[12:55] <Phlosten> morning bimberi 
[04:43] <Yagisan> G'day all
[04:43] <Yagisan> ogra: you here ?
[05:50] <HedgeMage> Okay, corrected typos in https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/StandAloneInstallation and split off the "what now" bit into its own chapter... if anyone would like to do another round of proofing on the chapter I just pasted a link to, it would be appreciated.
[05:50] <HedgeMage> once I figure out how, I'll link in the screenshots
[05:53] <Phlosten> so thats like a complete guide to edubuntu you are working on?
[05:55] <mhz> hmmm
[05:56] <mhz> were you HedgeMage the one asking me to translate an URL for Edubuntu something Laser..?
[05:57] <HedgeMage> Phlosten: that's one chapter of the cookbook (more a starter guide than a complete one)
[05:58] <HedgeMage> mhz: I didn't ask you to... I think
[05:58] <HedgeMage> this is the first day in a week I haven't been dangerously sleep deprived so who knows what I've forgotten...
[05:58] <Phlosten> nice, might have to help out on that one
[05:58] <mhz> hmmm.
[05:59] <Phlosten> who logs these days? ;)
[05:59] <mhz> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/LaserJock
[06:00] <mhz> well, someone did ask me to
[06:00] <mhz> :)
[06:00] <HedgeMage> probably LaserJock :P
[06:00] <mhz> and it was not LaserJock
[06:00] <mhz> anyways
[06:00] <mhz> that page is just getting perfect for many purposes
[06:02] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[06:02] <HedgeMage> no clue then :)
[06:03] <HedgeMage> I do keep extensive logs though and I'll grep this chan for the URL
[06:03] <mhz> okis, sorry
[06:05] <HedgeMage> nope, not in my logs... I must not have been around at the time
[06:05] <HedgeMage> sorry :(
[06:06] <mhz> heheh
[06:06] <mhz> thx anyways
[06:06] <HedgeMage> np
[06:06] <mhz> ohh, BTWm when is the PAris thing?
[06:07] <Laser_away> cbx33 might have asked you to do EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[06:07] <Laser_away> the /LaserJock part was my trying to work out structure and such
[06:07] <HedgeMage> Anyone here up for some monopoly while I edit?
[06:07] <mhz> Laser_away: ooohh, yes! he did!
[06:08] <Laser_away> mhz: I don't think we are quite done with it yet though
[06:08] <mhz> Laser_away: but is it ok if i start trasnlating it?
[06:09] <mhz> ok = worth?
[06:09] <mhz> oops, my typos!
[06:09] <Laser_away> hmm, I'm really not sure
[06:10] <mhz> hmm.
[06:10] <Laser_away> if it was me I would probably wait for a couple days, but then I'm a major procrastonator
[06:10] <mhz> hehehe
[06:10] <Laser_away> Paris will be June 19-23, btw
[06:10] <mhz> but , you think there will be major changes or just adding or reducing a couple of lines here and there?
[06:11] <mhz> Laser_away: ok, cool
[06:11] <mhz> we'll there be any live-sessions so that WE, the ones not even with a slight  chance to get there can participate?
[06:12] <bimberi> mhz: iirc the version on the wiki is a little old and they are using ubuntu-docteam methods (docbook???)
[06:12] <mhz> participate = at least be there, virtually?
[06:12] <Laser_away> I think there *could* be some major changes, but I think that the chances increase as you go down the doc
[06:12] <mhz> bimberi: hmmm, probably right
[06:12] <Laser_away> bimberi: we are, but cbx33 is updating the wiki as we go along
[06:12] <Laser_away> so that we can keep it as a wiki resource as well
[06:13] <bimberi> mhz: at UBZ they had a #ubuntu-ubz channel (i think) but it was mostly used for chat / rendezvous (eg. "see you in the foyer at 19:00") :)
[06:13] <bimberi> Laser_away: ah, thanks :)
[06:13] <Laser_away> mhz: can you delete pages off the moin wiki sandbox?
[06:14] <mhz> well, Sandbox purpose is just to be there, as test
[06:14] <mhz> so yeah, basically, we could delete all its contents
[06:14] <Laser_away> hmm
[06:14] <mhz> but please do not delete the page
[06:14] <mhz> :)
[06:14] <Laser_away> well, I sort of created a subpage the other day
[06:14] <mhz> or you mean, "can you, mhz...?"
[06:15] <Laser_away> to test the moin -> docbook
[06:15] <Laser_away> and I couldn't delete it directly
[06:15] <mhz> hmmm interesting
[06:15] <mhz> can you point me to an url so I can check?
[06:16] <Laser_away> yeah, just a sec. It was sort of a stupid thing to do but I didn't know how to do moin -> docbook in a hurry otherwise
[06:16] <mhz> hehehe
[06:16] <mhz> no worries
[06:17] <Laser_away> hmm, actually it must have been deleted. I don't see it anymore
[06:17] <mhz> Well, there is an openoffice2moin parser, iirc
[06:17] <mhz> oh, there you go
[06:17] <mhz> maybe Madpilot deleted it
[06:17] <Laser_away> sweet, I didn't want my stupidity saved for people to see for all eternity
[06:17] <mhz> OR, maybe and most probably, SandBox is considered a System page
[06:18] <mhz> therefore, I doubt we have privileges to delete pages or subpages to it
[06:18] <mhz> Laser_away: nah, not stupidity
[06:22] <mhz> GOOD news!
[06:22] <mhz> Edubuntu shows up again on a local education magazine
[06:22] <LaserJock> cool
[06:24] <mhz> but please dont ask him to translate it because he's got lots of pendings
[06:24] <mhz> :)
[06:25] <LaserJock> that is what I was going to say, it might not be helpful if you don't translate it for me
[06:25] <mhz> lol
[06:27] <jsgotangco> whats up?
[06:28] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[06:28] <mhz> hey, jsgotangco 
[06:28] <jsgotangco> hey
[06:28] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i also got offered sponsorship
[06:28] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: great
[06:29] <LaserJock> so I think the whole EC will be there
[06:29] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: that's really awesome (once in a lifetime)
[06:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: great!
[06:29] <LaserJock> mhz: did you send an email to ubuntu-doc?
[06:29] <mhz> heheh, nope because I was counting on jsgotangco directions :D
[06:33] <jsgotangco> mhz: its a long, hard process that and im not qualified for such
[06:33] <jsgotangco> its actually iwj's expertise
[06:33] <mhz> iwj?
[06:35] <mhz> jsgotangco: any chance you could encourage Paris organization to consider some live sessions so the ones not coming can still "feel like we're there" ?
[06:35] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFirefoxStartPageTranslation
[06:35] <mhz> duh!
[06:35] <jsgotangco> lunch brb
[06:35] <mhz> if that is it, I hammer one of my right toes
[06:36] <jsgotangco> mhz: honestly, developer summits are chaotic and even a podcast or a live feed would be useless
[06:37] <mhz> hmm
[06:37] <mhz> okis
[08:46] <pygi> JaneW, hi,poke ::)
[08:50] <JaneW> pygi: hi
[08:51] <pygi> hi, how are you? :)
[08:51] <JaneW> good thanks and you?
[08:52] <pygi> great I am :)
[08:52] <pygi> do we have final number of slots perhaps?
[08:52] <JaneW> slots?
[08:53] <pygi> well, how much applications google will accept
[08:53] <JaneW> oh sorry, I wasn;t thinking SoC...
[08:53] <JaneW> no we'll only really know when the selections is made
[08:53] <JaneW> unless something has been mailed in the mean time
[08:53] <JaneW> I am still struggling with mail since saturady
[08:54] <pygi> argh :-/
[08:54] <JaneW> yes it is beyond an inconvenience now
[08:54] <JaneW> :/
[08:54] <pygi> Google said they will say the final number of slots this week
[08:54] <pygi> for each org.
[08:54] <JaneW> oic
[08:55] <pygi> :)
[08:56] <JaneW> gah, it's not even pingable now...
[08:56] <JaneW> pygi: I am still expecting 15 or so
[08:56] <pygi> is it so bad :-/
[08:56] <JaneW> any above that will be lucky
[08:56] <pygi> hm, lemme count good proposals by now
[08:57] <pygi> argh, 16 pieces
[08:57] <JaneW> I want to have 30 in the list
[08:58] <pygi> urgh :-/
[08:58] <pygi> even those 16 dont all have mentors
[08:58] <pygi> actually, most of them dont
[08:58] <JaneW> I actually I asked for 25, so perhaps stay with 25 max
[08:58] <pygi> oki, but how are we to do that when everyone stopped rankin'? *yes, yes, some will wait until the end*
[08:59] <JaneW> the guys have been looking at them and discussing them amoung themselves so they are considering them
[08:59] <JaneW> I will ping them again (esp when I have mail)
[08:59] <JaneW> by Friday they need to have selected their favorite 2 or 3 each
[09:00] <pygi> problem is most of those stuff is either dups or something that we really dont need/want
[09:00] <JaneW> there should be at least 15 more or less reasonable ones
[09:01] <JaneW> heno has 2 definite projects and is busy selecting the best proposal for each
[09:01] <JaneW> some of the mentors are facilitating ML discussions too
[09:01] <pygi> I have 1 definite project by now
[09:01] <pygi> I'd also like to mentor Teresa, but ...
[09:02] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=tere.ertw@gmail.com:15f086bf:c32d38be
[09:02] <pygi> so she should probably just change it to evolution plugin :-/
[09:03] <JaneW> if you can manage to mentor 2 that's great
[09:03] <pygi> and that Rollback thingy is probably off also :-/
[09:04] <pygi> no worries about me :)
[09:05] <pygi> should we wait on other mentors opinion on this one, or just vote it down? *considering the comment James made*
[09:05] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=TG.KillerX@gmail.com:10e66774:698f1a1f
[09:06] <JaneW> discuss with seb128 (I think he is evo guy) to make sure he is happy
[09:06] <pygi> ok, will do
[09:06] <JaneW> and change the scope if necessary and then go for it
[09:06] <JaneW> I can't access my mail *gggrrrr*
[09:07] <JaneW> PING hedwig.hbd.co.za (196.36.161.226) 56(84) bytes of data.
[09:07] <JaneW> --- hedwig.hbd.co.za ping statistics ---
[09:07] <JaneW> 244 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 243310ms
[09:07] <pygi> ugh :-/
[09:08] <juliux> JaneW, the ping time is very very slow from here
[09:08] <JaneW> well the diginet lines went down on the week-end (512k)
[09:09] <JaneW> yesterday they patched in a 64k ISDN
[09:09] <JaneW> so we had a trickle from late afternoon
[09:09] <JaneW> now it's all down again
[09:09] <crimsun> geez, 243s? That's nearly carrier pigeon.
[09:09] <juliux> JaneW, it isnt down from germany ;)
[09:09] <Phlosten> sounds like fun
[09:09] <JaneW> I spent the whole evening pulling mail down and restarting when it hung
[09:09] <JaneW> juliux: really?
[09:09] <juliux> JaneW, PING hedwig.hbd.co.za (196.36.161.226) 56(84) bytes of data.
[09:09] <juliux> 64 bytes from hedwig.hbd.co.za (196.36.161.226): icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=660 ms
[09:09] <juliux> 64 bytes from hedwig.hbd.co.za (196.36.161.226): icmp_seq=2 ttl=45 time=654 ms
[09:09] <juliux> 64 bytes from hedwig.hbd.co.za (196.36.161.226): icmp_seq=3 ttl=45 time=622 ms
[09:09] <juliux> 64 bytes from hedwig.hbd.co.za (196.36.161.226): icmp_seq=4 ttl=45 time=631 ms
[09:09] <juliux> 64 bytes from hedwig.hbd.co.za (196.36.161.226): icmp_seq=5 ttl=45 time=618 ms
[09:09] <juliux> --- hedwig.hbd.co.za ping statistics ---
[09:09] <juliux> 6 packets transmitted, 5 received, 16% packet loss, time 5004ms
[09:09] <juliux> but it is very very slow
[09:10] <JaneW> hrm!
[09:10] <crimsun> half a sec beats the pants off 243 secs
[09:10] <juliux> and i have a 100Mbit internet connection
[09:10] <JaneW> juliux: ping mail.hbd.com
[09:10] <JaneW> same IP, just an alias
[09:11] <juliux> PING hedwig.hbd.co.za (196.36.161.226) 56(84) bytes of data.
[09:11] <juliux> 64 bytes from hedwig.hbd.co.za (196.36.161.226): icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=633 ms
[09:11] <juliux> 64 bytes from hedwig.hbd.co.za (196.36.161.226): icmp_seq=2 ttl=45 time=627 ms
[09:11] <juliux> --- hedwig.hbd.co.za ping statistics ---
[09:11] <juliux> 3 packets transmitted, 2 received, 33% packet loss, time 1999ms
[09:11] <juliux> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 627.659/630.561/633.464/3.009 ms
[09:11] <JaneW> odd
[09:11] <JaneW> what can I do?
[09:11] <juliux> JaneW, can you ping the ip address?
[09:11] <JaneW> no
[09:13] <juliux> JaneW, not good
[09:14] <JaneW> what's the trace route command? I haven;t used it for AGES
[09:14] <JaneW> and last time was on windows
[09:14] <pygi> ergh. JaneW no go :-/
[09:15] <crimsun> try tracepath ip
[09:15] <juliux> JaneW, traceroute 196.36.161.226
[09:16] <JaneW> juliux: no... bash: traceroute: command not found
[09:16] <juliux> JaneW, sudo apt-get install traceroute
[09:16] <JaneW> no way!
[09:16] <JaneW> you have to install it?
[09:16] <juliux> yes
[09:16] <JaneW> odd
[09:16] <pygi> lol :)
[09:16] <crimsun> yeah, only tracepath6 is installed by default
[09:16] <crimsun> argh, traceroute6
[09:18] <JaneW> yikes more than 10 hops already
[09:19] <JaneW> ok stuck now...
[09:19] <JaneW> jane@janew:~$ traceroute mail.hbd.com
[09:19] <JaneW> traceroute to hedwig.hbd.co.za (196.36.161.226), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
[09:19] <JaneW>  1  192.168.0.99 (192.168.0.99)  1.886 ms  1.824 ms  1.729 ms
[09:19] <JaneW>  2  dsl-146-128-01.telkomadsl.co.za (165.146.128.1)  17.533 ms  19.903 ms  20.736 ms
[09:19] <JaneW>  3  wbs-ip-esr-2-gig-6-1-0-611.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.43.23.9)  19.328 ms  19.888 ms  19.985 ms
[09:19] <JaneW>  4  * * *
[09:19] <JaneW>  5  196.43.23.222 (196.43.23.222)  33.531 ms  41.181 ms  36.961 ms
[09:19] <JaneW>  6  196.25.239.254 (196.25.239.254)  50.048 ms  59.937 ms  110.211 ms
[09:19] <JaneW>  7  168.209.86.165 (168.209.86.165)  51.965 ms  48.020 ms  39.995 ms
[09:19] <JaneW>  8  core2a-rba-gi4-0-0.rtr.isnet.net (196.26.0.8)  60.116 ms  49.838 ms  50.069 ms
[09:19] <JaneW>  9  168.209.100.78 (168.209.100.78)  331.341 ms  320.381 ms  390.652 ms
[09:19] <JaneW> 10  168.209.2.130 (168.209.2.130)  320.340 ms  340.405 ms  314.921 ms
[09:19] <JaneW> 11  * * *
[09:19] <JaneW> 12  * * *
[09:19] <JaneW> 13  * * *
[09:19] <JaneW> 14  * *
[09:21] <juliux> JaneW, here it stops on 
[09:21] <juliux> 16  core1a-rba-gi2-0-0.rtr.isnet.net (196.26.0.7)  561.391 ms  547.614 ms  534.077 ms
[09:21] <juliux> 17  168.209.100.74 (168.209.100.74)  471.600 ms  458.781 ms  468.121 ms
[09:21] <juliux> 18  168.209.2.129 (168.209.2.129)  506.082 ms  484.884 ms  464.295 ms
[09:21] <juliux> 19  168.209.21.114 (168.209.21.114)  540.720 ms  566.924 ms  576.510 ms
[09:22] <JaneW> juliux: thanks
[09:22] <JaneW> I guess this is going to be another frustrating day
[09:22] <jsgotangco> JaneW: stop hacking the payroll server
[09:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:22] <juliux> JaneW, you can try to phone African Network Information Center
[09:23] <juliux> JaneW, whois 168.209.2.130 there is the phone number
[09:23] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ;P
[09:26] <jsgotangco> hmm pete is not online
[10:27] <JaneW> JaneW SoC mentors: I will try to mail later (but our mail is down again here...) please can you look at finalising the application review, ranking and make your selections for mentoring by COB tomorrow (wed 17 May).
[10:37] <juliux> JaneW, do you need an smtp relay to mail?
[10:37] <JaneW> juliux: I do have one thanks
[10:37] <juliux> JaneW, ok
[10:37] <JaneW> juliux: now I just need the mail to come in so that I can respond
[10:38] <juliux> JaneW, ah ok
[10:38] <JaneW> I have a bunch of headers which came down
[10:38] <JaneW> with quie a lot of NB stuff, but I can't get to it!!!
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[01:15] <lucasvo> 16:18 < lucasvo> I have a problem building my ltsp chroot on ppc
[01:16] <lucasvo> ogra: 
[01:16] <lucasvo> 16:20 < lucasvo> W: Failure to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/powerpc dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.9ubuntu4_powerpc.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.11-powerpc.deb
[01:16] <lucasvo> 16:20 < lucasvo> oh crap, I missed ogra again
[01:33] <kwwii> ogra: ping?
[02:12] <ogra> kwwii, pong
[02:13] <kwwii> ogra: thought I would offer my help with an usplash, if needed
[02:13] <kwwii> ogra: is there an artwork wiki or such for edubuntu? (/me just found the ubuntu-art list today - wayyyy too late)
[02:14] <ogra> yeah
[02:14] <ogra> no, we have no strict guidelines for edubuntu artwork, usually a community vote in the edubuntu meeting decides 
[02:15] <mhz> hi all
[02:15] <ogra> it would be fine to stick half way with the colors we use currently, just to keep the recognition factor
[02:15] <mhz> Anyone knows Ian Jackson?
[02:15] <ogra> mhz, thats iwj or Diziat in #ubuntu-devel
[02:15] <ogra> *diziet
[02:15] <mhz> ogra: good fellas?
[02:16] <mhz>  /join #ubuntu-devel
[02:16] <ogra> kwwii, the stuff viper550 posted is *not* what we want (pink with yellow just scares me)
[02:16] <mhz> duh
[02:16] <jsgotangco> mhz: its this about the firefox page?
[02:16] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[02:16] <ogra> mhz, he's the firefox maintainer
[02:16] <mhz> jsgotangco: yup
[02:16] <ogra> but thats up to me to figure it out, it has to be done in the artwork package
[02:16] <cbx33> brb
[02:17] <jsgotangco> it is rather painful just to read that page
[02:17] <jsgotangco> its ogra's responsibility since ints part of edubuntu-artwork
[02:17] <mhz> ogra: oh, nice. Because I read the firefox page (wiki) and I understood only 5% of it
[02:17] <mhz> jsgotangco: heheh, yeah, painful but interesting thou
[02:17] <jsgotangco> you could potentially break the distro
[02:18] <mhz> it shows me how much there is to know even when talking about simple details
[02:18] <mhz> jsgotangco: yup, hence I decided not to put my hands on it
[02:21] <mhz> jsgotangco: maybe, it would have been to have that page split into 2 parts: a) just place your files here   |    b) read about it :D
[02:23] <Elliot_> Good morning all, can anyone explain mkvmlinuz to me?
[02:23] <Elliot_> I'm trying to get Edubuntu to boot an imac off a Dell server, and having one hell of a time.
[02:24] <mhz> hmmmm
[02:24] <mhz> netboot?
[02:24] <Elliot_> Basically, I followed the LTSPCrossArch instructions...
[02:24] <Elliot_> yeah, netboot
[02:24] <Elliot_> but I'm having trouble just getting the live CD to send the correct files over.
[02:24] <mhz> I once could boot an imac from a x86 server, using the server's CD drive and setting the imac frimware
[02:25] <Elliot_> I can mount /opt/ltsp and then run ltsp-build-client
[02:25] <mhz> Elliot_: but, does the imac CD drive work?
[02:26] <Elliot_> yes
[02:26] <Elliot_> So you are saying boot to the live cd? then ...
[02:26] <mhz> and you do need to netboot it?
[02:26] <Elliot_> I'd much rather do that.
[02:26] <mhz> yeah, it is lot less painful to use the LiveCD
[02:26] <mhz> :)
[02:26] <Elliot_> We've got a lab of 22.
[02:26] <mhz> Elliot_: oh, I see
[02:26] <ogra> Elliot_, how does it break ? 
[02:27] <Elliot_> The crazy thing is that I was able to get it to boot an iBook using some files I found on a redhat forum for ltsp
[02:27] <Elliot_> Let me back track.
[02:27] <ogra> did ltsp-build-client finish ? 
[02:27] <mhz> Elliot_: well, I am used to netinstall this thin x86 laptop (no cd drive) using an x86 server
[02:27] <mhz> let me get you a url in our wiki
[02:28] <Elliot_> After I send the files over (https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPCrossArchSetup)
[02:29] <mhz> Elliot_: but... let me understand this..
[02:29] <mhz> all macs boot via PXE
[02:30] <mhz> (iirc..long time i do not use macs)
[02:30] <ogra> did ltsp-build-client finish ? 
[02:30] <mhz> Does this imac boot from PXE?
[02:30] <mhz> Elliot_: remember to press the 'n' key at booting time
[02:30] <ogra> mhz, all imacs support netbooting by holding down the n key on boot
[02:31] <mhz> yeah :D
[02:31] <ogra> and no, its not PXE
[02:31] <mhz> oh
[02:31] <mhz> what protocol is it?
[02:31] <ogra> its something apple specific
[02:31] <mhz> hehehe, again! apple specific!
[02:31] <mhz> Now I remember why I stopped using apple :(
[02:31] <ogra> you need some special options in the dhcp config
[02:31] <Elliot_> sorry, I'm back
[02:32] <Elliot_> OK,
[02:32] <mhz> ogra: so you say that 'n' will still get you the right files?
[02:32] <ogra> Elliot_, the wikipage isnt complete yet
[02:32] <ogra> so how far did you get ? 
[02:33] <Elliot_> so after running the ltsp-build I run the ltsp-update-kernels on the server and it says to build open-firmware I need to install mkvmlinuz
[02:33] <Elliot_> But I can't find a i386 version of that.
[02:33] <Elliot_> I also have edubuntu installed and running on one of these imacs, so I mounted /opt/ltsp there and tried running the ltsp-update-kernels
[02:34] <ogra> you dont use an i386 kernel to boot powerpc ;)
[02:34] <mhz> :)
[02:34] <Elliot_> this worked, but netbooting didn't
[02:34] <mhz> hence my question if this would still get you the right files ;)
[02:34] <Elliot_> so how do I get mkvmlinuz to create the kernels and ram disk etc. on the PC?
[02:34] <ogra> ltsp-update-kernels copies the kernel and initramfs from the clients chroot to the netboot dir in /var7lib/tftpboot
[02:35] <Elliot_> ok,
[02:35] <ogra> you need to do that step manually
[02:35] <Elliot_> so I should be able to run that on the imac (installed edubuntu) and then copy over the /var/lib/tftpboot folder
[02:35] <mhz> Elliot_: hmmm, When I had oldworld powerbooks, I used to place just 2 files from powerpc  Linux CD's onto the powerbook HD
[02:35] <mhz> and then used a bootloader
[02:36] <ogra> Elliot_, that'd be one way, yes
[02:36] <Elliot_> ogra, you mentioned that I need a special dhcpd config.  Do you have a template for that?
[02:36] <mhz> ogra: could just placing these 2 files (powerpc version) onto the right /opt path in server's side work?
[02:36] <ogra> yep
[02:36] <ogra> wait a sec
[02:36] <Elliot_> thanks
[02:37] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
[02:37] <mhz> (the files were 'vmlinuz' and 'initrd.img', of course)
[02:37] <ogra> adjust the IP settings to your needs
[02:37] <Elliot_> I'm also dealing with 2 versions of the imac, one with firmware taht will only boot off bootp.  Is there a special dhcpd config for that?
[02:38] <ogra> mhz, nope, it doesnt use the chroot yet, thats a known bug being worked on in edgy
[02:38] <ogra> Elliot_, for bootp see wiki.ltsp.org there are some dhcpd.conf examples
[02:38] <Elliot_> ok
[02:38] <mhz> ogra: oh, thx. It is good it is under development, though
[02:39] <ogra> currently it copies yaboot from /usr/sbin
[02:40] <ogra> and yaboot isnt installed in the chroot in dapper, so you cant just change the copy command
[02:40] <ogra> it requires some changes of the chroot defaults 
[02:41] <Elliot_> So, let me see if I can summarize a bit, so when I get in to the lab this afternoon I have a good idea of where to go with this.
[02:42] <Elliot_> Step 1. https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[02:43] <Elliot_> Step 2. just after ltsp-build-client, run ltsp-build-kernels on the client instead of the server 
[02:43] <ogra> nope
[02:43] <Elliot_> oh
[02:44] <Elliot_> ?
[02:44] <ogra> you should export /var/lib/tftpboot writeable to /var/lib/tftpboot on the client before
[02:44] <ogra> then you can even omit the ltsp-build-kernels (ltsp-build-client runs it at the end anyway)
[02:44] <Elliot_> Step 0. vi /etc/exports, add /var/lib/tftpboot rw
[02:45] <ogra> with the same options as /opt/ltsp
[02:45] <Elliot_> right
[02:45] <Elliot_> Then step 1, and that should do it?
[02:45] <ogra> then the commad will copy yaboot, kernel, initramfs and create a yaboot.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp on the server
[02:46] <Elliot_> mhz, sure will
[02:46] <kwwii> ogra: hehe, I meant the general idea...the colors themselves need to be fixed, of course :-)
[02:46] <mhz> thx! it would be most helpfull
[02:47] <Elliot_> do I need to export /var/lib/tftpboot as ro to netboot?
[02:47] <ogra> nope
[02:47] <Elliot_> ok
[02:47] <ogra> and you should revert the exports file after you got it running
[02:48] <ogra> only the /opt/ltsp stanza is needed for normal ltsp usage
[02:48] <Elliot_> right.  Also I read somewhere on the wiki that I can't find now that there is a bug in the new dhcp3-server, that needs a next-server option?
[02:49] <ogra> nope, not anymore
[02:49] <ogra> i fixed that some months ago
[02:49] <Elliot_> great!
[02:49] <ogra> if you come acroos it in the ubuntu wikianywhere, please delete it
[02:50] <Elliot_> It seems there was a full article and a mention in the logs of an irc meeting.
[02:51] <Elliot_> Does this look right for all I would need to add for bootp? (about 2/3 of the way down) https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientHowto/JonathansFindings?highlight=%28bootp%29
[02:52] <ogra> if you stay around for a while, i bet jonathan can tell you ;) he's highvoltage and usually around once or twice a day
[02:52] <Elliot_> excellent. I'll let everyone know if this works, and wiki it.
[02:54] <Elliot_> Ok, one more question about netbooting.  The imacs I'm using need a horizontal sync rate of 60-66 mhz and vertical of 75-117, which xorg.conf file does this go in, and is that going to screw up any i386 machines if I add it as the default monitor?
[02:56] <ogra> you can add MAC address specific entries in lts.conf for these machines and define X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
[02:56] <mhz> hmmmm, I wouldn't think this would screw it up
[02:56] <mhz> as it is just another option
[02:56] <mhz> BUT, surely backup your xorg.conf before :D
[02:56] <mhz> Mr. Murphy has no pity
[02:56] <ogra> that wont help
[02:56] <Elliot_> no?
[02:57] <ogra> xorg.conf is recreated by the client bootscript
[02:57] <mhz> no?
[02:57] <mhz> ooooh, yeah!
[02:57] <Elliot_> oh, that sounds cool.
[02:58] <Elliot_> So if I want all of them to get the same X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH (for now this is a lab full of these imacs) I can just add it to lts.conf?
[03:00] <ogra_ibook> you can either do what i wrote above in lts.conf or use XF86CONFIG_FILE instead of the values and use a static xorg.conf for the specific client, but you'll need to do it in any case through lts.conf and the MAC 
[03:01] <cbx33> phew I'm back
[03:01] <Elliot_> Ok, I'll cross that bridge when I get there... 
[03:10] <Phlosten> what would be the problem if my client is stuck at "Loading 192.168.0.1:/ltsp/pxelinux.0"  ?
[03:15] <Elliot_> Phylosten, I'm assuming this is a netboot, what type of client do you have?
[03:16] <Phlosten> basically i have setup LTSP on a normal Ubuntu install with ThinClientHowTo, just booting my AMD k6-2/500 from my main machine
[03:16] <Phlosten> running 'netboot' cd to get pxe working
[03:17] <Elliot_> In your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file how do you specify the boot file?
[03:21] <Phlosten> left it as recommened in ThinClientHowto,...which is "filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"
[03:22] <Elliot_> hmmm
[03:22] <Elliot_> what version of ubuntu are you running? these notes were for hoary.
[03:22] <Phlosten> dapper :)
[03:24] <cbx33> Phlosten, try taking the first slash out
[03:24] <cbx33> ltsp/pxelinux.0
[03:24] <cbx33> what is your root path
[03:24] <Phlosten> cbx33, "/opt/ltsp/i386"
[03:24] <cbx33> ok
[03:25] <cbx33> yeh remove that slash and try that
[03:27] <Phlosten> no joy :/
[03:28] <cbx33> hmmm that is strange
[03:28] <cbx33> have you verified that llthe required services are running
[03:28] <Phlosten> i am thinking something isnt right with my dhcpd.conf file
[03:28] <cbx33> try using tftp to request the pxelinux.0 file from the tftp server
[03:29] <Phlosten> run tftp on the server machine?
[03:29] <cbx33> no
[03:29] <cbx33> on another machine preferably
[03:29] <cbx33> and try getting the pxelinux.0 file that way
[03:29] <Phlosten> well, that aint going to happen
[03:30] <Phlosten> no other machine :/
[03:30] <cbx33> ok
[03:30] <cbx33> it should still work on the server
[03:30] <Phlosten> if i run 'tftp' something should run right?
[03:30] <cbx33> yes
[03:30] <cbx33> what do you get as a result?
[03:31] <Phlosten> ok, well i am missing tftp
[03:31] <Phlosten> that would explain a lot :)
[03:31] <cbx33> ok install it
[03:31] <cbx33> :p
[03:31] <cbx33> runing tftp 127.0.0.1
[03:31] <cbx33> tftp - Trivial file transfer protocol client
[03:31] <cbx33> is the file you need
[03:32] <Phlosten> ok, installed now
[03:32] <cbx33> ok now try
[03:32] <cbx33> but use the external ip
[03:32] <cbx33> tftp 192........
[03:33] <Phlosten> hmm not working
[03:33] <Phlosten> maybe I am missing something else
[03:34] <cbx33> what is the result
[03:34] <Phlosten> the client isnt booting like before
[03:35] <Phlosten> the 'tftp 192..' brings up a prompt
[03:35] <cbx33> that says?
[03:35] <Phlosten> tftp>
[03:35] <cbx33> ok good
[03:35] <cbx33> now type
[03:35] <cbx33> get /opt/ltsp/i386/ltsp/pxelinux.0
[03:35] <cbx33> i think
[03:36] <cbx33> or whatever the path should be
[03:36] <Phlosten> the pxelinux.0 file should be in the /opt/ltsp/i386/ folder yeah?
[03:37] <cbx33> check it
[03:37] <cbx33> by browsing there and looking
[03:37] <Phlosten> cant see it
[03:39] <cbx33> what is in /opt
[03:40] <Phlosten> just the ltsp/ folder
[03:40] <cbx33> and in that?
[03:40] <Phlosten>  /i386
[03:40] <cbx33> and in that :p
[03:40] <Phlosten> lots...
[03:40] <Phlosten> filesystem
[03:40] <cbx33> ok good
[03:41] <cbx33> what about /ltsp
[03:41] <Phlosten> i dont seem to have a /ltp at the root level
[03:41] <cbx33> ok
[03:41] <cbx33> what about doing a search for
[03:41] <cbx33> pxelinux.0
[03:41] <cbx33> find out where it is
[03:41] <cbx33> I'm a bit out of it today
[03:41] <cbx33> recovering from a bad migrane
[03:42] <Phlosten> searching...
[03:42] <cbx33> :D
[03:42] <Phlosten> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
[03:42] <cbx33> ok
[03:42] <cbx33> so try the tftp thing again
[03:43] <cbx33> but tyr get /ltsp/pxelinux.0
[03:43] <cbx33> then try
[03:43] <cbx33> get ltsp/pxelinux.0
[03:43] <cbx33> see if either of them transfers the file to your current dirctory
[03:43] <Phlosten> ooh the first one worked
[03:43] <cbx33> run this in you home dir
[03:43] <cbx33> ok excellent
[03:43] <cbx33> so it downloaded the file ja?
[03:43] <Phlosten> yeah
[03:43] <cbx33> excellent
[03:44] <Phlosten> ran 'tftp 192.168.0.1', which is this machine
[03:44] <cbx33> so that should indicate that path is corrent
[03:44] <Phlosten> is that right?
[03:44] <cbx33> yes
[03:46] <Phlosten> so up until loading pxelinux.0 only dhcp and tftp are involved?
[03:46] <cbx33> yes
[03:46] <Phlosten> so it must be a bad dhcpd.conf setup 
[03:46] <cbx33> looks like it
[03:47] <Phlosten> is there a sample on somewhere?
[03:47] <Phlosten> one
[03:47] <cbx33> can you confirm that it is getting the ip address
[03:47] <cbx33> and that there are no other dhcp servers running on the network
[03:47] <Phlosten> well the line above states  "Me: 192.168.0.255 etc...
[03:48] <Phlosten> well there is in adsl modem
[03:48] <Phlosten> on this computer
[03:48] <cbx33> does your router/switch have a dhcp server?
[03:48] <Phlosten> yeah
[03:49] <Phlosten> at 10.0.0.138
[03:49] <cbx33> you can only have one dhcp server running on a network
[03:49] <Phlosten> that includes adsl modem?
[03:50] <cbx33> if your modem usually serves out dhcp addresses to your clients then yes
[03:50] <Phlosten> well yes it is then :)
[03:50] <cbx33> they will conflict
[03:50] <Phlosten> one more thing learned today :)
[03:50] <cbx33> :D
[03:50] <Phlosten> i shall try turning modem off etc and see what happens, brb
[03:50] <cbx33> hang on
[03:51] <cbx33> unless you have 2 nics in your ltsp server?
[03:51] <cbx33> i presumed you were runnign a 1 nic setup
[03:51] <Phlosten> yes
[03:51] <ogra> the ip range in your dhcpd.conf is wrong
[03:51] <ogra> .255 is a broadcast address, that cant work
[03:51] <Phlosten> 1 nic -> adsl modem, and 1-> ltsp client
[03:52] <ogra> the client nees a address above 0 and below or equal to 254
[03:52] <cbx33> indeed ogra that was my next line of attack
[03:52] <cbx33> :p
[03:52] <Phlosten> i have the nic for the ltsp setup for 192.168.0.1
[03:52] <ogra> if you have two NICs for two different networks, running two dchp servers is fine
[03:52] <ogra> it just doesnt work if you have two on the same one
[03:53] <Phlosten> ok, *unlearns other bit*
 well the line above states  "Me: 192.168.0.255 etc...
[03:53] <Phlosten> oh sorry
[03:53] <Phlosten> mistake there
[03:53] <ogra> apparently your client has .255
[03:53] <Phlosten> it is actually .250
[03:53] <ogra> ah, k
[03:53] <cbx33> shoudl be ok then
[03:53] <ogra> thats fine then
[03:53] <Phlosten> phew
[03:54] <ogra> can yopu post the dhcpd.conf to some pastebin
[03:54] <Phlosten> i was just about to do that :)
[03:54] <cbx33> brb
[03:55] <Phlosten> http://pastebin.com/720605
[03:55] <Phlosten> i wasnt sure on the 'routers' bit
[03:56] <Phlosten> and most of the other stuff too :)
[03:56] <Phlosten> my network skills suck
[03:56] <ogra> looks all fine
[03:57] <Phlosten> what does the routers bit reference?
[03:57] <ogra> an IP netwrok always needs a default route 
[03:58] <jsgotangco> wow what a pretty long email
[03:58] <ogra> the routers line specifies that, even its not really used since you dont have any outbound connection
[03:59] <Phlosten> now the filename, what is that relative to?
[03:59] <ogra> /var/lib/tftpboot
[04:00] <ogra> but that should all be fine by default, unless you changed something
[04:00] <ogra> ltsp-server depends on all needed bits
[04:00] <Phlosten> i did change things back and forth, but I am fairly sure it all went back to defaults
[04:01] <Phlosten> oh one thing i did think of
[04:01] <Phlosten> in the networking setup to setup the actual address of the card etc, does it need a gateway address?
[04:03] <Yagisan> G'day all
[04:03] <ogra> should work without
[04:03] <Phlosten> thats what I though
[04:03] <Phlosten> +t
[04:03] <jsgotangco> that email is nice
[04:04] <Yagisan> anyone here like games ?
[04:05] <jsgotangco> sure gimme my Nintendo DS anytime
[04:05] <Yagisan> :)
[04:05] <Phlosten> ogra, i had it working on my edubuntu install on another disk, I shall boot into that at some stage and see how it is setup there :)
[04:05] <ogra> yeah
[04:05] <Phlosten> games are good
[04:06] <jsgotangco> you made a game?
[04:06] <Yagisan> not that there's much difference ;)
[04:06] <Phlosten> although it wasnt booting to graphical screen, but at least it was getting past the pxelinux.0 bit
[04:06] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: part of the upstream team, yeah
[04:06] <ogra> Phlosten, from which Cd did you install edubuntu ?
[04:06] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: what kind of game?
[04:06] <ogra> there was a bug thats fixed in recent dailys
[04:06] <Phlosten> flight 6
[04:06] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: You like "classic" doom, heretic or hexen ?
[04:07] <jsgotangco> sure
[04:07] <ogra> you should be able to switch to the gui login with alt-f7
[04:07] <Phlosten> then I downloaded latest daily, ran update from that CD and finished off with internet updates
[04:07] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: great. have the wads ?
[04:07] <ogra> (in the non fixed version)
[04:07] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: i have them but not here atm
[04:07] <cbx33> Yagisan, a game?
[04:07] <Phlosten> ogra, all I had was flashing cursor when I did alt-f7
[04:07] <Yagisan> cbx33: yes
[04:07] <cbx33> oooooh
[04:07] <jsgotangco> i play guild wars now
[04:08] <jsgotangco> and even visit second life sometimes
[04:08] <Phlosten> i dont play anything.. better things to spend my time on :)
[04:08] <Yagisan> we will make a new beta release soon, and I wanted to give you guys a heads up. see if anyone wanted to test it
[04:08] <jsgotangco> sure
[04:08] <jsgotangco> will it work in linux?
[04:08] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: yes. I fixed the linux port (I hope)
[04:09] <jsgotangco> why use those wads? i guess its mostly the engine
[04:09] <Yagisan> i386 only though. (I have no powerpc, and mad64 needs serious work)
[04:09] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: we don't yet support boom features used in freedoom
[04:10] <Yagisan> s/mad64/amd64
[04:10] <Yagisan> instead of hijacking ogra's channel - if you'd like to test, please join #doomsday
[04:10] <jsgotangco> i used to be a tester for Hudson, its not the most enjoyable job i had
[04:11] <ogra> Yagisan, hey, it's not *my* channel :)
[04:11] <Yagisan> ogra: I know, but this is a little too off topic at the moment
[05:39] <cbx33> hi all got a big favour to ask
[05:40] <Yagisan> cbx33: shoot
[05:40] <cbx33> does anyone have some webspacethat I could install a CGI-IRC client on :p
[05:40] <cbx33> my new host, i switched cos the last one sucked. Do not allow IRC AT ALL
[05:40] <cbx33> I can understand why
[05:40] <cbx33> but I need it to attend meetings
[05:40] <cbx33> and continue with my ubuntu work
[05:43] <Yagisan> cbx33: I can't help with that I'm sorry
[05:45] <Laser_away> I have to connect to port 8001 on freenode to do irc
[05:46] <cbx33> well I would be breaking the ToC if I did it here
[05:46] <cbx33> they don;t allow IRC at all, and at work every port other than 21 80 110
[05:47] <Laser_away> uggh
[05:48] <cbx33> yeh ugly
[05:49] <cbx33> i do have a laptop here I could use as a webserver but I'd like something a little more permanemt
[05:49] <Laser_away> if they did that to me I suppose I would be a lot more productive
[05:50] <cbx33> heheh
[05:58] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[06:27] <Yagisan> Good night all
[07:03] <lucasvo> ogra: do you know why building the chroot fails?
[07:05] <ogra> the putput should tell you
[07:05] <ogra> *output
[07:05] <lucasvo> ogra: well, that's not something I can change
[07:06] <lucasvo> and saying that something fails doesn't explain why
[07:06] <ogra> :)
[07:08] <HedgeMage> (In Illinois, never got involved in Indiana)
[07:08] <HedgeMage> this is so cool...
[07:08] <HedgeMage> :D
[07:10] <lucasvo> ogra: so what should I do?
[07:11] <lucasvo> run it manually?
[07:11] <ogra> lucasvo, i have no idea what your prob is 
[07:11] <ogra> from:
 ogra: do you know why building the chroot fails?
 ogra: well, that's not something I can change
 and saying that something fails doesn't explain why
[07:11] <ogra> there is not much i can explain either
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[07:12] <lucasvo> 13:15 < lucasvo> 16:18 < lucasvo> I have a problem building my ltsp chroot on ppc
[07:12] <lucasvo> 13:15 < lucasvo> 16:20 < lucasvo> W: Failure to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/powerpc dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.9ubuntu4_powerpc.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.11-powerpc.deb
[07:12] <lucasvo> 13:15 < lucasvo> 16:20 < lucasvo> oh crap, I missed ogra again
[07:12] <lucasvo> 13:16 < lucasvo> ogra:
[07:12] <lucasvo> oh, that was a little too much
[07:13] <lucasvo> this is the only and last error I get
[07:13] <ogra> so why are you using such evil stuff like --force-depends
[07:13] <lucasvo> ogra: it's on ppc
[07:13] <lucasvo> ogra: thats the ltsp build script
[07:13] <ogra> so why are you using such evil stuff like --force-depends 
[07:13] <lucasvo> I only typed in sudo ltsp-build-client
[07:14] <lucasvo> the line above says: I: Installing core packages...
[07:16] <lucasvo> ogra: you know what's wrong?
[07:16] <ogra> not without the log, no
[07:16] <lucasvo> ogra: ah, yes, in the wiki you write: /!\ Note that powerpc clients need some special options in the servers dhcp setup.
[07:16] <lucasvo> ogra: what log?
[07:16] <lucasvo> (from https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPCrossArchSetup?highlight=%28LTSP%29)
[07:16] <lucasvo> what special options?
[07:16] <ogra> the full log from ltsp-build-client
[07:17] <lucasvo> ogra: I'll delete the chroot and redo it again
[07:17] <lucasvo> I can basically just "sudo ltsp-build-client > tmp" ?
[07:18] <ogra> save th elog this time (redirect the output to a textfile)
[07:18] <lucasvo> or do you need other logs?
[07:18] <ogra> nope
[07:22] <lucasvo> crappy dsl, it should be 6mbit, but the provider seems a bit overloaded
[07:23] <pygi> :-P
[07:29] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[07:30] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[07:30] <cbx33> howz it going 
[07:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: deurmekaar :)
[07:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: (deurmekaar is Afrikaans word for a but messed up)
[07:31] <cbx33> oh
[07:31] <ogra> whose butt ?
[07:31] <highvoltage> trying to do the linuxworld thing while trying to get worked done in between
[07:31] <highvoltage> s/but/bit :)
[07:31] <cbx33> migrane so I'm a little messed up too
[07:31] <highvoltage> hehe
[07:31] <highvoltage> interesting typo :)
[07:31] <ogra> :)
[07:34] <cbx33> so you all gonna be present for the meeting tomorrow?
[07:35] <cbx33> do MX records take longer to propagate than DNS
[07:36] <cbx33> ogra, can you elaborate on what you said about the meeting records, you said something was in hand?
[07:36] <cbx33> is it something I can put on the wikimock 
[07:37] <ogra> cbx33, not yet i think, JaneW is in charge of that if i undestood right
[07:37] <cbx33> ok np
[07:37] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[07:43] <cbx33> what is JeffreyElkner's IRC
[07:43] <ogra> jelkner
[07:44] <cbx33> thanks ogra 
[07:44] <mhz> hi all
[07:45] <mhz> ogra, I am at the lab now BUT I have no mouse :(  so it is kind of difficult to look up for info. Is there any known solution/bug regrding PS2 mouse?
[07:46] <mhz> or.. Anyone ever has had trouble with PS2 mouse not being detected by edubuntu Dapper?
[07:47] <ogra> not here
[07:48] <ogra> mousedev should load it automatically
[07:48] <mhz> :(
[07:48] <mhz> yeah, so I thought
[07:48] <ogra> thats a thin client or the server ?
[07:49] <mhz> the bad thing is that the Director of this training company was amazed with Edubuntu (I was demoing to 5 people a couple of minutes ago) until Mouse problem! 
[07:49] <mhz> :(
[07:49] <mhz> PS2 mouse is not working on any client nor server
[07:50] <cbx33> ogra, in the development section on the front wiki page,
[07:50] <ogra> strange
[07:50] <cbx33> what are we going to display?
[07:50] <cbx33> mhz, is this one particualr mouse?
[07:50] <mhz> brand= omega
[07:50] <elliot_> hi all,
[07:50] <mhz> PS2, optical
[07:50] <mhz> elliot_, hi
[07:50] <ogra> do you have any replacement you can try ?
[07:50] <elliot_> I had a chance to test the ltsp setup with a mac booting off an i386 
[07:51] <elliot_> And it gets most of the way there
[07:51] <ogra> and, did it work ?
[07:51] <mhz> the good thing is after lunch (30 more minutes) people will comeback to try the working stations
[07:51] <elliot_> yaboot loads, then the loading ubuntu screen comes up
[07:51] <mhz> so I still have some time to fix this
[07:51] <cbx33> mhz, :S
[07:51] <elliot_> it fails at the "running local boot scripts
[07:51] <elliot_> then it hangs.
[07:52] <elliot_> Also it seems to only want to serve one client at a time
[07:52] <mhz> ogra, nope :( all the machines in this lab were purchased with very similar hardware
[07:52] <cbx33> mhz, that sux
[07:52] <cbx33> though very common
[07:52] <mhz> the keyboard is PS2 too, but it works just fine
[07:52] <cbx33> do you not have just one spare mouse
[07:52] <cbx33> so you can rule that out?
[07:52] <mhz> nope :(
[07:52] <cbx33> dang
[07:52] <mhz> never thought this was gonna be an issue so I did not bring my USB mouse
[07:52] <cbx33> true
[07:53] <mhz> I tried it when installing edubuntu and it was perfect (we had no mouse by then)
[07:53] <ogra> can you check if psmouse is loaded on the clients ? 
[07:53] <elliot_> ogra,
[07:53] <ogra> (or if addint it to /etc/modules in the chroot helps)
[07:54] <elliot_> the mounting /var/lib/tftpboot didn
[07:54] <mhz> yeah, lsmod | grep -i ps   outputs 'psmouse'
[07:54] <elliot_> didn't work. had to scp the files
[07:54] <cbx33> hmm that is strange
[07:54] <cbx33> possibly an X config problem?
[07:54] <ogra> elliot_, fine as well, as long as they got copied 
[07:54] <mhz> hmmm. yeah.
[07:56] <cbx33> ogra, did you say we are going to make all LTSP wiki docs ubuntu generic?
[07:56] <ogra> yes, we should
[07:56] <cbx33> I'm going to setup a page to collect all LTSP docs
[07:56] <cbx33> then we can start organising/merging as required
[07:57] <ogra> yep
[07:57] <cbx33> does this mean we are moving these docs out of EdubuntuDocumentation?
[07:57] <ogra> yep
[07:57] <cbx33> ok
[07:57] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[07:57] <elliot_> I just checked out /opt/ltsp/powerpc/etc/rc.local and it says it doesn't do anything.
[07:57] <mhz> cbx33, hmm, in xorg.conf, "Device"       "/dev/input/mice"
[07:57] <elliot_> odd that it would fail there
[07:57] <cbx33> should be cool
[07:58] <mhz> hmm
[07:58] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[07:58] <mhz> ok, I'll see if reconfiguring X works out something better
[07:59] <ogra> elliot_, what makes you think it fails there ?
[07:59] <cbx33> well what'dya know, I had already written one doc ubuntu generic anyway :p
[07:59] <elliot_> The screen is hanging right after the line "Running local boot scripts" Guess it finished running those and is hanging on the next thing.
[08:00] <cbx33> are we still supporting hoary LTSP?
[08:00] <ogra> cbx33, we never did
[08:00] <cbx33> I'm just looking at the wiki
[08:00] <cbx33> with respecs to LTSP
[08:01] <cbx33> ok I'll link to that way way down at the bottom
[08:01] <ogra> elliot_, if something fails, usplash should go away and drop you to a shell with some error messages after some time
[08:02] <cbx33> I'll move the EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSP* documents that I created out of EdubuntuDocumentation
[08:03] <ogra> probably make a UbuntuLTSP category
[08:03] <cbx33> ok
[08:03] <elliot_> right, upslash failed, and then dropped to a shell where the last message was "Running local...
[08:03] <elliot_> It has an error about /etc/fstab not having fschk passno, but said it figured that one out.
[08:03] <elliot_> Also can't get the hardware clock set, but that happens on the installed version too.
[08:04] <ogra> can you scroll up a bit
[08:04] <ogra> and look for nfs errors ?
[08:04] <elliot_> Also, someone mentioned an lts.conf file, but I only have one in the docs for i386 none was generated for powerpc, does that matter?
[08:05] <elliot_> on tty1 it says fbcon not found
[08:05] <ogra> we dont use one by default
[08:05] <elliot_> and vga16fb not found
[08:05] <ogra> you need to create it in /opt/ltsp/powerpc/etc/
[08:05] <ogra> thats fine on ppc
[08:06] <elliot_> ok
[08:08] <mhz> re
[08:08] <mhz> nope
[08:08] <mhz> no mouse
[08:08] <mhz> any of you using a PS2 mouse ?
[08:10] <kwwii> I know this is kinda off topic, but how does this logo look to everyone? http://bootsplash.org/chalkTEST.png
[08:10] <mhz> hmmm, I just changed the mouse model for another with no brand
[08:10] <elliot_> ogra, I copied the default lts.conf and edited it to fit my basic needs, it gets to the same place
[08:11] <mhz> and it works just fine
[08:12] <ogra> kwwii, as odd as our forced default wallpaper
[08:12] <kwwii> haha!
[08:12] <ogra> sorry, but chalkboard is not very loved in here
[08:12] <kwwii> ogra: ahhhh, actually I was trying to improve on it
[08:12] <kwwii> ogra: I agree that the idea is a bit silly
[08:13] <ogra> we protested, but apparently that wasnt heard 
[08:13] <elliot_> I think the chalkboard is pretty good, but what about a white board?;)
[08:14] <ogra> elliot_, really, you like the idea of looking like win95 ? 
[08:14] <ogra> elliot_, the shipped lts.conf is wrong (still on my list for updates)
[08:14] <elliot_> no, just think that since we're in a school setting with edubuntu, the chalkboard is pretty appropriate.  I'd like to see some more texture though.
[08:15] <elliot_> ah, what's wrong about it?
[08:15] <ogra> there are a lot options in it we either dont support or dont need at all
[08:15] <elliot_> ok
[08:16] <ogra> others are missing
[08:16] <elliot_> is there a basic lts.conf online somewhere?
[08:17] <ogra> you could grep for all capital variables in the ltsp-client-setup initscript on the client to see all possible vars
[08:17] <ogra> there is no list for dapper yet
[08:18] <elliot_> ok, but would an incorrectly formatted (or missing) lts.conf file stop it from booting? 
[08:18] <kwwii> ogra: well, is there a usplash ready for edubuntu? or should I make one?
[08:19] <ogra> kwwii, i was under the impression we'd stay with the old one, but only because i heard nothing from silbs about it
[08:20] <kwwii> ogra: well, if one is needed/desired I can certainly make it :-) JaneS mentioned that I should help if possible
[08:22] <ogra> yes, but please make it more neutral
[08:22] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:22] <ogra> we ship three different themes and it would be good to have something that fits them all
[08:22] <kwwii> I'll make some stuff and then post it here and on the wiki
[08:22] <ogra> great, thanks :)
[08:23] <kwwii> nothing I do needs to be used unless the community wants it :-)
[08:23] <ogra> yep
[08:24] <kwwii> ogra: so the stuff on the wiki (with the chalkboard theme) is current?
[08:29] <ogra> url ? 
[08:30] <cbx33> Burgwork, you there? ping :p
[08:30] <Burgwork> cbx33, here, but at work
[08:30] <cbx33> just a quicky
[08:30] <kwwii> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperTheme/JonathanCarter/chalk
[08:30] <LaserJock> henc the work part of the nick ;-)
[08:30] <LaserJock> *hence
[08:30] <cbx33> did you write the op nevermind
[08:31] <cbx33> just found the answer
[08:31] <cbx33> sory Bluekuja 
[08:31] <cbx33> Burgwork, 
[08:31] <cbx33> man my typing sux
[08:31] <Burgwork> perfect, less work for me
[08:31] <ogra> kwwii, thats not the theme we use 
[08:32] <ogra> kwwii, in fact thats a breezy theme the community decided not to use ...
[08:32] <ogra> (its pretty old)
[08:32] <kwwii> whew!
[08:32] <cbx33> ogra, are you ok for me to move LTSPServerSetup to the UbuntuLTSP page?
[08:32] <cbx33> mhz, can i move your LTSP page on wiring to the UbuntuLTSP section
[08:33] <kwwii> so is this what is going to be used? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDapperTheme
[08:33] <kwwii> or can someone point me to the current stuff? :-)
[08:34] <ogra> cbx33, in any case make sure all links to that page still work
[08:34] <LaserJock> kwwii: it's actually kept in a secret vault somewhere in South Africa ;-)
[08:34] <ogra> (as for all other pages as well)
[08:34] <kwwii> LaserJock: :P
[08:34] <ogra> LaserJock, its in edubuntu since friday
[08:34] <ogra> i just dont have a screenshot handy
[08:41] <ogra> kwwii, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/chalkboard.png
[08:42] <kwwii> neat idea, probably looks pretty boring as wallpaper though
[08:43] <ogra> kwwii, the other shots in that dir are rather obsolete, but we kept the highlight color (gtk theme) and the window colors
[08:43] <ogra> s/window/window border/
[08:43] <ogra> yep, it does
[08:43] <ogra> we had some differently colored ones in the first design suggestions i actually liked
[08:44] <ogra> but it had to be the win95 green
[08:44] <kwwii> lol
[08:44] <ogra> jsgotangco calls it "the berlin wall"
[08:46] <kwwii> hehe...well, it looks like the ubuntu community is going to use a usplash with a simple canonical logo on it, perhaps one of the other ideas would be good to use in edubuntu
[08:46] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/DapperPropositions
[08:48] <ogra> i've seen them, as i said, i liked viper550's apart from the awful color selection ... but you know you wont get around dithering :)
[08:48] <cbx33> ogra, what's the preferred method for moving pages :p  redirecting or changing all the links
[08:49] <kwwii> ogra: well, the last one on that page is based on viper550's stuff and works great with 15 colors, perhaps something like that for edubuntu?
[08:51] <ogra> kwwii, whats the difference to the current one ? if you make it indexed to 16cols (as you need to), it will get dithering and look like the current one but in orange
[08:51] <mhz> cbx33, yeah
[08:51] <mhz> you are the man
[08:51] <cbx33> mhz, thank you
[08:51] <kwwii> ogra: it already uses only 15 colors
[08:52] <ogra> kwwii, and actually the mirriring looks better in the current one
[08:52] <ogra> *mirroring
[08:52] <kwwii> yeah, that is true
[08:52] <kwwii> but the glow effect looks horrible
[08:52] <mhz> ogra, I have installed swf-player
[08:52] <kwwii> all of my pics on that page only use 15 colors
[08:52] <ogra> not if you step 2m away from the screen :)
[08:52] <mhz> BUT it doesn load
[08:52] <kwwii> ogra: lol
[08:53] <ogra> but i agree in a usuall PC worker distance it looks horrible
[08:53] <kwwii> ogra: so for people with really long arms, it looks great
[08:53] <ogra> heh, yeah
[08:54] <lucasvo> ogra: http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/ltsp-chroot.txt
[08:55] <cbx33> lucasvo, 
[08:55] <lucasvo> cbx33: ?
[08:55] <cbx33> are you ok for my to move one of your LTSP pages
[08:55] <cbx33> into the UbuntuLTSP container
[08:55] <lucasvo> yes
[08:55] <cbx33> thanks
[08:55] <lucasvo> which page?
[08:55] <cbx33> I can't remember just remember seeing your name as the creator
[08:56] <lucasvo> ogra: ah, yes, in the wiki you wrote: /!\ Note that powerpc clients need some special options in the servers dhcp setup.
[08:56] <cbx33> what's the best way of moving, redirecting or updating all links on all attached pages :p
[08:56] <lucasvo> what's so special?
[08:57] <ogra> apple doesmt us plain PXE
[08:58] <lucasvo> ogra: could you write a wiki page?
[08:58] <lucasvo> or tell me what I should write
[08:58] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
[08:58] <ogra> make a page and add that file :)
[08:58] <lucasvo> ok
[08:58] <cbx33> lucasvo, preferably in the UbuntuLTSP container :p
[08:59] <LaserJock> cbx33: you can put redirects into the old page, you might ask Burgwork or -doc if you need help
[08:59] <cbx33> ok
[08:59] <Burgwork> cbx33, if you move a page, a redirect is not automatically created
[08:59] <cbx33> no i know
[08:59] <cbx33> i was just asking is it better to redirect
[08:59] <cbx33> or update all links along the way
[08:59] <cbx33> or do both
[08:59] <Burgwork> I would update all the links 
[08:59] <cbx33> if so how do i create a redirect
[08:59] <Burgwork> redirect if there are external links
[09:00] <Burgwork> #REDIRECT NewPageName
[09:00] <cbx33> thanks
[09:00] <Burgwork> remember to search google, using hte full url, for any external links
[09:00] <cbx33> yup
[09:00] <cbx33> this is gonna take a while
[09:01] <lucasvo> ogra: and what about the ltsp chroot?
[09:01] <lucasvo> ogra: have you looked at the file?
[09:01] <cbx33> Burgwork, how to search for links in google again?
[09:01] <cbx33> been so long since I did it before
[09:01] <Burgwork> search for the full url
[09:02] <cbx33> ok
[09:02] <cbx33> including both wiki.ubuntu and wiki.edubuntu ?
[09:03] <Burgwork> yep
[09:04] <HedgeMage> Hey, folks, I have a really dumb question to ask
[09:05] <cbx33> shoot
[09:05] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, no dumb questions allowed here :)
[09:05] <cbx33> ogra, didn't you do those wiring pics?
[09:05] <cbx33> can we get them ubuntu generic?
[09:05] <HedgeMage> when I did the Intro to edubuntu standalone chapter I linked to the LTSP setup hardware reqs but I couldn't get it to link properly with wiki:/ and had to use the full URL instead... any clue how to fix that?
[09:05] <HedgeMage> I don't use wikis often so I'm not puzzling this one out
[09:06] <Burgwork> ["Linkthatsifunny"] 
[09:06] <Burgwork> why I had implicit linking in moin
[09:06] <Burgwork> s/had/hate/
[09:09] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, did that work for you?
[09:09] <ogra> lucasvo, ltsp-build-client finishes fine on my ibook
[09:10] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: I'll try one sec
[09:10] <lucasvo> ogra: well not on mine :(
[09:10] <HedgeMage> got flooded with staff requests all of a sudden
[09:10] <lucasvo> I had the same error on all machines
[09:10] <ogra> lucasvo, are you sure your sources.list is ok and did you run sudo apt-get update ? 
[09:12] <lucasvo> okay, let's try with a correct date
[09:12] <ogra> lucasvo, and do you have the most recent ltsp-server and/or ltsp-server-standalone packages installed ? 
[09:12] <ogra> they shouldnt care about wrong clocks anymore
[09:13] <ogra> ltsp (0.86) dapper; urgency=low
[09:13] <ogra>   * add --ignore-time-conflict to the apt/gpgv options in
[09:13] <ogra>     ltsp-build-client to not break on systems with totally broken clock
[09:13] <ogra>     settings (closes malone #41088)
[09:17] <elliot_> I've got some more info on netbooting imacs into ltsp.
[09:17] <elliot_> Taking out the quite boot line in yaboot.conf has helped troubleshoot some things.
[09:18] <elliot_> It was dying because it couldn't find /linuxrc
[09:19] <elliot_> There doesn't appear to be a linuxrc in the powerpc file created on running the ltsp-build-client script, so I copied the one from the i386 folder.
[09:19] <elliot_> sadly that doesn't work.
[09:19] <elliot_> Anyone have any thoughts? it's now looking for /sbin/discover
[09:19] <ogra> we dont use linuxrc at all
[09:19] <elliot_> hmm
[09:19] <ogra> ubuntu ltsp never did
[09:20] <elliot_> must have mixed up some things then, I was trying some instructions from k12ltsp, thought I'd killed all of that though.
[09:20] <ogra> its a normal slightly cut down ubuntu bootprocess using initramfs
[09:21] <ogra> your problem is surely somewhere on ther nfs side
[09:21] <ogra> *the
[09:21] <elliot_> ok, do the exports need to be read only for it to work?
[09:21] <ogra> nope
[09:21] <ogra> try to mount /opt/ltsp from somewhere else
[09:23] <elliot_> trying..
[09:25] <elliot_> could this be related to ltsp-update-sshkeys not working correctly?
[09:25] <ogra> nope
[09:25] <ogra> sshkeys gont have anything to do with booting
[09:26] <ogra> *dont
[09:26] <LaserJock> cbx33: around?
[09:27] <elliot_> ok, mounted fine on another edubuntu install: sudo mount 192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp
[09:28] <cbx33> LaserJock, pongy but yes :p
[09:29] <ogra> elliot_, hmm
[09:30] <LaserJock> cbx33: a guy in -doc said that in you ESA firefox description you talk about auto-updates but he said that dapper has that turned off ny default
[09:30] <ogra> elliot_, in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp are only powerpc specific things ? 
[09:30] <ogra> i.e. no left over initramfs from an i386 install or something
[09:30] <elliot_> initrd.img                    vmlinux
[09:30] <elliot_> initrd.img-2.6.15-20-386      vmlinux-2.6.15-20-powerpc
[09:30] <elliot_> initrd.img-2.6.15-20-powerpc  vmlinuz
[09:30] <elliot_> pxelinux.0                    vmlinuz-2.6.15-20-386
[09:30] <elliot_> pxelinux.cfg/                 yaboot
[09:30] <cbx33> ah ok, LaserJock that can be revmoed
[09:30] <cbx33> i was trawling the firefox website
[09:31] <cbx33> during my migrane
[09:31] <LaserJock> cbx33: k, will do
[09:31] <cbx33> sorry about that
[09:31] <ogra> elliot_, check where the links in theat dir point to
[09:31] <cbx33> any DNS gurus here?
[09:32] <elliot_> all links point to the local folder.
[09:32] <elliot_> cbx33, what do you need to know about dns?
[09:32] <ogra> elliot_, to which filed do they point ? 
[09:32] <ogra> *diles
[09:32] <ogra> grmbl
[09:32] <ogra> *files
[09:33] <elliot_> initrd.img ->initrd.img-2.6.15-20-powerpc    vmlinux -> vmlinux-2.6.15-20-powerpc     vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.15-20-386
[09:33] <ogra> ok, thats fine
[09:33] <elliot_> one good thing.
[09:33] <cbx33> elliot_, pm :p
[09:34] <ogra> the yaboot.conf in the dir above should point to /ltsp/initrd.img and the matching vmlinux
[09:35] <elliot_> I believe that is what it says, image=/ltsp/vmlinux    initrd=/ltsp/initrd.img
[09:36] <elliot_> cbx33, sorry new to irc, what how do I pm?
[09:36] <cbx33> what program are you using?
[09:36] <cbx33> xchat?
[09:36] <elliot_> never mind, got it/
[09:36] <cbx33> :p
[09:40] <cbx33> does it make sense?
[09:40] <elliot_> ogra,
[09:40] <elliot_> I did something and it is giving me a text login
[09:40] <elliot_> do I need to do something to allow me to login? 
[09:41] <elliot_> Maybe I can't be logged in twice?
[09:41] <ogra> alt-f7 ? 
[09:41] <ogra> is there a gui login ?
[09:42] <elliot_> nope, doesn't change.
[09:42] <elliot_> last message was the running rc.local [ok] 
[09:43] <elliot_> cbx33, see pm.
[09:43] <ogra> hmm, i wonder why, rc.local isnt supposed to be run at all, ltsp-build-client has an explicit whitelist 
[09:43] <cbx33> elliot_, I'm gussing you haven't registered
[09:44] <elliot_> probably not?
[09:44] <cbx33> cos you can't send a pm unlessyou are registered on freenode
[09:44] <cbx33> you can reply in here
[09:44] <elliot_> oh..
[09:44] <ogra> thats all that should be in rcS.d on the client: mountvirtfs hostname.sh keymap.sh loopback udev mountdevsubfs module-init-tools procps.sh etc-setserial ltsp-client-setup setserial console-screen.sh xorg-common
[09:45] <ogra> and thats all that should be in rc2.d : ltsp-client nbd-client usplash rmnologin stop-bootlogd
[09:45] <ogra> all other scripts should be disabled
[09:45] <elliot_> It looks to me like you are querying your new dns server and it is giving the correct ip, but the parent is giving the old ip for ns servers?  Did you update your ns records?
[09:45] <ogra> elliot_, you are sure you only run ubuntu bits on that machine ? 
[09:46] <elliot_> ubuntu only.
[09:46] <cbx33> elliot_, how do you mean update the NS records....if you ping them they are pointing to the right place
[09:46] <cbx33> it is the NIC records that are wrong
[09:46] <cbx33> i have no control over those
[09:46] <ogra> elliot_, then i wonder where "starting rc.local" comes from
[09:46] <elliot_> cbx33, guess I'm out of my league on that question.
[09:46] <cbx33> i was presuming they change themselves eventually?
[09:46] <ogra> since its not supposed to be there
[09:46] <elliot_> ogra, me too.
[09:47] <ogra> thats dapper, right ? 
[09:47] <elliot_> As far as I can tell the things that control the boot are, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf  yaboot.conf and lts.conf right, and yes dapper.
[09:48] <ogra> lts.conf is only for tewaking autodetection
[09:48] <ogra> so the only important bits are dhcp, tftp and nfs
[09:48] <elliot_> ok, so if dhcpd.conf and yaboot.conf are right it should boot? oh, yes and exports/
[09:49] <ogra> yes and if there is no other dhcp server in the client network
[09:49] <elliot_> any chance the export needs to be sync not async?
[09:49] <cbx33> elliot_, think I have it sorted now :D
[09:49] <ogra> /opt/ltsp       *(rw,no_root_squash,async)
[09:49] <elliot_> yeah, that's what I have
[09:50] <ogra> thats the default, works on all setups here
[09:50] <elliot_> ok
[09:50] <ogra> and since yu can mount manually, it seems tzo be ok
[09:50] <elliot_> right, so what script runs them all?
[09:51] <ogra> there is no single script
[09:51] <ogra> so you are sure you dont run any other dhcp server in that network ?
[09:52] <elliot_> ok, then where is rcS.d that you mentioned.  I have rc0.d -> rc.6.d and essentially an empty rc.local
[09:52] <elliot_> yes
[09:52] <ogra> its in etc in the client chroot
[09:52] <ogra> /opt/ltsp/powerpc/etc/rcS.d
[09:52] <ogra> and /opt/ltsp/powerpc/etc/rc2.d
[09:52] <ogra> are the two dirs used for booting
[09:53] <ogra> but if there is more in them than the services i listed above, something went wrong with your install
[09:54] <elliot_> ok, so the problem could be that I built this image from an edubuntu install not from a live disk?
[09:54] <ogra> not really
[09:54] <elliot_> hmm
[09:54] <ogra> what do you mean with "built that image" ?
[09:55] <ogra> the ltsp-build-client run ? 
[09:55] <elliot_> I ran ltsp-build-client on an installed machine, not a live-cd machine
[09:55] <ogra> that shouldnt matter as long as the package is up to date
[09:55] <ogra> (the ltsp-server package)
[09:55] <elliot_> it is up-to date, as of yesterday or so.
[09:56] <elliot_> ok, found the rcS.d, it was just off the screen on my last ls
[09:56] <ogra> you dont happen to have a log from the ltsp-client-builder run ? 
[09:56] <elliot_> looks like it has what you said it should.
[09:59] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/powerpc dpkg -l ldm
[10:00] <elliot_> chroot: cannot run command `dpkg': Exec format error
[10:02] <elliot_> OK, this one is starting to piss me off, isn't /etc/network/interfaces the only place to specify the ip address?  It keeps grabbing 192.168.0.250 for some reason.
[10:03] <ogra> oh, damned, right, you can only run it from the client 
[10:03] <ogra> ls /opt/ltsp/powerpc/usr/sbin/ldm
[10:04] <elliot_> doesn't exist.
[10:04] <ogra> thats your problem then
[10:05] <ogra> didnt you specify a range up to 192.168.0.250 for the clients ? 
[10:05] <elliot_> yes, but the server keeps getting that address.
[10:05] <ogra> (on dhcpd.conf)
[10:05] <ogra> how ? 
[10:06] <ogra> the IP of the server *must* be static
[10:06] <elliot_> beats me the damn thing is set to static in interfaces.
[10:08] <elliot_> both /etc/network/interfaces and the gui networking (which I assume reads and writes the former) report 192.168.0.1 static.
[10:08] <ogra> thats fine
[10:09] <ogra> can you paste ifconfig -a to a pastebin ? 
[10:09] <ogra> and your dhcpd.conf as well ?
[10:09] <elliot_> pastebin?
[10:09] <ogra> paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:11] <elliot_> that is too cool.
[10:11] <elliot_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14138
[10:14] <ogra> hmm, looks fine 
[10:14] <ogra> where or when is your IP reset to .250 ?
[10:15] <elliot_> what is this folder supposed to contain?
[10:15] <elliot_> "/opt/ltsp/powerpc/usr/sbin/ldm
[10:15] <ogra> nothing, its a binary that gets installed by ltsp-build-client
[10:15] <elliot_> hmm
[10:15] <ogra> the login manager in fact
[10:16] <elliot_> so that could be why the login manager isn't loading/
[10:16] <elliot_> and maybe I can't login because the ssh keys aren't working
[10:16] <ogra> yep, but you couldnt boot, so one step after another :)
[10:16] <elliot_> I think maybe it is booting now.
[10:17] <elliot_> It gets me to a dapper login, but I can't login, and it is on a shell login.
[10:17] <ogra> no, you cant login, there are no accounts in a ltsp client 
[10:17] <ogra> ok
[10:18] <elliot_> oh, ok, so .... that means it is only partly booting?
[10:18] <ogra> so mount the chroot rw from your client you used to run ltsp-build-client and run sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/powerpc apt-get install ldm
[10:18] <elliot_> I fixed my sshkey problem by creating /opt/ltsp/powerpc/etc/ssh/
[10:18] <ogra> that will give you the login manager
[10:19] <elliot_> Ok, brb
[10:19] <ogra> ssh has nothing to do with it yet
[10:19] <ogra> youre not at the point where you even use ssh :)
[10:21] <cbx33> hehe
[10:21] <elliot_> ok, thats going to take a while, something like 127 pkgs to install
[10:21] <cbx33> ogra, gcompris really did screw up my system the other day....but I'm working on the problem tomorrow
[10:21] <ogra> ouch, something went clearly wrong with your install
[10:22] <ogra> i'm not sure its right what happens there now
[10:24] <elliot_> ooooohhh, oops, forgot to set the date again, these imacs reset to 1970 or something when they reboot, well if that messes it up I'll have to try again tomorrow.
[10:24] <highvoltage> hi #edubuntu :)
[10:24] <highvoltage> hi ogra 
[10:25] <HedgeMage> hi highvoltage 
[10:25] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[10:28] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 
[10:28] <highvoltage> ogra: when is docfreeze again?
[10:29] <highvoltage> ogra: do you know more or less when flight 8 is being launched?
[10:29] <elliot_> ogra, thanks for your help, I'll pound away at this again tomorrow.  
[10:30] <elliot_> Everyone else thanks #edubuntu
[10:30] <ogra> highvoltage, no idea look at the release schedule
[10:30] <ogra> flight 8 is planned for thursday/friday
[10:32] <Burgwork> highvoltage, doc freeze happened a long time ago and edubuntu decided not to follow that. Do you have your own internal one?
[10:32] <Burgwork> the esa has a freeze of this friday
[10:32] <ogra> highvoltage, lest say end of the week for edubuntu
[10:33] <ogra> that way i have the weekend to throw it in
[10:33] <highvoltage> ok, nice
[10:33] <cbx33> ogra, is ltsp going into ubuntu doc?
[10:33] <highvoltage> Burgwork: not that i know of specifically
[10:34] <highvoltage> ogra: for docs that ship with edubuntu, would the gettingstarted guide, lab layout guide, and the lts.conf finetuning guide suffice?
[10:34] <ogra> cbx33, ??
[10:34] <highvoltage> ogra: i can't think of anything else that's doable that would be helpful.
[10:35] <ogra> highvoltage, i think yes, even i'm a bit worried about the size of the screenshots
[10:35] <highvoltage> Burgwork: thanks for that info
[10:35] <ogra> can we make then jpegs ? 
[10:35] <highvoltage> yeah :/
[10:35] <highvoltage> yes, i can do that
[10:35] <highvoltage> or 'we', whatever comes first :)
[10:36] <cbx33> ogra, is esa going in docs?
[10:36] <cbx33> and are the ltsp apges going in docs?
[10:43] <LaserJock> cbx33: esa won't be in the ubuntu-docs package
[10:44] <ogra> we're close to the edge wrt CD size (actually amd64 grew again to being 1.3M oversized)
[10:45] <cbx33> yeh thats what i thought
[10:45] <ogra> i fear addint *anything* might let i386 explode again
[10:45] <LaserJock> heh
[10:46] <cbx33> ok ogra i'll try to prevent it exploding
[10:48] <HedgeMage> Hey folks just a heads-up I'm /away but if you hilight me I'm still semi-watching this chan... had to put the DND sign up to try to finish my cookbook stuff
[10:48] <HedgeMage> apparently, it's a mystery that I have a life :P
[10:48] <cbx33> :p
[10:50] <pygi> HedgeMage, o, nice :)
[10:50] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:02] <highvoltage> ogra: as .png's the images total 535KB
[11:02] <highvoltage> i will convert to .jpg now and see how much i can shave off
[11:05] <highvoltage> ogra: i've only converted one image to jpg for a test, and the d-i screenshots get larger (and very distorted) as .jpg's
[11:15] <cbx33> highvoltage, try a range of jpgs
[11:15] <cbx33> sometimes, they compress better, sometimes worse
[11:15] <cbx33> what quality setting did you use?
[11:17] <highvoltage> cbx33: it seems like with all the d-i screenshots, they do much worse
[11:17] <highvoltage> i thin .png wins with areas where a solid colour covers a big area
[11:17] <highvoltage> such as the d-i screenshits
[11:17] <highvoltage> urgh
[11:17] <highvoltage> *screenshots
[11:28] <cbx33> highvoltage, go with those then :p
[11:30] <highvoltage> goodnight ogra, cbx33 and the rest of #edubuntu :)
[11:53] <kwwii> anyway...enough about that
[12:00] <kwwii> erm, wrong channel
[12:01] <kwwii> night
[12:01] <LaserJock> lol