[12:33] <Phlosten> morning all
[12:48] <mhz> hi you all
[01:21] <mhz> HedgeMage: hey mon, could you edit wiki pages in the end?
[01:27] <HedgeMage> mhz: I don't think I get what you're asking
[01:27] <mhz> HedgeMage: is it me or last week (maybe thursday) you could not edit wiki pages? (maybe it was another person)
[01:28] <HedgeMage> ahh ok yes I did something dumb :P
[01:28] <HedgeMage> it's fine now
[01:48] <HedgeMage> thanks!
[01:48] <mhz> yw
[03:05] <Phlosten> new edubuntu artwork = schweet
[03:05] <bimberi> Phlosten: do you have the new chalkboard wallpaper?
[03:06] <Phlosten> yeah
[03:06] <bimberi> Phlosten: does it have NZ on it?
[03:06] <Phlosten> i love it
[03:06] <Phlosten> and the splash screen looks awesome
[03:06] <Phlosten> oh, yeah. no NZ
[03:06] <Phlosten> maybe you need widescreen for NZ ;)
[03:07] <bimberi> hm - yes the version i saw didn't either :) - i'm not up to date though
[03:07] <Phlosten> i just did an update from the latest daily cd
[03:07] <bimberi> actually s/:)//
[03:07] <Phlosten> bimberi, my ltsp is still not working though :/
[03:07] <bimberi> i reckon it's a gaffe myself
[03:08] <bimberi> hm :(
[03:08] <HedgeMage> I'll bbiab, taking TT on an errand
[03:09] <bimberi> so your client still only boots to a text login prompt and ctrl-alt-F7 doesn't work?
[03:09] <Phlosten> i just had to go out and spend $40 on another calculator, a certain 3 year old decided to hide mine somewhere 
[03:09] <Phlosten> bimberi, same flashing cursor
[03:09] <bimberi> lol (3yo), :/ (cursor)
[03:11] <Phlosten> i bought a casio one that shows maths functions in textbook form, very odd
[03:11] <bimberi> Phlosten: well, as you know I don't know what the issue is sorry - others here might (hopefully)
[03:11] <Phlosten> you do 1 divided by 3 and the answer is 1/3
[03:11] <Phlosten> is the firefox default welcome page meant to be so boring?
[03:15] <Burgundavia> Phlosten, you mean the giant pile of text?
[03:15] <Phlosten> there is no style with it
[03:16] <Phlosten> just plain text
[03:16] <Burgundavia> hmm, that is likely a bug
[03:16] <Burgundavia> it should be getting some css love
[03:17] <Phlosten> the page references edubuntu.css but there is only a ubuntu.css
[03:18] <Phlosten> just a typo
[03:18] <Phlosten> typo bug
[03:23] <Phlosten> i have to get back to some school work I am supposed to be doing, bbl
[04:03] <mhz> hmmm, I am trying to translate Dapper Drake into spanish...
[04:03] <mhz> according to my dictionary, it would be something like "handsome Drake"
[04:03] <mhz> does that make any sense?
[04:03] <mhz> or Drake is a kind of bird?
[04:04] <mhz> YES!, believe it or not, after all these months is the first time I have to translate this :D
[04:05] <bimberi> !dict drake
[04:05] <ubotu> Dictionary 'drake' (2 shown): English explorer and admiral who was the first Englishman to circumnavigate the globe and who helped to defeat the Spanish Armada (1540-1596) ;; adult male of a wild or domestic duck.
[04:11] <bimberi> !dict dapper
[04:11] <ubotu> Dictionary 'dapper' marked by smartness in dress and manners; "a dapper young man"; "a jaunty red hat" 
[04:12] <kgoetz> hm. ubuntu 6.06 - the jaunty pome. :)
[04:15] <bimberi> hehe
[04:24] <Amaranth> jaunty fedora?
[04:25] <LaserJock> hmm, no
[04:36] <Burgundavia> mhz, drake is a also a kind of dragon
[04:36] <Burgundavia> mhz, Mark has been very quiet about whether it is a duck or a dragon
[04:37] <Burgundavia> mhz, also, as it a product name, I don't think it should actually be translated
[05:25] <Amaranth> it's not a product name
[05:25] <Amaranth> it's a development code name
[05:35] <arkan0x> mhz, ! ping
[05:35] <arkan0x> mhz, !
[05:38] <HedgeMage> lol
[05:38] <HedgeMage> I think mhz said something earlier about going to bed.
[05:39] <arkan0x> oks ;)
[05:40] <HedgeMage> don't quote me though, it's been a long day here :)
[06:19] <HedgeMage> hi Yagisan
[06:19] <Yagisan> G'day HedgeMage
[06:19] <HedgeMage> What's up?
[06:20] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: watching my daughter piss my wife off
[06:20] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: she just made all the clean washing dirty again
[06:20] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: ouch
[06:20] <HedgeMage> how old?
[06:21] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: 2
[06:21] <HedgeMage> hehehe
[06:21] <HedgeMage> good plan
[06:22] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: other then that, looking to see how hard it will be to port some software to amd64
[06:22] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: if she gets really mad, let her know that at that age, I was packing to move our household to another state and TT found a Sharpie where a piece of furniture used to be... destroyed my couch and love seat :(
[06:23] <HedgeMage> hot pink on top of french country (blue and white plaid with a tiny bit of yellow)
[06:24] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: ouch. My little princess doesn't understand, that mum has been washing almost all day just to keep up with ker mess
[06:24] <HedgeMage> it's a hard spot between knowing they didn't mean it, and knowing they need to learn
[06:25] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I swear, I think that is all my wife ever does - just washing their stuff
[06:25] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: you could go help :P
[06:25] <HedgeMage> brb mommy duty
[06:25] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: been there, tried that. I'm now banned from using the washing machine
[06:25] <HedgeMage> rofl that bad?
[06:25] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: apparently I wasn't supposed to put the wool in there
[06:26] <Yagisan> pfft - sheep don't shrink when they get wet
[06:27] <HedgeMage> roflmao
[06:28] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: I have clearly labeled laundry bins with a description of what can and can't go in them and how the contents are to be washed and dried
[06:28] <HedgeMage> hubby's learned to read carefully
[06:29] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: well, the label was in Japanese (no aussie wool  symbol), so I tossed it in. Aparrently it was very expensive
[06:29] <HedgeMage> ouch
[06:29] <Yagisan> hmm. warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size is bad isn't it
[06:30] <HedgeMage> yep
[06:30] <HedgeMage> means it'll be useless
[06:30] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I'm not a bad cook though. My like likes me cooking
[06:30] <HedgeMage> or just bork everything :P
[06:30] <HedgeMage> cool
[06:31] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: oh, we get a seg fault :)
[06:31] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I find it odd that the guy with 4 days worth of C gets the port to amd64 task
[06:32] <HedgeMage> ouch!
[06:32] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: your hubby cook ?
[06:32] <HedgeMage> he can do simple stuff
[06:32] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: my kitchen is a piece of shit. Never can get the elements hot enough (wish I had gas)
[06:32] <HedgeMage> I would prefer gas, too
[06:32] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: so hard to get things done right
[06:33] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I tend to cook more when stressed, so my wife hasn't had to cook for more then a week now
[06:33] <HedgeMage> If it were my own house, I'd totally deck out the kitchen.  My dad repairs, installs, and occassionally custom-builds commercial and industrial cooking equipment for a living, so I learned a lot and have access to factory prices :)
[06:34] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: heh, I cook more under stress, too :)
[06:35] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I whacked off 6 main meals in 3.5 hours. Had the stove, oven and microwave running continuously 
[06:35] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: thenI had to find room in my midget freezer for them
[06:35] <HedgeMage> lol
[06:35] <HedgeMage> we have the world's smallest kitchen here
[06:36] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: smaller then mine, that is hard to believe. Some turd decided we had to have the laundry in my kitchen
[06:36] <mhz> Yagisan: HEY MY MON!!!!
[06:36] <Yagisan> G'day mhz!
[06:37] <Laser_away> I try cooking with my wife and she always sends me out of the kitchen
[06:37] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: ditto here
[06:37] <HedgeMage> hi mhz 
[06:37] <Yagisan> Laser_away: I kick my wife out of the kitchen
[06:37] <HedgeMage> Laser_away: go hang out in ##cooking and learn :P  </shameless plug>
[06:37] <Yagisan> anyone seen Iron Chef (the Japanese one) ?
[06:37] <Laser_away> she wants me to help and then she says that I take over
[06:37] <Laser_away> Yagisan: sure
[06:38] <mhz> Yagisan: it is SOOOOO NICE to see ya here
[06:38] <Yagisan> yeah - I do an IC in the kitchen
[06:38] <HedgeMage> nope, no cable tv
[06:38] <HedgeMage> or regular tv for that matter
[06:38] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: torrents! (actually I've got a few ...)
[06:38] <Laser_away> HedgeMage: I see it when I go to my grandpa's house
[06:38] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: hehe
[06:38] <Yagisan> mhz: yeah - I'm actually on my local timezone for once
[06:39] <mhz> hi HedgeMage 
[06:39] <mhz> still here, uh
[06:39] <Yagisan> I take whatever crap that is left, and see how many meals I can make out of it
[06:39] <mhz> Yagisan: lol
[06:39] <Yagisan> ahh. lunch. bbl
[06:40] <mhz> lunch?
[06:40] <mhz> already?
[06:40] <HedgeMage> btw, if anyone here is in Washington, USA and interested in a launch party let me know... I think I've been drafted to throw one :P
[06:41] <Laser_away> HedgeMage: darn, I'd love to live up there some time. I'd come if I did :-)
[06:42] <HedgeMage> :)
[06:42] <HedgeMage> mhz: sweet dreams
[06:42] <HedgeMage> btw, anyone else here have jabber so I can add you to my roster?  (or want it and I'll add you to my server?)
[06:43] <Laser_away> I've got jabber: laserjock@jabber.org
[06:43] <mhz> HedgeMage: .."are made of these...Who am I to.."
[06:44] <mhz> :)
[06:51] <mhz> Yagisan: i hope things with your wife are getting lot better
[06:51] <HedgeMage> ???
[06:52] <HedgeMage> (but don't feel required to talk about it if you don't wish to)
[06:54] <mhz> HedgeMage: lol
[06:55] <HedgeMage> mhz: what's funny?
[06:55] <mhz> my friend, Yagisan was having a bad moment, very bad because of auzzy's GOv.
[06:55] <mhz> funny you were lost and said "but don't feel required to talk about it if you don't wish to"
[06:56] <HedgeMage> I got that... heard gov + hospital so thought it might be quite horrible...
[06:56] <mhz> yup
[06:56] <mhz> it was
[06:56] <mhz> anyways, Yagisan if things are still awfull, man, I truly hope they get better SOON!
[06:58] <HedgeMage> Laser_away: added you but you aren't logged on :P
[06:58] <Laser_away> oh sorry, just a sec
[07:00] <HedgeMage> :)
[07:02] <bimberi> HedgeMage: what does it mean to be added to your roster?
[07:03] <HedgeMage> bimberi: it's what jabber calls your friends list :)
[07:03] <HedgeMage> jabber is an open, distributed IM protocol
[07:03] <Laser_away> HedgeMage: what do you use for jabber
[07:03] <bimberi> ah - kk :)
[07:03] <HedgeMage> Laser_away: same thing you do
[07:03] <HedgeMage> Psi
[07:03] <Laser_away> ah
[07:06] <Yagisan> re
[07:06] <bimberi_> hm, a well timed modem dropout - i've missed anything after my last /me
[07:07] <HedgeMage> bimberi_: all you missed was sankarshan showing up
[07:07] <Yagisan> mhz: late lunch here. 3:20pm
[07:07] <bimberi> HedgeMage: thanks :)
[07:07] <HedgeMage> np
[07:07] <mhz> Yagisan: oh
[07:08] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: mhz was referring to the fuckup with my wife @ the hospital when she gave birth
[07:08] <mhz> Yagisan: late work here on a sunday night
[07:08] <mhz> is she better?
[07:08] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: what happened?
[07:08] <Yagisan> mhz: no. expect to take another 6 months
[07:09] <mhz> Yagisan: damn!!! @#$%^*&*#@ ... sorry for my french!
[07:10] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: in a nutshell thet cut her so bad when she gave bith, her arse and vagina where one big hole, gave her a few stitches, and kicked her out of the hospital after 3 days, with no followup.
[07:10] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: basically, they crippled her
[07:10] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: my business has been effectivly shut down so I can look after her and the kids
[07:11] <Yagisan> mhz: feel free to swear, it's unlikely I'll learn a new word ;)
[07:11] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: That's horrible!
[07:12] <HedgeMage> Give her my sympathy/empathy.  I was accidentally cut as well, but not nearly that badly.
[07:12] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: yeah :( she has a hard time even going to the bathroom now
[07:13] <HedgeMage> :(
[07:13] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: 4th degree tear. it doesn't get worse then that
[07:13] <HedgeMage> :(
[07:13] <mhz> indeed
[07:13] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: does wonders for your love life too.
[07:14] <mhz> any hope Gov or hospital ever really help you/her, Yagisan  ?
[07:14] <Yagisan> mhz: no
[07:14] <Laser_away> Yagisan: that is terrible, what should be such a blessing gets turned into a horrible experience
[07:14] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: my husband left for a war zone before I healed, and I still have scar tissue, so again I can empathize.
[07:15] <Yagisan> at least our son is fine. Although, ther is zero chance of another one now
[07:16] <mhz> hmm
[07:16] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: there's always Csection or adoption.
[07:16] <HedgeMage> :(
[07:17] <HedgeMage> If/when we have another we plan to adopt... my injury wasn't that bad, I just didn't get along well with pregnancy
[07:18] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: 1st one was emergency C-Section. 2nd was that. nope, if we get another one, I'd have to give birth
[07:18] <Yagisan> mhz: no worries
[07:18] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: Medical science does crazy things these days :P
[07:18] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: again, there's always adoption :)
[07:19] <Laser_away> yeah, sorry we can't be more help
[07:19] <Yagisan> wow. I'm really depressing aren't I
[07:19] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: not at all
[07:19] <Laser_away> my sister-in-law had 3rd degree with her first
[07:19] <Yagisan> actually, listening is good.
[07:19] <Yagisan> I don't have anyone hear to listen to me except for my wife
[07:19] <Yagisan> s/hear/here
[07:19] <HedgeMage> :)
[07:20] <HedgeMage> at least we're good for something then 
[07:20] <mhz> Yagisan: you are not depressing.. that stupid Hospotal is!!!
[07:20] <Laser_away> mhz: +1
[07:20] <Yagisan> and the irony to that is, it is a major hospital, that is supposed to be good.
[07:21] <Laser_away> lol
[07:21] <Yagisan> my local hospital couldn't do a VBAC birth :(
[07:21] <mhz>  but that would not represent Ubuntu's philosophy
[07:22] <Laser_away> hmm, maybe we could give them MS for all their accounting needs ;-)
[07:22] <Yagisan> mhz: sure. Ther run a citrix metaframe on Win Xp setup. All thin clienst on the doctors offices. Local media works, and passwords are taped to the units
[07:22] <Yagisan> mhz: I ,ah, already cased the place
[07:22] <Yagisan> mhz: I decided it wasn't a challange
[07:22] <HedgeMage> ROFL
[07:23] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: well, I can't help it. Part of my day job is/was penetration testing
[07:23] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I can socially engineer my way in to almost anything
[07:23] <mhz> Yagisan: lol
[07:24] <Yagisan> mhz: oh yeah. The usb ports work too ;)
[07:24] <mhz> I promise I wouldn't stop you nor judge you if you decided to mess them up and maybe even make their system say "We owe Yagisan's wife a huge $ compensation"
[07:25] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: I just find it funny because I naturally assess every place I walk in to as a matter of course, in terms of both technological and physical threats.... from OS to exits, social engineering opportunities to improvised weapons.
[07:25] <HedgeMage> I kind of got a bad rep for it in college
[07:26] <HedgeMage> and a rather embarassing nickname from one of our gaming groups
[07:26] <Yagisan> mhz: I feel it is beneath my skills. I'd rather a more challenging hack, so I can get some satisfaction out of it, before I need to flee the country
[07:26] <HedgeMage> :)
[07:27] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I never got caught @ TAFE. hehe
[07:27] <HedgeMage> TAFE ?
[07:27] <mhz> I mean, the least they should be doing is "oh man, we f* up. Don't worry, please accept our apologies and let us work it out right away"
[07:28] <HedgeMage> mhz: just another faceless, uncaring corporation... hospitals aren't that different from the rest
[07:29] <mhz> hmmm, then... if they do not remedy it in a good way... lets try a "different approach" :D
[07:29] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: like a college (trade school ?? )
[07:29] <HedgeMage> in the end, in the US at least, they do anything possible to deny responsibility and not help (helping, they feel, is an admission of guilt) for fear of being sued (which they often deserve)
[07:29] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: ahh ok
[07:29] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: sadly that has been exported here
[07:29] <mhz> well, here too
[07:29] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: I only got "caught" a couple of times, always when someone thought it was funny to sneak up on me
[07:30] <HedgeMage> once kicked my boyfriend's butt before I knew it was him... oops
[07:30] <mhz> lol
[07:30] <HedgeMage> needless to say he didn't find it endearing
[07:30] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I modded my id card to look like staff. Put on a suit, and got into the server room >:)
[07:30] <mhz> maybe he deserved it!
[07:30] <mhz> :D
[07:31] <HedgeMage> mhz: I was putting clean sheets on the bed, someone else let him into the dorm without telling me, he thought it would be funny to sneak in behind me and pin my arms so I couldn't move... except he never made it that far
[07:31] <mhz> Yagisan: "hehe, hehe.heheh, that's cool.. hehe, yeah, cool... hehe, hehe"
[07:31] <HedgeMage> he was on the ground, breathless, with my boot to his throat before I realized who it was.
[07:32] <mhz> HedgeMage: "hehehe, yeah... heheh, hehehe, yeah, let's kick his butt, yeah, cool"
[07:32] <mhz> lol
[07:33] <HedgeMage> sounds vaguely familiar
[07:33] <mhz> of course... smurfs!
[07:33] <mhz> lol
[07:33] <mhz> nah
[07:34] <HedgeMage> ahh that's it
[07:34] <mhz> and of course they were far from being one
[07:34] <HedgeMage> I've (thankfully) seen less than that of them
[07:35] <Laser_away> s/be/bed/
[07:35] <mhz> lol
[07:35] <Yagisan> I've seen real hackers. oddly they don't all have long hear (but most do)
[07:35] <mhz> indeed
[07:35] <Yagisan> s/hear/hair
[07:35] <Laser_away> Yagisan: really?
[07:35] <mhz> and unfortunately, some of them... smell
[07:38] <Yagisan> Laser_away: yeah. My hair isn't long.
[07:38] <Laser_away> mine neither, but I don't claim to be a hacker by any stretch of the imagination
[07:38] <Yagisan> hey - who wants to help me port some big, old, software to amd64 :)
[07:39] <Yagisan> Laser_away: you don't compulsively program ?
[07:39] <Laser_away> Yagisan: I don't really know much programing, I'm a chemisty
[07:39] <Laser_away> I only know a bit of Fortran and Python
[07:39] <Laser_away> s/chemistry/chemist/
[07:40] <Yagisan> Laser_away: ah. I have 4 days of C, and get to port to strange new worlds, er, amd64 systems
[07:42] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: I'm experienced in C but have little free time... I'll answer questions if you need me to and I can, though
[07:43] <Yagisan> nice
[07:43] <Laser_away> I've got a data aquisition program (ncurse+pgplot) written in C that I'd like to port over to Python
[07:43] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: I had luck in high school
[07:43] <Laser_away> but I really don't know a  lot of C
[07:43] <Laser_away> all I know is that pointers give me problems
[07:43] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I have no trouble porting x86 asm to amd64 asm
[07:44] <Yagisan> Laser_away: speaking of which ....
[07:44] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: the nun who became priciple had a brother who was a compsci prof. at a prestigious university.  She convinced him to quit and teach at the high school (good ol' Catholic guilt trip) and I got to work with him for 4 years
[07:44] <Laser_away> cool
[07:44] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: nice. 
[07:45] <HedgeMage> s/principle/principal
[07:45] <HedgeMage> Very.
[07:45] <HedgeMage> that's half the reason I went to that school
[07:45] <HedgeMage> that guy was awesome
[07:45] <Laser_away> I try to learn programming but it seems too abstract a lot of the time. I need to have a project to code in order to get anything out of it
[07:46] <HedgeMage> Laser_away: I could teach you to code but you might hate me most of the time
[07:46] <Laser_away> probably :-)
[07:46] <Yagisan> Laser_away: I just grabbed a project I like, and am helping them become fully gpl compatible, and ensuring they stay portable
[07:46] <Laser_away> I've got to get my PhD finished first though
[07:47] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: most common warning I see is "warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size", is there a simple solution ?
[07:47] <HedgeMage> Laser_away: that teacher I mentioned was wonderful, but he really made us learn the hard way... we did all coding for tests/exams and most projects on paper, no debugger, no nothing.
[07:47] <Laser_away> but then I spend so much time on Ubuntu, I don't know that I have time to learn programming
[07:47] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: is the cast in the same context each time?
[07:48] <Laser_away> hopefully for edgy I can do some Edubuntu work
[07:48] <HedgeMage> (i.e. is it something we can figure out a regexp-able fix for?)
[07:48] <HedgeMage> (or, is it something we can work around in another automated way)
[07:50] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: there are so many of them I'll need to check the specifics.
[07:50] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: I have an idea what it might be, can you paste me an example of about three of the bad assignments (with ample context)
[07:50] <Burgundavia> Laser_away, what is the latest on esa? Can I dive into it?
[07:51] <HedgeMage> in a pastebin somewhere (preferably rafb.net/paste as they have language highlighting)
[07:51] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: with my inlaws being in town I haven't had a chance to talk with cbx33 so I'm not sure
[07:51] <Burgundavia> Laser_away, should I hold off then?
[07:52] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: I don't have any patches pending or anything so I say go for it, but I think it is sort of in a freeze state so maybe not major reworking
[07:52] <Burgundavia> I wasn't thinking major
[07:52] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: some "popping" would be nice
[07:52] <Burgundavia> it looks really good
[07:53] <Laser_away> <-- is really away now
[07:53] <Laser_away> good night folks
[07:53] <Yagisan> Goodnight Laser_away
[07:55] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/s4ROyC71.html Line 148 and line 158
[07:55] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: thanks, let me look
[07:55] <HedgeMage> (will be a bit slow I'm baking)
[07:57] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: and http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/oyqQjB43.html lines 124, 125 and 130
[07:57] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: thank you.
[07:58] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: butter-topped cornbread, but square instead of rectangular
[07:59] <HedgeMage> very nummy
[08:00] <HedgeMage> hi highvoltage 
[08:02] <Burgundavia> salut highvoltage 
[08:02] <mhz> Burgundavia: hey there
[08:04] <highvoltage> hey HedgeMage 
[08:04] <highvoltage> salut Burgundavia
[08:05] <highvoltage> morning mhz
[08:05] <mhz> highvoltage: hey, Mr. Voltage
[08:06] <highvoltage> *BZZZZZZT*
[08:06] <mhz> hehe
[08:06] <mhz> sounded like pikachoo
[08:06] <HedgeMage> :)
[08:06] <highvoltage> pikachoo is a power animal
[08:07] <highvoltage> PIKA PIKA PIKA!!!!
[08:07] <highvoltage> *BZZZZZT*
[08:07] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, I am digging into some minor wording changes on ESA. Sound good?
[08:08] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: yep. another 'native' english speaker edit would be great :)
[08:08] <highvoltage> mhz: oh yeah? well, i did the xubuntu.org page in VIM!
[08:08] <mhz> still points to /locales/index-es_AR.html instead of something like index-es_CL.html
[08:08] <highvoltage> mhz: how are things coming together that side, btw?
[08:08] <Yagisan> arghh! no. pokemon, please dear god no!
[08:09] <mhz> Yagisan: too late... already "evolved"
[08:09] <mhz> :D
[08:09] <highvoltage> i would have changed my nick now to ryachoo, but i'm unsure of that spelling :)
[08:09] <mhz> lol
[08:10] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: can you comment that hunk of code just around the error so I know what each variable involved is?
[08:10] <HedgeMage> I have a thought forming, but don't know enough to know where to go with it, and they aren't all declared in the paste AFAIS
[08:10] <mhz> Burgundavia: you are in -doc team right?
[08:11] <Burgundavia> mhz, I produce hot air, yes
[08:12] <mhz> oooh
[08:12] <HedgeMage> lol :)
[08:12] <mhz> hmm, I can't install any software into this machine until thursday
[08:13] <mhz> and spanish uses some special characters
[08:13] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: heh. I would love too, but I don't know what half if it is doing. It was an awful code base to inherit, and is taking me much longerto clean up then planned.
[08:13] <kgoetz> should edubuntu be dropping back to gdm login on 'logout' in dapper, or shoping a 'selection an option' screen?
[08:13] <mhz> ...that 'gedit' does not get (and my keyboard is english)
[08:14] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: ouch.
[08:14] <HedgeMage> yeah... here's my vague theory, not knowing what any of the vars are....
[08:14] <mhz> so, after translating firefox default index for edubuntu (into spanish)
[08:14] <mhz> I have a working html but missing these characters
[08:14] <HedgeMage> I haven't ever ported from one architecture to another, but it occurs to me that the size of a default int and/or the size of a memory address (and hence a pointer) are probably different between them
[08:15] <HedgeMage> can't narrow it down more than that without knowing the code base, sorry :(
[08:15] <HedgeMage> but if it is as I say, it should be wide-scale fixable instead of per-instance, at least in most cases
[08:15] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: Thanks
[08:15] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, there must be some good docs online for amd64 porting
[08:16] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: np wish I knew more
[08:16] <Burgundavia> it is something a lot of programs are coming up against right now
[08:16] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: the only stuff I find is for porting to win64, which doesn't work like us.
[08:17] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, I would ask in the debian community
[08:17] <Burgundavia> they are mad keen on this porting business
[08:19] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: will try. hope I don't get roasted
[08:19] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, what are you porting?
[08:25] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: oh. A game. deng (I have an older version in revu) http://sourceforge.net/projects/deng
[08:25] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, there is a debian games team that might be able to help you
[08:26] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: before or after I fix the DFSG issues ;)
[08:26] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, either, they will work with you
[08:26] <Yagisan> mhzBackIn4hrs: goodnight
[08:26] <mhzBackIn4hrs> see ya guys soon
[08:26] <mhzBackIn4hrs> Yagisan: thx
[08:26] <mhzBackIn4hrs> see ya in 4 hrs
[08:27] <mhzBackIn4hrs> (so I hope)
[08:27] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: they have an irc channel ?
[08:31] <Burgundavia> Yagisan, nope, but they do have a mailing list
[08:33] <Yagisan> Burgundavia: ok. subscribed myself.
[08:39] <HedgeMage> I'll be only somewhat here
[08:41] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, The Edubuntu difference has too many points, at 9. Can I cut that back to 7?
[08:52] <cbx33> mornin all
[08:53] <cbx33> ping highvoltage 
[08:55] <HedgeMage> cbx33: just a warning for you and pygi: when jabber says you can't change your pw it really does change, you get the error for no reason
[08:55] <cbx33> HedgeMage: ok
[08:55] <cbx33> HedgeMage: what server is running your jabber
[08:55] <cbx33> I want to set one up at the school for internal messaging?
[08:56] <Burgundavia> hey cbx33, do you have time to chat about ESA
[08:56] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:56] <cbx33> Burgundavia: sure
[08:57] <cbx33> firstly which version are you looking at
[08:57] <cbx33> the wiki one is a little stale
[08:57] <Burgundavia> cbx33, svn, as of 3032
[08:57] <cbx33> I'm going to update that one in about 5-10 mintues with the SVN repo version
[08:57] <Burgundavia> I have another commit about to hit
[08:57] <HedgeMage> cbx33: they use old jabberd but from what little I know, wildfire or ejabberd is better... some of us customers are trying to get them to migrate
[08:57] <cbx33> ok npo
[08:58] <cbx33> Burgundavia: ahhh crap, I thought my sync was going to be up todate for more than 5 minutes :p
[08:58] <cbx33> hehe
[08:58] <cbx33> so shoot how does it look to you?
[08:59] <Burgundavia> good, for the first bit
[08:59] <Burgundavia> then it all falls down
[08:59] <cbx33> ok
[08:59] <Burgundavia> I love the Edubuntu Advantage section
[08:59] <Burgundavia> Difference, I should say
[08:59] <cbx33> but the apps bit?
[08:59] <Burgundavia> it is a bit too long, but I am looking at merging it into 7
[08:59] <Burgundavia> the apps bit is flat
[08:59] <Burgundavia> it needs to be mroe than a list
[08:59] <cbx33> in what way?
[09:00] <highvoltage> cbx33: morningpong
[09:00] <Burgundavia> for the bigger apps, like FF and OO.o, we need a short para
[09:00] <cbx33> I did suggest that
[09:00] <cbx33> I did suggest that
[09:00] <Burgundavia> the rest jsut need a screenshot, with a short sentence
[09:00] <cbx33> but others said that it wasn't needed so I relented
[09:00] <Burgundavia> oh, and we need a different name than "The Tools", but I am stuck
[09:01] <cbx33> yes I agree on that point
[09:01] <cbx33> there will be screenshots
[09:01] <cbx33> we were waiting on the artwork to be confirmed
[09:02] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[09:02] <Burgundavia> I am almost done here myself, as I need to sleep
[09:02] <HedgeMage> I think I'm on some sort of screenshot duty
[09:03] <cbx33> HedgeMage: :p
[09:03] <cbx33> nice one thanks Burgundavia 
[09:03] <cbx33> I will endevour to get those changes sorted in the next 2 days
[09:04] <cbx33> Burgundavia: 
[09:04] <cbx33> before you go
[09:04] <Burgundavia> cbx33, we need a seciton in the difference about licensing
[09:04] <Burgundavia> I have one last commit before I go
[09:05] <cbx33> do you think that the apps listings as they are for the individual apps are too long?
[09:05] <cbx33> Burgundavia: there was one about opensource in a long ago version
[09:05] <cbx33> perhaps we could pull that in?
[09:05] <Burgundavia> it should be about how open source can reduce licensing complexity and costs
[09:05] <Burgundavia> think value, not features
[09:06] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco 
[09:06] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco 
[09:07] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:08] <cbx33> nagios rocks
[09:09] <jsgotangco> cbx33: sure if you apt-get it, not when do it in rpm hell
[09:09] <cbx33> my nagios box sms messages me :D
[09:10] <jsgotangco> do you use NRPE?
[09:10] <Burgundavia> can we transform our docbook into a pdf that is half page?
[09:10] <jsgotangco> you'll probably need wicked xslt to do that
[09:11] <Burgundavia> might just be easier to put into a format that does that
[09:11] <Burgundavia> too bad scribus is qt and has a crappy UI
[09:11] <Burgundavia> plus uses some oddball file format
[09:12] <cbx33> jsgotangco: NRPE?
[09:12] <cbx33> Burgundavia: Iused scribus to do those mockup changes
[09:12] <cbx33> sorry
[09:12] <cbx33> mockup pages
[09:13] <Burgundavia> sad thing is, there a great spec called SVG Print that scribus should be using
[09:14] <cbx33> sure
[09:17] <jsgotangco> cbx33: used for monitoring external hosts' resources
[09:19] <cbx33> I wrote a plugin for it to monitor windows disc space
[09:26] <jsgotangco> wow that would be useful for me
[09:29] <cbx33> jsgotangco: do you want it?
[09:29] <cbx33> do you want the SMS messaging plugin too?
[09:38] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i'd be thankful
[09:38] <cbx33> what's ya mail address?
[09:47] <Yagisan> Bye all.
[09:47] <pygi> bye Yagisan 
[09:48] <jsgotangco> cbx33: jgotangco@ubuntu.com would do
[10:28] <pips1> ogra, when is the next flight going to be released?
[10:59] <cbx33> jsgotangco: ok will do soon
[11:00] <Burgundavia> pips1, I think it is scheduled for wedneday this week
[11:04] <ogra> grmbl https://launchpad.net/bugs/44766
[11:04] <ogra> pips1, no idea, ubuntu wanted to start preparing one on friday, which didnt happen
[11:05] <ogra> edubuntu is apart fromm amd64 being 290k oversized in order
[11:06] <jsgotangco> let's drop ltsp
[11:07] <ogra> haha
[11:07] <pips1> ogra, Burgundavia, cheers
[11:07] <ogra> first lets get NZ on the world map
[11:07] <ogra> *sigh*
[11:10] <cbx33> ogra: seen the updates to the wikifrontpage?
[11:10] <pips1> ogra, you are right, it's missing on the chalkboard map! 
[11:10] <pips1> 8-O
[11:10] <ogra> pips1, i know... we took a design agency this time to avoid *any* artwork discussion
[11:11] <ogra> apparently that doesnt work :/
[11:11] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:11] <jsgotangco> ogra: don't worry, we'll say NZ got took over by AU and declared it an island
[11:11] <ogra> heh, ok
[11:14] <pips1> ogra, don't grumble so much, at least there is the newly discovered "edubuntu atoll" on the map! ;-)
[11:16] <jsgotangco> JaneW: wohoooo
[11:16] <pips1> jugding from the map, it's a rather coooold place far south (pips1 is twisting a knife in ogra's wound) ;-)
[11:16] <juliux> morning
[11:16] <jsgotangco> ogra: wohooo
[11:17] <ogra> wohooo ?
[11:18] <jsgotangco> vous voir  Paris !
[11:18] <cbx33> YAY
[11:19] <ogra> yay
[11:43] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:50] <ogra> cbx33, i dont see any difference on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki
[11:50] <ogra> hmm, and the css of www.edubuntu.org is broken
[11:50] <ogra> (and showing a drupal favicon)
[11:51] <pips1> ogra, I was wondering about that actually.
[11:52] <ogra> lets wait for highvoltage
[11:52] <ogra> he'll know whats going on
[11:52] <pips1> what is currently shown is a different drupal skin, a basic skin which develpers often like to use to develop their own new skin...
[11:53] <ogra> yep
[11:53] <pips1> so I was guessing that highvoltage was working on it...
[11:54] <pips1> btw, unfortunately I'm very busy with work this week still, but I am hoping to be able to do more edubuntu stuff again soon :-)
[12:01] <cbx33> ogra: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiMock
[12:01] <cbx33> ogra: we know about the edubuntu.org
[12:01] <cbx33> from what I know it is being worked on - it was the upgrade of drupal that broke it
[12:02] <ogra> ah, thanks fr the info :)
[12:02] <cbx33> I have editor rights to the site, but there was something broken which meant I couldn't edit something the other day
[12:02] <ogra> btw, the homies are in da house :) i added them to edubuntu-artwork yesterday ;)
[12:02] <jsgotangco> oh cool
[12:03] <ogra> "You can now also order CD's from the ShipIt site at the click of a button, free of charge. Edubuntu to your doorstep!"
[12:03] <jsgotangco> EHHH???
[12:03] <ogra> make that: "Text Install CDs"
[12:04] <jsgotangco> are we getting pressed?
[12:04] <ogra> (and please drop the apostrope, else Kamion will kill us ;) )
[12:04] <ogra> jsgotangco, sure, why shouldnt we
[12:04] <cbx33> yikes sorry ogra didn't see that there
[12:04] <cbx33> ogra: yay for the homies
[12:04] <ogra> :)
[12:04] <jsgotangco> ogra: i just didnt expect it for dapper
[12:04] <jsgotangco> (was looking into eft
[12:04] <jsgotangco> )
[12:04] <cbx33> ogra: feel free to edit the wiki
[12:05] <ogra> also i'm not sure we should list the MeetingRecords page, its very outdated
[12:05] <jsgotangco> what is 15.1 CD about?
[12:06] <cbx33> ogra: well I havn't worked that section yet
[12:06] <ogra> a drop in size of amd64
[12:06] <ogra> but it still wasnt enough :/ 
[12:06] <jsgotangco> i notice that
[12:06] <jsgotangco> its still big
[12:06] <cbx33> but I think it would be excellet if we could have meeting notes
[12:06] <ogra> i'll have to find another 280k 
[12:07] <jsgotangco> remove the berlin wall???
[12:07] <ogra> cbx33, yes, but there is something else in the works afaik
[12:07] <cbx33> ah right, nice ok
[12:07] <cbx33> apart from that, does the overall page look any better?
[12:07] <ogra> absolutely, great work :)
[12:08] <ogra> jsgotangco, then the splash screen wont fit the colors anymore :P
[12:12] <ogra> booting edubuntu to the desktop looks quite intrestiong now ... golden usplash, light brownish gdm, login background color is in a light chalkboard green now, then you get the blueish gnome splash and end with the chalkboard wallpaper
[12:12] <ogra> its walking you though a lot of colors ...
[12:13] <cbx33> hmmm
[12:13] <cbx33> but does it work?
[12:13] <cbx33> from an asthetic point of view?
[12:13] <ogra> well ...
[12:14] <ogra> what do you expect me to say :)
[12:15] <jsgotangco> lol
[12:16] <cbx33> I'll let lisa know the homies have a crib now
[12:26] <cbx33> jsgotangco: mail sent :p
[12:30] <cbx33> ogra: you got a sec?
[12:31] <cbx33> wondered if you had any ideas about my LTSP problems
[01:01] <jsgotangco> cbx33: thanks, i'll brb
[01:42] <cbx333> LTSP just won't login with a mapped home dir when logging in as an LTSP client
[01:42] <cbx333> I can log onto the server fine
[01:42] <cbx333> any ideas guys?
[01:43] <ogra> nope
[01:44] <cbx333> any special logs to check?
[01:44] <cbx333> auth is fine
[01:45] <cbx333> but i can't see why it's bombing out
[01:45] <ogra> nope, and its nothing i can demotae any thoughts to yet, we dont support it yet
[02:18] <mhzBackIn4hrs> re
[02:18] <mhzBackIn4hrs> hi all
[02:18] <mhzBackIn4hrs> ooops, jerome has left
[02:19] <cbx33> sorry about that....my server went down AGAIN !
[02:19] <cbx33> ok ogra I have some logs for my problem
[02:19] <cbx33> also gcompris didn't work over ltsp, is that a known bug?
[02:21] <ogra> cbx33, as i said before, foreign mounted homedirs are not in the planning for dapper and we are 17 days from release, i dont have the time to care for it atm
[02:21] <cbx33> what bout gcompris crash
[02:21] <cbx33> sorry ogra i didnt get the message before
[02:22] <cbx33> my server bombed out
[02:22] <ogra> no idea about gcompris, seems to work here
[02:22] <cbx33> ogra: over ltsp?
[02:23] <ogra> yes
[02:23] <cbx33> ok
[02:23] <cbx33> it also prevented the user who had caused the crash from logging into that machien again
[02:23] <cbx33> until the machine was restarted
[02:24] <jsgotangco> gcorpis is evil, capable of doing WTF bugs
[02:24] <cbx33> yes
[02:27] <cbx33> works fine on the local machine
[02:31] <mhz> jsgotangco: hey
[02:31] <jsgotangco> mhz: hey! long time no chat dude
[02:31] <mhz> jsgotangco: I already translated the firefox index page about edubuntu into spanish
[02:31] <mhz> indeed
[02:32] <jsgotangco> mhz: hmmm, we have a dilemna on the firefox page...but i'll let ogra think about it
[02:32] <mhz> jsgotangco: and wonder why it is -es_AR instead of -es_LA or _CL
[02:34] <jsgotangco> mhz: i really have no idea with regards to localisation in firefox
[02:34] <jsgotangco> it looks really painful from the wiki page
[02:34] <mhz> hehehe
[02:34] <mhz> hmmm
[02:34] <mhz> and where should I direct this translation to?
[02:35] <jsgotangco> well actually you have to ask ogra about it
[02:35] <jsgotangco> the batch for ubuntu was done by ian but then, he's the master of all
[02:35] <mhz> Also, all ulrs link to english pages. Can we have them link to spanish pages? 
[02:35] <jsgotangco> you will have to change the links yourself
[02:35] <mhz> oh yeah, Master of Puppets
[02:36] <mhz> sure
[02:36] <mhz> but I can't just do it without asking for "permission" first :)
[02:37] <cbx33> mhz: :p hehe
[02:37] <mhz> cbx33: you know
[02:38] <mhz> ogra: ? suggestions/directions?
[02:39] <cbx33> heheh
[02:39] <cbx33> what links are you wanting to change where? - I'd ask ogra any way :p
[02:39] <mhz> the ones at Firefox index
[02:40] <mhz> (default page)
[02:40] <mhz> they point towards english existing pages
[02:40] <mhz> and if I have translated the page into spanish, the least I can do is direct people to spanish pages, too :)
[02:40] <cbx33> ah i see
[02:40] <cbx33> indeed
[02:41] <mhz> Now, I could use linking to ubuntu-cl.org
[02:41] <cbx33> are there spanish translations of all the links?
[02:41] <mhz> but that may seem a little, "yes, we want you!"
[02:41] <mhz> I can get 1 more translator to help he very quickly and have all done by thursday
[02:42] <mhz> he = me
[02:42] <cbx33> I think ogra would be your best bet here
[02:43] <mhz> yup, ogra is Mr. Edubuntu (or smurf daddy?)
[02:43] <cbx33> hehe
[02:44] <cbx33> mhz: would you or anyone else be able to translate our Schools Advocacy page once it's done?
[02:44] <jsgotangco> late dinner brb
[02:47] <mhz> cbx33: into spanish?
[02:47] <mhz> sure! (how many pages?)
[02:47] <mhz> shiiiippps!
[02:47] <cbx33> mhz: I'll link you hang on
[02:47] <cbx33> this isn't the final version it's still WIP
[02:48] <mhz> cbx33: no prob.
[02:48] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/LaserJock
[02:51] <mhz> cbx33: hmmmm, its about 11 pages
[02:51] <mhz> (letter paper size)
[02:51] <cbx33> :p
[02:51] <mhz> What I can do is post it to edubuntu-devel-es
[02:51] <cbx33> np
[02:51] <mhz> and see if more tanslators raise once and for all. (they are kind of lazy)
[02:52] <mhz> OR
[02:52] <cbx33> hehe
[02:52] <mhz> we could state priorities: what is more urgent?
[02:52] <cbx33> but remember it's not ready yet
[02:52] <cbx33> this is not urgent
[02:52] <mhz> advocay? or the links from Firefox index?
[02:52] <cbx33> the advocacy
[02:53] <mhz> will this be the default page?
[02:53] <mhz> (for firefox, I mean)
[02:54] <mhz> actually, it has LOTS of useful info
[02:54] <mhz> and directions
[02:54] <mhz> it is a very nice summary of Edubuntu, afaik
[02:54] <mhz> well, time to go driving 
[02:54] <cbx33> it's not going to be the default
[02:54] <mhz> but?
[02:55] <mhz> (there's always a but)
[02:55] <cbx33> but it is hopefully going to be printied in english
[02:55] <mhz> hehehe
[02:55] <cbx33> and sent to schools
[02:55] <mhz> oh, i see, then it is IMPORTANT
[02:55] <cbx33> hehe
[02:55] <mhz> and how soon would that be "done" (ready)
[02:55] <cbx33> bt the end of the week definitely
[02:56] <mhz> okis, so, I'll post it to the edubunut-devel-es and
[02:57] <mhz> ask people to work on it as a subpage at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/LaserJock/es
[02:57] <mhz> in the mean time, I'll be wrking on the index page of firefox
[02:57] <cbx33> mhz: 
[02:57] <mhz> ?
[02:57] <cbx33> it is available on the svn repo
[02:57] <mhz> yeah BUT
[02:57] <cbx33> and that is the most up to date version
[02:58] <cbx33> I will port it across to the wiki when it's done
[02:58] <cbx33> just giving yo ua heads up :p
[02:58] <mhz> I have no svn, no terminal, no linux on the computers I have with me right now.. (long story) so I actually kind of work in LiveSystem :)
[02:58] <cbx33> hehe
[02:59] <mhz> therefore it is a real pain in the neck to generate work unless it is wiki or gmail :D
[02:59] <cbx33> i see
[02:59] <mhz> actually the firefox page I transleated it via nano :D
[02:59] <cbx33> nice
[03:00] <cbx33> nano rawks
[03:00] <mhz> so I still need to ad those special spanish characters
[03:00] <mhz> yup, though I'd prefer emacs :D
[03:00] <jsgotangco> you'll have a very very limited time frame to translate it considering we're just 3 weeks till rlesae
[03:00] <mhz> AND, if openssh-server was a default package in Ubuntu CD's, my life would have been a little bit easier
[03:01] <mhz> jsgotangco: sure, I know
[03:01] <jsgotangco> mhz: get ubuntu-server it has openssh sever by default
[03:01] <mhz> jsgotangco: that's why I decided to get late to work so I can chat with you guys ASAP and try to do some work at break times :)
[03:02] <mhz> jsgotangco: I know, but this should be 'default', IMHO
[03:02] <jsgotangco> even on a desktop?
[03:02] <mhz> sometimes, me at least, I need to have certain minimum rescue tools ;)
[03:02] <mhz> yup
[03:02] <mhz> esp. on LiveCD
[03:02] <jsgotangco> mhz: that is soooo wrong
[03:03] <mhz> hmmm, ptobably right (you got more experience than me) BUT, so far, openssh-server has been a very important friend to me
[03:03] <jsgotangco> livecd perhaps but desktop text install no way
[03:03] <mhz> oh, well, yes. For me, Live CD = desktop
[03:03] <ogra> thats why its on all the CDs ;)
[03:03] <mhz> hmmmm
[03:03] <jsgotangco> ogra: exactly
[03:04] <mhz> Breezy LiveCD had no openssh-0server
[03:04] <ogra> its just not installed since we dont offer *any* open ports to the outside world except in a ltsp install
[03:04] <mhz> unless I was sooooo blind
[03:04] <ogra> but you can install it without network access
[03:04] <jsgotangco> mhz: if it was default as well, every user you add unless explicitly indicated has shell access
[03:06] <mhz> hmmm, ogra, when I downloades edubuntu-install-beta (it is a server concept, IMHO) openssh-server did not get installed
[03:06] <mhz> (netboot at least, I will check on the Lab later on)
[03:07] <ogra> openssh server is installed by edubuntu-server in the default install
[03:07] <ogra> else ltsp wouldnt work at all
[03:07] <mhz> hmmm, then it means I will see it tomorrow at the lab
[03:07] <mhz> yeah
[03:08] <ogra> its not installed in the workstation version (and will never be)
[03:08] <jsgotangco> no way
[03:08] <mhz> okis, I get it.
[03:08] <ogra> the liveCd is the wrokstation version
[03:08] <mhz> oooh
[03:08] <ogra> (and installs the workstatiion version, since there are no ltsp parts on the Cd)(
[03:09] <mhz> maybe it is I was very used to Gentoo LiveCD's (the install one are also Live in text mode and have tons of great tools)
[03:09] <mhz> then, anyways LiveCD is useful as a rescue mode?
[03:10] <ogra> if you make 800MB CD the default worldwide, we can discuss a server installing liveCD ;)
[03:10] <mhz> LOL
[03:10] <mhz> okis, I wont insist then
[03:10] <jsgotangco> you could always install ubuntu-server and have openssh-server by default (plust some nice LAMP integration)
[03:11] <jsgotangco> but then, that's a server heh
[03:11] <ogra> or edubuntu-server and have ltsp by default (including openssh-server ;) )
[03:11] <mhz> yup, I know, my point was "live modes" are a very powerful tool, esp. when rescuing
[03:11] <ogra> thats why we have openssh-client in all our installs ;)
[03:12] <mhz> ogra: yeah, you know I am 100% happy with edubuntu server
[03:12] <ogra> its great for rescuing
[03:13] <mhz> hmmmm, yeah, BUT openssh-server is great to get .bz2 packages from prior OS into current HD
[03:13] <ogra> mhz, btw, i thought you wanted to boycott the liveCD installer :)
[03:13] <mhz> lol!
[03:13] <mhz> no way!
[03:13] <ogra> it needs at least 256M, you know that ? 
[03:14] <ogra> (or an existing swap partition)
[03:14] <mhz> of course, swap :)
[03:15] <mhz> ogra: just remember I face many non-internet netwroks and so my backups are .bz2 usually 
[03:15] <mhz> for some reasons, Gentoo LiveCD #1 (not #2) has been my unconditional friend when rescuing or backing up
[03:16] <mhz> anyways.... I will continue translating and ask the question later again "where should I direct the translated pages"
[03:16] <mhz> Bye, jsgotangco, cbx33 and ogra 
[03:17] <mhz> see ya later
[03:17] <jsgotangco> mhz: ciao
[03:17] <mhz> ciao
[03:17] <mhz> :D
[04:18] <lucasvo> I have a problem building my ltsp chroot on ppc
[04:20] <lucasvo> W: Failure to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/powerpc dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.9ubuntu4_powerpc.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.11-powerpc.deb
[04:20] <lucasvo> oh crap, I missed ogra again
[04:43] <cbx33> yup gcompris has really screwed up my users
[04:43] <cbx33> it could possibly be a screenres issue i think
[04:44] <cbx33> but then...hmmm
[04:44] <cbx33> ah I give up I don;t know what's causing it
[05:06] <lucasvo> this is a PITA
[05:06] <lucasvo> I can't build the ltsp chroot
[05:07] <Laser_away> JaneW: thanks :-)
[05:15] <kwwii> hi all
[05:18] <cbx33> YAY I have a migrane
[05:18] <cbx33> :(
[05:19] <cbx33> and just when I wanted to get some work done
[05:20] <juliux> hi kwwii 
[05:20] <kwwii> howdy juliux
[05:20] <juliux> Laser_away, and got you an e-mail?
[05:24] <cbx33> ph this migrane is bad
[05:24] <cbx33> I can hardly see
[05:24] <cbx33> the left side of my vision is a blur
[05:25] <kwwii> sounds nasty
[05:28] <mhz> re
[05:31] <mhz> juliux, hi there
[05:31] <juliux> hi mhz 
[05:32] <mhz> juliux, are you using edubuntu breezy?
[05:32] <juliux> mhz, no, i have install dapper
[05:33] <mhz> In Breezy, i get an error  when trying to mount Floppy "Error: el UDI introducido no es un volmen montable"
[05:33] <mhz> which means "the UDI is not a mountable volume"
[05:33] <mhz> I can mount it easily via commandline
[05:34] <mhz> BUT users here (teachers) want them to be shown at desktop, just like CD's do
[05:34] <mhz> Any ideas?
[05:37] <mhz> However, in Dapper, I got no such error :)
[05:37] <juliux> mhz, that is an known bug in nautilus i thin there is a solution postet on ubuntuforums.org
[05:38] <mhz> ooh, i'll look it up
[06:03] <mhz> juliux, indeed, solution (simplest one) is to install 'pmount'
[06:04] <juliux> mhz, hehe
[06:04] <mhz> weired thing is 5.04 did have it
[06:04] <mhz> and my guess is Dapper has it too
[06:38] <mhz> highvoltage, re mon
[06:39] <highvoltage> hey mon
[06:39] <highvoltage> how are you doin mon?
[06:44] <juliux> hi highvoltage 
[06:45] <highvoltage> hey juliux 
[06:45] <highvoltage> man, linuxworld seems like it's going to be a bit of a disaster this year
[06:45] <highvoltage> our stand is *tiny*
[06:46] <juliux> highvoltage, do you have a picture?
[06:47] <highvoltage> juliux: no, not yet
[06:49] <LaserJock> juliux: yes, I did
[06:52] <juliux> LaserJock, and?
[06:52] <LaserJock> I'm heading to Paris ;-)
[06:53] <highvoltage> LaserJock: cool :)
[06:53] <juliux> have fun
[06:54] <LaserJock> I'm guessing I will
[06:54] <LaserJock> lots of work though
[06:55] <elliot_> anyone here doing a multi architecture boot of macs off an i386 box?
[06:56] <mhz> highvoltage, one of the potential supporters from Gov. has just told us that "the curriculums seem to be lacking of consistency" crap. So we gotta re-submit the curriculums
[06:56] <mhz> :(
[06:57] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i'm goin too :)
[06:58] <highvoltage> mhz: curriculum is always difficult, no matter which country, or platform you're using. no one has gotten that right yet, unfortunately :/
[06:58] <highvoltage> (would be good if someone could, even if it was Microsoft, then at least you had that 'formula')
[06:59] <mhz> highvoltage, but they are so stupid! what do they want? PhD in FLOSS?
[06:59] <highvoltage> mhz: it is, the best you can do is smoosh them
[06:59] <mhz> highvoltage, that is one of the many reasons why having Mark support would have made this story a whole diff one
[07:01] <mhz> Anyways, 3 of the 9 curriculums have been noted as "good! these guys deserve the funds" So, tonite I'll be trying to version one curriculum layout into english
[07:01] <highvoltage> yeah, but imho, it's better not to rely on that
[07:01] <highvoltage> what would you have done in a world where there wasn't an sabdfl?
[07:01] <LaserJock> highvoltage: great, I think jerome is as well
[07:01] <mhz> of course. As a matter of fact, Mark has already said no (in April)
[07:01] <highvoltage> i tend to think like that, instead.
[07:02] <mhz> highvoltage, sure, hence I have had the balls to insist here, without his support
[07:02] <mhz> it's is just that when I get these 'stops' kills me
[07:03] <highvoltage> mhz: which i admire in a big way
[07:03] <highvoltage> mhz: i feel like that too, often.
[07:03] <mhz> hehe, thx
[07:03] <highvoltage> mhz: i get lots of stops too, and it does get me down, but now and again someone say or does something that gets me going again
[07:03] <mhz> highvoltage, did google translator work (somehow) for the Program I sent?
[07:04] <mhz> oh, yeah! like Dapper release!
[07:04] <highvoltage> mhz: it worked surprisingly well, i could understand everything
[07:04] <mhz> wow1
[07:04] <mhz> cool!
[07:04] <mhz> did you like the program?
[07:05] <highvoltage> i had some questions about it.. but i can't remember what it was... i printed the translated version and highlighted some things i wanted to know more about, but that's lying on my desk in cape town.
[07:05] <highvoltage> gtg, talk again later
[07:05] <highvoltage> take care!
[07:42] <Bluekuja> hi pygi
[07:42] <pygi> hi andrea
[07:42] <Bluekuja> :)
[07:42] <Bluekuja> you told me yesterday that you work on packaging
[07:42] <Bluekuja> is that right?
[07:43] <pygi> erghhh, depends what you need :)
[07:43] <Bluekuja> are you good in packaging .deb packages?
[07:44] <pygi> as I said...read upper :)
[07:44] <Bluekuja> well i'm having a problem with the makefile
[07:44] <Bluekuja> after running dh_make
[07:45] <Bluekuja> and checking license/docs etc
[07:45] <pygi> hm, what are you packaging?
[07:45] <Bluekuja> i was packaging the new ircd-hybrid 
[07:46] <pygi> oki, you can send me what you did for now, and I will look into it
[07:46] <pygi> I can't promise it will be any time soon tho :(
[07:47] <pygi> you know my mail?
[07:47] <Bluekuja> well no
[07:48] <pygi> mario dot danic at gmail dot com
[07:48] <Bluekuja> okie great
[07:48] <Bluekuja> just a moment
[07:49] <pygi> hey JaneW 
[07:50] <kwwii> hi JaneW
[07:50] <kwwii> Riddell mentioned that I should talk to you about the edubuntu usplash
[07:53] <Bluekuja> pygi: arrived?
[07:54] <pygi> nop,. not yet
[07:55] <Bluekuja> oki wait
[07:55] <pygi> Bluekuja, how urgent is that?
[07:56] <Bluekuja> well i want to finish it for this week
[07:56] <Bluekuja> arrived now?
[07:57] <pygi> argh, this week? :-/
[07:57] <Bluekuja> maybe not
[07:57] <Bluekuja> evelution crashed
[07:57] <pygi> its not here :-/
[07:57] <Bluekuja> let me restart 
[07:58] <Bluekuja> evolution
[07:58] <Bluekuja> ^^
[08:03] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: if you need packaging help #ubuntu-motu is a good place to ask
[08:06] <kwwii> ok, night all
[08:17] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: tnx very much for the suggestion
[08:17] <Bluekuja> pygi: arrived now?
[08:18] <pygi> argh, no?
[08:18] <Bluekuja> wtf?
[08:18] <Bluekuja> mario.danic@gmail.com
[08:18] <Bluekuja> thats right
[08:18] <pygi> you just let spambots eat my address :P
[08:18] <pygi> indeed :P
[08:18] <Bluekuja> lol
[08:19] <Bluekuja> i was having somje problems with the smtp server^^
[08:19] <Bluekuja> *SOME
[08:19] <pygi> and you still let bots eat my address :P
[08:19] <pygi> gah
[08:20] <Bluekuja> lol
[08:20] <Bluekuja> well, i've sent something like 10 emails to see if was working again
[08:20] <Bluekuja> :)
[08:20] <pygi> hm, I got none :P
[08:20] <Bluekuja> i give you a link
[08:21] <Bluekuja> so you can download it^^
[08:21] <pygi> I refuse to download it :)
[08:21] <pygi> I want mail :P
[08:22] <Bluekuja> lol
[08:22] <Bluekuja> oki
[08:49] <pygi> Bluekuja, around?
[08:56] <Bluekuja> pygi: yes
[08:56] <Bluekuja> :)
[08:59] <Bluekuja> pygi?
[09:10] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[09:10] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[09:10] <cbx33> did you see Corey's comments earlier
[09:11] <cbx33> Burgwork, I have a patch to give you, will probably do it tomorrow now
[09:11] <cbx33> sorry guys I'm just checking in, I have had a splitting migrane all afternoon/evening
[09:11] <LaserJock> I think I saw them
[09:11] <cbx33> need to rest
[09:12] <Bluekuja> oi cbx33
[09:12] <Bluekuja> :)
[09:12] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja 
[09:14] <Burgwork> cbx33, sent it to LaserJock, as I am going to be out tonight
[09:15] <cbx33> ok Burgwork 
[09:16] <cbx33> LaserJock, will hopefully get a patch to you in a while with a Firefox description
[09:16] <LaserJock> ok, I just read the backlog
[09:16] <LaserJock> I agree with Burgwork 
[09:16] <LaserJock> about a para for oo.org and firefox
[09:17] <LaserJock> I was just concerned about how big this pamplet is going to be with screenshots, etc.
[09:17] <cbx33> yes i know
[09:17] <cbx33> well
[09:17] <cbx33> we can always make ESA big for the wiki
[09:17] <cbx33> then downsize for the pamphlet
[09:17] <cbx33> it's not goign to hurt
[09:18] <LaserJock> sure, and I think the screenshots could be smaller on the pamphlet too
[09:18] <LaserJock> ok, well whenever you have something just send me an email and I'll apply it
[09:20] <cbx33> LaserJock, it's gonna be coming your way in about 5-10
[09:20] <LaserJock> fine, and get some rest for your headache
[09:22] <cbx33> it's getting better
[09:22] <cbx33> but I'd better not do too much
[09:22] <cbx33> but ubuntu work is addictive
[09:22] <LaserJock> mhmm
[09:34] <cbx33> LaserJock, d'ya get my patch?
[09:36] <cbx33> right that's me done for the night
[09:36] <LaserJock> hmm, not yet
[09:36] <cbx33> i mailed it to you
[09:37] <LaserJock> :/
[09:37] <cbx33> heheh
[09:45] <Bluekuja> oi pygi
[09:45] <pygi> oi Bluekuja 
[09:45] <pygi> please also send problem, because otherwise I will forget it :)
[09:46] <Bluekuja> lol okie
[09:47] <Bluekuja> done
[09:48] <LaserJock> cbx33: committed
[09:49] <pygi> Bluekuja, thanks :)
[09:49] <Bluekuja> pygi: np, tnx to you
[09:49] <pygi> do not thank me please :)
[09:50] <Bluekuja> okie^^
[09:51] <pygi> :)
[09:55] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock how did it look
[09:58] <cbx33> ok, LaserJock, Bluekuja, Burgwork, I think I'm goign to set another deadline of the end of this week for the final draft, if that sounds ok to you guys
[09:58] <cbx33> so screenshots, Burgwork's changes
[09:58] <Burgwork> cbx33, that works for me
[09:58] <cbx33> and polishing
[09:58] <cbx33> nice thanx Burgwork 
[09:58] <cbx33> did you see my patch has been commited 
[09:58] <cbx33> just a bit on FF
[09:59] <cbx33> what oather apps do yo uthink need making more of
[09:59] <Burgwork> I would talk about gcompris and OO.o
[09:59] <cbx33> OO, has a section already
[09:59] <Bluekuja> cbx33: great
[09:59] <cbx33> make more of it I thought into possibly different applications
[09:59] <cbx33> like calc, writer ?
[09:59] <cbx33> gcompris craswhed out all my LTSP clients today
[10:00] <Burgwork> no, I wouldn't go into each app
[10:00] <cbx33> I was not happy, can;t isolate the bug either
[10:00] <cbx33> okie dokie
[10:00] <cbx33> well there is a section on it already
[10:00] <cbx33> if you think of anyt more just mail me
[10:00] <cbx33> I'm off work tomorrow resting I can write them then
[10:00] <cbx33> my migrane means I won;t be able to cope with tomorrow
[10:01] <cbx33> I have a work experience guy with me and all the general hastle of kids wanting everything
[10:01] <cbx33> plus my colleague
[10:01] <cbx33> sheeesh
[10:02] <LaserJock> no breaks allowed until June 1st
[10:02] <Bluekuja> lol
[10:03] <LaserJock> ok, I'm off to a meeting, bbib
[10:03] <cbx33> LaserJock, that's why I'll be working on my rest day tomorrow
[10:05] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[10:06] <cbx33> if you get a chance, check out the updates to the wikimock
[10:17] <cbx33> nn all
[10:22] <kwwii> hi all
[10:23] <kwwii> JaneW: ping?
[10:27] <pygi> kwwii, I higly doubt JaneW is here now :)
[10:27] <kwwii> pygi: cool, thanks for the info....do you know when she is around?
[10:28] <kwwii> I wanted to talk to JaneW about making an edubuntu bootsplash pic
[10:28] <pygi> around hm...8:00 UTC to round 13:00 UTC or something?
[10:28] <kwwii> pygi: thanks :-)
[10:28] <kwwii> that is pretty early!
[10:29] <pygi> hm, early? what do you call non-sleeping then? :)
[10:45] <kwwii> pygi: well, sometime around 9, not before :-)
[10:54] <pygi> kwwii, do you already have that bootsplash?
[10:56] <kwwii> pygi: nope, thought I should ask before starting this time :-)
[10:56] <pygi> indeed :P
[10:58] <Phlosten> hello all
[10:59] <pygi> hi Phlosten 
[11:12] <pygi> o hi, sivang