[12:03] <mdke> also you should use more formatting. So use <filename> for filenames, <application> for application names, and <emphasis> where you want to emphasise something
[12:04] <Bluekuja> ok, great
[12:04] <Bluekuja> let me fix
[12:04] <mdke> is this a test doc or did you have something particular in mind for it?
[12:05] <Bluekuja> well it started to be a test doc, but i'm thinking to make it official
[12:05] <mdke> what did you have in mind?
[12:06] <Bluekuja> well, i was thinking to add in other related docs like "irc server how to" etc
[12:06] <Bluekuja> that i've made
[12:06] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: have you seen http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html ?
[12:07] <Bluekuja> well, no this is the first time
[12:08] <Bluekuja> there is already a ftpserver part but there arent a lot of informations about it
[12:08] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: what do you think?
[12:08] <Bluekuja> mdke: and you?
[12:08] <LaserJock> you should probably start by trying to add to the existing docs, sending patches to the mailing list
[12:09] <mdke> Bluekuja: if you are thinking about adding documents to the distribution, you need to aim at incoroporating them with the existing structure of documents
[12:09] <mdke> individual howtos we generally keep for the wiki
[12:09] <Bluekuja> LaserJock,mdke: yeah, a nice idea would be to add the doc i made inside the server guide
[12:11] <mdke> Bluekuja: you'd have to work with the existing ftp material, which uses different software
[12:11] <Bluekuja> well yes, what about making two different parts, one with vsftpd and another one with pure-ftpd
[12:11] <Bluekuja> two related things
[12:11] <Bluekuja> it would be possible?
[12:11] <mdke> Bluekuja: that is generally something we avoid. Especially because pure-ftpd is not in the main repository
[12:12] <mdke> we like using supported stuff, for the server guide
[12:12] <Bluekuja> i see that there isnt an irc server guide inside it
[12:12] <mdke> that's true.
[12:12] <Bluekuja> what about it?
[12:13] <mdke> I don't know, it doesn't seem like a very common activity for server admins
[12:13] <mdke> it might be a better howto for the wiki
[12:13] <Bluekuja> yeah, i've already made it in the wiki
[12:14] <mdke> ah, nice
[12:14] <Taim> So would it be safe to say it's best covered if it's part of a LAMP install and it resides in the main repository?
[12:14] <mdke> Taim: what do you have in mind?
[12:15] <Taim> Really, I am just getting a feel for how it all works.
[12:15] <mdke> Taim: reading the docs we've done so far is a good way in. Is there something missing from the server guide you feel?
[12:15] <mdke> something in particular
[12:15] <Taim> No, not particularly.
[12:16] <Taim> I haven't had a chance to fully read the docs.
[12:16] <mdke> Bluekuja: the other thing we need to talk about is style
[12:16] <Bluekuja> mdke: yes
[12:16] <Bluekuja> mdke: tell me more about it
[12:16] <mdke> Bluekuja: have you seen our styleguide?
[12:16] <mdke> it's very important that you read that and get familiar with it
[12:17] <mdke> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/styleguide/en/index.html
[12:17] <Taim> I see from the status that some help is being requested for the firewall configuration portion.  I am considering digging into that some.
[12:18] <Bluekuja> mdke: ok, i take a look at it
[12:18] <mdke> Taim: ah, I think that was dealt with, the status thing might not be completely up to date. We sort of had to fill in all the blanks to get things ready for release
[12:18] <Taim> gotcha.
[12:18] <mdke> Taim: however, that's not to say it doesn't need improving for the next release :D
[12:18] <Taim> True, true.
[12:18] <mdke> especially cos it was done in a bit of a rush
[12:19] <Taim> I wasn't really concerned to much about the upcoming release, I kinda figured it would be pretty close to finished by now.
[12:19] <mdke> yeah, we froze it a while back to allow translation to start
[12:20] <Taim> ah.
[12:24] <Taim> So where does one track release schedules besides the respective mailing list (if one exists)?
[12:24] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[12:25] <Taim> Cool.
[12:32] <Taim> So, digging around in all the wiki pages, reviewing the mailing list and generally hovering are a good method for getting up to speed on how documentation works?  Anything else I should be looking at?
[12:34] <mdke> Taim: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam has lots of good explanations of stuff. And just ask in here if you have *any* questions
[12:34] <Taim> That's where a good portion of my time has been spent.
[12:35] <mdke> ah cool
[12:35] <mdke> Taim: things are a little quiet here at the moment due to having got one set of docs out the door, and we need to start planning for what to do with the next release cycle now
[12:35] <Taim> No real questions yet other than what might need to be done.  Seeing as you are in a freeze, I am just hoping now is a good time to get caught up.
[12:36] <Taim> understandable :)
[12:38] <Taim> What tools do you find best to use for writing docs?
[12:39] <Bluekuja> Taim: gedit
[12:39] <LaserJock> vim, yelp, and firefox ;-)
[12:40] <mdke> it's all about gedit
[12:40] <Bluekuja> mdke: :D
[12:40] <Taim> hehe.  Sorry, didn't mean to start the typical editor wars :)
[12:40] <Bluekuja> Taim: lol :)
[12:40] <Taim> I waver between gedit and vim.  
[12:41] <Taim> gedit's simple and clean, but vi is great for repetitive work.
[12:41] <Taim> and between the two, I don't want to hear about emacs.
[12:45] <LaserJock> there are a few emacs lovers around ;-)
[12:45] <LaserJock> I haven't edited in X enough to use gedit much though
[12:47] <Taim> I am stuck flipping between.  Mostly at work I am stuck with vi.
[12:47] <mdke> that's not so bad
[12:47] <mdke> lots are stuck with notepad :)
[12:47] <Taim> when at home, I tend to like gedit.  But that came from a love for nedit.
[12:48] <Taim> True, and I do use that as well...that and....<_<....>_>......office.
[12:48] <mdke> ouch
[12:48] <Taim> Most of our documentation is written in word, uploaded to the slowest repository known to man.
[12:48] <mdke> what do you do?
[12:49] <mdke> i tried searching the internet but found that you were a mythical character
[12:49] <Taim> AIX/Solaris support for a rather large financial company.
[12:49] <mdke> cool
[12:49] <Taim> I generally avoid posting more than techincal questions.
[12:50] <Taim> You will probably find a bit from m0n0wall archives, slashdot and some other stuff.
[12:50] <mdke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazrim_Taim
[12:50] <Taim> Yeap.  It was a much better choice than "Mandarb"
[12:51] <Taim> I am/was a huge Robert Jordan fan.
[12:51] <Taim> My real name is Tim, so it just kinda fit.
[12:51] <mdke> pleased to meet you Tim
[12:51] <Taim> and you.
[12:52] <LaserJock> hi Tim
[12:52] <Taim> Hello.
[12:52] <Taim> forgive me if I don't know your names :)  I generally have a hard time associating real/nick anymore.
[12:53] <Taim> Hello Jordan.  Nice to meet you.
[12:53] <mdke> a /whois generally does it
[12:54] <crimsun> robert jordan needs to be shot for allowing WoT to drag on and on and on...
[12:54] <Taim> He is suffering for it now.
[12:55] <crimsun> yeah, he has built up a readership that will cut his throat
[12:55] <LaserJock> WoT?
[12:55] <Taim> http://www.tor.com/jordan/
[12:55] <Taim> read the announcement
[12:55] <Taim> Wheel of Time.
[12:56] <Taim> Hello, Mat.  I don't use my real name in the "real name" field.
[12:57] <Taim> I probably should.  I just left it that way from WAY back when.
[12:57] <crimsun> yeah, we use our real names for easier identification in the Ubuntu developer community.
[12:57] <Taim> Makes sense.
[12:57] <mdke> either that, or LP needs to add searching on irc nick
[12:59] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah, the people searching isn't so good right now
[12:59] <Taim> Well...I can fix that.
[12:59] <Taim> let's see...
[01:02] <Taim> So how long have folks been documenting with Ubuntu?
[01:02] <LaserJock> ok, I'm off for a while, gotta take the inlaws shopping ;-)
[01:03] <LaserJock> Taim: since about Nov for me
[01:03] <Taim> later.
[01:03] <mdke> Taim: march or so last year
[01:03] <Taim> cool
[01:04] <Burgundavia> Taim: dec 2004 for myself
[01:04] <mdke> Taim: Burgundavia is our veteran ideas-man
[01:09] <Taim> Ah
[01:10] <Taim> Hello Burgundavia
[01:16] <Burgundavia> hey Taim
[01:16] <Burgundavia> mdke: that reminds me. we should revisit my png in svg in docbook idea for edgy
[01:17] <mdke> Burgundavia: I don't think I've heard that one
[01:28] <Taim> bbl.  Food is calling.
[01:28] <Taim> Thanks for the info!
[01:42] <rob> mdke still around?
[01:43] <mdke> rob: yes
[01:43] <rob> has planning started for edgy yet?
[01:43] <rob> or are we waiting to see what happens with the book?
[01:44] <mdke> i dunno
[01:44] <mdke> no harm in ideas
[01:44] <rob> I guess its kind of hard anyway considering all the new things that will be bought in for it
[01:45] <rob> I might keep hacking away at the online editor for the time being
[01:46] <mdke> ok
[01:51] <Burgundavia> mdke: you embed a screenshot in an svg, in order to annotate the screenshot, while still allowing translations
[01:53] <mdke> sounds crazy
[01:55] <Burgundavia> mdke: it sort of works in yelp, there were some rendering issues back in dec 2004
[01:56] <Burgundavia> haven't looked at it since
[03:41] <jjesse> mdke: i made some changes to kubuntu release notes and i don't see them up on doc.ubuntu.com can you update things?
[05:46] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia 
[05:48] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot 
[06:29] <jsgotangco> yo!
[06:29] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco 
[06:29] <jsgotangco> hey dude
[06:36] <jsgotangco> pretty quiet on all channels on a saturday/sunday huh
[06:46] <Madpilot> fairly quiet - #ubuntu is active but not really busy...
[06:59] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco 
[06:59] <jsgotangco> hi
[07:05] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: how's it going?
[07:07] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, not bad. Having a major moral dilemma with regards to the whole Canonical hiring thing
[07:08] <Burgundavia> I am starting to enjoy my job, but truly think I need to follow my heart
[07:08] <jsgotangco> lol why not wait for a posting to happen before making a decision, after all its just 3 positions posted at the moment
[07:08] <Burgundavia> http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=27 <-- hmm
[07:08] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I am going to write my own job description, if I can
[07:09] <Burgundavia> mark did say they were looking fro sales/marketing people
[07:10] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you have lots to offer, don't say that
[07:10] <jsgotangco> just skimmed over the article, smart would be nice add-on but most people will think it'll allow cross installation between formats which isn't
[07:10] <jsgotangco> autopackage rates 0
[07:10] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:11] <Burgundavia> smart can offer that functionality, if somebody codes it
[07:11] <Burgundavia> I think the best thing about smart is that it offers the ability to switch out the backend without too much pain for the end user
[07:11] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:12] <jsgotangco> hmm for some reason, his write up reminds me of the two towers heh
[07:13] <Burgundavia> back to that article, I like his idea, but I think it would be taken as "ubuntu taking over debian"
[07:14] <jsgotangco> right, as much as Digium is literally Asterisk
[07:15] <Burgundavia> we have an asterix box at work
[07:16] <jsgotangco> that is fun
[07:16] <Burgundavia> not exactly the worlds most stable, but I have no comparison of equiv closed source systems
[07:16] <jsgotangco> there is no comparison to speak of really, flexibility is one thing that closed systems can't match
[07:17] <jsgotangco> the only thing that lacks is an IVR that can be configured graphically
[07:17] <Burgundavia> hence the VB you were writing
[07:17] <jsgotangco> yep its painful
[07:18] <jsgotangco> i wonder if i can replicate something in gambas
[07:18] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: even Asterisk@home is a shock for most people installing it
[07:19] <jsgotangco> there's also Bayonne but its more suited for IVR, haven't really checked on it
[07:21] <jsgotangco> when i entered into telecoms i was literally clueluess
[07:22] <Burgundavia> indeed. One of the local lug guys works for a company that builds voicemail systems
[07:22] <Burgundavia> they tried using asterix and discovered it didn't scale, so they did their own
[07:23] <jsgotangco> its asterisk, not asterix, heh, that's a cartoon character
[07:24] <Burgundavia> yep, I always do that
[07:24] <jsgotangco> how's the book going?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> we are going to press soon
[07:25] <Burgundavia> it has largely been radio silence, but I have been paid
[07:25] <Burgundavia> ughh...
[07:25] <jsgotangco> wow
[07:25] <Burgundavia> I hate how flash breaks keyboard shortcuts
[07:25] <jsgotangco> so manuscript is done?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> I assume so
[07:26] <jsgotangco> how many pages total? 300+?
[07:26] <Burgundavia> no idea, tbh
[07:26] <jsgotangco> hmmm more than 300+ would be too much for a desktop reference IMO
[07:26] <Burgundavia> I haven't even seen the whole book
[07:26] <jsgotangco> why is that?
[07:26] <Burgundavia> apress book is 535
[07:27] <Burgundavia> because communication has been bad. Somewhat my fault for not asking more questions
[07:27] <Burgundavia> I have learned a lot with this book
[07:27] <jsgotangco> i haven't seen the apress book, but most books have filler material tbh
[07:28] <jsgotangco> on our part, we just passed review, we hvae been slow but it has been good experience as well...we just focused on meaty stuff
[07:28] <jsgotangco> i think the best decision we made was do everything on svn
[07:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, http://www.bccampus.ca/Page93.aspx
[07:29] <Burgundavia> apress book is not very focuses
[07:29] <Burgundavia> s/s/d
[07:29] <Burgundavia> but then again, our goes into Kubuntu and other things
[07:29] <jsgotangco> you could easily fill up 100 pages of basic stuff that can be read on the relase notes and installer guide
[07:29] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:30] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, cool. who is behind that?
[07:31] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, looks like bc open university and the creative commons canada people
[07:43] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, you saw the thing about Stats Canada allowing non-MS browsers now?
[08:02] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, yes, they now have a big thing about Linux users
[08:02] <Burgundavia> apparently they have caught a lot of heat for it
[08:02] <Madpilot> good
[08:02] <Burgundavia> probably some manager somewhere is wondering exactly how all the shit hit the fan so quickly
[08:02] <Burgundavia> shows the sheer power of the internet is organizing people
[08:03] <Madpilot> hehe - blogs+websites+mailing lists+misc other forums=major manure+ventilation moment ;)
[08:04] <Laser_away> well said :-)
[08:26] <Burgundavia> bleeding installer borked all over me...
[08:26] <Madpilot> again?
[08:27] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:27] <jsgotangco> i think its known
[08:27] <Madpilot> liveCD installer or the old one?
[08:30] <Burgundavia_> grumble
[08:30] <robitaille> the LiveCD installer has always worked for me...but there is a boat load of bug reports in LP about it...
[08:32] <robitaille> 94 open bug reports to be exact...
[08:33] <rob> its pretty good, I don't like the partitioner though
[08:34] <jsgotangco> i dont even use it at all
[08:34] <jsgotangco> call me old school whatever
[08:34] <Burgundavia_> the partioner needs serious work
[08:38] <rob> took even me a while to figure out what the heck was going on with it, not very user friendly though it tries to be
[08:40] <Burgundavia_> it needs some more basic modes, like d-i has "delete this partition and install ubuntu in the free space"
[08:52] <Madpilot> odd - I'm searching malone for a gLabels bug I remember commenting on last year, and can't find any glabels bugs at all...
[08:56] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia_: so after this book-writing experience do you want to do it again?
[08:57] <robitaille> Madpilot:   bug 1929 ?
[08:57] <robitaille> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/glabels/+bug/1929
[08:58] <Madpilot> thanks, robitaille - that was the bug I was looking for
[08:58] <Madpilot> now why the heck didn't a basic search for 'glabels' turn that up?
[08:58] <robitaille> already fixed bug will not appears in a default search
[08:59] <robitaille> you have to go in advance and click on a few extra option before searching
[09:01] <Madpilot> ah
[09:10] <Madpilot> I see - "fix commited" bugs always show up, but "fix released" bugs don't get listed in search, by default...
[09:16] <robitaille> Madpilot:  essentially whatever shows up in a default search are bugs that should be acted on at one point, including fix commited  The fix released ones are gone forever (hopefully...)
[09:16] <Madpilot> right
[09:17] <robitaille> which means we have to look for duplicates of Breezy bugs more often than not in already fixed bug reports...
[09:17] <Madpilot> makes sense, except when you're actually looking for an old bug ;) (someone on the forums was wondering about that image-import bug in glabels...)
[09:17] <Burgundavia_> robitaille, did you see that post about Ubuntu and bugs on lxer?
[09:19] <robitaille> Burgundavia_:  nope.  URL?
[09:20] <Burgundavia_> http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=27
[09:21] <robitaille> "While Ubuntu has 2 million customers"...wow  I never think of it that way...
[09:22] <Madpilot> we tend to think of "users", not "customers", I suspect ;)
[09:22] <Burgundavia_> I think the number is closer to 6 myself
[09:23] <Madpilot> Burgundavia_, doesn't that blog post boil down to "Ubuntu needs to control Debian" - which is, AFAIK, one of the things Mark was trying to avoid?
[09:23] <Burgundavia_> Madpilot, basically , yes
[09:25] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: all your base are belong to us
[09:25] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:25] <Madpilot> wonder how many "Ubuntu != Debian" emails that guy has gotten already?
[09:26] <robitaille> In my opinion,  Ubuntu needs a strong Debian.  Which was easier to achive when DEbian was a lot bigger than Ubuntu in number of users.  Now is a bit more complex of a relationship...
[09:27] <Burgundavia_> here is another interesting tidbit, but completely unrelated
[09:27] <Burgundavia_> until recently Ubuntu has been unchallenged at the top of the distrowatch charts
[09:27] <Burgundavia_> but recently suse has knocked Ubuntu off on the 7day charts
[09:27] <jsgotangco> its because suse just released a new version with a lot of bling
[09:28] <jsgotangco> it has n-m, xgl, compiz running
[09:28] <Burgundavia_> yep
[09:28] <jsgotangco> desktop bling will definitely drive traffic
[09:28] <Burgundavia_> but when suse 10 and fc5 came out, they didn't move up that much
[09:28] <jsgotangco> well suse 10 is utterly horrible imo
[09:29] <Burgundavia_> not tried it
[09:29] <Burgundavia_> if you I cannot get a distro in one cd, I am not going to bother
[09:29] <robitaille> there has been a lot of shifts in linux distro in the last 2 years.  Ubuntu was one change.  A  Suse is another.  
[09:29] <jsgotangco> robitaille: that's true
[09:29] <jsgotangco> FC5 didnt really do anything revolutionary
[09:30] <robitaille> wasn't the unofficial business plan of Canonical to aim to be in the top 3 of a new "world order" of linux distro?
[09:30] <Burgundavia_> but fedora has slowly been shaking up their goverence and technical structure
[09:30] <crimsun> I think people are missing the point entirely with these "Ubuntu needs to do..." and "Debian needs to do..." blogs.
[09:30] <jsgotangco> what i'd like to see on a longer term is for debian-based systems to be more visible in the telephony space
[09:30] <jsgotangco> atm its basically redhat
[09:31] <jsgotangco> its the final frontier :)
[09:31] <Burgundavia_> well, see if mark will fund some work on asterisk and telelphony in ubuntu
[09:32] <Madpilot> Telbuntu? ;)
[09:32] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: its more complicated than that heh,
[09:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> ROFL
[09:32] <jsgotangco> Digium really sticks to RH-based for now
[09:33] <jsgotangco> every person who downloads @home automatically installs a CentOS box
[09:33] <jsgotangco> :)
[09:34] <Burgundavia_> what would it take to get @home to use a better distro
[09:34] <Burgundavia_> ?
[09:34] <Burgundavia_>  </troll>
[09:35] <jsgotangco> hmm just based on my experience, not a lot imo
[09:35] <jsgotangco> its just nicely packaged and rolled as one solution
[09:35] <jsgotangco> it even included the drivers fro interface cards based on zapata
[09:36] <jsgotangco> the kernel is probably patched even (not really sure)
[09:37] <jsgotangco> i gotta go to the grocer brb
[10:12] <Madpilot> night all
[10:47] <mdke> morning
[10:50] <Burgundavia_> salut mdke 
[10:50] <mdke> hi Burgundavia_ 
[11:00] <mdke> http://mdke.org/tmp/help.png <-- what do people think of the tabs?
[11:16] <mdke> Burgundavia_: 
[11:16] <mdke> http://mdke.org/tmp/help.png <-- what do people think of the tabs?
[11:17] <dsas> mdke: I quite like it, it's obvious where to go for the specific releases documents.
[11:19] <mdke> dsas: good. I couldn't think of anything shorter for the labels which would work nicely
[11:19] <dsas> Maybe another way would to be adopt the same tabs as ubuntu.com and add release specific documentation links to a right hand sidebar. It has the bonus of looking like the other ubuntu pages that way but has the disadvantage of making it harder to find release specific stuff.
[11:19] <dsas> it should be slightly longer: 6.06LTS (Dapper Drake) :p
[11:20] <mdke> yeah
[11:20] <mdke> a sidebar is not really an option
[11:20] <mdke> technically speaking
[11:22] <dsas> They bug me a lot of the time usability wise anyway.
[11:22] <dsas> just curious, how come they're not an option technically speaking?
[11:23] <mdke> well, because that header has to be on all the html we generate, and I just don't know we could put side tabs in, and I certainly don't have time to figure out if it's possible
[11:27] <dsas> ahh, is the header in svn?
[11:29] <Burgundavia_> the sidebar is a hack heno did for ubuntu.com
[11:29] <mdke> it's in the stylesheets we use to build html from xml
[11:29] <Burgundavia_> mdke, they look good
[11:32] <mdke> dsas: so that way, they'll be on every page of html we build
[11:32] <mdke> Burgundavia_: cool
[11:32] <dsas> mdke: Ahh ok, that wouldn't be a good thing.
[11:38] <mpt_> oh, there are tabs!
[11:38] <mpt_> mdke, those tabs are in the same place as the ones on ubuntu.com that aren't really useful
[11:38] <mpt_> so it wouldn't surprise me if people didn't notice them at all
[11:39] <mpt_> perhaps move them over to the left?
[11:39] <mdke> mpt_: and move the "ubuntu documentation" image to the right?
[11:40] <mpt_> no, one above the other
[11:41] <mdke> hmmm
[11:41] <mdke> lemme see
[11:44] <mdke> mpt_: it looks pretty bad :)
[11:44] <mdke> http://mdke.org/tmp/help2.png
[11:45] <Burgundavia_> mdke, for now, I think stick with the ubuntu.com style, but I think we should look at a website revamp in the next little bit
[11:47] <Burgundavia_> as, to move the tabs left means that we would eat up more precious vertical screen real estate
[05:13] <janimo> mdke: hi
[05:14] <janimo> can the pot file go anywhere in the xubuntu-doc package?
[05:31] <mdke> janimo: well, yes, I think so.
[05:31] <mdke> janimo: you don't ship the xml do you?
[05:31] <janimo> mdke: don;t think so. Did not spend much on the docs package so far
[05:31] <janimo> I think it's html only though
[05:32] <mdke> janimo: it just needs to be in the source, not the binary
[05:32] <mdke> so if you include it where it currently is, that will be fine
[05:32] <janimo> currently you mean the current package
[05:32] <mdke> I mean, as it is in our branch
[05:33] <mdke> at xubuntu/desktopguide/desktopguide.pot
[05:33] <janimo> yes, I include it there
[05:33] <mdke> cool
[05:33] <janimo> I thought you meant the xml files
[05:33] <janimo> thanks
[05:33] <janimo> so wehn it's uploaded rosetta admins need to be notified?
[05:33] <mdke> janimo: give me a ping when you've uploaded, and I'll talk to the rosetta guys
[05:33] <janimo> ok, thanks :)
[05:34] <mdke> janimo: also, give a little bit of thought to how to include the translations, when they arrive. I don't know what help viewer you use or how it works 
[05:34] <janimo> firefox :)
[05:34] <mdke> ah.
[05:35] <janimo> I guess the regular C/ XX/ YY/ locale thing
[05:35] <janimo> subdirs
[05:35] <mdke> how do users find the documentation in the first place?
[05:35] <janimo> not there yet, but I plan to put a link iin the startup menu
[05:35] <janimo> now there;s ans xfce help entry there
[05:35] <mdke> right. So all that is necessary is for that link to be localisable
[05:35] <janimo> near that or instead of that I guess
[05:36] <janimo> yes, I'll need to give some tought to that as well
[05:36] <mdke> great, sounds like it will be doable
[05:36] <janimo> a bit late I guess but I think it is doable
[05:36] <mdke> janimo: as the translation string freeze is this week, the infrastructure should get in place asap, if possible
[05:37] <janimo> yup
[05:37] <mdke> once that is done, it is easy to add more advanced translations post-release
[07:01] <hybrid> howdy everyone
[07:02] <mdke> howdy
[10:47] <luzi> mdke ?
[10:47] <mdke> luzi: !
[10:47] <luzi> xubuntu-docs has been uploaded.
[10:47] <mdke> luzi: great
[10:48] <luzi> mdke, you were going to talk to rosetta people about it, right? 
[10:49] <mdke> luzi: yes, I'll post to the mailing list when everything is working
[10:50] <luzi> mdke, is there anything else i need to do at the moment?
[10:51] <mdke> luzi: nope, it's in rosetta now, it just needs one of the admins to approve it to start translation
[10:52] <luzi> ok, nice. i'll call that my cue to go to bed then :o)
[10:52] <mdke> me too, g'night
[10:52] <luzi> bye
[10:53] <LaserJock> hi mdke, how's it going?
[10:53] <LaserJock> busy, busy, busy?
[10:53] <mdke> LaserJock: yeah, pretty busy
[10:54] <LaserJock> translations mostly, I'm guessing?
[10:55] <mdke> yes, and real work
[10:56] <LaserJock> oh yeah, that ...
[10:56] <mdke> i need to do some ironing too
[10:57] <LaserJock> I just keep seeing more and more Ubuntu work to do
[11:00] <mdke> heh
[11:28] <crimsun> yay, my work is done. There are no more bugs.
[11:28] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:30] <jjesse> mdke: are the release notes for kubuntu current on doc.ubuntu.com?
[11:41] <mdke> ah hi jjesse 
[11:41] <mdke> jjesse: I don't know to be honest. Yesterday I saw they didn't build so I fixed some things, you should check what I've done
[11:42] <jjesse> mdke: ok will do
[11:42] <mdke> jjesse: it's vital to check stuff validates before uploading it, otherwise all the builds break together
[11:42] <jjesse> mdke: sorry thought i validated it before i commited
[11:42] <mdke> heh
[11:42] <mdke> it was seriously broken
[11:43] <jjesse> grin that's what i get for working on it when i was laying in bed :(
[11:43] <mdke> jjesse: basically everything goes on doc.u.c if it is included in the "all" target in the kubuntu Makefile, and it builds properly
[11:43] <mdke> so it should be up to date now
[11:44] <mdke> jjesse: are the releasenotes nearly finished?
[11:44] <jjesse> ok, i'll verify and go to work, want to make sure DapperReleaseNotes/Kubuntu matches with what is on the docs
[11:44] <mdke> cool
[11:44] <jjesse> mdke: they should be i wouldn't see why there would be any changes from now on
[11:45] <mdke> great, then maybe we can stick them in rosetta in the next couple of days
[11:46] <jjesse> ok, i'll follow up with riddell to see any changes need to be made and then i'll let you know so we can get them uploaded
[11:46] <mdke> great