[12:05] jjesse, robotgeek: can you apply this to kubuntu docs? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/DIFF [12:07] mind get the correct debian/rules file [12:13] Riddell: do we install any tango icons in kubuntu? 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[07:52] i'm okay, handed in my maths assignment...had a fire drill.. [07:52] huhu [07:58] hey Hobbsee, raphink [07:58] hi pygi [07:58] hi pygi [07:59] whats up? :) [07:59] the sky. and traffic. [08:00] did kwwi get the new stuff in? i want to see what it looks like now :P [08:03] Riddell: gettext doesn't work with pyKDE ? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:04] raphink: i18n() works with PyKDE. [08:04] Sime: yes I know [08:04] but language-selector uses gettext so far [08:04] and it doesn't work === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:10] Sime: what's the lib for i18n? [08:10] raphink: the same as it is in C++. [08:10] which is? [08:10] kdecore (I think) [08:11] ok [08:11] thanks [08:13] hmpf === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:36] raphink: you around? [08:36] yes [08:36] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/38356 [08:36] how do i see if that's still applicable? [08:36] is there some easy way to tell? [08:36] Malone bug 38356 in konversation "Is not creating a .pot file on build time" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [08:37] like a post-inst log, or something? [08:37] I'd say run debuild on the package and track the pot in po/ [08:37] how do i track the pot in po/? [08:38] er, it look's like Rid*dell's already done that...but how do you do it anyway? [08:38] wait I have to hurry [08:38] okay [08:38] dont worry then [08:38] I have to take a train this morning [08:40] go for it [08:41] (I'm moving to the French Riviera, visiting a flat there tomorrow :)) [08:42] ooh fun :) [08:43] what is that kubuntu live Installer tool called again? [08:43] espresso/ubiquity [08:43] hendry: ubiquity? [08:43] so i report bugs against that? [08:44] i think so... [08:44] apparently there are a lot of bugs against it... [08:44] so if you find a section with a lot of bugs that isnt firefox - that's where you want it :) [08:53] lol [08:55] is https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/34992 likely to be upstream? [08:55] Malone bug 34992 in konversation "Name with ampersand appears with underscore in menus" [Normal,Confirmed] [08:56] I'd think so [08:59] okay === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-6-87-175.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:38] Riddell: you around? === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@bb220-255-81-1.singnet.com.sg] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-81-1.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Everyone should be on the look out for regressions w.r.t. buttons in systemsettngs. || https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLinuxTag2006 || Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs || https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUbiquity || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meetings in #ubuntu-meeting -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- Next meeting is 11/05/06 2100 UTC === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Everyone should be on the look out for regressions w.r.t. buttons in systemsettngs. || https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLinuxTag2006 || Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs || https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUbiquity || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meetings in #ubuntu-meeting -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- Next meeting is 22/05/06 2100 UTC === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.49.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai__ [n=marseill@AMarseille-256-1-14-128.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === alleeHol [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-23-63.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua_@221.172.49.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua_@221.172.49.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua_@221.172.49.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua_@221.172.49.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:53] Hobbsee: is there actually a problem with bug 43788? [12:53] Malone bug 43788 in kubuntu-default-settings "Maintainers kmix session was included in the settings" [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43788 [12:53] i'm not sure - i couldnt really tell whether it should be there, or not... [12:53] i couldnt see any difference [12:54] Riddell: ^ [12:56] it's needed to start kmix on first boot [12:56] ah okay === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@bb220-255-23-93.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-23-63.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa2 [n=ubijtsa@213.208.70.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel === PascalFr [n=PascalFr@pcpc.vmfacility.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee watches as a whole lot of the bugs bite the dust. [03:02] why is bug-killing far more fun than maths assignments? [03:02] :) [03:03] Riddell: besides, it gives me a great excuse to watch a dvd :P [03:12] argh...what's the best way to get a changelog between two versions of a kde program? [03:14] Hobbsee: diff [03:14] freeflying: good point. this is kaffiene in particular, it's suggested in a bug report to get a sync [03:15] Hobbsee: kaffeine is buggy ) [03:15] freeflying: true, dapper got a new version, which is supposed to be less buggy. [03:15] http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kaffeine/kaffeine_0.8.1-2/changelog is their changelog [03:16] Hobbsee: 0.8 has more improvement on UI, but not on application itself [03:16] ah okay.. [03:17] someone did a good job with these kaffiene bugs - they've been triaged nicely [03:17] Hobbsee: prefer to kmplayer, it's stabler than kaffeine [03:17] OdyX: you did a great job on them :) [03:18] Hobbsee: on which ? [03:18] Hobbsee: going through bugs ? [03:18] OdyX: kaffiene bugs [03:18] yep [03:18] and whatever else i havent seen yet ;P [03:18] ;-9 === Hobbsee has been going around fixing kde bugs at random, you see... [03:18] in celebration for finishing that darned maths assignment [03:19] Just select one package and view its bugs... Then copy-paste "Does this still happen for you on latest Dapper? If no, please close the bug." [03:19] hehe yeah, i know [03:19] At the same time, mark as "Needs info" [03:19] After 1 week, mark as "Fix released" and say "feel free to re-open.. :D [03:20] hehe [03:23] and don't forget to tae a view on +karma :D [03:23] Well.. Leaving. Practicals to do in ASM-Motorolla-ColdFire [03:23] OdyX: so when will you get really brave? :P [03:23] really brave ? [03:24] means = "packaging" ? [03:24] OdyX: let me find them... [03:24] OdyX: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs-search?field.distribution=ubuntu&field.sourcepackagename=kdebase&search=Search [03:24] Well.. soon [03:25] when raphink ends the translation of "packaging-guide" ;-) [03:25] Well.. Have to go... [03:25] See ya.. [03:26] cya [03:28] oh dear, i spoke too early about my sound... [03:29] Riddell: would you be able to shine some light on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/43059 ? [03:29] Malone bug 43059 in kdebase "When adding network printer wizard chooses wrong subnet for scanning" [Normal,Confirmed] [03:31] I guess it's searching loopback stuff instead of the real network [03:31] Hobbsee: do you have a network printer? [03:31] Riddell: yep [03:32] Riddell: reproducable every single time [03:33] you could try it on localhost:431 I guess to see if it's a cups problem or kde problem [03:33] but I suspect it's a kde problem [03:33] Hobbsee: it looks for subnet: 127.0.0.*:9100 [03:34] Riddell: where do i specify that? [03:34] jjesse: yes, exactly [03:34] Hobbsee: any web browser [03:35] An error occurred while loading http://localhost:431: [03:35] Could not connect to host localhost (port 431). [03:36] hmm, curious [03:36] maybe CUPS's web frontend has been turned off [03:36] well you could try with gnome-cups-foo === mornfall|mx [n=mornfall@201.160.20.136.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:42] huh? [03:44] Riddell: i think the problem is that when i select scan for printers it is looking at the 127.0.0.X subnet instead of the subnet that the primary eth connection is on [03:44] is that correct Hobbsee? [03:45] I'm just wondering if that's a KDE problem or a CUPS problem [03:45] jjesse: the submet that the primary eth is on is also known as the gateway, i take it? [03:47] Hobbsee: it should be [03:48] yes, that's correct then [03:49] no [03:49] the subnet is the local network, the gateway is a device on that network that you route through to access the internet [03:50] oh [03:50] okay, maybe i'm getting myself confused then [03:51] Riddell: our printer has an IP address of 192.168.50.205 - yet it always tries to scan 127.0.0.*:9100 === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@69.60.114.100] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:52] Hobbsee: even with gnome-cups-thing? [03:53] Riddell: interesting. the kde print wizard thing will find it, if you select "remote cups server" as localhost, with port 631 [03:53] *double checks* [03:53] i didnt try that - didnt want gnome stuff all over my system... [03:54] doh, I got the cups port number wrong [03:54] no, wait. ignore that. [03:54] hehe [03:54] so what port is it supposed to be? [03:54] so it's probably a kde bug, maybe we'll get that cups 1.2 SoC project approved and that guy can fix it [03:55] okay === Hobbsee wonders what the printer is, for the correct drivers [03:56] crud! [03:56] hmm, firefox has stopped loading up [03:56] there's a word my bad language hilights don't catch [03:57] yes, it was a substitute bad word :P [03:57] *crosses fingers* [03:58] okay, this thing hates me! === Hobbsee sighs [03:59] lovely. [04:00] Riddell: it's stopped sigseiving after scanning, and selecting the printer, and now just doesnt bring up any list of drivers or printers at all. === Hobbsee curses the evil CUPS. === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD9508B35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:06] ahh, more cupsys :) [04:07] we'll see if *this* lot works! [04:08] oh good! [04:10] Riddell: okay, it's working again :) [04:11] cool! [04:11] good job Hobbsee, keep it up :) [04:11] hehe - i just upgraded - i didnt fix anything... [04:15] Hobbsee: sorry was away from my desk, did the probelm you were having get solved? [04:15] jjesse: yeah, seemed that it was fixed with the upgrades that came in tonight... [04:15] the kde driver database wasnt being created... [04:16] got no idea about the other thing though - seems that's upstream [04:16] did you get the problem solved with scanning the correct subnet? [04:16] no [04:17] er, why is system settings always single click? is it supposed to be? [04:18] that's how it's programmed [04:19] I guess it should respect the file manager click mode setting [04:19] right, so the wishlist one can stay... [04:19] *marks the other as a duplicate* [04:19] these system settings bugs are scary... [04:20] what about bug #44244 ? [04:20] Malone bug 44244 in wlassistant "No Translation Templates for WlAssistant in Rosetta" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44244 [04:20] OculusAquilae: shouldn't be a hard one to fix if you want to give it a shot [04:20] same for keep and kwin-style-crystal [04:21] right [04:21] the problem is that I have no idea how :) [04:22] OculusAquilae: i found a howto on that earlier :) [04:22] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu [04:22] see Generating .pot files [04:22] that one too [04:23] you need to play with the patch [04:23] Riddell: that detail was copied, it's now also in http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html [04:23] not all admin directories are the same [04:24] interesting [04:24] Riddell: any idea for import many pos into rosetta [04:26] freeflying: ask carlos? [04:27] Riddell: thx [04:28] ooh yay! found another crash in kopete! [04:30] if the last comment on bug #44460 is "Seems to be a duplicate of " another bug by the person who filed the bug can i mark it as a duplicate? [04:30] Malone bug 44460 in kdeutils "my wallet in kwallet disappeared, but the file is still there" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44460 [04:31] jjesse: if it really is a duplicate sure [04:32] *changes jabber account* [04:33] looking at the bug the orignial requestor links to it is the same issue === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-166-99.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:34] hmm don't see duplicate as a status i can set it to :( [04:34] oh it's down the side somewhere [04:34] Riddell: hm wlassistant seems to have a wlassistant.pot-file by default in source [04:34] found it [04:34] jjesse: it's there, really :P [04:35] i was looking under status [04:36] OculusAquilae: poke carlos then to see why it's not imported [04:36] OculusAquilae: wlassistant was only recently moved to main could be the reason [04:37] ok [04:51] jjesse: could you apply this patch to kubuntu/debian/rules http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/DIFF [04:52] Riddell: sure hold on [04:52] in both trunk and branches? [04:53] err, I'm not sure how trunk is being kept in sync with branch [04:53] probably not worth bothering to do so just now [04:54] ok i'll make sure they are in sync [04:56] cool === Hobbsee falls asleep at the keyboard === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.49.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:00] oh well, at least that's some bugs killed... [05:03] Riddell: i'm getting "Missing header for unified diff at line 3 of patch" [05:05] apply by hand? [05:06] ok [05:06] although it does have a perfectly good header [05:06] maybe i'm typing the syntax wrong, can you help me with that :) [05:07] its just patch -p0 file.diff file correct? [05:08] it's done relative to the kubuntu/ directory [05:08] then patch -p0 < file.diff [05:08] ah that's my problem i was in kubuntu/debian [05:08] the < is important [05:08] if you're in kubuntu/debian it's -p1 [05:16] hmm still not working, "Hunk #1 FAILED at 31 [05:16] grumble === OdyX [n=Didier@80.33.64.8] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Apachy [n=AlinuxOS@d83-184-251-245.cust.tele2.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Taya [n=taya@adsl-212-72-137-17.sanet.ge] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:31] hi, anyone can help me with adding some default language in kde(kubuntu)? [06:32] sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-xx [06:32] set it in systemsettings [06:32] i have it installed [06:32] something like sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales to set the default for all users [06:32] how can i set it in system settings [06:33] kmenu->system settings->regional [06:33] i can;t choose anything , only english, in system settings/regional an accessibilities/country region & langiages [06:33] there is only english === marseillai__ is now known as marseillai [06:33] what's the language? [06:34] georgian [06:34] i did this reconfigure locales, but still the same.. [06:34] do you have language-pack-kde-ka installed? [06:34] yes [06:35] i had it before, as i also have gnome, and in gnome lots of things are in georgian [06:35] then i installe kubuntu(over gnome), and i have somethings in georgian, but very little, and i can't set up there georgian language.. [06:35] cause I am uploading georgian trsnalations, and want to check how it lookes. [06:36] i need to have kubuntu in georgian.. [06:36] if you had gnome before you'll have language-pack-gnome-ka but not language-pack-kde-ka installed [06:36] i installed it myself today [06:36] from repository: [06:36] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2006-May/000537.html [06:36] that's daily updated === alleeHol is now known as allee [06:38] i have installed both, for gnome and for kde too. [06:38] I see the problem [06:38] KDE doesn't have language packs for georgian so there's no ./usr/share/locale-langpack/ka/entry.desktop [06:39] http://taya.convert.ge/snapshot17.png [06:40] ok, so what should i do to have georgian kde? [06:42] we need an entry.desktop file in /usr/share/locale-langpack/ka [06:42] but it seems to also need something translated, possibly kdelibs.po [06:43] i nede to create it myself? [06:43] yes it's translated, i have almost all kde, i just nee to upload it to kubuntu rozetta [06:43] Taya: for now you will, I can talk to the language packs maintainer to get it in language-pack-kde-ka [06:44] i have: /usr/share/locale/ka/LC_MESSAGES [06:44] already [06:44] so why it doens't work? [06:44] but anything in /usr/share/locale/ka/ ? [06:44] one folder: LC_MESSAGES [06:44] and 3 files inthere: [06:44] yes, it also needs the file /usr/share/locale/ka/entry.desktop [06:45] iso_3166.mo [06:45] iso_639.mo [06:45] poeit.mp [06:45] mp=mo [06:45] I need to work out how to get that in the package [06:45] poeit.mo === Apachy [n=AlinuxOS@d83-184-251-245.cust.tele2.it] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [06:45] in gnome(ubuntu) georgian is already very long time.... [06:45] Taya: I need to go out now but please report a bug on launchpad.net and subscribe me (jr) [06:45] and poke me if I don't get it fixed soon === AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-184-251-245.cust.tele2.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:46] hmm.. ok, but i am new to louchpad.. don't know if i can do that ;) [06:46] we;ll see [06:46] Taya, where is the problem? [06:46] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-ka/+filebug [06:46] and in the mean time keep translating and uploading [06:47] AlinuxOS: we're missing two things that KDE needs, firstly the translations and secondly a file /usr/share/locale-langpack/ka/entry.desktop [06:47] Riddell, ah ok. I understand in GNOME no problems. [06:47] which is missing because KDE doesn't have any language packs for georgian [06:47] so it's better to file a bug right? [06:47] yes, KDE is special like this [06:47] AlinuxOS: please do === Taya [n=taya@adsl-212-72-137-17.sanet.ge] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:49] yes i willbut when will it be fixed? [06:49] so Taya you must file a bug against language-pack-kde-ka [06:49] ok, where , and how? [06:49] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-ka/+filebug [06:49] as Riddell said [06:50] just explane your situation: that there is no language packs for georgian [06:50] but continue to import KDE files. [06:51] KDE devel team is fast to solve this genre of bugs [06:51] Righ Riddell? :) [06:52] ok let's see how quick it will be solved :)))))))))))) [06:56] Taya: I'll try and get it fixed as soon as I can :) [06:56] ok, bug is reported ;) [06:57] how can i track this bug? [06:57] Taya, good :) [06:58] it's open source community :) not M$ ! [06:58] in open source community we are faster :) [06:58] i know, and i like it :) [06:58] Taya: you will be subscribed to it when you reported it so you'll get e-mails of changes [06:58] Taya: thanks for helping with kubuntu [06:58] and also, i have some other problems in kubuntu.. should i post it here? [06:58] Taya, gender m/f ? :) [06:59] alinux: reebs mekitxebi? [06:59] lol [06:59] :) [06:59] I know I know :) [06:59] i have laptop: asus w5a00 [06:59] already 1 year [06:59] and sound card was not working in any linux distributions till now. [07:00] i installed 6.06 ubuntu about a week ago, and i was surptrized it was working !! [07:00] but in kubuntu - volume up/down/mute keys are not working [07:00] they are working in gnome/ubuntu, but not in kde/kubuntu [07:01] lspci sais: 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) [07:01] though, sound and mic are working fine in kubuntu, just not the keys.. [07:02] anyone can help with this? [07:02] Taya: laptop keys are something that Kubuntu is often weak in, I plan to work a lot in that area for the next version [07:02] ah, and next versions is 6.10 or before? [07:02] 6.10 yes [07:02] Edgy [07:03] hmm.. not before? [07:03] i was waiting my laptop to have sound already one year..... [07:03] :) [07:03] ubuntu has mjg59 working hard on laptop support, kubuntu doesn't have anyone [07:04] and also my bloetooth is not working, dont know why yet.... and i have to test my webcam also ;) [07:04] i will report here if smth will not be working ;) bu bluetooth already is not. ;( [07:04] but if you can help us with testing then I've sure we'll get it working before october [07:04] taya: you can try system settings -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard -> tick "enable keyboard layouts" - Now select Laptop/something in the list, might work for you. [07:04] sure, on my laptop i can test :) i am using kubuntu and like it very much (after i can hear some sounds...) [07:04] taya: the list = keyboard model list. [07:05] uniq> ai already have georgian keyboard layoyts [07:05] :) === Riddell goes out [07:05] taya: ok, then just select some laptop keyboard from the list of keyboard models. Laptop/Inspiron have worked for me on several laptops. [07:06] later riddell. [07:07] wait [07:07] ther eis no keyboard menu, there is: keyboard layout, and keyboard shortcuts [07:07] and none of them have menu to choose from keyboard type.. [07:08] ah wait, i found it [07:08] ah YES! === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:09] i choose laptop/notebook compaq presario, laptop keyboard [07:09] and now my sound/on/off/mute keys are working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [07:09] thx [07:09] no ;( [07:10] mute is not working :( [07:11] ok i will try diffreent laptop kbs.. [07:12] mute still not working.. [07:13] an one more thing: === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:14] in kubuntu (not in ubuntu) time after time it appears soe little screen saying LCD mode on / off or smth like this [07:14] my laptop has also plug for monitor, an for video out or smth .. === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-166-99.singnet.com.sg] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-003-022.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:15] can we fix it? [07:16] Taya: what's your bluetooth problem (I've bt mouse and idsn device working here) [07:16] it is not working. [07:16] ;) [07:16] i ahveinstalled kbluetoothd [07:16] and it sais: no adapter [07:17] open an console and run: hciconfig [07:17] konsole that is [07:18] What bt adapter do you use? Build in, usb bt stick? [07:18] buil-in [07:18] build-in [07:18] ok i did, what should happen? [07:19] hciconfig returned nothing? [07:20] yep, nothing [07:20] root@Taya:/home/taya# hciconfig [07:20] root@Taya:/home/taya# [07:21] Taya: Are you sure you buildin adapter is switched on? (E.g. my Dell has a Fn-F2 hotkey to turn it on/off) [07:21] yes it's on [07:21] cause it's bin to wifi [07:21] there is one switch for them [07:21] and right now i am usind intenet via wifi [07:21] Ah, bad :( ... [07:22] I would like to see what's happening when ... [07:22] when? [07:22] tail -f /var/log/kern.log; # now switch bt/wiki of/on [07:22] wifi that is [07:23] hmm. i will get offline then.. [07:23] ok brb [07:23] :) [07:24] strange [07:24] this swith is not working... [07:24] even when i turn it off, internet (i.e. wifi) is still working.. [07:24] strange.. [07:24] Taya: laptop model? [07:25] and in kern.log only these errors allll the time: [07:25] status [07:25] May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.508000] Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status [07:25] May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.608000] Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status [07:25] May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.608000] Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status [07:25] May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.708000] Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status [07:25] May 17 21:25:00 localhost kernel: [4303715.708000] Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status [07:25] May 17 21:25:01 localhost kernel: [4303715.808000] Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status [07:25] May 17 21:25:01 localhost kernel: [4303715.808000] Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status [07:25] May 17 21:25:01 localhost kernel: [4303715.908000] Asus ACPI: Error reading LCD status [07:25] asus w5a00 [07:25] wait, i will post here link (of laptop) [07:25] Taya: grep /var/log/daemon.log | grep hcid | tail -20 [07:27] huh, tough job.. still thinking.. [07:27] Taya: oh, no my error [07:27] Taya: grep hcid /var/log/daemon.log | tail -20 [07:28] use kubuntu.paste.com to paste the data and post URL here [07:28] root@Taya:/home/taya# grep hcid /var/log/daemon.log | tail -20 [07:28] May 15 23:04:28 localhost hcid[4701] : Bluetooth HCI daemon [07:28] May 15 23:04:28 localhost hcid[4701] : Can't get system message bus name: Connection ":1.1" is not allowed to own the service "org.bluez" due to security policies in the configuration file [07:28] May 16 20:35:07 localhost hcid[4701] : Exit. [07:28] May 16 20:36:50 localhost hcid[4383] : Bluetooth HCI daemon [07:28] May 16 20:36:51 localhost hcid[4383] : Can't get system message bus name: Connection ":1.1" is not allowed to own the service "org.bluez" due to security policies in the configuration file [07:28] May 17 09:24:28 localhost hcid[4383] : Exit. [07:28] May 17 09:25:41 localhost hcid[4399] : Bluetooth HCI daemon [07:28] May 17 09:25:41 localhost hcid[4399] : Can't get system message bus name: Connection ":1.1" is not allowed to own the service "org.bluez" due to security policies in the configuration file [07:29] kbluetooth does not use dbus yet. [07:29] remove the tail -20 and post messages that are different === Taya [n=taya@adsl-212-72-137-17.sanet.ge] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:30] how should i paste?? === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-166-99.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:31] look at http://kubuntu.paste.com and paste the data in the text field. Submit it and post URL that is returned [07:32] http://pastebin.com/722978 [07:32] allee kubuntu.pastebin.com ? [07:33] abattoir: yes of course, sorry [07:33] abattoir: bookmarks are not helpful for remembering URL ;) [07:33] hehe :) [07:33] the bookmark manager knows them, me not [07:34] Taya: without the tail -20. The messages show are not helpful [07:34] ?? [07:35] root@Taya:/home/taya# grep hcid /var/log/daemon.log | tail -20 [07:37] only: grep hcid /var/log/daemon.log [07:38] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/722995 [07:38] Taya: output of: uptime [07:39] 21:39:40 up 2:45, 3 users, load average: 0.62, 0.92, 0.89 [07:42] have you multiple session/monitors running? [07:42] not now.. [07:43] Taya: it's strange that there's nothing about an adapter in the log ... [07:44] Taya: maybe the adapter is switch off by default in BIOS? (without working hotkey, you can't turn it on and linxu kernel will not see it) [07:44] no, i have windouws too, and in windows it's working. [07:46] and what about lcd monitor problem? [07:46] does 'lsusb -v | grep -i blue' list something? [07:47] no [07:47] Taya: did you have a look at the LaptopTesting pages in wiki.ubuntu.com? [07:48] and dmidecode | grep -i blue? [07:48] not now, sound was not working, and about one year ago, i was searching for something abou tsound.. but now, i just installed ubuntu and was surprized and happy sound was working. [07:48] i ahve not searched for anything yet.. [07:48] root@Taya:/home/taya# dmidecode | grep -i blue [07:48] Internal Reference Designator: CN12 - BLUETOOTH [07:52] laptop details: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/ASUS_W5_Laptops/prod.asp [07:54] allee?? [07:57] ... === mndo [i=mindo@c-217-70-78-111.bragatel.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:58] Taya: sorry. My user here has proble with an printout. later .. [07:58] ok..... === apachelogger is now known as magiclogger [08:07] Riddell: i never got that patch to commit for teh docs === magiclogger is now known as apachelogger [08:11] http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/74/66/ [08:12] http://www.thekatapult.org.uk cracked :( === OdyX [n=Didier@80.33.64.8] has joined #kubuntu-devel === PascalFr [n=PascalFr@pcpc.vmfacility.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:25] Taya: dmesg | grep -i blue # or grep -i blue /var/log/kern.log{,.0} [08:26] the mood bar has been enabled in the amarok package... nice :) [08:27] dmesg | grep -i blue >> nonw [08:27] none [08:27] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/723107 [08:28] hi, i'm trying to get the source to the current kaffeine in dapper, but I can't get it to build, am i doing something wrong: [08:29] i downloaded .orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz, extracted the orig, ran "zcat ../kaffeine_0.7.1-1.3ubuntu8.diff.gz | patch -p1" [08:31] without the patch it compiles, but with the patch i get this: make[2] : Nothing to be done for `all-am'. make[1] : *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make: *** [all] Error 2 *** Exited with status: 2 *** === jdong_ is now known as jdong === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-40-250.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:46] Riddell: ping [08:51] anyone with admin access to kubuntu.org around? === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX_ [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:58] hehe, got another update for amarok? [08:58] Riddell is probably hiding from you :-) [08:59] kwwii: no, finall 1.4.0 is out :P [08:59] *finally [08:59] :-) === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-233-136.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:09] Taya: pah, I've checked on a laptop without BT and kern.log msg are the same [09:11] Taya: grep -i firm /var/log/kern.log{,.0} [09:12] Taya: best (fwiw) guess I have is still that BT is disabled by default in BIOS. Just that Windows driver enables it on startup === hunger [n=tobias@p54A647C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:14] ok, so i have to enable it in bios? [09:14] Taya: it's just a guess. Other possibility is that the buildin BT chip is not supported at all [09:15] Taya: At least I know I can set BT to off in BIOS with my Dell D600 (and switch later on via hotkey) [09:17] ok i will try later and report here. (probably it will be tomorrow, as it's late night now, and i will go to sleep soon..) === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:39] kwwii: did you change today the bg of kubuntu kdm? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:40] hey ;) [09:40] mornfall_: ping ? [09:40] kmon: well, last night, but yeah [09:40] you forgot to update the screenshot files & preview file ;) [09:41] nothing important... [09:41] i've just noticed [09:41] ouch [09:41] I even made an xcf for that purpose [09:41] ok, will do...thanks for the tip [09:42] I assumed it wasn't worth a bug in launchpad. [09:43] well, it is easily fixed === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-254-77.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:48] hi kwwii, kmon [09:48] hi Tonio_ [09:48] Tonio_: how's things? [09:49] hi Tonio_ [09:49] hiya Tonio_ [09:49] kwwii: quite nicelly ;) except my laptop has a ---reallt--- strange hardware issue [09:49] really [09:50] allee: ping ? [09:50] kwwii: and you ? just saw the new backgrounds, really ince :) [09:50] Tonio_: pong [09:50] allee: you told me toma is working on codeine source code right ? === kmon leaves [09:51] yes. but I've seen no commit's in last 36 hours [09:52] allee: okay, I just wanted to know if he intends to become new upstream since old one apparently stopped maintaining it [09:52] AFAIU pkgs work. It's need a go at debina/copyrigh [09:52] allee: it is really nice, more stable than kaffeine, and doesn't crash konq [09:52] allee: it would be a perfect default player for edgy [09:52] Tonio_: not Howels revived it [09:52] allee: he started again ? nice ;) [09:52] s/not/no,/ [09:52] yes :) :) [09:53] allee: that's very nice to ear ;) it needs a few improvements, but the base is really excellent....... [09:53] allee: I don't think kaffeine will be stable someday, and since upstream seems to be interested to add audio, encoding functions etc..... [09:53] latest version is a mess, really [09:53] Tonio_: honestly kaffeine is too complicated for me! [09:54] allee: I agree, we need a simpler player === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:55] allee: kaffeine is too buggy too.... [09:55] my laptop's fan stops randomly :( [09:55] kmon: my laptop doesn't restart randomly :((( [09:55] Tonio_: about default config: Installed a laptop from scratch in german. nevertheless when I enter country/Region & language, language is US English and Country/region 'C' [09:55] and sometimt doesn't want to start at all [09:56] allee: and ? [09:56] Tonio_: looks like it picks up from defaults (nevertheless desktop is in german) [09:56] allee: I have the same bug [09:56] allee: very strange.......; what version did you install ? [09:56] I installed like that to test it [09:56] Tonio_: I expected Language set to german and country/region Germany [09:56] and now I cannot change it [09:57] allee: is it for ALL kubuntu or just kde ? [09:57] Tonio_: cd from 15 May afair [09:57] Tonio_: btw...did you remove all the profiles from konqi? [09:57] kwwii: yes ;) [09:57] Tonio_: well, there is a but now that konqi will not start [09:58] allee: is gwenview in english too ? [09:58] just a test :) [09:58] Tonio_: /etc/environment is right. Desktop is in German. But the kcm module settings are wrong [09:58] I think we need to leave at least the simple "web-browsing" and "file manager" profiles in [09:58] allee: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales ? [09:59] allee: it would be nice if I could have a look at your desktop to really understand whare is the issue [09:59] I do not even have the possiblity to change it to anything else [09:59] allee: would you be okay for a 5 minutes vnc session ? [09:59] only en packages are installed [09:59] Tonio_: I assume (well wild guess) that if nothing is set it uses LC_* LANGUAGE stuff. But kcm module is not that flexible [10:00] kwwii: did you try to use the language support tool ? [10:00] what is that? [10:00] I tried to change my settings in "system preferences" [10:00] Tonio_: everything is German and works. It's just the kcm module that shows different value. [10:00] my base system is German [10:00] kwwii: a kubutu tool to manage languages packs and set default value [10:00] ahhhh [10:01] nope, never tried that [10:01] kwwii: try it ;) [10:01] I learn 10 new things about ubuntu every day [10:01] and I have to say this now: [10:01] kwwii: hehe [10:01] I assume your desktop is french? :) So just create a new user. log in. goto country/region and language settings. I'm sure you find the same as I did. English defaults [10:01] I like working with the kubuntu people a lot more than the ubuntu ones [10:01] allee: did you check your config in that tool too ? [10:01] kwwii: hu ? is that that different ? [10:02] kwwii: maybe we don't hug that often like ubuntu? :) [10:02] allee: okay let me test this [10:02] dude, they have an irc channel and mailing list just for the artwork stuff [10:02] artwork by commitee sucks [10:04] allee: no pb here....... [10:04] allee: would you like me to look at your desktop with vnc maybe ? [10:04] that could help.... === pygi [n=pygi@83.131.239.188] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:06] hum; okay, I have english default yes [10:06] but I can change it to french [10:07] Tonio_: no, campus firewall [10:08] allee: okay I know [10:08] Tonio_: yes I can also change to german and deutsch. It's just strange that this is not already selected [10:08] allee: it is not a bug but a usability issuie [10:08] you cannot change laguage since you dont't have langpacks installed [10:08] Tonio_: I would say that low prio, yes [10:08] then when you select another language, it keeps printing english [10:08] allee: install the german langpacks, then you will be able to change [10:09] and concerning english printed at first launch, this is because the file isn't defined in your .kde [10:09] allee: use the language support in K menu / System [10:09] install german support, and you will be able to change in kcm module [10:09] Tonio_: no. everything working already in german. The installation did everything right. It's just that the kcm module does not reflect the changes that KDE is actually using already ;) [10:10] s/changes/settings/ [10:10] allee: hum....... in fact that can be due to the fact we currently have 2 langpacks..... [10:10] the ones built by pitti and the kde ones [10:10] allee: may I have a look via vnc or not ? [10:10] just o compare with my config [10:10] since it works here === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:11] Tonio_: you can't. The tcp connection has to be esthabisheled from here. Sorry. Screenshot? [10:11] allee: can you come on my computer then ? [10:12] Tonio_: yes, for outgoing almost nothing is blocked [10:13] allee: pv [10:23] allee: I agree that's irritating ;) [10:35] Riddell, poke [10:46] hrm, why doesn't my kmail do spell chekcing anymore? [10:46] it says I need to add either ispell or aspell to my path [10:46] but I have aspell-en installed === apachelogger is now known as drunkenlogger [10:47] kwwii@isaac:~$ which aspell [10:47] /usr/bin/aspell [10:47] kwwii@isaac:~$ echo $PATH [10:47] /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games [10:48] drunkenlogger: what the fsck is up with this amarok crap? (/me loves giving drunk people shit) [10:49] which amaroK crap? [10:49] sorry, just seeing if I could provoke you :-) [10:49] I note how you spell it correctly, nicely done :-) [10:49] kwwii, will you be able to provide me assistance with artwork for bzr-ui? :) [10:49] bzr-ui? === kwwii runs for cover [10:50] what is it? [10:50] kwwii: peeh, after working 4 days, day and night (with less than enough sleep) provking me is quite hard :P [10:50] drunkenlogger: lol, I know the feeling [10:50] congrats on getting the release out the door [10:50] kwwii, well Bazaar Graphical User Interface :) [10:50] kwwii: hehe, thanks :) [10:50] pygi: wow, sounds scary, what is it [10:51] kwwii, argh, its not that scary :) [10:51] well, bazaar is RCS, and GUI is just GUI :P [10:51] I'll help in any way I have time to help :-9 [10:51] hehe :) [10:52] oki, thanks :) [10:52] can you point me to any information? [10:52] eh, nothing is needed at this moment... [10:52] I'll help in any way I have time to help :-9 [10:52] argh, wrong paste :P [10:52] lol [10:52] http://bazaar-vcs.org/GraphicalUserInterface [10:52] kinda outdated and all, but still :) [10:53] pygi: love to help [10:53] we can even update the website :-) [10:53] thanks :-P [10:53] and even make a proper UI :-) [10:53] deal :-) === pygi thanks to kwwii [10:54] anything I can do for you? :) [10:54] tell mark to extend my contract :-) [10:54] jsut kidding [10:54] s/jsut/just [10:55] I am sure he will :P === ach [n=ach@sojupa.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Taya [n=taya@adsl-212-72-134-11.sanet.ge] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:20] Riddell: ping, do you still need someone to apply? [11:20] robotgeek, for what? :-/ [11:21] pygi: kubuntu-docs [11:21] ah [11:21] he had a patch, i think it has been applied. just making sure === javier_ [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:31] robotgeek: no, thanks [11:32] Riddell, it seems you'll be getting KDE interface for Bzr after all :) [11:32] oh? [11:32] Riddell: sorry, but was away from computer for past 2 days [11:32] Riddell, yea, I'll be implementing it :) [11:33] pygi: cool [11:33] pygi: just for kicks? [11:33] hm, what do you mean? :-/ === pygi wonders what would "just for kicks" mean :) [11:35] Riddell, any explanation? :) [11:38] pygi: what made you decide to do that? [11:38] Riddell, well, I wanna get more involved into KDE community :) [11:39] 0 [11:39] e0 [11:39] excellent [11:39] argh, damn keyboard :) [11:40] presumably you've done python before, done any qt/kde? [11:40] I have never really been involved with KDE, and this should be a good start (together with Amarok gst) [11:40] Riddell, yes, ofcourse...just never anything for KDE :) [11:40] argh, wrong typing...nothing that was part of KDE in any way...mostly applications I needed, etc. [11:42] no worries, it'll all be good :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:43] hi raphink [11:44] hi ach [11:44] ach du schiesse === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:44] :-) [11:44] sorry [11:44] :) [11:44] couldn't help myself [11:44] kwwii: pfff [11:44] kwwii: np ;) [11:44] allee is so much nicer [11:44] dot.kde.org opens up career prospects. looks... [11:45] that is a saying I have learned since I lived in Germany [11:45] not my fault [11:45] kwwii: yes, but I don't remember my freenet pw. Thx to kdewallet ;) [11:45] lol [11:45] rotfl [11:45] now that is good [11:45] sounds like me [11:45] robotgeek: hmm? [11:46] http://dot.kde.org/1147698188/ has a company interview. went to their website, and guess what: they have an opening in my area :) [11:48] Riddell, what are we to do with all those Kubuntu applications? :-/ [11:48] I don't think that guy who appeared yesterday is capable of doing such a complex and "much thinking needed" task :-/ [11:48] and the other guy for formatting isnt responding === AlinuxOS [n=AlinuxOS@d83-184-251-245.cust.tele2.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:50] Where did kalimoto-miracle- lemon.ogg come from? [11:51] no idea [11:51] but I have been thinking of how to add a kubuntu ogg file [11:51] unfortunatley my son does not play guitar well enough yet [11:51] kwwii: Again? [11:52] A Theora ogg file? [11:52] DaSkreech: no idea where it comes from...just pulling shit out of my ass [11:52] well, it is an ogg [11:52] so yeah [11:53] It could be a vorbis file [11:56] Taya: ping [11:56] pong [11:57] Now I've (allee) have some spare time for your questions [11:57] thx [11:57] i have a loooooots of questions.. [11:57] :) [11:58] oh, oh [11:58] Taya, mamma mia :) [11:58] pygi: if you don't think he's capable then don't give him your points [11:58] Girl Rulez! :) [11:58] Riddell, ergh, I just wanted your opinion :-/ [11:58] if it's not -devel releated we better with to other channel (maybe #kubuntu?) [11:58] lcd problem. [11:59] DaSkreech: good point, no idea [11:59] i on;t know what problem it is.. [11:59] Who is in charge of System Settings? [11:59] pygi: I don't disagree with you :) [11:59] DaSkreech: god [11:59] Riddell, nice then :) [11:59] then we should vote him down :P [12:00] kwwii: Normally has better work :-( [12:00] Riddell, perhaps he is capable enough to do that Wine stuff tho? :-/ [12:00] DaSkreech: what don't you like? [12:01] kwwii: Two things [12:01] One is that it's unusable with the keyboard [12:01] which is a totally valid point [12:01] probably the best I have heard yet [12:03] Second is that when you search for things then tabbing should only go to valid choices not through everything as if you didn't just search [12:03] arch: >> #kubuntu channel >> questions