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[12:48] <raphink> hmm interesting malone 44920
[12:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44920 in kdebase "KDEROOTHOME set incorrectly; user settings ignored" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44920
[12:49] <raphink> Riddell: are you around?
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[01:09] <Riddell> raphink: hi
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[10:21] <pygi> abattoir, hi :)
[10:29] <pygi> from JaneW:
[10:29] <pygi> JaneW SoC mentors: I will try to mail later (but our mail is down again here...) please can you look at finalising the application review, ranking and make your selections for mentoring by COB tomorrow (wed 17 May).
[10:35] <abattoir> hi pygi...
[10:36] <abattoir> :) 
[10:36] <pygi> whats up abattoir ? :)
[10:36] <abattoir> well, the penultimate exam got over today... :) 
[10:37] <abattoir> have one more to go... but that's like 9 days away... so holidays have temporarily begun :) 
[10:37] <abattoir> was that second message for me?
[10:45] <ajmitch_> probably a notice that decisions about ubuntu SoC projects will be known soon 
[10:45] <pygi> abattoir, no :-P
[10:46] <pygi> abattoir, that was for SoC mentors :)
[10:47] <ajmitch_> and then the students sit & wait for another week :)
[10:48] <pygi> indeed ajmitch_ :)
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[12:00] <OdyX> Riddell: As far as I see it, "dynamic mode" in latest Amarok does not work anymore (says "No track to add" (or something like that), as I DO have tracks...
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[12:10] <OdyX> Riddell: one more... Complains about libvisual when trying visualisations, as they are installed.
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[01:38] <OdyX> Riddell: one more... :| amaroK tries to send mail everytime it meets "bugs", but my music goes on. seems xine bug ?
[01:54] <Riddell> OdyX: is this amarok 1.4 or 1.3?
[01:55] <OdyX> Riddell: latest, from your repos.
[01:55] <OdyX> 1.4 then
[01:55] <Riddell> oh, I don't care about that one :)
[01:55] <Riddell> only fixes for dapper I'm afraid
[01:56] <OdyX> Riddell: what do you mean by "I don't care" ? Won't be corrected, because 1.3 (Dapper's default) works just fine ?
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[02:44] <jjesse> i sent out an email about the location of the meeting logs in the wiki, did anyone have any thoughts on that?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> jjesse: my only thought is that i dont really care, except that it's findable
[02:44] <Hobbsee> and in the topic :P
[02:45] <jjesse> Hobbsee: i think no one else cared either :)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> true...
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[02:54] <Hobbsee> that topic needs updating, too...
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[03:14] <raphink> Riddell: could you add "Name[fr] =Ajouter/Supprimer des programmes" to http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/ept/installer/adept_installer.desktop?rev=539472&view=markup please?
[03:15] <mornfall|mx> raphink: doesn't sound like a great idea to me, shouldn't that be ran over by scripty in next run?
[03:15] <mornfall|mx> kde .desktop files have .po files
[03:16] <raphink> mornfall|mx: where is the po for adept desktop files?
[03:16] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ept/+translations
[03:20] <raphink> mornfall|mx: ?
[03:20] <raphink> I searched for po for adept desktop files and didn't find any
[03:22] <mornfall|mx> raphink: i have no idea, but i suppose they are in kde svn
[03:22] <mornfall|mx> raphink: try asking Riddell 
[03:22] <raphink> this is what I did mornfall|mx
[03:23] <mornfall|mx> :-)
[03:23] <raphink> I'm worried that we might have adept desktop files in english only for the release
[03:23] <raphink> the desktops are in the kde svn 
[03:23] <raphink> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/ept/installer/adept_installer.desktop?rev=539472&view=markup
[03:24] <mornfall|mx> raphink: desktops yes, but the translations in them are extracted from .po
[03:24] <raphink> haven't found this po
[03:24] <mornfall|mx> somewhere under l10n
[03:24] <raphink> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/fr/messages/playground-sysadmin/
[03:24] <raphink> oh stupid me
[03:24] <raphink> lol
[03:25] <raphink> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/fr/messages/playground-sysadmin/desktop_playground-sysadmin.po?rev=534627&view=log I guess
[03:25] <mornfall|mx> if you commit changes to that .po, next scripty run (tonight i think?) should add them to .desktop files
[03:25] <raphink> no
[03:26] <raphink> I see that I submitted translations in it months ago
[03:26] <raphink> that were not updated
[03:26] <raphink> e.g. 
[03:26] <raphink> #: ept/installer/adept_installer.desktop:3
[03:26] <raphink> #, fuzzy
[03:26] <raphink> msgid "Name=Add/Remove Programs"
[03:26] <raphink> msgstr "Ajout/Suppression de logiciels"
[03:26] <raphink> this was not added to the desktop
[03:26] <raphink> although it was submitted long ago
[03:27] <mornfall|mx> no idea really
[03:27] <mornfall|mx> i have a bunch of translations
[03:27] <mornfall|mx> not french though
[03:28] <freeflying> mornfall|mx: good news for you, adept can work with scim now  :)
[03:28] <mornfall|mx> freeflying: nice
[03:28] <freeflying> mornfall|mx: thx
[03:28] <mornfall|mx> freeflying: someone fixed scim or the putenv worked?
[03:28] <freeflying> mornfall|mx: putenv works
[03:28] <mornfall|mx> cool
[03:28] <mornfall|mx> --> breakfast
[03:29] <mornfall|mx> see ya
[03:29] <raphink> mornfall|mx: in your opinion
[03:29] <raphink> should the desktop files be synced from the svn ?
[03:29] <raphink> or the whole app?
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[03:48] <kwwii> does anyone know if the kubuntu and ubuntu wiki have the same login stuff?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> kwwii: afaik, they do
[03:49] <kwwii> Hobbsee: thanks :.-)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> yep, they do :)
[03:50] <Riddell> yes, launchpad e-mail needed
[03:50] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell 
[03:51] <Riddell> good morning Hobbsee 
[03:51] <kwwii> ouch, so I am posting to the ubuntu list with my kde.org email address
[03:51] <kwwii> this should go well
[03:51] <Hobbsee> kwwii: heh, would people really notice?
[03:52] <Riddell> kwwii: is that kdm artwork you made suitable for packaging?
[03:52] <kwwii> Hobbsee: desktop choice is a religion 
[03:52] <Hobbsee> kwwii: no kidding :P
[03:52] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, I still wanted to fix the buttons (already started on that)...can you give me a few more hours?
[03:53] <Riddell> sure, take as long as you want
[03:54] <Hobbsee> kwwii: means that it done for my birthday will be about right then :P
[03:54] <kwwii> :-)
[03:54] <kwwii> just for you!
[03:54] <Riddell> and if you want to plan with the gdm XML file to get the go arrow button next to the text field that would be lovely
[03:54] <Hobbsee> ie, july :P
[03:54] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, I'll check into that
[03:55] <kwwii> once this whole usplash stuff is sorted
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[04:04] <Hobbsee> yes, sabdfl, you missed the meeting by 2 hours.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> that's my kind of being on time to things!
[04:20] <kwwii> Hobbsee: are you crazy? Math is great!
[04:20] <Hobbsee> urgh!
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[04:21] <Hobbsee> it's due in.. 20.5 hours...
[04:24] <kwwii> :-)
[04:25] <Riddell> kwwii: are your slides ready to be uploaded with example content?
[04:26] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, I have the presentation, and the leaflet (but did not get around to building the package
[04:26] <kwwii> )
[04:28] <Riddell> ah, so you're waiting on someone teaching you .deb packaging
[04:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee knows all about that
[04:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:29] <Hobbsee> not really from scratch though...
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i suppose that a kopete 0.12 final coming out in may is *far* too late to be included in dapper?
[04:29] <Riddell> yep
[04:30] <Hobbsee> thought so.  pity.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and when is this kubuntu council made all official?
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[04:31] <Riddell> I'm going to try and send out a post to the mailing list today
[04:31] <Riddell> and we have a meeting next week as I remember
[04:31] <Hobbsee> oh do we?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> when?
[04:31] <Riddell> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[04:31] <Riddell> 22nd 21:00
[04:32] <Hobbsee> tuesday morning, awesome!
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that patch fixing the crashes for kopete with the webcams doesnt seem to have been applied to the breezy 3.5 packages...can we fix this?
[04:37] <kwwii> to be honest, I am hoping to find 15min time to anything other than draw pretty pictures :-)
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[04:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sure
[04:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: send me the debdiff
[04:49] <Hobbsee> heh.  why'd i think you'd say something like that?
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[04:51] <freeflying> Hobbsee: can you install breezy's pbuilder on your dapper system
[04:51] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i'm fairly sure you can have multiple pbuilders, yes
[04:51] <freeflying> Hobbsee: but not the breezy's
[04:51] <Hobbsee> why not breezy?
[04:52] <freeflying> do't know, but sid's is well
[05:04] <Riddell> test koffice   deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-151 dapper main
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ooh fun :)
[05:09] <OdyX> Riddell: 1.5 final too ?
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[05:14] <Riddell> OdyX: if 1.5.1 is without problems I might ask for an UVF exception, it's only a bugfix release
[05:14] <OdyX> Riddell: downloading
[05:14] <OdyX> Riddell: in everycase, it's not default in kubuntu-desktop, huh =
[05:15] <Riddell> krita is
[05:16] <OdyX> sure
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[06:45] <apachelogger> kate is default editor, isn't it?
[06:45] <OdyX> Riddell: Impossible to enter "Page break" with Kword...
[06:45] <OdyX> apachelogger: I think.
[06:45] <apachelogger> aye, thx :)
[06:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[06:45] <OdyX> Riddell: well.. not with empty page...
[06:46] <OdyX> Riddell: try... It does not work here...
[06:46] <Riddell> is it ment to work on empty pages?
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[06:47] <OdyX> Riddell: Well... When I ask a "Page break", i want a Page Break,...
[06:47] <OdyX> Riddell: and the comportement is very bizarre. Sometimes work, sometimes no.
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[06:48] <OdyX> Riddell: can't define when it works and when it does not...
[06:49] <OdyX> Riddell: don't even work with some words/lines
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[07:35] <Riddell> ok, who wants to answer to this one? http://launchpad.net/bugs/45004
[07:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45004 in kdebase "konqueror :filebrowser profile only available" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
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[07:43] <kwwii> what exactly is the bug?
[07:44] <kwwii> I mean, it is a problem with an old config, or?
[07:46] <kwwii> guess it was a packaging error, since all of them are now gone...only most of them should be gone :-)
[07:47] <Riddell> I think the bug reporter is complaining that they hvae gone
[07:50] <kwwii> well, that is not clear at all....I would answer it by closing it and saying that there are two profiles available so the bug is incorrect
[07:50] <kwwii> did Tonio simply remove them or did he make another package out of them?
[07:51] <Riddell> he removed them
[07:55] <kwwii> well, it does not say anything about someone missing the old profiles, simply that there are none available, which is incorrect
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[07:58] <kwwii> erm, Tonio did not simply remove them all did he?
[07:59] <Riddell> as I remember he did
[07:59] <Riddell> can't see it in the changelog now
[08:02] <kmon> OT: Anyone knows here it kubuntu.de packages are in german only?
[08:03] <Riddell> what package do you want from them?
[08:03] <kmon> kaffeine 0.8
[08:03] <Riddell> fair enough
[08:03] <kmon> in english at least
[08:03] <Riddell> they won't have taken out any translations
[08:03] <Riddell> and can't take out english
[08:04] <kmon> it would be nice if a common repo was built
[08:04] <kmon> or something similar...
[08:04] <Riddell> for what?
[08:05] <kmon> anyway. thanks Riddell
[08:05] <kmon> for extra packages
[08:05] <kmon> like amarok, kaffeine
[08:05] <kmon> so you don't have to do the build youself
[08:05] <kmon> I imagine you're quite busy with live installer
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[08:09] <Riddell> today I'm busy with docs, these things take ages to compile
[08:10] <kmon> Riddell: ok, thanks anyway
[08:11] <kmon> after dapper release
[08:12] <kmon> it would be nice if the wiki certificate included kubuntu.org
[08:12] <kmon> people in support channel complain about the error message
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[08:12] <Riddell> that's the sysadmin's job, I should poke them
[08:12] <kmon> that would be nice
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[08:16] <kmon> Riddell: are you going to go to debconf?
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[08:28] <Riddell> nope
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[09:02] <pygi> Riddell, poke
[09:05] <Riddell> pygi: hi
[09:05] <pygi> have you looked over all KDE related applications? 
[09:05] <pygi> I would like your answer there, so I could rank them :)
[09:09] <Riddell> yes, I looked over them all last week, they should all have coments from me
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[09:11] <pygi> Riddell, ergh, just a sec
[09:13] <pygi> "Riddell, what happened with discussion?
[09:13] <pygi> Is the application ok, and is he ready & able to do 
[09:13] <pygi> this work?"
[09:13] <pygi> on http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=yuriy.kozlov@gmail.com:16485917:52b034bb
[09:13] <pygi> and you need to tell JaneW what applications to assign to you btw.
[09:15] <Riddell> it's impossible to know if he can manage it, he's not responded at all
[09:16] <pygi> urgh :-/
[09:16] <pygi> and that is with several KDE application :(
[09:17] <pygi> LVM support, KDE formatting tool, Wine module, CUPS ...
[09:17] <pygi> none of them ever responded :-/
[09:18] <Riddell> you'd htink these people didn't use IRC or something
[09:20] <pygi> We do really need some of this things, but how can we be sure they will end up implementing that and we can count on them :-/
[09:20] <pygi> do I have your permision to threat them ? :P
[09:21] <Riddell> how would you do that?
[09:22] <pygi> hm, mail? :)
[09:22] <pygi> every project we want is supposed to be assigned to mentor by tommorow :-/
[09:23] <pygi> I really don't want we miss this oportunity :-/
[09:26] <Riddell> sure, e-mail away
[09:27] <pygi> Riddell, hm, oki
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[09:28] <Riddell> thanks
[09:31] <pygi> Riddell, oki, mail away
[09:31] <pygi> let's see what happens now :-
[09:31] <pygi> :-/
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[09:49] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/DapperPropositions
[09:50] <kwwii> check out the 8th picture
[09:50] <kwwii> closely
[09:50] <kwwii> it appears that we are rats
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[09:51] <pygi> kwwii, urgh, http://ftpmerou.free.fr/ubuntu/usplash16couleurs.png :-
[09:51] <pygi> this is bad :)
[09:51] <kwwii> haha, yeah that is true
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[10:02] <pygi> kwwii, :-P
[10:02] <yuriylap> poke pygi
[10:02] <yuriylap> got email just now, didnt get any "calls"
[10:02] <pygi> hm, yuriylap ?
[10:02] <pygi> yuriylap,comments on applications :)
[10:03] <pygi> have you even looked at them ? :P
[10:03] <yuriylap> i submitted one
[10:03] <pygi> ergh, I know you did
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[10:03] <pygi> but you havent looked/responded to comments we made
[10:04] <pygi> ergh, yes, I know
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[10:05] <pygi> yuriylap, do you know how to look at comments? :-/
[10:05] <yuriylap> ah ic now
[10:06] <yuriylap> exams all last week, didn't realize there could be comments there, etc
[10:06] <pygi> anyway, we  really should discuss it :)
[10:06] <pygi> Riddell, meet yuriylap ,the CUPS guy
[10:06] <yuriylap> well... I don't expect easy work
[10:07] <yuriylap> as soon as i'm done unpacking from college i will get on with the reviewing of c++ and learning the API.  it's a lot of work but i think i can manage
[10:08] <pygi> Riddell, please :)
[10:09] <pygi> yuriylap, also we feel that the plan of implementation is lacking...
[10:09] <pygi> actually it doesnt exist :)
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[10:13] <yuriylap> umm... quite true
[10:13] <yuriylap> i guess I don't actually know how much needs to be done
[10:13] <pygi> ergh, that is no good :-/
[10:13] <Riddell> hi yuriylap 
[10:14] <pygi> o finaly :)
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[10:17] <yuriylap> honestly, on that one it just sounded like something I could do, but I don't know that much about it.  the other one seemed quite a bit more interesting ;)
[10:22] <pygi> other one?
[10:23] <yuriylap> the wine config screen one that's actually a KDE project, but somebody had posted it on the ubuntu wiki so i submitted it to you too.
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[10:25] <pygi> ok, that also need discussion :)
[10:25] <Riddell> yuriylap: how much c++ do you know?
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[10:28] <mdke> Riddell: hi, shall we talk in here?
[10:28] <yuriylap> we got through making classes, but that was 3 years ago. since then it's pretty much been java.  I know enough to be able to understand and modify existing code, but not enough to write anything big from scratch.
[10:29] <Riddell> sure
[10:29] <mdke> Riddell: can't what the email?
[10:29] <Riddell> find
[10:29] <Riddell> if you sent me one
[10:30] <mdke> Riddell: ok. I can see if I still have it, or we can just talk through it
[10:30] <yuriylap> I'm sorry, can I get back in a couple of hours, I had plans and people are waiting for me
[10:31] <mdke> the problem is essentially this. In our repo, the translations are structured like this: guidename/locale/*.xml But in kde-land, it looks like the stuff is in usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/locale/kubuntu/guidename
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[10:31] <mdke> Riddell: and by default, the relevant locale is only installed if you have the relevant kde translation
[10:32] <pygi> yuriylap, ah :-/
[10:32] <yuriylap> sorry, I should have looked for comments earlier
[10:32] <Riddell> yuriylap: sure
[10:33] <mdke> Riddell: so if we shipped all the translations in kubuntu-docs, I don't know whether we can just install them in the directory /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/$locale/kubuntu before the $locale directory exists. Am I making any sense at all?
[10:33] <Riddell> mdke: sure that should be no problem
[10:34] <Riddell> but wow all these translations take ages to compile
[10:34] <mdke> should be quite quick...
[10:34] <mdke> we'll need some quite fancy symlinks too
[10:35] <Riddell> why?
[10:35] <mdke> because a lot of things are shared between all the locales, namely the css, and the sample directory for the desktop guide
[10:36] <mdke> installing those for every locale would be painful
[10:36] <mdke> or would it?
[10:37] <Riddell> I'm sure I can work around that
[10:37] <mdke> yeah, I reckon you can
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[10:38] <mdke> Riddell: you're right, they take ages to compile, it must be a bug
[10:38] <mdke> it's waiting to download the dtd from the intraweb
[10:38] <Riddell> ah
[10:38] <mdke> if you take down your net connection, it will build real fast. I'll see if I can sort that out
[10:39] <Riddell> eek, i can't do that
[10:39] <mdke> well, I'll ping you if I find the answer
[10:39] <Riddell> :)
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[10:46] <mdke> Riddell: ah, gottit
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[10:47] <mdke> Riddell: i've committed a fix to our repo
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[11:09] <Riddell> ah, much faster :)
[11:10] <mdke> good
[11:10] <poimen> sup!?
[11:11] <kwwii> Riddell: sent new kdm pics
[11:12] <poimen> I want to sse it too :D
[11:12] <poimen> I am right now running the latest dapper 
[11:12] <poimen> :)
[11:12] <poimen> but I installed with the rc 1 disk
[11:12] <kwwii> well, the kdm will look better in the final :-)
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[11:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: you haven't got accidental a sarge chroot?
[11:21] <Riddell> nope
[11:25] <raphink> kwwii: great
[11:25] <raphink> kwwii: got new things for kubuntu ?
[11:25] <kwwii> raphink: yepp, just sent it off to Riddell
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[11:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, you got the mail about new tarball?
[11:26] <raphink> kwwii: got screenshots?
[11:27] <kwwii> raphink: the tar.bz2 is http://bootsplash.org/newKDM.tar.bz2
[11:27] <raphink> let's see
[11:27] <kwwii> there is an xcf in there which shows the whole thing, kinda
[11:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: no
[11:29] <Riddell> well, probably but I havn't checked
[11:29] <Riddell> what's in it?
[11:29] <apachelogger> http://rokymotion.pwsp.net/nightly-builds/1.4.0/amarok-1.4.0.tar.bz2
[11:29] <apachelogger> we made a new tarball
[11:29] <apachelogger> or actually we included 2 fixes into the old
[11:30] <apachelogger> one about the issue with playing audiocds on xine and another about collection loss after not using amaroK for a while
[11:33] <Riddell> ho hum
[11:34] <kwwii> Riddell will stop listening to music soon
[11:36] <OdyX> Riddell: krita 1.5 still do NOT display the xcf in ~/Examples
[11:40] <OdyX> kwwii: well... background just blue now.. :D
[11:41] <kwwii> OdyX: all the pics are different :-)
[11:41] <kwwii> check the buttons, that is noticeable
[11:41] <OdyX> kwwii: but not "totally".. :D
[11:41] <OdyX> NOTE: I had to install gimp...
[11:41] <mdke> Riddell: i'm off to bed. feel free to mail me if you need to know how anything in there works, or if you want me to test a package. Oh, and ian did an upload today, you might need to merge the changelog
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[11:42] <kwwii> OdyX: it does fit much better with the other artwork now though
[11:43] <kwwii> Riddell: do you have the newest wallpaper?
[11:43] <OdyX> kwwii: sure !!
[11:43] <Riddell> kwwii: umm, dunno, do I?
[11:43] <kwwii> I'll send it just in case
[11:44] <poimen> what is the new wallpaper?
[11:46] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/testbg.png
[11:48] <poimen> that is the same of the rc1 right?
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[11:52] <poimen> I looks bether :)
[11:52] <poimen> OK its more blue :) nicer :)
[11:53] <kwwii> :-)
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