[09:06] <Burgundavia> figured that might just a major event recently
[09:07] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:43] <mdke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-May/010876.html
[10:43] <mdke> wtf is that
[10:44] <mdke> i mean, seriously.
[10:45] <Burgundavia> mdke, no, idea, but it is cool
[10:45] <Burgundavia> what is DJL license?
[10:45] <mdke> cool in that it invalidates our docs 15 days before release
[10:45] <Burgundavia> is that the new Java license that Sun was talking about?
[10:45] <mdke> that's my favourite type of cool
[10:46] <Burgundavia> JavaOne starts today and I think they were planning on some type of announcement
[10:46] <mdke> yeah, but feature freeze started 3 months ago
[10:46] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc-commits/2006-May/002551.html <- add then there is this
[10:46] <Burgundavia> what is up with that, honestly
[10:47] <mdke> heh, yeah I saw that, nice one
[10:47] <Burgundavia> feature freeze does not apply to new packages in multi/universe
[10:47] <Burgundavia> my laptop broke, so I am back to my desktop for now
[10:47] <Burgundavia> broke as in, the installer broke
[10:47] <Burgundavia> I think it is a worth a string freeze to change our docs
[10:48] <Burgundavia> with regards to the java stuff
[10:49] <mdke> dude, translation freeze is TOMORROW
[10:49] <mdke> I find it unlikely that the translators will be able to deal with that
[10:50] <jsgotangco> amen
[10:50] <jsgotangco> hey :)
[10:52] <jsgotangco> 1 paragraph???
[10:52] <Burgundavia> it does suck that it came this late, but it is very cool
[10:52] <jsgotangco> you mean the advocacy page?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> no, the java thing
[10:52] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[11:02] <Burgundavia> mdke, since we are going to be pissing off our translators with that disks thing, shall we do the java thing at the same time>
[11:03] <mdke> Burgundavia: I want to find out what the java thing is, I'm mailing -devel now
[11:04] <Burgundavia> well, my cd has ended (I always enjoy beethoven) and it is 2am. I need to sleep
[11:04] <Burgundavia> night all
[11:05] <mdke> night
[11:11] <poningru> what disk thing?
[11:12] <poningru> and is now utterly confused
[11:13] <mdke> we're switching between -devel and here a bit
[11:15] <poningru> ah
[12:07] <jsgotangco> mdke: i got offered sponsorship
[12:09] <mdke> for coming to the conference? nice
[12:10] <rob> s/combind/combine
[12:41] <poningru> mdke: did you find out what the java thing was about?
[12:45] <mdke> poningru: not yet. I emailed about it
[12:46] <poningru> k
[01:40] <motin> I've got some stuff for Ubuntu documentation. It is work in progress, but will surely be helpful for new Ubuntu user's: http://wiki.motin.eu/HowToComfortablySwitchFromWindowsToUbuntu
[01:40] <motin> ..
[01:40] <motin> strange. ill try again
[01:40] <motin> I've got some stuff for Ubuntu documentation. It is work in progress, but will surely be helpful for new Ubuntu user's: http://wiki.motin.eu/HowToComfortablySwitchFromWindowsToUbuntu
[01:47] <rob> we saw it the first time, its written across our screens
[01:50] <mdke> motin: if you'd like to consider integrating your work with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows that would be great
[01:52] <motin> mdke: Hmm haven't seen that one
[01:53] <mdke> motin: one preliminary comment is not to link to ubuntuguide.org, it's really out of date. Try to get familiar with our documentation at http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06
[01:54] <mdke> bbl
[01:55] <motin> mdke: I'll not put the link out, since it has helped me on Dapper, but I will write a note about it being outdated, and refer to the official documentation instead
[01:55] <motin> rob: for some reason onyl half of it was displayed on my screen, so I tried again
[01:56] <rob> cool :P
[01:59] <motin> mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows and my wiki page have totally different goals. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows is a great resource, but pecks on details. Mine's plain practical and more suited as an alternative to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows. Full integration is not the best way to go here I believe. Rather a link or two in relevant chapters would be a nice way to do it. 
[02:11] <mdke> motin: well they both have the same basic aim. I don't see why the specific aims can't be accomodated in the same document. As for ubuntuguide.org, linking to an out of date resource is extremely unhealthy, especially where better documentation exists
[02:13] <motin> mdke: Okay i'll remove it. 
[02:13] <motin> I am integrating some parts of it right now
[02:13] <mdke> great
[02:32] <motin> There... updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwitchingFromWindows
[02:33] <jsgotangco> hey jjesse
[02:33] <jjesse> hiya jsgotangco
[02:33] <jsgotangco> how's it going
[02:34] <jjesse> got a killer headache today, probablly leaving work early :(
[02:34] <jsgotangco> awww
[02:35] <jjesse> dang it, got a note from Jane W saying that Canonical is willing to sponser me to go to the Ubuntu Developer Confrence in Paris, but i'm starting a new job the week before and won't have vacation :(
[02:35] <jjesse> dang it :(
[02:36] <jsgotangco> jjesse: same here
[02:36] <jsgotangco> heh go to Paris so we could meet up!
[02:36] <jjesse> i wish i could
[02:37] <jsgotangco> why not? dang...
[02:37] <jjesse> but new boss probablly won't like it if i say "I need a week of vacation to go to a confrence the week after i start
[02:37] <jsgotangco> well yeah, it'll be a hectic week as well
[02:38] <jsgotangco> (and being drunk at night)
[03:15] <mdke> mgalvin: any news on release notes?
[03:16] <mgalvin> mdke: yea, sorry about that... i was out of commision last week... i already started to work on them this week and should have some stuff to commit shortly
[03:16] <mdke> mgalvin: have the developers been doing some too?
[03:17] <mgalvin> mdke: not that i know of
[03:17] <mdke> mgalvin: ok.
[03:18] <jsgotangco> you wish!
[03:18] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes ?
[03:19] <jsgotangco> i started that
[03:19] <jsgotangco> that's from my old BreezyReleaseNotes
[03:19] <mdke> it looks as if it has had some work
[03:19] <mdke> mgalvin: ^
[03:20] <jsgotangco> yeah its still worth using
[03:20] <mgalvin> i have seen it... yea there is certainly stuff there we can use
[03:21] <jsgotangco> check BreezyReleaseNotes too on how it was structured, althought the Dapper preview pages are good for release notes too
[03:43] <glatzor> hi jsgotangco.
[03:43] <glatzor> may i ask you about the state of the g-a-i manual?
[03:45] <glatzor> has mvo already merged a later version? should I "fix" the issues myself in my branch?
[03:53] <jsgotangco> glatzor: hi
[03:54] <jsgotangco> glatzor: i'll have it fixed now, i did plan it to fix before the day ends
[03:54] <jsgotangco> glatzor: i did made some minor changes (like your name) but i think mvo wasn't able to merge
[03:54] <jsgotangco> glatzor: gimme a few minutes then i'll ping mvo
[03:55] <jsgotangco> glatzor: but if you want to make the change, feel free i'll merge from you
[06:29] <tristanbob_> I just downloaded Flight7, and I see an document with a missing image - Do you want to hear about that here?
[06:30] <mdke> tristanbob_: yes
[06:32] <tristanbob_> in the examples, document called "oo-introducing-ubuntu.odt" there is a place-holder for an image of Espresso
[06:32] <tristanbob_> well, Espresso is pretty much done, but no pic
[06:32] <mdke> tristanbob_: ok, can you file a bug on example-content?
[06:33] <jjesse> do we maintain the example content?
[06:34] <tristanbob_> mdke: yes I can do that
[06:52] <tristanbob_> mdke: looks like next time I will look at existing bugs BEFORE filing a new one
[06:52] <tristanbob_> I created a bug-report, then saw it already existed, so I marked mine as a duplicate
[06:53] <tristanbob_> ok I have another question related to Espresso
[06:53] <tristanbob_> is Espresso now called Ubiquity?
[06:53] <tristanbob_> and should the docs reflect that?
[06:54] <mdke> yes
[07:11] <LaserJock> mdke: have you gotten any better info on java than from robitaille?
[07:12] <Burgwork> mdke, have you pinged doko
[07:12] <Burgwork> ?
[07:13] <mdke> yes, I got the info
[07:17] <mdke> nothing to change yet
[07:17] <LaserJock> I suprised I hear anything about it
[07:18] <LaserJock> I didn't see any Feature Freeze stuff in -motu about it
[07:21] <LaserJock> Burgwork: thanks for the ESA edits, the LTSP section really flows nicely
[07:24] <Burgwork> LaserJock, hey, np
[07:24] <Burgwork> can I play on Tuesday after work as well?
[07:26] <LaserJock> I would think so
[07:26] <Burgwork> ok
[07:26] <LaserJock> I think cbx33 has been busy with work, etc.
[07:26] <Burgwork> I want to cut down the 9 items in difference to 7
[07:26] <Burgwork> plus I need to add one in, about licensing
[07:27] <LaserJock> which ones do you want to take out/merge?
[07:28] <Burgwork> I haven't really looked at that yet
[07:29] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I am going to email to edubuntu
[07:30] <LaserJock> Burgwork: good idea
[07:30] <Burgwork> overall, I really like the structure and the first bit is great
[07:34] <LaserJock> Burgwork: cool
[07:35] <LaserJock> I tried to rework it as much as I could with cbx33
[11:06] <mdke> hi
[11:06] <sivang> howdy guys
[11:07] <sivang> so, mdke :
[11:07] <sivang> Setting up scrollkeeper (0.3.14-11ubuntu1) ...
[11:07] <sivang> Rebuilding the database. This may take some time.
[11:07] <sivang> I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/common/zh_TW/preface.xml"
[11:07] <mdke> what version of ubuntu-docs are you using?
[11:07] <sivang> ///usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/serverguide/zh_TW/serverguide.xml:401: element include: XInclude error : could not load /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/common/zh_TW/preface.xml, and no fallback was found
[11:07] <mdke> yeah, I saw the paste already
[11:08] <mdke> don't worry about the version, I see the bug.
[11:08] <mdke> is it preventing you from installing something?
[11:13] <mdke> sivang: is it preventing you from installing something?
[11:18] <sivang> mdke: not that I saw , I just now rebooted after it was requested in my dist-upgrade process, but it seems that SK's db would be inconsistent now or lack this link to the server guide?
[11:19] <mdke> sivang: yes, that's fine. I've fixed it in our repository, it'll be in the next upload
[11:19] <sivang> mdke: cool, are you also the packager?
[11:21] <mdke> sivang: we all chip in. dholbach uploads
[11:22] <mdke> everyone can touch packages in Ubuntu, don't forget
[11:22] <sivang> mdke: cool :)
[11:22] <sivang> yes, I will not forget
[11:22] <LaserJock> essentially anybody with svn access can change the packaging
[11:23] <mdke> well, or anyone with upload rights :)
[11:23] <LaserJock> main upload rights
[11:23] <mdke> yeah
[11:44] <sivang> anywyay, laters. I have too many channels open. I need to close some
[11:44] <mdke> bye
[11:57] <LaserJock> mdke: free-as-in-beer is cost, right?
[11:57] <LaserJock> I'm not a beer drinker so that always confuses me :/
[11:57] <mdke> yeah, although I don't drink much myself
[11:57] <Burgwork> yep
[11:58] <mdke> i think what that page Burgwork referred to is saying is that you can have commercial software which is open source
[11:58] <crimsun> LaserJock: think of it this way: usually there are strings attached when you buy a beer for $random person you find attractive
[11:58] <mdke> which is of course a Good Thing
[11:59] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, never done that, but I can understand that :-)
[11:59] <crimsun> sorry, I should clarify that to read "...when someone buys you a beer"