[12:11] well think it's time for bed [12:11] nn LaserJock [12:12] cya cbx33 [12:12] you ok for sat 23:00 UTC freeze [12:12] on ESA? [12:13] yeah [12:13] cbx33: as long as you get it done by then ;-) [12:16] ogra: around? or going to bed [12:22] heheh [12:22] i will [12:50] ogra: you sure know how to pick projects :P [12:50] the more i look at the code in willow the sadder i get [12:55] Amaranth: how so? just hard to work with? [12:56] no comments [12:57] Amaranth, you can write bad python code? *shocked* ;) [12:57] def bayesprob(probs): [12:57] x = probs[0] [2] [12:57] y = 1-probs[0] [2] [12:57] for prob in probs[1:] : [12:57] x = x * prob[2] [12:57] y = y * (1 - prob[2] ) [12:57] return x/(x + y) [12:57] [12:58] it's magic! [12:58] looks like about how I would code it [12:58] that is a bad thing [12:58] is willow actively maintained? [12:58] i mean, i'm sure i'll figure out how it works once i dive into it more but jeez [12:58] Burgwork: no idea [12:59] it appears it is, but here is no mailing list that I can find [12:59] the website has no links to old versions, an rcs, etc [01:00] so pretty much it will need to be forked, unless they setup said [01:00] yeah, i'll be maintaining my own fork [01:01] there are also no docs on how to get it going, at least on the website [01:02] oh, the last dated release was 9/29/05 [01:02] and that's two releases old [01:02] where is that information from? [01:02] CHANGELOG.txt in the tar.gz [01:02] freshmeat lists nothing [01:03] have we tried to contact the authors? [01:03] ack [01:03] i just realized, none of these files have copyright information [01:03] oh, joy [01:04] they include a gpl.txt file [01:04] but no AUTHORS or anything [01:04] hmm [01:04] do they specific what is covered under the gpl? [01:05] not that i can see [01:05] we might also have an issue with the training stuff [01:05] ie, the inclusion of "bad content" [01:05] observe the whole hot coffee mess [01:05] heh [01:05] well, that's how you train it [01:06] yes, but I think we would need to have the training content is a seperate binary, not installed by deafult [01:06] i might have to redo this from scratch... [01:06] the whole filter? [01:06] the whole project [01:06] no authors listed, no copyright info, etc [01:06] ouch [01:07] I would contact the author first [01:07] I suspect it is merely an oversight [01:07] oh, they do have contact info on their website [01:07] that happens quite a bit actually [01:07] userful did it as well [01:07] but usually there is a little more info [01:09] http://www.whsd.k12.pa.us/admin/Technology/techplan/currentplan.py <-- this is who willow was built for [01:09] check out the extension [01:09] they might be a good place to get edubuntu into [01:10] hehe [01:10] wonder if it would pass the "hooker" test [01:10] I just sold to a library whose director lives in Hooker, OK [01:11] she uses that as a good baseline to test filtering against [01:12] kind of hard to make an automatic filter handle that [01:12] that's what whitelisted domains are for [01:12] sorry to jump into conv... being a newb in this channel.. but why was reason for picking Willow? [01:13] the reason [01:13] saugilsr_: It uses bayesian filtering. [01:13] Like spam filters, it "learns" what is good and bad based on what you've marked as good/bad in the past. [01:14] I've sent an email to ed@digitallumber.net, hopefully I'll get an answer soon. [01:14] ok just reading the site now.. but you have to feed it what is bad/good right? [01:14] Although with what I'm probably going to do to this code I could probably pass it off as a completely separate thing anyway. :P [01:14] Im running dansguardian at work so i'm comparing it to that. [01:15] dansguardian is the big one [01:15] we run that at my company as well [01:15] it works, after a fashion [01:15] saugilsr_: Yeah you have to train it but it also comes somewhat pretrained. [01:15] Mostly to block porn websites. [01:15] yeah the students now hate me with a passion now that i installed it [01:17] hmm, I wonder if you could reverse train a filter like willow [01:17] so it will only show porn [01:18] Amaranth, what does the .pickle file do? [01:20] ok, there is a nice nautilus bug [01:21] what does dapper say about shockwavefilter.py [01:21] mine says it is html [01:22] html [01:22] because these guys embed HTML in the python files [01:22] so to edit the error messages you have to edit the python code [01:23] oh, joy of joys [01:23] why don't you create a willow product is LP and we can begin tracking bugs in LP [01:24] there is also the hardcoded google domains [01:27] how about adfilter.py [01:28] I see lots of great ideas with a half thought out implementation plan [01:31] Amaranth, there are a whole bunch of stupid things I see here that need to be recording somewhere, like a bug report [01:38] Burgwork: I've got a tomboy note. [01:38] Burgwork: This isn't in ubuntu yet and they don't have a BTS [01:40] we can use launchpad [01:40] it was designed for this sort of thing [01:40] or a wiki page === Phlosten [n=Phlosten@CPE-60-229-158-165.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [01:51] hmm === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [01:57] hey there bimberi [01:58] hi Phlosten :) [01:58] can you possible answer a quick question for me [01:58] sure [01:58] still trying to nut out the ltsp [01:58] :/ [01:59] i have a feeling when the client is requesting IP stuff from the DHCP server on this machine, that the DHCP server is using its own dhcpd.conf file and not the LTSP one,... [02:00] hmm [02:00] wonder where the first line went [02:00] bimberi, can you see the first line of what I just typed? [02:00] no [02:01] hmmm, ok [02:02] basically i have two (x2) dhcpd.conf files, one in /etc/dhcp3/ and the other in /etc/ltsp/, how does the server know which one to use? [02:02] does 'ps aux | grep dhcp' show you? [02:03] ok, cool, it shows /etc/ltsp in there [02:04] where is that set? === Doxedon [n=Doxedon@r220-101-117-207.cpe.unwired.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [02:05] still trying to unlearn dos/windows and learn the ins and outs of Linux :) [02:05] i'd would say in the init script (/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server ??) or something it calls [02:05] :) [02:06] bimberi, I am working on setting up the LTSP on my normal Ubuntu install, and not that edubuntu install I was running the other day [02:06] and my client is stuck at "Loading 192.168.0.1:/ltsp/pxelinux.0" [02:06] is there a help channel? [02:06] yes, you and Fujitsu were discussing it yesterday [02:07] i'd like to be able to take both these machines along to the computer group meeting next meeting to show them what LTSP can do [02:07] hi Doxedon, ask away, if someone knows they'll answer [02:07] thanks [02:07] don't know if I should be asking here [02:08] Doxedon, we'll soon tell you where to go ;) [02:08] lol [02:08] I'm hoping to download the live cd version of Ubuntu - just hoping to see how the OS works, etc. [02:09] but I'm curious as to how the live CD works, will it access all my current files on my hard drive? [02:09] bimberi, i thought I had a problem with my dhcpd.conf file, so I plugged in my edubuntu drive which was doing that bit right to compare that file and they are the same, am running out of places to look :/ [02:09] Doxedon, LiveCD will not touch you hard disk files except to mount the disk so you can access the files [02:10] Doxedon, if indeed your hard disk partition is mountable by Ubuntu [02:10] could I download a file and get it to work off livecd? [02:10] Doxedon: it won't mount the disk unless you tell it to. You can even run the LiveCD without a HDD [02:11] okay, got that [02:11] Doxedon, are you wondering whether you can install files while running LiveCD? [02:11] yeah, something on those lines [02:12] Doxedon, it will look like a normal computer system, except the root disk will be in your RAM and not on a Hard Disk Drive. Once you pull the plug everything is gone === bimberi deletes his partially finished answer - Phlosten's was so good :) [02:13] Doxedon, however in the 6.06 version of the Ubuntu LiveCD there is the option to have it 'persistant' and keep changes files on a USB drive or similar [02:14] however I have not explored the persistant option myself, so I cannot give you much advice beyond that [02:15] firewall... just had a thought.... bimberi, where are the firewall options set? i have been running firestarter and I just remembered that the setup that it configures remains even after the GUI is closed [02:15] what I wanted to do was run a piece of software but really didn't want to install and utilise on a permanent basis just yet [02:15] would that work? [02:15] Doxedon: if you want to play without having to repartition or anything you can try using something like qemu. [02:16] Doxedon: that will emulate a computer.. and when your done playing you can just delete the HD image [02:17] Doxedon: it will work, but once you reboot it will be gone [02:18] Phlosten: i don't know iptables very well - 'sudo iptables -L' will show you what is set - idk where to unset them though sorry [02:18] bimberi, groovy, that should help me,...ty [02:18] Phlosten: np :) [02:20] with qemu, would I still need to download a linux os? [02:22] Doxedon: yes. You can use any ISO.. including a LiveCD if you wanted. What software are you wanting to try? A package or just the whole OS in general? [02:23] basically I wanted to get a "server" running. Connects people/outputs information in text [02:23] huraaah! === Phlosten does a little dance === Phlosten evaluates the next problem :/ [02:27] Phlosten: some success? [02:27] yeah, firewall blocking needed ports [02:28] the tftp port, and the one needed for 856 [02:28] whatever 856 is [02:28] i guessing it is NFS [02:29] bimberi, now I am back at same place I was when I was trying to get the edubuntu one working [02:30] Phlosten: 'sudo netstat -plunt' will show you what ports are being listened to and which process has them open [02:30] Phlosten: so client boots to a text-mode login prompt? [02:31] yer, and terminal 7? (ctrl-alt-f7) is just flashing cursor [02:31] i am pretty certain it is problem with X config [02:32] its an nvidia based card that only works with vesa driver [02:33] ubuntu tries to set it up with nv instead of vesa though [02:34] im lost with qemu :( [02:34] Doxedon: hmm.. most LiveCD's are designed so you can run a Desktop Interface.. not really for running a temporary server.. [02:35] so best bet is to download the full install? [02:35] Phlosten: hm, i wonder if there's a way to specify the driver [02:35] Doxedon: yeah. I would say.. if your looking to test out a server [02:36] okay, I just have a small concern that if I do it won't detect the drivers [02:36] Doxedon: if you have a spare partition you can dual boot a machine [02:36] i don't :( [02:36] I read that you could do it on installation? [02:37] bimberi, there should be a way, just working it out [02:37] Doxedon: yeah you can resize your current partitions.. [02:37] not create new? [02:37] Doxedon: you can test the feasibility with the LiveCD, but it wouldn't be a particularly good solution on any sort of (semi-)permanent basis [02:38] Doxedon: oh yeah that to.. would this be your first linux install? [02:39] yeah === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:39] Doxedon: ok. Download the LiveCD and try that first. [02:39] bimberi, i need to configure an 'lts.conf' file :) [02:39] Doxedon: that will give you a feel of what your doing [02:40] what sucked was that it stopped at 300 mb :( [02:45] Thanks for all your help === Doxedon [n=Doxedon@r220-101-117-207.cpe.unwired.net.au] has left #edubuntu [] === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [02:51] ooh, syntax error :) [02:53] Phlosten: the thrill of the chase :) [02:54] ok, we should have a winner now [02:54] tries again.... [02:54] i tell ya what, I am learning heaps...always good :) [02:54] absolutely! [02:58] wooo, i have an s login screen [02:58] x [02:58] except I had a typematic rate issue, getting multiple letters each press which made loggin in difficult [03:00] Phlosten: i think you're going to know how to solve every LTSP problem by the time you get this working :) === Phlosten2 [n=Phlosten@CPE-60-229-158-165.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:01] huraaah! [03:01] Phlosten2: could it be! [03:01] it is [03:01] indeed === Phlosten2 is very happy [03:01] hooray! very well done mate :) [03:01] although I still need to ctrl-alt-f7 to get login screen [03:01] but that is a small issue [03:03] hmmm [03:03] i opened openoffice from the menu on here, but it opened on the server [03:04] what if you log out on the server? [03:06] ah-ha [03:06] excellent [03:06] i obviously need another user account on the server for the client to use [03:06] brb === Phlosten2 [n=Phlosten@CPE-60-229-158-165.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === Phlosten2 is now known as Phlosten [03:10] i lurv linux! [03:10] and LTSP rocks too! [03:11] :) === Cyorxamp [n=Cyorxamp@82-47-214-52.stb.ubr11.brad.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [03:40] is the next dapper Edubuntu still set for June 1st? [03:40] Cyorxamp: yeah, Edubuntu 6.06 will be released on June 1 [03:41] and thats 'non-flight' ? [03:45] flights are milestone codenames, so yes, you can think of it as "final" === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === Cyorxamp [n=Cyorxamp@82-47-214-52.stb.ubr11.brad.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [03:57] good morning [03:58] 4hi jsgotangco [04:01] hey [04:16] Amaranth, how goes the willow hacking? [04:16] stalled [04:16] some license issues [04:17] Amaranth, the willow.py contains the gpl [04:18] yeah, but i'm not comfortable with the other files not having it [04:18] or a general licensing file, ya [04:18] it has a gpl.txt [04:18] plus the bad content is clearly not gpl === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-90-206.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:19] i think it just a pickled list of words [04:19] the .pickle file? [04:19] wait, yeah [04:19] seems to me that the .pickle file would scale very badly [04:19] those aren't right [04:19] it's got the real webpages [04:19] i never noticed that before [04:20] i hope that's not required for the filter to be trained [04:20] I think it is [04:20] hence the issue I raised earlier [04:20] basically it looks like i'm writing this from scratch [04:20] "hot coffee" Edubuntu anyone? [04:20] hehe [04:21] most of the code is "magic" anyway [04:21] and the basic ideas aren't that hard [04:21] plus there are truly stupid hardcoded things in there [04:22] if i can't get a full bayesian system implemented i can at least do some semantic weighting [04:23] http://rit.mellon.org/awards/ <- we should put Edubuntu up for this [04:23] haha, they run a default plone template [04:24] so does the fsf [04:24] which the plone guys seemingly got from a guy i know [04:24] to be fair, it is not as bad as some defaults [04:25] IT award? [04:25] hmm, this might be a stupid question but what is the difference between plone and a wiki ? [04:26] plone is not open for editing by default? [04:27] a wiki is collaborative way to work on stuff [04:27] plone is about presenting and ordering stuff [04:27] there is overlap, as the wiki needs to display that stuff and thus needs to present and order it too [04:27] Amaranth: if your going to code it from scratch.. id recommend a 'feature' to block by file extention.. ie .dll .exe .bat.. not user if that can be a learned trate [04:28] saugilsr_: sounds like a good idea [04:28] well, ideally, it could be built in an iptables style [04:28] strangely, the wallpaper blends with red [04:29] you have rules you can hook up in any order [04:29] LaserJock: have you seen the wallpaper? [04:29] the artist forgot new zeland [04:30] he must have mistaken it with tasmania [04:33] jsgotangco: the chalkboard one? [04:33] yeah [04:34] anybody know how to add a comment to a doc in OO.o? [04:35] would it be goofy to rot13 the bad domain and url lists so they don't show up in a search? [04:36] what sort of search? [04:36] rot13ing them reduces readability [04:36] someone searching for bad things with, say, locate [04:36] what does dansguardian do? [04:38] dunno, but it uses a naive filter [04:38] at least according to the website [04:38] if a certain word is in a site it's automatically marked as spam [04:38] naive? [04:39] instead of being weighted [04:39] ah [04:39] but what does dansguardian do to prevent the bad url/locate issue [04:39] ? [04:39] i'll look tomorrow [04:39] bed time now [04:40] Amaranth, are you doing soc for edubuntu? [04:40] hopefully [04:40] ah, hence why you are looking at it now [04:41] yeah, i said i could start thursday [04:41] but i got done with school early [04:41] meh i have to do some last minute SoC revivews [04:41] jsgotangco: vote me to the top :) [04:42] Amaranth: the willow spec is already like 3rd heh [04:42] jsgotangco: higher is always better :P === jsgotangco checks [04:44] heh i just voted for it already [04:45] jsgotangco, is it Henrik Omma? [04:45] no ogra will mentor it [04:46] (willow) [04:46] what rank is it? :) [04:46] 4th [04:46] cool [04:47] iirc projects get slots assigned to them tomorrow [04:47] yeah we have 227 applications but it seems we're going to get less than 10 in [04:47] jsgotangco, no, henrik's last name, is it Oma? [04:47] Omma [04:47] eerr less than 20 rather [04:48] ok, check [04:49] there's quite a number of members getting into this year's SoC === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@220.227.211.249] has joined #edubuntu [04:59] Burgundavia: I use Dansguardian at work.. [05:00] hmmm it seems edubuntu-artwork broke [05:02] ekkk no its epiphany! === jsgotangco wonders what's wrong [05:06] Burgundavia: Works really well. Its has weighted words/phrases and blocks sites based on the actual content of the webpage. So for example the word 'breast' alone can have a high weight maybe 50.. but 'breast cancer' will have a low one.. any blocked site/page is redirected to a custom page of your making showing why its was blocked. Or you can just block sites, extensions outright. [05:07] Burgundavia: whats interesting is that by its nature it will also make sure any conversation of web IM is clean.. nice side effect === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-12-146-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [05:09] Phlosten: get my emails ? [05:11] Yagisan, yup [05:11] cheers [05:11] Yagisan: hey [05:11] bbs [05:14] G'day jsgotangco === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-90-206.houston.res.rr.com] has left #edubuntu [] [05:18] jsgotangco: Phlosten: no reportbug mail from either of you yet ? [05:22] no sorry, im just about to install it today [05:30] jsgotangco: no worries. was just checking to make sure I didn't miss any mail [05:32] nice skype installs with no hitches in edubuntu [05:33] (for the deb) [05:34] can't say if its actually usable yet though === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@201.230.230.160] has joined #edubuntu [07:03] P3L|C4N0: welcome [07:03] hi, jsgotangco === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-19-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-245-175.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu [08:15] Hey, all, need an opinion on something... [08:16] HedgeMage, ? [08:16] Hi btw [08:16] In the post-installation chapter in the standalone install section, I cover adding users, applying updates, and configuring email. However, for both Evolution and T-bird, most of my instructions are essentially "fill in the clearly labeled blanks with the information from your ISP or mail server manager" [08:16] think I should go ahead and ditch the sections on email? [08:16] I feel like there's way more text than useful content in that section [08:17] indeed [08:17] cool [08:17] just wanted to make sure I'm not nuts :P [08:17] btw, why aren't you on jabber? :P [08:17] because I cant login, but you can add mario.danicv [08:17] mario.danic@gmail.com [08:17] that works :) [08:18] ahh ok :) [08:18] when it said it didn't change your pw, it really did [08:18] try adding :P [08:18] I told cbx but you weren't here [08:18] I know gtalk is rebranded jabber :P [08:19] yes, now add me :-P [08:25] argh - ebay fucktard shipped my parts in a normal envelope. they been crushed by the mail sorting machines :( [08:25] http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/bad-ebayers/6878430475-scotia4c-back.jpg & http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/bad-ebayers/6878430475-scotia4c-front.jpg [08:26] :( [08:26] HedgeMage: squeaky wheel bump [08:27] hi Yagisan [08:27] that stinks [08:27] Yagisan: can you remind me when I'm on-duty? I'm only in #edubuntu right now and hiding from the masses. [08:28] I was getting so many staff request /msg-es I couldn't get anything done. [08:29] that looks really ugly [08:29] HedgeMage: I don't know when you are on duty, but I'll remind you later [08:29] Yagisan: cool, or you can drop me an email at my freenode addy ( hedgemage@freenode.net ) with your nick, group name and chan(s) etc etc. [08:30] we're kind of halted on GCFs today, hopefully will pick up again tomorrow [08:30] Yagisan, what was in the envelope? [08:30] jsgotangco: yeah, the cunt spent 50 cents on postage, rather then the much higher postage charged [08:30] Phlosten: RAM [08:30] haha yeah - like it will work now [08:30] stupid ebay retards [08:31] well, thats one less thin client to use now [08:31] BTW, my hardware reqs paragraph was on the backup disc that went MIA... can someone remind me what's on the CD jacket so I can rewrite (standalone, not LTSP) [08:31] ebay needs to change the way it displays postage [08:31] should be seperate 'this is postage cost' and 'this is handling cost' [08:32] Yagisan, poo thinclient [08:33] poor [08:33] even o_O === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [08:33] i am trying to source bits for about 8 TC's [08:33] Phlosten: yeah. needed older modules for it too, new ones don't work [08:34] i have enough bits for about 2 [08:34] only 1 spare monitor tho [08:35] no chance of getting my money back either, as it just falls under the cutoff [08:35] bah [08:36] make sure you negative feedback it! [08:36] :( [08:37] and sign his email address up to 100's of spam lists [08:37] roflmao [08:38] i better do some work [08:38] bbl [08:38] hmm. I don't see a stamp on the envelope [08:42] Phlosten: I should have his name and bank details around here somewhere. I wonder if that is enough to do a Nigerian 401 >:) ... [08:42] Phlosten: anyway, I need to take the kids to the doctor. be back later [08:51] Anyone who's interested, see https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Worksheet to note the things in my section that need proofreading. I'm going to spend my last 10 minutes before bad working on my own stuff, I'll be back on Edubuntu tomorrow cleaning up last tidbits and making requested screenshots === HedgeMage waves [08:51] I'm out of here! [09:03] spacey, poke? [09:25] JaneW, poke? [09:25] hi py [09:26] pygi too [09:26] we've got part of Cookbook [09:26] considering I havent heard from highvoltage and spacey for quite some time now... [09:26]