=== KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-144.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106001150603f7d.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-82-247.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-224-132.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-82-247.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia commits to the doc team repo [09:06] figured that might just a major event recently [09:07] lol === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:43] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-May/010876.html [10:43] wtf is that [10:44] i mean, seriously. [10:45] mdke, no, idea, but it is cool [10:45] what is DJL license? [10:45] cool in that it invalidates our docs 15 days before release [10:45] is that the new Java license that Sun was talking about? [10:45] that's my favourite type of cool [10:46] JavaOne starts today and I think they were planning on some type of announcement [10:46] yeah, but feature freeze started 3 months ago [10:46] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc-commits/2006-May/002551.html <- add then there is this [10:46] what is up with that, honestly [10:47] heh, yeah I saw that, nice one [10:47] feature freeze does not apply to new packages in multi/universe [10:47] my laptop broke, so I am back to my desktop for now [10:47] broke as in, the installer broke [10:47] I think it is a worth a string freeze to change our docs [10:48] with regards to the java stuff [10:49] dude, translation freeze is TOMORROW [10:49] I find it unlikely that the translators will be able to deal with that [10:50] amen === mdke grumbles about last minute changes [10:50] hey :) [10:52] 1 paragraph??? [10:52] it does suck that it came this late, but it is very cool [10:52] you mean the advocacy page? [10:52] no, the java thing [10:52] ahhh === jsgotangco can't scrollback - irssi === mpt [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-149.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:02] mdke, since we are going to be pissing off our translators with that disks thing, shall we do the java thing at the same time> [11:03] Burgundavia: I want to find out what the java thing is, I'm mailing -devel now [11:04] well, my cd has ended (I always enjoy beethoven) and it is 2am. I need to sleep [11:04] night all [11:05] night === mdke sends off an icy email to -devel [11:11] what disk thing? === poningru has yet to get it [11:12] and is now utterly confused [11:13] we're switching between -devel and here a bit [11:15] ah === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has left #ubuntu-doc ["my] === motin [n=motin@81-226-163-34-o1034.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:07] mdke: i got offered sponsorship [12:09] for coming to the conference? nice === rob wonders if he should combind the AptFile and AutoApt wiki pages..; [12:10] s/combind/combine === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACD481D8.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:41] mdke: did you find out what the java thing was about? [12:45] poningru: not yet. I emailed about it [12:46] k === poningru watches -devel like a hawk === Unfrgiven [n=ankur@ubuntu/member/unfrgiven] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:40] I've got some stuff for Ubuntu documentation. It is work in progress, but will surely be helpful for new Ubuntu user's: http://wiki.motin.eu/HowToComfortablySwitchFromWindowsToUbuntu [01:40] .. [01:40] strange. ill try again [01:40] I've got some stuff for Ubuntu documentation. It is work in progress, but will surely be helpful for new Ubuntu user's: http://wiki.motin.eu/HowToComfortablySwitchFromWindowsToUbuntu [01:47] we saw it the first time, its written across our screens [01:50] motin: if you'd like to consider integrating your work with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows that would be great [01:52] mdke: Hmm haven't seen that one [01:53] motin: one preliminary comment is not to link to ubuntuguide.org, it's really out of date. Try to get familiar with our documentation at http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06 [01:54] bbl [01:55] mdke: I'll not put the link out, since it has helped me on Dapper, but I will write a note about it being outdated, and refer to the official documentation instead [01:55] rob: for some reason onyl half of it was displayed on my screen, so I tried again [01:56] cool :P [01:59] mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows and my wiki page have totally different goals. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows is a great resource, but pecks on details. Mine's plain practical and more suited as an alternative to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows. Full integration is not the best way to go here I believe. Rather a link or two in relevant chapters would be a nice way to do it. === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-8-223.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-224-132.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:11] motin: well they both have the same basic aim. I don't see why the specific aims can't be accomodated in the same document. As for ubuntuguide.org, linking to an out of date resource is extremely unhealthy, especially where better documentation exists [02:13] mdke: Okay i'll remove it. [02:13] I am integrating some parts of it right now [02:13] great === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:32] There... updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:33] hey jjesse [02:33] hiya jsgotangco [02:33] how's it going [02:34] got a killer headache today, probablly leaving work early :( [02:34] awww [02:35] dang it, got a note from Jane W saying that Canonical is willing to sponser me to go to the Ubuntu Developer Confrence in Paris, but i'm starting a new job the week before and won't have vacation :( [02:35] dang it :( [02:36] jjesse: same here [02:36] heh go to Paris so we could meet up! [02:36] i wish i could [02:37] why not? dang... [02:37] but new boss probablly won't like it if i say "I need a week of vacation to go to a confrence the week after i start [02:37] well yeah, it'll be a hectic week as well [02:38] (and being drunk at night) === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:15] mgalvin: any news on release notes? [03:16] mdke: yea, sorry about that... i was out of commision last week... i already started to work on them this week and should have some stuff to commit shortly [03:16] mgalvin: have the developers been doing some too? [03:17] mdke: not that i know of === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:17] mgalvin: ok. [03:18] you wish! [03:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes ? [03:19] i started that [03:19] that's from my old BreezyReleaseNotes [03:19] it looks as if it has had some work [03:19] mgalvin: ^ [03:20] yeah its still worth using [03:20] i have seen it... yea there is certainly stuff there we can use [03:21] check BreezyReleaseNotes too on how it was structured, althought the Dapper preview pages are good for release notes too [03:43] hi jsgotangco. [03:43] may i ask you about the state of the g-a-i manual? [03:45] has mvo already merged a later version? should I "fix" the issues myself in my branch? [03:53] glatzor: hi [03:54] glatzor: i'll have it fixed now, i did plan it to fix before the day ends [03:54] glatzor: i did made some minor changes (like your name) but i think mvo wasn't able to merge [03:54] glatzor: gimme a few minutes then i'll ping mvo [03:55] glatzor: but if you want to make the change, feel free i'll merge from you === jsgotangco is just doing a fix on some work === tristanbob_ [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:29] I just downloaded Flight7, and I see an document with a missing image - Do you want to hear about that here? [06:30] tristanbob_: yes [06:32] in the examples, document called "oo-introducing-ubuntu.odt" there is a place-holder for an image of Espresso [06:32] well, Espresso is pretty much done, but no pic [06:32] tristanbob_: ok, can you file a bug on example-content? [06:33] do we maintain the example content? [06:34] mdke: yes I can do that === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs4.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:52] mdke: looks like next time I will look at existing bugs BEFORE filing a new one [06:52] I created a bug-report, then saw it already existed, so I marked mine as a duplicate [06:53] ok I have another question related to Espresso [06:53] is Espresso now called Ubiquity? [06:53] and should the docs reflect that? [06:54] yes [07:11] mdke: have you gotten any better info on java than from robitaille? [07:12] mdke, have you pinged doko [07:12] ? [07:13] yes, I got the info === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-82-247.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:17] nothing to change yet [07:17] I suprised I hear anything about it [07:18] I didn't see any Feature Freeze stuff in -motu about it [07:21] Burgwork: thanks for the ESA edits, the LTSP section really flows nicely [07:24] LaserJock, hey, np [07:24] can I play on Tuesday after work as well? [07:26] I would think so [07:26] ok [07:26] I think cbx33 has been busy with work, etc. [07:26] I want to cut down the 9 items in difference to 7 [07:26] plus I need to add one in, about licensing [07:27] which ones do you want to take out/merge? [07:28] I haven't really looked at that yet [07:29] LaserJock, I am going to email to edubuntu [07:30] Burgwork: good idea [07:30] overall, I really like the structure and the first bit is great === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:34] Burgwork: cool [07:35] I tried to rework it as much as I could with cbx33 === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-149.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-82-247.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-82-247.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@60.254.67.17] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs4.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sivang [i=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:06] hi [11:06] howdy guys [11:07] so, mdke : [11:07] Setting up scrollkeeper (0.3.14-11ubuntu1) ... [11:07] Rebuilding the database. This may take some time. [11:07] I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/common/zh_TW/preface.xml" [11:07] what version of ubuntu-docs are you using? [11:07] ///usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/serverguide/zh_TW/serverguide.xml:401: element include: XInclude error : could not load /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/common/zh_TW/preface.xml, and no fallback was found [11:07] yeah, I saw the paste already [11:08] don't worry about the version, I see the bug. [11:08] is it preventing you from installing something? === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:13] sivang: is it preventing you from installing something? === tristanbob_ [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [11:18] mdke: not that I saw , I just now rebooted after it was requested in my dist-upgrade process, but it seems that SK's db would be inconsistent now or lack this link to the server guide? === mpt [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:19] sivang: yes, that's fine. I've fixed it in our repository, it'll be in the next upload [11:19] mdke: cool, are you also the packager? [11:21] sivang: we all chip in. dholbach uploads [11:22] everyone can touch packages in Ubuntu, don't forget [11:22] mdke: cool :) [11:22] yes, I will not forget [11:22] essentially anybody with svn access can change the packaging [11:23] well, or anyone with upload rights :) [11:23] main upload rights [11:23] yeah [11:44] anywyay, laters. I have too many channels open. I need to close some [11:44] bye === sivang [i=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [11:57] mdke: free-as-in-beer is cost, right? [11:57] I'm not a beer drinker so that always confuses me :/ [11:57] yeah, although I don't drink much myself [11:57] yep [11:58] i think what that page Burgwork referred to is saying is that you can have commercial software which is open source [11:58] LaserJock: think of it this way: usually there are strings attached when you buy a beer for $random person you find attractive [11:58] which is of course a Good Thing [11:59] crimsun: ok, never done that, but I can understand that :-) [11:59] sorry, I should clarify that to read "...when someone buys you a beer"