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Phlostenmorning all12:33
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mhzhi you all12:48
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mhzHedgeMage: hey mon, could you edit wiki pages in the end?01:21
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HedgeMagemhz: I don't think I get what you're asking01:27
mhzHedgeMage: is it me or last week (maybe thursday) you could not edit wiki pages? (maybe it was another person)01:27
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HedgeMageahh ok yes I did something dumb :P01:28
HedgeMageit's fine now01:28
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HedgeMagethanks!01:48
mhzyw01:48
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Phlostennew edubuntu artwork = schweet03:05
bimberiPhlosten: do you have the new chalkboard wallpaper?03:05
Phlostenyeah03:06
bimberiPhlosten: does it have NZ on it?03:06
Phlosteni love it03:06
Phlostenand the splash screen looks awesome03:06
Phlostenoh, yeah. no NZ03:06
Phlostenmaybe you need widescreen for NZ ;)03:06
bimberihm - yes the version i saw didn't either :) - i'm not up to date though03:07
Phlosteni just did an update from the latest daily cd03:07
bimberiactually s/:)//03:07
Phlostenbimberi, my ltsp is still not working though :/03:07
bimberii reckon it's a gaffe myself03:07
bimberihm :(03:08
HedgeMageI'll bbiab, taking TT on an errand03:08
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bimberiso your client still only boots to a text login prompt and ctrl-alt-F7 doesn't work?03:09
Phlosteni just had to go out and spend $40 on another calculator, a certain 3 year old decided to hide mine somewhere 03:09
Phlostenbimberi, same flashing cursor03:09
bimberilol (3yo), :/ (cursor)03:09
Phlosteni bought a casio one that shows maths functions in textbook form, very odd03:11
bimberiPhlosten: well, as you know I don't know what the issue is sorry - others here might (hopefully)03:11
Phlostenyou do 1 divided by 3 and the answer is 1/303:11
Phlostenis the firefox default welcome page meant to be so boring?03:11
BurgundaviaPhlosten, you mean the giant pile of text?03:15
Phlostenthere is no style with it03:15
Phlostenjust plain text03:16
Burgundaviahmm, that is likely a bug03:16
Burgundaviait should be getting some css love03:16
Phlostenthe page references edubuntu.css but there is only a ubuntu.css03:17
Phlostenjust a typo03:18
Phlostentypo bug03:18
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Phlosteni have to get back to some school work I am supposed to be doing, bbl03:23
mhzhmmm, I am trying to translate Dapper Drake into spanish...04:03
mhzaccording to my dictionary, it would be something like "handsome Drake"04:03
mhzdoes that make any sense?04:03
mhzor Drake is a kind of bird?04:03
mhzYES!, believe it or not, after all these months is the first time I have to translate this :D04:04
=== mhz BBsoon
bimberi!dict drake04:05
ubotuDictionary 'drake' (2 shown): English explorer and admiral who was the first Englishman to circumnavigate the globe and who helped to defeat the Spanish Armada (1540-1596) ;; adult male of a wild or domestic duck.04:05
bimberi!dict dapper04:11
ubotuDictionary 'dapper' marked by smartness in dress and manners; "a dapper young man"; "a jaunty red hat" 04:11
kgoetzhm. ubuntu 6.06 - the jaunty pome. :)04:12
bimberihehe04:15
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=== magnon kicks plone
Amaranthjaunty fedora?04:24
LaserJockhmm, no04:25
Burgundaviamhz, drake is a also a kind of dragon04:36
Burgundaviamhz, Mark has been very quiet about whether it is a duck or a dragon04:36
Burgundaviamhz, also, as it a product name, I don't think it should actually be translated04:37
Amaranthit's not a product name05:25
Amaranthit's a development code name05:25
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arkan0xmhz, ! ping05:35
arkan0xmhz, !05:35
HedgeMagelol05:38
HedgeMageI think mhz said something earlier about going to bed.05:38
arkan0xoks ;)05:39
HedgeMagedon't quote me though, it's been a long day here :)05:40
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HedgeMagehi Yagisan06:19
YagisanG'day HedgeMage06:19
HedgeMageWhat's up?06:19
YagisanHedgeMage: watching my daughter piss my wife off06:20
YagisanHedgeMage: she just made all the clean washing dirty again06:20
HedgeMageYagisan: ouch06:20
HedgeMagehow old?06:20
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YagisanHedgeMage: 206:21
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HedgeMagehehehe06:21
HedgeMagegood plan06:21
YagisanHedgeMage: other then that, looking to see how hard it will be to port some software to amd6406:22
HedgeMageYagisan: if she gets really mad, let her know that at that age, I was packing to move our household to another state and TT found a Sharpie where a piece of furniture used to be... destroyed my couch and love seat :(06:22
HedgeMagehot pink on top of french country (blue and white plaid with a tiny bit of yellow)06:23
YagisanHedgeMage: ouch. My little princess doesn't understand, that mum has been washing almost all day just to keep up with ker mess06:24
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HedgeMageit's a hard spot between knowing they didn't mean it, and knowing they need to learn06:24
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YagisanHedgeMage: I swear, I think that is all my wife ever does - just washing their stuff06:25
HedgeMageYagisan: you could go help :P06:25
HedgeMagebrb mommy duty06:25
YagisanHedgeMage: been there, tried that. I'm now banned from using the washing machine06:25
HedgeMagerofl that bad?06:25
YagisanHedgeMage: apparently I wasn't supposed to put the wool in there06:25
Yagisanpfft - sheep don't shrink when they get wet06:26
HedgeMageroflmao06:27
HedgeMageYagisan: I have clearly labeled laundry bins with a description of what can and can't go in them and how the contents are to be washed and dried06:28
HedgeMagehubby's learned to read carefully06:28
YagisanHedgeMage: well, the label was in Japanese (no aussie wool  symbol), so I tossed it in. Aparrently it was very expensive06:29
HedgeMageouch06:29
Yagisanhmm. warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size is bad isn't it06:29
HedgeMageyep06:30
HedgeMagemeans it'll be useless06:30
YagisanHedgeMage: I'm not a bad cook though. My like likes me cooking06:30
HedgeMageor just bork everything :P06:30
HedgeMagecool06:30
YagisanHedgeMage: oh, we get a seg fault :)06:31
YagisanHedgeMage: I find it odd that the guy with 4 days worth of C gets the port to amd64 task06:31
=== Yagisan must be just lucky
HedgeMageouch!06:32
YagisanHedgeMage: your hubby cook ?06:32
HedgeMagehe can do simple stuff06:32
YagisanHedgeMage: my kitchen is a piece of shit. Never can get the elements hot enough (wish I had gas)06:32
HedgeMageI would prefer gas, too06:32
YagisanHedgeMage: so hard to get things done right06:32
YagisanHedgeMage: I tend to cook more when stressed, so my wife hasn't had to cook for more then a week now06:33
HedgeMageIf it were my own house, I'd totally deck out the kitchen.  My dad repairs, installs, and occassionally custom-builds commercial and industrial cooking equipment for a living, so I learned a lot and have access to factory prices :)06:33
HedgeMageYagisan: heh, I cook more under stress, too :)06:34
YagisanHedgeMage: I whacked off 6 main meals in 3.5 hours. Had the stove, oven and microwave running continuously 06:35
YagisanHedgeMage: thenI had to find room in my midget freezer for them06:35
HedgeMagelol06:35
HedgeMagewe have the world's smallest kitchen here06:35
YagisanHedgeMage: smaller then mine, that is hard to believe. Some turd decided we had to have the laundry in my kitchen06:36
mhzYagisan: HEY MY MON!!!!06:36
YagisanG'day mhz!06:36
Laser_awayI try cooking with my wife and she always sends me out of the kitchen06:37
HedgeMageYagisan: ditto here06:37
HedgeMagehi mhz 06:37
YagisanLaser_away: I kick my wife out of the kitchen06:37
HedgeMageLaser_away: go hang out in ##cooking and learn :P  </shameless plug>06:37
Yagisananyone seen Iron Chef (the Japanese one) ?06:37
Laser_awayshe wants me to help and then she says that I take over06:37
Laser_awayYagisan: sure06:37
mhzYagisan: it is SOOOOO NICE to see ya here06:38
Yagisanyeah - I do an IC in the kitchen06:38
HedgeMagenope, no cable tv06:38
HedgeMageor regular tv for that matter06:38
YagisanHedgeMage: torrents! (actually I've got a few ...)06:38
Laser_awayHedgeMage: I see it when I go to my grandpa's house06:38
HedgeMageYagisan: hehe06:38
Yagisanmhz: yeah - I'm actually on my local timezone for once06:38
mhzhi HedgeMage 06:39
mhzstill here, uh06:39
YagisanI take whatever crap that is left, and see how many meals I can make out of it06:39
mhzYagisan: lol06:39
Yagisanahh. lunch. bbl06:39
mhzlunch?06:40
mhzalready?06:40
HedgeMagebtw, if anyone here is in Washington, USA and interested in a launch party let me know... I think I've been drafted to throw one :P06:40
=== mhz is about to go to bed
Laser_awayHedgeMage: darn, I'd love to live up there some time. I'd come if I did :-)06:41
HedgeMage:)06:42
HedgeMagemhz: sweet dreams06:42
HedgeMagebtw, anyone else here have jabber so I can add you to my roster?  (or want it and I'll add you to my server?)06:42
Laser_awayI've got jabber: laserjock@jabber.org06:43
mhzHedgeMage: .."are made of these...Who am I to.."06:43
=== HedgeMage smiles at mhz
mhz:)06:44
=== mhz used to collect LOTS of european music
mhzYagisan: i hope things with your wife are getting lot better06:51
=== mhz was so pissed off with australian Gov + hospital policies
HedgeMage???06:51
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HedgeMage(but don't feel required to talk about it if you don't wish to)06:52
mhzHedgeMage: lol06:54
HedgeMagemhz: what's funny?06:55
mhzmy friend, Yagisan was having a bad moment, very bad because of auzzy's GOv.06:55
mhzfunny you were lost and said "but don't feel required to talk about it if you don't wish to"06:55
HedgeMageI got that... heard gov + hospital so thought it might be quite horrible...06:56
mhzyup06:56
mhzit was06:56
mhzanyways, Yagisan if things are still awfull, man, I truly hope they get better SOON!06:56
=== HedgeMage nods
=== HedgeMage too
HedgeMageLaser_away: added you but you aren't logged on :P06:58
Laser_awayoh sorry, just a sec06:58
HedgeMage:)07:00
bimberiHedgeMage: what does it mean to be added to your roster?07:02
HedgeMagebimberi: it's what jabber calls your friends list :)07:03
HedgeMagejabber is an open, distributed IM protocol07:03
Laser_awayHedgeMage: what do you use for jabber07:03
bimberiah - kk :)07:03
HedgeMageLaser_away: same thing you do07:03
HedgeMagePsi07:03
Laser_awayah07:03
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Yagisanre07:06
bimberi_hm, a well timed modem dropout - i've missed anything after my last /me07:06
HedgeMagebimberi_: all you missed was sankarshan showing up07:07
Yagisanmhz: late lunch here. 3:20pm07:07
bimberiHedgeMage: thanks :)07:07
HedgeMagenp07:07
mhzYagisan: oh07:07
YagisanHedgeMage: mhz was referring to the fuckup with my wife @ the hospital when she gave birth07:08
mhzYagisan: late work here on a sunday night07:08
mhzis she better?07:08
HedgeMageYagisan: what happened?07:08
Yagisanmhz: no. expect to take another 6 months07:08
mhzYagisan: damn!!! @#$%^*&*#@ ... sorry for my french!07:09
YagisanHedgeMage: in a nutshell thet cut her so bad when she gave bith, her arse and vagina where one big hole, gave her a few stitches, and kicked her out of the hospital after 3 days, with no followup.07:10
YagisanHedgeMage: basically, they crippled her07:10
YagisanHedgeMage: my business has been effectivly shut down so I can look after her and the kids07:10
Yagisanmhz: feel free to swear, it's unlikely I'll learn a new word ;)07:11
HedgeMageYagisan: That's horrible!07:11
HedgeMageGive her my sympathy/empathy.  I was accidentally cut as well, but not nearly that badly.07:12
YagisanHedgeMage: yeah :( she has a hard time even going to the bathroom now07:12
HedgeMage:(07:13
YagisanHedgeMage: 4th degree tear. it doesn't get worse then that07:13
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HedgeMage:(07:13
mhzindeed07:13
YagisanHedgeMage: does wonders for your love life too.07:13
mhzany hope Gov or hospital ever really help you/her, Yagisan  ?07:14
Yagisanmhz: no07:14
Laser_awayYagisan: that is terrible, what should be such a blessing gets turned into a horrible experience07:14
HedgeMageYagisan: my husband left for a war zone before I healed, and I still have scar tissue, so again I can empathize.07:14
Yagisanat least our son is fine. Although, ther is zero chance of another one now07:15
mhzhmm07:16
=== mhz feels so useless
HedgeMageYagisan: there's always Csection or adoption.07:16
HedgeMage:(07:16
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HedgeMageIf/when we have another we plan to adopt... my injury wasn't that bad, I just didn't get along well with pregnancy07:17
=== mhz thanks Yagisan for telling us this and tries to express how terrible he feels for not being able to help
YagisanHedgeMage: 1st one was emergency C-Section. 2nd was that. nope, if we get another one, I'd have to give birth07:18
Yagisanmhz: no worries07:18
HedgeMageYagisan: Medical science does crazy things these days :P07:18
HedgeMageYagisan: again, there's always adoption :)07:18
=== HedgeMage cuddles Yagisan since she can't really be helpful either.
Laser_awayyeah, sorry we can't be more help07:19
Yagisanwow. I'm really depressing aren't I07:19
HedgeMageYagisan: not at all07:19
Laser_awaymy sister-in-law had 3rd degree with her first07:19
Yagisanactually, listening is good.07:19
YagisanI don't have anyone hear to listen to me except for my wife07:19
Yagisans/hear/here07:19
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HedgeMage:)07:19
HedgeMageat least we're good for something then 07:20
mhzYagisan: you are not depressing.. that stupid Hospotal is!!!07:20
Laser_awaymhz: +107:20
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Yagisanand the irony to that is, it is a major hospital, that is supposed to be good.07:20
=== mhz feels sometime it is needed to take over control and mess up with that hospital IT's and... you know
Laser_awaylol07:21
Yagisanmy local hospital couldn't do a VBAC birth :(07:21
mhz but that would not represent Ubuntu's philosophy07:21
Laser_awayhmm, maybe we could give them MS for all their accounting needs ;-)07:22
Yagisanmhz: sure. Ther run a citrix metaframe on Win Xp setup. All thin clienst on the doctors offices. Local media works, and passwords are taped to the units07:22
Yagisanmhz: I ,ah, already cased the place07:22
Yagisanmhz: I decided it wasn't a challange07:22
HedgeMageROFL07:22
YagisanHedgeMage: well, I can't help it. Part of my day job is/was penetration testing07:23
YagisanHedgeMage: I can socially engineer my way in to almost anything07:23
mhzYagisan: lol07:23
Yagisanmhz: oh yeah. The usb ports work too ;)07:24
mhzI promise I wouldn't stop you nor judge you if you decided to mess them up and maybe even make their system say "We owe Yagisan's wife a huge $ compensation"07:24
HedgeMageYagisan: I just find it funny because I naturally assess every place I walk in to as a matter of course, in terms of both technological and physical threats.... from OS to exits, social engineering opportunities to improvised weapons.07:25
HedgeMageI kind of got a bad rep for it in college07:25
HedgeMageand a rather embarassing nickname from one of our gaming groups07:26
Yagisanmhz: I feel it is beneath my skills. I'd rather a more challenging hack, so I can get some satisfaction out of it, before I need to flee the country07:26
HedgeMage:)07:26
=== mhz can't help feeling a little, just a little 'cracker' when it is common perception they have seriously f* up with a family's life and they do nothing to solve it
YagisanHedgeMage: I never got caught @ TAFE. hehe07:27
HedgeMageTAFE ?07:27
mhzI mean, the least they should be doing is "oh man, we f* up. Don't worry, please accept our apologies and let us work it out right away"07:27
HedgeMagemhz: just another faceless, uncaring corporation... hospitals aren't that different from the rest07:28
mhzhmmm, then... if they do not remedy it in a good way... lets try a "different approach" :D07:29
YagisanHedgeMage: like a college (trade school ?? )07:29
HedgeMagein the end, in the US at least, they do anything possible to deny responsibility and not help (helping, they feel, is an admission of guilt) for fear of being sued (which they often deserve)07:29
HedgeMageYagisan: ahh ok07:29
YagisanHedgeMage: sadly that has been exported here07:29
mhzwell, here too07:29
HedgeMageYagisan: I only got "caught" a couple of times, always when someone thought it was funny to sneak up on me07:29
HedgeMageonce kicked my boyfriend's butt before I knew it was him... oops07:30
mhzlol07:30
HedgeMageneedless to say he didn't find it endearing07:30
YagisanHedgeMage: I modded my id card to look like staff. Put on a suit, and got into the server room >:)07:30
mhzmaybe he deserved it!07:30
mhz:D07:30
HedgeMagemhz: I was putting clean sheets on the bed, someone else let him into the dorm without telling me, he thought it would be funny to sneak in behind me and pin my arms so I couldn't move... except he never made it that far07:31
mhzYagisan: "hehe, hehe.heheh, that's cool.. hehe, yeah, cool... hehe, hehe"07:31
HedgeMagehe was on the ground, breathless, with my boot to his throat before I realized who it was.07:31
=== HedgeMage is less jumpy when grabbed these days, but only when she makes a conscious effort
mhzHedgeMage: "hehehe, yeah... heheh, hehehe, yeah, let's kick his butt, yeah, cool"07:32
=== HedgeMage is afraid to ask what that's a reference to
mhzlol07:32
HedgeMagesounds vaguely familiar07:33
mhzof course... smurfs!07:33
mhzlol07:33
mhznah07:33
=== mhz only watched one B&B show once, when they were suppossed to be 'hackers'
HedgeMageahh that's it07:34
mhzand of course they were far from being one07:34
HedgeMageI've (thankfully) seen less than that of them07:34
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Laser_aways/be/bed/07:35
mhzlol07:35
YagisanI've seen real hackers. oddly they don't all have long hear (but most do)07:35
mhzindeed07:35
Yagisans/hear/hair07:35
Laser_awayYagisan: really?07:35
mhzand unfortunately, some of them... smell07:35
YagisanLaser_away: yeah. My hair isn't long.07:38
Laser_awaymine neither, but I don't claim to be a hacker by any stretch of the imagination07:38
Yagisanhey - who wants to help me port some big, old, software to amd64 :)07:38
YagisanLaser_away: you don't compulsively program ?07:39
Laser_awayYagisan: I don't really know much programing, I'm a chemisty07:39
Laser_awayI only know a bit of Fortran and Python07:39
Laser_aways/chemistry/chemist/07:39
YagisanLaser_away: ah. I have 4 days of C, and get to port to strange new worlds, er, amd64 systems07:40
HedgeMageYagisan: I'm experienced in C but have little free time... I'll answer questions if you need me to and I can, though07:42
=== HedgeMage has been doing C & C++ for 8 or 9 years now.
Yagisannice07:43
Laser_awayI've got a data aquisition program (ncurse+pgplot) written in C that I'd like to port over to Python07:43
HedgeMageYagisan: I had luck in high school07:43
Laser_awaybut I really don't know a  lot of C07:43
Laser_awayall I know is that pointers give me problems07:43
YagisanHedgeMage: I have no trouble porting x86 asm to amd64 asm07:43
YagisanLaser_away: speaking of which ....07:44
HedgeMageYagisan: the nun who became priciple had a brother who was a compsci prof. at a prestigious university.  She convinced him to quit and teach at the high school (good ol' Catholic guilt trip) and I got to work with him for 4 years07:44
Laser_awaycool07:44
YagisanHedgeMage: nice. 07:44
HedgeMages/principle/principal07:45
HedgeMageVery.07:45
HedgeMagethat's half the reason I went to that school07:45
HedgeMagethat guy was awesome07:45
=== HedgeMage wants to make johnnycake but has no one to help her eat it :(
Laser_awayI try to learn programming but it seems too abstract a lot of the time. I need to have a project to code in order to get anything out of it07:45
HedgeMageLaser_away: I could teach you to code but you might hate me most of the time07:46
Laser_awayprobably :-)07:46
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YagisanLaser_away: I just grabbed a project I like, and am helping them become fully gpl compatible, and ensuring they stay portable07:46
Laser_awayI've got to get my PhD finished first though07:46
YagisanHedgeMage: most common warning I see is "warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size", is there a simple solution ?07:47
HedgeMageLaser_away: that teacher I mentioned was wonderful, but he really made us learn the hard way... we did all coding for tests/exams and most projects on paper, no debugger, no nothing.07:47
Laser_awaybut then I spend so much time on Ubuntu, I don't know that I have time to learn programming07:47
HedgeMageYagisan: is the cast in the same context each time?07:47
Laser_awayhopefully for edgy I can do some Edubuntu work07:48
HedgeMage(i.e. is it something we can figure out a regexp-able fix for?)07:48
=== mhz is just a teacher and edubuntu evangelist :D
HedgeMage(or, is it something we can work around in another automated way)07:48
YagisanHedgeMage: there are so many of them I'll need to check the specifics.07:50
HedgeMageYagisan: I have an idea what it might be, can you paste me an example of about three of the bad assignments (with ample context)07:50
BurgundaviaLaser_away, what is the latest on esa? Can I dive into it?07:50
HedgeMagein a pastebin somewhere (preferably rafb.net/paste as they have language highlighting)07:51
=== HedgeMage makes her johnnycake anyway
Laser_awayBurgundavia: with my inlaws being in town I haven't had a chance to talk with cbx33 so I'm not sure07:51
BurgundaviaLaser_away, should I hold off then?07:51
Laser_awayBurgundavia: I don't have any patches pending or anything so I say go for it, but I think it is sort of in a freeze state so maybe not major reworking07:52
BurgundaviaI wasn't thinking major07:52
Laser_awayBurgundavia: some "popping" would be nice07:52
Burgundaviait looks really good07:52
Laser_away<-- is really away now07:53
Laser_awaygood night folks07:53
YagisanGoodnight Laser_away07:53
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YagisanHedgeMage: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/s4ROyC71.html Line 148 and line 15807:55
HedgeMageYagisan: thanks, let me look07:55
HedgeMage(will be a bit slow I'm baking)07:55
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YagisanHedgeMage: and http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/oyqQjB43.html lines 124, 125 and 13007:57
YagisanHedgeMage: thank you.07:57
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HedgeMageYagisan: butter-topped cornbread, but square instead of rectangular07:58
HedgeMagevery nummy07:59
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HedgeMagehi highvoltage 08:00
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Burgundaviasalut highvoltage 08:02
mhzBurgundavia: hey there08:02
highvoltagehey HedgeMage 08:04
highvoltagesalut Burgundavia08:04
highvoltagemorning mhz08:05
mhzhighvoltage: hey, Mr. Voltage08:05
highvoltage*BZZZZZZT*08:06
mhzhehe08:06
mhzsounded like pikachoo08:06
HedgeMage:)08:06
highvoltagepikachoo is a power animal08:06
highvoltagePIKA PIKA PIKA!!!!08:07
highvoltage*BZZZZZT*08:07
Burgundaviahighvoltage, I am digging into some minor wording changes on ESA. Sound good?08:07
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highvoltageBurgundavia: yep. another 'native' english speaker edit would be great :)08:08
highvoltagemhz: oh yeah? well, i did the xubuntu.org page in VIM!08:08
mhzstill points to /locales/index-es_AR.html instead of something like index-es_CL.html08:08
highvoltagemhz: how are things coming together that side, btw?08:08
Yagisanarghh! no. pokemon, please dear god no!08:08
mhzYagisan: too late... already "evolved"08:09
mhz:D08:09
highvoltagei would have changed my nick now to ryachoo, but i'm unsure of that spelling :)08:09
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mhzlol08:09
HedgeMageYagisan: can you comment that hunk of code just around the error so I know what each variable involved is?08:10
HedgeMageI have a thought forming, but don't know enough to know where to go with it, and they aren't all declared in the paste AFAIS08:10
mhzBurgundavia: you are in -doc team right?08:10
Burgundaviamhz, I produce hot air, yes08:11
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mhzoooh08:12
HedgeMagelol :)08:12
mhzhmm, I can't install any software into this machine until thursday08:12
mhzand spanish uses some special characters08:13
YagisanHedgeMage: heh. I would love too, but I don't know what half if it is doing. It was an awful code base to inherit, and is taking me much longerto clean up then planned.08:13
kgoetzshould edubuntu be dropping back to gdm login on 'logout' in dapper, or shoping a 'selection an option' screen?08:13
mhz...that 'gedit' does not get (and my keyboard is english)08:13
HedgeMageYagisan: ouch.08:14
HedgeMageyeah... here's my vague theory, not knowing what any of the vars are....08:14
mhzso, after translating firefox default index for edubuntu (into spanish)08:14
mhzI have a working html but missing these characters08:14
HedgeMageI haven't ever ported from one architecture to another, but it occurs to me that the size of a default int and/or the size of a memory address (and hence a pointer) are probably different between them08:14
HedgeMagecan't narrow it down more than that without knowing the code base, sorry :(08:15
HedgeMagebut if it is as I say, it should be wide-scale fixable instead of per-instance, at least in most cases08:15
YagisanHedgeMage: Thanks08:15
BurgundaviaYagisan, there must be some good docs online for amd64 porting08:15
HedgeMageYagisan: np wish I knew more08:16
Burgundaviait is something a lot of programs are coming up against right now08:16
YagisanBurgundavia: the only stuff I find is for porting to win64, which doesn't work like us.08:16
BurgundaviaYagisan, I would ask in the debian community08:17
Burgundaviathey are mad keen on this porting business08:17
YagisanBurgundavia: will try. hope I don't get roasted08:19
BurgundaviaYagisan, what are you porting?08:19
YagisanBurgundavia: oh. A game. deng (I have an older version in revu) http://sourceforge.net/projects/deng08:25
BurgundaviaYagisan, there is a debian games team that might be able to help you08:25
YagisanBurgundavia: before or after I fix the DFSG issues ;)08:26
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BurgundaviaYagisan, either, they will work with you08:26
YagisanmhzBackIn4hrs: goodnight08:26
mhzBackIn4hrssee ya guys soon08:26
mhzBackIn4hrsYagisan: thx08:26
mhzBackIn4hrssee ya in 4 hrs08:26
mhzBackIn4hrs(so I hope)08:27
YagisanBurgundavia: they have an irc channel ?08:27
BurgundaviaYagisan, nope, but they do have a mailing list08:31
YagisanBurgundavia: ok. subscribed myself.08:33
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HedgeMageI'll be only somewhat here08:39
Burgundaviahighvoltage, The Edubuntu difference has too many points, at 9. Can I cut that back to 7?08:41
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cbx33mornin all08:52
cbx33ping highvoltage 08:53
HedgeMagecbx33: just a warning for you and pygi: when jabber says you can't change your pw it really does change, you get the error for no reason08:55
cbx33HedgeMage: ok08:55
cbx33HedgeMage: what server is running your jabber08:55
cbx33I want to set one up at the school for internal messaging?08:55
Burgundaviahey cbx33, do you have time to chat about ESA08:56
Burgundavia?08:56
cbx33Burgundavia: sure08:56
cbx33firstly which version are you looking at08:57
cbx33the wiki one is a little stale08:57
Burgundaviacbx33, svn, as of 303208:57
cbx33I'm going to update that one in about 5-10 mintues with the SVN repo version08:57
BurgundaviaI have another commit about to hit08:57
HedgeMagecbx33: they use old jabberd but from what little I know, wildfire or ejabberd is better... some of us customers are trying to get them to migrate08:57
cbx33ok npo08:57
cbx33Burgundavia: ahhh crap, I thought my sync was going to be up todate for more than 5 minutes :p08:58
cbx33hehe08:58
cbx33so shoot how does it look to you?08:58
Burgundaviagood, for the first bit08:59
Burgundaviathen it all falls down08:59
cbx33ok08:59
BurgundaviaI love the Edubuntu Advantage section08:59
BurgundaviaDifference, I should say08:59
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cbx33but the apps bit?08:59
Burgundaviait is a bit too long, but I am looking at merging it into 708:59
Burgundaviathe apps bit is flat08:59
Burgundaviait needs to be mroe than a list08:59
cbx33in what way?08:59
highvoltagecbx33: morningpong09:00
Burgundaviafor the bigger apps, like FF and OO.o, we need a short para09:00
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cbx33I did suggest that09:00
cbx33I did suggest that09:00
Burgundaviathe rest jsut need a screenshot, with a short sentence09:00
cbx33but others said that it wasn't needed so I relented09:00
Burgundaviaoh, and we need a different name than "The Tools", but I am stuck09:00
cbx33yes I agree on that point09:01
cbx33there will be screenshots09:01
cbx33we were waiting on the artwork to be confirmed09:01
Burgundaviaah, ok09:02
BurgundaviaI am almost done here myself, as I need to sleep09:02
HedgeMageI think I'm on some sort of screenshot duty09:02
cbx33HedgeMage: :p09:03
cbx33nice one thanks Burgundavia 09:03
cbx33I will endevour to get those changes sorted in the next 2 days09:03
cbx33Burgundavia: 09:04
cbx33before you go09:04
Burgundaviacbx33, we need a seciton in the difference about licensing09:04
BurgundaviaI have one last commit before I go09:04
cbx33do you think that the apps listings as they are for the individual apps are too long?09:05
cbx33Burgundavia: there was one about opensource in a long ago version09:05
cbx33perhaps we could pull that in?09:05
Burgundaviait should be about how open source can reduce licensing complexity and costs09:05
Burgundaviathink value, not features09:05
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cbx33hey jsgotangco 09:06
Burgundaviasalut jsgotangco 09:06
jsgotangcohi09:07
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cbx33nagios rocks09:08
jsgotangcocbx33: sure if you apt-get it, not when do it in rpm hell09:09
cbx33my nagios box sms messages me :D09:09
jsgotangcodo you use NRPE?09:10
Burgundaviacan we transform our docbook into a pdf that is half page?09:10
jsgotangcoyou'll probably need wicked xslt to do that09:10
Burgundaviamight just be easier to put into a format that does that09:11
Burgundaviatoo bad scribus is qt and has a crappy UI09:11
Burgundaviaplus uses some oddball file format09:11
cbx33jsgotangco: NRPE?09:12
cbx33Burgundavia: Iused scribus to do those mockup changes09:12
cbx33sorry09:12
cbx33mockup pages09:12
Burgundaviasad thing is, there a great spec called SVG Print that scribus should be using09:13
cbx33sure09:14
jsgotangcocbx33: used for monitoring external hosts' resources09:17
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cbx33I wrote a plugin for it to monitor windows disc space09:19
jsgotangcowow that would be useful for me09:26
cbx33jsgotangco: do you want it?09:29
cbx33do you want the SMS messaging plugin too?09:29
jsgotangcocbx33: i'd be thankful09:38
cbx33what's ya mail address?09:38
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YagisanBye all.09:47
pygibye Yagisan 09:47
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jsgotangcocbx33: jgotangco@ubuntu.com would do09:48
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pips1ogra, when is the next flight going to be released?10:28
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cbx33jsgotangco: ok will do soon10:59
Burgundaviapips1, I think it is scheduled for wedneday this week11:00
ogragrmbl https://launchpad.net/bugs/4476611:04
ograpips1, no idea, ubuntu wanted to start preparing one on friday, which didnt happen11:04
ograedubuntu is apart fromm amd64 being 290k oversized in order11:05
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jsgotangcolet's drop ltsp11:06
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ograhaha11:07
pips1ogra, Burgundavia, cheers11:07
ografirst lets get NZ on the world map11:07
ogra*sigh*11:07
cbx33ogra: seen the updates to the wikifrontpage?11:10
pips1ogra, you are right, it's missing on the chalkboard map! 11:10
pips18-O11:10
ograpips1, i know... we took a design agency this time to avoid *any* artwork discussion11:10
ograapparently that doesnt work :/11:11
jsgotangcolol11:11
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jsgotangcoogra: don't worry, we'll say NZ got took over by AU and declared it an island11:11
ograheh, ok11:11
pips1ogra, don't grumble so much, at least there is the newly discovered "edubuntu atoll" on the map! ;-)11:14
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jsgotangcoJaneW: wohoooo11:16
pips1jugding from the map, it's a rather coooold place far south (pips1 is twisting a knife in ogra's wound) ;-)11:16
juliuxmorning11:16
jsgotangcoogra: wohooo11:16
ograwohooo ?11:17
jsgotangcovous voir  Paris !11:18
cbx33YAY11:18
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ograyay11:19
jsgotangcohehe11:43
ogracbx33, i dont see any difference on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki11:50
ograhmm, and the css of www.edubuntu.org is broken11:50
ogra(and showing a drupal favicon)11:50
pips1ogra, I was wondering about that actually.11:51
ogralets wait for highvoltage11:52
ograhe'll know whats going on11:52
pips1what is currently shown is a different drupal skin, a basic skin which develpers often like to use to develop their own new skin...11:52
ograyep11:53
pips1so I was guessing that highvoltage was working on it...11:53
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pips1btw, unfortunately I'm very busy with work this week still, but I am hoping to be able to do more edubuntu stuff again soon :-)11:54
cbx33ogra: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiMock12:01
cbx33ogra: we know about the edubuntu.org12:01
cbx33from what I know it is being worked on - it was the upgrade of drupal that broke it12:01
ograah, thanks fr the info :)12:02
cbx33I have editor rights to the site, but there was something broken which meant I couldn't edit something the other day12:02
ograbtw, the homies are in da house :) i added them to edubuntu-artwork yesterday ;)12:02
jsgotangcooh cool12:02
ogra"You can now also order CD's from the ShipIt site at the click of a button, free of charge. Edubuntu to your doorstep!"12:03
jsgotangcoEHHH???12:03
ogramake that: "Text Install CDs"12:03
jsgotangcoare we getting pressed?12:04
ogra(and please drop the apostrope, else Kamion will kill us ;) )12:04
ograjsgotangco, sure, why shouldnt we12:04
cbx33yikes sorry ogra didn't see that there12:04
cbx33ogra: yay for the homies12:04
ogra:)12:04
jsgotangcoogra: i just didnt expect it for dapper12:04
jsgotangco(was looking into eft12:04
jsgotangco)12:04
cbx33ogra: feel free to edit the wiki12:04
ograalso i'm not sure we should list the MeetingRecords page, its very outdated12:05
jsgotangcowhat is 15.1 CD about?12:05
cbx33ogra: well I havn't worked that section yet12:06
ograa drop in size of amd6412:06
ograbut it still wasnt enough :/ 12:06
jsgotangcoi notice that12:06
jsgotangcoits still big12:06
cbx33but I think it would be excellet if we could have meeting notes12:06
ograi'll have to find another 280k 12:06
jsgotangcoremove the berlin wall???12:07
ogracbx33, yes, but there is something else in the works afaik12:07
cbx33ah right, nice ok12:07
cbx33apart from that, does the overall page look any better?12:07
ograabsolutely, great work :)12:07
ograjsgotangco, then the splash screen wont fit the colors anymore :P12:08
ograbooting edubuntu to the desktop looks quite intrestiong now ... golden usplash, light brownish gdm, login background color is in a light chalkboard green now, then you get the blueish gnome splash and end with the chalkboard wallpaper12:12
ograits walking you though a lot of colors ...12:12
cbx33hmmm12:13
cbx33but does it work?12:13
cbx33from an asthetic point of view?12:13
ograwell ...12:13
ograwhat do you expect me to say :)12:14
jsgotangcolol12:15
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cbx33I'll let lisa know the homies have a crib now12:16
cbx33jsgotangco: mail sent :p12:26
cbx33ogra: you got a sec?12:30
cbx33wondered if you had any ideas about my LTSP problems12:31
jsgotangcocbx33: thanks, i'll brb01:01
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cbx333LTSP just won't login with a mapped home dir when logging in as an LTSP client01:42
cbx333I can log onto the server fine01:42
cbx333any ideas guys?01:42
ogranope01:43
cbx333any special logs to check?01:44
cbx333auth is fine01:44
cbx333but i can't see why it's bombing out01:45
ogranope, and its nothing i can demotae any thoughts to yet, we dont support it yet01:45
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mhzBackIn4hrsre02:18
mhzBackIn4hrshi all02:18
mhzBackIn4hrsooops, jerome has left02:18
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cbx33sorry about that....my server went down AGAIN !02:19
cbx33ok ogra I have some logs for my problem02:19
cbx33also gcompris didn't work over ltsp, is that a known bug?02:19
ogracbx33, as i said before, foreign mounted homedirs are not in the planning for dapper and we are 17 days from release, i dont have the time to care for it atm02:21
cbx33what bout gcompris crash02:21
cbx33sorry ogra i didnt get the message before02:21
cbx33my server bombed out02:22
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ograno idea about gcompris, seems to work here02:22
cbx33ogra: over ltsp?02:22
ograyes02:23
cbx33ok02:23
cbx33it also prevented the user who had caused the crash from logging into that machien again02:23
cbx33until the machine was restarted02:23
jsgotangcogcorpis is evil, capable of doing WTF bugs02:24
cbx33yes02:24
cbx33works fine on the local machine02:27
mhzjsgotangco: hey02:31
jsgotangcomhz: hey! long time no chat dude02:31
mhzjsgotangco: I already translated the firefox index page about edubuntu into spanish02:31
mhzindeed02:31
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jsgotangcomhz: hmmm, we have a dilemna on the firefox page...but i'll let ogra think about it02:32
mhzjsgotangco: and wonder why it is -es_AR instead of -es_LA or _CL02:32
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jsgotangcomhz: i really have no idea with regards to localisation in firefox02:34
jsgotangcoit looks really painful from the wiki page02:34
mhzhehehe02:34
mhzhmmm02:34
mhzand where should I direct this translation to?02:34
jsgotangcowell actually you have to ask ogra about it02:35
jsgotangcothe batch for ubuntu was done by ian but then, he's the master of all02:35
mhzAlso, all ulrs link to english pages. Can we have them link to spanish pages? 02:35
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jsgotangcoyou will have to change the links yourself02:35
mhzoh yeah, Master of Puppets02:35
mhzsure02:36
mhzbut I can't just do it without asking for "permission" first :)02:36
cbx33mhz: :p hehe02:37
mhzcbx33: you know02:37
mhzogra: ? suggestions/directions?02:38
cbx33heheh02:39
cbx33what links are you wanting to change where? - I'd ask ogra any way :p02:39
mhzthe ones at Firefox index02:39
mhz(default page)02:40
mhzthey point towards english existing pages02:40
mhzand if I have translated the page into spanish, the least I can do is direct people to spanish pages, too :)02:40
cbx33ah i see02:40
cbx33indeed02:40
mhzNow, I could use linking to ubuntu-cl.org02:41
cbx33are there spanish translations of all the links?02:41
mhzbut that may seem a little, "yes, we want you!"02:41
mhzI can get 1 more translator to help he very quickly and have all done by thursday02:41
mhzhe = me02:42
cbx33I think ogra would be your best bet here02:42
mhzyup, ogra is Mr. Edubuntu (or smurf daddy?)02:43
cbx33hehe02:43
cbx33mhz: would you or anyone else be able to translate our Schools Advocacy page once it's done?02:44
jsgotangcolate dinner brb02:44
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mhzcbx33: into spanish?02:47
mhzsure! (how many pages?)02:47
mhzshiiiippps!02:47
cbx33mhz: I'll link you hang on02:47
cbx33this isn't the final version it's still WIP02:47
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mhzcbx33: no prob.02:48
cbx33https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/LaserJock02:48
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mhzcbx33: hmmmm, its about 11 pages02:51
mhz(letter paper size)02:51
cbx33:p02:51
mhzWhat I can do is post it to edubuntu-devel-es02:51
cbx33np02:51
mhzand see if more tanslators raise once and for all. (they are kind of lazy)02:51
mhzOR02:52
cbx33hehe02:52
mhzwe could state priorities: what is more urgent?02:52
cbx33but remember it's not ready yet02:52
cbx33this is not urgent02:52
mhzadvocay? or the links from Firefox index?02:52
cbx33the advocacy02:52
mhzwill this be the default page?02:53
mhz(for firefox, I mean)02:53
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mhzactually, it has LOTS of useful info02:54
mhzand directions02:54
mhzit is a very nice summary of Edubuntu, afaik02:54
mhzwell, time to go driving 02:54
cbx33it's not going to be the default02:54
mhzbut?02:54
mhz(there's always a but)02:55
cbx33but it is hopefully going to be printied in english02:55
mhzhehehe02:55
cbx33and sent to schools02:55
mhzoh, i see, then it is IMPORTANT02:55
cbx33hehe02:55
mhzand how soon would that be "done" (ready)02:55
cbx33bt the end of the week definitely02:55
mhzokis, so, I'll post it to the edubunut-devel-es and02:56
mhzask people to work on it as a subpage at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/LaserJock/es02:57
mhzin the mean time, I'll be wrking on the index page of firefox02:57
cbx33mhz: 02:57
mhz?02:57
cbx33it is available on the svn repo02:57
mhzyeah BUT02:57
cbx33and that is the most up to date version02:57
cbx33I will port it across to the wiki when it's done02:58
cbx33just giving yo ua heads up :p02:58
mhzI have no svn, no terminal, no linux on the computers I have with me right now.. (long story) so I actually kind of work in LiveSystem :)02:58
cbx33hehe02:58
mhztherefore it is a real pain in the neck to generate work unless it is wiki or gmail :D02:59
cbx33i see02:59
mhzactually the firefox page I transleated it via nano :D02:59
cbx33nice02:59
cbx33nano rawks03:00
mhzso I still need to ad those special spanish characters03:00
mhzyup, though I'd prefer emacs :D03:00
jsgotangcoyou'll have a very very limited time frame to translate it considering we're just 3 weeks till rlesae03:00
mhzAND, if openssh-server was a default package in Ubuntu CD's, my life would have been a little bit easier03:00
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mhzjsgotangco: sure, I know03:01
jsgotangcomhz: get ubuntu-server it has openssh sever by default03:01
mhzjsgotangco: that's why I decided to get late to work so I can chat with you guys ASAP and try to do some work at break times :)03:01
mhzjsgotangco: I know, but this should be 'default', IMHO03:02
jsgotangcoeven on a desktop?03:02
mhzsometimes, me at least, I need to have certain minimum rescue tools ;)03:02
mhzyup03:02
mhzesp. on LiveCD03:02
jsgotangcomhz: that is soooo wrong03:02
mhzhmmm, ptobably right (you got more experience than me) BUT, so far, openssh-server has been a very important friend to me03:03
jsgotangcolivecd perhaps but desktop text install no way03:03
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mhzoh, well, yes. For me, Live CD = desktop03:03
ograthats why its on all the CDs ;)03:03
mhzhmmmm03:03
jsgotangcoogra: exactly03:03
mhzBreezy LiveCD had no openssh-0server03:04
ograits just not installed since we dont offer *any* open ports to the outside world except in a ltsp install03:04
mhzunless I was sooooo blind03:04
ograbut you can install it without network access03:04
jsgotangcomhz: if it was default as well, every user you add unless explicitly indicated has shell access03:04
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mhzhmmm, ogra, when I downloades edubuntu-install-beta (it is a server concept, IMHO) openssh-server did not get installed03:06
mhz(netboot at least, I will check on the Lab later on)03:06
ograopenssh server is installed by edubuntu-server in the default install03:07
ograelse ltsp wouldnt work at all03:07
mhzhmmm, then it means I will see it tomorrow at the lab03:07
mhzyeah03:07
ograits not installed in the workstation version (and will never be)03:08
jsgotangcono way03:08
mhzokis, I get it.03:08
ograthe liveCd is the wrokstation version03:08
mhzoooh03:08
ogra(and installs the workstatiion version, since there are no ltsp parts on the Cd)(03:08
mhzmaybe it is I was very used to Gentoo LiveCD's (the install one are also Live in text mode and have tons of great tools)03:09
mhzthen, anyways LiveCD is useful as a rescue mode?03:09
ograif you make 800MB CD the default worldwide, we can discuss a server installing liveCD ;)03:10
mhzLOL03:10
mhzokis, I wont insist then03:10
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jsgotangcoyou could always install ubuntu-server and have openssh-server by default (plust some nice LAMP integration)03:10
jsgotangcobut then, that's a server heh03:11
ograor edubuntu-server and have ltsp by default (including openssh-server ;) )03:11
mhzyup, I know, my point was "live modes" are a very powerful tool, esp. when rescuing03:11
ograthats why we have openssh-client in all our installs ;)03:11
mhzogra: yeah, you know I am 100% happy with edubuntu server03:12
ograits great for rescuing03:12
mhzhmmmm, yeah, BUT openssh-server is great to get .bz2 packages from prior OS into current HD03:13
ogramhz, btw, i thought you wanted to boycott the liveCD installer :)03:13
mhzlol!03:13
mhzno way!03:13
ograit needs at least 256M, you know that ? 03:13
ogra(or an existing swap partition)03:14
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mhzof course, swap :)03:14
mhzogra: just remember I face many non-internet netwroks and so my backups are .bz2 usually 03:15
mhzfor some reasons, Gentoo LiveCD #1 (not #2) has been my unconditional friend when rescuing or backing up03:15
mhzanyways.... I will continue translating and ask the question later again "where should I direct the translated pages"03:16
mhzBye, jsgotangco, cbx33 and ogra 03:16
mhzsee ya later03:17
jsgotangcomhz: ciao03:17
mhzciao03:17
mhz:D03:17
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lucasvoI have a problem building my ltsp chroot on ppc04:18
lucasvoW: Failure to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/powerpc dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.9ubuntu4_powerpc.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.11-powerpc.deb04:20
lucasvooh crap, I missed ogra again04:20
cbx33yup gcompris has really screwed up my users04:43
cbx33it could possibly be a screenres issue i think04:43
cbx33but then...hmmm04:44
cbx33ah I give up I don;t know what's causing it04:44
lucasvothis is a PITA05:06
lucasvoI can't build the ltsp chroot05:06
Laser_awayJaneW: thanks :-)05:07
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kwwiihi all05:15
cbx33YAY I have a migrane05:18
cbx33:(05:18
cbx33and just when I wanted to get some work done05:19
juliuxhi kwwii 05:20
kwwiihowdy juliux05:20
juliuxLaser_away, and got you an e-mail?05:20
cbx33ph this migrane is bad05:24
cbx33I can hardly see05:24
cbx33the left side of my vision is a blur05:24
kwwiisounds nasty05:25
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mhzre05:28
mhzjuliux, hi there05:31
juliuxhi mhz 05:31
mhzjuliux, are you using edubuntu breezy?05:32
juliuxmhz, no, i have install dapper05:32
mhzIn Breezy, i get an error  when trying to mount Floppy "Error: el UDI introducido no es un volmen montable"05:33
mhzwhich means "the UDI is not a mountable volume"05:33
mhzI can mount it easily via commandline05:33
mhzBUT users here (teachers) want them to be shown at desktop, just like CD's do05:34
mhzAny ideas?05:34
mhzHowever, in Dapper, I got no such error :)05:37
juliuxmhz, that is an known bug in nautilus i thin there is a solution postet on ubuntuforums.org05:37
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mhzooh, i'll look it up05:38
mhzjuliux, indeed, solution (simplest one) is to install 'pmount'06:03
juliuxmhz, hehe06:04
mhzweired thing is 5.04 did have it06:04
mhzand my guess is Dapper has it too06:04
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mhzhighvoltage, re mon06:38
highvoltagehey mon06:39
highvoltagehow are you doin mon?06:39
juliuxhi highvoltage 06:44
highvoltagehey juliux 06:45
highvoltageman, linuxworld seems like it's going to be a bit of a disaster this year06:45
highvoltageour stand is *tiny*06:45
juliuxhighvoltage, do you have a picture?06:46
highvoltagejuliux: no, not yet06:47
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LaserJockjuliux: yes, I did06:49
juliuxLaserJock, and?06:52
LaserJockI'm heading to Paris ;-)06:52
highvoltageLaserJock: cool :)06:53
juliuxhave fun06:53
LaserJockI'm guessing I will06:54
LaserJocklots of work though06:54
elliot_anyone here doing a multi architecture boot of macs off an i386 box?06:55
mhzhighvoltage, one of the potential supporters from Gov. has just told us that "the curriculums seem to be lacking of consistency" crap. So we gotta re-submit the curriculums06:56
mhz:(06:56
highvoltageLaserJock: i'm goin too :)06:57
highvoltagemhz: curriculum is always difficult, no matter which country, or platform you're using. no one has gotten that right yet, unfortunately :/06:58
=== mhz wanna be in Paris too :D
highvoltage(would be good if someone could, even if it was Microsoft, then at least you had that 'formula')06:58
mhzhighvoltage, but they are so stupid! what do they want? PhD in FLOSS?06:59
highvoltagemhz: it is, the best you can do is smoosh them06:59
mhzhighvoltage, that is one of the many reasons why having Mark support would have made this story a whole diff one06:59
mhzAnyways, 3 of the 9 curriculums have been noted as "good! these guys deserve the funds" So, tonite I'll be trying to version one curriculum layout into english07:01
highvoltageyeah, but imho, it's better not to rely on that07:01
highvoltagewhat would you have done in a world where there wasn't an sabdfl?07:01
LaserJockhighvoltage: great, I think jerome is as well07:01
mhzof course. As a matter of fact, Mark has already said no (in April)07:01
highvoltagei tend to think like that, instead.07:01
mhzhighvoltage, sure, hence I have had the balls to insist here, without his support07:02
mhzit's is just that when I get these 'stops' kills me07:02
highvoltagemhz: which i admire in a big way07:03
highvoltagemhz: i feel like that too, often.07:03
mhzhehe, thx07:03
highvoltagemhz: i get lots of stops too, and it does get me down, but now and again someone say or does something that gets me going again07:03
mhzhighvoltage, did google translator work (somehow) for the Program I sent?07:03
mhzoh, yeah! like Dapper release!07:04
highvoltagemhz: it worked surprisingly well, i could understand everything07:04
mhzwow107:04
mhzcool!07:04
mhzdid you like the program?07:04
highvoltagei had some questions about it.. but i can't remember what it was... i printed the translated version and highlighted some things i wanted to know more about, but that's lying on my desk in cape town.07:05
highvoltagegtg, talk again later07:05
highvoltagetake care!07:05
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Bluekujahi pygi07:42
pygihi andrea07:42
Bluekuja:)07:42
Bluekujayou told me yesterday that you work on packaging07:42
Bluekujais that right?07:42
pygierghhh, depends what you need :)07:43
Bluekujaare you good in packaging .deb packages?07:43
pygias I said...read upper :)07:44
Bluekujawell i'm having a problem with the makefile07:44
Bluekujaafter running dh_make07:44
Bluekujaand checking license/docs etc07:45
pygihm, what are you packaging?07:45
Bluekujai was packaging the new ircd-hybrid 07:45
pygioki, you can send me what you did for now, and I will look into it07:46
pygiI can't promise it will be any time soon tho :(07:46
pygiyou know my mail?07:47
Bluekujawell no07:47
pygimario dot danic at gmail dot com07:48
Bluekujaokie great07:48
Bluekujajust a moment07:48
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pygihey JaneW 07:49
kwwiihi JaneW07:50
kwwiiRiddell mentioned that I should talk to you about the edubuntu usplash07:50
Bluekujapygi: arrived?07:53
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pyginop,. not yet07:54
Bluekujaoki wait07:55
pygiBluekuja, how urgent is that?07:55
Bluekujawell i want to finish it for this week07:56
Bluekujaarrived now?07:56
pygiargh, this week? :-/07:57
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Bluekujamaybe not07:57
Bluekujaevelution crashed07:57
pygiits not here :-/07:57
Bluekujalet me restart 07:57
Bluekujaevolution07:58
Bluekuja^^07:58
LaserJockBluekuja: if you need packaging help #ubuntu-motu is a good place to ask08:03
kwwiiok, night all08:06
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BluekujaLaserJock: tnx very much for the suggestion08:17
Bluekujapygi: arrived now?08:17
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pygiargh, no?08:18
Bluekujawtf?08:18
Bluekujamario.danic@gmail.com08:18
Bluekujathats right08:18
pygiyou just let spambots eat my address :P08:18
pygiindeed :P08:18
Bluekujalol08:18
Bluekujai was having somje problems with the smtp server^^08:19
Bluekuja*SOME08:19
pygiand you still let bots eat my address :P08:19
pygigah08:19
Bluekujalol08:20
Bluekujawell, i've sent something like 10 emails to see if was working again08:20
Bluekuja:)08:20
pygihm, I got none :P08:20
Bluekujai give you a link08:20
Bluekujaso you can download it^^08:21
pygiI refuse to download it :)08:21
pygiI want mail :P08:21
Bluekujalol08:22
Bluekujaoki08:22
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pygiBluekuja, around?08:49
Bluekujapygi: yes08:56
Bluekuja:)08:56
Bluekujapygi?08:59
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LaserJockhi cbx33 09:10
cbx33hi LaserJock 09:10
cbx33did you see Corey's comments earlier09:10
cbx33Burgwork, I have a patch to give you, will probably do it tomorrow now09:11
cbx33sorry guys I'm just checking in, I have had a splitting migrane all afternoon/evening09:11
LaserJockI think I saw them09:11
cbx33need to rest09:11
Bluekujaoi cbx3309:12
Bluekuja:)09:12
cbx33hi Bluekuja 09:12
Burgworkcbx33, sent it to LaserJock, as I am going to be out tonight09:14
cbx33ok Burgwork 09:15
cbx33LaserJock, will hopefully get a patch to you in a while with a Firefox description09:16
LaserJockok, I just read the backlog09:16
LaserJockI agree with Burgwork 09:16
LaserJockabout a para for oo.org and firefox09:16
LaserJockI was just concerned about how big this pamplet is going to be with screenshots, etc.09:17
cbx33yes i know09:17
cbx33well09:17
cbx33we can always make ESA big for the wiki09:17
cbx33then downsize for the pamphlet09:17
cbx33it's not goign to hurt09:17
LaserJocksure, and I think the screenshots could be smaller on the pamphlet too09:18
LaserJockok, well whenever you have something just send me an email and I'll apply it09:18
cbx33LaserJock, it's gonna be coming your way in about 5-1009:20
LaserJockfine, and get some rest for your headache09:20
cbx33it's getting better09:22
cbx33but I'd better not do too much09:22
cbx33but ubuntu work is addictive09:22
LaserJockmhmm09:22
cbx33LaserJock, d'ya get my patch?09:34
cbx33right that's me done for the night09:36
LaserJockhmm, not yet09:36
cbx33i mailed it to you09:36
LaserJock:/09:37
cbx33heheh09:37
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Bluekujaoi pygi09:45
pygioi Bluekuja 09:45
pygiplease also send problem, because otherwise I will forget it :)09:45
Bluekujalol okie09:46
Bluekujadone09:47
LaserJockcbx33: committed09:48
pygiBluekuja, thanks :)09:49
Bluekujapygi: np, tnx to you09:49
pygido not thank me please :)09:49
Bluekujaokie^^09:50
pygi:)09:51
cbx33thanks LaserJock how did it look09:55
cbx33ok, LaserJock, Bluekuja, Burgwork, I think I'm goign to set another deadline of the end of this week for the final draft, if that sounds ok to you guys09:58
cbx33so screenshots, Burgwork's changes09:58
Burgworkcbx33, that works for me09:58
cbx33and polishing09:58
cbx33nice thanx Burgwork 09:58
cbx33did you see my patch has been commited 09:58
cbx33just a bit on FF09:58
cbx33what oather apps do yo uthink need making more of09:59
BurgworkI would talk about gcompris and OO.o09:59
cbx33OO, has a section already09:59
Bluekujacbx33: great09:59
cbx33make more of it I thought into possibly different applications09:59
cbx33like calc, writer ?09:59
cbx33gcompris craswhed out all my LTSP clients today09:59
Burgworkno, I wouldn't go into each app10:00
cbx33I was not happy, can;t isolate the bug either10:00
cbx33okie dokie10:00
cbx33well there is a section on it already10:00
cbx33if you think of anyt more just mail me10:00
cbx33I'm off work tomorrow resting I can write them then10:00
cbx33my migrane means I won;t be able to cope with tomorrow10:00
cbx33I have a work experience guy with me and all the general hastle of kids wanting everything10:01
cbx33plus my colleague10:01
cbx33sheeesh10:01
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LaserJockno breaks allowed until June 1st10:02
Bluekujalol10:02
LaserJockok, I'm off to a meeting, bbib10:03
cbx33LaserJock, that's why I'll be working on my rest day tomorrow10:03
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cbx33hey highvoltage 10:05
cbx33if you get a chance, check out the updates to the wikimock10:06
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cbx33nn all10:17
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kwwiihi all10:22
kwwiiJaneW: ping?10:23
pygikwwii, I higly doubt JaneW is here now :)10:27
kwwiipygi: cool, thanks for the info....do you know when she is around?10:27
kwwiiI wanted to talk to JaneW about making an edubuntu bootsplash pic10:28
pygiaround hm...8:00 UTC to round 13:00 UTC or something?10:28
kwwiipygi: thanks :-)10:28
kwwiithat is pretty early!10:28
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pygihm, early? what do you call non-sleeping then? :)10:29
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kwwiipygi: well, sometime around 9, not before :-)10:45
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pygikwwii, do you already have that bootsplash?10:54
kwwiipygi: nope, thought I should ask before starting this time :-)10:56
pygiindeed :P10:56
Phlostenhello all10:58
pygihi Phlosten 10:59
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pygio hi, sivang 11:12

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