[12:05] <Riddell> jjesse, robotgeek: can you apply this to kubuntu docs? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/DIFF
[12:07] <Riddell> mind get the correct debian/rules file
[12:13] <kwwii> Riddell: do we install any tango icons in kubuntu?
[12:17] <Riddell> kwwii: hell no
[12:19] <kwwii> Riddell: lol, good answer
[12:45] <kwwii> night all
[12:45] <kwwii> bis morgen
[06:34] <crimsun> jdong_: ping
[07:32] <hendry> is printer support broken in kubuntu?
[07:49] <hendry> actually printing setup sort of work
[07:51] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[07:51] <Hobbsee> hi raphink 
[07:51] <raphink> how are you?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> i'm okay, handed in my maths assignment...had a fire drill..
[07:52] <raphink> huhu
[07:58] <pygi> hey Hobbsee, raphink 
[07:58] <raphink> hi pygi
[07:58] <Hobbsee> hi pygi 
[07:59] <pygi> whats up? :)
[07:59] <Hobbsee> the sky.  and traffic.
[08:00] <Hobbsee> did kwwi get the new stuff in?  i want to see what it looks like now :P
[08:03] <raphink> Riddell: gettext doesn't work with pyKDE ?
[08:04] <Sime> raphink: i18n() works with PyKDE.
[08:04] <raphink> Sime: yes I know 
[08:04] <raphink> but language-selector uses gettext so far
[08:04] <raphink> and it doesn't work
[08:10] <raphink> Sime: what's the lib for i18n?
[08:10] <Sime> raphink: the same as it is in C++.
[08:10] <raphink> which is?
[08:10] <Sime> kdecore (I think)
[08:11] <raphink> ok
[08:11] <raphink> thanks
[08:13] <raphink> hmpf
[08:36] <Hobbsee> raphink: you around?
[08:36] <raphink> yes 
[08:36] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/38356
[08:36] <Hobbsee> how do i see if that's still applicable?
[08:36] <Hobbsee> is there some easy way to tell?
[08:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38356 in konversation "Is not creating a .pot file on build time" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[08:37] <Hobbsee> like a post-inst log, or something?
[08:37] <raphink> I'd say run debuild on the package and track the pot in po/
[08:37] <Hobbsee> how do i track the pot in po/?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> er, it look's like Rid*dell's already done that...but how do you do it anyway?
[08:38] <raphink> wait I have to hurry
[08:38] <Hobbsee> okay
[08:38] <Hobbsee> dont worry then
[08:38] <raphink> I have to take a train this morning
[08:40] <Hobbsee> go for it
[08:41] <raphink> (I'm moving to the French Riviera, visiting a flat there tomorrow :))
[08:42] <Hobbsee> ooh fun :)
[08:43] <hendry> what is that kubuntu live Installer tool called again?
[08:43] <crimsun> espresso/ubiquity
[08:43] <Hobbsee> hendry: ubiquity?
[08:43] <hendry> so i report bugs against that?
[08:44] <Hobbsee> i think so...
[08:44] <Hobbsee> apparently there are a lot of bugs against it...
[08:44] <Hobbsee> so if you find a section with a lot of bugs that isnt firefox - that's where you want it :)
[08:53] <raphink> lol
[08:55] <Hobbsee> is https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/34992 likely to be upstream?
[08:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34992 in konversation "Name with ampersand appears with underscore in menus" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[08:56] <crimsun> I'd think so
[08:59] <Hobbsee> okay
[09:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you around?
[12:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: is there actually a problem with bug 43788?
[12:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43788 in kubuntu-default-settings "Maintainers kmix session was included in the settings" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43788
[12:53] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure - i couldnt really tell whether it should be there, or not...
[12:53] <Hobbsee> i couldnt see any difference
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[12:56] <Riddell> it's needed to start kmix on first boot
[12:56] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[03:02] <Hobbsee> why is bug-killing far more fun than maths assignments?
[03:02] <Riddell> :)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: besides, it gives me a great excuse to watch a dvd :P
[03:12] <Hobbsee> argh...what's the best way to get a changelog between two versions of a kde program?
[03:14] <freeflying> Hobbsee: diff 
[03:14] <Hobbsee> freeflying: good point.  this is kaffiene in particular, it's suggested in a bug report to get a sync
[03:15] <freeflying> Hobbsee: kaffeine is buggy  )
[03:15] <Hobbsee> freeflying: true, dapper got a new version, which is supposed to be less buggy.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kaffeine/kaffeine_0.8.1-2/changelog is their changelog
[03:16] <freeflying> Hobbsee: 0.8 has more improvement on UI, but not on application itself
[03:16] <Hobbsee> ah okay..
[03:17] <Hobbsee> someone did a good job with these kaffiene bugs - they've been triaged nicely
[03:17] <freeflying> Hobbsee: prefer to kmplayer, it's stabler than kaffeine
[03:17] <Hobbsee> OdyX: you did a great job on them :)
[03:18] <OdyX> Hobbsee: on which ?
[03:18] <OdyX> Hobbsee: going through bugs ?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> OdyX: kaffiene bugs
[03:18] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:18] <Hobbsee> and whatever else i havent seen yet ;P
[03:18] <OdyX> ;-9
[03:18] <Hobbsee> in celebration for finishing that darned maths assignment
[03:19] <OdyX> Just select one package and view its bugs... Then copy-paste "Does this still happen for you on latest Dapper? If no, please close the bug." 
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah, i know
[03:19] <OdyX> At the same time, mark as "Needs info"
[03:19] <OdyX> After 1 week, mark as "Fix released" and say "feel free to re-open.. :D
[03:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:23] <OdyX> and don't forget to tae a view on +karma :D
[03:23] <OdyX> Well.. Leaving. Practicals to do in ASM-Motorolla-ColdFire
[03:23] <Hobbsee> OdyX: so when will you get really brave?  :P
[03:23] <OdyX> really brave ?
[03:24] <OdyX> means = "packaging" ?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> OdyX: let me find them...
[03:24] <Hobbsee> OdyX: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs-search?field.distribution=ubuntu&field.sourcepackagename=kdebase&search=Search
[03:24] <OdyX> Well.. soon
[03:25] <OdyX> when raphink ends the translation of "packaging-guide" ;-)
[03:25] <OdyX> Well.. Have to go... 
[03:25] <OdyX> See ya..
[03:26] <Hobbsee> cya
[03:28] <Hobbsee> oh dear, i spoke too early about my sound...
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: would you be able to shine some light on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/43059 ?
[03:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43059 in kdebase "When adding network printer wizard chooses wrong subnet for scanning" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[03:31] <Riddell> I guess it's searching loopback stuff instead of the real network
[03:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: do you have a network printer?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: reproducable every single time
[03:33] <Riddell> you could try it on localhost:431 I guess to see if it's a cups problem or kde problem
[03:33] <Riddell> but I suspect it's a kde problem
[03:33] <jjesse> Hobbsee: it looks for subnet: 127.0.0.*:9100
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where do i specify that?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yes, exactly
[03:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: any web browser
[03:35] <Hobbsee> An error occurred while loading http://localhost:431:
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Could not connect to host localhost (port 431).
[03:36] <Riddell> hmm, curious
[03:36] <Riddell> maybe CUPS's web frontend has been turned off
[03:36] <Riddell> well you could try with gnome-cups-foo
[03:42] <Hobbsee> huh?
[03:44] <jjesse> Riddell: i think the problem is that when i select scan for printers it is looking at the 127.0.0.X subnet instead of the subnet that the primary eth connection is on
[03:44] <jjesse> is that correct Hobbsee?
[03:45] <Riddell> I'm just wondering if that's a KDE problem or a CUPS problem
[03:45] <Hobbsee> jjesse: the submet that the primary eth is on is also known as the gateway, i take it?
[03:47] <jjesse> Hobbsee: it should be
[03:48] <Hobbsee> yes, that's correct then
[03:49] <Riddell> no
[03:49] <Riddell> the subnet is the local network, the gateway is a device on that network that you route through to access the internet
[03:50] <Hobbsee> oh
[03:50] <Hobbsee> okay, maybe i'm getting myself confused then
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: our printer has an IP address of 192.168.50.205 - yet it always tries to scan 127.0.0.*:9100
[03:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: even with gnome-cups-thing?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: interesting.  the kde print wizard thing will find it, if you select "remote cups server" as localhost, with port 631
[03:53] <Hobbsee> *double checks*
[03:53] <Hobbsee> i didnt try that - didnt want gnome stuff all over my system...
[03:54] <Riddell> doh, I got the cups port number wrong
[03:54] <Hobbsee> no, wait.  ignore that.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:54] <Hobbsee> so what port is it supposed to be?
[03:54] <Riddell> so it's probably a kde bug, maybe we'll get that cups 1.2 SoC project approved and that guy can fix it
[03:55] <Hobbsee> okay
[03:56] <Hobbsee> crud!
[03:56] <Riddell> hmm, firefox has stopped loading up
[03:56] <Riddell> there's a word my bad language hilights don't catch
[03:57] <Hobbsee> yes, it was a substitute bad word :P
[03:57] <Hobbsee> *crosses fingers*
[03:58] <Hobbsee> okay, this thing hates me!
[03:59] <Hobbsee> lovely.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's stopped sigseiving after scanning, and selecting the printer, and now just doesnt bring up any list of drivers or printers at all.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> ahh, more cupsys :)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> we'll see if *this* lot works!
[04:08] <Hobbsee> oh good!
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, it's working again :)
[04:11] <Riddell> cool!
[04:11] <Riddell> good job Hobbsee, keep it up :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hehe - i just upgraded - i didnt fix anything...
[04:15] <jjesse> Hobbsee: sorry was away from my desk, did the probelm you were having get solved?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah, seemed that it was fixed with the upgrades that came in tonight...
[04:15] <Hobbsee> the kde driver database wasnt being created...
[04:16] <Hobbsee> got no idea about the other thing though - seems that's upstream
[04:16] <jjesse> did you get the problem solved with scanning the correct subnet?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> no
[04:17] <Hobbsee> er, why is system settings always single click?  is it supposed to be?
[04:18] <Riddell> that's how it's programmed
[04:19] <Riddell> I guess it should respect the file manager click mode setting
[04:19] <Hobbsee> right, so the wishlist one can stay...
[04:19] <Hobbsee> *marks the other as a duplicate*
[04:19] <Hobbsee> these system settings bugs are scary...
[04:20] <OculusAquilae> what about bug #44244 ?
[04:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44244 in wlassistant "No Translation Templates for WlAssistant in Rosetta" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44244
[04:20] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: shouldn't be a hard one to fix if you want to give it a shot
[04:20] <OculusAquilae> same for keep and kwin-style-crystal
[04:21] <OculusAquilae> right
[04:21] <OculusAquilae> the problem is that I have no idea how :)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae: i found a howto on that earlier :)
[04:22] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu
[04:22] <Riddell> see Generating .pot files
[04:22] <Hobbsee> that one too
[04:23] <Riddell> you need to play with the patch
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that detail was copied, it's now also in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[04:23] <Riddell> not all admin directories are the same
[04:24] <Riddell> interesting
[04:24] <freeflying> Riddell: any idea for import many pos into rosetta
[04:26] <Riddell> freeflying: ask carlos?
[04:27] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ooh yay!  found another crash in kopete!
[04:30] <jjesse> if the last comment on bug #44460 is "Seems to be a duplicate of " another bug by the person who filed the bug can i mark it as a duplicate?
[04:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44460 in kdeutils "my wallet in kwallet disappeared, but the file is still there" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44460
[04:31] <Riddell> jjesse: if it really is a duplicate sure
[04:32] <Hobbsee> *changes jabber account*
[04:33] <jjesse> looking at the bug the orignial requestor links to it is the same issue
[04:34] <jjesse> hmm don't see duplicate as a status i can set it to :(
[04:34] <Riddell> oh it's down the side somewhere
[04:34] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: hm wlassistant seems to have a wlassistant.pot-file by default in source
[04:34] <jjesse> found it
[04:34] <Hobbsee> jjesse: it's there, really :P
[04:35] <jjesse> i was looking under status
[04:36] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: poke carlos then to see why it's not imported
[04:36] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: wlassistant was only recently moved to main could be the reason
[04:37] <OculusAquilae> ok
[04:51] <Riddell> jjesse: could you apply this patch to kubuntu/debian/rules http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/DIFF
[04:52] <jjesse> Riddell: sure hold on
[04:52] <jjesse> in both trunk and branches?
[04:53] <Riddell> err, I'm not sure how trunk is being kept in sync with branch
[04:53] <Riddell> probably not worth bothering to do so just now
[04:54] <jjesse> ok i'll make sure they are in sync
[04:56] <Riddell> cool
[05:00] <Hobbsee> oh well, at least that's some bugs killed...
[05:03] <jjesse> Riddell: i'm getting "Missing header for unified diff at line 3 of patch"
[05:05] <Riddell> apply by hand?
[05:06] <jjesse> ok
[05:06] <Riddell> although it does have a perfectly good header
[05:06] <jjesse> maybe i'm typing the syntax wrong, can you help me with that :)
[05:07] <jjesse> its just patch -p0 file.diff file correct?
[05:08] <Riddell> it's done relative to the kubuntu/ directory
[05:08] <Riddell> then  patch -p0 < file.diff
[05:08] <jjesse> ah that's my problem i was in kubuntu/debian
[05:08] <Riddell> the < is important
[05:08] <Riddell> if you're in kubuntu/debian it's -p1
[05:16] <jjesse> hmm still not working, "Hunk #1 FAILED at 31
[05:16] <jjesse> grumble
[06:31] <Taya> hi, anyone can help me with adding some default language in kde(kubuntu)?
[06:32] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-xx
[06:32] <Riddell> set it in systemsettings
[06:32] <Taya> i have it installed
[06:32] <Riddell> something like  sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales  to set the default for all users
[06:32] <Taya> how can i set it in system settings
[06:33] <Riddell> kmenu->system settings->regional
[06:33] <Taya> i can;t choose anything , only english, in system settings/regional an accessibilities/country region & langiages
[06:33] <Taya> there is only english
[06:33] <Riddell> what's the language?
[06:34] <Taya> georgian
[06:34] <Taya> i did this reconfigure locales, but still the same..
[06:34] <Riddell> do you have language-pack-kde-ka installed?
[06:34] <Taya> yes
[06:35] <Taya> i had it before, as i also have gnome, and in gnome lots of things are in georgian
[06:35] <Taya> then i installe kubuntu(over gnome), and i have somethings in georgian, but very little, and i can't set up there georgian language..
[06:35] <Taya> cause I am uploading georgian trsnalations, and want to check how it lookes.
[06:36] <Taya> i need to have kubuntu in georgian..
[06:36] <Riddell> if you had gnome before you'll have language-pack-gnome-ka but not language-pack-kde-ka installed
[06:36] <Taya> i installed it myself today
[06:36] <Taya> from repository:
[06:36] <Taya> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2006-May/000537.html
[06:36] <Taya> that's daily updated 
[06:38] <Taya> i have installed both, for gnome and for kde too.
[06:38] <Riddell> I see the problem
[06:38] <Riddell> KDE doesn't have language packs for georgian so there's no ./usr/share/locale-langpack/ka/entry.desktop
[06:39] <Taya> http://taya.convert.ge/snapshot17.png
[06:40] <Taya> ok, so what should i do to have georgian kde?
[06:42] <Riddell> we need an entry.desktop file in /usr/share/locale-langpack/ka
[06:42] <Riddell> but it seems to also need something translated, possibly kdelibs.po
[06:43] <Taya> i nede to create it myself?
[06:43] <Taya> yes it's translated, i have almost all kde, i just nee to upload it to kubuntu rozetta
[06:43] <Riddell> Taya: for now you will, I can talk to the language packs maintainer to get it in language-pack-kde-ka
[06:44] <Taya> i have: /usr/share/locale/ka/LC_MESSAGES
[06:44] <Taya> already
[06:44] <Taya> so why it doens't work?
[06:44] <Riddell> but anything in /usr/share/locale/ka/ ?
[06:44] <Taya> one folder: LC_MESSAGES
[06:44] <Taya> and 3 files inthere:
[06:44] <Riddell> yes, it also needs the file /usr/share/locale/ka/entry.desktop
[06:45] <Taya> iso_3166.mo
[06:45] <Taya> iso_639.mo
[06:45] <Taya> poeit.mp
[06:45] <Taya> mp=mo
[06:45] <Riddell> I need to work out how to get that in the package
[06:45] <Taya> poeit.mo
[06:45] <Taya> in gnome(ubuntu) georgian is already very long time....
[06:45] <Riddell> Taya: I need to go out now but please report a bug on launchpad.net and subscribe me (jr)
[06:45] <Riddell> and poke me if I don't get it fixed soon
[06:46] <Taya> hmm.. ok, but i am new to louchpad.. don't know if i can do that ;)
[06:46] <Taya> we;ll see
[06:46] <AlinuxOS> Taya, where is the problem?
[06:46] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-ka/+filebug
[06:46] <Riddell> and in the mean time keep translating and uploading
[06:47] <Riddell> AlinuxOS: we're missing two things that KDE needs, firstly the translations and secondly a file /usr/share/locale-langpack/ka/entry.desktop
[06:47] <AlinuxOS> Riddell, ah ok. I understand in GNOME no problems.
[06:47] <Riddell> which is missing because KDE doesn't have any language packs for georgian
[06:47] <AlinuxOS> so it's better to file a bug right?
[06:47] <Riddell> yes, KDE is special like this
[06:47] <Riddell> AlinuxOS: please do
[06:49] <Taya> yes i willbut when will it be fixed?
[06:49] <AlinuxOS> so Taya you must file a bug against language-pack-kde-ka
[06:49] <Taya> ok, where , and how?
[06:49] <AlinuxOS> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-ka/+filebug
[06:49] <AlinuxOS> as Riddell said
[06:50] <AlinuxOS> just explane your situation: that there is no language packs for georgian
[06:50] <AlinuxOS> but continue to import KDE files.
[06:51] <AlinuxOS> KDE devel team is fast to solve this genre of bugs
[06:51] <AlinuxOS> Righ Riddell? :)
[06:52] <Taya> ok let's see how quick it will be solved :))))))))))))
[06:56] <Riddell> Taya: I'll try and get it fixed as soon as I can :)
[06:56] <Taya> ok, bug is reported ;)
[06:57] <Taya> how can i track this bug?
[06:57] <AlinuxOS> Taya, good :)
[06:58] <AlinuxOS> it's open source community :) not M$ !
[06:58] <AlinuxOS> in open source community we are faster :)
[06:58] <Taya> i know, and i like it :)
[06:58] <Riddell> Taya: you will be subscribed to it when you reported it so you'll get e-mails of changes
[06:58] <Riddell> Taya: thanks for helping with kubuntu
[06:58] <Taya> and also, i have some other problems in kubuntu.. should i post it here?
[06:58] <AlinuxOS> Taya, gender m/f ? :)
[06:59] <Taya> alinux: reebs mekitxebi?
[06:59] <Taya> lol
[06:59] <AlinuxOS> :)
[06:59] <AlinuxOS> I know I know :)
[06:59] <Taya> i have laptop: asus w5a00
[06:59] <Taya> already 1 year
[06:59] <Taya> and sound card was not working in any linux distributions till now.
[07:00] <Taya> i installed 6.06 ubuntu about a week ago, and i was surptrized it was working !!
[07:00] <Taya> but in kubuntu - volume up/down/mute keys are not working
[07:00] <Taya> they are working in gnome/ubuntu, but not in kde/kubuntu
[07:01] <Taya> lspci sais: 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[07:01] <Taya> though, sound and mic are working fine in kubuntu, just not the keys..
[07:02] <Taya> anyone can help with this?
[07:02] <Riddell> Taya: laptop keys are something that Kubuntu is often weak in, I plan to work a lot in that area for the next version
[07:02] <Taya> ah, and next versions is 6.10 or before?
[07:02] <Riddell> 6.10 yes
[07:02] <Riddell> Edgy
[07:03] <Taya> hmm.. not before?
[07:03] <Taya> i was waiting my laptop to have sound already one year.....
[07:03] <Taya> :)
[07:03] <Riddell> ubuntu has mjg59 working hard on laptop support, kubuntu doesn't have anyone
[07:04] <Taya> and also my bloetooth is not working, dont know why yet.... and i have to test my webcam also ;)
[07:04] <Taya> i will report here if smth will not be working ;) bu bluetooth already is not. ;(
[07:04] <Riddell> but if you can help us with testing then I've sure we'll get it working before october
[07:04] <uniq> taya: you can try system settings -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard -> tick "enable keyboard layouts" - Now select Laptop/something in the list, might work for you.
[07:04] <Taya> sure, on my laptop i can test :) i am using kubuntu and like it very much (after i can hear some sounds...)
[07:04] <uniq> taya: the list = keyboard model list.
[07:05] <Taya> uniq> ai already have georgian keyboard layoyts
[07:05] <Taya> :)
[07:05] <uniq> taya: ok, then just select some laptop keyboard from the list of keyboard models. Laptop/Inspiron have worked for me on several laptops.
[07:06] <uniq> later riddell.
[07:07] <Taya> wait
[07:07] <Taya> ther eis no keyboard menu, there is: keyboard layout, and keyboard shortcuts
[07:07] <Taya> and none of them have menu to choose from keyboard type..
[07:08] <Taya> ah wait, i found it
[07:08] <Taya> ah YES!
[07:09] <Taya> i choose laptop/notebook compaq presario, laptop keyboard
[07:09] <Taya> and now my sound/on/off/mute keys are working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:09] <Taya> thx
[07:09] <Taya> no ;(
[07:10] <Taya> mute is not working :(
[07:11] <Taya> ok i will try diffreent laptop kbs..
[07:12] <Taya> mute still not working..
[07:13] <Taya> an one more thing:
[07:14] <Taya> in kubuntu (not in ubuntu) time after time it appears soe  little screen saying LCD mode on / off or smth like this
[07:14] <Taya> my laptop has also plug for monitor, an for video out or smth ..
[07:15] <Taya> can we fix it?
[07:16] <allee> Taya: what's your bluetooth problem (I've bt mouse and idsn device working here)
[07:16] <Taya> it is not working.
[07:16] <Taya> ;)
[07:16] <Taya> i ahveinstalled kbluetoothd
[07:16] <Taya> and it sais: no adapter
[07:17] <allee> open an console and run: hciconfig
[07:17] <allee> konsole that is
[07:18] <allee> What bt adapter do you use?  Build in, usb bt stick?
[07:18] <Taya> buil-in
[07:18] <Taya> build-in
[07:18] <Taya> ok i did, what should happen?
[07:19] <allee> hciconfig returned nothing?
[07:20] <Taya> yep, nothing
[07:20] <Taya> root@Taya:/home/taya# hciconfig
[07:20] <Taya> root@Taya:/home/taya#
[07:21] <allee> Taya: Are you sure you buildin adapter is switched on?  (E.g. my Dell has a Fn-F2 hotkey to turn it on/off)
[07:21] <Taya> yes it's on
[07:21] <Taya> cause it's bin to wifi
[07:21] <Taya> there is one switch for them
[07:21] <Taya> and right now i am usind intenet via wifi
[07:21] <allee> Ah, bad :( ...
[07:22] <allee> I would like to see what's happening when ...
[07:22] <Taya> when?
[07:22] <allee> tail -f /var/log/kern.log; # now switch bt/wiki of/on
[07:22] <allee> wifi that is
[07:23] <Taya> hmm. i will get offline then..
[07:23] <Taya> ok brb
[07:23] <AlinuxOS> :)
[07:24] <Taya> strange
[07:24] <Taya> this swith is not working...
[07:24] <Taya> even when i turn it off, internet (i.e. wifi) is still working..
[07:24] <Taya> strange..
[07:24] <allee> Taya: laptop model?
[07:25] <Taya> and in kern.log only these errors allll the time: 
[07:25] <Taya> status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.508000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.608000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.608000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.708000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.708000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:01 localhost kernel: [4303715.808000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:01 localhost kernel: [4303715.808000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> May 17 21:25:01 localhost kernel: [4303715.908000]  Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status
[07:25] <Taya> asus w5a00
[07:25] <Taya> wait, i will post here link (of laptop)
[07:25] <allee> Taya: grep /var/log/daemon.log | grep hcid | tail -20
[07:27] <Taya> huh, tough job.. still thinking..
[07:27] <allee> Taya: oh, no my error
[07:27] <allee> Taya: grep hcid /var/log/daemon.log | tail -20
[07:28] <allee> use kubuntu.paste.com to paste the data and post URL here
[07:28] <Taya> root@Taya:/home/taya# grep hcid /var/log/daemon.log | tail -20
[07:28] <Taya> May 15 23:04:28 localhost hcid[4701] : Bluetooth HCI daemon
[07:28] <Taya> May 15 23:04:28 localhost hcid[4701] : Can't get system message bus name: Connection ":1.1" is not allowed to own the service "org.bluez" due to security policies in the configuration file
[07:28] <Taya> May 16 20:35:07 localhost hcid[4701] : Exit.
[07:28] <Taya> May 16 20:36:50 localhost hcid[4383] : Bluetooth HCI daemon
[07:28] <Taya> May 16 20:36:51 localhost hcid[4383] : Can't get system message bus name: Connection ":1.1" is not allowed to own the service "org.bluez" due to security policies in the configuration file
[07:28] <Taya> May 17 09:24:28 localhost hcid[4383] : Exit.
[07:28] <Taya> May 17 09:25:41 localhost hcid[4399] : Bluetooth HCI daemon
[07:28] <Taya> May 17 09:25:41 localhost hcid[4399] : Can't get system message bus name: Connection ":1.1" is not allowed to own the service "org.bluez" due to security policies in the configuration file
[07:29] <allee> kbluetooth does not use dbus yet.
[07:29] <allee> remove the tail -20 and post messages that are different
[07:30] <Taya> how should i paste??
[07:31] <allee> look at http://kubuntu.paste.com and paste the data in the text field.  Submit it and post URL that is returned
[07:32] <Taya> http://pastebin.com/722978
[07:32] <abattoir> allee kubuntu.pastebin.com ?
[07:33] <allee> abattoir: yes of course, sorry
[07:33] <allee> abattoir: bookmarks are not helpful for remembering URL ;)
[07:33] <abattoir> hehe :) 
[07:33] <allee> the bookmark manager knows them, me not
[07:34] <allee> Taya: without the tail -20.  The messages show are not helpful
[07:34] <Taya> ??
[07:35] <Taya>  root@Taya:/home/taya# grep hcid /var/log/daemon.log | tail -20
[07:37] <allee> only: grep hcid /var/log/daemon.log
[07:38] <Taya> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/722995
[07:38] <allee> Taya: output of: uptime
[07:39] <Taya> 21:39:40 up  2:45,  3 users,  load average: 0.62, 0.92, 0.89
[07:42] <allee> have you multiple session/monitors running?
[07:42] <Taya> not now..
[07:43] <allee> Taya: it's strange that there's nothing about an adapter in the log ...
[07:44] <allee> Taya: maybe the adapter is switch off by default in BIOS?  (without working hotkey, you can't turn it on and linxu kernel will not see it)
[07:44] <Taya> no, i have windouws too, and in windows it's working.
[07:46] <Taya> and what about lcd monitor problem?
[07:46] <allee> does 'lsusb -v | grep -i blue' list something?
[07:47] <Taya> no
[07:47] <allee> Taya: did you have a look at the LaptopTesting pages in wiki.ubuntu.com?
[07:48] <allee> and dmidecode | grep -i blue?
[07:48] <Taya> not now, sound was not working, and about one year ago, i was searching for something abou tsound.. but now, i just installed ubuntu and was surprized and happy sound was working.
[07:48] <Taya> i ahve not searched for anything yet..
[07:48] <Taya> root@Taya:/home/taya# dmidecode | grep -i blue
[07:48] <Taya>         Internal Reference Designator: CN12 - BLUETOOTH
[07:52] <Taya> laptop details: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/ASUS_W5_Laptops/prod.asp
[07:54] <Taya> allee??
[07:57] <Taya> ...
[07:58] <allee> Taya: sorry.  My user here has proble with an printout.  later ..
[07:58] <Taya> ok.....
[08:07] <jjesse> Riddell: i never got that patch to commit for teh docs
[08:11] <apachelogger> http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/74/66/
[08:12] <OculusAquilae> http://www.thekatapult.org.uk cracked :(
[08:25] <allee> Taya: dmesg | grep -i blue   # or grep -i blue /var/log/kern.log{,.0}
[08:26] <abattoir> the mood bar has been enabled in the amarok package... nice :) 
[08:27] <Taya> dmesg | grep -i blue >> nonw
[08:27] <Taya> none
[08:27] <Taya> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/723107
[08:28] <yuriy> hi, i'm trying to get the source to the current kaffeine in dapper, but I can't get it to build, am i doing something wrong:
[08:29] <yuriy> i downloaded .orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz, extracted the orig, ran "zcat ../kaffeine_0.7.1-1.3ubuntu8.diff.gz | patch -p1"
[08:31] <yuriy> without the patch it compiles, but with the patch i get this:   make[2] : Nothing to be done for `all-am'.       make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1      make: *** [all]  Error 2    *** Exited with status: 2 ***
[08:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[08:51] <apachelogger> anyone with admin access to kubuntu.org around?
[08:58] <kwwii> hehe, got another update for amarok?
[08:58] <kwwii> Riddell is probably hiding from you :-)
[08:59] <apachelogger> kwwii: no, finall 1.4.0 is out :P
[08:59] <apachelogger> *finally
[08:59] <kwwii> :-)
[09:09] <allee> Taya: pah, I've checked on a laptop without BT and kern.log msg are the same
[09:11] <allee> Taya:  grep -i firm  /var/log/kern.log{,.0}
[09:12] <allee> Taya: best (fwiw) guess I have is still that BT is disabled by default in BIOS.  Just that Windows driver enables it on startup
[09:14] <Taya> ok, so i have to enable it in bios?
[09:14] <allee> Taya: it's just a guess. Other possibility is that the buildin BT chip is not supported at all
[09:15] <allee> Taya: At least I know I can set BT to off in BIOS with my Dell D600 (and switch later on via hotkey)
[09:17] <Taya> ok i will try later and report here. (probably it will be tomorrow, as it's late night now, and i will go to sleep soon..)
[09:39] <kmon> kwwii: did you change today the bg of kubuntu kdm?
[09:40] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[09:40] <Tonio_> mornfall_: ping ?
[09:40] <kwwii> kmon: well, last night, but yeah
[09:40] <kmon> you forgot to update the screenshot files & preview file ;)
[09:41] <kmon> nothing important...
[09:41] <kmon> i've just noticed
[09:41] <kwwii> ouch
[09:41] <kwwii> I even made an xcf for that purpose
[09:41] <kwwii> ok, will do...thanks for the tip
[09:42] <kmon> I assumed it wasn't worth a bug in launchpad.
[09:43] <kwwii> well, it is easily fixed
[09:48] <Tonio_> hi kwwii, kmon
[09:48] <kwwii> hi Tonio_
[09:48] <kwwii> Tonio_: how's things?
[09:49] <kmon> hi Tonio_
[09:49] <jjesse> hiya Tonio_
[09:49] <Tonio_> kwwii: quite nicelly ;) except my laptop has a ---reallt--- strange hardware issue
[09:49] <Tonio_> really
[09:50] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[09:50] <Tonio_> kwwii: and you ? just saw the new backgrounds, really ince :)
[09:50] <allee> Tonio_: pong
[09:50] <Tonio_> allee: you told me toma is working on codeine source code right ?
[09:51] <allee> yes. but I've seen no commit's in last 36 hours
[09:52] <Tonio_> allee: okay, I just wanted to know if he intends to become new upstream since old one apparently stopped maintaining it 
[09:52] <allee> AFAIU pkgs work.  It's need a go at debina/copyrigh
[09:52] <Tonio_> allee: it is really nice, more stable than kaffeine, and doesn't crash konq
[09:52] <Tonio_> allee: it would be a perfect default player for edgy
[09:52] <allee> Tonio_: not Howels revived it
[09:52] <Tonio_> allee: he started again ? nice ;)
[09:52] <allee> s/not/no,/
[09:52] <allee> yes :) :)
[09:53] <Tonio_> allee: that's very nice to ear ;) it needs a few improvements, but the base is really excellent.......
[09:53] <Tonio_> allee: I don't think kaffeine will be stable someday, and since upstream seems to be interested to add audio, encoding functions etc.....
[09:53] <Tonio_> latest version is a mess, really
[09:53] <allee> Tonio_: honestly kaffeine is too complicated for me!
[09:54] <Tonio_> allee: I agree, we need a simpler player
[09:55] <Tonio_> allee: kaffeine is too buggy too....
[09:55] <kmon> my laptop's fan stops randomly :(
[09:55] <Tonio_> kmon: my laptop doesn't restart randomly :(((
[09:55] <allee> Tonio_: about default config: Installed a laptop from scratch in german.  nevertheless when I enter country/Region & language, language is US English and Country/region 'C'
[09:55] <Tonio_> and sometimt doesn't want to start at all
[09:56] <Tonio_> allee: and ?
[09:56] <allee> Tonio_: looks like it picks up from defaults  (nevertheless desktop is in german)
[09:56] <kwwii> allee: I have the same bug
[09:56] <Tonio_> allee: very strange.......; what version did you install ?
[09:56] <kwwii> I installed like that to test it
[09:56] <allee> Tonio_: I expected Language set to german and country/region Germany
[09:56] <kwwii> and now I cannot change it
[09:57] <Tonio_> allee: is it for ALL kubuntu or just kde ?
[09:57] <allee> Tonio_: cd from 15 May afair
[09:57] <kwwii> Tonio_: btw...did you remove all the profiles from konqi?
[09:57] <Tonio_> kwwii: yes ;)
[09:57] <kwwii> Tonio_: well, there is a but now that konqi will not start
[09:58] <Tonio_> allee: is gwenview in english too ?
[09:58] <Tonio_> just a test :)
[09:58] <allee> Tonio_: /etc/environment is right.  Desktop is in German.  But the kcm module settings are wrong
[09:58] <kwwii> I think we need to leave at least the simple "web-browsing" and "file manager" profiles in
[09:58] <Tonio_> allee: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[09:59] <Tonio_> allee: it would be nice if I could have a look at your desktop to really understand whare is the issue
[09:59] <kwwii> I do not even have the possiblity to change it to anything else
[09:59] <Tonio_> allee: would you be okay for a 5 minutes vnc session ?
[09:59] <kwwii> only en packages are installed
[09:59] <allee> Tonio_: I assume (well wild guess) that if nothing is set it uses LC_* LANGUAGE stuff. But kcm module is not that flexible
[10:00] <Tonio_> kwwii: did you try to use the language support tool ?
[10:00] <kwwii> what is that?
[10:00] <kwwii> I tried to change my settings in "system preferences"
[10:00] <allee> Tonio_: everything is German and works.  It's just the kcm module that shows different value.
[10:00] <kwwii> my base system is German
[10:00] <Tonio_> kwwii: a kubutu tool to manage languages packs and set default value
[10:00] <kwwii> ahhhh
[10:01] <kwwii> nope, never tried that
[10:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: try it ;)
[10:01] <kwwii> I learn 10 new things about ubuntu every day
[10:01] <kwwii> and I have to say this now:
[10:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: hehe
[10:01] <allee> I assume your desktop is french? :)  So just create a new user. log in.  goto country/region and language settings.  I'm sure you find the same as I did.  English defaults
[10:01] <kwwii> I like working with the kubuntu people a lot more than the ubuntu ones
[10:01] <Tonio_> allee: did you check your config in that tool too ?
[10:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: hu ? is that that different ?
[10:02] <allee> kwwii: maybe we don't hug that often like ubuntu? :)
[10:02] <Tonio_> allee: okay let me test this
[10:02] <kwwii> dude, they have an irc channel and mailing list just for the artwork stuff
[10:02] <kwwii> artwork by commitee sucks
[10:04] <Tonio_> allee: no pb here.......
[10:04] <Tonio_> allee: would you like me to look at your desktop with vnc maybe ?
[10:04] <Tonio_> that could help....
[10:06] <Tonio_> hum; okay, I have english default yes
[10:06] <Tonio_> but I can change it to french
[10:07] <allee> Tonio_: no, campus firewall
[10:08] <Tonio_> allee: okay I know
[10:08] <allee> Tonio_: yes I can also change to german and deutsch.  It's just strange that this is not already selected
[10:08] <Tonio_> allee: it is not a bug but a usability issuie
[10:08] <Tonio_> you cannot change laguage since you dont't have langpacks installed
[10:08] <allee> Tonio_: I would say that low prio, yes
[10:08] <Tonio_> then when you select another language, it keeps printing english
[10:08] <Tonio_> allee: install the german langpacks, then you will be able to change
[10:09] <Tonio_> and concerning english printed at first launch, this is because the file isn't defined in your .kde
[10:09] <Tonio_> allee: use the language support in K menu / System
[10:09] <Tonio_> install german support, and you will be able to change in kcm module
[10:09] <allee> Tonio_: no. everything working already in german.  The installation did everything right.  It's just that the kcm module does not reflect the changes that KDE is actually using already ;)
[10:10] <allee> s/changes/settings/
[10:10] <Tonio_> allee: hum....... in fact that can be due to the fact we currently have 2 langpacks.....
[10:10] <Tonio_> the ones built by pitti and the kde ones
[10:10] <Tonio_> allee: may I have a look via vnc or not ?
[10:10] <Tonio_> just o compare with my config 
[10:10] <Tonio_> since it works here
[10:11] <allee> Tonio_: you can't. The tcp connection has to be esthabisheled from here.  Sorry.  Screenshot?
[10:11] <Tonio_> allee: can you come on my computer then ?
[10:12] <allee> Tonio_: yes, for outgoing almost nothing is blocked
[10:13] <Tonio_> allee: pv
[10:23] <Tonio_> allee: I agree that's irritating ;)
[10:35] <pygi> Riddell, poke
[10:46] <kwwii> hrm, why doesn't my kmail do spell chekcing anymore?
[10:46] <kwwii> it says I need to add either ispell or aspell to my path
[10:46] <kwwii> but I have aspell-en installed
[10:47] <kwwii> kwwii@isaac:~$ which aspell
[10:47] <kwwii> /usr/bin/aspell
[10:47] <kwwii> kwwii@isaac:~$ echo $PATH
[10:47] <kwwii> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[10:48] <kwwii> drunkenlogger: what the fsck is up with this amarok crap? (/me loves giving drunk people shit)
[10:49] <drunkenlogger> which amaroK crap?
[10:49] <kwwii> sorry, just seeing if I could provoke you :-)
[10:49] <kwwii> I note how you spell it correctly, nicely done :-)
[10:49] <pygi> kwwii, will you be able to provide me assistance with artwork for bzr-ui? :)
[10:49] <kwwii> bzr-ui?
[10:50] <kwwii> what is it?
[10:50] <drunkenlogger> kwwii: peeh, after working 4 days, day and night (with less than enough sleep) provking me is quite hard :P
[10:50] <kwwii> drunkenlogger: lol, I know the feeling
[10:50] <kwwii> congrats on getting the release out the door
[10:50] <pygi> kwwii, well Bazaar Graphical User Interface :)
[10:50] <drunkenlogger> kwwii: hehe, thanks :)
[10:50] <kwwii> pygi: wow, sounds scary, what is it
[10:51] <pygi> kwwii, argh, its not that scary :)
[10:51] <pygi> well, bazaar is RCS, and GUI is just GUI :P
[10:51] <kwwii> I'll help in any way I have time to help :-9
[10:51] <pygi> hehe :)
[10:52] <pygi> oki, thanks :)
[10:52] <kwwii> can you point me to any information?
[10:52] <pygi> eh, nothing is needed at this moment...
[10:52] <pygi> I'll help in any way I have time to help :-9
[10:52] <pygi> argh, wrong paste :P
[10:52] <kwwii> lol
[10:52] <pygi> http://bazaar-vcs.org/GraphicalUserInterface
[10:52] <pygi> kinda outdated and all, but still :)
[10:53] <kwwii> pygi: love to help
[10:53] <kwwii> we can even update the website :-)
[10:53] <pygi> thanks :-P
[10:53] <pygi> and even make a proper UI :-)
[10:53] <kwwii> deal :-)
[10:54] <pygi> anything I can do for you? :)
[10:54] <kwwii> tell mark to extend my contract :-)
[10:54] <kwwii> jsut kidding
[10:54] <kwwii> s/jsut/just
[10:55] <pygi> I am sure he will :P
[11:20] <robotgeek> Riddell: ping, do you still need someone to apply?
[11:20] <pygi> robotgeek, for  what? :-/
[11:21] <robotgeek> pygi: kubuntu-docs
[11:21] <pygi> ah
[11:21] <robotgeek> he had a patch, i think it has been applied. just making sure
[11:31] <Riddell> robotgeek: no, thanks
[11:32] <pygi> Riddell, it seems you'll be getting KDE interface for Bzr after all :)
[11:32] <Riddell> oh?
[11:32] <robotgeek> Riddell: sorry, but was away from computer for past 2 days
[11:32] <pygi> Riddell, yea, I'll be implementing it :)
[11:33] <Riddell> pygi: cool
[11:33] <Riddell> pygi: just for kicks?
[11:33] <pygi> hm, what do you mean? :-/
[11:35] <pygi> Riddell, any explanation? :)
[11:38] <Riddell> pygi: what made you decide to do that?
[11:38] <pygi> Riddell, well, I wanna get more involved into KDE community :)
[11:39] <pygi> 0
[11:39] <pygi> e0
[11:39] <Riddell> excellent
[11:39] <pygi> argh, damn keyboard :)
[11:40] <Riddell> presumably you've done python before, done any qt/kde?
[11:40] <pygi> I have never really been involved with KDE, and this should be a good start (together with Amarok gst)
[11:40] <pygi> Riddell, yes, ofcourse...just never anything for KDE :)
[11:40] <pygi> argh, wrong typing...nothing that was part of KDE in any way...mostly applications I needed, etc.
[11:42] <pygi> no worries, it'll all be good :)
[11:43] <ach> hi raphink
[11:44] <raphink> hi ach
[11:44] <kwwii> ach du schiesse
[11:44] <kwwii> :-)
[11:44] <kwwii> sorry
[11:44] <pygi> :)
[11:44] <kwwii> couldn't help myself
[11:44] <raphink> kwwii: pfff
[11:44] <ach> kwwii: np ;)
[11:44] <kwwii> allee is so much nicer
[11:44] <robotgeek> dot.kde.org opens up career prospects. looks...
[11:45] <kwwii> that is a saying I have learned since I lived in Germany
[11:45] <kwwii> not my fault
[11:45] <ach> kwwii: yes, but I don't remember my freenet pw.  Thx to kdewallet ;)
[11:45] <kwwii> lol
[11:45] <kwwii> rotfl
[11:45] <kwwii> now that is good
[11:45] <kwwii> sounds like me
[11:45] <Riddell> robotgeek: hmm?
[11:46] <robotgeek> http://dot.kde.org/1147698188/ has a company interview. went to their website, and guess what: they have an opening in my area :)
[11:48] <pygi> Riddell, what are we to do with all those Kubuntu applications? :-/
[11:48] <pygi> I don't think that guy who appeared yesterday is capable of doing such a complex and "much thinking needed" task :-/
[11:48] <pygi> and the other guy for formatting isnt responding
[11:50] <DaSkreech> Where did kalimoto-miracle- lemon.ogg come from?
[11:51] <kwwii> no idea
[11:51] <kwwii> but I have been thinking of how to add a kubuntu ogg file
[11:51] <kwwii> unfortunatley my son does not play guitar well enough yet
[11:51] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Again?
[11:52] <DaSkreech> A Theora ogg file?
[11:52] <kwwii> DaSkreech: no idea where it comes from...just pulling shit out of my ass
[11:52] <kwwii> well, it is an ogg
[11:52] <kwwii> so yeah
[11:53] <DaSkreech> It could be a vorbis file 
[11:56] <ach> Taya: ping
[11:56] <Taya> pong
[11:57] <ach> Now I've (allee) have some spare time for your questions
[11:57] <Taya> thx
[11:57] <Taya> i have a loooooots of questions..
[11:57] <Taya> :)
[11:58] <ach> oh, oh
[11:58] <AlinuxOS> Taya, mamma mia :)
[11:58] <Riddell> pygi: if you don't think he's capable then don't give him your points
[11:58] <AlinuxOS> Girl Rulez! :)
[11:58] <pygi> Riddell, ergh, I just wanted your opinion :-/
[11:58] <ach> if it's not -devel releated we better with to other channel (maybe #kubuntu?)
[11:58] <Taya> lcd problem.
[11:59] <kwwii> DaSkreech: good point, no idea
[11:59] <Taya> i on;t know what problem it is..
[11:59] <DaSkreech> Who is in charge of System Settings?
[11:59] <Riddell> pygi: I don't disagree with you :)
[11:59] <kwwii> DaSkreech: god
[11:59] <pygi> Riddell, nice then :)
[11:59] <pygi> then we should vote him down :P
[12:00] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Normally has better work :-(
[12:00] <pygi> Riddell, perhaps he is capable enough to do that Wine stuff tho? :-/
[12:00] <kwwii> DaSkreech: what don't you like?
[12:01] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Two things 
[12:01] <DaSkreech> One is that it's unusable with the keyboard
[12:01] <kwwii> which is a totally valid point
[12:01] <kwwii> probably the best I have heard yet
[12:03] <DaSkreech> Second is that when you search for things then tabbing should only go to valid choices not through everything as if you didn't just search
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