimes therei s a cdrom and a seperate dvd, or even dvdrw group, you'll need to look it over
[02:44] <stevekl> because I can normally READ stuff from my CD drives with my normal user
[02:45] <khaije1> ha! answered your question befoer you asked it
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> stevekl: look in /dev (is my dvd)
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> stevekl: ls -la | grep hdc
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> stevekl: If the group is cdrom then thats the group you need to be in
[02:53] <grpcook> hi
[02:53] <stevekl> ok the group is cdrom
[02:54] <grpcook> i have a problem with flashplayer and alsa
[02:54] <stevekl> And I can add my user to that group with kcontrol can't I?
[02:54] <grpcook> i get the message "can't init alsasink"
[02:54] <grpcook> i use kubuntu 5.10
[02:55] <crimsun> grpcook: cat /proc/asound/cards
[02:56] <grpcook> 0 [I440MX         ] : ICH - Intel 440MX
[02:56] <grpcook>                      Intel 440MX with YMF743 at 0x1000, irq 9
[02:56] <crimsun> grpcook: ok, and does ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav'' work?
[02:56] <crimsun> work => audible volume
[02:57] <grpcook> the sound on kde works
[02:58] <khaije1> stevekl: yes, generally called 'users & groups' under system administration, also launchable w/ 'sudo kuser' via cmdline
[03:00] <grpcook> any idea?
[03:01] <apol> grpcook: in /etc/group | grep audio your username appears?
[03:02] <crimsun> grpcook: ok, good, at least sound works.
[03:02] <apol> sound works...
[03:02] <crimsun> grpcook: flashplayer is oss-only; what happens if you use the artsdsp wrappe?
[03:02] <crimsun> wrapper
[03:03] <grpcook> i can't get alsaconf for example
[03:03] <crimsun> we don't ship alsaconf
[03:04] <crimsun> which Web browser do you use, Konqueror?
[03:04] <grpcook> yes
[03:04] <_rocky> Hello
[03:05] <grpcook> the flashplayer works with games
[03:05] <crimsun> grpcook: what happens if you use ``artsdsp konqueror''?
[03:05] <crimsun> do flash applets/movies work with audible volume then?
[03:06] <grpcook> ok
[03:06] <grpcook> i'll do that
[03:25] <richard2> How I find good information about linux vs window, in advance nivel
[03:26] <khaije1> 'advanced nivel'?
[03:26] <richard2> yes
[03:27] <khaije1> what is that richard2?
[03:28] <richard2> for example, how function de swap memory?
[03:28] <khaije1> when you say nivel, do you mean detail?
[03:29] <richard2> yes
[03:29] <richard2> Diferences between how windows and linux manages the filesystem
[03:30] <khaije1> it's best to ask specific questions here, for general questions, i reccomend doing some research first
[03:30] <khaije1> do you have an idea of where to find the answers your looking for?
[03:31] <richard2> google
[03:31] <richard2> You have a better idea?
[03:32] <khaije1> nothing comes to mind actually... you said you just want detailed information about everythign?
[03:32] <khaije1> i like wikipedia, for when i need to learn about something new
[03:33] <richard2> ok, thanks
[03:33] <khaije1> for example -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_vs_Linux
[03:38] <richard2> excellent, Thanks
[03:39] <Zaire> ummmm anyone knoe what to do if you get the kernel sources gcc and the make files installe but the Nvidia driver still says no precompiled kernel found?
[03:39] <crimsun> Zaire: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:40] <Zaire> IM using mandriva at the moment cause kubuntu is highly unstable on my system cause of my Nvidia
[03:40] <crimsun> 'nvidia' or 'nv'?
[03:41] <Zaire> ?
[03:41] <crimsun> Zaire: were you using the Free 'nv' driver in Kubuntu or Nvidia's binary-only 'nvidia' driver?
[03:42] <Zaire> I couldn't get the actual nvidia driver to even install in it but the one I was using was the nvidia-glx-legacy
[03:42] <crimsun> geforce2 or older?
[03:43] <Zaire> my cards a Geforce FX 5200
[03:44] <Zaire> and I have tried breezy badger 64bit 32bit and dapper 32bit
[03:45] <Zaire> oddly enough though debian itself runs stable on my system but kubuntu and ubuntu don't :S
[03:45] <crimsun> err
[03:45] <crimsun> the fx 5200 is not supposed to use the legacy driver
[03:46] <Zaire> I tried the normal glx aswell no results same issues
[03:46] <crimsun> can you reproduce this on dappeR?
[03:46] <Zaire> ?
[03:48] <crimsun> can you reproduce the "same results" on dapper?
[03:48] <Zaire> crash results yea lol
[03:48] <crimsun> oh, I missed your statement 4 minutes ago
[03:49] <crimsun> hmm, dapper has the latest drivers
[03:49] <crimsun> well, in any case, if you're on Breezy, you need 'build-essential', 'gcc-3.4', and 'linux-headers-$(uname -r)'
[03:49] <Zaire> I think that may be the issue I noticed some note about the newer xorg having trouble with older cards or something of the like
[03:50] <Zaire> well right now Im using mandriva cause its the most advanced distro I have that has working IRC and msn capabilities lol
[03:51] <Zaire> but the thing with all the newer distros Ive noticed is I always get this precompiled kernel not found error and I got the kernel sources gcc and make files for it
[03:54] <crimsun> the precompiled kernel interface message is not an error; it's just an informative message
[03:55] <crimsun> you don't need kernel sources, as I alluded to prior
[03:55] <crimsun> you need the previously mentioned packages installed if you're using Breezy
[03:55] <crimsun> if you're using Dapper, the same packages apply except for 'gcc-3.4'
[03:56] <crimsun> note the distinction between linux-source and linux-headers ...
[04:08] <Ahmuck> has anyone had success in getting plone on dapper ?
[04:13] <rUiSu> hi
[04:14] <rUiSu> hey, ive ot my kubuntu on the first partitions, and the windows at last, how should configure grub?
[04:14] <rUiSu> on the mbr, root, where?
[04:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> !grub
[04:15] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[04:15] <rUiSu> thanks
[04:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> You're welcome
[04:16] <rUiSu> but if i install grub in the mbr, doesnt windows ntldr gets crippled?
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> GRUB lets you boot into Windows as well
[04:17] <rUiSu> ok
[04:17] <rUiSu> :)
[04:17] <rUiSu> im going to try the rescue livecd thing
[04:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> Alright, good luck
[04:17] <rUiSu> ok, thx gbye
[04:22] <humbolt> is there a way to reliably mount a windows share in linux? mounting via smbfs does not really handle filenames right!
[04:33] <rUiSu> hey, no avail :(
[04:34] <rUiSu> the cd sais its not a valid Ubuntu cd
[04:35] <rUiSu> what pages you said?
[04:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> !grub
[04:35] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[04:35] <rUiSu> ok
[04:36] <rUiSu> ook
[05:00] <llukax> hey does anyone know how to log out into the text based terminal?
[05:02] <richard2> for exit of a terminal write: exit
[05:02] <richard2> for logout write: reboot
[05:04] <llukax> no no
[05:04] <llukax> i want to make it so
[05:04] <llukax> when i log out
[05:04] <llukax> it will go to the terminal
[05:04] <llukax> :p
[05:04] <llukax> out of kde
[05:06] <CheezBurgerMan> 'sudo /etc/init.d kdm stop' should to it
[05:06] <CheezBurgerMan> Errr...a typo
[05:06] <CheezBurgerMan> 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop;
[05:06] <CheezBurgerMan> no semicolor (sorry...lots of typos tonight)
[05:06] <CheezBurgerMan> Grrr
[05:06] <CheezBurgerMan> Semicolon
[05:08] <llukax> theres a config file im looking for, i forgot its name
[05:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> What does it configure?
[05:09] <llukax> sessions
[05:10] <llukax> i modified it and now i cant exit to terminal
[05:10] <llukax> because i wanted to test another window manager
[05:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not sure where that is.
[05:11] <llukax> >_<
[05:11] <llukax> me either hehe
[05:19] <talljon84> Anyone familiar with XGL who could lend a hand?
[05:21] <apokryphos> talljon84: #ubuntu-xgl
[05:21] <talljon84> thanks apokryphos
[05:36] <kevindex> hi all
[05:36] <kevindex> I have an xserver question...
[05:37] <kevindex> how do I give permission for a connection from another machine?
[05:40] <rUiSu> hi
[05:40] <rUiSu> umm, so, as i see, root (hdx) is the root of grub(/boot)?
[05:40] <rUiSu> and setup is hd0, where?
[05:42] <brandon_> hd0 would be the mbr of the mprimary master
[05:43] <rUiSu> yeah, burt igot windows installed
[05:43] <brandon_> what's your point?
[05:43] <brandon_> grub will not wipe out the windows bootloader
[05:43] <brandon_> it will only point to it
[05:43] <brandon_> when  you select windows from grub, it imply passes off the task of loading the OS to windows
[05:44] <rUiSu> ok
[05:44] <rUiSu> im gonna tryit
[05:44] <rUiSu> i tought it erased the ntdrl(wich is on the mbr)
[05:44] <rUiSu> has this been donde before?
[05:45] <brandon_> also, if you run into a problem you can use the xp disc to get to recovery console and then type "fixmbr"
[05:45] <rUiSu> yea
[05:45] <rUiSu> it once happened tome
[05:45] <rUiSu> ok
[05:45] <rUiSu> seya
[05:45] <brandon_> grub does NOT erase ntldr, or touch any windows files at all
[05:45] <rUiSu> ok thx
[05:45] <rUiSu> see ya
[06:01] <CaBlGuY> anyone alive up in here??
[06:01] <brandon_> that's debatable
[06:01] <brandon_> ottawa lost, so...
[06:02] <CaBlGuY> very well, cary on..  ;0)
[06:02] <CaBlGuY> how long u been on Ubuntu?
[06:03] <brandon_> since hoary
[06:04] <brandon_> it was game 1. i don't think you can lose a game 7-6 in OT and come back from that
[06:05] <CaBlGuY> Oh, saawree  about the game..  :(  and cool, I think my 1st distro was Hoary..
[06:05] <CaBlGuY> I remeber havin a lot of issues with playin DVD's..
[06:06] <brandon_> jeez i'm tired of that
[06:06] <brandon_> most of the issues addressed here are about people who can't play such-and-such multimedia files
[06:07] <CaBlGuY> LOL   that's easy...
[06:07] <brandon_> i'd like to make a metapackage or at least an alias that will be incorporated into ubuntu that solves those issues easily
[06:07] <CaBlGuY> jujst gotta get the right prgram installed..  no biggy..  ;-)
[06:07] <brandon_> they're not that easy to install
[06:08] <brandon_> for one thing, they ALL use their won codecs to play the same files, which is so inefficient
[06:08] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmm  u have a valid point..
[06:08] <brandon_> VLC comes as a self-contained program that includes all of its own codecs
[06:09] <brandon_> you have to install the "extra-codecs" package to get xine to work right
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> however..   most of my media files play fine on Totem for the most part..
[06:09] <brandon_> only gstreamer and mplayer share the same codecs
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> I understand however, were not talkin about winblowz that everything is "interchangable"...
[06:10] <InteliWasp> how do i get my vnc server setup?
[06:10] <brandon_> i'd like to get all of the folks who think that this whole "restricted formats" garbage is a good idea and blow off their kneecaps
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> but, I like Ubuntu becaus eout of all the distros I've tried, it was the simplest to get up and running and update as well
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[06:11] <brandon_> well, linspire is the easiest distro to use, but it's not quite free
[06:11] <brandon_> and it's a little too easy
[06:11] <llukax> does anyone know how to make an application start at log in?
[06:11] <brandon_> in kde?
[06:11] <CaBlGuY> yeah..  I like the distro to still be Linux if ya know what I mena, not "winblowesk"..
[06:11] <llukax> yes
[06:12] <raf> hello all, I want to add  grub option that points to a light version of Kubuntu, just for debugin, without network, without xserver, what I want is a fast boot, what can I do?
[06:12] <brandon_> kde has a folder called "Autostart" that you can put links to the executables in
[06:12] <llukax> oh ok
[06:12] <CaBlGuY> InteliWasp, ummmm  I used to know that but, I can't seem to remeber right now.. :-p
[06:12] <brandon_> the path is ~.kde/Autostart
[06:12] <llukax> in my home folder?
[06:12] <llukax> oh ok
[06:12] <llukax> kewl
[06:12] <CaBlGuY> brandon_,  u know that one?
[06:12] <llukax>  thanx
[06:12] <brandon_> do i know what?
[06:13] <InteliWasp> CaBlGuY: know where i could look?
[06:13] <CaBlGuY> what InteliWasp  was askling
[06:13] <llukax> hmm u sure its ~.kde/?
[06:13] <CaBlGuY> InteliWasp,  well, I could always tell ya the wiki page.. :-p
[06:13] <llukax> ah ok found it
[06:13] <llukax> thanx
[06:14] <brandon_> tilde is a shortcut for the home folder. another one is $HOME
[06:14] <CaBlGuY> I remeber messin around with VNC for some of my videos n stuff..
[06:14] <brandon_> what's vnc?
[06:14] <CaBlGuY> video app
[06:15] <InteliWasp> thats vlc...
[06:15] <brandon_> i know of a VLC, or "videolan", but not a vnc
[06:15] <InteliWasp> i need the remote desktop thing...
[06:15] <CaBlGuY> thought there was a vnc aswell..
[06:15] <CaBlGuY> yea see,..
[06:15] <CaBlGuY> :p
[06:15] <CaBlGuY> ] ummmm
[06:15] <raf> VNC is remote administration application
[06:16] <CaBlGuY> ahh there we go..  go for it raf
[06:18] <InteliWasp> great, i managed to crash adept...
[06:19] <CaBlGuY> :-O
[06:19] <CaBlGuY> bad BAD InteliWasp ...  :-p
[06:19] <CaBlGuY> J/K
[06:19] <CaBlGuY> what distro u runnin btw?/
[06:19] <InteliWasp> well i am fidiling with it over ssh...
[06:19] <InteliWasp> kubuntu...
[06:19] <CaBlGuY> no, I mean, Hoary or umm  hedghog?
[06:20] <CaBlGuY> err..  I mean..
[06:20] <CaBlGuY> u  know..
[06:20] <InteliWasp> the latist official
[06:20] <CaBlGuY> K cool
[06:20] <InteliWasp> i dont remember...
[06:20] <InteliWasp> the console keeps saying that the uid is 1000 and not 0
[06:20] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: breezy or dapper?
[06:21] <InteliWasp> breezy
[06:21] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:21] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[06:21] <CaBlGuY> hang on, lemme find out..
[06:21] <Hobbsee> InteliWasp: were you the one who came in and said that last night, or are there two fo you?
[06:21] <koroded> http://pastebin.com/716422    what's 'kept back'?
[06:21] <InteliWasp> and yes i am using sudo...
[06:21] <InteliWasp> Hobbsee: er... no i was not on irc lastnight
[06:21] <Hobbsee> koroded: means that they havent been upgraded.  do a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and they will be
[06:22] <Hobbsee> InteliWasp: ah okay...
[06:22] <koroded> Hobbsee: ahh, I see
[06:22] <CaBlGuY> ok, what was the command again for what version ya got..  it's been a while..  :p
[06:22] <koroded> dist-upgrade is the only way to make them go?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:22] <Hobbsee> they end up installing more packages with them
[06:22] <brandon_> koroded: what other way do you want?
[06:22] <koroded> good point :)
[06:23] <koroded> I had a dist-upgrade blow up on me the other day though :)
[06:23] <Hobbsee> oh?
[06:23] <koroded> of course, I was going to Dapper, so I assume that was it
[06:23] <koroded> I'll try that now
[06:23] <CaBlGuY> command, anyone??  :p
[06:23] <Hobbsee> hehe...
[06:23] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: cat /etc/issue
[06:23] <CaBlGuY> word ...
[06:23] <brandon_> koroded: you were upgrading from breezy to dapper using apt?
[06:23] <koroded> yeah, I know silly
[06:23] <CaBlGuY> breezy is what I got..
[06:23] <brandon_> bad idea
[06:23] <koroded> but I was told it could be done, so I thought what the hell
[06:23] <CaBlGuY> 5.10
[06:23] <koroded> just a testing system anyway
[06:24] <Hobbsee> koroded: how'd it bork?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> seeing as people were wanted to test the dist-upgrade
[06:24] <Hobbsee> s
[06:24] <koroded> Hobbsee: well for starters, there ware pam issues
[06:24] <koroded> so logging in was impossible :)
[06:24] <Hobbsee> heh, great
[06:24] <CaBlGuY> yeaaa!!   :-)
[06:24] <CaBlGuY> but..
[06:24] <brandon_> in this particluar case, going from X11R6 to X11R7 would make it even harder to pull off
[06:24] <egon_spengler> brandon_: I started on warty prerelease, and have been apt-get dist-upgrading ever since
[06:25] <brandon_> good for you egon
[06:25] <InteliWasp> CaBlGuY: here is my errors...  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/716432
[06:25] <InteliWasp> CaBlGuY: 5.10 here too
[06:25] <CaBlGuY> cool..
[06:26] <CaBlGuY> and you've done all the apt- gets right??
[06:26] <CaBlGuY> updates?
[06:26] <CaBlGuY> Oh no!!!   Go Hobbsee ...  go..  :p
[06:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:27] <koroded> thanks
[06:27] <InteliWasp> CaBlGuY: if you are talking to me, could you use my name so i can filter out the other conversations...
[06:27] <CaBlGuY> so Hobbsee  ya gonna teach me everything I need to know about Ubuntu, right..  so I never have to gfo back to Winblowz??  ;o)
[06:28] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: hehe...maybe...i dont know everything though :P
[06:28] <brandon_> InteliWasp: what are you trying to get adept to do?
[06:28] <CaBlGuY> InteliWasp,  sorry..  yea, I was hollerin yur way.. :)
[06:28] <InteliWasp> brandon_:basicly installing a hole lotta crap :P
[06:28] <CaBlGuY> brandon_,  here is his pastebin...   http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/716432
[06:29] <llukax> where do i put window decoration themes?
[06:29] <InteliWasp> brandon_: i was selecting webmin stuff when it crashed
[06:29] <brandon_> i see it, but all he tyoed was "sudo adept"
[06:29] <Hobbsee> !+kdesu
[06:29] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[06:29] <brandon_> well, i would try running apt commands directly instead of using a GUI frontend
[06:29] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmm
[06:30] <llukax> in kde
[06:30] <InteliWasp> Hobbsee: i'm using ssh...
[06:30] <Hobbsee> llukax: that's controlled in kcontrol/system settings
[06:30] <Hobbsee> InteliWasp: ah okay.  adept is a GUI app though...
[06:30] <Hobbsee> !tell InteliWasp about apt-get
[06:30] <CaBlGuY> yea, gui or not all that in ubuntu ...  IE: command is easier to work with..
[06:31] <llukax> yes but i downloaded one
[06:31] <llukax> on kde-look.org
[06:31] <CaBlGuY> hehe  Hobbsee  quit rreadin my mind dang it..
[06:31] <llukax> dont knwo where to put it
[06:31] <llukax> :/
[06:31] <CaBlGuY> :p
[06:31] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: hehe...
[06:31] <Hobbsee> i'd prefer *not* to read your mind :P
[06:31] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee,  yeah yeah..  that's what all the girls say..  ;o)
[06:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:32] <Hobbsee> oddly enough :P
[06:32] <CaBlGuY> but..  like I was sayin b4, yur gonna teach me right??
[06:32] <Hobbsee> we'll see :)
[06:32] <brandon_> existence
[06:32] <Hobbsee> i can probably point you in the right direction, with the stuff you know...
[06:32] <Hobbsee> yes, they exist :(
[06:33] <CaBlGuY> K, I used to know some stuff but it's been months since I did anything in Linux..
[06:33] <Hobbsee> and i really should be going and doing them, not doing fun stuff like hacking cdbs...
[06:33] <brandon_> what do you want to know?
[06:33] <CaBlGuY> ummmm   lemme think.....
[06:33] <CaBlGuY> Oh, I know..   everything..
[06:33] <Hobbsee> 42.
[06:33] <CaBlGuY> :)
[06:33] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:33] <Hobbsee> if you want, you can figure out why my sound occasoinally goes flat...
[06:34] <brandon_> flat?
[06:34] <CaBlGuY> well heck that's easy..
[06:34] <CaBlGuY> get the right drivers silly
[06:34] <CaBlGuY> ;o)
[06:34] <brandon_> your ears are broken. next case
[06:34] <CaBlGuY> apt get whatever sound card drivers
[06:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:34] <CaBlGuY> next..  ;o)
[06:34] <Hobbsee> it worked last install!
[06:35] <InteliWasp> ... when i am using apt-get... are dependencies resolved?
[06:35] <Hobbsee> i've never had flat sound before - only ever perfect sound, or no sound :P
[06:35] <Hobbsee> InteliWasp: yep
[06:35] <CaBlGuY> well, I "would" say re-install but.  I know form experience that that's not always the answer
[06:35] <Hobbsee> hehe...tried that
[06:35] <Hobbsee> yay, it's going flat now
[06:35] <CaBlGuY> Oh well..
[06:35] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[06:35] <brandon_> what is the definition of flat in this context?
[06:36] <CaBlGuY> Ummmm  lemme guesss..
[06:36] <CaBlGuY> no bass, or less sound coming from the speakers..
[06:36] <CaBlGuY> yes?
[06:37] <CaBlGuY> OR NO...
[06:37] <CaBlGuY> :0/
[06:39] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmmm
[06:39] <CaBlGuY> well InteliWasp  maybe if u explain to me what it is yur tryin to do, some of this will come back to me..
[06:39] <Hobbsee> brandon_: opposite of sharp.  pity
[06:40] <Hobbsee> *pitch
[06:40] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee,  u sure it's not yur ears goin bad..  :op
[06:40] <brandon_> does this issue occur in all of your apps, or only one?
[06:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:40] <Hobbsee> quite :P
[06:40] <Hobbsee> brandon_: all of them
[06:40] <Hobbsee> it's either kernel based, or ndiswrapper based
[06:40] <brandon_> you're sure about that?
[06:40] <CaBlGuY> ok, just checkin.. :p
[06:40] <Hobbsee> beyond that, i dont know
[06:40] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:41] <brandon_> do you know what sound card you have?
[06:41] <llukax> nvm its an icewm theme haha
[06:42] <CaBlGuY> HOwdy freeflying , eneas   :)
[06:42] <freeflying> CaBlGuY: hiya
[06:42] <eneas> hi
[06:43] <CaBlGuY> needing some help tonight, or just chillin out?
[06:43] <brandon_> CaBlGuY: let's you and me go out to the clubs and hunt down some chicks
[06:44] <Hobbsee> brandon_: yeah, intel integrated one.  crims*un couldnt figure it out
[06:44] <CaBlGuY> brandon_,  ok, u byin the first round right??  ;o)
[06:44] <brandon_> no
[06:44] <CaBlGuY> :-O
[06:45] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee,  that's yur problem right there dear..   get a real soundcard silly..
[06:45] <CaBlGuY> :)
[06:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:45] <InteliWasp> ... am i suposed to get more than 2 lines of feback with apt-get?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> InteliWasp: what were the 2 lines of feedback?
[06:45] <CaBlGuY> yes InteliWasp
[06:45] <InteliWasp> $ sudo apt-get install nmap
[06:45] <InteliWasp> Reading package lists... Done
[06:45] <InteliWasp> Segmentation faulty tree... 0%
[06:46] <CaBlGuY> err yea unless it said somethin it's not
[06:46] <CaBlGuY> faulty tree..
[06:46] <CaBlGuY> he need sot set the right server
[06:46] <CaBlGuY> *needs
[06:46] <brandon_> bad repo list
[06:46] <CaBlGuY> yea
[06:46] <InteliWasp> oy.... *mutters*
[06:46] <brandon_> tell him to use that easy ubuntu thing
[06:46] <CaBlGuY> so, what was that for the right one...   ummmm
[06:47] <CaBlGuY> could do that
[06:47] <InteliWasp> "easy ubuntu thing"???
[06:47] <CaBlGuY> InteliWasp,  u know how to use the easy package downloader?
[06:47] <InteliWasp> er...  <= is a *nix newb
[06:47] <CaBlGuY> ok..
[06:47] <CaBlGuY> it goes as such..
[06:48] <CaBlGuY> system/admin/synaptic
[06:48] <CaBlGuY> open that
[06:48] <InteliWasp> ... ssh   ....
[06:48] <InteliWasp> yes i must throw the wrench in...
[06:49] <CaBlGuY> ok, just open that app..  it's easy.. trust me. ;)
[06:49] <InteliWasp> unless there is a way to start the kde window on my desktop...
[06:49] <CaBlGuY> Oh..
[06:49] <CaBlGuY> yur not in gui mode
[06:49] <CaBlGuY> ummmm
[06:49] <CaBlGuY> there is lemme think..
[06:49] <InteliWasp> yes the box is in the basement with no monitor
[06:49] <brandon_> Hobbsee does your problem happen in movies as well as music?
[06:49] <CaBlGuY> do u have K installed or Gnome?/
[06:49] <InteliWasp> kde
[06:49] <ca38aspea1> i have a problem my sound stopped working and gives me an error message saying that the sound card is busy or being blocked i can think of any other program that would be using my sound card can anyone help me
[06:50] <Hobbsee> brandon_: good point.  it still happens with any kde application, aplay, etc
[06:50] <Hobbsee> ca38aspea1: you using OSS, by any chance?  check in system settings
[06:50] <brandon_> Hobbsee, do you have gnome installed?
[06:50] <CaBlGuY> ok..  ummm  InteliWasp  what happenes when u reboot, can u get the K to load?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> brandon_: no.  gnome is evil :P
[06:50] <InteliWasp> CaBlGuY: but it is loged out and since it is close to 1 AM... i am sooo not going to drag a monitor out for it
[06:50] <brandon_> Hobbsee: are you using the kde sound system?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> ah, using alsa
[06:51] <Hobbsee> it all should work, but ti doesnt.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:51] <brandon_> Hobbsee then arts is shut off?
[06:51] <InteliWasp> CaBlGuY: i could remote restar...
[06:51] <Hobbsee> how should i...
[06:51] <InteliWasp> I am using Slapper Script Version 1.5 You can get it at http://www.adamj.org
[06:51] <CaBlGuY> do this..  cnt. Alt, backspace..  that's a quick restart..
[06:51] <Hobbsee> brandon_: now there's a very good question...
[06:52] <ca38aspea1> i dont see where it would say OSS in the settings but i think in installation i selected alsd or something like that
[06:52] <CaBlGuY> InteliWasp,  cnt = ctrl
[06:52] <Hobbsee> well, i'ts behaving now anyway...weird
[06:52] <brandon_> Hobbsee: go to system settings and sounds & multimedia
[06:52] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee,  yea yea.. sure it is..  :o/
[06:52] <Hobbsee> brandon_: how do you kill arts from there?
[06:52] <brandon_> if the kde sound system is running, then shut it off
[06:52] <Hobbsee> i killed it via command line..
[06:52] <InteliWasp> CaBlGuY: must i keep reminding you that the box is in the basement, and i am up on the second floor on a wincrap box...
[06:53] <ca38aspea1> right
[06:53] <CaBlGuY> InteliWasp,  my bad..  I wasn't o the same page as u..
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ca38aspea1: go to system settings and sounds & multimedia, select alsa
[06:53] <InteliWasp> CaBlGuY: it's 1 am... go figure
[06:53] <CaBlGuY> InteliWasp,  so yur runnning on a live version then?
[06:53] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[06:54] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[06:54] <ca38aspea1> ok i selected alsa
[06:54] <Hobbsee> ca38aspea1: hit apply, then try again
[06:54] <CaBlGuY> now now..   Hobbsee  help this poor soul would ya??
[06:54] <CaBlGuY> :)
[06:54] <InteliWasp> CaBlGuY: no i'm logged in with ssh
[06:54] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: help whom?
[06:54] <CaBlGuY> InteliWasp,  that's whom
[06:54] <Hobbsee> brandon_: thanks for that about alsa...
[06:55] <CaBlGuY> Sorry InteliWasp  I wasn't followin ya there..  and like I said, it's been months since I been runnin Linux soo...
[06:55] <CaBlGuY> I'm a bit rusty
[06:55] <InteliWasp> i think i might just quit for the night and drag a monitor and kb to the box in the mornin'
[06:56] <Hobbsee> InteliWasp: is this about the 2 lines from apt-get?
[06:56] <Hobbsee> that shouldnt be segfaulting...
[06:56] <InteliWasp> yep
[06:56] <CaBlGuY> he was needing to update his ummm  dsitro servers..
[06:56] <Hobbsee> InteliWasp: try sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade, then try again, and see if the problem still occurs...
[06:56] <Hobbsee> !repos
[06:56] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:56] <CaBlGuY> if I'm understanding this right.  which I may not be..
[06:56] <CaBlGuY> :-/
[06:56] <Hobbsee> even with bodgy repos, apt-get shouldnt segfault
[06:56] <ca38aspea1> still no luck
[06:57] <Hobbsee> ca38aspea1: okay, in a terminal "killall artsd"
[06:57] <InteliWasp> Hobbsee: yes i did those under adept
[06:57] <ca38aspea1> do i need sudo
[06:57] <Hobbsee> InteliWasp: try it in the console though
[06:57] <InteliWasp> CaBlGuY: long story
[06:57] <Hobbsee> ca38aspea1: ah...possibly...
[06:57] <Hobbsee> try without, if not, yes
[06:57] <CaBlGuY> InteliWasp,  I know man..  I know.   :p
[06:58] <brandon_> what's he trying to do?
[06:59] <CaBlGuY> brandon_,  which one?
[06:59] <brandon_> cawhatever
[06:59] <CaBlGuY> NO tsure, he was Hobbsee's...
[06:59] <brandon_> i can't type these complex names out
[06:59] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[06:59] <CaBlGuY> that's whay ya put the first two letters and hit tab...
[06:59] <ca38aspea1> Sound server informational message:
[06:59] <ca38aspea1> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[06:59] <ca38aspea1> device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy)
[06:59] <ca38aspea1> The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[07:00] <CaBlGuY> yikes!!!
[07:00] <Hobbsee> ca38aspea1: what program is this using?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> amarok?
[07:00] <CaBlGuY> ca38aspea1,  use pastebin bud..
[07:00] <InteliWasp> Hobbsee: no joy with the  sudo aptitude update line   says command not found
[07:00] <CaBlGuY> !tell ca38aspea1  pastebin
[07:00] <brandon_> ca38aspea1: r u trying to use skype?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> InteliWasp: ack, what about when it's just "sudo aptitude update"?
[07:01] <InteliWasp> Hobbsee: same
[07:01] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[07:01] <Hobbsee> that *doesnt* sound good
[07:01] <CaBlGuY> Oh boy.. here we goo...
[07:01] <CaBlGuY> :)
[07:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:02] <brandon_> InteliWasp: what happens with sudo apt-get update?
[07:03] <InteliWasp> loto teaxt
[07:03] <brandon_> what?
[07:03] <InteliWasp> finnished
[07:04] <CaBlGuY> works for me..
[07:04] <CaBlGuY> :)
[07:04] <InteliWasp> got the listings from the universes
[07:04] <InteliWasp> so basicly it worked
[07:04] <Hobbsee> brandon_: that's the packages kept back list
[07:04] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:04] <CaBlGuY> InteliWasp,  sounds like it..
[07:04] <InteliWasp> ya like the fetch updates
[07:04] <CaBlGuY> InteliWasp,  said reading blah blah, right, then done?
[07:04] <InteliWasp> in adept
[07:05] <InteliWasp> yep
[07:05] <CaBlGuY> yep, u did it
[07:05] <InteliWasp> ....yay...
[07:05] <CaBlGuY> :)
[07:05] <InteliWasp> next?
[07:05] <CaBlGuY> now u can sleep well..  :)
[07:05] <InteliWasp> ???
[07:05] <CaBlGuY> ummm
[07:06] <CaBlGuY> Oh boy..
[07:06] <brandon_> next is, i want to know what uma thurman's measurements are
[07:06] <InteliWasp> :P
[07:06] <InteliWasp> google it
[07:06] <CaBlGuY> hehe screw that, I wanna see her up close and personal like..
[07:06] <CaBlGuY> :)
[07:06] <CaBlGuY> then I can measure her myself..
[07:07] <CaBlGuY> howdy Goat-san   o/
[07:07] <Goat-san> heyt
[07:07] <Goat-san> hey*
[07:07] <CaBlGuY> well heyt 2 u 2 pall..
[07:07] <CaBlGuY> :p
[07:07] <Goat-san> its been so long since i've regularly been on irc, its nice to have atleast one person talking
[07:08] <CaBlGuY> oh hell..  any time u come in here yur gonna get some oone talkin to ya..
[07:09] <Goat-san> good to know
[07:10] <CaBlGuY> and there she be back...
[07:10] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:10] <Goat-san> hello Hobbsee
[07:10] <CaBlGuY> now, u got a diff version with the new kernal or a diff machine all together?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> hi Goat-san
[07:11] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.15-22-686 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: MobileIntel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4791 bogomips), , RAM: 523/993MB, 107 proc's, 4.42min up
[07:11] <Hobbsee> i only have one machine
[07:11] <CaBlGuY> ok..
[07:12] <Hobbsee> hobbsee:  test
[07:12] <Hobbsee> oh darn, it doesnt work when i do it...
[07:12] <Goat-san> heh
[07:12] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmm
[07:12] <Hobbsee> someone want to say something to me?
[07:12] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hobbsee
[07:12] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee,  something
[07:12] <CaBlGuY> :p
[07:12] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[07:13] <CaBlGuY> U eat plastic???  :oO
[07:13] <I_Eat_Plastic> Ignore the name.
[07:13] <InteliWasp> well i need some sleep... night all!
[07:13] <Goat-san> pshh
[07:13] <Kyral> Hobbsee!
[07:13] <Goat-san> who needs sleep
[07:13] <CaBlGuY> night InteliWasp  and don't worry, everything will b fine..  ;o)
[07:13] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hobbsee: You're running Kubuntu, right?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> Kyral: boo!
[07:13] <I_Eat_Plastic> Well, obviously.. lol
[07:13] <CaBlGuY> Goat-san,  he does, trust me..
[07:13] <Hobbsee> I_Eat_Plastic: yes.
[07:13] <CaBlGuY> :)
[07:13] <InteliWasp> i have been up since 5 this morn...
[07:14] <Kyral> OW!
[07:14] <Goat-san> so whats another day?
[07:14] <Hobbsee> hmm...that didnt fix it
[07:14] <Kyral> you asked for it
[07:14] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hobbsee: You're just having problems with name highlighting in IRC?
[07:14] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee,  man shut up
[07:14] <CaBlGuY> :p
[07:14] <InteliWasp> and doing a 3 person job by my self for 8 hours, ya i kinda need some rest...
[07:14] <CaBlGuY> didn't work that time
[07:14] <Hobbsee> I_Eat_Plastic: no, testing the sound...
[07:15] <CaBlGuY> I_Eat_Plastic,  Oh really??
[07:15] <Kyral> OWW!!
[07:15] <Kyral> OWW!!
[07:15] <Kyral> Damnit what did I do
[07:15] <InteliWasp> poor kyral...
[07:15] <CaBlGuY> HOwdy mendred .. o/
[07:15] <Hobbsee> jumped on me?  :P
[07:15] <CaBlGuY> InteliWasp,  it's a bot....  nop biggy..
[07:15] <CaBlGuY> ;o)
[07:15] <Kyral> you scared me with the boo!
[07:15] <CaBlGuY> bot
[07:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:16] <CaBlGuY> Kyral,  bot
[07:16] <CaBlGuY> hmmmm
[07:16] <I_Eat_Plastic> Does anyone have any problems with Cedega in kubuntu before I invest in it?
[07:16] <CaBlGuY> lmao
[07:16] <mendred> hey CaBIGuy
[07:16] <Hobbsee> I_Eat_Plastic: dont know about with kubuntu in particular, but it's probably a good idea to try before you buy it..
[07:16] <Kyral> so howsit going Hobbsee
[07:16] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[07:17] <Kyral> you got upload rights to Main yet?
[07:17] <CaBlGuY> Oh boy.. these bots aint gonna be talkin all night are they???
[07:17] <CaBlGuY> :o|
[07:17] <Hobbsee> Kyral: i hacked some of cdbs last night, am being told to go for MOTU, and am playing with my sound
[07:17] <Kyral> ....
[07:17] <Hobbsee> hehe...nope
[07:17] <Goat-san> i came in here because i plan on making the switch away from windows, and obviously go to kubuntu.  I had also planned on getting a second video card to output to my hdtv, and i was wondering how hard ti would be to set that up
[07:17] <Hobbsee> Kyral: but i have friends in high places :D
[07:17] <Kyral> you calling me a bot CaBlGuY?
[07:17] <CaBlGuY> lmao
[07:17] <Kyral> If you are, Linus help you
[07:17] <CaBlGuY> what if I am.  what u gonna do about it....
[07:17] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hobbsee: I've used it in slackware before, it had some dependency problems. I'm hoping there are no major problems with a debian based system, or..?
[07:17] <CaBlGuY> huh huh huh?????
[07:18] <Hobbsee> I_Eat_Plastic: well, with it not being in the repos, i couldnt tell you..
[07:18] <CaBlGuY> LMAO
[07:18] <Hobbsee> Kyral: is not a bot, i have this on good authority
[07:18] <virnik> is somebody online? i need help with Labtec WebCam.
[07:18] <Kyral> I'm a Maintainer damnit :P
[07:18] <CaBlGuY> very well..  ;)
[07:18] <virnik> driver compiled and loaded, log ok. but when i try to take some pictures, my screen blinks until it freezes my PC
[07:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:18] <Kyral> Hobbsee: I've been inactive
[07:18] <virnik> xavtv says something about v4l-conf and its problems, but logs r clean and pc freezes everytime
[07:19] <Kyral> but I plan to pull some HURD Magic with bddebian :D
[07:19] <virnik> spca50x driver
[07:19] <Hobbsee> Kyral: shameful.
[07:19] <Kyral> Yesh! I shall become one of the few, the wierd, the HURD FREAKS!!
[07:19] <Kyral> shameful?! How?
[07:19] <CaBlGuY> Goat-san,  with the new distro, shouldn't be that big of a deal..
[07:19] <Hobbsee> Kyral: over being inactive, you goose :P
[07:19] <CaBlGuY> just make sure u get all the updates and u should be fine
[07:19] <Kyral> oh
[07:19] <Kyral> I plan to make an Ubuntu-HURD :P
[07:19] <Hobbsee> hhee
[07:20] <Goat-san> thanks CaBlGuY
[07:20] <CaBlGuY> Goat-san,  NP..  ;)
[07:20] <CaBlGuY> btw,,  Kyral  is a BOT!!!
[07:20] <CaBlGuY> :op
[07:20] <Kyral> .....
[07:20] <Kyral> # cat CaBlGuY >> /dev/null
[07:21] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[07:21] <ahmeni> aha!  There's his bot-like syntax! I knew it!
[07:21] <Hobbsee> Kyral: i thought that was sudo rm -rf Kyral
[07:21] <Hobbsee> er, CaBlGuY
[07:21] <Kyral> Hobbsee: not the # signifying a root shell :P
[07:21] <CaBlGuY> er, Hobbsee
[07:21] <Hobbsee> hehe...true
[07:21] <Kyral> # /usr/sbin/userdel -r CaBlGuY
[07:22] <CaBlGuY> beh.. now Im gettin tired..   :-O
[07:23] <brandon_> virnik: what tv card are you using?
[07:27] <CaBlGuY> ok, im goin to bed peeps..  night all...
[07:27] <Hobbsee> nigth CaBlGuY
[07:27] <CaBlGuY> see ya Hobbsee
[07:27] <Goat-san> night CaBlGuY
[07:29] <Goat-san> i think i'll leave too, have about 4.5 hours of stuff to watch
[07:40] <cnance> hello
[07:41] <Cheerwine> hello
[07:42] <Cheerwine> Would anybody be willing on helping to to install gatos on my computer?
[07:56] <virnik> brandon_: i got no tv card
[07:56] <virnik> brandon_: its webcam
[07:57] <Zaire> cool I was actually able to get on IRC without kubuntu crashing this time lol
[07:57] <virnik> Zaire: lol
[07:58] <Zaire> it really doesn't like my vid card but so far so good
[07:59] <virnik> what vga  u got?
[08:00] <Zaire> Nvidia FX 5200
[08:00] <Zaire> a crappy card lol
[08:02] <GullyFoyle> i tried the dapper live iso for amd64 but it hung on me, damn
[08:02] <Zaire> lemme guess Nvidia vid card
[08:04] <GullyFoyle> no, it hung on mounting root
[08:11] <Zaire> hmmm mine just freezes cause my vid card is a piece of crap lol
[08:12] <Zaire> I want to upgrade this one to an X800 Xl but unfortunately gotta wait
[08:12] <virnik> lol
[08:12] <Zaire> thats the problem though when your unemployed I guess :S
[08:13] <virnik> hehe
[08:13] <virnik> the same situation here
[08:14] <Zaire> I got the stuff for this computer cheap paid 140 for my sempron64 3100+ and 74 for my foxconn mobo 50 for the ram HD was a gift and case was free and is now modded
[08:16] <Zaire> and as for errors with linux I have a saying "in windows to know and error is to know it is windows....in linux it is to be clueless" lol
[08:31] <virnik> try to write it again and right, this way its clueless
[08:32] <syke> hi!
[08:33] <syke> how do I find out what changes there are between flight 6 and the current daily iso?
[08:34] <syke> er
[08:34] <syke> flight 7, that is
[08:36] <Hobbsee> syke: er...dapper changes list?
[08:36] <Hobbsee> no, wait, there's a more generic one than that...
[08:36] <Hobbsee> !flight6
[08:36] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hobbsee
[08:36] <Hobbsee> !flight5
[08:36] <ubotu> Hobbsee: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:36] <roland> hi there
[08:36] <Hobbsee> hmm...
[08:36] <roland> i have just installed kubuntu 6.06
[08:37] <roland> when i try to start adept
[08:37] <roland> comes this:
[08:37] <syke> Hobbsee: I just want to know the diff between flight 7 and current/daily
[08:37] <roland> adept: ERROR: Communication problem with adept, it probably crashed.
[08:37] <syke> is there a patches mailing list I can peruse the archives of?
[08:37] <Hobbsee> syke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight7
[08:38] <Hobbsee> to answer the question, a few packages
[08:38] <Hobbsee> syke: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-May/thread.html
[08:38] <roland> any ideas
[08:38] <roland> ?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> roland: did you use "sudo adept"?
[08:38] <syke> Hobbsee: aresome, thanks!
[08:38] <roland> of course
[08:39] <Hobbsee> !+kdesu
[08:39] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[08:39] <Hobbsee> roland: ^
[08:39] <roland> the same
[08:40] <roland> here 2 more lines
[08:40] <roland> Failed to open device
[08:40] <roland> kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()
[08:41] <Zaire> if you want a changes list there should be one on the install CD
[08:41] <roland> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[08:41] <roland>   Major opcode:  144
[08:41] <roland>   Minor opcode:  3
[08:41] <roland>   Resource id:  0x0
[08:41] <Hobbsee> hmm...seems working
[08:41] <virnik> shit
[08:42] <Hobbsee> virnik: ?
[08:42] <Zaire> lol
[08:42] <Zaire> issues?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> roland: than again?  great
[08:42] <virnik> that fucked webcam driver is loaded ok, but when i try to get some images, it freezes my computer
[08:42] <Hobbsee> virnik: language
[08:42] <Hobbsee> !language
[08:42] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[08:42] <Zaire> welcome to reg usage for me virnivk lol
[08:42] <virnik> Hobbsee: sorry
[08:42] <Zaire> virnick*
[08:43] <virnik> just tired with it. i am doing this for three hours now, and its the same
[08:43] <virnik> but i wanna it running
[08:43] <Zaire> Im afraid to update after the last time lol
[08:43] <roland> but anybody have to .....
[08:43] <Hobbsee> Zaire: what was last time?
[08:43] <virnik> so, compiled newest driver, loaded to kernel as a module, everythink is ok
[08:43] <virnik> kernel just recognized my webcam
[08:43] <Zaire> crash city like win95 allover lol
[08:44] <virnik> and then, when i try to access video0 device, pc freezes
[08:44] <Hobbsee> Zaire: great.  is this dapper or breezy, and have you tried a new profile?
[08:44] <Zaire> Ive used both neither like my vid card lol
[08:45] <Zaire> Im on dapper right now
[08:45] <Hobbsee> ah okay.  and the answer to the latter question?
[08:46] <Zaire> new profile won't do anything its a hardware issue I know this cause I visited the kubuntu/ubuntu bugzilla page and search for Nvidia+crash and got atleast 26 pages of results lol
[08:46] <Hobbsee> ah okay...
[08:47] <Zaire> it prefers ATI it would seem
[08:47] <Zaire> well atleast from all that Ive seen cause a friend of mine runs it stable and has an X800
[08:48] <Zaire> I haven't actually had an ATI since my 32meg in my intel P2 lol
[08:48] <roland> nobody out ther who can help me ?
[08:49] <Zaire> well I would if I could but Im still learning more everyday lol
[08:49] <roland> if i want to strat adept
[08:49] <roland> with sudo or kdesu
[08:50] <roland> this lines follows:
[08:50] <roland> roland@TUXROLLO:~$ sudo adept
[08:50] <roland> Password:
[08:50] <roland> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[08:50] <roland>   Major opcode:  144
[08:50] <roland>   Minor opcode:  3
[08:50] <roland>   Resource id:  0x0
[08:50] <roland> Failed to open device
[08:50] <roland> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[08:50] <roland>   Major opcode:  144
[08:51] <Zaire> dunno but if your in a GUI you shouldn't have to sudo or nuthin I know I don't
[08:51] <roland>   Minor opcode:  3
[08:51] <roland>   Resource id:  0x0
[08:51] <roland> Failed to open device
[08:51] <roland> kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()
[08:51] <roland> adept: ERROR: Communication problem with adept, it probably crashed.
[08:51] <roland> with kdesu the same thing happend
[08:52] <Zaire> I just tried that from cli and got the errors but it still opened adept
[08:52] <roland> Im going mad
[08:53] <Zaire> are you doing this from a console in kde?
[08:53] <roland> yes
[08:53] <Zaire> just go to the k menu and system first selection is adept
[08:54] <roland> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[08:54] <chell> Good morning everybody!
[08:54] <roland> if i try apt-setup:
[08:54] <roland> roland@TUXROLLO:~$ sudo apt-setup
[08:54] <roland> sudo: apt-setup: command not found
[08:55] <Zaire> if it says that then its not a valid command
[08:55] <chell> This is the channel for breezy, not dapper, isn't it?
[08:55] <roland> of course
[08:55] <Zaire> both I thought?
[08:56] <Zaire> whats with hobbsee lol
[08:56] <chell> I am so excited, currently upgrading to KDE 3.5.2
[08:56] <Zaire> not really sure what dapper is running lol
[08:56] <chell> anything really new in it?
[08:56] <chell> I mean in KDE 3.5.2 not dapper...
[08:57] <roland> maybe Ill better go back to windows 8-((((
[08:57] <Zaire> dunno really Ive just been trying to get linux running stable
[08:57] <chell> What's your problem roland?
[08:57] <Zaire> don't givup to quick roland Ive been struggling for 5 years lol
[08:58] <roland> 7 years
[08:58] <Zaire> ok lol
[08:58] <roland> 8-))
[08:58] <chell> Roland, if you told me your problem I might be able to help you
[08:58] <roland> i have played with Free-BSD the last 2 weeks
[08:58] <roland> i love the Ports
[08:59] <chell> FreeBSD? I never really had the chance to ge my hands on that...
[08:59] <roland> but there are massive problems with real Multi-Media Tools like ardour
[08:59] <chell> mmm
[08:59] <roland> so i want tio try gentoo
[09:00] <chell> For gentoo you need one thing: time
[09:00] <chell> compiling the system takes hours
[09:00] <Zaire> Ive used redhat 9, Suse 10.1, madrake 9.2, mandriva 10.2, fedora core 1,3,5, madrake 10.1, debian kubuntu breezy, ubuntu breezy64, kubuntu dapper lol
[09:00] <roland> and this is my biggest problem
[09:00] <roland> i like slackware also
[09:00] <chell> Well, I'm gonna reboot now - kde update - cu all later (if I haven't gone on holiday by then ;-))
[09:00] <Zaire> lol
[09:00] <roland> so i installed zenwalk
[09:01] <roland> but there comes no sound
[09:01] <roland> and now this
[09:01] <Zaire> debian is pretty much the same issue with sound
[09:01] <Zaire> I like debian but skype is a major no go
[09:01] <roland> i think i have insatlled the most comon distri
[09:01] <roland> and then
[09:01] <roland> ?
[09:02] <roland> Im not able to install or deinstall things
[09:04] <roland> maybe i try yopper
[09:04] <Zaire> dunno Ive thought of slackware but a friend of mine said he couldn't even get it to install
[09:06] <chell> re
[09:06] <chell> KDE 3.5.2 runs smooooth
[09:15] <Zaire> cool not even sure how you could check for the version on dapper but my guess is its 3.5.2
[09:16] <Zaire> kernel version is 2.6.15-22-i386 for mine
[09:16] <Hobbsee> Zaire: konversation --version
[09:17] <Zaire> ?
[09:18] <Hobbsee> Zaire: for how to check the version
[09:18] <Hobbsee> *continues reading computer lecture*
[09:19] <Zaire> yea I input into cli --version and it said command not found
[09:20] <Zaire> well anywho Im gonna try and install my vid card drivers might be back soon lol
[09:25] <Zaire> well couldn't install the drivers
[09:27] <Zaire> Using: nvidia-installer ncurses user interface
[09:27] <Zaire> -> You appear to be running in runlevel 1; this may cause problems.  For exampl
[09:27] <Zaire>    e: some distributions that use devfs do not run the devfs daemon in runlevel
[09:27] <Zaire>    1, making it difficult for `nvidia-installer` to correctly setup the kernel
[09:27] <Zaire>    module configuration files.  It is recommended that you quit installation no
[09:27] <Zaire>    w and switch to runlevel 3 (`telinit 3`) before installing.
[09:27] <Zaire> 
[09:27] <iNiku> uh
[09:28] <Zaire> whoops lol
[09:28] <iNiku> !pastebin
[09:28] <ubotu> pastebin is probably http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[09:28] <Zaire> sorry
[09:28] <iNiku> Zaire: why are you in runlevel 1?
[09:28] <Zaire> supposed to arent you?
[09:29] <iNiku> umm, how's that?
[09:29] <Zaire> atleast thats the runlevel Ive always installed my driver in lol
[09:29] <iNiku> I never changed runlevels for installing anything
[09:29] <kakalto> what is the default /dev sound device?
[09:29] <Zaire> have to for .run files
[09:30] <iNiku> Zaire: huh?
[09:30] <Zaire> the driver file for my vid card is a .run file
[09:30] <iNiku> Zaire: you most certainly don't have to change runlevels for that
[09:30] <iNiku> Zaire: just "sh NVIDIA-blahblah.run"
[09:31] <Zaire> you can't be in xserv for it according to the driver when you try to launch it in a console
[09:31] <iNiku> Zaire: yes, you probably need to shut down X first
[09:31] <iNiku> can't remember, I haven't installed the nvidia drivers in a while
[09:32] <iNiku> but it would make sense
[09:32] <kakalto> I just did a server install, as I didn't want an interface.
[09:32] <kakalto> now I'm trying to set stuff up
[09:32] <kakalto> I have no /dev/dsp sound device; my sound card is ISA
[09:33] <iNiku> you can shut down X by logging in on a console and running sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop (assuming you run the K display manager)
[09:33] <kakalto> anyone got ideas where to begin?
[09:33] <kakalto> (this is under hoary)
[09:33] <kakalto> should I just start the breezy dist-upgrade
[09:33] <kakalto> then sort it out after?
[09:34] <iNiku> kakalto: you probably don't have a sound driver installed. sorry, no idea about hoary here.
[09:37] <khaije1> /pign
[09:40] <virnik> hah, got it
[09:40] <virnik> it was by gcc version
[09:40] <virnik> kernel compiled with 3.4, and system native is gcc 4
[09:40] <virnik> so i must switch over to compile spca modules
[09:42] <raf> hello all
[09:42] <raf> I installed phpmyadmin with apt-get install phpmyadmin
[09:42] <raf> it install apache2 and php4 too
[09:43] <raf> there was an error with apache2 instalation
[09:43] <raf> because of port 80 was busy
[09:43] <raf> now I can star apache2
[09:43] <raf> now I can't start apache2
[09:44] <raf> what can I do?
[09:44] <DeadS0ul> invoke-rc.d apache restart
[09:44] <DeadS0ul> or invoke-rc.d httpd restart
[09:44] <raf> I did try to uninstall phpmyadmin but apt-get remove cannot do that
[09:45] <DeadS0ul> that's a lousy way of doing things man
[09:45] <raf> DeadS0ul: ok, I'm going to try that
[09:45] <raf> DeadS0ul: sorry, I don't understand "lousy"
[09:46] <DeadS0ul> bad..
[09:47] <raf> oh
[09:49] <raf> DeadS0ul: tp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13980
[09:49] <raf> DeadS0ul: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13980
[09:52] <cracko> i have xscreensaver installed but the screensavers that use the deskop as an image do not work right
[10:03] <DeadS0ul> =|
[10:04] <raf> could somebody help me? how can I force to remove a package?
[10:04] <DeadS0ul> what package?
[10:04] <DeadS0ul> you still trying to get apache to work?
[10:04] <raf> yes, I'm trying to run apache2, but nothing work
[10:05] <raf> I need to remove apache2, phpmyadmin and php4, then reinstall phpmyadmin
[10:05] <DeadS0ul> naw
[10:05] <DeadS0ul> do this
[10:06] <DeadS0ul> cd /etc/init.d
[10:06] <DeadS0ul> there you'll see a script called either apache or httpd
[10:06] <cracko> cd /init.d?
[10:06] <DeadS0ul> nope /etc/init.d
[10:06] <cracko> k
[10:06] <raf> as a matter of fact there's apache and apache2 in init.d
[10:06] <cracko> nope not for me
[10:06] <DeadS0ul> then type in the comamnd invoke-rc.d apache2 restart
[10:07] <raf> yes for me, because I installed apache first
[10:07] <raf> that apache is working fine
[10:07] <cracko> me  too
[10:07] <raf> but when I tried to install phpmyadmin, apache2 and php4 were installed too
[10:07] <DeadS0ul> you installed php4 already/
[10:08] <raf> but apache2 failed to install because of port 80 was busy by apache
[10:08] <DeadS0ul> it didn't fail to install
[10:08] <DeadS0ul> it failed to start
[10:08] <raf> yes
[10:08] <DeadS0ul> do ps ax | grep apache
[10:08] <raf> sorry, it failed to start
[10:08] <DeadS0ul> see if it's started
[10:09] <raf> 16745 pts/1    S      0:00 /usr/lib/apache-ssl/gcache 33 /var/run/gcache_port
[10:09] <DeadS0ul> that doesn't look right
[10:09] <raf> :O
[10:09] <DeadS0ul> do ps ax | grep http
[10:09] <raf> 22464 pts/5    R+     0:00 grep http
[10:09] <DeadS0ul> =\
[10:10] <andreasc89> how do I get back my old Ubuntu programs?
[10:10] <raf> if I "./apache start", it start, if I "./apache2 start" it doesn't work
[10:10] <andreasc89> I rebooted, and then it was replaced by K* programs
[10:11] <DeadS0ul> Raf: pardon?
[10:11] <kulkaka> what program should I download to listen to mp3
[10:11] <kulkaka> I don't have any now
[10:11] <llukax> hi can someone tell me how i can upgrade kubuntu?
[10:11] <raf> I did "sudo apt-get remove apache2"
[10:11] <raf> it returns "Package apache2 is not installed, so not removed"
[10:12] <DeadS0ul> dpkg -l | grep apache
[10:12] <raf> DeadS0ul: I'll pastebin that, ok?
[10:13] <kulkaka> is there any user forum for ubuntu?
[10:13] <DeadS0ul> is there a lot?
[10:13] <kulkaka> or a wiki?
[10:13] <DeadS0ul> meh, go for it, pastepin
[10:13] <kulkaka> tell me one
[10:13] <DeadS0ul> kulkaka: yeah there's a ubuntu wiki, I frogot where though =|
[10:13] <DeadS0ul> google it
[10:13] <raf> DeadS0ul: 10 lines
[10:14] <raf> I figured out that apache2 is not installed but apache2-common
[10:14] <kulkaka> found one
[10:14] <kulkaka> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[10:14] <DeadS0ul> oh
[10:14] <raf> DeadS0ul: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13982
[10:15] <DeadS0ul> you want apache2 or apache?
[10:16] <raf> apache
[10:16] <raf> DeadS0ul: apache
[10:17] <DeadS0ul> apt-get remove apache2-common lib-apache2-mod-php4 etc etc
[10:17] <DeadS0ul> and then do apt-get install apache
[10:17] <kulkaka> if I want to install gnump3d
[10:17] <kulkaka> what do I write?
[10:17] <raf> DeadS0ul: ook
[10:17] <kulkaka> sudo apt-get search gnump3d doesn't work
[10:18] <kulkaka> "invalid operation search"
[10:18] <DeadS0ul> apt-get install gnump3d
[10:20] <raf> DeadS0ul: what about use Adept?
[10:20] <DeadS0ul> that's fine too
[10:20] <DeadS0ul> but I'll understand easier if you use command lines
[10:23] <raf> DeadS0ul: yes, I'm use command lines, that way I can learn much more
[10:24] <DeadS0ul> =] 
[10:32] <raf> DeadS0ul: do you know the apt-get option to show the installed packages?
[10:32] <DeadS0ul> all installed
[10:32] <DeadS0ul> you use dpkg -l
[10:34] <Lynoure> Does anyone else have problems with shutdown not always completing (about 50% of the time in my case). The system is left pingable but otherwise unresponding. If so, have you found a fix/workaround?
[10:41] <raf> what means the RC in "rc  apache                                1.3.33-8ubuntu1"?
[10:41] <raf> and the ii in "ii  apache-common                         1.3.33-8ubuntu1"
[10:43] <n3storm> hi everyone
[10:45] <raf> I can't believe this, Apache was running when Apache2 was installing, and know I have spent 2 hours on this
[10:47] <DeadS0ul> hehehehehhehe
[10:48] <raf> If only there were something to brute-force the removing of packages
[10:49] <DeadS0ul> dpkg --force remove
[10:49] <DeadS0ul> usually apt will handle all of these things for you
[10:50] <raf> in this case, apt-get is unable to handle my stupidity :D
[10:50] <DeadS0ul> haha
[10:50] <DeadS0ul> you'll get used to it
[10:50] <DeadS0ul> read the messages apt spits out at you
[10:50] <DeadS0ul> one of them is 'apt has super cow powers'
[10:51] <DeadS0ul> This APT has Super Cow Powers. even
[10:52] <tchize> Hello, can someone tell me where i need to put my wpa key for my wireless connection in kubuntu? It only has a box for wep keys :(
[10:53] <raf> DeadS0ul:  well, I'll try it again tomorrow, now, I'm sleepy
[10:54] <raf> DeadS0ul: thank you very much!!!!!!!!!
[10:58] <klerfayt> hello! I installed kubuntu yesterday after I made a desicion that I do not like new suse 10.1. The best thing is that I love kubuntu now!
[10:58] <alois> hi everyone
[10:59] <n3storm> hi
[10:59] <alois> dvdnavsrc.c(1512): dvdnavsrc_loop: /internal_thread/source:
[10:59] <alois> system error: Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler
[11:00] <alois> starting with kubuntu trying to one a DVD I get that error
[11:00] <alois> one -> open/play
[11:00] <n3storm> klerfayt: why you didn't like suse? (curiosity)
[11:00] <alois> I did not find anything on google
[11:00] <klerfayt> n3storm: it's new ZEN software  manager is resource hog
[11:01] <n3storm> klerfayt: can it be used from commandline?
[11:03] <klerfayt> n3storm: I think so; it was called rug
[11:03] <n3storm> klerfayt: what about software? can you add sources to suse?
[11:04] <klerfayt> n3storm: I tried, but I failed. nothing worked
[11:04] <klerfayt> n3storm: It was a nightmare
[11:04] <n3storm> really? :)
[11:05] <n3storm> the only thing I liked from suse was the look
[11:07] <klerfayt> anyway I got some questions about kubuntu - why there is no "grayscale" sub-pixel hinting anymore?
[11:18] <alois> okay, got it, thanks for no reply, but actually, that was the best answer, that could've been given
[11:25] <DerKlops> Hi.
[11:37] <Flosoft> hey
[11:38] <klerfayt> my nvidia-settings keep resetting every time I log into kde
[11:38] <Flosoft> is there a kubuntu package for 2X PXE Thin Client server?
[11:39] <Flosoft> http://www.2x.com/thinclientserver/downloadlinks.htm
[11:42] <Flosoft> anyone?
[11:46] <alois> automatiKs script stops at 0% thus does not complete installation of some packages under my BB5.10, any hints?
[11:46] <alois> thanks for your consideration
[11:47] <alois> I mean, NO package gets installed, not only some :)
[11:48] <ccc_> alois: what's automatiK?
[11:50] <alois> ccc_ google
[11:51] <alois> it's from the ubuntuwiki: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Automatiks
[11:51] <DeadS0ul> I'm bored
[11:53] <ccc_> alois: my german sucks, but if it's based on automatix:
[11:53] <ccc_> !automatix
[11:53] <ubotu> hmm... automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, such as !easyubuntu.
[11:56] <alois> ccc_: yes it is, it's the version for kde
[11:56] <alois> okies
[11:57] <alois> !easyubuntu
[11:58] <DeadS0ul> what bout klik?
[11:58] <DeadS0ul> !klik
[11:58] <DeadS0ul> woo
[11:58] <alois> !klik
[11:59] <ccc_> !easyubuntu
[12:00] <raphink> DeadS0ul: klik has nothing to do with automatix
[12:00] <raphink> and automatix should not be used
[12:00] <ccc_> hm, ubotu's been reconfigured?
[12:04] <alois> in the readme for easyubuntu they write: svn checkout svn://freecontrib.org/easyubuntu <-- freecontrib.org is unknown host
[12:04] <raphink> do not use easyubuntu :p
[12:05] <alois> oh get a grip, why is one telling one thing and another one the exact opposite
[12:05] <alois> hmpf
[12:05] <raphink> because users keep ignoring why devs say it's not good to use easyubuntu
[12:05] <alois> raphink: what else? I just need a lot of codecs and the JRE o.c
[12:06] <raphink> if it was up to users , ubuntu would be checkinstall-based
[12:06] <alois> yeah, so it isn't then? *g
[12:07] <Flosoft> is there a kubuntu package for 2X PXE Thin Client server?
[12:07] <raphink> !Restrictedformats
[12:07] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[12:08] <raphink> no idea Flosoft
[12:08] <DeadS0ul> where do I extract my superkaramba themes?
[12:09] <raphink> DeadS0ul: wherever you want ;)
[12:09] <raphink> then you can import them from superkaramba
[12:09] <raphink> iirc
[12:09] <DeadS0ul> i did, extracted ti to my desktop
[12:09] <raphink> mhm
[12:09] <DeadS0ul> but if I delete that folder, superkaramba chokes
[12:10] <ccc_> alois: why not just learn how to install things...? :)
[12:20] <DeadS0ul> raphink: found the palce to install it
[12:20] <DeadS0ul> XD
[12:24] <BlueEagle> quanta keeps quitting on me with the error "quanta: Fatal IO error: client killed". Anyone know how I can get a more useful errormessage or fix this? (It's installed on a ubuntu setup, but being a KDE app I thought I'd ask here too)
[12:26] <alois> ccc_: this was very childish of you. I use debian, this is a setup for a friends pc who likes to have the eye candy and all clickable, you should better give technical than philosophical advice
[12:26] <raphink> super DeadS0ul
[12:27] <raphink> BlueEagle: what version?
[12:27] <BlueEagle> raphink: Qt: 3.3.4 KDE: 3.5.2 Quanta: 3.5.2
[12:27] <raphink> alois: the wiki explains how to install all stuff
[12:28] <raphink> BlueEagle: using dapper?
[12:28] <BlueEagle> raphink: No, it's a breezy box.
[12:28] <raphink> ok
[12:28] <BlueEagle> raphink: However I did add unoficial sources and that might have broken my box. :)
[12:28] <raphink> did you find how to reproduce it?
[12:28] <raphink> hehe
[12:29] <BlueEagle> raphink: I can't reproduce it when I can't even start quanta.
[12:29] <raphink> hmm
[12:29] <andreasc89> how do I access my disk with a lock on it?
[12:29] <raphink> did you try restarting your session?
[12:29] <raphink> does it do it on a clean profile, too?
[12:29] <BlueEagle> raphink: What happened before the crash was that I accidentally grabbed the root folder in the file browser then pressed escape since the folder was following my cursor.
[12:29] <raphink> andreasc89: what kind of disk/partition is that?
[12:29] <BlueEagle> raphink: I rebooted and removed and reinstalled quanta.
[12:29] <andreasc89> I asked a few days ago and someone gave me a command that I wrote in the terminal
[12:29] <andreasc89> ntfs
[12:30] <andreasc89> and then it worked
[12:30] <raphink> ah
[12:30] <andreasc89> stupid me didn't write it down :(
[12:30] <raphink> I don't know about ntfs
[12:30] <raphink> never had windows ;)
[12:30] <andreasc89> lucky you
[12:30] <alois> yeah but the wiki is totally inconsistent, compare: eg. "restricted formats" and "codecs"
[12:30] <raphink> andreasc89: you're free to choose
[12:30] <raphink> BlueEagle: can you try with a clean profile?
[12:30] <andreasc89> I run linux now
[12:31] <andreasc89> but I can't access my ntfs partion
[12:31] <BlueEagle> raphink: how would I make a clean profile? Create a new user?
[12:31] <andreasc89> ubuntu dapper
[12:31] <raphink> alois: the wiki is one of the best ever for linux distros
[12:31] <raphink> yes BlueEagle
[12:31] <BlueEagle> raphink: will do.
[12:31] <andreasc89> can't find it in the wiki either
[12:32] <raphink> kulkaka: ntfs is not a kubuntu specific issue, you might ask on #ubuntu and get m ore answers
[12:32] <kulkaka> oops, didn't see that this was the kubuntu channel
[12:32] <raphink> kulkaka: no pb :)
[12:34] <BlueEagle> raphink: same error.
[12:34] <raphink> ah
[12:34] <raphink> doing what exactly?
[12:35] <BlueEagle> typing quanta in an attempt to launch the application.
[12:35] <raphink> no useful trace in the console?
[12:36] <BlueEagle> raphink: Nope. All i get is quanta: Fatal IO error: client killed
[12:36] <raphink> I have no clue
[12:36] <raphink> quanta works fine here
[12:36] <BlueEagle> Neither do I. :)
[12:36] <raphink> that is weird
[12:36] <BlueEagle> Well I'll upgrade to dapper anyways. That'll probably fix it.
[12:37] <raphink> so you say launching quanta with a new user doesn't work?
[12:37] <BlueEagle> raphink: That is what I am saying.
[12:37] <raphink> BlueEagle: I'd recommend installing dapper instead of upgrading
[12:37] <raphink> it's safer and more stable :)
[12:37] <ccc_> alois: ok. sorry about that. i'm just used to see new users expecting scripts to do the job, when the best way is to learn.
[12:37] <BlueEagle> raphink: Well that was my plan. Had too many headaches with dist-upgrade
[12:37] <BlueEagle> :
[12:37] <BlueEagle> )
[12:38] <raphink> hehe
[12:38] <raphink> ccc_: totally agree
[12:38] <raphink> installing stuff on ubuntu is not hard really
[12:39] <alois> ccc_ yes, I did it all manually now, but I mean, all the dvd-encryption and mp3 playing, java jre, flashplayer, codecs and so on, the script looked like a good way.
[12:40] <BlueEagle> so, for a box that is primarily a server but will be running quanta over an X-tunnel, is it best to use kubuntu or ubuntu? What are the pros and cons? It's a 700MHz P3 processor with 154 mb ram
[12:40] <raphink> alois: as a debian user, you should be used to not trusting scripts like this
[12:40] <jack1> automatix?
[12:40] <raphink> BlueEagle: ubuntu == kubuntu
[12:40] <tokeman> woha
[12:40] <kosh> BlueDevil: ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is kde  pick which one you want
[12:41] <raphink> BlueEagle: there's no difference, except kubuntu has kde by default and ubuntu has gnome
[12:41] <alois> raphink: come on, there are SEVERAL references to automatix inside the ubuntu-wiki, why shouldn't I trust, if obviously a big part of the community does
[12:41] <raphink> alois: the ubuntu wiki is open, people can write as they want in it
[12:41] <raphink> but it' snot supported
[12:41] <raphink> and all the devs will recommend you don't use it
[12:42] <raphink> now as I say alois many users recommend using unofficial sources or checkinstall
[12:42] <BlueEagle> raphink: Well I'll go for kubuntu then since I'll primarily be using quanta on the server.
[12:42] <BlueEagle> raphink: thanks for your thoughts.
[12:42] <alois> raphink: yes, it can't be, there are non-free packages used, this is perfectly acceptable.
[12:42] <raphink> instead of asking devs to backport packages they need
[12:43] <raphink> I'm sorry to say the choices users make are not alwyas the best ones
[12:43] <raphink> and if we followed them, the distro would be horrible
[12:43] <raphink> so yes you'll find a lot of references to automatix
[12:43] <raphink> a lot of users use it
[12:43] <raphink> and I'm sorry of it
[12:44] <alois> raphink: I agree
[12:45] <raphink> alois: we don't want to conttrol the wiki entirely
[12:45] <raphink> we know users want an ease of use, installation and settings
[12:45] <raphink> we are working on it
[12:45] <raphink> but we reject the automatix solutionn
[12:45] <raphink> which is dirty
[12:45] <raphink> ;)
[12:48] <raphink> kakalto: ?
[12:48] <kakalto> ^_^ I have my beautiful ubuntu set up
[12:48] <kakalto> text-only, and it's great
[12:48] <raphink> hehe
[12:48] <raphink> great
[12:48] <raphink> haha
[12:49] <raphink> can be very nice :)
[12:49] <kakalto> I'm sitting here listening to music in the dark, the best feeling ever.... it's taken me over 10hours to get here
[12:49] <raphink> really?
[12:49] <raphink> kakalto: first install?
[12:49] <kakalto> silly clipping problems with large hard-drives and old bios.
[12:49] <kakalto> raphink: not at all
[12:50] <raphink> ah
[12:50] <raphink> LBA issues?
[12:50] <kakalto> I spent atleast 5 hours trying to get the comp to a) recognise it, and b) see it as more than 2gb
[12:50] <raphink> LBA in BIOS
[12:50] <kakalto> in the end, I swapped it for a smaller drive in another comp, which took a couple of hours to copy over...
[12:50] <raphink> don't you have it?
[12:51] <kakalto> yeah, but it didn't do much
[12:51] <raphink> really?
[12:51] <kakalto> yep.
[12:51] <kakalto> with normal jumpers on, it would even crash the BIOS when it tried to auto-detect it
[12:51] <raphink> then partitionning /boot as a primary withing the fist 1024 cylinders
[12:52] <kakalto> it wouldn't get past BIOS detection of drives
[12:52] <kakalto> even when I user-set all the details
[12:52] <raphink> how old is your bios?
[12:52] <mayol_> i have problems w/ e ntfs partition. the installer fail if i want mount it
[12:52] <kakalto> may '97
[12:53] <raphink> kakalto: couldn't you flash it with a new version?
[12:53] <kakalto> I decided trying to flash it was a bit risky; I don't even know if flashing is supported
[12:53] <raphink> mayol_: you should ask on #ubuntu sinc ethis is a general issue
[12:53] <raphink> kakalto: ok
[12:53] <waterglass> hi, i want to install eclipse on my kubuntu machine.. can someone help me with which packages i need as there are quite a few in the repositories?
[12:53] <kakalto> plus, it takes a lot to mess around and get the right bios, a bootable disk, the flasher app...
[12:53] <kakalto> but I <3 this comp
[12:53] <waterglass> i know i need eclipse-jdt for java but i'm not sure about the main eclipse program packages needed..
[12:54] <waterglass> thanks
[12:54] <raphink> I'd say install eclipse waterglass
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> waterglass: start with installing the java sdk from restricted formats
[12:54] <kakalto> stubborn piece of crap, but I love its character
[12:54] <waterglass> h3sp4wn: i have j2se installed and fully functional on my machine.. i just need the eclipse packages..
[12:55] <kakalto> I'll get a GUI on it eventually, but that isn't a particularly high priority ;)
[12:55] <waterglass> raphink: thanks, i'm not sure which packages are needed as there are many in the repos and no single "eclipse"
[12:55] <h3sp4wn> waterglass: The sdk not the runtime ?
[12:55] <waterglass> h3sp4wn: yeah, i can compile and run both.. i have been using vim all this time for my java programming but would like something that can handle bigger projects now..
[12:56] <kakalto> q
[12:57] <DrNickRiviera> can i deactivate cupsys, seeing as i never print anything
[12:57] <DrNickRiviera> or would that break something?
[12:57] <h3sp4wn> waterglass: just install just eclipse-sdk and will bring in what it needs
[01:00] <raphink> waterglass: yes there is
[01:00] <waterglass> h3sp4wn: thanks!
[01:00] <waterglass> raphink: there is? i seem to have missed it..
[01:00] <raphink> well in dapper at least
[01:00] <raphink> haven't checked in breezy
[01:01] <waterglass> raphink: ah, i'm in breezy still and a search for it didn't return anything..
[01:01] <raphink> ah it's missing in breezy
[01:01] <raphink> right
[01:01] <raphink> that was added in dapper it seems
[01:02] <kubuntutaotao> i feel it was a bug about kernel of 2.6.15-22-686, it perhaps caused that internet didn't connect
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> waterglass: did you install eclipse-jdt and its not working ?
[01:05] <waterglass> h3sp4wn: i'm just installing eclipse-sdk and all the required packages now.. but yeah, eclipse-jdt is one of the required packages.. hmm so is mozilla-browser!!
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> waterglass: Something in kubuntu-desktop depends on the locales for mozilla firefox (which I don't have installed) which is equally stupid
[01:06] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: it does?  what is it?
[01:07] <waterglass> i've had mozilla-browser as a required dependency before too and never quite understood why.. :/
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/716591 - It is going to break all the locales by the looks of it if I remove it
[01:10] <Hobbsee> waterglass: probably from flash plugin or something.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> waterglass: apt-cache rdepends mozilla-browser
[01:11] <waterglass> ah i see..
[01:11] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: this is breezy or dapper?
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: dapper
[01:12] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: what happens when you try to install mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> Hobbsee: I have kept it installed I never removed it - I was pointabout bad dependancies which should be unneeded
[01:13] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[01:15] <declan> Hi. Does anyone know if there is a mirror for easyubuntu. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ seems to be down
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> declan: "wget http://robotgeek.org/eu/easyubuntu-3.0-beta.tar.gz" is the line you need
[01:17] <declan> thanks! I appreciate it.
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> declan: run it from a terminal once you have downloaded it will tell you how to start it
[01:25] <alois> freecontrib.org is down?
[01:25] <alois> or is it only me
[01:26] <thoreauputic> alois: it's down
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> "wget http://robotgeek.org/eu/easyubuntu-3.0-beta.tar.gz" is the file
[01:30] <joedj> i have .mpg from mencoder that contain video and audio. k3b's DVD video creation screen presents me with an AUDIO_TS section and a VIDEO_TS section. can i just drop these videos in the VIDEO_TS section and assume the audio will work too, or do i have to demux them?
[01:31] <alois> h3sp4wn: thanks, but you're funny guy, installing/running easyubuntu is not the problem but easyubuntu refers to freecontrib on most packages :)
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> apt-get --yes --allow-unauthenticated install - is also easyubuntu does anyway
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> s/also/all
[01:48] <Ryoga85> how to install glib?
[01:48] <Ryoga85> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.3... no
[01:48] <Ryoga85> *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
[01:48] <Ryoga85> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[01:48] <Ryoga85> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed.
[01:48] <Ryoga85> configure: error: "Cannot find glib"
[01:52] <uniq> ryoga85: you need the devel package for glib. I think that would be 'libglib2.0-dev'
[01:55] <samuli> it's fun to compile from sources.. You end up downloading easily 100mb worth of stuff just to compile few megs worth of program :)
[01:55] <Ryoga85> yeah
[01:56] <Hobbsee> sampan: hehe yep
[01:56] <Ryoga85> configure complete, now type 'make' and pray.
[01:56] <Ryoga85> *lol*
[01:56] <Ryoga85> uniq: ty
[01:56] <uniq> you're welcome :)
[01:57] <samuli> and other thing is that you're never really sure what packages you actually need.
[01:57] <h3sp4wn> You are if you read the documentation you are trying to build
[01:58] <h3sp4wn> You are if you read the documentation off the package you are trying to build sorry
[01:59] <samuli> h3sp4wn, they very rarely tell you exactly what you need.
[01:59] <samuli> just something along the lines 'glib' 'wxpython' 'ruby' or something.
[02:00] <samuli> and then there's like hundreds of packages that apt-cache founds with those search words.
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> they usually give versions
[02:01] <samuli> yeah, but that doesn't always help either.
[02:01] <h3sp4wn> And you obviously need the dev package for whatever is specified
[02:02] <samuli> yeah.
[02:02] <samuli> but still, there's lots from to choose sometimes.
[02:04] <Benix> hi
[02:04] <Ryoga85> ok, ty again
[02:05] <Benix> Hm, I tried installing kubuntu 6.06 Flight 7 several times. With live and with textmode CD. Both failed. It always hangs after booting into the hdinstallation at : configuring network .... Entering Runlevel 7 : No more processes for this runlevel left. And that's it. Nothing happends after that
[02:06] <Benix> Runlevel 7 doesn't make any sense for me
[02:06] <Benix> I really don't know whats wrong
[02:07] <DeadS0ul> runlevel 7?
[02:07] <Benix> There is also no login-promt/shell
[02:07] <Benix> DeadS0ul: Yes
[02:07] <DeadS0ul> isn't runlevel 6 reboot?
[02:09] <Benix> Does kubuntu have problems with xfs? It didn't want to install a bootloader, ok thats normal when using xfs as "/". But I have a physically seperated /boot and other distris working with xfs as root
[02:09] <kakalto> how long would one expect a cvs compie of e17 to take on a pentium2Z
[02:09] <kakalto> *?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> er....no idea...
[02:10] <Benix> kakalto: gefechtsdienst offers some debs. Don't know if they are ubuntucompatibel
[02:10] <klerfayt> I need an utility that resizes screen and sits in systray. In suse it was named krandtray if remember correctly.
[02:11] <Devlin> klerfayt: krandrtray
[02:11] <uniq> benix: please submit a bug as described at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingBugs, give hardware information and describe your problem, assign to kubuntu-team. thanks :)
[02:11] <Benix> uniq: ok
[02:12] <klerfayt> krandrtray kubuntu equivalent?
[02:12] <kakalto> ah well, I'm off
[02:12] <kakalto> goodnight all
[02:13] <klerfayt> oh I see - it's just not in the menu, but runs if I type command
[02:15] <klerfayt> anyone know why my nvidia-settings keep resetting every time I login to kde?
[02:16] <Benix> I can't find a file like /var/log/messages ... But I wish to see the last kernel echos again ...
[02:16] <Benix> would be useful for bugreport I think
[02:17] <apol> klerfayt: you have kcontrol's Screen module
[02:17] <klerfayt> apol: I do
[02:18] <klerfayt> apol: what's the connection between them?
[02:19] <apol> klerfayt: the use is the same... :S
[02:20] <klerfayt> apol: I don't get it
[02:20] <apol> klerfayt: you were asking about a krandrtray substitute in kubuntu...
[02:20] <klerfayt> apol: I mean if I log in and run nvidia-settings to my surprise the settings are default again
[02:21] <klerfayt> apol: I solved that already
[02:21] <apol> klerfayt: ok, sorry
[02:22] <apol> klerfayt: I don't use any nvidia... I don't know what does this program do
[02:23] <Lynoure> klerfayt: I don't know about nvidia either, but how did you set them in the first place?
[02:24] <klerfayt> Lynoure: I'm running dapper drake beta 2; it's the nvidia control panel that comes with latest nvidia drivers
[02:25] <Lynoure> klerfayt: So you only set them after logging in? Maybe there is some setting for making them default or something you can put to .kde/Autostart to set them when kde starts?
[02:25] <klerfayt> what's the meaning of "error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy" ?
[02:28] <Lynoure> klerfayt: see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/39952
[02:29] <Lynoure> ...gone
[02:29] <klerfayt> hmm looks like this is default behaviour of nvidia-setting (settings reset to default)
[02:29] <klerfayt> nice it's harmless warning
[03:16] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:17] <JOhncro13> hello
[03:18] <Johncro13> que pasa?
[03:27] <Johncro13> anyone here awake?
[03:30] <Johncro13> what's the command to grant temporary root permission?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Johncro13: sudo?
[03:31] <Johncro13> specifically in K.
[03:31] <Johncro13> gksudo...maybe
[03:34] <Hobbsee> kdesu
[04:09] <V-Lan> hello
[04:10] <V-Lan> i have a little problem for shutdown my laptop :S
[04:10] <V-Lan> with flight 7 ... also dapper 6..
[04:12] <manfred> I'm sort of unhappy with the recent updates in dapper
[04:12] <V-Lan> when i click on shutdown computer in kdm it's OK but when i go in KDE session the computer write Will now halt, the screen is black but not close
[04:12] <V-Lan> total
[04:13] <manfred> kubuntu isn't able to mount my smb shares all of a sudden
[04:15] <manfred> I got: //server/share   /home/user/share smbfs  credential=/etc/samba/creds,rw,iocharset=utf8,codepage=cp850,uid=user,gid=user  0  0
[04:16] <manfred> in fstab. It used to mount correctly but now hald hangs a while on bootup and then my shares are not mounted
[04:17] <manfred> If I comment out the share in fstab hald starts correctly like everything else.
[04:17] <manfred> so how do I mount smb shares correctly with the new system?
[04:18] <manfred> I need them to mount in the normal place without media:/
[04:18] <manfred> Riddell ?
[04:19] <Johncro13> manfred, have you checked out the samba chat yet?
[04:20] <manfred> No, haven't. There hasn't changed so much within samba, has there?
[04:20] <manfred> I even set smbmnt to u+s with no success
[04:21] <Johncro13> honestly, no.
[04:21] <Johncro13> huh...
[04:21] <Johncro13> have you tried just going to cifs?
[04:21] <manfred> Ah, that might be an idea.
[04:22] <Johncro13> That's all I know.  It's newer and there seems to be a lot more support for it.
[04:22] <Johncro13> just a suggestion.
[04:22] <AzteK> hey all
[04:23] <Johncro13> hey, AzteK
[04:23] <manfred> I've never tampered with it yet and have no idea of how it works yet
[04:23] <Johncro13> seriously, me either.
[04:23] <Johncro13> but I'm willing to give it a chance.
[04:23] <manfred> guess I'm going to have another read
[04:23] <AzteK> i have some ATI Xgl problems does anybody know something about tis ( or other channel/forum maybe? )
[04:24] <h3sp4wn> manfred: does it mount once the system is booted if you do sudo mount -a
[04:25] <Johncro13> AzteK, i have an ATI x600, and I'm planning to getting XGL up and running asap, but right now, I'm just trying to fix my Mesa issue.
[04:25] <Johncro13> sorry.
[04:25] <AzteK> ah owkee np
[04:26] <AzteK> i am just really curious what the problems is
[04:26] <AzteK> because it just looks really cewl
[04:26] <AzteK> but after like 2 minutes or so it locks up
[04:26] <AzteK> ( depending on how hard i "push" the buttons )
[04:26] <AzteK> anywayz
[04:27] <Johncro13> maybe I'm thinking like a windoze user, but what does your x config file say?
[04:27] <Johncro13> what driver do you have?
[04:27] <AzteK> the newest from the ati website
[04:28] <Johncro13> fglrx, then?
[04:28] <AzteK> ( i have a version number ofcourse but it just locked up so i am rebooting now )
[04:29] <manfred> h3sp4wn: yes
[04:29] <AzteK> yeah, fglrx 8.24.8
[04:30] <Johncro13> as long as your xorg.conf file says that instead of ATI, you should be golden.
[04:30] <manfred> h3sp4wn: I did mount //server/share
[04:30] <AzteK> yeah it does
[04:30] <AzteK> i also have alott of features i can use without it locking up
[04:30] <AzteK> like te turning of the cube
[04:31] <Johncro13> which is awesome, by the way.
[04:31] <AzteK> but if i like open a application like firefox it locks when i let go of the mouse button
[04:31] <AzteK> yeah definetly its very nice
[04:31] <AzteK> but is there ah way i could check what's going wrong
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> manfred: You chould just the samba mount in /etc/rc.local (and sudo chmod 755 /etc/rc.local) It is probably due to networking not being up when it tries to mount the share - If you do it from rc.local it gets run pretty much last
[04:32] <Johncro13> you've ghecked the forums?
[04:32] <AzteK> as in it locks up but does it save something anywhere lika kerneldump or?
[04:32] <AzteK> yeah all weekend
[04:32] <Johncro13> geez.
[04:33] <AzteK> yeah there are a lott of ati issues out there in combination with Xgl
[04:33] <Johncro13> I'm probably going to come across the same issue in a bout 20 minutes.
[04:33] <AzteK> but most issue's are resolved for other cards then mine
[04:33] <Johncro13> until then...
[04:34] <AzteK> i boot xgl with a script though so my original x is still intact
[04:34] <Johncro13> ...
[04:34] <Johncro13> um...
[04:34] <Johncro13> that might be it.
[04:35] <AzteK> ok it could but this example script i got is used on almost any forum
[04:35] <AzteK> ofcourse it still could be it though
[04:36] <AzteK> should i change my orignial X in to Xgl?
[04:36] <AzteK> ( the script is started from command line by the way )
[04:36] <Johncro13> oh man.
[04:36] <Johncro13> I'd say back-up everything with your back-up prog of choice first.
[04:37] <AzteK> yeah i have my work image on another partition
[04:38] <AzteK> so this is purely test
[04:46] <ciga> hi
[05:01] <Ahmuck> i am looking for python-dev for 2.3.5.  any idea where i would find it ?
[05:02] <visik7> why 2.3.5 ?
[05:02] <visik7> apt-get install python2.3-dev ?
[05:04] <AzteK> hmmz
[05:05] <AzteK> i would like to download the kernel headers for kubuntu fligt 7 which package is that
[05:05] <AzteK> because if i look for kernel-headers it only reports kernel 2.4
[05:06] <AzteK> ah spook/typed to soon nevermind
[05:15] <BlueEagle> So, I've installed kubuntu dapper. How do I prevent it from starting KDM at boot time? I don't want a graphical login screen, nor the Xserver started.
[05:18] <brandon_> i've got a project in mind, and i'm looking for knowledgeable volunteers to help out
[05:18] <AzteK> you can check out the dir /etc/rc2.d/ everything in this dir gets started
[05:19] <AzteK> you'll probably see something like kdm in there of you delete that it won't load on startup
[05:19] <hugelmopf> AzteK: everything, but not the links starting with K. they will be stopped when this runlevel is entered
[05:19] <brandon_> what i want to do is create a bunch of debs that install color themes, iconsets, styles, things like that from kde-look.org. then, i want to create a metapackage, maybe called "eyecandy" or something, that will automatically install them all
[05:19] <AzteK> sorry yeah
[05:20] <AzteK> everything with S is started everything with K is stopped in that runlevel
[05:20] <xtacocorex> BlueEagle: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491 this thread talkes about boot up stuff and it tells how to turn services on and orr
[05:20] <brandon_> texstar has been doing stuff like that for years on his distro
[05:20] <xtacocorex> BlueEagle: off, i mean
[05:21] <BlueEagle> thanks xtacocorex
[05:22] <xtacocorex> BlueEagle: np
[05:29] <konfuzed> hey what runs on port 6667
[05:30] <AzteK> sometimes irc
[05:32] <nico8481> hi
[05:32] <jorik> is there an applet to control amarok from within the KDE-panel (the "taskbar") ?
[05:32] <AzteK> konfuzed, you can type "netstat -nap --tcp --udp" on the console and it will display a list of port's and which application is using that port
[05:32] <AzteK> without the quotes
[05:32] <xtacocorex> jorik: there should be the media player kicker applet
[05:33] <jorik> xtacocorex, hmm lemme look again ... didnt find it the first time
[05:33] <xtacocorex> jorik: i'm not in kde right now so i can't look, but i remember using it at one point
[05:34] <konfuzed> ok so its showing xchat on 6667  should have put those two and two together and then firefox but I look at my modem and the RX TX was on solid almost continuously
[05:35] <AzteK> we'll beter save then sorry so checking isn't bad
[05:35] <konfuzed> but when I do,  netstat -n  ,  it shows 97 of these,  /tmp/orbit-techone/linc-1d62-0-5c25279a97b15  ,   what are they for ??
[05:36] <jorik> xtacocorex, yeah i know, i had it in gentoo im almost sure of it ... but i cant seem to find it now, can you download additional applets somewhere ?
[05:36] <xtacocorex> http://www.kde-apps.org
[05:37] <jorik> thx a lot bro
[05:37] <xtacocorex> jorik: np
[05:37] <AzteK> konfuzed, i don't know but those are "file connections"
[05:38] <AzteK> konfuzed, those go to a place on your harddrive they are not network connected as far as i know
[05:40] <schlonz> hi, i'd like to upgrade to dapper, but i have software from unofficial sources installed which do not have dapper repositories yet.. could that screw the update process?
[05:41] <viator> you mean the penguin liberation front?
[05:41] <viator> repos
[05:41] <schlonz> yes that and morgoth and mirrormax
[05:42] <viator> well with just the plf and dapper ive been fine
[05:43] <schlonz> i only have java from plf and that doesn't have dependencies afaik..but what about the other repos? i'm scared that because of unsolvable dependency problems the update will stop right in the middle, leaving an unusable system..
[05:45] <viator> all you can do is backup anything valuable and go for it
[05:46] <schlonz> isn't there a way to find out which packages are not from official repos and deinstall them?
[05:47] <hugelmopf> schlonz: if dependencies cannot be met, the upgrade process won't start.
[05:47] <hugelmopf> schlonz: are you on command line or using adept?
[05:47] <schlonz> aha! so nothing bad can happen, good to know
[05:47] <schlonz> i use randomly both
[05:48] <viator> yeah and you can do a "test"
[05:48] <hugelmopf> schlonz: if you are on the command line, i would probably just update your sources.list and then "sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and see, if it gives you any errors.
[05:49] <nbdy> wich driver shall I use? kubuntu-i368  - http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html ?
[05:49] <hugelmopf> schlonz: or wants to remove a lot of stuff, that you think should be kept.
[05:50] <schlonz> aha i see so i'll try the command line. it's just not easy to know for me what should be kept and what should get deleted
[05:50] <schlonz> but i'll try out the test mode..
[05:51] <hugelmopf> nbdy: if you are trying to install the nvidia drivers, i'd look around in the wiki, e.g.: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:52] <konfuzed> nbdy, use the driver that matches your installed version set  -uname -a   will show your i386 or i686 or amd64
[05:52] <schlonz> thanks
[05:53] <konfuzed> nbdy, usually people want the nvidia video card drivers.  Are you looking for mobo-chipset drivers from nvidia  as in nforce
[05:54] <phankipinguin> tach@all
[05:56] <nbdy> i just want to use the optimal drive to get smoother and faster scrolling
[05:56] <jorik> how can i uninstall gnome and all that came with it ?
[05:56] <nbdy> thx
[05:57] <jorik> i m tempted to just leave em installed, but unless i find a way to upgrade *only* KDE, i want gnome out
[05:57] <viator> apt-get --purge remove gnome-desktop
[05:57] <viator> ?
[05:58] <jorik> cool thx
[06:01] <chx> is there a simple to use program to do simple modifications on scanned images? krita is everything but simple... i was unable to crop or to draw a rectangle black or... anything.
[06:02] <lwizardl> how do i mount a ntfs partition
[06:02] <tsdgeos> chx: kolourpaint ?
[06:03] <viator> krita is nice
[06:03] <viator> but i still prefer gimp\
[06:03] <tsdgeos> kolourpaint is easier to use
[06:03] <tsdgeos> :D
[06:03] <viator> kolorpaint is like ms paint
[06:03] <chx> viator: I am a programmer for 20 years and my head is thicker than the walls of a bomb shelter
[06:03] <chx> viator: krita is just not for me
[06:03] <tsdgeos> viator: and seems what chx wants to do
[06:04] <chx> indeed
[06:04] <chx> this program looks more my cup of tea
[06:04] <chx> thanks
[06:04] <tsdgeos> np
[06:05] <viator> if all you want to do is rotate
[06:05] <viator> resize
[06:05] <viator> crop
[06:05] <viator> etc
[06:05] <viator> use digikam
[06:06] <viator> has blur redeye reduction that kind of stuff
[06:06] <viator> kinda like fspot
[06:07] <viator> but for kde
[06:10] <xtacocorex> jorik: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96046
[06:10] <xtacocorex> jorik: for uninstalling gnome fully
[06:16] <nox-Hand> Hey
[06:16] <RavenTest> Where would the firewall settings be located??
[06:16] <nox-Hand> Has some update come, that might kill my screen resolution? I can only go up to 640x480 after this reboot 0_o
[06:16] <chx> viator: digikam? i will check that too, but kolourpaint worked great for now
[06:16] <konfuzed> please can someone point to a link or page that actually reviews what orbit is or orbit2
[06:19] <bhna> !firewall
[06:19] <ubotu> Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter, which can be installed via synaptic.
[06:20] <RavenTest> bhna: Can it be disabled??
[06:20] <nox-Hand> !crappy screenresolution
[06:20] <ubotu> nox-Hand: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:20] <nox-Hand> ubotu, Dumbass..
[06:20] <ubotu> nox-Hand: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:20] <Riddell> manfred: hi
[06:21] <manfred> gooday
[06:21] <bhna> RavenTest: the firewall is disabled
[06:22] <_ryan_> is anyone here familiar with Kopete?
[06:22] <RavenTest> bhna: oh ... so the firewall is disabled by default and to enable it, you firestarter ? Correct?
[06:22] <ccc_> _ryan_: well, yeah. why?
[06:22] <nox-Hand> _ryan_, Yes, but depends on what you want to know.
[06:22] <manfred> Riddell: Can you tell me what changed in the bootup process that prevents smb shares to mount when in fstab
[06:22] <_ryan_> Is it possible for me to change my AIM profile?
[06:22] <RavenTest> s/you/use
[06:23] <_ryan_> And if so, how?
[06:23] <bhna> RavenTest: or guardog. this is an kde-prog
[06:23] <manfred> I used the suggestion h3sp4wn made to put the mount command in rc.local and that works now the way I want
[06:23] <manfred> more or less
[06:23] <RavenTest> bhna:So it's disable by default install?  Big thanks
[06:24] <manfred> Riddell: and if you can't, who knows?
[06:26] <Riddell> manfred: I don't know of anything like that, try asking on the ubuntu-devel list
[06:26] <manfred> thank you
[06:26] <nox-Hand> I need help with my screen resolution.
[06:26] <nox-Hand> It just died. 0_o This boot I cannot go higher than 640x480. I do not know why.
[06:27] <nox-Hand> gotta go. bbiab. Please come with suggestions if anyone has.
[06:29] <bhna> RavenTest: yes it's disabled by default installation.
[06:29] <RavenTest> thanks bhna :)
[06:38] <xtacocorex> just wanted clarification, but everything in /tmp gets removed at boot right?
[06:41] <tsdgeos> xtacocorex: there's nothing better than the real test
[06:42] <Lynoure> real test sounds like an oxymoron :)
[06:43] <klerfayt> how you go from beta 2 to flight 7?
[06:44] <samuli> the repos are same, so it's just matter of updating.
[06:44] <klerfayt> so apt-get dist-upgrade is enough?
[06:44] <samuli> I think (never used beta 2)
[06:44] <samuli> You don't need to dist-upgrade at all me thinks
[06:44] <samuli> just regular updates will do it.
[06:44] <klerfayt> apt-get upgrade?
[06:46] <klerfayt> so how I go from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS Beta 2 to flight 7?
[06:47] <klerfayt> apt-get upgrade?
[06:49] <nox-Hand> Back
[06:49] <nox-Hand> Any ideas?
[06:53] <nox-Hand> =[
[06:57] <h3sp4wn> Is there any reason why to go to the next tab in Konversation the shortcut is alt + arrow whereas in Konsole it is shift arrow ? Doesn't seem consistant
[07:05] <ravel> hi, what would be the correct setup in Disk & Filesystems for digital camera and/or card reader(s)?
[07:06] <ravel> I have VFAT, /mnt/canmera, /dev/sde1, Enable at start up, Writeable, Files belong to me (also group) and Mount Permission: any user
[07:07] <ravel> it works - once - and when I remove the card or the camera and reconnect, it says that special device /dev/sde1 does not exist.
[07:09] <hugelmopf> ravel: usually removable devices shouldn't need any extra configuration. are you on breezy or dapper? and which KDE version do you use?
[07:09] <ravel> hugelmopf, dapper, 3.5.2
[07:09] <ravel> ok, so what is the "basic" working configuration then?
[07:10] <ravel> (also if I try manually mount /mnt/camera, I get "mount: special device /dev/sde1 does not exist")
[07:12] <ravel> eh, it seems that it is no more /dev/sde1, not it is /dev/sdg1
[07:17] <Tombuntu> i don't know what the jazz is all about!
[07:18] <Tombuntu> using thunderbird provided by adept i keep getting told that the profile i imported from windows (1.5 of tbird) is in use
[07:18] <Tombuntu> i resolved this somehow last night and it worked fine and now im getting the same thing again
[07:18] <Tombuntu> there is no lockfile
[07:21] <am> hey guys, on a g3 800 ibook. I'm looking for a kde app which will just sit in my system tray and display wireless networks that are available
[07:21] <am> and allow me pick / join one
[07:21] <am> and if its wep encrypted prompt me for the password
[07:22] <am> i'm running breezy flight 6 just about to do a dist upgrade, is there an app that will do this ?
[07:24] <jeff_> sup guys
[07:24] <jeff_> does anybody know how to get kopete desklist without compiling?
[07:25] <Tombuntu> come on little fellow you like to jump rope dont you
[07:30] <kettenschutz> hey there
[07:30] <kettenschutz> someone knows IMWHEEL ?!
[07:30] <Tombuntu> jazz is like pigtails
[07:30] <kettenschutz> i've got problems with it and dunno how to fix
[07:37] <nbdy> whats the default installation path of konqueror?
[07:37] <nbdy> cant find it in /usr/lib
[07:39] <manfred> nbdy: dpkg -L konqueror
[07:44] <CaBlGuY> Howdy peeps, anyone alive??
[07:44] <CaBlGuY> Oh boi..  :/
[07:45] <CaBlGuY> havin problems already huh??
[07:45] <OutoLumo> Still.. I wonder if there is a wrkaround to the root password issue...
[07:46] <OutoLumo> Any ideas?
[07:46] <OutoLumo> And the starting point is, that I would not like to install neither root password not Gnome...
[07:47] <jeff__> anybody else having problems with mldonkey-server?
[07:47] <CaBlGuY> OutoLumo,  u can always use the command line and do the sudo command
[07:48] <gringo> how do i install realplayer?
[07:48] <OutoLumo> CaBlGuY: ok, and any ideas how to an use interactive command-line program here?
[07:49] <CaBlGuY> interactive..  hmmmmm
[07:49] <CaBlGuY> !seen Hobbsee
[07:49] <ubotu> hobbsee <n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee> was last seen on IRC in channel #kubuntu, 4h 15m 44s ago, saying: 'kdesu'.
[07:50] <kbrooks> What is Kubuntu''s preferred development language?
[07:50] <h3sp4wn> c++ ?
[07:51] <jeff__> kbrooks: based on my very limited knowledge of kubuntu dev, im saying c++
[07:51] <kbrooks> h3sp4wn: dont guess
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> kde is written in it
[07:51] <kbrooks> Riddell: ping
[07:51] <jeff__> lol yeah Riddell should know
[07:52] <CaBlGuY> kbrooks,  base language for devel is anaconda if I'm remembering right..
[07:52] <neoncode> Hey is there a grapical map of all the X componants? Or an explination, to show were all these window managers and other stuff fits in?
[07:53] <kbrooks> CaBlGuY: thats not a language
[07:53] <CaBlGuY> kbrooks,  ok, so I'm not remembering right..  :op
[07:54] <_kettenschutz_> hey
[07:54] <_kettenschutz_> someone knows why imwheel wont work for me ?!
[07:54] <CaBlGuY> _kettenschutz,  I give up why..  ;o)
[07:56] <jeff__> anybody else having problems with mldonkey-server?
[07:56] <_kettenschutz_> mhh
[07:57] <CaBlGuY> don't use it so, that would be a no for me.  :)
[07:57] <jeff__> hmm
[07:57] <CaBlGuY> hmm indeed..  and Im out for a while..
[07:58] <jeff__> k
[07:58] <CaBlGuY-Gone> bbl kiddies..  ;o)
[08:00] <ubuntu> I'm running Live CD Flight 7, and I've noticed that drop down to select your window decoration everything appears twice except KDE2.  Has anyone else noted this behavior?
[08:03] <per> hello
[08:03] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hello.
[08:04] <per> i have just installed kubuntu, and so far it has worked great, but i can't get mp3 to work...
[08:04] <tsdgeos> !mp3
[08:04] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:04] <I_Eat_Plastic> per: just follow that guide, it will help you.
[08:04] <per> ok, sorry, i did something wrong before...
[08:08] <nbdy> will limewire (.bin) installer in der konsole ffnen
[08:09] <nbdy> aber der meint immer cmd not found
[08:09] <nbdy> wrong chan
[08:11] <per> is a lot of german speaking going on here?
[08:11] <kbrooks> no.
[08:12] <per> but kubuntu IS german, right?
[08:15] <manfred> per: what is german?
[08:15] <manfred> try #kubuntu-de
[08:15] <kbrooks> per: -de, not herre
[08:15] <am> per: i don't think kubuntu is german in origin either
[08:15] <am> per: suse is
[08:16] <per> well, i don't speak much german either :)
[08:16] <per> am: yeah i know
[08:16] <tsdgeos> per: kubuntu is british probably
[08:16] <per> is isle of man a part of britain?
[08:17] <manfred> we are cosmopolites
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> The isle of man is its own country
[08:17] <tsdgeos> per: why isle of man? distrowatch?
[08:17] <gringo> configure: error: X Screensaver extension header files not found! <-- any idea?
[08:17] <tsdgeos> gringo: install them
[08:18] <tsdgeos> libxss-dev or something like that iirxc
[08:19] <gringo> tsdgeos: thanks :)
[08:19] <tsdgeos> np
[08:20] <per> tsdgeos: yes, distrowatch was the thing i thought of
[08:20] <tsdgeos> well i always wondered why they say isle of man
[08:20] <tsdgeos> Riddell: any idea?
[08:20] <tsdgeos> Riddell: you're not from there right?
[08:21] <per> is anyone here from isle of man anyway?
[08:23] <Fri13> Hi!
[08:23] <per> hello
[08:24] <Fri13> I just downloaded kubuntu and i was about to install but i cant. Both installers crash. beta desktop installer and install from reboot just hangs to "loading linux kernel" message.
[08:24] <Fri13> I i have USB device like WLAN or hard-drive plugged, it gives error -71 for them and hangs there after that.
[08:24] <Fri13> If
[08:24] <am> Fri13: this from a bootable cd
[08:25] <am> ?
[08:25] <Fri13> am i downloaded DVD version.
[08:25] <Fri13> - am :-P
[08:25] <am> ok, try removing the HD and see if that gets any further
[08:25] <Fri13> So there should be both, live and install version.
[08:25] <Fri13> Ok
[08:25] <am> the removable one
[08:26] <Fri13> am i removed all usb devices... then it dont give any error but just hangs out.
[08:26] <am> hmm, what are your system specs
[08:26] <Fri13> But still i can use this disk as live version and everything works fine.
[08:27] <Fri13> +2.8Ghz, 1Gt ram, 80Gt hard-drive (not included usb2), KT3-ultra2 motherboard and Radeon 9700 3D card.
[08:28] <sanchom> key guhey guys
[08:28] <sanchom> oops.. hey guys
[08:28] <am> Fri13: hmm well if you can use it as a live cd it should install fine...pretty odd. I'm on an apple ibook my self so i'm not sure i can help too much from here
[08:28] <Fri13> This is just annoing that last (k)ubuntu worked fine. SUSE 10.0 worked fine. And then i tryed to update suse and they have removed almoust every wlan drivers so i cant get wlan work. Now im trying with kubuntu and it gives errors too :-/
[08:28] <sanchom> Has anyone has installed Kubutnu over PXE??
[08:28] <am> Fri13: you mean they removed the proprietry wlan drivers :)
[08:29] <Fri13> am: I dont have any idea what to do now. I have removed all extra PCI cards and reseted bios.
[08:29] <am> Fri13: its probably not that, i think it will be trying to push your video card into a resolution it doesn't like or something like that
[08:29] <Fri13> am they removed proprietry drivers yes, but ASUS drivers are OSS :-)
[08:29] <am> but i can't be 100% sure
[08:29] <Fri13> am, mayby i should try that text install.
[08:30] <am> Fri13: really ? why did they remove oss drivers ?
[08:30] <am> afaik they only removed proprietry ones
[08:30] <am> there would be no reason to remove OSS drivers
[08:30] <Fri13> am: i dont have any idea. I asked from them that why any rt2570 cards aren't supported and no one didnt know.
[08:30] <Fri13> even 2570 drivers are oss.
[08:30] <am> hang on i'll try and find out
[08:31] <Fri13> and that's my reason why im gonna dump suse right now :-D
[08:31] <am> Fri13: fool they have been replaced by better drivers :)
[08:33] <Fri13> am: well... at least i cant get my wlan stick even reconize anymore. Not even with ndiswrapper.
[08:33] <Fri13> am. And someone told that the reason for dumping 2570 drivers would be suse's new network program.
[08:34] <am> Fri13: yeh they replaced them with another set of drivers, just trying to find the name
[08:35] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: You can't use (k)networkmanager with ralink wireless cards - dapper has the drivers by default breezy you have to compile the rt2xx0 drivers from sourceforge manually (You have to configure the network in /etc/network/interfaces or not use WPA)
[08:35] <am> Fri13:  rt2x00
[08:36] <Chris_Tucker> where would i find run-mozilla.sh on my system?
[08:37] <Fri13> h3sp4wn: yes, i installed those drivers by manually for breezy. And then i noticed that suse did find card by automatically and now dapper too.
[08:37] <am> Chris_Tucker: why ?
[08:37] <Chris_Tucker> am, because i need to edit it?
[08:37] <Fri13> am so i should set module as rt2x00?
[08:37] <xtacocorex> Chris_Tucker: try locate run_mozilla.sh
[08:37] <am> Fri13: afaik....yes
[08:38] <xtacocorex> Chris_Tucker: that is assuming you have the locate service running
[08:39] <xtacocorex> Chris_Tucker: if it doesn't return anything, than the file isn't in the system of the database for locate hasn't been updated
[08:39] <Fri13> am: you dont know that shouldn't suse still find my wlan by automatic when i plug it in?
[08:40] <jeff_> hey guys
[08:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi guys
[08:40] <Fri13> Hi
[08:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am going to ask you for some help on the network configuration
[08:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i just bought a wireless router, and i had a little troubles is configuring it
[08:40] <jeff_> does anybody know how to stop konqueror from opening .skz and .debs and stuff in kate?
[08:40] <jeff_> Tallia1Kubuntu: yeah
[08:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> jeff_: in kcontrol
[08:40] <jeff_> Tallia1Kubuntu: where in kcontrol?
[08:40] <xtacocorex> Chris_Tucker: i miss typed the command, it should be locate run-mozilla.sh, not the underscore that i had
[08:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> jeff_: search in file associations
[08:41] <am> Fri13: i don't have enough suse experience sorry.
[08:41] <Fri13> jeff_: right click file, select properties and then that little tool icon.
[08:41] <jeff_> ok
[08:41] <Fri13> am: ok. Im gonna try this kubuntu install once more time.
[08:41] <am> Fri13: maybe try yast's hardware installation routine ?
[08:41] <Fri13> am: Suse dont reconize card from there.
[08:41] <jeff_> Tallia1Kubuntu: how do i also add new protocols
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: Have a look at /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes - what wireless card are you using
[08:41] <am> i find it odd that you can't install kubuntu on asystem already running suse
[08:42] <jeff_> Tallia1Kubuntu: so when i click a mms: link it opens the radio stream in xmms or something
[08:42] <Fri13> am: It finds it when i plug it in my logs but it dont know what to do for it.
[08:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ? i just want to ask how in ifconfig i can connect specifying a passwork
[08:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> by now anybody can connect to my network
[08:42] <Fri13> Tallia1Kubuntu: I cant ;-)
[08:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i want to make the network password protected
[08:42] <am> Fri13: really, so if you open up a konsole log in as root
[08:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anybody in my area
[08:42] <am> Fri13: then type ifconfig -a
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: You need to setup wpa on the router
[08:43] <am> does it show up as a device there?
[08:43] <Fri13> am: no
[08:43] <Fri13> :-)
[08:43] <Fri13> Once it showed my card as TV-card... dont know why :-D
[08:43] <am> Fri13: so dmesg picks it up but you can't see it as a device ?
[08:43] <am> hmm
[08:43] <am> do an lsmod and see if the above driver is loaded ?
[08:43] <am> the rt2x00
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kububuntu: Then use wpa_supplicant on the client to connect to it /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes - is the best docs on how to do it from /etc/network/interfaces
[08:43] <Fri13> am: yes. But i have got enought for fighting with suse 10.1.
[08:44] <Fri13> am: ok. i try. Thx
[08:44] <am> Fri13: well it will save you re-installing a distro... :)
[08:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: wait, wpa is for communication encryption
[08:45] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kububuntu: If use wep then anyone can crack it in about ten minutes
[08:45] <HymnToLife> h3sp4wn> really ?
[08:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: i have 4 choices: open system (active), shared key, WPA, WPA-PSK
[08:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> of these which should i get?
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> WPA-PSK
[08:46] <joscha_> WPA-PSK
[08:46] <joscha_> for home-use
[08:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> PSK is for?
[08:46] <joscha_> PreSharedKey
[08:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok, now i have a phrase to introduce, is that the password?
[08:46] <joscha_> Tallia1Kubuntu: yes
[08:47] <joscha_> WPA(2) could also authentificate against a radius-server etc...
[08:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do you remember the name of the linux random password generator? :)
[08:47] <joscha_> /dev/random?
[08:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no, there's a program
[08:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i forgot the name
[08:49] <joscha_> head -c6 /dev/random | uuencode -m - | sed -n '2s/=*$//;2p'
[08:49] <joscha_> should to the trick... no need for a special program
[08:49] <v4l3> hi, italian here?
[08:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: why do i need the supplicant?
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: You won't have uuencode unless you install sharutils
[08:53] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: To deal with the encryption
[08:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> only because wpa-psk need a password, i have to install a daemon??
[08:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: only because wpa-psk need a password, i have to install a daemon??
[08:54] <joscha_> Tallia1Kubuntu: wpa encrypts the hole air-traffic...
[08:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh, i see
[08:54] <mikeroot> good day all
[08:55] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: If you use wep someone can come past and run an automatic program to crack it (don't know the name of one off hand)
[08:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> wasn't that WEP?
[08:55] <ciga> WEP is weak.
[08:56] <joscha_> WEP encypts too, yes, but its very weak.... someone could crack the keys within a few hours and could read all your passwords you send
[08:56] <mikeroot> can anyone help me configure my system for dual monitor using ATI radeon 8550 with 2 Gateway Vivitron 17 monitors attached to the single AGP card?
[08:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh, i see
[08:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> wasn't it the standard though?
[08:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what kind of encryption WEP uses to be so weak? (i made a lots of encryption classes, but i don't know how security protocols are commercially defined ^__^ )
[08:57] <joscha_> Tallia1Kubuntu: unfortunatly most routers comes with wep as their standart encryption-method
[08:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ahah, mine was open system :)
[08:57] <ciga> joscha_: it takes only 3 minutes for experts now.
[08:57] <kbrooks> ciga: takes only what?
[08:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> brake
[08:58] <ciga> kbrooks: to break WEP encryptions
[08:58] <kbrooks> ciga: is it really 3 minutes?
[08:58] <mikeroot> can anyone help me configure my system for dual monitor using ATI radeon 8550 with 2 Gateway Vivitron 17 monitors attached to the single AGP card?
[08:59] <joscha_> i think if you captured enough traffic before the encryption can be done very fast... depends on how much traffic you get
[08:59] <h3sp4wn> airsnort
[08:59] <ciga> kbrooks: yup.
[08:59] <h3sp4wn> is included in ubuntus repos
[08:59] <kbrooks> ciga: what about a firewall?
[08:59] <ciga> kbrooks: see for yourself: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/05/1428250
[09:00] <ciga> kbrooks: we are talking about WEP. :)
[09:00] <Lynoure> ciga: Does require expertise... right software already makes it fast
[09:01] <AzteK> to add my 2cents. wpa_supplicant workes great
[09:01] <Lynoure> Using WEP is like hanging on a sign saying "please don't come here". Keeps accidental network hoppers out but no one who wants to get in...
[09:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: what do you think about this tutorial on the configuration?? http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html
[09:02] <ciga> Lynoure: you need to do a little more then just running some programmes.
[09:02] <kbrooks> Lynoure: how about using WPA?
[09:02] <Lynoure> kbrooks: the way to go, at the moment. But choose a good passphrase.
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: What wireless driver are you using ?
[09:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dunno :)
[09:03] <joscha_> Tallia1Kubuntu: what do you want to do? if you use dapper you could use NetworkManager to connect to your router
[09:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what do you mean by driver?
[09:03] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: which interface is the wireless one ?
[09:03] <kbrooks> Lynoure: is it like putting up a sign saying "watch out! infinite hill head!"
[09:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes, i use dapper
[09:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> eth1
[09:03] <AzteK> kbrooks: each wpa key needs to be tryed 4096 so thats takes a hell lott longer
[09:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dunno why, before it was ETH on eth0 and WLAN on eth1
[09:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> now EtH is moved on eth2 ....... boh!!
[09:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[09:04] <AzteK> kbrooks: sow if your passphrase is like 32 or 64 characters long your pretty save :)
[09:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> AzteK: like "this is the most secret passphrase you could ever choose"
[09:05] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: pastebin the ouput of lspci | grep Ethernet
[09:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 000:02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401 100Base-T (rev 01)
[09:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> only one line :)
[09:06] <AzteK> Tallia1Kubuntu: yeah although i should include a few numbers
[09:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[09:06] <AzteK> Tallia1Kubuntu: but that's what i do i use quotes
[09:06] <AzteK> Tallia1Kubuntu: they are easy to remember and there are a lott of them
[09:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[09:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: ? so ?
[09:07] <Lynoure> I'm a bit lazy, so I just use random stuff :)
[09:07] <Lynoure> No need to remember a WPA passphrase
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: dmesg | grep eth1
[09:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: tells only no IPv6 routers present
[09:08] <AzteK> Lynoure: yeah normaly that's the case but i have a lott of friends coming over all the time and this way it's easier to give them my wpa key
[09:09] <Lynoure> AzteK: If I have friends over, I just hand them a cd to take it from
[09:09] <AzteK> Lynoure: yeah its works either way
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: Looks thought the output of dmesg | less - and find out the manufacturer of eth1 (the broadcom one is an normal ethernet card)
[09:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh, it's intel
[09:11] <Yon_0> hey all
[09:11] <noteventime> 'ello
[09:11] <AzteK> hey
[09:12] <Yon_0> does anyone know of a program that can query SQL server and then print?
[09:12] <DennisNuel> is it normal to get lockup problems with propritary nvidia drivers in kubuntu flight7
[09:12] <noteventime> Yon_0, The mysql command line thingy?
[09:12] <noteventime> The one you get when installing  mysql
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: http://pastebin.com/717387 modify /etc/network/interfaces to be similar to that
[09:13] <ciga> Yon_0: or maybe mysql-admin
[09:14] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: then ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1 (If its all setup on the router properly then you will be ok)
[09:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: what about the wpa_supplicant??
[09:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> don't i need that anymore?
[09:15] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: As specified in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes - thats the new way of doing it
[09:15] <Yon_0> noteventime, i'm setting it up on a computer where the users dont know how to use the query command...
[09:15] <noteventime> Yon_O, phpmyadmin?
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: You still are using wpa_supplicant just you don't have to write the config file directly
[09:16] <noteventime> network-manager (knetworkmanager) - for all your networking needs
[09:16] <Yon_0> noteventime, I need a program to retrieve data according to an input like date, then be able to print it out
[09:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: what about the daemon? do i need to start it?
[09:17] <noteventime> Yon_0, If you don't mind using the browser and have access to the database server you can use
[09:17] <noteventime> phpmyadmin
[09:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in this way i don't need the two config files that i showed in the tutorial before? both of them?
[09:18] <Yon_0> ok, what is phpmyadmin?
[09:18] <noteventime> YOu need a webserver, but it's a very nice web interface
[09:26] <syke> wow
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: The tutorial is based on the output of the manual page for wpa_supplicant which hasn't been updated in ubuntu to take account of the way it works now
[09:26] <syke> can't believe kubuntu dapper has so many bugs that prevent me from using it
[09:26] <syke> will start filing them, but will be trying opensuse in the meantime
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: ifup should start wpa_supplicant automatically
[09:31] <AzteK> syke: what kind of bugs do you got?
[09:31] <syke> all kinds
[09:31] <syke> from typos to things not working
[09:32] <syke> crashes
[09:32] <syke> er
[09:32] <syke> a crash, rather
[09:32] <AzteK> owke
[09:32] <AzteK> ok i mean
[09:32] <AzteK> never had dapper crash on me
[09:32] <AzteK> but i see that i could happen
[09:35] <AzteK> i use dapper at the moment for my day to day work
[09:35] <AzteK> and it works really stable
[09:35] <samuli> Aztek, same here.
[09:36] <AzteK> onetime i had a firefox go down but it was related to flash in a website
[09:36] <samuli> And I've sort of begged it to crash at times :)
[09:36] <AzteK> hehe :) yeah i know what you mean
[09:36] <samuli> but there seems to be a lot of people who can't get to gdm after install.
[09:36] <inteliwasp> how do i safely eject a pcmcia card?
[09:37] <AzteK> although i can make it crash like that if I use Xgl
[09:37] <samuli> which is fishy.
[09:37] <AzteK> yeah never had that happen to me
[09:37] <samuli> Aztek, that crashes anything :)
[09:37] <AzteK> yeah but it crashes ow so nicely :)
[09:37] <AzteK> damn it looks good
[09:37] <samuli> I guess.
[09:37] <samuli> doesn't support my card so I couldn't say.
[09:38] <AzteK> ah... what kind of card do you got anyway?
[09:38] <samuli> All i really crave about xgl is the speed anyways.
[09:38] <samuli> radeon 9200SE
[09:38] <nico8481> when i was using totem-xine-firefox-plugin i had firefox crashing almost each time it played a video
[09:39] <AzteK> have you try'd the kororaa live cd?
[09:39] <nico8481> removed it since, i can't play videos anymore but at least it doesn't crash anymore :)
[09:39] <samuli> I couldn't be buggered really.
[09:39] <AzteK> yeah those firefox-plugin's can really mess up your day
[09:39] <nico8481> and it wasn't even really playing the videos, just displayed the first few frames then stopped
[09:39] <samuli> I've tried lot's of distros lately and nothing I like more than kubuntu/ubuntu
[09:39] <DennisNuel> is it normal to get lockup problems with propritary nvidia drivers in kubuntu flight7
[09:40] <AzteK> really like the button that minimize's all your screen into small windows and then you can click one and that one goes to the front
[09:40] <AzteK> works really well
[09:40] <AzteK> yeah me too
[09:40] <AzteK> the kororaa livecd is more of a demo of the Xgl system
[09:40] <samuli> nothing but mepis comes even close, and mepis is essentialy same as kubuntu.
[09:40] <AzteK> that's why i asked
[09:40] <samuli> even same repositories.
[09:40] <samuli> aztek, o-kay.
[09:41] <samuli> I doubt it would run on my hardware, but out of curiosity, I might try that out later.
[09:42] <samuli> By the way, I used to have hard times about firefox plugins in breezy, but since I've upgraded to dapper everything works like a charm.
[09:42] <AzteK> ok it's really light weight
[09:42] <AzteK> i used it on my old laptop it has a nvidia 440 in it
[09:42] <samuli> I don't even need mplayer.. just totem-plugins.
[09:42] <AzteK> and it run's relaly well
[09:42] <paolo_> hello boys
[09:42] <paolo_> I want install mplayer
[09:42] <samuli> Aztek, I'm sure it runs on nvidia.
[09:42] <paolo_> is it possibile in Kubuntu?
[09:43] <samuli> ati is a different beast though.
[09:43] <v4l3> where am i?
[09:43] <samuli> paolo, yeah.
[09:43] <AzteK> jupz i know i have been working on that almost the entire weekend
[09:43] <AzteK> i have ati card in my new laptop
[09:43] <AzteK> it crashed after like 1 minute or so
[09:43] <paolo_> samuli, what can I install mplayer??
[09:43] <paolo_> I have try apt-get install mplayer
[09:44] <samuli> and newer ati's are supposed to be much better though :)
[09:44] <paolo_> but without resoluts
[09:44] <samuli> and add sudo in front
[09:44] <AzteK> seems to be a driver issue but can't get the ati driver from the ati website to install
[09:44] <samuli> mplayer-386 or mplayer-686 me thinks.
[09:44] <paolo_> ok, I try
[09:45] <samuli> Aztek, what does your xorg.conf say?
[09:45] <AzteK> samuli, which part
[09:45] <AzteK> (driver fglrx )
[09:47] <samuli> Aztek. perhaps make a backup of it and then sudo sed -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:47] <samuli> but ok, you probably have the ati replaced with flgrx anyways.
[09:47] <samuli> or fglrx even.
[09:48] <samuli> aztek, is there something with the version from the repos?
[09:48] <declan> hello. does anyone know how to get a trust webcam to work?
[09:48] <AzteK> yeah i can't figure out what's wrong
[09:49] <AzteK> samuli, because i get hard locks
[09:49] <AzteK> samuli, i can't find anything that reports what's going on
[09:49] <samuli> aztek, ok.
[09:49] <AzteK> samuli, anyway i just have to wait i think
[09:49] <samuli> Well, I'm not sure if the drivers from ati directly are any better.
[09:50] <samuli> aztek, yeah.. perhaps update to dapper for one thing.
[09:50] <AzteK> yeah i already run dapper flight 7
[09:51] <samuli> aztek, ok. I got my opengl problems pretty much solved (and there was lot in breezy)
[09:51] <samuli> what I did was (first made sure I had restricted-modules installed) then sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx && sudo sed -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:52] <samuli> and the rebooted. That was it :
[09:52] <AzteK> yeah my opengl runs fine i mean i can run games an everything
[09:52] <samuli> oh, ok.
[09:52] <samuli> Well forget about xgl, compiz, composite and the like.. my advice to you.
[09:52] <samuli> they're not ready.
[09:53] <AzteK> yeah i know especially on in combination with ati although i really like it :)
[09:54] <samuli> it's like running e17 as a wm or dm. It's cool, it's light, and just very appealing. Other than the fact it isn't finished and crashers once in a minute and in the worst case borgs your box.
[09:55] <AzteK> samuli, yeah e17 looks really great
[09:55] <AzteK> if it wasn't so unstable on my machine i would use that at the moment
[09:55] <AzteK> now i just use plain old kde :)
[09:55] <samuli> Can't wait for that to be released.
[09:56] <samuli> and even more so, because I'm not exactly running up-to-date system.
[09:56] <samuli> but from what I gather, it's perhaps never finished.
[09:57] <inteliwasp> how do i safely eject a pcmcia card?
[09:57] <AzteK> i think linux desktop's are improving rapidly these last 6 to 12 months
[09:57] <AzteK> and i really like that they are making the desktop's look nicer
[09:58] <poimen> join #kubuntu-devel
[09:58] <AzteK> makes it look more pro for the general public
[09:59] <MenZa> Wheee
[09:59] <MenZa> I finally printed my Kubuntu stickers
[09:59] <inteliwasp> ayone?
[09:59] <paolo_> Do you know when will exit the stable 6.06 Kubuntu version???
[09:59] <MenZa> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1016173&postcount=35
[10:00] <ciga> anyone with dapper please try this:
[10:00] <ciga> '<bUscher> my konqueror crash when I try to select -> Xgl  Hello NVIDIA's libGL, I require an OpenGL Context for my rendering" <- on http://principe.homelinux.net/ via doubleclick, kde 3.5.2 gentoo'
[10:00] <ciga> konqueror crashes for me also.
[10:01] <paolo_> boys???
[10:02] <paolo_> When will exit the 6.06 Kubuntu version??
[10:03] <samuli> AzteK: It looks a lot better than windows as it is, and not so many people actually care about that.
[10:03] <_rodney> is there updated eagle stuff yet that works ?
[10:03] <kbrooks> paolo_: june 1
[10:03] <kbrooks> !kubuntu
[10:03] <ubotu> rumour has it, kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE  ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[10:04] <kbrooks> !dapper
[10:04] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support :)
[10:04] <kbrooks> oh, this
[10:04] <paolo_> Tje first of june??
[10:04] <AzteK> yeah it's not like people will throw away there games/apps because of that the nice looking desktop
[10:04] <paolo_> wery well
[10:05] <paolo_> But, why for install a programm I must download from internet?
[10:05] <AzteK> but i still think it's very important to have a nice looking desktop to show of distro
[10:05] <paolo_> With other LINUX usualy I have 3CD
[10:05] <AzteK> it all depends on the person anyway
[10:06] <samuli> Aztek, or just for the basic usability. While there's a lot of things in current distros that work better and more intuitive than in windows, there's still a lot more that just doesn't.
[10:06] <samuli> Not without extensive tweaking anyways.
[10:06] <samuli> Yeah, I'm sort of talking about the 'general public'
[10:07] <AzteK> jupz
[10:07] <AzteK> i know what you mean what i really would like ( and where getting close i think ) is that if i install a distro all the links and program's in shows in the menu actually work
[10:08] <AzteK> and that every program windows come's standard with is at least matched
[10:08] <AzteK> so that it just works
[10:08] <munzir> goldenear: hi ;)
[10:08] <samuli> Distro needs to do everything windows does and more to be succesful.
[10:09] <AzteK> jupz although i would settle for the same at the moment
[10:09] <AzteK> functionality wise that is
[10:09] <samuli> because things like streaming video in firefox are what people like, and if you can't easily push 'install needed plug-ins' they just turn away.
[10:09] <AzteK> jupz very true
[10:09] <AzteK> also not spending hour's getting wpa setup would also be nice
[10:10] <samuli> yeah.
[10:10] <munzir> goldenear: I am installing your nice twinkle package and would like to test it
[10:10] <samuli> or 2 days to get screensaver not to crash.
[10:10] <samuli> (when it hits one the opengl ones)
[10:11] <AzteK> jupz had that before now i only have 2 opengl one's in my list ( there those from reallyslick.com )
[10:11] <samuli> to me, they could just be direct rendered and ugly.. or just blank screen.. not many people care about that that much really.
[10:11] <AzteK> jupz
[10:11] <AzteK> blank screen would be good
[10:11] <AzteK> but i now use the hyperspace one
[10:11] <AzteK> and it make's alott of people ask me what it is
[10:12] <AzteK> then i am like it's ubuntu which is really nice you can give it a try with a live cd etc etc
[10:12] <samuli> I use blankscreen.. not because I have to, but just to be sure it doesn't crash. (it did that way too often in breezy)
[10:12] <AzteK> ( but only if they seem intrested enough i don't want to come over like a linux zealot )
[10:12] <samuli> hehe :)
[10:12] <AzteK> like you have to use it you have to that just scares people away
[10:13] <samuli> my friends come up here and browse the internet like there's no difference.
[10:13] <samuli> nobody seems to care much :)
[10:13] <AzteK> my former employer used to do that sometime's even i would feel like not using linux anymore sooooo scary :)
[10:13] <AzteK> jupz
[10:14] <AzteK> and i really like to use that angle that people don't care as long as it works
[10:16] <samuli> Funny thing is that to me why not tolerating windows has a lot do with the ease of use really.
[10:16] <samuli> I just don't like it anymore and the way it looks is just eye-sore :)
[10:17] <samuli> but when I started experimenting with linux it wasn't like that at all.. Feeling clueless isn't nice.
[10:17] <_rodney> as if kde and xp looko that much different......
[10:17] <AzteK> i can work we'll with both and i see a lott of good things in windows ( i might get kicked and banned for saying someting like this )
[10:17] <samuli> rodney, They do actually. (although I still prefer gnome)
[10:18] <samuli> rodney, kde is just a lot more polished, sort of like I imagine vista will be like.
[10:18] <_rodney> the prob with windows is yer locked out of yer own computer if you install it....
[10:18] <AzteK> espescially linux should have a mode where it hides strange error's
[10:18] <AzteK> _rodney, why?
[10:18] <_rodney> closed source ?
[10:18] <AzteK> yeah sow a lott of people use that as a argument
[10:18] <samuli> some basic things in windows are just lacking.. like file systems for example.
[10:19] <_rodney> they dont need support others tho ?
[10:19] <_rodney> if you use windows you dont need resier support...yada
[10:19] <samuli> ever gone from a linux distribution to windows and hear how much your harddrive is working.. It's almost brutal.
[10:19] <samuli> and other thing is that the drives fragment.
[10:20] <AzteK> yeah but those are all minor things i think
[10:20] <_rodney> well
[10:20] <AzteK> like the reiserfs thing
[10:20] <samuli> something that doesn't happen in linux, and while ntfs is better fat32 is PRONE to errors.
[10:20] <AzteK> yeah luckely i come's almost default with ntfs but still i know what you mean
[10:20] <_rodney> well thats how they like it ;)
[10:20] <AzteK> i can get ext3 on my windows
[10:21] <AzteK> it's really easy i use it through total commander
[10:21] <samuli> well it's not nice to do chkdsk every time your windows crasches.
[10:21] <_rodney> lol
[10:21] <AzteK> yeah but's thats the same if you use ext2
[10:21] <imran_> noobie question: I have widescreen.. kubuntu just stretches out everything so rather than giving me more room with everything normal size, everything is fat.. any setting I can change??
[10:21] <cvasilak> hello there, how can i disable ipv6 from loading at boot i am using dapper drake
[10:21] <frepe> Is there an irc channel for pygtk GUI development?
[10:21] <samuli> aztek, well.. there isn't any reason to use ext2 is there? :)
[10:21] <robotgeek> frepe: on irc.gnome.org
[10:21] <AzteK> yeah i know
[10:21] <frepe> robotgeek: Thanks.
[10:22] <robotgeek> frepe: #pygtk, there.
[10:22] <AzteK> but to make a statement it's like the change rate of fs in window's isn't that fast
[10:22] <_rodney> theres no question modern linux distros are much better than windows alreadyy... have been for some years
[10:22] <_rodney> even for noob users....
[10:22] <frepe> robotgeek: Thanks again! :)
[10:22] <AzteK> it's not like they don't know there like damn we don't have a journaling filesystem in our desktop
[10:22] <samuli> but my point is still valid whatever you think of the file systems. Some basic things are done better in linux than in windows.
[10:22] <_rodney> most*
[10:23] <AzteK> _rodney i am sorry but i totally disagree there isn't a linux distro out there at the moment the can match what the general public want's
[10:23] <samuli> aztek, yeah they don't. but it's someting you can tell them. "You don't need to worry about crashing your file system anymore"
[10:23] <_rodney> lol?
[10:23] <_rodney> seriously ? AzteK  ?
[10:23] <AzteK> samuli, owyeah i totally agree and i still hope linux will come out on top
[10:24] <_rodney> sitting in kubuntu channel lol ?
[10:24] <samuli> have you never missed some windows dll's because windows crashed and HD was just reading that part of the system?
[10:24] <_rodney> prolly
[10:24] <AzteK> _rodney, yeah seriously i am not kidding you
[10:24] <imran_> any widescreen users?
[10:24] <AzteK> yeah only in windows 98
[10:24] <samuli> what you get is error messages and perhaps not a booting system at all.
[10:24] <AzteK> never in windows xp
[10:24] <_rodney> well i cant understand your reasoning...
[10:25] <_rodney> xp can be bad heh
[10:25] <AzteK> _rodney, so i insert my ubuntu cd i boot up and i have to walk over to my other laptop to check the website how to get wpa working
[10:25] <_rodney> try  it without drivers/inet....
[10:26] <_rodney> well ....
[10:26] <AzteK> ok i can just use a cable to begin with but on my windows install it workes out of the box
[10:26] <_rodney> you have to read for some stuff ?
[10:26] <AzteK> it's a small thing ofcourse
[10:26] <_rodney> oh
[10:26] <AzteK> yeah wpa isn't built in the networking menu
[10:26] <samuli> _rodney, people don't generally like to read up. They just like to use what they got.
[10:27] <AzteK> again i don't mind checking out how wpa_supplicant works because i actually like learning
[10:27] <AzteK> but's thats just me/us
[10:27] <samuli> but general public isn't fair in some ways either. There's lots of extensive courses to use and maintain windows and all that.
[10:27] <samuli> but nobody seems to be interested to learn linux to the same extent.
[10:27] <_rodney> true
[10:27] <AzteK> most people want a simple screen that the can click on and it works
[10:27] <AzteK> jupz
[10:27] <_rodney> dont you @?
[10:27] <_rodney> lol
[10:27] <_rodney> i do
[10:27] <samuli> so.. they come and say it's not good, because it doesn't behave like windows.
[10:28] <_rodney> if i want to think i can click on a shel...
[10:28] <_rodney> theres only small hardware stuff like wpa etc..
[10:28] <_rodney> most is click to go after install now...
[10:28] <rnunes> hi
[10:28] <AzteK> webcam's for the lady's?
[10:28] <_rodney> well i dont know ....
[10:29] <samuli> installation might not be the bad thing.
[10:29] <_rodney> not sorted ?
[10:29] <samuli> althought gparted is borged in flight 7 and that's not a good thing.
[10:29] <rnunes> there's someone who can tell me how can i do to add\remove programs in kubunto v5.0?
[10:29] <rnunes> please
[10:29] <_rodney> adept / no kde menu
[10:30] <AzteK> i know a lott of girls that only chat and type homework/projects that would switch if they only could do that
[10:30] <_rodney> system / Package Manager (adept)
[10:30] <samuli> rnunes, have you tried the add/remove programs? :)
[10:30] <AzteK> they don't play games and get pissed if there ie breaks again or they get a virus that eat's up there homework
[10:30] <_rodney> for adding/removing progs
[10:31] <AzteK> they switch if the desktop is just a little bit better
[10:31] <rnunes> i can't find it
[10:31] <samuli> rnunes, adept is better yeah, but it might take a while to understand the whole package thing. (It's worth it though)
[10:31] <rnunes> i'm install this on last thurd
[10:32] <rnunes> and i don't understand this
[10:32] <samuli> rnunes, you mean you're not thru with the install?
[10:32] <rnunes> i don't know
[10:32] <samuli> just wait and reboot to the actual installed system.
[10:32] <_toni> german?
[10:32] <rnunes> if have installed the kubuntu
[10:32] <rnunes> there's something else?
[10:33] <samuli> rnunes, yeah. you can add programs as you like.
[10:33] <rnunes> how?
[10:33] <rnunes> i do't know
[10:33] <Kissaki> evning
[10:33] <_rodney> just type adept in a shell ?
[10:33] <_toni> is her a german guy?
[10:34] <AzteK> anyway's it's just as it is wit everything in this world if you have the general public on your side your golden
[10:34] <_rodney> if you cant find it on the kde menu thing
[10:34] <rnunes> someone told me that ther was some link in the Kmenu but i can't find it
[10:34] <samuli> rnunes, I'm not in the kubuntu right now, but from memory -< 'K'-menu, administration --> adept
[10:34] <samuli> rnunes, it should be in the same place where's on in windows.
[10:34] <AzteK> rnunes, are you in console or in like a nice grafical window?
[10:35] <rnunes> nice graphical windowsa
[10:35] <AzteK> rnuses, ok
[10:35] <AzteK> hi Kissaki
[10:36] <AzteK> sorry, missed you on intial entry :P
[10:36] <_toni> mah bist du noch da?
[10:36] <samuli> I'm gonna log in to the kde for fun.
[10:37] <Negrita> _toni try #kubuntu-de
[10:38] <mah> Hm. :)
[10:40] <Negrita> rnunes the correct path to Adept is K menu > System > package Manager (Adept)
[10:42] <Samuli^> funny thing is that.. I didn't remember I don't have kde installed,
[10:43] <rnunes> and what do i do next to instaall some program?
[10:45] <Negrita> go through the list of programs and choose one you want. Click on Install Program and then at the top click on commit Changes
[10:47] <rnunes> yes but and the download programs? i do i do it
[10:48] <Negrita> Adept will download the program for you from the repository together with all it's dependencies and install the for you.
[10:49] <Negrita> And guess what ---  you won't have to restart your compuetr afterwards like with windows :-)
[10:50] <rnunes> :)
[10:51] <rnunes> so if i want to install a new download program how shoud i proceed?
[10:52] <raf> hello all, if I type this -> "apt-get update", does it install the updates or just download the updates?
[10:53] <Negrita> rnunes if you know the name of the program, you could type it's name in the Adept search bar
[10:53] <raf> I question that because after "apt-get update" my Kubuntu looks different, other icons, more icons in system tray, my trashcan icon looks smaller
[10:54] <kettenschutz> hey there
[10:54] <kettenschutz> how to stop the X-Server here to install the nvidia driver
[10:55] <apokryphos> kettenschutz: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[10:57] <NICO-S> Bonsoir.
[10:58] <NICO-S> Hi everyone !
[10:58] <NICO-S> Someone here ?
[10:58] <raf> hello all, if I type this -> "apt-get update", does it install the updates or just download the updates?
[10:58] <raf> I question that because after "apt-get update" my Kubuntu looks different, other icons, more icons in system tray, my trashcan icon looks smaller
[10:59] <NICO-S> Someone can help me with the ATI Driver installation plz ?
[11:00] <NICO-S> dunno raf ^^ Sorry.
[11:00] <raf> NICO-S: np
[11:01] <raf> how can I know if a package is fully upgraded? or if it's the last version?
[11:02] <NICO-S> try 'Adept' i think.
[11:02] <apokryphos> raf: dpkg -l|grep packagename
[11:12] <slow-motion> n8
[11:12] <bessonovs> it work
[11:12] <bessonovs> people, it
[11:13] <bessonovs> work
[11:13] <_patrick> Guys I need to edit my sources.list to get my package manager working again. What directory should that be. I did a search, but haven't found it yet.
[11:16] <ahmeni> _patrick: /etc/apt
[11:16] <AzteK> _patrick, you mean the file sources.list?
[11:17] <raf> apokryphos: thanks
[11:18] <raf> well, what if I try to remoev a package and "apt-get remove package_name" doesn't work?
[11:18] <raf> it returns this ->/var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.prerm: line 12: db_get: command not found
[11:19] <raf> dpkg: error processing phpmyadmin (--remove):
[11:19] <raf>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127
[11:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[11:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am having huge lags in the connection using WIFI...
[11:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am having 5s of lag in freenode by now,....... :(
[11:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have a D-Link router.. do you have any idea on how to speed up?
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> which model ?
[11:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[11:20] <_patrick> Yes. I'm trying to find exactly that file to find out what to edit.
[11:20] <Fri13> Tallia1Kubuntu: I have sometimes over 5min lag but it's only for freenode server. Channel lag is few hundred ms.
[11:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> DI-624+
[11:21] <ahmeni> raf: weird, db_get seems to be a part of the package localization-config, reinstalling that might help
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> even pinging a friend of mine i got 2s of lag
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> speaking in skype was impossible
[11:21] <_patrick> Should I use the file finder to search for it our Konqueror
[11:21] <Fri13> Tallia1Kubuntu: have you pinged your router?
[11:21] <raf> ahmeni: apt-get doesn't allow me to reinstall
[11:21] <ahmeni> _patrick: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 2.29 ms
[11:22] <_patrick> Yes, it got corrupted and the package manager can't open because of it.
[11:22] <Fri13> Tallia1Kubuntu: then if you get few ms to router, it should not be up to you that lag.
[11:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Fri13: do you have any idea? it seems pinging the router is fast
[11:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> wait... i have a DSL modem after the router
[11:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> could be that one?
[11:23] <ahmeni> _patrick: there's a backup located in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: Is wpa working ?
[11:24] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: Try a upgrading the router firmware to the latest version
[11:24] <_patrick> OK I'll write that one down.
[11:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> wpa?
[11:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ah, no
[11:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it didn't
[11:24] <ahmeni> raf: ack, you could try grabbing the .deb by hand and using dpkg -i to install it
[11:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i dunno why, and i can't do tons of tries since to reset the router i have to go in my neihgbour place
[11:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> by now i will just use WEP
[11:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it's only to keep people out
[11:25] <_patrick> How do I enable the backup to take its place.
[11:26] <raf> ahmeni: well, thanks
[11:26] <_patrick> Can I use terminal and put that new backup in place.
[11:27] <ahmeni> _patrick: you could, but that file looks like it's missing a lot that the normal config would have
[11:28] <_patrick> OK.
[11:29] <raf> when I type "dpkg -l" it shows a list of packages and its status, but, what means the two letters  in the first column? ii, rc, ri
[11:29] <_patrick> I will look for the etc/apt/sources.list. What would be the easiest way to find it and edit it correctly.
[11:31] <ahmeni> _patrick: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:31] <ahmeni> in a terminal or with KDE's run command
[11:32] <_patrick> After I find it, how best to edit it.
[11:35] <Fri13> I have now tryed to install kubuntu my system. I have done everything about hardware (taking off every PCI card/usb device) and trying use noacpi commands and readed those infos. Trying to do server install and checked MD5sum of image, and checked media. If i use that no acpi command for install, it gives "kernel panic" but if i dont use it. It just hangs to boot when loading kernel. Live mode still works like charm (now using it) and i cant find any 
[11:35] <Fri13> ew beta installer from live crash.
[11:37] <Fri13> And if i try debian-installer/probe/usb=false it starts saying that usb device answer to rebound and it just count numbers up so long that i only let it do it.
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: You could try doing a debootstrap install
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> !debootstrap
[11:40] <Fri13> h3sp4wn: and how i do that?
[11:41] <_patrick> No luck finding it ahmeni. I'm trying. Terminal doesn't bring up the sources.list file.
[11:43] <MasterEvilAce> hey, few questions about kubuntu. I have good experience with linux, but i'm no expert. I've used a few linux distros, most recently SuSE. It's awesome. Looking to try out kubuntu, though. If i download 6.06, will it be easy to upgrade when the full version comes out (in june? and when in june is that expected?) also, any problems with installing on a laptop? Dell Inspiron 8000, and is there an FTP install option?
[11:44] <apokryphos> MasterEvilAce: upgrading to full version is one command, and it's expected early June (current date is June 1st)
[11:44] <apokryphos> it should install and run just fine on a laptop yup =)
[11:44] <apokryphos> there isn't really a net install supported, but it is possible. /msg ubotu install
[11:45] <apokryphos> the LiveCD has an installer though, which is very nice
[11:45] <MasterEvilAce> easy upgrade? awesome. also, is the software pretty up to date, also? SuSE's official sources were a bit lagged behind at times
[11:46] <MasterEvilAce> notably firefox 1.5 was out for awhile but they still had 1.0.3
[11:47] <Fri13> is there any command to get reposity lists?
[11:47] <Fri13> i need find a multiverse reposity
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> MasterEvilAce: If you know what you are doing try the netboot image http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[11:48] <MasterEvilAce> thanks
[11:49] <Fri13> h3sp4wn: how i do that 'debootstrap install' ?
[11:57] <kbrooks> can i talk about linux and windows?
[11:58] <kbrooks> fixed the topic
[11:59] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: Boot in the live cd ; aptitude install debootstrap; partition manually (or use the suse ones); read the debootstrap man page (The instructions on a 32 bit chroot on amd 64 will help you) - But only try it if really your other options definately don't work
[12:00] <Fri13> h3sp4wn: ok, i will try that tommorrow if it is only way.... Good night!