[12:05] <zul> ah..
[01:19] <ajmitch> morning
[01:20] <tritium> morning, ajmitch
[01:26] <zul> evening ajmitch
[01:32] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[03:30] <zul> bugs...squash them to little itty bits
[03:32] <ajmitch> mmm
[03:38] <zul> later
[06:37] <Hobbsee> hi everyone
[06:37] <ajmitch> hello
[06:38] <Laser_away> hi Hobbsee and ajmitch
[06:38] <kgoetz> hi active people
[06:38] <ajmitch> hello Laser_away :)
[06:38] <Hobbsee> hi Laser_away
[06:39] <Laser_away> Hobbsee: I see you had your hands on cdbs
[06:39] <Hobbsee> Laser_away: that i did :)
[06:39] <ajmitch> soon she'll be going for core-dev
[06:39] <Hobbsee> ack!  what an idea!
[06:39] <Hobbsee> i dont think you'd want me killing the repos...
[06:40] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and surely i should be going for motu first?
[06:40] <ajmitch> it would help
[06:42] <ajmitch> we'd expect that you wouldn't
[06:42] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[06:47] <Laser_away> Hobbsee: the point will come though... you'll find you need MOTUness to get done what you need to get done
[06:48] <Hobbsee> true...
[06:48] <ajmitch> because it's just useful to be able to work on your own
[06:48] <Hobbsee> at some point
[06:48] <ajmitch> I could do everything by begging people to upload as well
[06:48] <ajmitch> it quickly gets tiring
[06:48] <Laser_away> true
[06:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:48] <Laser_away> and it gets tiring for sponsors too
[06:49] <Hobbsee> true
[06:50] <ajmitch> we suggest people go for it as soon as they're ready
[06:50] <ajmitch> but not too soon
[06:51] <ajmitch> that's fine
[06:51] <ajmitch> just keep working until you do
[09:23] <dholbach> good morning motu world
[09:23] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach
[09:23] <Hobbsee> dholbach: pm?
[09:24] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[09:24] <Mithrandir> hello Daniel
[09:24] <dholbach> Hobbsee: sure
[09:24] <dholbach> hey Tollef!
[09:24] <Mithrandir> 'sup today?
[09:25] <Hobbsee> hi Mithrandir
[09:26] <dholbach> Mithrandir: icons
[09:29] <Yagisan> Mithrandir: mr 64bit :) have any howto's or pointers for porting code to amd64/ia64 ?
[09:36] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: ouch.
[09:36] <Mithrandir> Yagisan: "don't store pointers in ints"
[09:36] <Hobbsee> just you wait till i meet you in person :P
[09:37] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I think I'll bring some rope and handcuffs then. :-)
[09:37] <Hobbsee> heh...so you have a deathwish hey, and a wish to hear hobbsee scream?  odd.
[09:38] <Mithrandir> I guess I should get some foot irons too, to avoid you stomping my feet.
[09:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:38] <Hobbsee> because it would hurt oh so much, yes :P
[09:39] <Mithrandir> and since you're a girl you'd probably have heels suitable for making holes in my feet and all
[09:40] <Mithrandir> ok, so my feet (or at least one of them) will just be of uniform thickness, then. :-P
[09:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:40] <Mithrandir> ah, so no need for foot irons, I can just get your shoe size and find some high-heeled shoes?
[09:40] <Yagisan> Mithrandir: I didn't. unfortunately the codebase I've inherited has.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:41] <Mithrandir> Yagisan: well, porting to 64 bit is mostly that.  Also, don't assume sizeof(int) != sizeof(long).
[09:43] <Toadstool> 'morning motus
[09:44] <Hobbsee> hi Toadstool - congratulations on membership, btw
[09:44] <Toadstool> hi Hobbsee, thanks :)
[09:45] <Yagisan> approx 336 warnings about pointers and ints :(
[09:52] <thesaltydog> if a .deb package build-depends on libgtk2-perl>=1:1.100, how can it be correctly synch'ed in ubuntu, stating that ubuntu's lib doesn't have the epoch 1:?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> ah, pity, you're not in #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:35] <ajmitch> interesting stuff happening there?
[10:37] <Hobbsee> sure, i'm using my pitchfork and flaming torch, along with the rest of my army.
[10:37] <ajmitch> ah
[10:42] <sivang> morning all
[10:51] <StevenK> Aww, she went away.
[10:52] <ajmitch> I understand why debian has expulsion procedures now :)
[10:53] <ajmitch> & I'm glad that we have the CC to fall back on here
[10:54] <StevenK> However, Sven didn't even up getting kicked out.
[10:54] <ajmitch> I know..
[10:54] <StevenK> And oh yes, having the CC as a fallback is a good thing.
[10:55] <ajmitch> and so we get endless threads, bugs filed for the tech committee, DPL getting dragged in, etc
[10:55] <StevenK> Just wait for the GR.
[10:55] <StevenK> Everyone is apparently "on Frans's side."
[10:56] <ajmitch> he did *say* he won't go for the GR :)
[10:56] <StevenK> I am of the opinion that Sven will say one thing and do another.
[10:57] <zakame> hi all
[10:57] <zakame> erm wth sven talk here? =P
[10:57] <ajmitch> zakame: you're right, we should stop
[10:58] <zakame> hehe
[10:58] <zakame> with sven and jltallon around, we've plenty of examples _not_ to follow :/
[10:59] <ajmitch> heh
[11:02] <StevenK> I have half a mind to send a mail to Sven accusing him of practising dentistry without a license. Only a dentist can hide behind "this won't hit a bit" and then start ripping chunks of your mouth out.
[11:02] <ajmitch> don't remind me of that
[11:02] <ajmitch> I've got to see a dentist soon
[11:03] <StevenK> Heh. Oops.
[11:04] <ajmitch> :)
[11:05] <zakame> lol
[11:05] <ajmitch> laptops are rather useful - lets me get much closer to the heater
[11:07] <StevenK> My Dual Athlon was good during winter.
[11:08] <ajmitch> yes, my dual-core system doesn't seem to run nearly hot enough
[11:08] <StevenK> Close the door, wait 20 minutes, and the ambient temp in the room was up 5 degrees.
[11:08] <ajmitch> not bad
[11:08] <StevenK> My little amd64 runs very cool, so doesn't do the same thing.
[11:08] <ajmitch> though being up 5C for me would mean it'd be about 15C at best :)
[11:09] <StevenK> Heh
[11:09] <ajmitch> ok, 8.1C outside, apparantly
[11:09] <StevenK> 16C here, according to the weather applet
[11:10] <ajmitch> colder than I expected
[11:10] <StevenK> Like other people have said, .au doesn't have winter, it just has the absence of summer.
[11:11] <ajmitch> I didn't think sydney was meant to get below 20C? :)
[11:11] <StevenK> Hah. During winter it will regularly drop to 9C before the sun is up.
[11:11] <ajmitch> wow
[11:12] <ajmitch> that's really cold ;)
[11:12] <ajmitch> it'll frequently be < 0C here in winter
[11:13] <Mithrandir> 16C is nice and warm.
[11:13] <StevenK> No, 26C is nice and warm.
[11:13] <ogra> Mithrandir, pfft, thats not even what i call spring here
[11:14] <StevenK> I'm wearing 3 layers of clothing and it's double that.
[11:14] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: you start sweating when it's over 10?
[11:15] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: no, not really.  Above 25-30, maybe.
[12:37] <Whoopie> Hi, can I somewhere see that a sync with a debian package is requested and what the status is?
[01:01] <tehwaXC> I am having some issues while trying to install libswingwt-java
[01:02] <tehwaXC> it is saying that it depends on a package I have installed, but it says that said package is uninstallable
[01:02] <tehwaXC> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/libswingwt-java is trying to tell me something, but i am not sure what
[01:03] <tehwaXC> the dependant package is libswt-gtk-3.1-java
[01:10] <tehwaXC> After further research, the solution appears beyond the scope of an IRC chat.
[01:10] <tehwaXC> many thanks
[01:18] <Riddell> dholbach: can you select to use the hicolour icon theme in gnome?
[01:18] <dholbach> Riddell: no, but it's standard fallback to everything
[01:19] <Riddell> good, thanks
[01:19] <dholbach> thanks
[01:21] <ajmitch> hi dholbach, Riddell
[01:23] <ajmitch> yay, zope2.8 & most of the products should be installable now
[01:53] <zul> heylo
[01:54] <ajmitch> hey zul
[01:56] <zul> hey ajmitch
[02:24] <freeflying> crimsun: hi
[02:24] <crimsun> freeflying: hi
[02:25] <freeflying> crimsun: how about the zhcon  :)
[02:26] <crimsun> freeflying: I haven't looked yet, been busy, will try to this morning (ETA: 4 hours)
[02:26] <freeflying> crimsun: thx
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:49] <zul> hi Hobbsee
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hi zul :)
[03:07] <sivang> hi all
[03:19] <tuxmaniac> Hello World
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hi sivang and tuxmaniac
[03:22] <Hobbsee> heh.
[07:20] <LaserJock> hi \sh
[07:21] <\sh> moins
[07:23] <crimsun> hullo folks
[07:24] <zul> hey \sh
[07:24] <\sh> hey zul
[07:26] <LaserJock> hi crimsun and zul
[07:27] <crimsun> 'lo
[07:27] <zul> hilo
[08:37] <LaserJock> hmm, it's been a while since we had a MOTU meeting
[08:38] <zul> hmmm...is there one coming up?
[08:38] <LaserJock> none planned as far as I can see
[08:38] <zul> i guess everyone is busy with dapper
[08:39] <LaserJock> maybe we should have one last one before the release
[08:39] <zul> send a note to the ml
[09:06] <goedson> dholbach: ping.
[09:06] <dholbach> goedson: pong
[09:07] <goedson> dholbach: I've recieved a request for updating a translation for gnomebaker in Dapper.
[09:07] <goedson> May I mail it to you?
[09:07] <goedson> I don't have an ubuntu system available to build a new package.
[09:07] <dholbach> goedson: could you open a bug report for that?
[09:08] <dholbach> I'm quite busy with stuff, but I'd set it on my list to make sure it gets done - does that work for you?
[09:08] <goedson> dholbach: In launchpad?
[09:08] <dholbach> yeah
[09:08] <goedson> dholbach: Will do it.
[09:08] <dholbach> http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnomebaker/+filebug
[09:08] <dholbach> goedson: thanks a lot
[09:13] <huats> does anybody can help me : I've made a bug fix
[09:13] <dholbach> huats: what package did you fix?
[09:14] <huats> libogg
[09:14] <huats> I've send the bug to motu reviewers
[09:14] <huats> but I have an answer that it is not the right place to do, because it is not in universe
[09:14] <zul> libogg is in main isnt it?
[09:15] <huats> that is the pb
[09:15] <huats> so who should I contact for a review ?
[09:16] <zul> i might be able to look at it tonight whats the bug number?
[09:16] <huats> 38580
[09:16] <huats> it is a small bug, (in documentation) but a bug anyway...
[09:16] <zul> thanks ill have a look at it tonight
[09:17] <huats> zul, thanks to you
[09:17] <zul> dholbach: it gives me the chance to see if uploading to main works for me ;)
[09:17] <zul> huats: no problem..
[09:17] <dholbach> zul: enjoy :)
[09:21] <huats> but just to know : which team can I join to ask for a review if the package is in main ?
[09:21] <goedson> dholbach: Done. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnomebaker/+bug/44894/+index
[09:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44894 in gnomebaker "Slovak translation seriously buggy" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[09:22] <LaserJock> huats: I don't really think there is one, you just have to bug somebody that is a Main dev (ubuntu-core-dev on LP)
[09:22] <dholbach> goedson: excellent - I'll add it to my list and assign to motureviewers, so it will get done
[09:23] <huats> LaserJock, Hi
[09:24] <huats> LaserJock, thanks
[09:24] <LaserJock> np
[09:25] <zul> hauts: the documentation works for me but there is no ogg directory in the doc directory, is this for breezy or dapper?
[09:26] <LaserJock> zul: should be dapper
[09:26] <LaserJock> zul: I had a look at it the other day with huats
[09:27] <zul> ah i see now..
[09:27] <huats> zul, yep dapper
[09:27] <huats> zul, LaserJock almost did everything...
[09:27] <zul> ok ill fix it tonight
[09:28] <huats> zul,  cool
[10:09] <phanatic> hi people
[10:09] <Spec> hi person
[10:10] <phanatic> Spec: :)
[10:27] <phanatic> could somebody have a look at this package please (uvf exception granted)? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2333
[10:30] <crimsun> phanatic: looks fine
[10:30] <phanatic> crimsun: thanks
[10:43] <crimsun> phanatic: I uploaded, but the archive is not accepting my uploads again (qprocd bug)
[10:44] <crimsun> this is quickly becoming irksome.
[10:44] <LaserJock> crimsun: want me to do it?
[10:44] <phanatic> crimsun: thank you.
[10:44] <crimsun> LaserJock: sure
[10:44] <LaserJock> umm, I see it on dapper-changes
[10:44] <crimsun> oh, goodie
[10:52] <crimsun> well, I suppose it's as good a time as any to dive into emacs now that I've a need for diff-mode
[10:52] <LaserJock> emacs? as opposed to vim?
[10:53] <crimsun> yes, I've used vi/m for my entire UNIX exposure
[10:53] <LaserJock> and the vim diff stuff isn't sufficent?
[10:53] <crimsun> does it autoadjust?
[10:53] <LaserJock> heck if I know, I haven't used emacs or vim for diff
[10:54] <sivang> LaserJock: are you still working on the ubuntu packaging manual ?
[10:54] <sivang> LaserJock (the one that gets installed in yelp currently)
[10:54] <LaserJock> sivang: it is in string freeze but edgy is open
[10:54] <sivang> LaserJock: amazing stuff :)
[10:54] <crimsun> ah, vimdiff
[10:55] <sivang> LaserJock: I like the approach very much, especially the "from scratch" section
[10:55] <sivang> LaserJock: I wonder if we could extend it a bit more, plans for edgy I guess :)
[10:55] <LaserJock> oh, well thanks. I hope more people will pick it up for edgy
[10:55] <LaserJock> sivang: oh yes, this was my first time writing docs, etc. and I was trying to make MOTU
[10:55] <LaserJock> Edgy will rock ;-)
[10:56] <LaserJock> patch systems especially need work
[10:56] <sivang> LaserJock: none the less, this is amazing work you'e started there
[10:57] <LaserJock> well, I tried to put together all the scattered material out there and use real examples
[10:57] <LaserJock> and write it more for people wanting to contribute
[10:58] <LaserJock> we'll see if it works
[10:58] <LaserJock> I think shipping a packaging guide in the distro help is really cool
[10:58] <LaserJock> there is also a print version that people can get
[10:59] <crimsun> gah, I'm credited :/
[10:59] <LaserJock> in the Packaging Guide? of course
[11:03] <LaserJock> sivang: if there is something you want to see in Edgy add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide
[11:07] <pygi> Hi
[11:08] <pygi> can somebody please tell me who do I bug to make sure Monodevelop 0.11 is in dapper? :)
[11:10] <LaserJock> pygi: you need a UVF exception bug if it is a new release
[11:10] <LaserJock> pygi: but we are very deep into the freeze so it would need to be really important bug fixes
[11:10] <pygi> yea, I know, but I remember I must have someone to update if for me :P
[11:11] <LaserJock> the motu-uvf LP team is in charge of approving exceptions
[11:12] <pygi> LaserJock, http://www.monodevelop.com/Release_notes_for_MonoDevelop_0.11
[11:14] <pygi> LaserJock, any chance that will get in?
[11:21] <LaserJock> pygi: not sure, at this point we might be more inclined to patch the current version to fix the bugs, but I don't make that decision
[11:22] <pygi> LaserJock, ah, ok :)
[11:23] <LaserJock> pygi: is there an update source version available?
[11:23] <pygi> LaserJock, not sure :-/
[11:25] <LaserJock> revu.tauware.de perhaps
[11:26] <LaserJock> because there isn't much of a point to have a UVF exception for a package that doesn't exist ;-)
[11:26] <pygi> argh :(
[11:26] <pygi> there is no that package :(
[11:27] <crimsun> which package, and where?
[11:27] <crimsun> monodevelop | 0.10-0pre1ubuntu6 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[11:28] <pygi> crimsun, monodevelop 0.11 :)
[11:28] <crimsun> not on revu, or not upstream? (sorry, just switched buffers)
[11:29] <LaserJock> crimsun: I told him to try to find a monodevelop 0.11 source package if he wants a UVFe
[11:30] <pygi> ah, just source package? :)
[11:30] <pygi> http://go-mono.com/sources/monodevelop/monodevelop-0.11.tar.gz
[11:30] <pygi> that one? :P
[11:31] <crimsun> that's a start.
[11:31] <crimsun> you might want to check in #debian-mono to see if anyone has already done work on 0.11.
[11:31] <LaserJock> pygi: source as in ubuntu source package
[11:33] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, #debian-mono is a good idea
[11:33] <pygi> if not, I can always package it :P
[11:41] <pygi> LaserJock, crimsun, ok , thanks,I found the way out of this situation :)
[11:53] <Whoopie> Hi, is something wrong with the sync process or is the archive team "only" really busy?
[11:54] <crimsun> Whoopie: the latter.
[11:54] <LaserJock> Whoopie: probably really busy + debconf6
[11:55] <crimsun> we're talking /extremely/ busy
[11:58] <Whoopie> crimsun: ok, what's debconf6 ?
[11:59] <crimsun> Whoopie: the Debian developers' conference
[11:59] <Whoopie> ah!
[12:00] <Whoopie> crimsun: I saw your debdiff for the EmulateWheelTimeout problem. Thanks for it. But shouldn't the patch be in the debian/patches directory and not applied directly?
[12:02] <crimsun> Whoopie: xserver-xorg-input-mouse does not build-depend on a patch system, and there is no existing debian/patches/, so no.