[12:11] <cbx33> well think it's time for bed
[12:11] <cbx33> nn LaserJock 
[12:12] <LaserJock> cya cbx33 
[12:12] <cbx33> you ok for sat 23:00 UTC freeze
[12:12] <cbx33> on ESA?
[12:13] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:13] <LaserJock> cbx33: as long as you get it done by then ;-)
[12:16] <LaserJock> ogra: around? or going to bed
[12:22] <cbx33> heheh
[12:22] <cbx33> i will
[12:50] <Amaranth> ogra: you sure know how to pick projects :P
[12:50] <Amaranth> the more i look at the code in willow the sadder i get
[12:55] <LaserJock> Amaranth: how so? just hard to work with?
[12:56] <Amaranth> no comments
[12:57] <Burgwork> Amaranth, you can write bad python code? *shocked* ;)
[12:57] <Amaranth> def bayesprob(probs):
[12:57] <Amaranth>     x = probs[0] [2] 
[12:57] <Amaranth>     y = 1-probs[0] [2] 
[12:57] <Amaranth>     for prob in probs[1:] :
[12:57] <Amaranth>         x = x * prob[2] 
[12:57] <Amaranth>         y = y * (1 - prob[2] )
[12:57] <Amaranth>     return x/(x + y)
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[12:58] <Amaranth> it's magic!
[12:58] <Burgwork> looks like about how I would code it
[12:58] <Burgwork> that is a bad thing
[12:58] <Burgwork> is willow actively maintained?
[12:58] <Amaranth> i mean, i'm sure i'll figure out how it works once i dive into it more but jeez
[12:58] <Amaranth> Burgwork: no idea
[12:59] <Burgwork> it appears it is, but here is no mailing list that I can find
[12:59] <Amaranth> the website has no links to old versions, an rcs, etc
[01:00] <Burgwork> so pretty much it will need to be forked, unless they setup said
[01:00] <Amaranth> yeah, i'll be maintaining my own fork
[01:01] <Burgwork> there are also no docs on how to get it going, at least on the website
[01:02] <Amaranth> oh, the last dated release was 9/29/05
[01:02] <Amaranth> and that's two releases old
[01:02] <Burgwork> where is that information from?
[01:02] <Amaranth> CHANGELOG.txt in the tar.gz
[01:02] <Burgwork> freshmeat lists nothing
[01:03] <Burgwork> have we tried to contact the authors?
[01:03] <Amaranth> ack
[01:03] <Amaranth> i just realized, none of these files have copyright information
[01:03] <Burgwork> oh, joy
[01:04] <Amaranth> they include a gpl.txt file
[01:04] <Amaranth> but no AUTHORS or anything
[01:04] <Burgwork> hmm
[01:04] <Burgwork> do they specific what is covered under the gpl?
[01:05] <Amaranth> not that i can see
[01:05] <Burgwork> we might also have an issue with the training stuff
[01:05] <Burgwork> ie, the inclusion of "bad content"
[01:05] <Burgwork> observe the whole hot coffee mess
[01:05] <Amaranth> heh
[01:05] <Amaranth> well, that's how you train it
[01:06] <Burgwork> yes, but I think we would need to have the training content is a seperate binary, not installed by deafult
[01:06] <Amaranth> i might have to redo this from scratch...
[01:06] <Burgwork> the whole filter?
[01:06] <Amaranth> the whole project
[01:06] <Amaranth> no authors listed, no copyright info, etc
[01:06] <Burgwork> ouch
[01:07] <Burgwork> I would contact the author first
[01:07] <Burgwork> I suspect it is merely an oversight
[01:07] <Amaranth> oh, they do have contact info on their website
[01:07] <LaserJock> that happens quite a bit actually
[01:07] <Burgwork> userful did it as well
[01:07] <LaserJock> but usually there is a little more info
[01:09] <Burgwork> http://www.whsd.k12.pa.us/admin/Technology/techplan/currentplan.py <-- this is who willow was built for
[01:09] <Burgwork> check out the extension
[01:09] <Burgwork> they might be a good place to get edubuntu into
[01:10] <Amaranth> hehe
[01:10] <Burgwork> wonder if it would pass the "hooker" test
[01:10] <Burgwork> I just sold to a library whose director lives in Hooker, OK
[01:11] <Burgwork> she uses that as a good baseline to test filtering against
[01:12] <Amaranth> kind of hard to make an automatic filter handle that
[01:12] <Amaranth> that's what whitelisted domains are for
[01:12] <saugilsr_> sorry to jump into conv... being a newb in this channel.. but why was reason for picking Willow?
[01:13] <saugilsr_> the reason
[01:13] <Amaranth> saugilsr_: It uses bayesian filtering.
[01:13] <Amaranth> Like spam filters, it "learns" what is good and bad based on what you've marked as good/bad in the past.
[01:14] <Amaranth> I've sent an email to ed@digitallumber.net, hopefully I'll get an answer soon.
[01:14] <saugilsr_> ok just reading the site now..   but you have to feed it what is bad/good right?
[01:14] <Amaranth> Although with what I'm probably going to do to this code I could probably pass it off as a completely separate thing anyway. :P
[01:14] <saugilsr_> Im running dansguardian at work so i'm comparing it to that.
[01:15] <Burgwork> dansguardian is the big one
[01:15] <Burgwork> we run that at my company as well
[01:15] <Burgwork> it works, after a fashion
[01:15] <Amaranth> saugilsr_: Yeah you have to train it but it also comes somewhat pretrained.
[01:15] <Amaranth> Mostly to block porn websites.
[01:15] <saugilsr_> yeah the students now hate me with a passion now that i installed it
[01:17] <Burgwork> hmm, I wonder if you could reverse train a filter like willow
[01:17] <Burgwork> so it will only show porn
[01:18] <Burgwork> Amaranth, what does the .pickle file do?
[01:20] <Burgwork> ok, there is a nice nautilus bug
[01:21] <Burgwork> what does dapper say about shockwavefilter.py
[01:21] <Burgwork> mine says it is html
[01:22] <Amaranth> html
[01:22] <Amaranth> because these guys embed HTML in the python files
[01:22] <Amaranth> so to edit the error messages you have to edit the python code
[01:23] <Burgwork> oh, joy of joys
[01:23] <Burgwork> why don't you create a willow product is LP and we can begin tracking bugs in LP
[01:24] <Burgwork> there is also the hardcoded google domains
[01:27] <Burgwork> how about adfilter.py
[01:28] <Burgwork> I see lots of great ideas with a half thought out implementation plan
[01:31] <Burgwork> Amaranth, there are a whole bunch of stupid things I see here that need to be recording somewhere, like a bug report
[01:38] <Amaranth> Burgwork: I've got a tomboy note.
[01:38] <Amaranth> Burgwork: This isn't in ubuntu yet and they don't have a BTS
[01:40] <Burgwork> we can use launchpad
[01:40] <Burgwork> it was designed for this sort of thing
[01:40] <Burgwork> or a wiki page
[01:51] <Phlosten> hmm
[01:57] <Phlosten> hey there bimberi 
[01:58] <bimberi> hi Phlosten :)
[01:58] <Phlosten> can you possible answer a quick question for me
[01:58] <bimberi> sure
[01:58] <Phlosten> still trying to nut out the ltsp
[01:58] <bimberi> :/
[01:59] <Phlosten> i have a feeling when the client is requesting IP stuff from the DHCP server on this machine, that the DHCP server is using its own dhcpd.conf file and not the LTSP one,...
[02:00] <Phlosten> hmm
[02:00] <Phlosten> wonder where the first line went
[02:00] <Phlosten> bimberi, can you see the first line of what I just typed?
[02:00] <bimberi> no
[02:01] <Phlosten> hmmm, ok
[02:02] <Phlosten> basically i have two (x2) dhcpd.conf files, one in /etc/dhcp3/ and the other in /etc/ltsp/, how does the server know which one to use?
[02:02] <bimberi> does 'ps aux | grep dhcp' show you?
[02:03] <Phlosten> ok, cool, it shows /etc/ltsp in there
[02:04] <Phlosten> where is that set? 
[02:05] <Phlosten> still trying to unlearn dos/windows and learn the ins and outs of Linux :)
[02:05] <bimberi> i'd would say in the init script (/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server ??) or something it calls
[02:05] <bimberi> :)
[02:06] <Phlosten> bimberi, I am working on setting up the LTSP on my normal Ubuntu install, and not that edubuntu install I was running the other day
[02:06] <Phlosten> and my client is stuck at "Loading 192.168.0.1:/ltsp/pxelinux.0"
[02:06] <Doxedon> is there a help channel?
[02:06] <bimberi> yes, you and Fujitsu were discussing it yesterday
[02:07] <Phlosten> i'd like to be able to take both these machines along to the computer group meeting next meeting to show them what LTSP can do
[02:07] <bimberi> hi Doxedon, ask away, if someone knows they'll answer
[02:07] <Doxedon> thanks
[02:07] <Doxedon> don't know if I should be asking here
[02:08] <Phlosten> Doxedon, we'll soon tell you where to go ;)
[02:08] <bimberi> lol
[02:08] <Doxedon> I'm hoping to download the live cd version of Ubuntu - just hoping to see how the OS works, etc.
[02:09] <Doxedon> but I'm curious as to how the live CD works, will it access all my current files on my hard drive?
[02:09] <Phlosten> bimberi, i thought I had a problem with my dhcpd.conf file, so I plugged in my edubuntu drive which was doing that bit right to compare that file and they are the same, am running out of places to look :/
[02:09] <Phlosten> Doxedon, LiveCD will not touch you hard disk files except to mount the disk so you can access the files
[02:10] <Phlosten> Doxedon, if indeed your hard disk partition is mountable by Ubuntu
[02:10] <Doxedon> could I download a file and get it to work off livecd?
[02:10] <bimberi> Doxedon: it won't mount the disk unless you tell it to.  You can even run the LiveCD without a HDD
[02:11] <Doxedon> okay, got that
[02:11] <Phlosten> Doxedon, are you wondering whether you can install files while running LiveCD?
[02:11] <Doxedon> yeah, something on those lines
[02:12] <Phlosten> Doxedon, it will look like a normal computer system, except the root disk will be in your RAM and not on a Hard Disk Drive. Once you pull the plug everything is gone
[02:13] <Phlosten> Doxedon, however in the 6.06 version of the Ubuntu LiveCD there is the option to have it 'persistant' and keep changes files on a USB drive or similar
[02:14] <Phlosten> however I have not explored the persistant option myself, so I cannot give you much advice beyond that
[02:15] <Phlosten> firewall... just had a thought....   bimberi, where are the firewall options set? i have been running firestarter and I just remembered that the setup that it configures remains even after the GUI is closed
[02:15] <Doxedon> what I wanted to do was run a piece of software but really didn't want to install and utilise on a permanent basis just yet
[02:15] <Doxedon> would that work?
[02:15] <saugilsr_> Doxedon:  if you want to play without having to repartition or anything you can try using something like qemu.  
[02:16] <saugilsr_> Doxedon: that will emulate a computer.. and when your done playing you can just delete the HD image
[02:17] <LaserJock> Doxedon: it will work, but once you reboot it will be gone
[02:18] <bimberi> Phlosten: i don't know iptables very well - 'sudo iptables -L' will show you what is set - idk where to unset them though sorry
[02:18] <Phlosten> bimberi, groovy, that should help me,...ty
[02:18] <bimberi> Phlosten: np :)
[02:20] <Doxedon> with qemu, would I still need to download a linux os?
[02:22] <saugilsr_> Doxedon:  yes.  You can use any ISO.. including a LiveCD if you wanted.  What software are you wanting to try? A package or just the whole OS in general?
[02:23] <Doxedon> basically I wanted to get a "server" running. Connects people/outputs information in text
[02:23] <Phlosten> huraaah!
[02:27] <bimberi> Phlosten: some success?
[02:27] <Phlosten> yeah, firewall blocking needed ports
[02:28] <Phlosten> the tftp port, and the one needed for 856
[02:28] <Phlosten> whatever 856 is
[02:28] <Phlosten> i guessing it is NFS
[02:29] <Phlosten> bimberi, now I am back at same place I was when I was trying to get the edubuntu one working
[02:30] <bimberi> Phlosten: 'sudo netstat -plunt' will show you what ports are being listened to and which process has them open
[02:30] <bimberi> Phlosten: so client boots to a text-mode login prompt?
[02:31] <Phlosten> yer, and terminal 7? (ctrl-alt-f7) is just flashing cursor
[02:31] <Phlosten> i am pretty certain it is problem with X config
[02:32] <Phlosten> its an nvidia based card that only works with vesa driver
[02:33] <Phlosten> ubuntu tries to set it up with nv instead of vesa though
[02:34] <Doxedon> im lost with qemu :(
[02:34] <saugilsr_> Doxedon:   hmm.. most LiveCD's are designed so you can run a Desktop Interface..  not really for running a temporary server..
[02:35] <Doxedon> so best bet is to download the full install?
[02:35] <bimberi> Phlosten: hm, i wonder if there's a way to specify the driver 
[02:35] <saugilsr_> Doxedon:  yeah.  I would say..  if your looking to test out a server
[02:36] <Doxedon> okay, I just have a small concern that if I do it won't detect the drivers
[02:36] <saugilsr_> Doxedon: if you have a spare partition you can dual boot a machine
[02:36] <Doxedon> i don't :(
[02:36] <Doxedon> I read that you could do it on installation?
[02:37] <Phlosten> bimberi, there should be a way, just working it out
[02:37] <saugilsr_> Doxedon:  yeah you can resize your current partitions.. 
[02:37] <Doxedon> not create new?
[02:37] <bimberi> Doxedon: you can test the feasibility with the LiveCD, but it wouldn't be a particularly good solution on any sort of (semi-)permanent basis
[02:38] <saugilsr_> Doxedon:  oh yeah that to..    would this be your first linux install?
[02:39] <Doxedon> yeah
[02:39] <saugilsr_> Doxedon:  ok. Download the LiveCD and try that first.
[02:39] <Phlosten> bimberi, i need to configure an 'lts.conf' file :)
[02:39] <saugilsr_> Doxedon: that will give you a feel of what your doing
[02:40] <Doxedon> what sucked was that it stopped at 300 mb :(
[02:45] <Doxedon> Thanks for all your help
[02:51] <Phlosten> ooh, syntax error :)
[02:53] <bimberi> Phlosten: the thrill of the chase :)
[02:54] <Phlosten> ok, we should have a winner now
[02:54] <Phlosten> tries again....
[02:54] <Phlosten> i tell ya what, I am learning heaps...always good :)
[02:54] <bimberi> absolutely!
[02:58] <Phlosten> wooo, i have an s login screen
[02:58] <Phlosten> x
[02:58] <Phlosten> except I had a typematic rate issue, getting multiple letters each press which made loggin in difficult
[03:00] <bimberi> Phlosten: i think you're going to know how to solve every LTSP problem by the time you get this working :)
[03:01] <Phlosten2> huraaah!
[03:01] <bimberi> Phlosten2: could it be!
[03:01] <bimberi> it is
[03:01] <Phlosten2> indeed
[03:01] <bimberi> hooray! very well done mate :)
[03:01] <Phlosten2> although I still need to ctrl-alt-f7 to get login screen
[03:01] <Phlosten2> but that is a small issue
[03:03] <Phlosten2> hmmm
[03:03] <Phlosten2> i opened openoffice from the menu on here, but it opened on the server
[03:04] <bimberi> what if you log out on the server?
[03:06] <Phlosten2> ah-ha
[03:06] <Phlosten2> excellent
[03:06] <Phlosten2> i obviously need another user account on the server for the client to use
[03:06] <Phlosten2> brb
[03:10] <Phlosten> i lurv linux!
[03:10] <Phlosten> and LTSP rocks too!
[03:11] <bimberi> :)
[03:40] <Cyorxamp> is the next dapper Edubuntu still set for June 1st?
[03:40] <Laser_away> Cyorxamp: yeah, Edubuntu 6.06 will be released on June 1
[03:41] <Cyorxamp> and thats 'non-flight' ?
[03:45] <crimsun> flights are milestone codenames, so yes, you can think of it as "final"
[03:57] <jsgotangco> good morning
[03:58] <LaserJock> 4hi jsgotangco 
[04:01] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:16] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, how goes the willow hacking?
[04:16] <Amaranth> stalled
[04:16] <Amaranth> some license issues
[04:17] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, the willow.py contains the gpl
[04:18] <Amaranth> yeah, but i'm not comfortable with the other files not having it
[04:18] <Burgundavia> or a general licensing file, ya
[04:18] <Amaranth> it has a gpl.txt
[04:18] <Burgundavia> plus the bad content is clearly not gpl
[04:19] <Amaranth> i think it just a pickled list of words
[04:19] <Burgundavia> the .pickle file?
[04:19] <Amaranth> wait, yeah
[04:19] <Burgundavia> seems to me that the .pickle file would scale very badly
[04:19] <Amaranth> those aren't right
[04:19] <Amaranth> it's got the real webpages
[04:19] <Amaranth> i never noticed that before
[04:20] <Amaranth> i hope that's not required for the filter to be trained
[04:20] <Burgundavia> I think it is
[04:20] <Burgundavia> hence the issue I raised earlier
[04:20] <Amaranth> basically it looks like i'm writing this from scratch
[04:20] <Burgundavia> "hot coffee" Edubuntu anyone?
[04:20] <Amaranth> hehe
[04:21] <Amaranth> most of the code is "magic" anyway
[04:21] <Amaranth> and the basic ideas aren't that hard
[04:21] <Burgundavia> plus there are truly stupid hardcoded things in there
[04:22] <Amaranth> if i can't get a full bayesian system implemented i can at least do some semantic weighting
[04:23] <Burgundavia> http://rit.mellon.org/awards/ <- we should put Edubuntu up for this
[04:23] <Amaranth> haha, they run a default plone template
[04:24] <Burgundavia> so does the fsf
[04:24] <Amaranth> which the plone guys seemingly got from a guy i know
[04:24] <Burgundavia> to be fair, it is not as bad as some defaults
[04:25] <jsgotangco> IT award?
[04:25] <LaserJock> hmm, this might be a stupid question but what is the difference between plone and a wiki ?
[04:26] <jsgotangco> plone is not open for editing by default?
[04:27] <Burgundavia> a wiki is collaborative way to work on stuff
[04:27] <Burgundavia> plone is about presenting and ordering stuff
[04:27] <Burgundavia> there is overlap, as the wiki needs to display that stuff and thus needs to present and order it too
[04:27] <saugilsr_> Amaranth:  if your going to code it from scratch.. id recommend a 'feature' to block by file extention.. ie .dll  .exe  .bat..  not user if that can be a learned trate
[04:28] <Amaranth> saugilsr_: sounds like a good idea
[04:28] <Burgundavia> well, ideally, it could be built in an iptables style
[04:28] <jsgotangco> strangely, the wallpaper blends with red
[04:29] <Burgundavia> you have rules you can hook up in any order
[04:29] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: have you seen the wallpaper?
[04:29] <jsgotangco> the artist forgot new zeland
[04:30] <jsgotangco> he must have mistaken it with tasmania
[04:33] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: the chalkboard one?
[04:33] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:34] <Burgundavia> anybody know how to add a comment to a doc in OO.o?
[04:35] <Amaranth> would it be goofy to rot13 the bad domain and url lists so they don't show up in a search?
[04:36] <Burgundavia> what sort of search?
[04:36] <Burgundavia> rot13ing them reduces readability
[04:36] <Amaranth> someone searching for bad things with, say, locate
[04:36] <Burgundavia> what does dansguardian do?
[04:38] <Amaranth> dunno, but it uses a naive filter
[04:38] <Amaranth> at least according to the website
[04:38] <Amaranth> if a certain word is in a site it's automatically marked as spam
[04:38] <Burgundavia> naive?
[04:39] <Amaranth> instead of being weighted
[04:39] <Burgundavia> ah
[04:39] <Burgundavia> but what does dansguardian do to prevent the bad url/locate issue
[04:39] <Burgundavia> ?
[04:39] <Amaranth> i'll look tomorrow
[04:39] <Amaranth> bed time now
[04:40] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, are you doing soc for edubuntu?
[04:40] <Amaranth> hopefully
[04:40] <Burgundavia> ah, hence why you are looking at it now
[04:41] <Amaranth> yeah, i said i could start thursday
[04:41] <Amaranth> but i got done with school early
[04:41] <jsgotangco> meh i have to do some last minute SoC revivews
[04:41] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: vote me to the top :)
[04:42] <jsgotangco> Amaranth: the willow spec is already like 3rd heh
[04:42] <Amaranth> jsgotangco: higher is always better :P
[04:44] <jsgotangco> heh i just voted for it already
[04:45] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, is it Henrik Omma?
[04:45] <jsgotangco> no ogra will mentor it
[04:46] <jsgotangco> (willow)
[04:46] <Amaranth> what rank is it? :)
[04:46] <jsgotangco> 4th
[04:46] <Amaranth> cool
[04:47] <Amaranth> iirc projects get slots assigned to them tomorrow
[04:47] <jsgotangco> yeah we have 227 applications but it seems we're going to get less than 10 in
[04:47] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, no, henrik's last name, is it Oma?
[04:47] <jsgotangco> Omma
[04:47] <jsgotangco> eerr less than 20 rather
[04:48] <Burgundavia> ok, check
[04:49] <jsgotangco> there's quite a number of members getting into this year's SoC
[04:59] <saugilsr_> Burgundavia: I use Dansguardian at work.. 
[05:00] <jsgotangco> hmmm it seems edubuntu-artwork broke
[05:02] <jsgotangco> ekkk no its epiphany!
[05:06] <saugilsr_> Burgundavia:  Works really well.  Its has weighted words/phrases and blocks sites based on the actual content of the webpage.  So for example the word 'breast' alone can have a high weight maybe 50.. but 'breast cancer' will have a low one..  any blocked site/page is redirected to a custom page of your making showing why its was blocked.   Or you can just block sites, extensions outright.
[05:07] <saugilsr_> Burgundavia:   whats interesting is that by its nature it will also make sure any conversation of web IM is clean..  nice side effect
[05:09] <Yagisan> Phlosten: get my emails ?
[05:11] <Phlosten> Yagisan, yup
[05:11] <Phlosten> cheers
[05:11] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: hey
[05:11] <Phlosten> bbs
[05:14] <Yagisan> G'day jsgotangco
[05:18] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: Phlosten: no reportbug mail from either of you yet ?
[05:22] <jsgotangco> no sorry, im just about to install it today
[05:30] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: no worries. was just checking to make sure I didn't miss any mail
[05:32] <jsgotangco> nice skype installs with no hitches in edubuntu
[05:33] <jsgotangco> (for the deb)
[05:34] <jsgotangco> can't say if its actually usable yet though
[07:03] <jsgotangco> P3L|C4N0: welcome
[07:03] <P3L|C4N0> hi, jsgotangco 
[08:15] <HedgeMage> Hey, all, need an opinion on something...
[08:16] <pygi> HedgeMage, ?
[08:16] <pygi> Hi btw
[08:16] <HedgeMage> In the post-installation chapter in the standalone install section, I cover adding users, applying updates, and configuring email.  However, for both Evolution and T-bird, most of my instructions are essentially "fill in the clearly labeled blanks with the information from your ISP or mail server manager"
[08:16] <HedgeMage> think I should go ahead and ditch the sections on email?
[08:16] <HedgeMage> I feel like there's way more text than useful content in that section
[08:17] <pygi> indeed
[08:17] <HedgeMage> cool
[08:17] <HedgeMage> just wanted to make sure I'm not nuts :P
[08:17] <HedgeMage> btw, why aren't you on jabber? :P
[08:17] <pygi> because I cant login, but you can add mario.danicv
[08:17] <pygi> mario.danic@gmail.com
[08:17] <pygi> that works :)
[08:18] <HedgeMage> ahh ok :)
[08:18] <HedgeMage> when it said it didn't change your pw, it really did
[08:18] <pygi> try adding :P
[08:18] <HedgeMage> I told cbx but you weren't here
[08:18] <HedgeMage> I know gtalk is rebranded jabber :P
[08:19] <pygi> yes, now add me :-P
[08:25] <Yagisan> argh - ebay fucktard shipped my parts in a normal envelope. they been crushed by the mail sorting machines :(
[08:25] <Yagisan> http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/bad-ebayers/6878430475-scotia4c-back.jpg & http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/bad-ebayers/6878430475-scotia4c-front.jpg
[08:26] <Yagisan> :(
[08:26] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: squeaky wheel bump
[08:27] <HedgeMage> hi Yagisan 
[08:27] <HedgeMage> that stinks
[08:27] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: can you remind me when I'm on-duty?  I'm only in #edubuntu right now and hiding from the masses.
[08:28] <HedgeMage> I was getting so many staff request /msg-es I couldn't get anything done.
[08:29] <jsgotangco> that looks really ugly
[08:29] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I don't know when you are on duty, but I'll remind you later
[08:29] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: cool, or you can drop me an email at my freenode addy ( hedgemage@freenode.net ) with your nick, group name and chan(s) etc etc.
[08:30] <HedgeMage> we're kind of halted on GCFs today, hopefully will pick up again tomorrow
[08:30] <Phlosten> Yagisan, what was in the envelope?
[08:30] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: yeah, the cunt spent 50 cents on postage, rather then the much higher postage charged
[08:30] <Yagisan> Phlosten: RAM
[08:30] <Yagisan> haha yeah - like it will work now
[08:30] <Phlosten> stupid ebay retards
[08:31] <Yagisan> well, thats one less thin client to use now
[08:31] <HedgeMage> BTW, my hardware reqs paragraph was on the backup disc that went MIA... can someone remind me what's on the CD jacket so I can rewrite (standalone, not LTSP)
[08:31] <Phlosten> ebay needs to change the way it displays postage
[08:31] <Phlosten> should be seperate 'this is postage cost' and 'this is handling cost'
[08:32] <Phlosten> Yagisan, poo thinclient
[08:33] <Phlosten> poor
[08:33] <Phlosten> even o_O
[08:33] <Phlosten> i am trying to source bits for about 8 TC's 
[08:33] <Yagisan> Phlosten: yeah. needed older modules for it too, new ones don't work
[08:34] <Phlosten> i have enough bits for about 2
[08:34] <Phlosten> only 1 spare monitor tho
[08:35] <Yagisan> no chance of getting my money back either, as it just falls under the cutoff
[08:35] <Phlosten> bah
[08:36] <Phlosten> make sure you negative feedback it!
[08:36] <HedgeMage> :(
[08:37] <Phlosten> and sign his email address up to 100's of spam lists
[08:37] <HedgeMage> roflmao
[08:38] <Phlosten> i better do some work
[08:38] <Phlosten> bbl
[08:38] <Yagisan>  hmm. I don't see a stamp on the envelope
[08:42] <Yagisan> Phlosten: I should have his name and bank details around here somewhere. I wonder if that is enough to do a Nigerian 401 >:) ...
[08:42] <Yagisan> Phlosten: anyway, I need to take the kids to the doctor. be back later
[08:51] <HedgeMage> Anyone who's interested, see https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Worksheet to note the things in my section that need proofreading.  I'm going to spend my last 10 minutes before bad working on my own stuff, I'll be back on Edubuntu tomorrow cleaning up last tidbits and making requested screenshots
[08:51] <HedgeMage> I'm out of here!
[09:03] <pygi> spacey, poke?
[09:25] <pygi> JaneW, poke?
[09:25] <JaneW> hi py
[09:26] <JaneW> pygi too
[09:26] <pygi> we've got part of Cookbook
[09:26] <pygi> considering I havent heard from highvoltage and spacey for quite some time now...
[09:26] <pygi> cbx33 has joined us in the efforts
[09:27] <JaneW> cool!
[09:29] <pygi> also, please add me as mentor to that calendar thingy
[09:29] <pygi> she has change application to evo plugins
[09:29] <pygi> cbx33, hi
[09:29] <pygi> were just talking about you
[09:30] <cbx33> oh?
[09:30] <cbx33> what aboutme ?
[09:31] <pygi> well, that you joined efforts for Cookbook :P
[09:31] <cbx33> heheh :p
[09:31] <cbx33> i'm trying
[09:34] <pygi> :)
[09:34] <jsgotangco> JaneW: hey
[09:34] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[09:34] <cbx33> hi JaneW 
[09:35] <jsgotangco> JaneW: just a quick question: does Dione answer emails?
[09:35] <cbx33> jsgotangco: I have another patch for the docs
[09:35] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I think so... but I have not really been in contact yet, just CCed in msg so far
[09:35] <JaneW> so I haven't really seen evidence
[09:35] <jsgotangco> cbx33: please send it to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com
[09:36] <cbx33> ok will do
[09:36] <pygi> JaneW,  http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=tere.ertw@gmail.com:15f086bf:c32d38be
[09:36] <cbx33> grr I hate it when that happens
[09:36] <jsgotangco> JaneW: ok i have no response yet will just wait and see then just make a followup
[09:36] <pygi> cbx33, heh :)
[09:37] <jsgotangco> pygi: if that's doable it would be great
[09:37] <pygi> jsgotangco, it is doable
[09:37] <pygi> look at the end of application, she added evo plugin
[09:38] <jsgotangco> i just read it
[09:38] <jsgotangco> her application is pretty solid
[09:38] <pygi> oh,oki :)
[09:38] <pygi> JaneW, make me mentor on that one
[09:39] <pygi> I talked to her, and she really seems to know what she is doing
[09:39] <pygi> I hate all those KDE people who havent responded tho :(
[09:39] <pygi> what are you mentoring?
[09:40] <jsgotangco> i will add further, can it process offline calendars then sync to google calendar? (if its asking too much nevermind)
[09:40] <pygi> jsgotangco, ? :)
[09:40] <pygi> hm, what do you mean?
[09:41] <jsgotangco> pygi: pyq
[09:41] <pygi> ah, yes :)
[09:41] <jsgotangco> pygi: if i have a calendar entry in evo that is not from google calendar
[09:41] <pygi> hm, well, that should also be syncable
[09:42] <pygi> that pyq guy "stole" part of my nick
[09:42] <pygi> gah :)
[09:44] <pygi> jsgotangco, please make sure interface is better then this :P
[09:44] <pygi> http://byte.csc.lsu.edu/~rrouss7/soc/pyq/rev1/
[09:45] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:45] <jsgotangco> i agree it needs some work
[09:45] <pygi> indeed :)
[09:46] <jsgotangco> i should try doing a mockup too
[09:46] <pygi> and this Site manager is urgh...
[09:46] <pygi> how do you call it... unusable? :)
[09:46] <jsgotangco> hey they're mockups :)
[09:47] <pygi> o and yes..you want me to rank the application up?
[09:47] <jsgotangco> feel free
[09:48] <pygi> take a look at this then: http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=Szilveszter.Farkas@gmail.com:f57b5588:ae8c6326
[09:54] <cbx33> jsgotangco: http://www.progbox.co.uk/cbx/index.php/Patch03 - if you click on edit, can you just take a quick review of the patch and verify it's in the correct format for me before I pose to the list, I normally post them to LaserJock
[09:54] <cbx33> but I don't know if he doctors them i nany way
[09:56] <jsgotangco> a patch in a mediawiki? heh
[10:07] <cbx33> jsgotangco: indeed, it's the easiest way for now :p
[10:14] <cbx33> jsgotangco: i tried to wrap it in a <pre></pre> but it dies and replaces the text with something screwy
[10:28] <pygi> lol
[10:28] <pygi> jsgotangco, looked perhaps on that application I gave you?
[10:29] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:30] <cbx33> jsgotangco: did it look ok?
[10:30] <jsgotangco> i looked at the initial work done in the bzr site
[10:30] <pygi> jsgotangco, voted? :)
[10:31] <jsgotangco> i haven't will read further later (currently at work)
[10:31] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[10:36] <pygi> JaneW, poke again :)
[10:48] <Phlosten> evening all
[11:11] <Yagisan> re
[11:11] <Yagisan> Phlosten: sent the pics to the ebay guy
[11:12] <Phlosten> Yagisan, no response yet?
[11:12] <Phlosten> Yagisan, have you got link to those pics?
[11:12] <Yagisan> Phlosten: should be getting a refund soon (at least thats what his email said)
[11:13] <Yagisan> Phlosten: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/bad-ebayers/6878430475-scotia4c-back.jpg
[11:13] <Yagisan> took the front page down at my wifes request
[11:13] <Phlosten> i did not see the front page
[11:13] <Phlosten> was showing my other half 
[11:14] <Yagisan> Phlosten: how do you expect ram to survive that ?
[11:15] <Phlosten> with luck
[11:15] <Phlosten> :)
[11:16] <Phlosten> ok, i need something work out the exact model of an NIC card on a diskless client
[11:16] <Yagisan> Phlosten: pci id
[11:16] <Yagisan> Phlosten: hit pause at the status screen
[11:16] <Phlosten> need something to boot from floppy
[11:17] <Yagisan> Phlosten: can you pull the case off ?
[11:17] <Phlosten> i have two cards and I know they identify as other common cards under linux
[11:17] <Phlosten> i did see something somewhere on wiki or somewhere of what to do
[11:18] <Phlosten> have you guys got some sort of meeting tonight?
[11:21] <Yagisan> Phlosten: every wednesday at 12:.00utc. 
[11:21] <Phlosten> is that 10pm est?
[11:22] <Phlosten> aest
[11:24] <Yagisan> Phlosten: Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 17 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 17 May 23:30: Xubuntu | 19 May 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 May 07:00: Kubuntu | 24 May 06:00: Technical Board | 24 May 23:30: Xubuntu
[11:27] <cbx33> hi Yagisan 
[11:28] <Yagisan> cbx33: let me know when you've set up doomsday. I'll have a new svn release soon
[11:38] <cbx33> ok Yagisan 
[11:39] <Yagisan> cbx33: thanks. I have 5 people listed now, just a few more testers and I'll be really happy
[11:39] <Yagisan> Phlosten: jsgotangco: cbx33: were my instructions clear ?
[11:48] <cbx33> yeh i think so
[11:51] <Yagisan> cbx33: ok. I know it was a bit long.
[11:54] <cbx33> good morning mr Ogra
[11:58] <jsgotangco> ogra: epiphany doesn't show the startpage correctly (no images/css)
[11:59] <Phlosten> Yagisan, i only briefly looked through them
[12:01] <ogra> jsgotangco, iwj did that, not my fault
[12:01] <jsgotangco> ahh
[12:02] <cbx33> jsgotangco: shall i email that patch to the list then?
[12:02] <jsgotangco> cbx33: yes please, i have my tree here, i can upload
[12:03] <cbx33> ok nice
[12:04] <jsgotangco> ogra: even if it worked in firefox?
[12:05] <jsgotangco> ogra: epiphany referred to no locales
[12:05] <jsgotangco> while firefox did
[12:05] <ogra> jsgotangco, pleas ping him, he did an explicit upload of edubuntu-artwork yesterday for that, i have no idea what he changed
[12:05] <jsgotangco> ogra: thanks, just making sure
[12:06] <cbx33> jsgotangco: sent
[12:06] <jsgotangco> cheers
[12:07] <jsgotangco> its not a diff
[12:07] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:08] <cbx33> it should be
[12:08] <jsgotangco> wait my bad
[12:08] <Yagisan> Phlosten: if anything is unclear, feel free to message me, or email me.
[12:09] <cbx33> jsgotangco: so it is a diff?
[12:09] <jsgotangco> yeah it validates
[12:09] <cbx33> sorry I shouldn't have saved with .xml
[12:09] <cbx33> my bad there
[12:10] <jsgotangco> just checking the doc now
[12:10] <cbx33> :D
[12:12] <jsgotangco> ive uploaded it
[12:15] <cbx33> nice thanks jsgotangco 
[01:07] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 1 hour
[01:12] <cbx33> yes yes :D
[01:12] <cbx33> i love these meetings
[01:53] <ribbo> Can anyone suggest which kernel should I install to detect and use 4GiB of RAM, I have tied the -686-smp kernel.
[01:54] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +- 10 mins
[01:54] <ribbo> the machine is still running Hoary, by the way - one of the tuXlab servers.
[01:55] <ribbo> brb
[01:59] <JaneW> 4 mins
[01:59] <ogra> either your or my clock is wrong then :)
[02:10] <schoolinux> Hi all
[02:20] <cbx33> hi schoolinux 
[02:20] <cbx33> did you try DCC'ing me?
[02:21] <schoolinux> yep
[02:21] <schoolinux> actually i'm new to Xchat
[02:23] <cbx33> a hok
[02:25] <schoolinux> well, i had some questions
[02:25] <schoolinux> is meeting started?
[02:26] <pips1> yes, the meeting is currently going on in #ubuntu-meeting
[04:08] <mhz> hi you all
[04:08] <mhz> seen! highvoltage
[04:09] <mhz> oops, not it
[04:09] <mhz> lastseen! highvoltage
[04:09] <mhz> oops, not it
[04:09] <cbx33> mhz: you were right the first time
[04:09] <cbx33> but the ! at the beginning
[04:09] <mhz> ooh
[04:09] <cbx33> !seen highvoltage
[04:09] <ubotu> highvoltage <n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 16h 39m 14s ago, saying: 'goodnight ogra, cbx33 and the rest of #edubuntu :)'.
[04:09] <mhz> thx, as usual, cbx33 
[04:09] <cbx33> np
[04:11] <mhz> JaneW, ping
[04:11] <JaneW> mhz: pong
[04:12] <mhz> JaneW, hi there. Nice to see you. Got 3 mins?
[04:12] <JaneW> mhz: sure
[04:12] <mhz> cool
[04:13] <mhz> 2 things, As you know, despite of all the obstacles they are putting in front of us, we've decided to just continue trying to carry out the Fair of Education adn Free Technlogy here in Chile
[04:13] <mhz> So, we have even contacted the Southafrican embassy
[04:14] <mhz> to try asking for help in order to bring Jonathan to this event
[04:14] <mhz> JaneW, do you know any one in that embassy? Do you know if southafrica has any support fo speakers to attend international events?
[04:15] <JaneW> gosh I don't know
[04:15] <JaneW> you mean the SA embassy in Chile?
[04:16] <mhz> yup, or from SA to Chile
[04:16] <mhz> meaning, SA, as Gov.
[04:16] <JaneW> mhz: TBH I doubt they'd be vwilling to help
[04:16] <mhz> oh
[04:16] <JaneW> unfortunately
[04:16] <mhz> just like that?
[04:16] <JaneW> I read your mail
[04:16] <mhz> no sugar on top? :D
[04:17] <JaneW> sounds bad
[04:17] <mhz> oh?
[04:17] <mhz> what you mean?
[04:17] <JaneW> yes your funding being pulled
[04:17] <mhz> oh
[04:17] <mhz> yeah, I am getting used to that
[04:18] <JaneW> :?
[04:18] <JaneW> :/
[04:19] <mhz> hence, I have been writing many articles directed to Schools and Min. of Education. At least, people are starting to sending me emails congratulating me for the initiative, for the waking up of some conciousness about the FLOSS topic for Education.
[04:19] <JaneW> best bet would be for Jonathan to try to get funding from the foundation
[04:19] <JaneW> but they have had a management shake-up so I am not sure how likely that is to happen
[04:20] <mhz> oh, yeah, I had thought so but I just can't rely only on mark's. I feel uncomfortable having to contact mark for funding only, and it seems he's not coming to the event either
[04:21] <mhz> Well, the 2nd point is, Do you have clear vision of what Mark's ideas/near future plans are for ICT on Education topics?
[04:23] <mhz> JaneW, Well, the 2nd point is, Do you have clear vision of what Mark's ideas/near future plans are for ICT on Education topics?
[04:26] <cbx33> mhz: why not include a copy of the ESA when it;s complete :p
[04:26] <mhz> ESA?
[04:26] <cbx33> edubuntu school advocacy 
[04:26] <cbx33> I'll link you
[04:26] <cbx33> it's still a work in progress
[04:26] <mhz> OF COURSE! as I said, it is really cool doc/idea
[04:27] <mhz> and i will definately translate it into spanish (soon I hope)
[04:27] <cbx33> wow cool
[04:28] <mhz> cbx33, by "include" you mean...?
[04:28] <cbx33> well, it's hopefully going to be a printed leaflet
[04:28] <cbx33> :D
[04:29] <mhz> excellent! I was just confirmed my regular participation  (for free, again! :( ) in a magazine distributed to about 500 schools for no cost
[04:30] <mhz> so, I can easily propose articles and stuff to be in every issue
[04:30] <mhz> )every 3 months)
[04:31] <mhz> jsgotangco, hi.. 
[04:31] <jsgotangco> mhz: hi!
[04:33] <JaneW> mhz: I think Mark is going to focus more on education in the next 6 months
[04:34] <ogra> he is very focused on LAMS atm
[04:34] <ogra> i think he's doing some preparation work so we can include it in edgy or edgy+1
[04:34] <mhz> ogra, LAMS?
[04:34] <ogra> lamsfoundation.org (i think)
[04:34] <mhz> ohhh
[04:35] <ogra> but its based on apache tomcat and needs porting first
[04:35] <ogra> (its a java based server app)
[04:36] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:37] <mhz> hmmm
[04:37] <mhz> gee, there is SO MUCH to do
[04:37] <jsgotangco> ogra: the green background seems to blend with red strangely
[04:39] <ogra> jsgotangco, suggestions ? 
[04:40] <ogra> i think it works though
[04:40] <jsgotangco> yeah strangely
[04:40] <jsgotangco> i like the contrast
[04:40] <ogra> yep, but it might be a prob with red/green blindness, we should probably find someone who has one to tell us about
[04:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW: KL  804   17JUN MANILA/AMSTERDAM  1045   1835
[04:58] <jsgotangco> KL 2023   17JUN AMSTERDAM/PARIS   2050   2205
[04:58] <jsgotangco> crap
[04:59] <ogra> oh, have fun on the prop plane from a-dam to paris
[04:59] <jsgotangco> gee
[04:59] <jsgotangco> what is KL?
[04:59] <jsgotangco> KLM?
[04:59] <ogra> KLM
[05:00] <jsgotangco> isn't that crap?
[05:01] <jsgotangco> prop plane? gee i even avoid those on local planes
[05:02] <ogra> its ok, but i dont understand why you cant fly directly
[05:02] <jsgotangco> its the cheapest
[05:02] <ogra> CDG is a pretty big airport, i'd imagine direct flights could work
[05:02] <jsgotangco> i was surprised there is no Air France coming from here
[05:02] <ogra> yep
[05:03] <jsgotangco> the others are all over 1000
[05:03] <jsgotangco> this one is 750
[05:03] <ogra> ah
[05:03] <jsgotangco> $702 rather
[05:03] <ogra> thats significant
[05:03] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:03] <ogra> i'm pondering to go by train or car...
[05:03] <jsgotangco> but then,next to the guys from AU, i would be the next to experience jetlag for sure
[05:04] <ogra> do we have many ppl from .au this time  ?
[05:04] <jsgotangco> i dunno
[05:04] <jsgotangco> core devs?
[05:04] <ogra> i wouldnt guess so
[05:04] <ogra> hmm, lifeless
[05:04] <ogra> jdub is already in .za
[05:05] <jsgotangco> `are you going to guadec?
[05:05] <ogra> not sure yet
[05:06] <ogra> i'm sad i'm not in .mx, seems the debian guys start to rework the ltsp design
[05:06] <ogra> would have been helpful to go for me
[05:06] <jsgotangco> oh yeah
[05:06] <jsgotangco> we're just too close to release huh
[05:06] <ogra> yep
[05:06] <ogra> bad timing
[05:07] <jsgotangco> ok i look at the klm site and its says its "the reliable airline"
[05:08] <ogra> :)
[05:08] <ogra> i dont like KLM but thats a personal thing
[05:08] <ogra> (since i had to spend a night in shiphol because of them)
[05:09] <jsgotangco> i've heard of stuff..but then who am i to complain heh
[05:09] <ogra> a passenger ? 
[05:09] <jsgotangco> wonder if i could use my miles
[06:02] <cbx33> ping JaneW 
[06:02] <jsgotangco> she must have left already for her yogo
[06:02] <jsgotangco> yoga
[06:05] <lucasvo> I have a problem with the dhcpd3 initscript
[06:05] <lucasvo> when I run sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start 
[06:05] <lucasvo> it says fail
[06:05] <lucasvo> when I run sudo dhcpd3
[06:05] <lucasvo> it works
[06:09] <mhz> cbx33, http://www.progbox.co.uk/33.jpg ?
[06:09] <mhz> what is that for?
[06:09] <mhz> lucasvo, what does it fail?
[06:09] <mhz> what does log say?
[06:12] <mhz> .oO(hmmm, juliux is in the house... we seem to have full house -at least logged in)
[06:12] <lucasvo> mhz: http://pastebin.com/722659
[06:12] <juliux> mhz, lol
[06:13] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:13] <mhz> we had full house :)
[06:13] <mhz> nite, jsgotangco 
[06:13] <lucasvo> goodnight jsgotangco 
[06:14] <mhz> lucasvo, it seems "No subnet declaration for eth1 (0.0.0.0)."
[06:14] <mhz> you need to declare it
[06:14] <mhz> can you aste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
[06:14] <mhz> +p
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.3
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: Copyright 2004-2005 Internet Systems Consortium.
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: All rights reserved.
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.3
[06:15] <cbx33> mhz, that's the young theme wallpaper for edubuntu
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: Copyright 2004-2005 Internet Systems Consortium.
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: All rights reserved.
[06:15] <cbx33> my wife did it :p
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: Wrote 4 leases to leases file.
[06:15] <mhz> cbx33, pretty cool
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd:
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth2 (192.168.0.6).
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth2.  If this is not what
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd:    you want, please write a subnet declaration
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd:    in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd:    to which interface eth2 is attached. **
[06:15] <mhz> cbx33, by young you mean what age?
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd:
[06:15] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: Listening on LPF/eth0/00:08:a1:6f:30:8f/192.168.1/24
[06:16] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:08:a1:6f:30:8f/192.168.1/24
[06:16] <lucasvo> May 17 18:14:44 localhost dhcpd: Sending on   Socket/fallback/fallback-net
[06:16] <lucasvo> oh shit
[06:16] <lucasvo> sorry
[06:16] <lucasvo> in the same environment
[06:16] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/722668
[06:16] <lucasvo> I wanted to paste this
[06:16] <lucasvo> mhz: sudo dhcpd3 works 
[06:16] <cbx33> mhz, I'm not sure
[06:16] <mhz> LOl
[06:16] <lucasvo> mhz: ?
[06:16] <mhz> lucasvo, okis, me reads the new pastebin
[06:18] <mhz> lucasvo, hmmm, not that. I'd like to read your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file in pastebin
[06:18] <mhz> because the error states you have not declare subnet
[06:18] <mhz> thereofre, the server does not start
[06:19] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/722739
[06:19] <ogra> lucasvo, you need at least 1 interface that matches the range you defined in dhcpd.conf
[06:20] <ogra> else dhcpd wont start
[06:20] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/722764 < ifconfig
[06:20] <ogra> s/range/subnet/
[06:21] <lucasvo> ogra: so why does sudo dhcpd3 start the server, but the init script not?
[06:21] <ogra> an dthe dhcpd.conf ? 
[06:21] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/722739
[06:21] <ogra> it doesnt start the server 
[06:21] <lucasvo> ogra: ?
[06:21] <lucasvo> why not?
[06:21] <ogra> it starts the process but it wont server anything
[06:21] <ogra> *serve
[06:21] <lucasvo> ogra: it DOES server something
[06:22] <lucasvo> it works, I can get IP's if I use sudo dhcpd3
[06:22] <lucasvo> the configuration is correct
[06:22] <mhz> yeah, but you wont get LTSP ;)
[06:22] <ogra> anyway, you shouldnt do that
[06:22] <ogra> +its not supposed to do anything
[06:22] <lucasvo> mhz: why?
[06:22] <lucasvo> it works
[06:22] <lucasvo> I use ltsp over this
[06:22] <mhz> really?
[06:23] <mhz> wow, then I am ignorant
[06:23] <lucasvo> mhz: I don't have the edubuntu standalone package
[06:23] <lucasvo> afaik
[06:23] <ogra> looks like your config uses eth1, so whats the issue ? 
[06:23] <lucasvo> no, it doesn't, it should use eth0
[06:23] <mhz> ooh
[06:24] <ogra> err, yes
[06:24] <lucasvo> #
[06:24] <lucasvo> root@supernova:/home/lucasvo# ifconfig
[06:24] <lucasvo> #
[06:24] <lucasvo> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00afdsasfd6F:30:8F
[06:24] <lucasvo> # inet addr:192.168.1.1  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[06:24] <ogra> i was confused by eth2 there
[06:24] <lucasvo> :)
[06:24] <lucasvo> I don't know why the pci card comes before the built in one
[06:24] <ogra> indeed, so whats the issue so i can go to dinner ?
[06:24] <mhz> hehehe
[06:24] <cbx33> ogra, I wasthinking
[06:24] <lucasvo> when I run /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
[06:24] <lucasvo> it fails
[06:24] <cbx33> new meetings minutes page?
[06:25] <ogra> cbx33, yep
[06:25] <lucasvo> when I run sudo dhcpd3, everything works fine
[06:25] <cbx33> or shall I add to the old one
[06:25] <mhz> cbx33, +1
[06:25] <cbx33> it's pretty big
[06:25] <cbx33> ok :D
[06:25] <ogra> lucasvo, *dont* run sudo dhcpd3
[06:25] <lucasvo> ogra: why not?
[06:25] <ogra> so you did make your edits in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, right ? 
[06:25] <lucasvo> ogra: at least it works
[06:25] <lucasvo> ogra: no in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[06:26] <ogra> lucasvo, because its not supposed to work and you break with the initscript, also it wont use the right config
[06:26] <mhz> lucasvo, ahhhhh
[06:26] <ogra> lucasvo, so edit the right file then and drop all the overhead from the file, there is a lot of crap you wont need
[06:26] <mhz> lucasvo, now you are talking
[06:27] <mhz> I asked for the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf 
[06:27] <mhz> because it is the one for Edubuntu to work
[06:27] <lucasvo> mhz: they are actually the same
[06:28] <lucasvo> I don't have the ltsp-standalone
[06:28] <mhz> this /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf will/would work in a "normal" dhcp server environment. Edubuntu uses a diff approach and it reads /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[06:28] <lucasvo> mhz: not in my case
[06:28] <mhz> ooh, I see.
[06:30] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/722847
[06:31] <mhz> lucasvo, you have 2 or 3 NICs?
[06:32] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/722851
[06:32] <lucasvo> mhz: 3, but I only use 2
[06:33] <mhz> lucasvo, and dhcp should work on which?
[06:33] <lucasvo> eth0
[06:38] <mhz> If eth0 is up, and your .conf files looks ok
[06:38] <mhz> how is that dhcp3-server complains?
[06:39] <lucasvo> not at all
[06:39] <lucasvo> it only says Fail
[06:39] <lucasvo> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.3
[06:39] <lucasvo> Copyright 2004-2005 Internet Systems Consortium.
[06:39] <lucasvo> All rights reserved.
[06:39] <lucasvo> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/ * Starting DHCP server:                                                                                                                              [fail] 
[06:39] <lucasvo> root@supernova:/home/lucasvo#
[06:39] <mhz> unless... the init.d/dhc... script forces reading in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf instead of your conf
[06:41] <lucasvo> no it doesn't
[06:41] <mhz> hmm
[06:42] <mhz> then, sorry..
[06:42] <mhz> I am lost
[06:42] <ogra> lucasvo, it uses the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf in any case if it exists
[06:43] <mhz> oh, then my theory was right? it forces reading it
[06:43] <ogra> thats one of the purposes of the initscripts alongside with writing proper .pid files and creating the right chache files/directorys
[06:43] <mhz> oh, come on! you are eating dinner
[06:43] <mhz> :D
[06:43] <ogra> *dont* use dhcpd without the initscript
[06:44] <mhz> good argument
[06:44] <ogra> and use the right file or make it use the other one by deleting /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[06:44] <ogra> just fiddling around by starting binarys from the commandline doesnt help anybody
[06:44] <mhz> indeed
[06:45] <mhz> .oO(fiddling around was a phrasal verb I did not know but I got the context)
[06:45] <lucasvo> ogra: I modified the initscript
[06:46] <lucasvo> ogra: as you see, highlighted in this paste:http://pastebin.com/722847
[06:46] <lucasvo> AND I removed the ltsp-server-standalone
[06:47] <ogra> then youre on your own
[06:47] <lucasvo> :)
[06:48] <lucasvo> and this crappy init script doesn't even give good output
[06:50] <lucasvo> ogra: what do you mean, by modifiying the script you don't have to support me, or that you don't know what the problem could be?
[06:50] <ogra> that i really dont care about it then 
[06:51] <ogra> i have ~ 36h for modifications on the distro before it hard freezes and am very cautious if something doesnt work as it should ... please tell in advance that you changed the packaged files next time 
[06:52] <lucasvo> ogra: http://pastebin.com/722898
[06:53] <lucasvo> ogra: it didn't work before I modified it as well
[06:53] <ogra> i wont support you, ask again after friday i have really not the time to play with breakage you introduced
[06:53] <lucasvo> ogra: first of all, it never worked
[06:53] <lucasvo> that's why I introduced "the little breakage"
[06:53] <ogra> lucasvo, it works for everyone else
[06:55] <lucasvo> ogra: I did everything according to the guide
[06:55] <mhz> do you have all edubuntu packages installed? or you installed dhcp server manually?
[06:55] <lucasvo> mhz: I installed edubuntu-server
[06:56] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't think it's a problem of edubunt, it's a problem of dhcp init script
[06:59] <ogra> there is no problem in the initscript
[06:59] <mhz_off> okis, bye guys...
[06:59] <ogra> ciao 
[07:09] <lucasvo> ogra: here I have a more serious bug
[07:09] <lucasvo> with up to date software
[07:10] <lucasvo> http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/ltsp.txt
[07:11] <lucasvo> ogra: it's the third time I tried it
[07:11] <lucasvo> I did a SW update 2h ago
[07:12] <ogra> sorry, no idea i have three different successfull ppc reports from this week and didn one myself yesterday
[07:12] <lucasvo> hm
[07:12] <lucasvo> ogra: in that case, can you give me your chroot?
[07:12] <lucasvo> I am fed up with that crap!
[07:12] <ogra> on monday i can
[07:13] <ogra> i dont have the time for any such stuff now
[07:14] <ogra> also i'd sugegst to find whats wrong with that machine first, my chroot wont help you if you for example run out of diskspace 
[07:14] <ogra> (you'll need >500M free for building the chroot)
[07:15] <lucasvo> /dev/hda1              24G   19G  4.5G  81% /
[07:16] <lucasvo> I mounted it over nfs
[07:16] <ogra> yes but obviously something is wrong ... else debootstrap wouldnt fail
[07:16] <lucasvo> ogra: where does it store the logs?
[07:17] <ogra> there are none
[07:17] <lucasvo> :(
[07:17] <ogra> it logs to stdout
[07:17] <lucasvo> ogra: maybe run the command manually and look what it says?
[07:18] <ogra> you could try that, but dont expect more output
[07:18] <ogra> since thats all verbosity debootstrap has
[07:18] <lucasvo> dpkg: unable to lock dpkg status database: no lockas available
[07:18] <lucasvo> :(
[08:52] <juliux> ogra, 
[08:52] <juliux> ping
[09:09] <pygi> JaneW, poke? :)
[09:19] <highvoltage> hi everyone
[09:19] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage 
[09:19] <highvoltage> sorry i couldn't be at the edubuntu meeting this afternoon
[09:19] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock 
[09:19] <highvoltage> anyone have notes?
[09:20] <LaserJock> highvoltage: no, that was 0500 for me
[09:20] <pygi> highvoltage, do I eat you now or just later?
[09:20] <highvoltage> pygi: already ate :)
[09:21] <highvoltage> oh, eat me :)
[09:21] <highvoltage> hehe
[09:21] <highvoltage> why?
[09:21] <pygi> ergh, the cookbook?
[09:23] <highvoltage> yeah, i told you monday i can only upload it on friday :/
[09:23] <highvoltage> our internet connection was down at work, so i saved it in text files on a pc there (*should've* saved it on laptop, but didn't think that far)
[09:23] <pygi> ergh, oki :-/ Have you written all?
[09:23] <highvoltage> not really :(
[09:24] <highvoltage> there's big parts there
[09:24] <pygi> er :-/
[09:24] <pygi> ah,oki :-/
[09:24] <highvoltage> there's probably anough to consider it 'complete'
[09:24] <highvoltage> but it's not often that i'm satisfied very quickly with any documentation
[09:24] <pygi> yes, yes, ok :)
[09:25] <pygi> I gotta run now, so talk to you later :)
[09:26] <highvoltage> ok, bye pygi 
[10:39] <cbx33> could everyone who was at the meeting just check these minutes for me :p
[10:39] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew
[10:39] <cbx33> do they sound roughly like what went on :?
[10:39] <cbx33> evening LaserJock 
[10:48] <cbx33> look ok pygi ?
[10:48] <pygi> yup, probably
[10:48] <cbx33> heheh
[10:48] <pygi> I wasn't there :P
[10:48] <cbx33> i know
[10:48] <cbx33> how is the cookbook
[10:48] <cbx33> I'll have a while to work on ti toorrow
[10:49] <cbx33> I'm too ill to go to work
[10:49] <pygi> I just saw there was a question about it :)
[10:49] <pygi> argh :-/
[10:49] <pygi> nice to see you helping us, but hate to see you sick :(
[10:49] <cbx33> hehe
[10:49] <cbx33> I had tuesday off
[10:49] <cbx33> went in today
[10:50] <cbx33> but just feel too ill to go in tomorrow
[10:50] <cbx33> so staying home to recooperate
[10:50] <cbx33> with some edubuntu goodness
[10:50] <pygi> :)
[11:33] <pygi> hey andrea
[11:46] <Bluekuja> hey pygi, sorry for answering now but i was afk :)
[11:46] <pygi> no problems at all :)
[11:47] <Bluekuja> mario, i have to go now
[11:47] <Bluekuja> see you tomorrow
[11:47] <pygi> oki, bye :)
[11:47] <Bluekuja> take care
[11:48] <Bluekuja> cya #edubuntu