[12:03] so is for Linspire-warez type stuff; or things (eg. Oracle) where you can probably get the program but have to pay to use it [12:03] a la, very expensive shareware === aigarius [n=aigarius@201.160.19.54.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] sladen: some of it is going to be distributed for free, although closed ;-) [12:08] (closed source, that is) === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] then commercial is _definitely_ the wrong word === AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-67-118.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] mdke, lets rather argue what bug we are to fix next :) [12:10] sivang: in wish case multiverse would be correct? [12:10] pygi: I'm better at arguing about words than fixing bugs, sadly [12:10] unless you have any documentation bugs [12:11] documentation bugs are also nice :-P lets go hunt them down :P [12:11] sladen: I believe so, closely reselmbling stuff on restricted-modules [12:11] sladen: btw, oracle now have XE (express edition) which is also for free, but closed. [12:15] and which comes with Ubuntu instructions... [12:15] are they working on certifying ubuntu/oracle? [12:15] <_ion> I agree with mdke. [12:15] I guess the difference is possibly the level of support that will be available from Canonical for it [12:15] in which case it'll be needing to go somewhere other than *verse [12:17] sladen: indeed. many have already blogged about it even [12:17] good night fellas [12:18] night dholbach [12:18] night sivang === ssam [n=ssam@80-41-16-92.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@201.160.20.139.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=Kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] <_ion> Hi keybuk [12:44] heyhey [12:46] morning [12:47] Bah. Am I the only one SAD that Sun's Java is in Multiverse? [12:48] wasabi: not at all, your feelings are shared by some. :) [12:49] wasabi: just not those that prefer convenience over freedom. [12:49] Naw. Even then. [12:49] Kaffe/GCJ/Classpath are quite good contenders for most of the "big" Java apps people keep requesting. [12:49] azureus, eclipse, etc. [12:49] tomcat. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] wasabi: unfortuntunatly in this day and age, freedom is not highly valued [12:51] even in these circles [12:51] HiddenWolf, freedom is still valued. Ubuntu is not installing it by defaut [12:53] Burgwork: I had a user in -nl claiming that, well, ubuntu suited his taste, and it was fun, and easy and different, but he just couldn't care about this "free software" thing, nor understand why people might. [12:53] Burgwork: that sucked. :) [12:54] HiddenWolf, the great jdub has "they came for the quality and stayed for the freedom" [12:54] remember the long now [12:56] Burgwork: I sure hope so. :) [12:56] hey Keybuk , also in Mexico ? [12:57] sivang: nope [12:57] ah, then just switched your day and night times? :) [12:57] my day/night times are variable at the best of times [12:58] there gmt, and zulu, and keybuk === j^ [n=j@e178015081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] lifeless: lol [01:03] hmm [01:03] I need chocolate and ice cream === jarjar_must_die [n=CoreTex@adsl-69-110-47-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] anyway, it's way after my bed time here. [01:12] laters === ctd_ [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcole [n=jcole@palrel2.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-67-118.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@201.160.20.136.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508D8BCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _jdong [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] Anybody still interesting in an ARM port? === jdong_ [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable150.222-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === caleb- [n=caleb@219-84-15-89-adsl-tpe.STATIC.so-net.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-224-132.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-224-132.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wftl [n=mgagne@CPE00045a5aa82b-CM00159a417d3c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] Hello all. Can anyone confirm (or deny) whether xchat is part of Dapper? [02:09] It was there, now it's not, and my latest update seems to have reinstalled it. [02:09] xchat-gnome is in main; xchat is in universe [02:09] xchat | 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 | dapper/universe | source, amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [02:10] all I know is that dapper tried to install some pice of crap gnome-xchat or something [02:10] xchat-gnome | 0.11-0ubuntu5 | dapper | source, amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [02:10] xchat-gnome is the sux0r. [02:10] Well, I guess that answers that [ insert appropriate smiley here ] [02:10] lamont: xchat-gnome hasn't built on hppa :p [02:10] Thanks, all. [02:11] Keybuk: but did it fail, or just not get there yet? [02:11] chroot fuckage [02:11] Errors were encountered while processing: [02:11] /home/buildd/build-194542-91420/chroot-autobuild/var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_7.0.0-0ubuntu43_hppa.deb [02:11] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [02:11] dpkg: error processing /home/buildd/build-194542-91420/chroot-autobuild/var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_7.0.0-0ubuntu43_hppa.deb (--unpack): [02:11] subprocess pre-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault) === _jdong [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.177.225.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.147.146] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] score [02:31] Keybuk: yeah - said buildd needs to be whacked upside the head... will poke infinity [02:34] are all arches now available on the primary mirrors? [02:35] Kamion: kde ubiquity good to merge when you can [02:36] jcole: no [02:36] well, depending on what you mean by that questions [02:36] s/s$// === lamont takes it to the other channel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@12.37.188.67] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] Howdy [02:57] hey [02:57] Heya zul [02:57] Thanks for uploading that [02:59] no probs === aigarius_ [n=aigarius@201.160.19.41.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486EC89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:30] man, this is weird [03:31] i sat here and watched this damn thing netinstall an entire ubuntu, now it's removing everything it just installed... wtf? [03:31] removing file-roller, removing gedit, etc. [03:32] ---> http://jcole.org/removing.png [03:33] netinstall === nekohayo [n=jeff@ip216-239-83-222.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcole [n=jcole@palrel2.hp.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === AlinuxSOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-96-240.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.190.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@12.37.188.67] has joined #ubuntu-devel === benh [n=benh@bh02i525f01.au.ibm.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LucasArruda [n=llbra@BHE200139180154.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LucasArruda [n=llbra@BHE200139180154.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:56] jdub: ping === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:57] whiprush: ! [04:57] hi jerome [04:58] what's up dude? i just watch the pistons get creamed [04:58] s/watch/watched [04:58] harsh [04:58] jsgotangco: how are things in your hemisphere? bringing the wealth of ubuntu as usual? [04:59] ive been busy at work, but preparing as part of the organizers for a local conference as well in august [05:00] i'll be at paris too if things go as planned [05:00] I think the ubuntu release party/flickr thing this year will be totally bomb. [05:00] hey jsgotangco, whiprush [05:01] hey aj [05:01] hey ajmitch [05:02] bomb as in "da bomb" or bomb as in "bombed in the box office" :-) [05:02] da bomb dude. [05:02] :-) [05:02] always da bomb. === doko [n=doko@201.160.17.131.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] jsgotangco: I am making the dapperreleaseparty page now. [05:06] time to light this candle. [05:12] SHouldn't that be "time to light this fuse" ;-) [05:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseParty [05:19] there we go guys. [05:23] woo hooo [05:25] whiprush: dupe, there's DapperReleaseParties page too [05:28] jsgotangco: ouch, how out of touch I am. === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@201.160.17.131.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@201.160.17.131.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxSOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-176-90-22.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === benh [n=benh@bh02i525f01.au.ibm.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-82-247.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AnThOnYhO [n=anthonyh@218.104.250.227] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^_ [n=j@e178028069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reda_ea [n=reda@adsl196-106-64-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reda_ea [n=reda@adsl196-106-64-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@c149055.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@83.131.253.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] Good morning [08:12] good morning pitti [08:12] morning [08:13] mornin' [08:13] hi [08:15] hi jsgotangco, moin Keybuk [08:15] ajmitch: hello! === jinty [n=jinty@212.Red-83-54-75.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] morning [08:43] pitti: ping [08:44] hey siretart [08:44] huhu pitti [08:44] pitti: could you please have a short look at http://librarian.launchpad.net/2652545/buildlog_ubuntu-dapper-i386.fai-kernels_1.10.3ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [08:44] pitti: it ftbfs because of a strange error of pkgstriptranslations [08:45] I have no clue what it is talking about: pkgstriptranslations: inconsistent /CurrentlyBuilding file, Package: value is fai-kernels (should be kernel-source-2.6.15.6-ubuntu1-fai-kernels) [08:46] ouch, that sounds like a buildd bug === pitti looks [08:46] to whom should I talk about this problem? [08:46] siretart: erm, wait - the real source package name is fai-kernels? [08:47] yes [08:47] siretart: does it build a source package within a source package? I. e. tries to call dpkg-buildpackage within the build process? === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B2394.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] pitti: yes. it distributes a binary package made with make-kpkg in the binary package [08:48] siretart: ah, that explains it [08:48] that's what the build is basically doing [08:48] siretart: please do 'export NO_PKG_MANGLE=1' before building sub-packages [08:48] good morning [08:48] pitti: at the top of debian/rules, I assume? [08:48] morning dholbach! [08:48] mornin' dholbach [08:49] siretart: Not for the whole package, only for the sub-package build. [08:49] siretart: well, preferably just for the sub-build [08:49] hi infinity [08:49] siretart: (Though, if your package has no translations anyway, it probably doesn't make a difference) [08:50] infinity: the sub package build is started via make-kpkg! [08:50] siretart: So, "NO_PKG_MANGLE=1 make-kpkg blah blah" [08:50] make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --append-to-version -fai-kernels --revision $(REVISION) kernel-image [08:50] infinity: it might make one once pkgmangler also does Maintainer field tricks, right? [08:50] allright. will do [08:50] what part of the build gets influenced by NO_PKG_MANGLE [08:50] hey siretart, hey pygi [08:50] and why doesn't this happen on my local machine? [08:51] morning all [08:51] pitti: True, though I expect I'll want to make the "search for debian/changelog" a bit more robust so we can mangle the maintainer field in sub-packages too.. [08:51] pitti: Especially for cases like this one. [08:51] siretart: you don't have pkgstriptranslations installed [08:51] siretart: and you don't have the buildd black magic with the /CurrentlyBuilding file [08:52] ok. so like I assumed: there IS black magic going on there.. :) [08:52] It's not so much black magic as "oh god, get it off me, eww" hackery. [08:53] aah, and this NO_PKG_MANGLE shortcircuts pkgstripstramslations for the inner build, no? [08:53] Right. [08:53] name "NO_PKG_MANGLE" instead of "NO_PKG_STRIP" for the eventual case where we expect this thing to do more mangling. [08:53] Though, perhaps we might want one variable for each, now that I think about it. [08:53] Feh. === infinity shrugs. [08:54] Hacks upon hacks make the baby jesus cry. [08:54] :) [08:54] hey infinity [08:55] Bonjour, Monsieur Holbach. [08:56] pitti: Any urge to take a quick look at bug #44267 for me? [08:56] Malone bug 44267 in evms "Can't create EVMS volumes with 'n' in the name" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44267 [08:57] wow, that looks funny [08:57] not that I *ever* had used evms... [08:57] infinity: Comment a va? [08:57] pitti: No, but you applied the evil GTK2 patch, which may be the cause here (different hotkey handling, maybe?) [08:58] dholbach: Comme ci, comme ca. Vous? [08:58] ah, right [08:58] infinity: well, since we're stuck with gtk1.2 in main anyway, I can as well revert it [08:59] (seems like the safest option right now?) [08:59] infinity: Merci beaucoup, a va bien, je suis un peut fatigu [09:01] it's nice to see some french around here :) [09:01] pitti: Assuming that's the cause of the bug, yeah. I didn't investigate it much, was just going through evms bugs as part my initramfs triage. [09:01] robitaille: #ubuntu-desktop replaced #ubuntuf-fr [09:01] robitaille: :-p [09:02] robitaille: I should just start speaking norwegian in here and hope people'll understand too, I guess. [09:02] Mithrandir: fire away! :) [09:03] pitti: I can give it a shot, if you'd like. [09:03] dholbach: ok, da begynner jeg snakke norsk. :-) [09:03] Mithrandir: that'd be nice! I'm just trying to reproduce it [09:03] Mithrandir: Mach ruhig weiter - ich glaub ich versteh etwas. :-p [09:03] Mithrandir: for me it stops at the 'c', but same effect [09:04] dholbach: jeg forstr tysk snn halvgreit, s det gr fint. :-) [09:04] Ok, I stop understanding :-) [09:04] dholbach: "I understand German decent-ish, so that's ok". :-) [09:04] haha :) [09:05] There's a norsk word for "decent-ish"? :) [09:05] infinity: half-decent, actually, but yes. [09:06] dholbach: bore da, shwd ych chi bore 'ma? [09:06] infinity: shall I care for the tbird 1.5.0.2 update? === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@213.208.70.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] infinity: we tend to just slam words together to make new words. [09:06] pitti: I've half rescued it from my old drive. It seems mostly good to go. [09:06] pitti: I just want to fix up the branding before Thursday, s'all. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] pitti: ok, evms bug reproduced. [09:06] infinity: oh, cool [09:07] pitti: (And am prioritising rescuing/rewriting initramfs changes first, so mdz doesn't kill me) [09:07] I don't like death. [09:07] understandable :) [09:07] infinity: yeah, whatever happened to that? :p [09:11] i just installed kubuntu from scratch and the time/date is wrong [09:11] i chose the correct timezone === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] hendry: Hardware clock in localtime instead of UTC? [09:16] hendry: I think Kamion just uploaded some fixes for that. === mdz [n=mdz@201.160.20.136.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:19] mdz: you're not supposed to come onto IRC drunk [09:19] hi mdz [09:19] Keybuk; interesting usplash release.... [09:19] Keybuk: my client automatically reconnects when I get near a network [09:19] desrt: which one? I didn't do anything interesting [09:20] I just put the image back to the old one until we get a better new one [09:20] refering mostly to the rationale behind the release [09:20] oh, heh, I was grumpy :0 [09:20] :) [09:20] you try spending an entire weekend explaining that "640x400 in 4:3 aspect ratio" does not mean "do it in 640x480 then rescale it" [09:21] where's his proposed screen? [09:21] infinity: `hwclock` reads 01:20 KST [09:21] we don't have on at the moment [09:21] ah. it sounded like he sent you one [09:22] infinity: which is wrong. wrong for utc and locatime [09:22] oh, I got several in my inbox, they're all ... unsuitable [09:22] what's the deal with the text thing anyway? [09:22] "text thing" ? [09:22] why is it that it absolutely must stay for dapper? [09:23] (i was trying to defend this point to a friend, but realised that i don't really have any solid reasons to defend it) [09:23] because we rely on it being there for a few things [09:23] e.g. "you can now eject the live cd" :p [09:23] desrt: At this point, there's no point in defending it at all, except to say "that's the way it is, we're hard freezing in 2 days for release candidates, cope" [09:23] 2 days holy crap [09:23] desrt: Yes, we could run around changing things that rely on it as-is, but we have real bugs to fix. [09:24] I thought it was 3 days [09:24] "we have real bugs to fix" is a very valid excuse at this point in the release [09:24] Keybuk: Depends on your timezone. [09:24] infinity: fair point === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] though I wouldn't like to hazard a guess with my timezone [09:25] Keybuk: hmm? Casper displays that message on a text console if you don't run usplash. [09:25] pitti: would it be to late to create mozilla-firefox-locale-hr? [09:25] ivoks: no, if you have a working xpi, I can add it [09:25] Mithrandir: right, the proposal is to run usplash and comment out the text code though [09:25] pitti: ok, thanx [09:25] ivoks: oh dear, I *just* uploaded a new orig.tar.gz for m-f-locale-all :/ [09:25] Mithrandir: Right, but it doesn't magically display it if you're running a usplash with no text output. :) [09:25] so casper would be displaying the message on a console hidden by a usplash that's just displaying pretty graphics [09:25] Keybuk: oh, that'll break spectacularly. [09:25] pitti: i saw :) [09:27] Source and binary promotions to main [09:27] ------------------------------------ [09:27] o bzr: bzr [09:27] [Reverse-Depends: Dapper ship seed] [09:27] heh [09:27] finally :) [09:27] oh, in ship? === Keybuk sees no MIR [09:27] Keybuk; do you vendorpatch vim _at all_? [09:27] desrt: do I personally? [09:27] for ubuntu [09:27] Keybuk: do we need one? === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] I suspect it's quite heavily patched. [09:28] I wouldn't like to hazard a guess about Ubuntu, except "probably" [09:28] it's got like 1,000 patches in its source tree [09:28] Mithrandir: *shrug* dunno [09:28] mdz: do we? :p [09:28] oh. i though you packaged it [09:28] nm [09:28] desrt: I'm an emacs man! [09:28] it's a pretty pathologic case - in-house project and we all use it anyway [09:28] uh. you're guilty :p [09:28] source is last-changed by you and you own the launchpad product :p [09:29] desrt: Yes, vim is heavily patched. [09:29] (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~/vim/vim-6.4$ ls -1 patches/ | wc -l [09:29] 54 [09:29] desrt: I own lots of launchpad products by virtue that I was once in the team that registered products in launchpad [09:29] most of the vim patches are grabbed from upstream, iirc. [09:29] here's a nice new patch https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/44431 [09:29] Malone bug 44431 in vim "vim autoindent + :set bs=0 + ctrl+u is broken" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [09:31] Kamion: what do you think? do we need an MIR for bzr, bzrtools, celementtree, paramiko ? [09:33] Keybuk: I just think this stuff does not really belong into ship... [09:33] pitti: where would you put it, then? [09:33] well, supported === infinity is fine with ship or supported, nothing higher. [09:33] but putting it onto the CDs would just be a waste of space... [09:33] Will it blow out the CDs that much if it's in ship? [09:33] pitti: If I were to argue, I'd say desktop since we want to ship a development environment in -desktop already. [09:34] Mithrandir: we don't, we don't even have gcc [09:34] we have python-* though [09:34] (and bzr is more useful than, say, bicyclerepair [09:34] pitti: We ship a python devel environment. Have you not been here for the last 300 flamewars? :) [09:34] ) === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] :-P [09:34] infinity: we ship python modules, but does that already count as DE? === mvo [n=egon@p54A64B68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] pitti: It does when nothing depends on them. [09:35] pitti: We're clearly shipping them so people can program against them, not because anything in -desktop needs them. === Keybuk decides to ignore bzr for a while ;) [09:37] ok, it would add less than 1 MB, but still... === pitti decides to not care enough to start a serious discussion and shuts up === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] nobody proposed bzrk === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:44] seb128: hi, are you planning evince 0.5.3 for dapper? [09:44] janimo: I didn't even know there was a 0.5.3 [09:44] janimo: I'm just starting working, didn't read my mails from the night yet [09:45] if anyone cares to ack my vim patch i'd be happy to roll the new version of the package.... [09:45] Keybuk: does it work again? [09:45] dholbach: apparently [09:45] ROCK ON [09:45] seb128: ok, so there is a release :). If you plan it for dapper I'll update the gtk patch too, that's why I asked [09:45] janimo: I'll upload if that's a GNOME 2.14.n material === dholbach hugs Keybuk === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] janimo: GNOME 2.15.2 due this week so will need to check what they did [09:46] dholbach: hug ddaa, not me [09:46] he maintains it these days === alkove [n=alkove@group-erlon.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] seb128: don;t know what evince's relationship with gnome 2.14 [09:46] ah, I didn't know [09:46] they dep on gtk 2.8 now [09:46] seb128: anyway I'll just wait and see what you do [09:46] janimo: that is not an issue === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] bedtime. nite everyone. [09:48] desrt: I just uploaded a new ubuntulooks, number of dots for panel grip has been set to 6 [09:48] desrt: 'night [09:48] seb128; oo. sexy :) === desrt out. [09:49] seb128, I'll need to talk to you later about google calendar Evo plugin [09:49] pygi: if you want [09:49] janimo: looks GNOME 2.15 material that evince === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.190.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] seb128: ok then [09:49] janimo: " * GOption port and po/LINGUAS work" that might require intltool 0.35 for po/LINGUAS work [09:51] might be the same for gnome-mag === dholbach tries [09:51] http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0605/iss2_sts114_big.jpg [09:51] ^ that is damned pretty [09:51] dholbach: if you do an update make sure than .po are shipped and .mo installed [09:52] seb128: yep [09:52] seb128: configure: error: Your intltool is too old. You need intltool 0.35.0 or later. You're right ;) [09:53] seb128: looks good. [09:56] Keybuk: 'gloomy outlook: the revenge'? [09:56] pitti: ok, evms bug fixed and uploaded. [09:56] Mithrandir: rock! === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!] [09:57] pitti: not putting GDK_MOD1_MASK when adding accellerators is a bad idea. :-P [09:57] lol [09:57] Mithrandir: that was a bug in the gtk2 patch? [09:57] yup [09:57] http://err.no/patches/evms_gtk2_dont_grab_random_keys.diff is the patch [09:58] also, s/accellerator/accelerator/ === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] TheMuso: gnome-mag is still not happy with xtest/xdamage/xfixes on nvidia (orwherever the problem is) [10:02] dholbach: Right. I haven't tried it again recently. [10:02] TheMuso: seems like stuff for edgy to explore :) [10:02] And as I don't have any nvidia hardware, it makes it a little difficult for me to try and reproduce. [10:02] I was able to reproduce on ati as well. [10:02] dholbach: gnome-mag not installed by default? [10:02] dholbach: Well there is the new magnifier being discussed on ubuntu-accessibility@ [10:02] hmmm. [10:03] I must try it again. [10:03] Keybuk: It is, it's just not in the menu. [10:03] Keybuk: gnome-mag is supposed to work with XDamage/XFixes libraries for smoother rendering, but dholbach seems to have problems using it with them enabled. [10:03] Keybuk: you can enable it in gnome-at-properties [10:04] dholbach: I couldn't find a binary by pressing tab :) [10:04] Keybuk: /usr/bin/magnifier :) [10:04] that just sits there doing nothing [10:04] you might have to restart session with a11y enabled [10:04] Magnifier is a back-end for other front-end apps, like gnopernicus. [10:05] meh [10:05] will play with that later then [10:05] even if just to confirm it doesn't work on nvidia [10:06] Keybuk: I didn't enable the xtest/xdamage/xfixes stuff in the current build because of that brekage [10:07] infinity is going to break nvidia anyway [10:07] if he gets around to it ;) [10:07] Hey now. [10:07] I don't plan to break anything. [10:08] you never /plan/ to, mate ;-) [10:08] Well, what you plan and what takes place ain't ever exactly been similar. === vuntz__ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] Keybuk: Pot, kettle. [10:08] Keybuk: I don't think bzr really needs one (since it's Canonical-produced software), but I'd like pitti to look over bzrtools, celementtree, paramiko for sanity [10:09] pitti: could you look over those, then [10:09] yep, added to my todo list [10:09] dholbach: I am going to rebuild with the patch included and see what happens on the 4 machines I have here... Three are ATI, one is a matrox. [10:09] TheMuso: ok, uploaded gnome-mag 0.12.5 [10:10] dholbach: You're a champ. Thanks heaps. [10:10] TheMuso: thanks :-) === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir hugs dholbach [10:10] TheMuso: let's see how orca works with it === dholbach hugs Mithrandir back [10:21] presumably it's known that getting an ip address with dhcp isn't updating /etc/resolv.conf? I've just realised that this is the cause of all my problems [10:21] mdke: It does for me.. [10:21] mdke: Do you have the (vile) "resolvconf" package installed? [10:22] infinity: it's marked as "un" [10:22] I'm so going to change the resolvconf description to "Install this package to break your computer" === infinity ponders what else could break dhclient's resolv.conf handling. [10:22] i talked my brother through dist-upgrading to dapper from a default breezy install over the phone, and he had this problem [10:22] and I just noticed it on my computer this morning [10:23] infinity: dhclient's resolv.conf handling is ultra-brittle [10:23] being done in a complicated shell script that's a conffile [10:23] for example [10:23] do you want a bug report? === infinity looks at his shell and realises he's successfully managed to confuse himself. [10:23] Oh, POSIX, why do you mock me? [10:26] JaneW SoC mentors: I will try to mail later (but our mail is down again here...) please can you look at finalising the application review, ranking and make your selections for mentoring by COB tomorrow (wed 17 May). [10:27] JaneW: a few hundred applications for you to read through? :) [10:28] ajmitch: 240 or so... [10:28] not so bad [10:28] ajmitch, I've done that already :P 3 times :) [10:28] ajmitch: this year the mentors get to make the selections :P [10:28] wonderful [10:29] Mentors: see this ML thread for more info on timings and selection requirements http://groups.google.com/group/Summer-Administrators-2006/browse_frm/thread/74d7f5262a3cb013/05d64e764e7872a1#05d64e764e7872a1 [10:29] ack [10:29] infinity: are you *sure* it's updating resolv.conf? you don't just have your old one? [10:29] heh great im not on the list [10:30] mdke: I can verfiy that pretty quickly. [10:30] infinity: thanks [10:30] infinity: have you got the results of the universe autobuild test you did? [10:31] ajmitch: Will you be around for a few hours to bug me again? [10:31] yep [10:31] pitti, poke? [10:31] mdke: Confirmed, it's updating just fine. [10:32]