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Whoopiesorry, only saw the debian directory, and believed it's always the same. thanks!12:04
Whoopiecan you upload it?12:04
crimsunWhoopie: no, I don't have main upload privileges, else I would have uploaded it already.12:07
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WhoopieHi zul!12:16
WhoopieYour mail-notification package failed build. :(12:17
dholbachgood night fellas12:17
crimsun'night daniel12:18
Whoopienight12:18
dholbachNIght other-Daniel :)12:18
ajmitchmorning all12:21
zulmorning ajmitch12:21
zulyeehaw my first upload to main was accepted12:21
ajmitchsweet12:21
pygizul, congrats :)12:21
zulthanks12:21
ajmitchpygi: why do you want a newer monodevelop at this late stage?12:22
pygiajmitch, hm, just to have it? It doesnt matter actually...12:22
ajmitchoh dear12:23
pygiajmitch, :P12:23
ajmitchwe don't file UVF exceptions 'just to have it'12:23
pygiyes, yes, this fixes several bugs :)12:23
ajmitch16 days out from release...12:24
zulyeah dont want to break anything12:24
pygiyes, as I said.. doesn't matter...12:24
pygi*bla*12:24
=== ajmitch closes a few bugs
ajmitchok, still got 3 or so unmet deps for zope*12:28
ajmitch1 more upload should fix them12:28
sivangajmitch: do you have any idea about the zope source distribution ?12:28
sivang(and on a related note, we do not provide zope3 distro in the archive, right?)12:29
ajmitchsivang: explain12:29
ajmitchwe have zope2.7, zope2.9, and zope3 in the archive12:30
ajmitchsorry, 2.8, not 2.712:30
ajmitch     zope3 | 3.2.1-1ubuntu1 | http://apt-proxy dapper/main Packages12:30
sivangah, we have 3? produce from which upstream tarball ?12:30
sivangah okay :)12:30
ajmitchhm, 10317 bugs open, 16 days to go12:33
ajmitchthink we can get it down? :)12:33
zuljust a tad12:33
zulespecially #112:33
sivangajmitch: okay, cool, so I grabbed 3.2.1 source distribution, to install it in a --prefix (I don't want to use the package and install system wide)12:34
ajmitchsivang: why not?12:34
sivangajmitch: but when trying to ./configure , it won't build with python2.4.3 , it wants max 2.4.212:34
ajmitchwhat's wrong with just setting up a zope3 instance?12:34
sivangajmitch: I'd like to kno how to work with it from source, and to know about the setup needed as the package does it :)12:35
sivang(thinks zope-from-scratch ;-)12:35
ajmitchdoing zope from scratch is only about a 5 minute task, not much is learnt :)12:35
=== ajmitch regularly does it on non-debian/ubuntu machines
ajmitchI doubt we'll get zope 3.3 beta 1 in dapper :)12:37
sivangajmitch: so, how do you overcome this stop with the configure script?12:37
sivangajmitch: (if the system you are installing has a higher python version > 2.4.2)12:38
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ajmitchsince debian/rules does appear to pass a --force flag to configure12:41
ajmitch& it compiles just fine12:41
sivangajmitch: interesting, I tried that already to the source distro. I wll retry. thanks for checking :)12:41
sivang(and sorry for bugging)12:41
ajmitchyep, package built locally12:41
sivangajmitch: (in which case the configure just says the python versio it found and ends abruptly without any error messages)12:42
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ajmitchdebian/rules has --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.4 --force12:42
sivangajmitch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1409612:46
ajmitchand?12:47
ajmitchthere's no error there12:47
sivangajmitch: yes, there is no error12:47
ajmitchso what's the problem? :)12:48
sivangajmitch: hhm, stupid me - could it have finished in a mere second? :)12:48
ajmitchyes12:48
sivangoh god12:48
sivangI am DUMB12:48
ajmitchzope's configure is fairly short12:48
sivangalso, I've found:12:48
sivang# Place the optimal target version number (as returned by sys.version)12:49
sivang# below12:49
sivangTARGET="2.4.2"12:49
sivang;-)12:49
sivanginside the configure script12:49
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TheMusoUVFs are filed in malone now are they not? Just saw something on the wiki about sending to the MOTU list, but I haven't seen any there for a while.01:16
crimsunyes, on Malone01:19
TheMusocrimsun: Thanks.01:19
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TheMusoc02:34
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bddebianHeya gang02:57
ajmitchhi03:01
bddebianHeya ajmitch03:08
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bddebianMan, where the heck is everyone?03:23
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bddebianplotting?03:24
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ajmitchyes03:28
ajmitchpolitical overthrows & the like03:28
bddebianAh, nice :-)03:28
DarkMageZajmitch, :P you should be working to overthrow telecom!03:29
ajmitchmore like sack & burn03:29
DarkMageZif new zealand would just get rid of telecom, i'd probley move back03:30
ajmitchwell they've moved in the last few weeks03:30
ajmitchlocal-loop unbundling is on the table03:31
DarkMageZoh?03:31
DarkMageZabout time!03:31
ajmitchyeah03:31
ajmitchof course the document was leaked to telecom the day that cabinet signed off on it03:31
ajmitchbut it's the most we've seen from the government in a long time03:31
ajmitchwhere are you now?03:32
DarkMageZaustralia03:32
ajmitchfigures03:32
DarkMageZsure, telstra is evil, but they have competition with the guts to fight telstra (telstra is australia's version of telecom)03:33
=== ajmitch knows about telstra :)
DarkMageZtelstra newzealand is hypocritical, if we consider telstra nz & telstra au as one03:34
DarkMageZanyways, if australia starts going like america is, i suppose i'll move back03:35
bddebianOh yeah and how is that?03:38
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bddebianFrickin' stupid hotel wireless03:50
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Laser_awaybddebian: where is the unmet deps list?06:19
bddebianLaser_away: Give me a sec06:20
bddebianLaser_away: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=UNMETDEPS&search=Search06:20
Laser_awaybddebian: when did you get in trouble for subscribing ubuntu-archive to get rid of a package?06:22
bddebianLaserJock: Kamion gave me a hard time for a couple but I am doing it now anyway :-)06:24
LaserJockewb* need to go06:25
LaserJockthey are apt-get.org imports that have been bugging me for some time06:25
LaserJockheck, unmetdeps are in the bag. I thought there was way more to do06:26
LaserJocka good FTBFS list would be nice though06:27
bddebianYeah but I'm not sure how to generate a list now that the build logs are on LP?06:30
bddebianAnyway, I better get to bed.  Catch you later man06:30
LaserJockcya bddebian06:30
Mithrandirhttps://launchpad.net/+builds/yellow?build_state=failed&build_text= at least gives you a list of failed amd64 builds.06:35
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LaserJockMithrandir: hmm, that is interesting06:45
ajmitchinfinity promised us a list of them, I'll ping him about it06:47
LaserJockajmitch: yeah, that would be great, especially since I'm not the one doing it :-)06:51
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Gloubiboulgahi MOTU world07:30
ajmitchhi07:30
Gloubiboulgahello ajmitch :)07:31
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Hobbseehi everyone07:46
crimsunhullo Hobbsee07:47
freeflyinghi Hobbsee  crimsun07:52
Hobbseehi freeflying and crimsun07:52
crimsunhi freeflying07:52
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Hobbseenasty StevenK!08:01
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Hobbseerepeatedly.08:01
StevenKI'm not nasty, just misunderstood.08:01
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crimsunrepeatedly? ouch.08:02
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Hobbseehehe08:02
Hobbseemisunderstood hey?08:02
StevenKYeah, duh. :-P08:03
Toadstoolhi everybody08:09
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Hobbseehi Toadstool08:14
Toadstoolhey Hobbsee08:14
ajmitchhello08:15
Hobbseehi ajmitch08:15
Toadstoolhi ajmitch08:17
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seth|lappyHobbsee, school is finally over for me :)08:35
Hobbseeseth|lappy: yay!08:35
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dholbachgood morning08:48
Hobbseehi dholbach08:50
dholbachhey Hobbsee08:50
sivangmorning all08:50
Toadstoolhi dholbach sivang08:51
Hobbseehi sivang08:51
sivanghey Hobbsee , Toadstool08:52
dholbachhey Toadstool08:53
Mithrandirmorning dudes and dudettes.09:05
Hobbseehi Mitt09:05
Hobbseehi Mithrandir09:06
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crimsun-devel has turned into rosetta temporarily ;-)09:06
Toadstool:)09:07
sivangcrimsun: heh09:14
sivangthat's what's nice about ubuntu channels , they switch hats all the time09:15
crimsun:-)09:15
Mithrandiralmost like UDs too.09:19
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sivangMithrandir: UDs ?09:21
MithrandirUbuntu Developers09:21
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crimsunhmm, ~2 1/2 days. That's a /lot/ of coffee. :-)09:26
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phanatichi people10:00
Sp4rKyhi10:00
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sivangMithrandir: ah, right :)10:12
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zakamehi all10:51
Sp4rKyhi10:52
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zakamehi Sp4rKy what's up?10:53
Sp4rKynothing about me :)10:53
phanatichey zakame10:54
zakameheya phanatic10:55
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ajmitchhm, only 32G free on /usr/local01:39
ajmitchnot bad01:39
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Lathiatomg, hitting eject unmounts my cd drives now02:12
Lathiatwoo02:12
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zulheylo02:13
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Hobbseehi StevenK02:28
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StevenKAwww. Whyfor?02:28
Hobbseedunno02:28
Hobbseemmm...a CC meeting at a sane time...wow02:29
StevenKHeh.02:29
StevenKYou're not sick?02:29
Hobbseejust been coughing all night - and acting as the tickle monster :P02:29
Hobbseei doubt it02:29
ajmitchhi Hobbsee, StevenK02:38
Hobbseehi ajmitch :)02:38
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StevenKDoes anyone know how to input unicode into Gnome Terminal?02:38
StevenKThe help for it being slightly next to useless.02:39
tuxmaniacStevenK: Just go to Terminal menu and set character encoding :)02:39
StevenKWhich is set to UTF-802:40
StevenKI suspect the problem is that I need to know what my Compose key is.02:40
tuxmaniacStevenK: Add or Remove Encoding -> You find Unicode!02:41
StevenKOkay, let me redefine the question.02:41
StevenKHow do I type accented characters into Gnome Terminal?02:42
tuxmaniacHi all.. Somehow my brains did not work while installing Dapper. IWhen it asked for whether the system clock is set to UTC I pressed Yes. Now everytime I login it is showing 5.5 hours ahead as my time zone is Asia/Calcutta!!! How do I rectify this problem ?? :((02:42
jamessanStevenK: if you know the numeric value of the character, I think you can use "ctrl+shift+<number>" to enter it.02:44
ajmitchnight all02:45
=== StevenK wonders how to look it up/what the easier way is.
tuxmaniacStevenK: www.lookuptables.com/02:46
jamessanStevenK: the easier way is to have a compose key ;) or maybe use gucharmap02:49
StevenKI probably do have a Compose key. It's knowing which key it is.02:49
tuxmaniacjamessan: ++02:49
jamessanI don't have a compose key setup either, so I generally use Vim and then copy/paste it02:50
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tonahow do i setup vnc to accept connections only on 127.0.0.1?03:50
KyralAnd the point of that would be?03:55
KyralIsn't the point of VNC to accept remote connections?03:55
Hobbseehi Kyral03:57
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tonaKyral: connect through a ssh tunnel, as vnc is highly insecure.04:10
Kyraltona: just use FreeNX04:11
tonaKyral: i use freenx too.04:11
Kyrali know of VNC's insecurity04:11
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tonaKyral: using it through a ssh tunnel is absolutely sufficient, it's just that i want to use its config files for this limitation, rather than limit it from the tcp wrappers.04:14
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Kyralspeaking of the Local Loopback04:16
KyralI got that ThinkGeek shirt that says "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" :D04:16
tona:))04:28
tonanice one04:28
Kyralalso the "Man Woman" one :P04:28
tonawhat about: "127.0.0.1, sweet 127.0.0.1!" ?04:29
KyralThey don't have that one04:29
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zakamehi all04:54
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KyralLong time no see farruinn07:42
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Kyraldamn Nethack07:45
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LaserJockcrimsun: ping?07:59
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crimsunLaserJock: pong, but in a meeting07:59
dholbachi'm going to file a bunch of mysqlclient bugs now07:59
Kyrallol07:59
dholbacha bunch of stuff needs rebuilding again libmysqlclient15off07:59
crimsunyay, transitions!07:59
LaserJockcrimsun: did you happen to look at rebuilding maxima using that other clisp?08:00
dholbachyoohooo! :)08:00
LaserJockcrimsun: if not should I just try it out?08:00
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crimsunLaserJock: I haven't, sorry, please do try it.08:00
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LaserJockcrimsun: ok, will do08:00
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dholbachok, done08:03
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | We are in feature freeze now. Focus on http://tinyurl.com/nl87h (MOTU bugs) and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DhIconCacheChanges and http://tinyurl.com/rjcqu (UNMETDEPS) and http://tinyurl.com/kbxpe
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | We are in feature freeze now. Focus on http://tinyurl.com/nl87h (MOTU bugs) and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DhIconCacheChanges and http://tinyurl.com/rjcqu (UNMETDEPS) and http://tinyurl.com/kbxpe (mysqlclient)
tsengdholbach: *hugs*08:06
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dholbachinfinity said they'd be *really* straightforward as the mysql api virtually never changes08:07
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tsengit all starts with k :)08:07
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dholbachand UNMETDEPS went good08:08
dholbach91 -> 2108:08
dholbachwell done08:08
LaserJockdo we have a FTBFS list yet?08:08
dholbachit's just that I have a new bunch of unmet deps on my box :-p08:08
dholbachLaserJock: i don't think so :/08:08
dholbachLaserJock: but until then, we can make sure the other stuff is sorted out08:08
dholbachand if the stuff we upload builds, we can be sure it's not on the FTBFS list :-p08:09
LaserJockajmitch said he was poking lifeless I think08:09
ograLaserJock, LP doent suffice ?08:09
ogra*doesnt08:09
dholbachogra: archive test rebuild08:09
LaserJockogra: how do we get a good list from that?08:09
ograhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+builds?build_state=failed&build_text=08:10
ograbut indeed you need to filter that for universe vs main08:10
ograand if its about the archive rebuild as dholbach said, i'm not sure that works via LP yet08:11
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LaserJockogra: are those all failed builds? what happens if we upload a fixed package, does it get removed from that list?08:11
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ograLaserJock, it should i think08:13
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LaserJockwe really could use some LP xmlrpc action going on,  I think08:18
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jeldhello all08:36
LaserJockhi jeld08:38
jeldLaserJock, hi08:38
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bddebianHeya gang08:43
tuxmaniacheya bddebian Long time no see!! Are you on trip?08:44
bddebianYeah, still in Atlanta08:44
tuxmaniachmm.. ok. /me hitting the bed08:44
tuxmaniacbye all!08:45
bddebianGnight tuxmaniac08:45
LaserJockbddebian! hi08:46
bddebianHeya LaserJock, what's new? :-)08:46
Specbddebian: wanna fix a bug?08:47
LaserJockbddebian: oh, I need to get my butt in gear at school. My advisor kind of looked at me like "08:48
LaserJock"what the heck have you been doing all day?"08:48
LaserJockwhen I had my weekly meeting with him :-)08:48
bddebianheh08:48
bddebianTell him FU, I'm busy with Ubuntu08:49
bddebian;-)08:49
LaserJockhmmm, no08:49
bddebianSpec: Can I? :-)08:49
LaserJockbddebian: but I need to get all productive before I tell him I'm going to Paris ;-)08:49
Specbddebian: nope, nevermind, you're not allowed to.08:49
bddebianLaserJock: :-)08:50
hubghawd, the mono packaging between Dapper and Etch differs widely now08:50
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imbrandonhub i noticed08:55
Spechey LaserJock, i have me a question08:56
SpecIf I apt-get source maxima, how do I rebuild a deb with cmucl?08:56
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LaserJockSpec: you would at least need to change the Build-Depends in debian/control08:57
imbrandonhub i've just been building mono / monodev from source heh, the dapper pkgs change too much08:57
SpecHow would I tell maxima to compile with cmucl though?08:58
imbrandondebuild08:58
imbrandonafter chaing debain/rules and debaiol/control08:58
imbrandonetc08:58
Speci'd rather use pbuild instead of debuild, yes?08:59
Spec:p08:59
imbrandoni dunno i use debuild myself ;) but thats just me, i'm be NO means an expert09:00
LaserJockSpec: debian/rules I'm guessing09:00
LaserJockdebuild builds the source package and pbuilder builds the binary09:01
imbrandondebuild does binarys too without the -S -sa correct ?09:01
Specoh, i use dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S -rfakeroot, as told by other peoples :p (to build the source)09:02
hubimbrandon: the thing is that I'm debianpackaging it09:02
bddebiandebuild will to the same09:02
Specwhat advantage does debuild have over dpkg-buildpackage? ^.^09:02
LaserJockSpec:  debuild = dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot more or less09:02
Spechehe09:02
LaserJockso yes you can use debuild to build the binary package but pbuilder is better because you check build dependecies and you don't have to install all the build dependencies on your machine09:03
imbrandonahh09:04
Specgotta wait for pbuilder to build it's p :-/09:09
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FunnyLookinHatWhy has the xlibs package been removed from dapper?  it was in breezy....09:36
FunnyLookinHat(required for cedega packaged .deb to install)09:36
ograFunnyLookinHat, it was onsolete in breezy already and only there for transitional porpose ... its droppen in debian as well09:37
ogra*purpose ... dropped09:37
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siretartFunnyLookinHat: get a fixed cedega package for xorg709:38
FunnyLookinHatI grabbed a .deb that was hacked together from an http site....  so it'll work.  Any idea if a fix will come into play (or an updated xlibs package?)09:39
ograxedega needs to be updated for xorg7, thats nothing you can solve on the xorg side09:40
ogra*cedega09:40
FunnyLookinHatogra, oooh ok.  I'll drop cedega dev's a complain then09:40
FunnyLookinHatthanks guys!09:40
ograthere wonnt be a xlibs package, xlibs are dead since quite some time09:40
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nawtyHi guys, anyone feel like helping me through building some debs?10:29
Bluekujanawty: start reading debian new mainteiner guide10:30
crimsunnawty: are you following the Packaging Guide?10:30
nawtyBluekuja, crimsun: URLS?10:30
Bluekujanawty: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide10:30
crimsunhttp://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html10:30
Specnawty: man dpkg-buildpackage; man pbuilder; man dh_make; man cdbc10:30
Specafter you read all the above, of course.10:31
Bluekujaexactly Spec :)10:31
Bluekujaits all written there10:31
nawtyok, starting off with the URL's, i'll go back for the man pages, if my brain survives.10:31
Bluekujathen start make some practice10:31
crimsuncdbs, rather?10:31
Specerr10:34
Speccdbs rather :)10:34
Specc, s, there's no difference in my head.10:34
crimsunif only that excuse were valid for code ;-)10:34
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nawtyok, so if somthing's a debian upstream package, and i create one, can i submit it directly into ubuntu?11:08
nawtyor at least, if i create an update.11:08
LaserJocknawty: you are creating a new Debian package that hasn't been in Debian or Ubuntu before?11:10
nawtyLaserJock: no, it's currently in ubuntu/debian.11:11
nawtyLaserJock: dspam.11:11
LaserJocknawty: and you want to update it?11:11
nawtyLaserJock: that's the idea.11:12
LaserJockif you update it in Debian then it will be synced over into Ubuntu semi-automatically11:13
nawtyi'm not a debian user, and i'd prefer not to learn it as well as the ubuntu package methods.11:14
LaserJocknawty: oh, well they are pretty much the same, you could package it for ubuntu and then send a patch to the Debian maintainer. that is pretty easy11:14
nawtyLaserJock: i'd rather do that.11:15
LaserJockyou could send the patch to the Debian maintainer directly and then wait for it to be brought in to Ubuntu11:16
nawtyLaserJock: in theory, he jus tneeds to update dspam to the latest version.11:17
nawtyjust even.11:17
nawtyalthough, learning to package would be nice, which would you suggest?11:17
LaserJocknawty: package it up and then figure out where you want to go from there ;-)11:18
nawtyLaserJock: ok, i'll do that then11:25
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zulheylo11:56
LaserJockhi zul11:59
zulhey LaserJock12:00
dholbachgood night12:01

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