[12:37] <kwwii> hehe
[12:37] <kwwii> hi all
[12:48] <kwwii> can anyone tell me where the usplash ideas for dapper are?
[12:48] <kwwii> hi jimmac :-)
[12:52] <cas> Hi, Is someone here who's responsible for the icons in ubuntu?
[12:53] <cas> I just have updated the new set (dapper+1) but I think there went something wrong with the OO.o icons. The writer looks like impressions and Draw and Math don't fit in.
[12:55] <cas> sorry never mind, I just found the bugreport
[12:55] <cas> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/44934 if anyone got interested
[12:56] <jimmac> howdy kwwii
[09:38] <nysosym> hi all
[09:39] <nysosym> ?
[09:40] <nysosym> only silence inside? ^^
[09:42] <kwwii> hi
[09:43] <nysosym> is only my "graphic" icon in gnome panel blurry or is this a regular "bug" ?
[09:49] <kwwii> sounds like a bug, perhaps it does not find the right size
[09:52] <nysosym> http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blurryicon3co.jpg  << here my problem by "Grafik"
[10:16] <mdke> hi there
[10:17] <mdke> the yellow trashcan for tangerine is not good: it clashes with the orange in the workspace selector right next to it, and the orange in the bottom right of maximised windows, like browsers
[10:17] <mdke> any chance of an orange trashcan?
[11:21] <omeg> Wooh, progress on the wiki
[11:22] <andreasn> huh?
[11:22] <omeg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/DapperPropositions
[11:22] <omeg> People have been posting propositions for a new splash screen since Mark asked them to on the mailing list.
[11:22] <omeg> I also posted a few at the bottom (currently, as of this revision, they're at the bottom, by Michiel3)
[11:23] <omeg> I'm waiting for TroySobotka to stop editing so I can post some more.
[11:24] <kwwii> omeg: killer stuff you made
[11:24] <kwwii> erm....guess you did not make them
[11:24] <kwwii> ?
[11:24] <andreasn> hey kwwii
[11:24] <kwwii> howdy andreasn
[11:25] <omeg> kwwii: depends on which ones you mean?
[11:26] <omeg> Omeg == Michiel3 on the wiki.
[11:26] <kwwii> cool, then you did make them :-)
[11:26] <omeg> Maybe a little confusing. Maybe I should just try and change my nickname to "Msikma" everywhere...
[11:26] <omeg> Thanks :)
[11:26] <kwwii> the different nicks confused me
[11:26] <kwwii> are those pics in 16 colors already?
[11:27] <omeg> By the way, I think yours are really nice too, but it might benefit from being a little larger. That way, the bevel-like lighter color that you've given yours would look a little better (and would help the conversation to 16 colors, probably).
[11:27] <omeg> Yeah, they are.
[11:28] <kwwii> yes, you are right about the size
[11:28] <omeg> I had to manually tweak the palette a little to make sure the shadow gets less colors and the body a few more, due to the gradients, though.
[11:28] <kwwii> I made them bigger but scaled them down for some reason :-)
[11:28] <omeg> Did you make them in Inkscape?
[11:28] <kwwii> the glow comes over very well...better than in older ones I saw
[11:28] <kwwii> yepp
[11:29] <omeg> The older ones that you saw were probably already reduced in size to adhere to the screen stretching, that kind of kills the dithering if you don't do it from 16.7m colors to 16 colors.
[11:29] <omeg> I really need to get Inkscape.
[11:30] <omeg> I'm not sure if it will make me want to stop using Illustrator, though...
[11:30] <kwwii> hehe
[11:30] <kwwii> I like AI a lot too
[11:30] <kwwii> the interface is much better
[11:31] <kwwii> and some of the functions work simply better, like the gradient editor
[11:31] <omeg> Hmmm
[11:31] <omeg> The dithering on that last image is a little off on top of the logo
[11:32] <kwwii> yeah
[11:32] <andreasn> I more fond of inkscape than illustrator, as it works better when doing icons
[11:32] <kwwii> from what I gather the simple logo is a very popular alternativce
[11:33] <kwwii> andreasn: the icon preview function rocks
[11:33] <andreasn> I never made that work for me
[11:33] <omeg> By the way, how do you attach images in a wiki page?
[11:33] <omeg> I just link to my personal webspace at the moment.
[11:33] <kwwii> I load them to my webserver
[11:34] <kwwii> but it appears that an attachmet: tag is in it, not sure how that works
[11:35] <omeg> By the way, kwwii, I think you should post your mockups without the squishing that would make it ready for use in a real boot screen. Just so we can get a better view of how it will actually look.
[11:35] <kwwii> hehe, now that I look at the pics I submitted, I have to admit that I did use AI to make them
[11:35] <kwwii> omeg: yeah, I was thinking that too
[11:35] <omeg> Hmm... can't embed an aspect ratio in PNG images, right?
[11:35] <kwwii> nope
[11:36] <kwwii> and the ignorant gwenview in kde always smooths scaled pics
[11:38] <omeg> I'm thinking that I should keep a blog about ubuntu development.
[11:38] <omeg> There are usually interesting things being mentioned in the mailing lists.
[11:39] <omeg> It's something that could be worth writing about. Few screenshots of new cool stuff here and there.
[11:39] <omeg> Do you think people would like to read that?
[11:39] <kwwii> very true
[11:39] <kwwii> I know that I spent hours looking for info
[11:40] <kwwii> write a nice page on how to make usplash artwork and include the correct colormap info :-)
[11:43] <omeg> Yeah, I would. I think that it might be a cool idea.
[11:43] <omeg> I've never (seriously) blogged before, though, so I hope I won't get bored :)
[11:44] <kwwii> I am not much of a blogger either
[11:45] <andreasn> kwwii: do you know who the maintainer of the high-contrast theme for kde is?
[11:45] <omeg> Finally, I have a lock on the wikipage
[11:46] <andreasn> kwwii: as you are into kde-artwork a bit better than I am
[11:47] <kwwii> andreasn: hehe, you want to start a fight, don't you?
[11:47] <kwwii> lol
[11:47] <andreasn> what?
[11:47] <kwwii> andreasn: I guess the best person to ask would be either james richard tryer
[11:47] <kwwii> or the accesability peeps
[11:47] <andreasn> cool
[11:48] <kwwii> the schmidt brothers
[11:48] <andreasn> drawing some kind of todo-list for myself, so I thought I should check some stuff
[11:49] <andreasn> why would I start a fight?
[11:49] <kwwii> there is a bigger issue concerning the fact that I, as kde artwork maintainer, told James to take care of the low and hicolor stuff and most of his patches get reverted
[11:49] <kwwii> but it is the bigger issue about how one interprets the xdg spec and how much the kde devs want to implement it correctly
[11:50] <andreasn> the xdg icon spec, or the naming-spec?
[11:50] <andreasn> or theme-spec or whatever it's called
[11:50] <kwwii> the xdg icon spec (specifically the part about the hicolor dir)
[11:51] <kwwii> long story made short: do all default icons belong in hicolor or only 3rd party apps
[11:52] <andreasn> ah
[11:52] <kwwii> the spec is very specific at the beginning and then at the end adds a bit of artistic stuff which leads to different interpretations
[11:53] <andreasn> you mean "It is recommended that the icons installed in the hicolor theme look neutral, since it is a fallback theme that will be used in combination with some very different looking themes. But if you don't have any neutral icon, please install whatever icon you have in the hicolor theme so that all applications get at least some icon in all themes."
[11:53] <omeg> Man, I have so many plans for Edgy.
[11:53] <omeg> I just got into development, though I've been monitoring the mailing lists a little.
[11:53] <andreasn> yeah, that's a bit tricky to imprent
[11:55] <andreasn> as I understand it, what is in the naming-spec goes into the theme, the rest gets installed by the apps into hicolor
[11:55] <kwwii> andreasn: exactly, and the hard part for me to understand is how several desktops/default-icon-themes can all install icons into hicolor
[11:55] <andreasn> but that means we need the naming-spec to be really good
[11:55] <kwwii> yeah, if the naming spec could cover that it would be nice, but I am afraid that the naming spec will get too complicated
[11:56] <andreasn> complicated in what way?
[11:57] <kwwii> take this case for instance: how could more than one default theme install icons in the same dir?
[11:57] <kwwii> it will only work if there is only one default theme for all desktops/window managers
[11:57] <kwwii> and there are soooo many out there
[11:57] <andreasn> yeah, I see what you mean
[11:58] <kwwii> the naming spec would have to be able to sort that out...but I have no idea how
[11:59] <andreasn> me neither, it would be bad to put every app on earth in there
[11:59] <kwwii> the thing is this: in gnome, every kde app is a 3rd party app, and vice versa
[12:00] <andreasn> say that you get all the normal stuff covered by the naming-spec, then you would only have the app-icon looking out of place
[12:01] <andreasn> and if that is a issue, the distro could provide a package with icons that overrides those app-icons
[12:01] <kwwii> andreasn: I think you will be amazed at how many kde apps use different icons
[12:02] <kwwii> I mean, the amarok guys are making their own theme just for amarok