[12:02] and nobody can stop them (I tried) [12:02] what? for play buttons and normal stuff? [12:02] for everything [12:02] well, everything in amarok [12:02] aarrgh! [12:02] lol [12:03] oh, we even sent official mails asking them to stop and they said no [12:03] what if I have problems with my eyes and need some high-contrast-stuff? [12:03] does amarok-devs hate people with seeing disorder? [12:03] well, if you change the theme, then it will still change [12:03] basically they are adding another defualt for amarok before the rest of the kde icon stuff [12:04] but somehow it changes when you change themes [12:04] like with magic? [12:04] dude, half of amarok is magic I think [12:04] heh [12:04] ever hear the story how they made the nifty wave motion for the eq when you start it? [12:05] it was a bug [12:05] so they kept it [12:05] hahaha [12:05] sounds like coding demo-scene demos to me [12:05] yeah [12:05] I am always amazed at how well it works [12:07] have you tried sending off a mail to the xdg-list about the icon issue? someone over there must have a clue about how it should work [12:08] because I'm really interested in the issue [12:08] to be honest, since I stopped working for suse I have tried to stay away from conflict with my ex-colleagues [12:09] do you think it would be a conflict? I mean, it's just a question how it's supposed to work [12:10] oh, I am pretty sure it will be because it is an issue of tango and how that relates to the kde desktop in suse [12:11] hm, ok [12:11] all of my old friends are pretty much disliking their jobs now and simply want the easiest way out so they can do their job without a fight [12:11] eventually I will [12:12] when my stomach tells me to :-) [12:12] :) [12:13] interesting how much debate the whole issue has created [12:13] it's just icons [12:13] yeah, no shit [12:14] I will go along with anything as long as we do not force anyone to use one kind of artwork or another [12:14] :-) [12:14] forcing stuff on people sound offencive [12:14] but I agree [12:17] hehe, see I just got another mail about this stuff [12:17] the discussion will never end [12:18] man, it would be really cool to have a free desktop artists meeting at some point [12:18] meet some people in the community and stuff [12:18] I really wanted to make it to the libre graphic meeting but simply coudn't [12:18] yeah, I know [12:18] it was nice [12:19] I spend like two weeks a month away from home now [12:19] and theoretically I do not even have a job === doctormo [n=doctormo@spc1-reig2-0-0-cust643.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Konversation] [12:22] kwwii: did you mean this - http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-kde/2006-May/0001.html ? [12:23] lol [12:23] never saw that before [12:23] I was just kinda assuming it would be like that [12:24] I does make me feel good though :-) [12:24] crazy discussion [12:24] why is that? [12:24] not so crazy really [12:24] well, I did all the artwork at suse for 7 years (ie. kde) [12:24] and now I am gone [12:24] and they can try to sell kde with gnome icons [12:25] the whole point of this is to devalue kde and suse so the novell can sell gnome [12:25] totally bullshit [12:25] I had bosses telling me "we simply need to get rid of the suse customers so that we can sell novell linux" [12:26] I wish them all the luck in the world, thanks be to god I do not have to whore myself [12:26] with icons that are a mix of g-i-t and crystal, hm [12:27] if they would at least do it 100% it would not be soo bad [12:27] but if they do that they can simply remove kde as well [12:28] you mean mixing the styles fully, or implenting the style fully? [12:28] implement the style fully [12:28] desktop choice in linux is still a religion [12:29] yeah, I noticed [12:30] I'm more like that I care little about the desktops, and more about the apps [12:30] I just want things to look nice [12:30] :-) [12:30] and work well === Who_ [n=jonny@194-247-228-106.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:30] yeah [12:34] well, I hope the whole toolkit-nazism sorts out some time in the future, but I'll probably have to wait a couple of more years for that ;) [12:34] need to hit bed now [12:34] been nice chatting to you [12:34] night all! [12:35] see you soon [12:35] sleept well [12:35] thanks [12:35] you too [12:45] ok...night all [12:45] bis morgen === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Konversation] === marcin_ [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === marcin_ [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === megabyte405 [n=megabyte@user-0cdvltn.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Who_ [n=who@194-247-228-106.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === jak08 [n=Shane@cras80p141.navix.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === omeg [n=omega@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:omeg] : Ubuntu Artwork | What's going on? - Dapper usplash proposals: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/DapperPropositions === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === marcin_ [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === marcin_ [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === marcin_ [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.117.142] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kafeine [n=kori@87.126.79.245] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Nightshift [n=Nightshi@213.160.215.6] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dborg [n=daniel@e182052214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h110n4fls33o1104.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === omeg [n=omega@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B7BB84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:19] arrrgh [08:19] Just as I finish all my new propositions, someone posts that we must include sample text and OK/FAIL colors. [08:19] !@#$!@#$ [08:39] Well, major update from my part [08:39] Waiting for the page to save [08:41] Does Viper550 visit this channel under a different name? [08:41] Does anyone even look at this channel at all? :) [08:43] I'm lurking all the time :) [08:43] Yeah, I think that this is the first time I've actually seen you talk [08:44] How are you? [08:48] Tsh, those lurkers. They say something and then they're gone. I had a friend once, but then he became a lurker, too. Never heard of him again. [08:59] omeg: I do not think you need to post the edited pic, just the colors to show what they could/would be [09:00] Maybe. [09:00] Making pixel fonts is so incredibly boring. [09:01] I admit we are going somewhat over the top for one pic [09:01] artwork by commitee rarely works [09:01] Well, it is still the one screen that millions of people will see during startup... [09:02] that is true [09:02] but I know that making the kubuntu splash was a lot less work :-) [09:03] Was it? I wasn't around then, I think. [09:03] I only followed the mailing list occasionally until now. [09:03] Well, now that I've put so much effort in that stupid pic, I sure hope mine does get accepted... [09:04] I mean the one for dapper...it has been done for months [09:04] lol [09:04] I can imagine [09:05] 12th letter of the capitals done... [09:10] Wooh, all capitals done. [09:10] Fastest pixel font I've ever made. Now 30 minutes break and then to do lowercase... [09:12] how are you making it? [09:40] omeg: doing fine :) don't let those chennel lurkers annoy you === doctormo [n=doctormo@spc1-reig2-0-0-cust643.asfd.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:42] kwwii: xmbdfed [09:43] Also, back, and back to work... [09:43] omeg: cool, have fun...making a font is a lot of work [09:43] that is pretty impressive [09:47] Nah, anyone can make a pixel font in a short time. [09:47] Vector fonts take time, though. [09:47] My friend who works as pixel artist at a mobile phone gaming company said she made like 30 pixel fonts in one week, at one time. Only 2 were accepted. :P [09:47] hehe [09:48] well, making a true type font, with hinting, etc is not sooo easy [09:48] I wish it was [09:48] the ubuntu-title font needs a lot of work [09:50] Yeah, it has some kerning issues and it doesn't have any capitals. [09:56] I noticed the kerning issues [09:56] are you doing this "for fun"? [10:03] Now for some final tweaking... [10:04] Well, I'm going to send it to an Ubuntu dev who wanted to have a look at a new font for usplash. Whether it's for Dapper or Edgy, I don't know. I'm more than glad to submit one since I think the current usplash font is appaling. [10:04] There will probably be some kind of vote about that later if it's still for Dapper. [10:05] hehe [10:06] I see that voting is pretty popular [10:07] Well, I've finished the font, and it seems to work, but I can only open BDF fonts in xmbdfed. [10:07] Want to help me test it? [10:09] erm, what does that mean to my system? :-) [10:09] watching a football match at the moment :-) [10:09] Arsenal - Barcelona? [10:09] yepp [10:09] I was watching it until I decided to come back here to finish this thing :P [10:09] I guess I'll just upload it so others can test it later and go back to watching [10:09] :-) [10:09] I keep running back and forth [10:14] http://omega.avalanchestudios.net/personal/dropbox/usplash/new/Usplash_Mono.bdf [10:14] Whoever can test it, please do and give feedback if you have any. :) === dborg [n=daniel@e182056059.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@cust1772.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === marcin_ [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-artwork