[12:02] <kwwii> and nobody can stop them (I tried)
[12:02] <andreasn> what? for play buttons and normal stuff?
[12:02] <kwwii> for everything
[12:02] <kwwii> well, everything in amarok
[12:02] <andreasn> aarrgh!
[12:02] <kwwii> lol
[12:03] <kwwii> oh, we even sent official mails asking them to stop and they said no
[12:03] <andreasn> what if I have problems with my eyes and need some high-contrast-stuff?
[12:03] <andreasn> does amarok-devs hate people with seeing disorder?
[12:03] <kwwii> well, if you change the theme, then it will still change
[12:03] <kwwii> basically they are adding another defualt for amarok before the rest of the kde icon stuff
[12:04] <kwwii> but somehow it changes when you change themes
[12:04] <andreasn> like with magic?
[12:04] <kwwii> dude, half of amarok is magic I think
[12:04] <andreasn> heh
[12:04] <kwwii> ever hear the story how they made the nifty wave motion for the eq when you start it?
[12:05] <kwwii> it was a bug
[12:05] <kwwii> so they kept it
[12:05] <andreasn> hahaha
[12:05] <andreasn> sounds like coding demo-scene demos to me
[12:05] <kwwii> yeah
[12:05] <kwwii> I am always amazed at how well it works 
[12:07] <andreasn> have you tried sending off a mail to the xdg-list about the icon issue? someone over there must have a clue about how it should work
[12:08] <andreasn> because I'm really interested in the issue
[12:08] <kwwii> to be honest, since I stopped working for suse I have tried to stay away from conflict with my ex-colleagues
[12:09] <andreasn> do you think it would be a conflict? I mean, it's just a question how it's supposed to work
[12:10] <kwwii> oh, I am pretty sure it will be because it is an issue of tango and how that relates to the kde desktop in suse
[12:11] <andreasn> hm, ok
[12:11] <kwwii> all of my old friends are pretty much disliking their jobs now and simply want the easiest way out so they can do their job without a fight
[12:11] <kwwii> eventually I will
[12:12] <kwwii> when my stomach tells me to :-)
[12:12] <andreasn> :)
[12:13] <andreasn> interesting how much debate the whole issue has created
[12:13] <andreasn> it's just icons
[12:13] <kwwii> yeah, no shit
[12:14] <kwwii> I will go along with anything as long as we do not force anyone to use one kind of artwork or another
[12:14] <kwwii> :-)
[12:14] <andreasn> forcing stuff on people sound offencive
[12:14] <andreasn> but I agree
[12:17] <kwwii> hehe, see I just got another mail about this stuff
[12:17] <kwwii> the discussion will never end
[12:18] <andreasn> man, it would be really cool to have a free desktop artists meeting at some point
[12:18] <andreasn> meet some people in the community and stuff
[12:18] <kwwii> I really wanted to make it to the libre graphic meeting but simply coudn't
[12:18] <andreasn> yeah, I know
[12:18] <andreasn> it was nice
[12:19] <kwwii> I spend like two weeks a month away from home now
[12:19] <kwwii> and theoretically I do not even have a job
[12:22] <andreasn> kwwii: did you mean this - http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-kde/2006-May/0001.html ?
[12:23] <kwwii> lol
[12:23] <kwwii> never saw that before
[12:23] <kwwii> I was just kinda assuming it would be like that
[12:24] <kwwii> I does make me feel good though :-)
[12:24] <andreasn> crazy discussion
[12:24] <andreasn> why is that?
[12:24] <kwwii> not so crazy really
[12:24] <kwwii> well, I did all the artwork at suse for 7 years (ie. kde)
[12:24] <kwwii> and now I am gone
[12:24] <kwwii> and they can try to sell kde with gnome icons
[12:25] <kwwii> the whole point of this is to devalue kde and suse so the novell can sell gnome
[12:25] <kwwii> totally bullshit
[12:25] <kwwii> I had bosses telling me "we simply need to get rid of the suse customers so that we can sell novell linux"
[12:26] <kwwii> I wish them all the luck in the world, thanks be to god I do not have to whore myself
[12:26] <andreasn> with icons that are a mix of g-i-t and crystal, hm
[12:27] <kwwii> if they would at least do it 100% it would not be soo bad
[12:27] <kwwii> but if they do that they can simply remove kde as well
[12:28] <andreasn> you mean mixing the styles fully, or implenting the style fully?
[12:28] <kwwii> implement the style fully
[12:28] <kwwii> desktop choice in linux is still a religion
[12:29] <andreasn> yeah, I noticed
[12:30] <andreasn> I'm more like that I care little about the desktops, and more about the apps
[12:30] <kwwii> I just want things to look nice
[12:30] <kwwii> :-)
[12:30] <kwwii> and work well
[12:30] <andreasn> yeah
[12:34] <andreasn> well, I hope the whole toolkit-nazism sorts out some time in the future, but I'll probably have to wait a couple of more years for that ;)
[12:34] <andreasn> need to hit bed now
[12:34] <andreasn> been nice chatting to you
[12:34] <andreasn> night all!
[12:35] <kwwii> see you soon
[12:35] <kwwii> sleept well
[12:35] <andreasn> thanks
[12:35] <andreasn> you too
[12:45] <kwwii> ok...night all
[12:45] <kwwii> bis morgen
[08:19] <omeg> arrrgh
[08:19] <omeg> Just as I finish all my new propositions, someone posts that we must include sample text and OK/FAIL colors.
[08:19] <omeg> !@#$!@#$
[08:39] <omeg> Well, major update from my part
[08:39] <omeg> Waiting for the page to save
[08:41] <omeg> Does Viper550 visit this channel under a different name?
[08:41] <omeg> Does anyone even look at this channel at all? :)
[08:43] <jimmac> I'm lurking all the time :)
[08:43] <omeg> Yeah, I think that this is the first time I've actually seen you talk
[08:44] <omeg> How are you?
[08:48] <omeg> Tsh, those lurkers. They say something and then they're gone. I had a friend once, but then he became a lurker, too. Never heard of him again.
[08:59] <kwwii> omeg: I do not think you need to post the edited pic, just the colors to show what they could/would be
[09:00] <omeg> Maybe.
[09:00] <omeg> Making pixel fonts is so incredibly boring.
[09:01] <kwwii> I admit we are going somewhat over the top for one pic
[09:01] <kwwii> artwork by commitee rarely works
[09:01] <omeg> Well, it is still the one screen that millions of people will see during startup...
[09:02] <kwwii> that is true
[09:02] <kwwii> but I know that making the kubuntu splash was a lot less work :-)
[09:03] <omeg> Was it? I wasn't around then, I think.
[09:03] <omeg> I only followed the mailing list occasionally until now.
[09:03] <omeg> Well, now that I've put so much effort in that stupid pic, I sure hope mine does get accepted...
[09:04] <kwwii> I mean the one for dapper...it has been done for months
[09:04] <kwwii> lol
[09:04] <kwwii> I can imagine
[09:05] <omeg> 12th letter of the capitals done...
[09:10] <omeg> Wooh, all capitals done.
[09:10] <omeg> Fastest pixel font I've ever made. Now 30 minutes break and then to do lowercase...
[09:12] <kwwii> how are you making it?
[09:40] <jimmac> omeg: doing fine :) don't let those chennel lurkers annoy you
[09:42] <omeg> kwwii: xmbdfed
[09:43] <omeg> Also, back, and back to work...
[09:43] <kwwii> omeg: cool, have fun...making a font is a lot of work
[09:43] <kwwii> that is pretty impressive
[09:47] <omeg> Nah, anyone can make a pixel font in a short time.
[09:47] <omeg> Vector fonts take time, though.
[09:47] <omeg> My friend who works as pixel artist at a mobile phone gaming company said she made like 30 pixel fonts in one week, at one time. Only 2 were accepted. :P
[09:47] <kwwii> hehe
[09:48] <kwwii> well, making a true type font, with hinting, etc is not sooo easy
[09:48] <omeg> I wish it was
[09:48] <kwwii> the ubuntu-title font needs a lot of work
[09:50] <omeg> Yeah, it has some kerning issues and it doesn't have any capitals.
[09:56] <kwwii> I noticed the kerning issues
[09:56] <kwwii> are you doing this "for fun"?
[10:03] <omeg> Now for some final tweaking...
[10:04] <omeg> Well, I'm going to send it to an Ubuntu dev who wanted to have a look at a new font for usplash. Whether it's for Dapper or Edgy, I don't know. I'm more than glad to submit one since I think the current usplash font is appaling.
[10:04] <omeg> There will probably be some kind of vote about that later if it's still for Dapper.
[10:05] <kwwii> hehe
[10:06] <kwwii> I see that voting is pretty popular 
[10:07] <omeg> Well, I've finished the font, and it seems to work, but I can only open BDF fonts in xmbdfed.
[10:07] <omeg> Want to help me test it?
[10:09] <kwwii> erm, what does that mean to my system? :-)
[10:09] <kwwii> watching a football match at the moment :-)
[10:09] <omeg> Arsenal - Barcelona?
[10:09] <kwwii> yepp
[10:09] <omeg> I was watching it until I decided to come back here to finish this thing :P
[10:09] <omeg> I guess I'll just upload it so others can test it later and go back to watching
[10:09] <kwwii> :-)
[10:09] <kwwii> I keep running back and forth
[10:14] <omeg> http://omega.avalanchestudios.net/personal/dropbox/usplash/new/Usplash_Mono.bdf
[10:14] <omeg> Whoever can test it, please do and give feedback if you have any. :)