[12:04] <Whoopie> sorry, only saw the debian directory, and believed it's always the same. thanks!
[12:04] <Whoopie> can you upload it?
[12:07] <crimsun> Whoopie: no, I don't have main upload privileges, else I would have uploaded it already.
[12:16] <Whoopie> Hi zul!
[12:17] <Whoopie> Your mail-notification package failed build. :(
[12:17] <dholbach> good night fellas
[12:18] <crimsun> 'night daniel
[12:18] <Whoopie> night
[12:18] <dholbach> NIght other-Daniel :)
[12:21] <ajmitch> morning all
[12:21] <zul> morning ajmitch
[12:21] <zul> yeehaw my first upload to main was accepted
[12:21] <ajmitch> sweet
[12:21] <pygi> zul, congrats :)
[12:21] <zul> thanks
[12:22] <ajmitch> pygi: why do you want a newer monodevelop at this late stage?
[12:22] <pygi> ajmitch, hm, just to have it? It doesnt matter actually...
[12:23] <ajmitch> oh dear
[12:23] <pygi> ajmitch, :P
[12:23] <ajmitch> we don't file UVF exceptions 'just to have it'
[12:23] <pygi> yes, yes, this fixes several bugs :)
[12:24] <ajmitch> 16 days out from release...
[12:24] <zul> yeah dont want to break anything
[12:24] <pygi> yes, as I said.. doesn't matter...
[12:24] <pygi> *bla*
[12:28] <ajmitch> ok, still got 3 or so unmet deps for zope*
[12:28] <ajmitch> 1 more upload should fix them
[12:28] <sivang> ajmitch: do you have any idea about the zope source distribution ?
[12:29] <sivang> (and on a related note, we do not provide zope3 distro in the archive, right?)
[12:29] <ajmitch> sivang: explain
[12:30] <ajmitch> we have zope2.7, zope2.9, and zope3 in the archive
[12:30] <ajmitch> sorry, 2.8, not 2.7
[12:30] <ajmitch>      zope3 | 3.2.1-1ubuntu1 | http://apt-proxy dapper/main Packages
[12:30] <sivang> ah, we have 3? produce from which upstream tarball ?
[12:30] <sivang> ah okay :)
[12:33] <ajmitch> hm, 10317 bugs open, 16 days to go
[12:33] <ajmitch> think we can get it down? :)
[12:33] <zul> just a tad
[12:33] <zul> especially #1
[12:34] <sivang> ajmitch: okay, cool, so I grabbed 3.2.1 source distribution, to install it in a --prefix (I don't want to use the package and install system wide)
[12:34] <ajmitch> sivang: why not?
[12:34] <sivang> ajmitch: but when trying to ./configure , it won't build with python2.4.3 , it wants max 2.4.2
[12:34] <ajmitch> what's wrong with just setting up a zope3 instance?
[12:35] <sivang> ajmitch: I'd like to kno how to work with it from source, and to know about the setup needed as the package does it :)
[12:35] <sivang> (thinks zope-from-scratch ;-)
[12:35] <ajmitch> doing zope from scratch is only about a 5 minute task, not much is learnt :)
[12:37] <ajmitch> I doubt we'll get zope 3.3 beta 1 in dapper :)
[12:37] <sivang> ajmitch: so, how do you overcome this stop with the configure script?
[12:38] <sivang> ajmitch: (if the system you are installing has a higher python version > 2.4.2)
[12:41] <ajmitch> since debian/rules does appear to pass a --force flag to configure
[12:41] <ajmitch> & it compiles just fine
[12:41] <sivang> ajmitch: interesting, I tried that already to the source distro. I wll retry. thanks for checking :)
[12:41] <sivang> (and sorry for bugging)
[12:41] <ajmitch> yep, package built locally
[12:42] <sivang> ajmitch: (in which case the configure just says the python versio it found and ends abruptly without any error messages)
[12:42] <ajmitch> debian/rules has --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.4 --force
[12:46] <sivang> ajmitch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14096
[12:47] <ajmitch> and?
[12:47] <ajmitch> there's no error there
[12:47] <sivang> ajmitch: yes, there is no error
[12:48] <ajmitch> so what's the problem? :)
[12:48] <sivang> ajmitch: hhm, stupid me - could it have finished in a mere second? :)
[12:48] <ajmitch> yes
[12:48] <sivang> oh god
[12:48] <sivang> I am DUMB
[12:48] <ajmitch> zope's configure is fairly short
[12:48] <sivang> also, I've found:
[12:49] <sivang> # Place the optimal target version number (as returned by sys.version)
[12:49] <sivang> # below
[12:49] <sivang> TARGET="2.4.2"
[12:49] <sivang> ;-)
[12:49] <sivang> inside the configure script
[01:16] <TheMuso> UVFs are filed in malone now are they not? Just saw something on the wiki about sending to the MOTU list, but I haven't seen any there for a while.
[01:19] <crimsun> yes, on Malone
[01:19] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thanks.
[02:34] <TheMuso> c
[02:57] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:01] <ajmitch> hi
[03:08] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:23] <bddebian> Man, where the heck is everyone?
[03:24] <bddebian> plotting?
[03:28] <ajmitch> yes
[03:28] <ajmitch> political overthrows & the like
[03:28] <bddebian> Ah, nice :-)
[03:29] <DarkMageZ> ajmitch, :P you should be working to overthrow telecom!
[03:29] <ajmitch> more like sack & burn
[03:30] <DarkMageZ> if new zealand would just get rid of telecom, i'd probley move back
[03:30] <ajmitch> well they've moved in the last few weeks
[03:31] <ajmitch> local-loop unbundling is on the table
[03:31] <DarkMageZ> oh?
[03:31] <DarkMageZ> about time!
[03:31] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:31] <ajmitch> of course the document was leaked to telecom the day that cabinet signed off on it
[03:31] <ajmitch> but it's the most we've seen from the government in a long time
[03:32] <ajmitch> where are you now?
[03:32] <DarkMageZ> australia
[03:32] <ajmitch> figures
[03:33] <DarkMageZ> sure, telstra is evil, but they have competition with the guts to fight telstra (telstra is australia's version of telecom)
[03:34] <DarkMageZ> telstra newzealand is hypocritical, if we consider telstra nz & telstra au as one
[03:35] <DarkMageZ> anyways, if australia starts going like america is, i suppose i'll move back
[03:38] <bddebian> Oh yeah and how is that?
[03:50] <bddebian> Frickin' stupid hotel wireless
[06:19] <Laser_away> bddebian: where is the unmet deps list?
[06:20] <bddebian> Laser_away: Give me a sec
[06:20] <bddebian> Laser_away: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=UNMETDEPS&search=Search
[06:22] <Laser_away> bddebian: when did you get in trouble for subscribing ubuntu-archive to get rid of a package?
[06:24] <bddebian> LaserJock: Kamion gave me a hard time for a couple but I am doing it now anyway :-)
[06:25] <LaserJock> ewb* need to go
[06:25] <LaserJock> they are apt-get.org imports that have been bugging me for some time
[06:26] <LaserJock> heck, unmetdeps are in the bag. I thought there was way more to do
[06:27] <LaserJock> a good FTBFS list would be nice though
[06:30] <bddebian> Yeah but I'm not sure how to generate a list now that the build logs are on LP?
[06:30] <bddebian> Anyway, I better get to bed.  Catch you later man
[06:30] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[06:35] <Mithrandir> https://launchpad.net/+builds/yellow?build_state=failed&build_text= at least gives you a list of failed amd64 builds.
[06:45] <LaserJock> Mithrandir: hmm, that is interesting
[06:47] <ajmitch> infinity promised us a list of them, I'll ping him about it
[06:51] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, that would be great, especially since I'm not the one doing it :-)
[07:30] <Gloubiboulga> hi MOTU world
[07:30] <ajmitch> hi
[07:31] <Gloubiboulga> hello ajmitch :)
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hi everyone
[07:47] <crimsun> hullo Hobbsee
[07:52] <freeflying> hi Hobbsee  crimsun
[07:52] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying and crimsun
[07:52] <crimsun> hi freeflying
[08:01] <Hobbsee> nasty StevenK!
[08:01] <Hobbsee> repeatedly.
[08:01] <StevenK> I'm not nasty, just misunderstood.
[08:02] <crimsun> repeatedly? ouch.
[08:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:02] <Hobbsee> misunderstood hey?
[08:03] <StevenK> Yeah, duh. :-P
[08:09] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[08:14] <Hobbsee> hi Toadstool
[08:14] <Toadstool> hey Hobbsee
[08:15] <ajmitch> hello
[08:15] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[08:17] <Toadstool> hi ajmitch
[08:35] <seth|lappy> Hobbsee, school is finally over for me :)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> seth|lappy: yay!
[08:48] <dholbach> good morning
[08:50] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach
[08:50] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[08:50] <sivang> morning all
[08:51] <Toadstool> hi dholbach sivang
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hi sivang
[08:52] <sivang> hey Hobbsee , Toadstool
[08:53] <dholbach> hey Toadstool
[09:05] <Mithrandir> morning dudes and dudettes.
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hi Mitt
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hi Mithrandir
[09:06] <crimsun> -devel has turned into rosetta temporarily ;-)
[09:07] <Toadstool> :)
[09:14] <sivang> crimsun: heh
[09:15] <sivang> that's what's nice about ubuntu channels , they switch hats all the time
[09:15] <crimsun> :-)
[09:19] <Mithrandir> almost like UDs too.
[09:21] <sivang> Mithrandir: UDs ?
[09:21] <Mithrandir> Ubuntu Developers
[09:26] <crimsun> hmm, ~2 1/2 days. That's a /lot/ of coffee. :-)
[10:00] <phanatic> hi people
[10:00] <Sp4rKy> hi
[10:12] <sivang> Mithrandir: ah, right :)
[10:51] <zakame> hi all
[10:52] <Sp4rKy> hi
[10:53] <zakame> hi Sp4rKy what's up?
[10:53] <Sp4rKy> nothing about me :)
[10:54] <phanatic> hey zakame
[10:55] <zakame> heya phanatic
[01:39] <ajmitch> hm, only 32G free on /usr/local
[01:39] <ajmitch> not bad
[02:12] <Lathiat> omg, hitting eject unmounts my cd drives now
[02:12] <Lathiat> woo
[02:13] <zul> heylo
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hi StevenK
[02:28] <StevenK> Awww. Whyfor?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> dunno
[02:29] <Hobbsee> mmm...a CC meeting at a sane time...wow
[02:29] <StevenK> Heh.
[02:29] <StevenK> You're not sick?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> just been coughing all night - and acting as the tickle monster :P
[02:29] <Hobbsee> i doubt it
[02:38] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee, StevenK
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch :)
[02:38] <StevenK> Does anyone know how to input unicode into Gnome Terminal?
[02:39] <StevenK> The help for it being slightly next to useless.
[02:39] <tuxmaniac> StevenK: Just go to Terminal menu and set character encoding :)
[02:40] <StevenK> Which is set to UTF-8
[02:40] <StevenK> I suspect the problem is that I need to know what my Compose key is.
[02:41] <tuxmaniac> StevenK: Add or Remove Encoding -> You find Unicode!
[02:41] <StevenK> Okay, let me redefine the question.
[02:42] <StevenK> How do I type accented characters into Gnome Terminal?
[02:42] <tuxmaniac> Hi all.. Somehow my brains did not work while installing Dapper. IWhen it asked for whether the system clock is set to UTC I pressed Yes. Now everytime I login it is showing 5.5 hours ahead as my time zone is Asia/Calcutta!!! How do I rectify this problem ?? :((
[02:44] <jamessan> StevenK: if you know the numeric value of the character, I think you can use "ctrl+shift+<number>" to enter it.
[02:45] <ajmitch> night all
[02:46] <tuxmaniac> StevenK: www.lookuptables.com/
[02:49] <jamessan> StevenK: the easier way is to have a compose key ;) or maybe use gucharmap
[02:49] <StevenK> I probably do have a Compose key. It's knowing which key it is.
[02:49] <tuxmaniac> jamessan: ++
[02:50] <jamessan> I don't have a compose key setup either, so I generally use Vim and then copy/paste it
[03:50] <tona> how do i setup vnc to accept connections only on 127.0.0.1?
[03:55] <Kyral> And the point of that would be?
[03:55] <Kyral> Isn't the point of VNC to accept remote connections?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hi Kyral
[04:10] <tona> Kyral: connect through a ssh tunnel, as vnc is highly insecure.
[04:11] <Kyral> tona: just use FreeNX
[04:11] <tona> Kyral: i use freenx too.
[04:11] <Kyral> i know of VNC's insecurity
[04:14] <tona> Kyral: using it through a ssh tunnel is absolutely sufficient, it's just that i want to use its config files for this limitation, rather than limit it from the tcp wrappers.
[04:16] <Kyral> speaking of the Local Loopback
[04:16] <Kyral> I got that ThinkGeek shirt that says "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" :D
[04:28] <tona> :))
[04:28] <tona> nice one
[04:28] <Kyral> also the "Man Woman" one :P
[04:29] <tona> what about: "127.0.0.1, sweet 127.0.0.1!" ?
[04:29] <Kyral> They don't have that one
[04:54] <zakame> hi all
[07:42] <Kyral> Long time no see farruinn
[07:45] <Kyral> damn Nethack
[07:59] <LaserJock> crimsun: ping?
[07:59] <crimsun> LaserJock: pong, but in a meeting
[07:59] <dholbach> i'm going to file a bunch of mysqlclient bugs now
[07:59] <Kyral> lol
[07:59] <dholbach> a bunch of stuff needs rebuilding again libmysqlclient15off
[07:59] <crimsun> yay, transitions!
[08:00] <LaserJock> crimsun: did you happen to look at rebuilding maxima using that other clisp?
[08:00] <dholbach> yoohooo! :)
[08:00] <LaserJock> crimsun: if not should I just try it out?
[08:00] <crimsun> LaserJock: I haven't, sorry, please do try it.
[08:00] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, will do
[08:03] <dholbach> ok, done
[08:06] <tseng> dholbach: *hugs*
[08:07] <dholbach> infinity said they'd be *really* straightforward as the mysql api virtually never changes
[08:07] <tseng> it all starts with k :)
[08:08] <dholbach> and UNMETDEPS went good
[08:08] <dholbach> 91 -> 21
[08:08] <dholbach> well done
[08:08] <LaserJock> do we have a FTBFS list yet?
[08:08] <dholbach> it's just that I have a new bunch of unmet deps on my box :-p
[08:08] <dholbach> LaserJock: i don't think so :/
[08:08] <dholbach> LaserJock: but until then, we can make sure the other stuff is sorted out
[08:09] <dholbach> and if the stuff we upload builds, we can be sure it's not on the FTBFS list :-p
[08:09] <LaserJock> ajmitch said he was poking lifeless I think
[08:09] <ogra> LaserJock, LP doent suffice ?
[08:09] <ogra> *doesnt
[08:09] <dholbach> ogra: archive test rebuild
[08:09] <LaserJock> ogra: how do we get a good list from that?
[08:10] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+builds?build_state=failed&build_text=
[08:10] <ogra> but indeed you need to filter that for universe vs main
[08:11] <ogra> and if its about the archive rebuild as dholbach said, i'm not sure that works via LP yet
[08:11] <LaserJock> ogra: are those all failed builds? what happens if we upload a fixed package, does it get removed from that list?
[08:13] <ogra> LaserJock, it should i think
[08:18] <LaserJock> we really could use some LP xmlrpc action going on,  I think
[08:36] <jeld> hello all
[08:38] <LaserJock> hi jeld
[08:38] <jeld> LaserJock, hi
[08:43] <bddebian> Heya gang
[08:44] <tuxmaniac> heya bddebian Long time no see!! Are you on trip?
[08:44] <bddebian> Yeah, still in Atlanta
[08:44] <tuxmaniac> hmm.. ok. /me hitting the bed
[08:45] <tuxmaniac> bye all!
[08:45] <bddebian> Gnight tuxmaniac
[08:46] <LaserJock> bddebian! hi
[08:46] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock, what's new? :-)
[08:47] <Spec> bddebian: wanna fix a bug?
[08:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: oh, I need to get my butt in gear at school. My advisor kind of looked at me like "
[08:48] <LaserJock> "what the heck have you been doing all day?"
[08:48] <LaserJock> when I had my weekly meeting with him :-)
[08:48] <bddebian> heh
[08:49] <bddebian> Tell him FU, I'm busy with Ubuntu
[08:49] <bddebian> ;-)
[08:49] <LaserJock> hmmm, no
[08:49] <bddebian> Spec: Can I? :-)
[08:49] <LaserJock> bddebian: but I need to get all productive before I tell him I'm going to Paris ;-)
[08:49] <Spec> bddebian: nope, nevermind, you're not allowed to.
[08:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: :-)
[08:50] <hub> ghawd, the mono packaging between Dapper and Etch differs widely now
[08:55] <imbrandon> hub i noticed
[08:56] <Spec> hey LaserJock, i have me a question
[08:56] <Spec> If I apt-get source maxima, how do I rebuild a deb with cmucl?
[08:57] <LaserJock> Spec: you would at least need to change the Build-Depends in debian/control
[08:57] <imbrandon> hub i've just been building mono / monodev from source heh, the dapper pkgs change too much
[08:58] <Spec> How would I tell maxima to compile with cmucl though?
[08:58] <imbrandon> debuild
[08:58] <imbrandon> after chaing debain/rules and debaiol/control
[08:58] <imbrandon> etc
[08:59] <Spec> i'd rather use pbuild instead of debuild, yes?
[08:59] <Spec> :p
[09:00] <imbrandon> i dunno i use debuild myself ;) but thats just me, i'm be NO means an expert
[09:00] <LaserJock> Spec: debian/rules I'm guessing
[09:01] <LaserJock> debuild builds the source package and pbuilder builds the binary
[09:01] <imbrandon> debuild does binarys too without the -S -sa correct ?
[09:02] <Spec> oh, i use dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S -rfakeroot, as told by other peoples :p (to build the source)
[09:02] <hub> imbrandon: the thing is that I'm debianpackaging it
[09:02] <bddebian> debuild will to the same
[09:02] <Spec> what advantage does debuild have over dpkg-buildpackage? ^.^
[09:02] <LaserJock> Spec:  debuild = dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot more or less
[09:02] <Spec> hehe
[09:03] <LaserJock> so yes you can use debuild to build the binary package but pbuilder is better because you check build dependecies and you don't have to install all the build dependencies on your machine
[09:04] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:09] <Spec> gotta wait for pbuilder to build it's p :-/
[09:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Why has the xlibs package been removed from dapper?  it was in breezy....
[09:36] <FunnyLookinHat> (required for cedega packaged .deb to install)
[09:37] <ogra> FunnyLookinHat, it was onsolete in breezy already and only there for transitional porpose ... its droppen in debian as well
[09:37] <ogra> *purpose ... dropped
[09:38] <siretart> FunnyLookinHat: get a fixed cedega package for xorg7
[09:39] <FunnyLookinHat> I grabbed a .deb that was hacked together from an http site....  so it'll work.  Any idea if a fix will come into play (or an updated xlibs package?)
[09:40] <ogra> xedega needs to be updated for xorg7, thats nothing you can solve on the xorg side
[09:40] <ogra> *cedega
[09:40] <FunnyLookinHat> ogra, oooh ok.  I'll drop cedega dev's a complain then
[09:40] <FunnyLookinHat> thanks guys!
[09:40] <ogra> there wonnt be a xlibs package, xlibs are dead since quite some time
[10:29] <nawty> Hi guys, anyone feel like helping me through building some debs?
[10:30] <Bluekuja> nawty: start reading debian new mainteiner guide
[10:30] <crimsun> nawty: are you following the Packaging Guide?
[10:30] <nawty> Bluekuja, crimsun: URLS?
[10:30] <Bluekuja> nawty: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide
[10:30] <crimsun> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[10:30] <Spec> nawty: man dpkg-buildpackage; man pbuilder; man dh_make; man cdbc
[10:31] <Spec> after you read all the above, of course.
[10:31] <Bluekuja> exactly Spec :)
[10:31] <Bluekuja> its all written there
[10:31] <nawty> ok, starting off with the URL's, i'll go back for the man pages, if my brain survives.
[10:31] <Bluekuja> then start make some practice
[10:31] <crimsun> cdbs, rather?
[10:34] <Spec> err
[10:34] <Spec> cdbs rather :)
[10:34] <Spec> c, s, there's no difference in my head.
[10:34] <crimsun> if only that excuse were valid for code ;-)
[11:08] <nawty> ok, so if somthing's a debian upstream package, and i create one, can i submit it directly into ubuntu?
[11:08] <nawty> or at least, if i create an update.
[11:10] <LaserJock> nawty: you are creating a new Debian package that hasn't been in Debian or Ubuntu before?
[11:11] <nawty> LaserJock: no, it's currently in ubuntu/debian.
[11:11] <nawty> LaserJock: dspam.
[11:11] <LaserJock> nawty: and you want to update it?
[11:12] <nawty> LaserJock: that's the idea.
[11:13] <LaserJock> if you update it in Debian then it will be synced over into Ubuntu semi-automatically
[11:14] <nawty> i'm not a debian user, and i'd prefer not to learn it as well as the ubuntu package methods.
[11:14] <LaserJock> nawty: oh, well they are pretty much the same, you could package it for ubuntu and then send a patch to the Debian maintainer. that is pretty easy
[11:15] <nawty> LaserJock: i'd rather do that.
[11:16] <LaserJock> you could send the patch to the Debian maintainer directly and then wait for it to be brought in to Ubuntu
[11:17] <nawty> LaserJock: in theory, he jus tneeds to update dspam to the latest version.
[11:17] <nawty> just even.
[11:17] <nawty> although, learning to package would be nice, which would you suggest?
[11:18] <LaserJock> nawty: package it up and then figure out where you want to go from there ;-)
[11:25] <nawty> LaserJock: ok, i'll do that then
[11:56] <zul> heylo
[11:59] <LaserJock> hi zul
[12:00] <zul> hey LaserJock
[12:01] <dholbach> good night