[12:02] bug #32126 [12:02] Malone bug 32126 in control-center "sleep shortcut belongs to gnome-power-manager" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32126 [12:03] that has been changed with that upload [12:03] control-center (1:2.14.1-0ubuntu8) [12:04] mdz: Ah, the preference appears to have vanished from g-p-m [12:04] seb128: right, log out seems different from sleep and hibernate though [12:04] mdz: The power button gets passed through on wakeup [12:05] So if it's bound, you get the logout dialog on resume occasionally [12:05] the shortcut can be disabled by default, then, but I see no reason not to allow a binding to be set if the user wants one [12:05] Seems reasonable [12:06] mdz: right, I don't know why dholbach changed that one [12:06] I'll fix it === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] seb128: thank you [12:12] np === j_ack [n=nico@p508D801C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] mdz: have fun in mexico :-) === jdub disappears to jo'burg [12:16] jdub: nooooo [12:17] jdub: tell me you have 30 seconds to update planet for me before going jet-setting === aigarius [n=aigarius@201.160.20.139.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] rats === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:23] jdub is the hardest man to get hold of in the entire world === jcole [n=jcole@palrel2.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] why are the backgrounds in dapper labeled as "warty" backgrounds? [12:24] /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png [12:24] jcole: mine says Ubuntu Dapper Beta on it [12:25] sorry, s/labeled/named [12:25] probably because if you keep the same filename you don't have to change anything [12:26] mdke: lol, right [12:26] best file a bug if you don't like it === mdz_ [n=mdz@201.160.19.41.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Znarl [n=karl@bb-82-108-14-161.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _Traxer|off [i=traxer@shell6.powershells.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] is there an easy way to dpkg-buildpackage debug? [12:49] I see --debug was lamented as missing in 2001 but never found it's way in apparently === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] mdz_: ping [12:54] crimsun: pong [12:54] mdz_: RE: ALC861 recording: Is it currently broken in 2.6.15-22.34? There's a one-line diff between our patch_realtek.c and upstream alsa-driver 1.0.11 [12:55] (I'll go ahead and submit that one, but I want to check the status) [12:55] crimsun: I think the test was done with beta 2; has it been updated since then? [12:56] hmm, beta 2? No, no updates to it since beta 2. [12:57] although the missing line is pretty substantial [12:57] I don't have more information but could get you in touch with the person who ran the test [12:57] he said it was known fixed in 1.0.11 [12:58] sure, is there a bug report or forum post? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-144.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === madduck is now known as biella [01:00] crimsun: just an email === biella is now known as madduck [01:01] mdz: please forward it to me [01:05] madduck: the sex change didn't go so well? [01:15] <_ion> In case anyone's interested, i packaged the cpp-omnicomplete script from vim.org: http://hassers.fi/ubuntu/dists/dapper/vim/ [01:15] krb5-admin-server seems like it will always fail on first install because you need to run a script in one of it's deps by hand...am I missing something? [01:16] I read that as cpp-omlette [01:16] actually nevermind, that package actually contains krb5_newrealm... [01:16] so you need to install the package & run that script before the package will properly install [01:22] Keybuk: it's not so much the sex change, but being biella for a while was awesome! [01:22] I can imagine === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] morning all === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.177.220.101] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-1-248-53.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] is the Fedora Project wiki down for anyone else? [01:49] Keybuk: looks fine here [01:49] hmm [01:49] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FCNewInit [01:49] is just timing out for me [01:49] not for me [01:50] weird [01:50] wfm [01:50] was a bit slow though [01:50] hmm, google cache is doing the same [01:50] might be an image/ad issue? [01:51] don't see any images except for the fedora logo & a repeating background [01:51] weird [01:51] and the background might even be css if they are funky [01:51] where is the usplash image? [01:51] View Source works, just Firefox not displaying it [01:51] jcole: /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so [01:53] /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-default.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped [01:54] not opening that in gimp anytime soon, lol [01:54] indeed [01:54] jcole: The modifiable image is in the source package [01:54] It's saved as raw code to make it easier to display it on boot [01:55] mjg59: yeah, PNG decoders are so huge [01:55] mjg59: I was feeling a little evil yesterday, and was experimenting how much smaller the binary got if it didn't even use dlopen/dlsym [01:55] Keybuk: Adding PNG decoding to usplash is effort :p [01:55] bye. Good night [01:55] It didn't use dlopen originally - that was to make it easier for derivatives to change the artwork [01:55] ahh [01:55] I had a cunning plan :p [01:55] replacing dlopen with a DT_NEEDED on the artwork .so [01:56] so the symbols are just there [01:56] Bad man [01:56] your point? :p [01:57] mjg59: rle? [01:57] jcole: Nope [01:57] It's just a raw dump of what ends up in the framebuffer [01:58] which, of course, is the one true image format [01:58] jcole: the initramfs is compressed === robertj really likes the logo-only Apple splash [01:58] robertj: EDGY! === Keybuk gets the big hammer out [01:58] Keybuk: hehe ;) [01:58] robertj: you can have it in, so, like, 3 weeks [01:58] I'm so changing the edgy artwork, on opening day, so something REALLY crap [01:58] like "edgy eft" written in MS Paint [01:59] just to "encourage" the artwork guys from day #1 [01:59] Keybuk: and if you rewrite bogl not to use PutPixel(x,y,c) for every operation, it'll be faster too [01:59] <_ion> :-) [01:59] Keybuk: you should change it to "c:\" in terminal-green === _ion is happy with the new old usplash artwork. [01:59] Keybuk: I put that in Dapper and someone reverted it :((( [01:59] sladen: I had actually thought of using a blit paint of part of the image to do the progress bar [01:59] mjg59: heh, I reckon it's the only way to encourage them [01:59] i have to do this magic to remaster the boot image on the debian/ubuntu install cd: [01:59] convert -resize 639x320 -colors 14 myorig.png mynew.png; pngtopnm mynew.png > splash.pnm; ppmtolss16 "#000000=0" "#ffffff=7" < splash.pnm > splash.rle [02:00] otherwise we'll just have the same story over again [02:00] Keybuk: I think it still uses PutPixel()... [02:00] just about releasing, and "oh, can you fundamentally change the artwork" [02:00] Keybuk: because it "has" to check the plane for each pixel [02:00] you guys should have done a contest thing with the artwork [02:00] It might always be easier to do the progress bar the other way [02:00] Draw a nice picture in the pixmap, and draw a black bar on top of it [02:01] jcole: yes, yes, encourge them, yes, but, yes, *for edgy* [02:01] mjg59: that's basically what I was thinking [02:01] or, if possible, just have to pixmaps [02:01] Oh, except that would lead to tearing [02:01] one for the light progress bar, one for the dark [02:01] and gradually replace one with the other [02:01] vga16 is hard, let's go shopping [02:02] heh [02:02] or just replace the whole thing with something that uses just two colours and looks damned sexy [02:02] splash with symbol only could be very striking... -> http://www.atwmusic.com/22475.gif [02:02] a single white pixel black and white outline of the ubuntu logo, and a white progress bar in a single white pixel box [02:02] I remember getting the boot text stuff working in Helsinki airport [02:02] <_ion> robertj: :-D [02:03] Keybuk: The Vista releases so far have been b&w art [02:03] It'll shift to colour for the final release, but it looks pretty sharp now [02:03] mjg: is that anywhere on the net? apples is http://www.magiclinux.org/people/lovewilliam/Bootsplash/Apple.jpg [02:03] mjg59: I know, I've been playing [02:03] robertj: Somewhere, yeah. Not sure where, though [02:04] http://www.geekswithblogs.com/images/www_geekswithblogs_com/storageman/2287/o_booting.JPG [02:04] looks like XP to me [02:04] Sleep is irritatingly fast on Macs [02:04] doesn't the windows bootsplash fade in from black? [02:04] mjg59: we should make our own hardware === sladen made a brand new one I was going to set as default which was basically a set of palette squares and then grid rules along the top and sides with pixel counts to *ensure* that it was overidden [02:04] tritium: not that I'm aware, no [02:04] Keybuk: gmorning [02:04] sladen: heh, where? :p [02:04] lifeless: morning [02:05] tritium: yes, it does. Even my original usplash code did that :) [02:05] Keybuk: no? I'll double check... [02:05] sladen: "edgy test card", would look great [02:05] sladen: cool :) [02:05] mjg59: how much of that is trickery with bringing up the old framebuffer while no one is at home behind the scenes? [02:05] if only we could make it play the BBC Schools theme while it started [02:05] tritium: a 1 second fade makes it look so sexy [02:05] Keybuk: question for you, is there a python interpreter for the conflicts/replaces language ? [02:05] I agree, sladen [02:05] Keybuk: yup, looked like a testcard! [02:05] robertj: Mm? [02:05] lifeless: there is not [02:05] Keybuk: thanks === lifeless makes a note to write one [02:05] well [02:05] robertj: Oh, right. No, the fact that they have limited hardware means they don't have to bother [02:05] there may be one in SMART :p [02:06] Keybuk: channel 4 schools theme was better! [02:06] perhaps, but it didn't seem accessible [02:06] if we had just one kind of hardware, and access to the guys who wrote it, we could have fantastic hardware support [02:06] mjg59: when I wake up my ibook in OS X the image from lid close is still there and there is hardware cursor but it's still in lala land [02:06] the logic was too twined in with the globale cache [02:06] sladen: I have an RM of that [02:06] robertj: Oh, right. This is an Intel one [02:06] though I will check again ;) [02:06] is that gone on the pros? [02:07] Well, it doesn't happen on the imacs [02:07] I haven't played with an mbp [02:07] I really need to test how well it supports power management on random Intel machines [02:08] <_ion> The Ubuntu splash would look more professional if every word had a trademark symbol after it. [02:08] http://www.netsplit.com/tmp/ITVon4_Clock.rm [02:08] sladen: ^ === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] _ion: I'm often surprised the Janes haven't required us to start doing that yet [02:11] http://www.glatozen.org/wallpaper/wallpaper.php?variable=ubuntu [02:11] mjg59: please don't tell me intel iMacs will be supported before G5 iMacs :( [02:12] tritium: What's up with G5 imacs? [02:13] I don't have any, so it's hard for me to do anything [02:13] one of my original ideas for the boot splash was that the Ubuntu logo should spin [02:13] mjg59: fan control problems, apparently patched in 2.6.16 [02:13] then we realised just how bad the Ubuntu logo looks in just about any other position [02:13] tritium: Can you find the patch? [02:13] mjg59: I'll look, yes [02:13] Keybuk: I'm really not big on animated boot screens [02:13] mjg59: aye, they tend to defeat the object [02:13] Keybuk: I'm so going to patch usplash to poll for /dev/dsp being created and then cat that theme into it [02:13] the screen is there because it takes a long time to boot [02:14] btw, has anyone else pitched a fit about wrong password handling in gksu? [02:14] sladen: heh, I had evil plans to use upstart to bring alsa up really early and do it [02:14] Gnome starts *astonishingly* fast from a warm cache now [02:14] it's a rather scary error for some poor user trying to do security updates [02:14] The splash vanishes at about the same time as the theme starts [02:14] robertj: gksu message? [02:15] mjg59: can we warm the cache easily? [02:15] The seeking really kills us right now [02:15] sladen: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic --upgrade-mode --non-interactive --hide-main-window [02:15] Wrong password. [02:15] maybe the splash should stay around until the menubar has actually loaded [02:15] Keybuk: We could find out what files it's reading and do magic to ensure that they're in a linear block of the disk... [02:15] Other than that, nothing springs to mind [02:15] But just log out and then try logging in again [02:15] robertj: what is causing this and is there a bug # [02:15] Most effective if you log in, log out and then log in [02:15] would doing readahead on the files help? [02:16] sladen: give a wrong password to the upgrade notifier [02:16] or just about anything [02:16] Keybuk: Not sure. We'd need to check the file access patterns. [02:16] <_ion> Would readahead help? IIRC the package contains a program that sorts /etc/readahead/given_list in the order files are physically in. [02:16] sladen: I've filed it upstream some time ago with no response [02:16] just run readahead-watch, then log in [02:16] <_ion> Whoops, i didn't notice keybuk mentioning that already. :-) [02:17] _ion: the key is avoiding seeks, not just avoiding the order. It's better read 100MB in a single pull than read 20MB in 5 seeks [02:17] and damn, I was having a bad day when I wrote that manpage :p [02:17] Keybuk: Excellent. Thanks for volunteering! [02:17] I'm going to spend the week playing with bacteria instead... [02:18] this C4 schools theme is catchy [02:18] I'm going to have it on repeat for the next week [02:18] it brings back memories, doesn't it === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.152.233] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] sitting cross legged on a hard carpet and watching sex-education films on a TV that was about 8 foot off the ground while the girls were all plaiting the hair of one in front and boys were all sniggering [02:20] Breeding: for fun and profit === robertj should get the Human Animal on DVD === AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-107-55.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host71-80.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] <_ion> For anyone puzzled about the strange unit: 8 feet = 2.4384 m according to units(1) [02:25] <_ion> :-) === _Firetech [n=Jocke@h78n2fls311o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] what's the opposite of "instant", in the length-of-time sense? [02:29] eternity? [02:29] never [02:30] no, I mean if an event happens in less than the smallest measure of time, it's "instant" [02:30] what if an event takes a period of time? [02:31] duration [02:32] period [02:32] range [02:32] molecule ('its not atomic') [02:33] Keybuk: temporal? [02:33] <_ion> t>t_{instant} === AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-107-55.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] Keybuk: why do you ask? [02:34] robertj: trying to describe something in a document, and can't quite get the right word [02:35] pastebin for context? [02:36] trying to work out whether I can rewrite this bit [02:36] usually I figure if it's hard to describe, it's hard to implement [02:37] eggauah: delta [02:37] meh [02:37] Keybuk: delta [02:37] <_ion> Describe it in pseudo code instead of plain English. :-) [02:38] you're right. that wrong-password thing is a bit scary [02:38] the system being switched on is an instant event [02:38] as is the lid button being pushed [02:38] etc. [02:38] a network card being present is a BLANK event [02:39] (it has a particular length and life, and implies that the event stops) [02:39] <_ion> Are you sure you want to call it an event? [02:40] I don't have to use the word event, no [02:40] is that "a state" [02:40] though I'd like to use the same word to describe both [02:40] the state being that the NIC is present [02:40] Keybuk: PCI cards offer a term [02:40] indeed [02:40] 'Edge' and 'Level' [02:40] the event is that transition (which occurs at an instant) when the state changes [02:40] "persistent" is a word you might be looking for [02:41] but yes, rather a state than an event [02:41] Keybuk: lid button is an edge trigger, card being present is a level trigger [02:42] and if you wanted a light on while the lid button was held down, that's a level trigger? [02:42] isn't English a funky language === ozamosi- [n=nnnnozam@h154n1c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] <_ion> Hey, if English was good enough for Jesus, it should be good enough for us. [02:43] PraiseTheLord === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:44] Keybuk: yes [02:50] Keybuk: I might ask if you could get away with BLANK == "" [02:51] although then your a would have to be an an, so that won't work [02:53] sladen: should I file a bug on gksu in launchpad? === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-1-248-53.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi- is now known as ozamosi === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.78] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486FDBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel === coz_ [n=coz_@c-71-236-91-89.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] hello all i was here earlier about the logout dialog UI and the shortcut glad it was fixed so soon also the command to invoke the dialog UI is "gnome-seesion-save --kill" for thoses that said there was no command [03:39] thanks again whoever made the fix [03:39] now the UI is off center of the screen is there a conf file that this can be adjusted with [03:41] have to go === coz_ [n=coz_@c-71-236-91-89.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [03:42] are there plans for a grub splash? [03:43] jcole: do you mean /usr/share/pixmaps/grub/ubuntu-artwork.xpm.gz ? :) [03:44] crimsun: ah, i must have to do an ln -s ...update-grub [03:44] crimsun: why isn't it enable by default? [03:45] jcole, it breaks on some machines [03:46] Burgundavia: ah, gotcha... how does sushi and redhat get way with it? [03:46] jcole: the rationale is explained in the changelog [03:46] crimsun: ok [03:47] 0.2.28-{2,3} === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] Burgundavia: the ubuntu install cd has a bootsplash [03:50] splash.rle === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] That's not grub. === auxesis [n=lindsay@quasimodo.unstated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] auxesis: dude [04:32] infinity: what neon do you want baz updated to ? [04:32] hey lifeless :) [04:32] lifeless: 25. === lifeless cant face using baz for this, apt-gets instead === abelcheung__ [n=abelcheu@221.126.146.212] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.81.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:08] garh [05:47] infinity: ping [05:48] neon 25 is *more* broken, not less [05:48] infinity: its broken enough that fixing means 'write own uri escape routine'. [05:48] infinity: specifically: [05:48] Breakpoint 1, escape_location (location=0x808974d "cached:/foo") at /home/robertc/source/bazaar-1.4.2/src/baz/libarch/pfs.c:539 [05:49] 539 if (ne_uri_parse (location, &parsed_uri) != 0) [05:49] (gdb) print parsed_uri [05:49] $1 = {scheme = 0x0, host = 0x809e008 "cached", port = 0, path = 0x809e018 "/foo", authinfo = 0x0} [05:49] scheme should be cached: here, and path /foo - because its an unknown scheme the opaque rules should kick in [05:49] sorry, neon24 needs to stay :( [05:53] Hrm, that parse looks correct to me. [05:53] infinity: ?! [05:54] "scp foo myhost:/bar" the scheme is unknown/NULL, the host is myhost, the path is /bar [05:54] scp does not use uris [05:54] No, but that's an invalid URI, no matter how you slice it. [05:54] no its not [05:54] As a URI, it would have to have more slashes. [05:54] no [05:55] (Or fewer, a la mailto:) [05:56] right. if its not hierarchical, then its opaque [05:57] So, do bzr and svn work around this change in some way, or did they never use a foo:/bar scheme anywhere to start with (which seems broken to me anyway, but whatever)? [05:57] bzr does not use neon [05:57] Oh, right. [05:58] dont know about svn. [05:58] I suspect SVN never had a need to use such schemes in the first place. [05:58] 1.2.3 in std66 is the relevant bit, FWIW [05:58] I suspect ne_uri_parse does what it does to let the caller apply heuristics [05:59] 'it looked like a host, so use whatever your UI considers the default scheme' [05:59] Well, yes, like I said, it looked correct to me. [05:59] I would have considered the other behaviour buggy. [06:00] you are clearly not a URI/HTTP Nazi [06:00] :) [06:01] PHP agrees with you, which almost certainly makes you wrong. :) [06:01] argh! [06:02] (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ php -r 'print_r(parse_url("cached:/foo"));' [06:02] Array [06:02] ( [06:02] [scheme] => cached [06:02] [path] => /foo [06:02] ) [06:02] yup [06:02] that is correct. [06:02] See, if you're on the same side as PHP, there's something wrong with you. [06:02] the caller then can go 'if scheme not in recognised_schemes maybe theres no host' etc [06:03] its definately the double // that triggers it in neon [06:03] print parsed_uri [06:03] $1 = {scheme = 0x809e008 "cached", host = 0x809e028 "foo", port = 0, path = 0x809e018 "/", authinfo = 0x0} [06:03] cached://foo was the input [06:04] Yes, well no arguing that that's clearly correct. [06:04] right [06:04] if they got that wrong, it would be 'bad' [06:06] heres an example from std66 though [06:06] foo://example.com:8042/over/there?name=ferret#nose [06:06] \_/ \______________/\_________/ \_________/ \__/ [06:06] | | | | | [06:06] scheme authority path query fragment [06:06] | _____________________|__ [06:06] / \ / \ [06:06] urn:example:animal:ferret:nose [06:06] note that *everything* after the urn: is considered path [06:07] and WOW neon fucks that over [06:07] Breakpoint 1, escape_location (location=0x8089a41 "urn:foo:bar") at /home/robertc/source/bazaar-1.4.2/src/baz/libarch/pfs.c:539 [06:07] 539 if (ne_uri_parse (location, &parsed_uri) != 0) [06:08] (gdb) print parsed_uri [06:08] $1 = {scheme = 0x0, host = 0x809e018 "urn", port = 0, path = 0x809e008 "/", authinfo = 0x0} [06:08] Neat. :) === aigarius [n=aigarius@201.160.17.131.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:09] Alright, I can keep neon24 in. I'd be pretty happy if you filed bugs (with wonderful explanations and charts) to neon upstream to get this sorted once and for all in neon26, though. :/ [06:09] I'll see what I can do [06:09] got to go do plane tickets now though [06:09] tchau [06:10] oh, and for the canonical word ... [06:10] If a URI does not contain an authority component, then the path cannot begin with two slash characters ("//") [06:10] quote, unquote [06:10] cached:/bar - no authority, and does not start with two slashes :) === lifeless is gone [06:11] But does it say anything about starting the path with one slash? [06:12] (I'd expect a NULL authority to actually appear as such, like in the case of file:///foo) === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:29] slomo__: can you close bug 42594 please? [06:29] Malone bug 42594 in dbus "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/75dbus-1-utils_dbus-launch is not needed" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42594 === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-82-247.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-207-3.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-224-132.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178015081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] Good morning [07:28] good morning [07:30] hi desrt [07:32] hi pitti, desrt [07:33] ajmitch; thanks again for the debianising help. my changes got uploaded the next morning :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:33] great :) === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.144.190] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lunitik [n=lunitik@ip68-231-11-250.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] anyone aware of this "invalid tar magic" debootstrap error message? [07:39] Hello... something care to clear something up... Ubuntu ships proprietary drivers via restricted package 'linux-restricted-modules' by default (active during install) correct? [07:39] s/something/someone/ [07:40] lunitik: yes. or they have unclear licenses === pitti hugs ajmitch [07:42] lunitik, yes, they do. In restricted modules is a bunch of non-free software stuff [07:43] lunitik, are you referring to the whole koroaa mess? [07:43] Burgundavia: nope... someone in #suse is trying to argue with me :/ === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-82-247.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dieman [n=dieman@3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lunitik [n=lunitik@ip68-231-11-250.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === omeg [n=omega@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@212.Red-83-54-75.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89.172.192.95] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.81.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1FF7.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] good morning === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.99.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] mornin' dholbach [09:24] hey pygi [09:24] whats up dholbach ? :) [09:25] dholbach: morning [09:25] dholbach: I just asked myself which penguintv version won - your's or zul's (they are both accepted on d-changes) [09:25] hey janimo [09:26] pitti: zul's - then one that had an uninstallable depends :-p [09:26] I assigned the bug to him [09:28] i love how sunday night is morning for y'all === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool === thesaltydog [n=saltydog@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alkove [n=alkove@group-erlon.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@175.Red-88-9-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] any idea why does mc trash bash_history this way http://pastebin.com/718295? === mvo [n=egon@p54A67C64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] okay, found it.. it's a clean install, and now .bashrc has ignoredups [10:06] it should be ignoreboth :p === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] morning all [10:11] mornin' sivang [10:12] talk to you later :) === j_ack [n=nico@p508D8BCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] Riddell: do you still get the 'request entity too large' bug with 1.2.0? === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@213.208.70.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508D8BCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@80-41-16-92.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fwiffo [n=fwiffo@130.225.79.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === benh [n=benh@147.17.168.202.velocitynet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@62-15-158-30.inversas.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@d021044.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ploum [n=ploum@ubuntu/member/ploum] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] mvo: ping [10:47] guys. what is this sun-java5 package that has appeared? [10:47] jre 1.5 on a guess [10:47] mdke: changelog says it's upgrade of 1.4 [10:48] ivoks, I think they mean the blackdown 1.4 packages and I think they are referring to the style of packaging [10:48] Burgundavia: i didn't read it to carefully :) [10:49] hmm, no hits for DJL, distributed java license, distribution java license or desktop java license [10:49] what I really meant was, how can this appear 15 days before the release without any warning to the doc team? [10:49] ivoks: hello === karmak [n=olive@ryxeo.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] mvo: hi [10:50] mdke, thanks for the xubuntu guide translation call [10:50] mvo: does the patch i sent you back looks ok? [10:50] janimo: np. [10:50] mdke, "Java development is expected to get a boost on Linux at the JavaOne conference, with partnerships anticipated for including the Java Runtime Environment with Linux distributions, Sun officials said." [10:50] mvo: the one you sent me introduced lots of unwanted side effects :/ [10:51] JavaOne starts today, so I suspect that is why [10:51] Burgundavia: well Sun officials didn't notify the ubuntu docteam either [10:51] ivoks: yes, I'm building test-debs right now [10:51] mdke, don't know that they have to :) [10:51] mvo: ok [10:51] ivoks: glade messed it up apparently :/ [10:51]