[06:11] <Madpilot> busy place here tonight... ;)
[06:12] <robotgeek> Madpilot: BANG!
[06:13] <Laser_away> Madpilot: rocking!
[07:55] <crimsun> ok, for Edgy we need to trawl these man pages. I hate that most of them have few, if any, good examples.
[07:56] <dsas> crimsun: A good place to start would be to just grep through them for "debian",  you'll get a load of skeletal man pages that are barely a page long. 
[07:57] <Madpilot> the thought of having to tackle a distro's worth of man pages + our regular docs is a bit much ;)
[07:58] <crimsun> dsas: yeah, I'm thinking of starting with the easier ones, like gst-launch-0.10
[07:58] <crimsun> (heh, I nearly typed gst-launchpad-0.10)
[08:02] <Madpilot> crimsun, might want to file launchpad bugs against the packages you want to change - that might make getting in touch with packagers & maintainers easier
[08:03] <crimsun> Madpilot: well, once I find time to play with gst-launch, I'll flesh out the man page more and send it upstream
[08:03] <Madpilot> gst-launch makes me think of taxes - we've got a "Goods & Services Tax" in Canada - what does it actually do? :)
[08:04] <crimsun> it's a nice cli tool for using gstreamer
[08:04] <crimsun> I use it for audio, mainly 
[08:08] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: actually the man pages thing has been a long long goal before
[08:09] <Madpilot> ah
[08:09] <jsgotangco> there are a few manuals of apps in main that are "uncatalogued" in scrollkeeper
[08:09] <Madpilot> don't forget that Edgy is going to be a very short cycle for release, though
[08:10] <crimsun> yeah, but I won't be spending 90% of my time doing ALSA fixes =)
[08:11] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:49] <poningru> I had a question about java
[02:43] <jjesse> morning everyone :)
[02:43] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:44] <jjesse> evening for you :)
[05:58] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[09:09] <mdke> crimsun: how does one change the default sound card for system sounds if there is more than one?
[09:10] <crimsun> mdke: for GNOME, System> Preferences> Sound> Set default sound card's pull-down menu
[09:10] <mdke> crimsun: I had my brother on the phone, he says that he tried that and it didn't remember the setting
[09:11] <crimsun> mdke: yeah, that's a known bug
[09:11] <mdke> crimsun: great, cheers
[09:12] <crimsun> mdke: a workaround is to use asoundconf directly
[09:12] <crimsun> mdke: since the Sound capplet calls asoundconf for its backend work
[09:13] <mdke> crimsun: lovely, thanks.
[09:13] <crimsun> mdke: ``asoundconf list''  returns the canonical string names; use ``asoundconf set-default-card CARD'' to set it
[09:14] <trappist> <3 asoundconf list
[09:14] <crimsun> trappist: ^5
[09:14] <trappist> :)
[09:14] <mdke> crimsun: gottit thanks
[09:17] <dsas> LaserJock: ping
[09:23] <LaserJock> dsas: yeah?
[09:25] <dsas> You commited r3034 on behalf of someone, and it said "firefox has auto-update which gets you latest security updates". or something similar. Ubuntu ships with firefox updates turned off.
[09:26] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:26] <dsas> I mean, presumably it can be turned back on, but it isn't like that out of the box...
[09:26] <LaserJock> ok, thanks for pointing that out
[09:27] <dsas> no probs. I didn't know who Phil was to inform him directly.
[09:30] <dsas> s/Phil/Pete
[09:30] <LaserJock> cbx33 over in #edubuntu :-)
[09:32] <LaserJock> hmm, but it does have an update manager. should I just take the "automatic" part out?
[09:42] <dsas> uhm, yeah. The auto-updater *does work* for extensions, but not for firefox core without messing around with about:config (I think)
[09:43] <LaserJock> so just getting rid of "automatic" should work
[09:44] <dsas> I think that'll be fine yes. I was just imagining users getting mislead...
[09:44] <LaserJock> yeah, we don't want to mislead users, but we do want to tell them the good parts :-)
[09:46] <dsas> yeah, there's a line to be walked :)
[09:48] <mdke> LaserJock: actually last time I checked they were actually disabled
[09:49] <mdke> so updates are done through system updates
[09:49] <mdke> maybe it's changed
[09:49] <LaserJock> ah
[09:49] <LaserJock> fine
[09:49] <mdke> yeah "Check for updates" is greyed out
[09:49] <LaserJock> naughty Ubuntu devs ;-)
[09:50] <mdke> well, I think it didn't work
[09:50] <dsas> Not unless you ran firefox as root
[09:50] <mdke> ah
[09:50] <dsas> which for all intents and purposes is the same as it not working. I'd forgot about that.
[09:51] <LaserJock> ok, I took the whole sentence out
[09:53] <mdke> just say "firefox sucks, install epiphany"
[09:53] <dsas> mdke: +1
[09:56] <LaserJock> lol, I'd be more inclined to reverse that  ;-)
[09:57] <LaserJock> epiphany has never really appealed to me, probably because I use firefox so much on Windows
[09:59] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I found it a bit of a switch and now I can;t stand fF
[09:59] <LaserJock> cool, unfortunately my most used browser is currently Safari :/
[10:01] <dsas> Firefox's menus scare me now.
[10:01] <LaserJock> why would you use the menus?
[10:02] <mdke> firefox's preferences look like they were designed by some kid
[10:02] <mdke> a particularly untalented kid
[10:02] <dsas> I don't very often, but they're all so long and full of stuff. And the prefs menus are going backwards.
[10:02] <LaserJock> hmm
[10:04] <Lysander-> Hey..would anybody be able to help me? (:
[10:05] <Burgwork> Lysander-, this is a documentation team channel but what sort of help are you looking for>
[10:06] <Lysander-> Oh, sorry. I thought it was a channel to discuss problems. (:
[10:06] <Burgwork> Lysander-, that would be #ubuntu, or #ubuntu+1 for dapper
[10:06] <Lysander-> Ah, okay. Thanks!
[10:06] <Burgwork> np
[10:42] <mdke> robotgeek: that problem with slow building seems to only happen on KDG
[10:45] <mdke> oh no, with all the books under kubuntu
[10:47] <mdke> ah, got im