=== j_ack [n=nico@p508D93BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] does anybody know how the spec process will work for Edgy? How do we know what is an edgy spec or a dapper spec or does it matter? [12:14] LaserJock, just create specs for ubuntu [12:14] they will be looked at and retargeted as needed [12:15] Burgwork: by the Ubuntu (slave) drivers? :-) [12:16] yep [12:18] keybuk: is udev compatible with ifplugd === Hwyvar [n=Ferdinan@cp106356-c.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] sladen: No, it replaces it [12:28] There a methodology by which base packages are marked? ie needed to be bootstrapped on a new arch? [12:29] ubuntu-minimal has stuff like xfsprogs, which clearly doesn't. [12:29] i think the maintainer of the packages just know [12:29] Hmm. Maybe I should tear into debootstrap and see what it uses. [12:29] mono wasnt marked when we had to manually bootstrap it === WildTangent [n=justin_@d141-169-31.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] I mean distro packages. [12:30] i dont see what the difference is [12:30] required for boot. === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-44-82-64-126-45.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] hey guys, anyone know if open office has logging capabilities? [12:31] Not sure if anyone is aware yet, but the latest updates seem to break the icon beside the applications menu for any icon theme other than Human, Tangerine and Tango [12:31] Heh. Looks like debootstrap has some hard coded items. [12:31] instead of the normal Ubuntu logo, i see the standard gnome foot logo [12:31] WildTangent, true i just noticed that too [12:31] i preffer the foot logo my self but for ubuntu it should be the logo *nod* [12:31] the gnome foot annoys me :) === _jdong [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] Ahh. Priority: important === coz_ [n=coz_@c-71-236-91-89.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] coz_ here has the same problem as I do [12:33] well the recent dapper updates, as of 15 minutes ago, have replaced the distributor-logo next to applications with the gnome foot. I don't hink so. How can this be changed systemically [12:33] wasabi__: probably Required+Important [12:34] I found that even in my own icon set the logo has been replaced [12:34] coz_ there is no distributor-logo.png anymore besides the ones that come with the Ubuntu-made themes [12:34] WildTangent, it iwas in hicolor and is now gone [12:35] hmm need to solve this [12:35] indeed [12:35] this is quite upsetting [12:35] have you guys looked at the dapper-changes to see what the changelog says [12:35] WildTangent: I doubt there is a need to be upset :-) === jdong_ [n=jdong@d149-67-101-201.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] perhaps Ubuntu is trying to make each theme decide its own logo...but the problem is, it doesn't seem that the theme-makers have quite caught onto this ;) [12:36] LaserJock, no I haven't looked and I don't hink anyone is upset just taken back by the inappropriate change [12:36] ya...and there doesn't seem to be a way for us mere mortals to fix it ;) [12:36] I've tried many things, nothing has worked === Firetech [n=Jocke@h78n2fls311o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] I am sure whoever is capable of changing this will do so soon I have great confidence in you guys look forward to the change back to the ubuntu logo for the gnome menus === coz_ [n=coz_@c-71-236-91-89.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:38] where is the changelog? [12:38] i cannot find it [12:38] somewhere in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/ [12:38] WildTangent, file a bug against the tangerine icon theme [12:40] Burgwork: how are you sure that Tangerine is the problem? I've already stated that the icons in Human, Tangerine, and Tango all work, its the icons in 3rd party themes included with Gnome, and downloaded from places like gnome-looks.org that dont display the correct logo [12:40] they worked before the update, but now they dont [12:41] WildTangent: look at what packages were updated [12:42] I am trying, but your changelog is hard to navigate [12:43] WildTangent: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-May/date.html [12:43] WildTangent, then the issue is not an Ubuntu one [12:43] and if you used aptitude or synaptic look at the history [12:44] Burgwork: it is obviously an Ubuntu issue...this problem did not surface until immediately after the updates [12:44] others have confirmed this [12:44] they have the exact same problem as I do [12:45] but the question might be if it was an upstream thing or whether it was an accident, etc. [12:46] tangerine-icon-theme (0.12-0ubuntu1) to 0.13-0ubuntu1, tango-icon-theme (0.7.2-0ubuntu2) to 0.7.2-0ubuntu3, tango-icon-theme-common (0.1-0ubuntu1) to 0.2-0ubuntu1, ubuntu-artwork (18) to 20 [12:47] those are the theme updates today [12:47] all ubuntu packages [12:48] ok, so then you can find them on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-May/date.html and look at the changelog [12:48] latest i can find for tango was may 11 [12:48] WildTangent, tomorrow, as dholbach about it. He does all the icon stuff === marcin_ [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] WildTangent: ok, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-May/010964.html and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-May/010976.html [12:50] thankyou [12:51] nothing looks suspect in there...maybe this was an unintentional mistake [12:51] in either case, it needs to be fixed :) [12:51] WildTangent: so go file a bug :-) [12:51] I shall === olafura [n=olafura@a058.nemendur.hi.is] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] I'm just wondering why libvisual plugins aren't appart of the gstreamer0.10-plugins-base in dapper? [01:01] olafura, you need to talk to slomo__ === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0E27E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] olafura, I would also check launchpad for any bugs === marcin_ [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] is it just me or do the new java distribution terms for distros look very _ugly_ [01:14] especially - Ship only a compatible JDK on your OS [01:15] Very few packages have pure binary-indep support that's optimized eh === WildTangent [n=justin_@d141-169-31.home.cgocable.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["www.w1ldt4ng3nt.net"] [01:27] morning [01:27] morning :) === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool is now known as ToadZzZztool === j_ack [n=nico@p508D8FA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pietrus [n=pietrus@c9258fb6.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pietrus [n=pietrus@c9258fb6.virtua.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:23] Kamion: install kernel append .... preseed/url=http://foo/bar - that creates a var preseed/url - how can I wget that? (the / screws up $preseed/url) === FunnyLookinHat [n=FunnyLoo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.162.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] hello, anyone know why pessulus isn't included in dapper? [03:06] joelbryan, it is part of the admin stuff, and thus is not shipped by default [03:06] joelbryan, it is a great tool, but not one that everybody needs [03:06] ah [03:06] it's a great app [03:07] Burgundavia: I thought the reason was it has a epiphany tab by default, which really easy to fix [03:09] nope === proconsul [n=hegemon@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === proconsul [n=hegemon@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [03:15] libc failed on arm. =( [03:15] that was quick. === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olafura_ [n=olafura@a058.nemendur.hi.is] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@12.37.188.67] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.253.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] Howdy === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:57] good morning === aigarius [n=aigarius@201.160.20.136.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@200217110075.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=ownthebo@AC8E0487.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04] Heya jsgotangco === NormHimself [n=ubuntu@c-68-42-28-164.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@AC8E0487.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi__ beats distcc [04:20] Anyone know aobut the libmysqlclient update? === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@201.160.20.136.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poimen [n=poimen@206.248.107.189] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:09] big bad dapper bug!!! [05:10] if multiple users are logged in when you plugin a usb storage device then the 'wrong one' mounts it and gains sole permission to it [05:10] my sister tried to load up her mp3 player with my other sister logged in in the background [05:11] I guess, the one logged in first gets it? [05:11] actually, it's a crapshoot [05:11] but the one logged in first seems to have a statistical advantage [05:12] the tools in the background (same problem for sound!) doesn't get any information, that a session is locked/disabled... [05:13] that's not a normal bug, that's just missing design... [05:23] ya [05:23] seriously === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-224-132.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [n=bronson@pool-71-255-161-173.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:40] desrt, I wonder if this is a pam_foreground bug [05:41] such a thing exists? [05:41] such a total shot int eh dark === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] the best thing i can think of is for g-v-m to check /var/run/console to make sure that the current vt belongs to the logged-in user [05:49] desrt, talk to mjg59_ as this is a solved issue [05:49] not really === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:49] mjg59 solved it for power management via dbus [05:50] mounting of hotplugged storage occurs by execing pmount (setuid), not over dbus [05:53] does lib_pamforeground not solve the "whose is currently in control of this computer" issue? [05:54] this isn't really a pam thing, though [05:54] unless the change it made to pmount.... === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:21] Burgundavia; sorry. you were right. [06:21] Burgundavia; there is definitely code in place to deal with this [06:22] Burgundavia; for some reason it does not work [06:23] desrt, see, my totally non-technical knowledge pays off [06:23] ahah [06:23] the effected computer is probably running the old version [06:23] the fix went in just a few days ago [06:23] thank god.. i can now go to sleep at a reasonable hour tonight :) [06:26] ew. [06:26] *affected [06:26] anyway. thanks. goodnight. [06:30] There we go. [06:30] Compiling Ubuntu on Debian/ARM in qemu using distcc with a cross compiling toolchain to my fast machine. [06:58] http://news.com.com/Sun+flirts+with+Ubuntu/2100-7344_3-6073104.html?tag=nefd.top [06:58] Now that's interesting. [07:01] yeah [07:11] maybe sun could be friendly back and license their jvm so that ubuntu was actually able to ship it === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-228-205.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:12] it'll be cute when sun is shipping an OS on their servers that is not legally able to include sun's own platform [07:13] They have. [07:13] apt-get install sun-j2sdk or something [07:13] it's there right now. [07:13] in universe, multiverse? [07:13] good question [07:14] multiverse [07:14] But it is finally packaged properly. [07:14] that's nice [07:15] I'm a bit disappointed actually. [07:15] I really like GCJ/kaffe. ;) [07:15] gcj is quite elite. [07:15] gcj is officially what makes java better than c# [07:15] Heh. WHy do you say that? [07:15] native code [07:15] C# has the same. [07:15] no need for a runtime environment [07:15] Done in pretty much the same way. [07:16] gcj still has a runtime environment. [07:16] In fact, for EJB, and servlets, it's pretty much neccassary. [07:16] well, you need a GC, etc... [07:17] but i mean no virtual machine [07:17] it has a runtime in the sense that ghc-compiled executables do [07:17] Well... Dunno what you mean by no virtual machine. It's a very fine line. [07:17] GCJ needs to be able to compile java code and bytecode on the fly. [07:17] To compile servlets and applets on the fly. [07:17] And runtime bytecode generation. [07:18] At the end of the day, they're all just generating bits of machine language and linking them together on the fly. [07:18] Or reading pre-built bits off the disk. [07:18] C# has a precompilation thing. Basically just plugs in and circumvents the JIT. [07:19] anyway. time for bed. [07:19] see you. === omeg [n=omega@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178058200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-8-223.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] glatzor: ping [07:34] hi jsgotangco! === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] glatzor: hey, i don't think we can do so much for the u-m guide now [07:35] the current u-m is so different [07:35] u-m? === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-245-175.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:36] Burgundavia: update-manager [07:36] THe manual covers update-manager and the software properties [07:36] ah [07:37] that's a pity. [07:39] well its my fault too i didnt look at it that much, but since both u-m and software propterties are separate now, the guide is really outdated [07:39] jsgotangco: I will take a detailed look at the manual [07:40] ok the current u-m only has 4 buttons [07:43] jsgotangco: update-manager istn't the problem. it only needs some minor changes and updated screenshots [07:43] but the software-properties are slightly out of date :) [07:43] I could perhaps fix this today, since I am going to stay at home today (bike accident). [07:44] jsgotangco: Burgundavia: you would agree to a freeze breakage exception? [07:44] glatzor: oh [07:46] as long as we can still upload i think its ok, there's a scheduled flight 8 this friday === jsgotangco is at work atm, doesnt have his tree [07:46] jsgotangco: (no, that was cancelled.) === para_site [n=Schnucum@proxy.iiit.ac.in] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:46] ahh [07:47] mandatory holiday and all === mdz [n=mdz@201.134.153.146] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.253.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === para_site [n=Schnucum@proxy.iiit.ac.in] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [07:59] has anybody seen his screen turning yellow recently? [07:59] mine is nearly complete in yellow === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] Good morning! [08:04] 'morning :) [08:04] glatzor: yeah that was a known issue, but i belive its tagged as fixed === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] ok === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:13] hello === j^ [n=j@e178058200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] morning all [08:41] hi [08:44] infinity: bug 39484 can be closed now, right? [08:44] Malone bug 39484 in samba "cups smb printing backend no longer works" [Major,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39484 [08:44] infinity: I'll upload the fix for another major printing regression now and then will do a new round of cupsys bug triage and call for testing === Xof [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:50] does Ubuntu prompt for a screen res when configuring X or is that Debian [08:51] ubuntu only does that for wonky graphics setups where it can't be detected automatically === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@175.Red-88-9-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] heya sabdfl [08:56] jsgotangco: I would like to keep software-properties and update-manager in one document [08:56] but I am unsure. [08:58] jsgotangco: one again yellow :/ [08:59] pitti: Yes, there are a mess of bugs I need to close now. [09:00] infinity: yay === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] phew... cups is back on track again :) [09:04] ivoks, heh, CUPS 1.2 on Kubuntu? :) [09:05] pygi: CUPS 1.2 upstream :) [09:05] ivoks, eh :) === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B2276.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] ivoks: yay upstream patch for the octet-stream printing :) === pitti gives dholbach a good morning hug [09:07] heya pitti! === dholbach hugs pitti [09:07] ivoks: as soon as my flatmate went out of bed, I'l grab him for testing and then I'll upload the fix [09:07] s/went/gets/ [09:07] :) [09:07] infinity: right, thanks [09:07] pitti: yeah, that patch fixed IPP [09:08] pitti: You're the only person I know who actually wants his english corrected, so I'd be remiss if I didn't do so. :) [09:08] but SMB is fishy... i won't say anything untill i test it [09:08] where should I send failed installation logs to? [09:08] ivoks: which direction? the cups -> windows print server direction should have been fixed yesterday (thanks to infinity) [09:09] i need computer with working windows :/ [09:09] infinity: or do you mean windows client to cups server over smb? [09:09] Wrong "i" nick. [09:09] pitti: i get access denied on printer, but it could be config issue [09:09] Access denied sounds a lot better than segfaults... [09:09] infinity: I should really get breakfast before doing anything serious... [09:09] :) === infinity wonders how many more times the icons on his desktop are going to change before release. [09:10] It's like I get a whole new OS when I wake up and upgrade every morning. [09:10] did they change again? === pitti calls restartgnome and watches [09:11] My Audio CD icon changed, and the connect types for NetworkManager got new icons. Not sure what else. [09:11] infinity, grumble. UI freeze has come and gone [09:11] also, did the System menu get shorter yesterday? I don't actually miss anything, but I have the feeling something was dropped [09:12] (I do like the new network monitor icons) [09:12] oh, I know! "Lock screen" -- /me looks at dholbach [09:12] Yeah, lock screen went away. And those icons keep changing too. [09:12] Log out is completely different today. [09:12] And had a computer with a power off button. Hrm. Mixed signals much? :) [09:13] pitti: hu? [09:13] dholbach: moo [09:14] they are going to change [09:14] pitti: I expect we're meant to lock the screen from the logoff menu now. [09:14] and some icons might not be in the right place - I had to transition to use icon-naming-utils === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] I'm not happy about it, but that's the way it is -- you can poke me or file a bug if something is wrong / feels wrong === infinity just cheats and locks the screen using his laptop lid button anyway. [09:15] dholbach: putting 'lock screen' behind an icon with a power switch is even worse than putting 'change user' behind it... [09:15] hey seb128 [09:15] hello pitti [09:15] dholbach: aside from that, it's an extra click [09:15] and the System menu isn't exactly crowded... [09:15] pitti: it will change - bug is known, removing lockscreen was Mark's decision [09:16] If the recycle icon weren't already used for garbage/trash, it would be the ideal icon for "switch user/reboot/log out"... Too bad, really. [09:16] The whole feel of "recycling the computer" would work well. Damn Microsoft for turing that into a "deleted files" logo for everyone. === pitti votes for a single 'System' menu entry 'Change system state...' which pops a huge dialog with 23 big icons === infinity laughs. [09:17] pitti: "Do something" [09:17] "Make it so!" [09:17] Why not get rid of the panel and menus altogether, and just have a huge icon in the middle of the desktop labelled "use computer"? [09:17] lol [09:17] way to go [09:18] Can someone upload that change to edgy on June 2nd? :) [09:18] :-P [09:18] pitti: well... [09:18] pitti: printing works, but windows says "Access denied, unable to connect" [09:18] Argh, windows again :-/ [09:19] ivoks: Err... [09:19] ivoks: It prints *and* says access denied? [09:19] ivoks: erm, you mean printing from the windows box works? or just in genereal, i. e. locally? [09:19] right [09:19] from windows to cups1.2 works (ipp and smb) [09:19] Maybe Windows is trying to view the spool and hasn't enough permissions to do that? [09:19] but smb says Access denied, unable to connect [09:19] (Hence the access denied) [09:19] could be [09:20] i don't do printing over samba very often :) [09:20] Okay, quick, someone tell me how to setup a null printer (print to postscript or something) in CUPS. [09:20] I can test the Windows->SMB->CUPS stuff here. [09:20] But I have no printer. :) === pitti would guess 'DeviceURI file:///tmp/print.ps' in /etc/cups/printers.conf [09:22] i could be my windows broken... [09:22] s/^i/it [09:23] lol [09:23] after restart it says Ready [09:24] pitti: turn /apps/panel/global/upstream_session, restart your panel, be happy ;) [09:24] ivoks, windows = always broken :) [09:24] but doesn't print :) [09:24] omg [09:25] seb128: I LOVE YOU! [09:25] Holy crap, "reading printer database" takes forever... [09:26] (Can you tell this is the first time I've ever run gnome-cups-admin?) [09:26] Treenaks: lol, no need of that much but thank you ;) [09:26] Oh, and that was useless anyway. === infinity tried hand-tweaking as pitti suggests. [09:26] seb128: If I'd know of that gconf key earlier.. :) [09:26] +n [09:27] Treenaks: reading the ChangeLog entries is useful :p [09:27] seb128: sometimes there are too many === mdke wonders if everyone is going to set that key [09:27] infinity: you can create an arbitrary printer and then change printers.conf manually; the file:/// destination is disabled by default for some reason === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] bug 45180 [09:29] Malone bug 45180 in xubuntu-live "After install xubuntu from live cd, xubuntu-live package is also installed" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/45180 [09:29] my fresh install of Ubuntu's time is wrong. How do i fix it? [09:29] is that normal, just not seen with ubuntu/kubuntu because they don;t ship more language support packs? [09:29] when i run ntpdate, it says "no servers can be used" [09:30] janimo, no, that shouldnt be there [09:30] pitti: Hrm, cups-pdf seemed to be precisely what I wanted, but doesn't actually do anything. [09:31] pitti: Does it need updating to work with cups 1.2? [09:31] infinity: cups-pdf iz broken [09:31] pygi: so ubuntu-live is not on an ubiquity installed system? [09:31] you need to run cups as root for that [09:31] infinity: bug 36093 [09:31] Malone bug 36093 in cups-pdf "needs to be fixed to work with cupsd running as non-root" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36093 [09:32] pitti: Ahh. How do I mangle cups to run as root? Init script? [09:32] infinity: luckily, Mike Sweet already started implementing native PDF support for cups [09:32] janimo, well, ubuntu-live *and therefore xubuntu-live* shouldnt be there after installation [09:32] infinity: Mike removed the RunAsUser option in 1.2, so you can't any more [09:32] he did? [09:32] pygi: ok thanks [09:32] janimo, that bug for ubuntu-live was fixed I think [09:32] hendry: #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 [09:32] oh my [09:32] (that was a very bad idea, yes...) [09:32] Oh. Fun. [09:32] infinity: in his opinion, RunAsUser was unsafe, and distros should rather use SELinux and the like [09:32] lol === infinity removes cups-pdf and does it the other way. [09:33] i guess he never tried to use selinux :) [09:33] Kamion: is it ubiquity that has to be told not to install xubuntu-live? [09:33] infinity: ah, edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and add 'FileDevice Yes' [09:34] afaict my smb.conf is ok, but it's access denied and it prints [09:34] janimo, hi, I have casper and ubiquity packages installed on the HD too === looksaus [n=mark@86-39-96-114.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] Gloubiboulga: hi, ok let's see what the desktop CD people say [09:34] infinity: then you can create an arbitrary printer (preferably with Generic/PostScript driver) in gnome-cups-add and then change printers.conf [09:34] Gloubiboulga, ergh, I thought that bug was fixed [09:34] from what live cd? [09:35] may 15th IIRC [09:35] pygi: it may not have been for xubuntu if an explicit blacklist of some sort is needed [09:35] I can trry with a more recent live cd [09:35] Gloubiboulga, no need. [09:35] jamesh, indeed [09:35] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/40067 [09:35] Malone bug 40067 in firefox "firefox freezes after a few secs on ppc" [Normal,Confirmed] [09:36] what else can I do to find out more information about this one so the bug can be rooted out? [09:36] janimo, have you tracked bug like that for Ubuntu on launchpad? [09:36] perhaps there is an explanation [09:37] pygi: I was not aware of such a bug till this morning when Gloubiboulga reported it [09:37] I'm willing to setup a vnc server or something for a developer to check remotely [09:37] pitti: Hrm, no dice. When I try to print a test page, it just sits there with "Printing 1 Jobs" (yay, badly formatted strings) and doesn't spit anything out to the file. [09:38] I'm getting a bit scared that this problem might still be there with the Dapper release [09:38] janimo, hm, I can try tracking it down later if you want [09:38] infinity: anything in /var/log/cups/error_log? [09:38] infinity: did you set the destination to somewhere in /tmp? [09:38] pitti: also, printing/browsing/everything works fine with 1.1<->1.2 [09:38] pygi: thanks, if we don;t get a clarification on irc this morning [09:38] E [17/May/2006:17:36:17 +1000] [Job 1] No %%BoundingBox: comment in header! [09:39] pitti: Yeah, I just copied and pasted your stuff from above. :) [09:39] pitti: Looks like it doesn't like the job itself. Awesome. [09:40] infinity: hm, that works fine for me [09:40] Hrm. My DeviceURI got over written... [09:40] Weird [09:40] infinity: I grabbed a postscript file, created a file:/// printer 'f' and did 'lp -d f /home/martin/latex/test/formel.ps' [09:42] hm... [09:42] ivoks: darn, none of my flatmates is at home and I don't know their windows passwords; if you confirm that the patch really fixes octet-strem, I'll just upload it [09:42] smbd[14535] : astro (192.168.0.101) couldn't find service ::{2227a280-3aea-1069-a2de-08002b30309d} === Rotund [n=joe@d37-99.rb.lax.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] pitti: it does for IPP, but i'm not 100% sure this is everything needed to get SMB printing back on track [09:43] pitti: windows passwords? :)) [09:43] ivoks: alright, then let's test and rock [09:43] pitti: that's easy... [09:43] pitti: i'm sure none of them has password for 'Administrator' account [09:43] pitti: Okay, got that sorted. Now to test from Windows... [09:43] ivoks: I don't know the Windows equivalent of 'init=/bin/bash' :) [09:44] pitti: on login screen, hit ctrl+alt+del twice [09:44] ivoks: they have, and they don't work as admin. Just because they are *my* flatmates :) [09:44] pitti: and enter Administrator for username, blank password [09:44] pitti: works in 99% of cases :D [09:44] if it's XP [09:47] so, java is going open source after all? says Shwartz [09:48] pitti, sorry to bring this up again, but is there a chance to consider a separate evince-gtk source pkg for main? [09:48] doing it withing evince proper is too instrusive [09:48] and I have cleaned up the package FWIW so it's almost like the evince one [09:49] pitti: Okay, same results. A WinXP test page printed fine, but the spool viewer claims lack of rights to the printer. [09:49] otherwise an alternative would be another app in main (epdfview) but evince is more tested [09:49] ivoks, indeed, just we dont know which licence yet [09:49] pitti: I'll poke at that. [09:49] ivoks, perhaps "Sun Open Source Licence" :-D [09:49] infinity: imho, this is samba issue [09:49] another alternative is no doc viewer at all in default install [09:49] ivoks: Perhaps, but I don't recall ever having this issue before. [09:50] me too [09:50] infinity: smbd[14535] : astro (192.168.0.101) couldn't find service ::{2227a280-3aea-1069-a2de-08002b30309d} [09:50] infinity: that's only error i get in logs [09:50] janimo: just considering security, I'd vote for no doc viewer by default to avoid yet more source to fix [09:51] pitti: Should I be concerned about all the "cupsdAuthorize: Local authentication certificate not found!" in the log file? [09:51] crimsun: right, althoug most flaws are in poppler not the viewver itslef no? [09:51] ivoks: In which log are you seeing that? [09:51] janimo: hmm, yes [09:51] infinity: syslog (i redirected samba logs in syslog, and set syslog level to 256) [09:52] infinity: astro is a client machine [09:52] pitti: Also, cupsd complains repeatedly about not being able to open access_log. [09:52] infinity: certificate is cause it trys SSL first [09:52] tries [09:52] crimsun: and the slight advantage over this kind of duplication is that you fix the same thing, whereas with a totally different app you may have a new flaw altogether [09:53] pitti: Hrm, which could be because it was created as root... [09:53] s/over/of/ [09:56] ivoks: Okay, as I thought. The "Access Denied" is because WinXP is probing to see if it can admin the remote print spool. [09:57] ivoks: Adding "printer admin = @lpadmin" to my smb.conf, doing "adduser testuser lpadmin", and restarting samba made the error go away. [09:58] infinity: right... [09:58] ivoks: Either way, with or without that error, I can print to the printer just fine. The error seems to only relate to spool manipulation, not job creation. [09:58] pitti: ^^^ [09:58] infinity: but... you know what's funny [09:58] infinity: after restart it's Ready and doesn't print [09:58] so... i don't know should i laugh or cry [09:59] ivoks: Okay, that's bizarre. On mine, it's "Ready" and prints fine. :) === morg1 [n=ubuntu@dsl-165-252-105.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === morg1 is now known as morgs_ [10:00] i really hope vista will have IPP browsing [10:01]