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LaserJockcrimsun: xmaxima and wxmaxima work fine in sid, it must be something we did12:39
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crimsunLaserJock: hmm02:20
LaserJockcrimsun: yeah, I don't understand what would have happended between sid and dapper that would do that02:21
LaserJockother than perhaps the port is shutdown in Ubuntu or something, I dont' see how02:22
ajmitchhi02:27
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crimsun'lo ajmitch02:27
LaserJockhi ajmitch02:27
LaserJockok, now this bug is just making me mad02:31
crimsunmad? time to spend some time w/ the wife and away from ooboontoo, then :-)02:31
LaserJockyeah, I've got to go home and have dinner with wife and inlaws02:32
crimsunkk. Don't worry, the bugs will be waiting when you return :-)02:32
LaserJockbut I want them fixed now :-)02:32
crimsunand I want a pony :-)02:33
LaserJockdon't we all ;-)02:34
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LaserJockcrimsun: is it possible that Ubuntu would be blocking port 4008?02:43
LaserJockuggh. anyway, dinner awaits02:47
crimsunLaser_away: no, we don't have any iptables+netfilter rules active by default02:47
crimsunwell, aside from ACCEPT02:47
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Laser_awaycrimsun: darn it, I just don't see why it shouldn't work in Dapper03:37
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bddebianHeya gang03:46
crimsunhi bddebian03:46
bddebianHeya crimsun03:47
ajmitchhi bddebian03:48
bddebianHi ajmitch03:48
Laser_awayhi bddebian03:49
bddebianHowdy Laser_away03:49
bddebianWhat's up gang?03:52
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LaserJockgrumbles I suppose03:54
bddebianHeh03:54
bddebianAre these libmysqlclient apps supposed to be build against libmysqlclient15 instead of 10?04:10
bddebians/build/built/04:10
LaserJockI blame bddebian for maxima not working right, he touched it last :-)04:12
bddebian:'-(04:12
bddebianWhat did I do?04:12
LaserJockunfortunately I don't think you did anything04:12
LaserJockif you had it would be easy to undo04:12
bddebian:-)04:12
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bddebianDamn, where's dholbach when I need him??04:19
bddebianHeya zul04:19
zulhey bddebian04:20
zulthe mysql stuff?04:20
bddebianYeah04:20
bddebianAre these libmysqlclient apps supposed to be build against libmysqlclient15 instead of 10?04:21
zuli think so04:21
zul*sigh* i love it when they fail04:25
bddebianWho fails?04:29
zulmysql-navigator with libmysqlcient15-dev04:29
bddebianHmm, I'm starting from the top, so hopefully we don't cross the streams :-)04:30
zulim working from the bottom and doing some random ones04:30
zuljust to see04:30
bddebianlinesrv seemed to work OK04:31
zulbleah why would an irc client depend on mysql04:34
bddebianLord only knows04:35
bddebianzul: Are you SURE we are supposed to be using libmysql15? :-)04:35
ajmitchbddebian: why?04:37
bddebianajmitch: Why what?04:38
ajmitchwhy are you asking about that?04:38
bddebianTo help clean up the list04:39
LaserJockbddebian: it is libmysqlclient15off04:47
LaserJockthat things need to be rebuilt against04:47
zulyeah im stopping until i find out more04:49
bddebianWTF is the off?04:49
LaserJock< dholbach> a bunch of stuff needs rebuilding again libmysqlclient15off04:50
LaserJock< dholbach> infinity said they'd be *really* straightforward as the mysql api virtually never changes04:50
LaserJockfrom my grepping the irc logs ;-)04:50
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bddebianLaserJock: Coolio, thx05:02
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Hobbseehi all07:52
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Gloubiboulgahello08:13
Hobbseehi glu08:13
Hobbseehi Gloubiboulga08:13
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Gloubiboulgahey Hobbsee :)08:14
bhuvanhi, i'm trying my hand on packaging. i run 'sudo pbuilder create'. it seem to download entire packages from "main". is this step mandatory ?08:22
Gloubiboulgabhuvan, I think so08:23
bhuvanGloubiboulga, are you aware of approx. size ?08:23
Gloubiboulgabhuvan, I can't tell08:23
bhuvanok. all i wish to do is create the package for "kibitz" command. i assume i'm in right path08:24
crimsunbhuvan: it's about 300 MB08:24
crimsunand yes, it's mandatory.08:24
crimsunit only downloads and installs base08:24
bhuvanoh ok, thank you08:24
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sivangho ho motu world08:41
crimsunhi sivang08:41
sivanghey crimsun , what's up?08:56
crimsunsivang: grunting through gvimdiff, yourself?08:57
sivangcrimsun: currently busy with stuff in the office, hopefully be getting less hectic towards noon :)08:58
crimsunsivang: excellent09:00
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phanaticmorning09:01
crimsunhullo phanatic09:01
phanatichey crimsun09:01
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sivangcrimsun: then attending to some bug fixes, which is the best I can do when at work, anything other then that demands more attention, is for home time :)09:04
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phanaticheya sivang :)09:06
phanaticmornin dholbach09:06
dholbachhey phanatic09:06
dholbachgood morning MOTU World!09:06
crimsun'morning daniel09:08
dholbachhey Daniel09:09
dholbachhow's it going?09:09
crimsunnot bad, sifting through remaining alsa merges09:09
crimsunyourself?09:09
dholbachnice09:10
sivanghey phanatic09:10
dholbachI'm gradually waking up and after some icon work, I'll get cracking on 42679246 unread bug mails :)09:10
crimsunah, the life :-009:11
crimsunerr :-)09:11
dholbachhehe :)09:12
Hobbseehehe09:12
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Sp4rKyhi10:00
Sp4rKyplease, i'm new in ubuntu packaging10:01
Sp4rKyand i need some help about packaging of audacious10:01
Sp4rKydoes anyone could help me ?10:01
crimsunSp4rKy: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html10:02
Hobbseeargh, how do you check the rdepends of a package again?10:02
Sp4rKyyes i know that10:02
Sp4rKythx10:02
crimsunHobbsee: meaning ``apt-cache rdepends foo'' ?10:03
Hobbseeahh...10:03
Hobbseethat's it10:03
Sp4rKycrimsun, i may split binary and library but :/10:04
Sp4rKy...10:04
crimsunSp4rKy: ..."but"?10:05
Sp4rKycrimsun, but I do not arrive there10:06
crimsunsorry, but I don't understand you10:07
Sp4rKycrimsun, i don't made succes with split of binary and library10:08
Sp4rKythe library package has been created10:08
Sp4rKybut doesn't contain anything10:08
Sp4rKy(i'm sorry , my english is very poor :/ )10:09
crimsunSp4rKy: then you probably need to use debian/libfoo.install10:09
Sp4rKyi'll try , thx for your help10:09
crimsunSp4rKy: the packaging guide doesn't explain that process; you'd need to read the new maintainer's guide and the developer's manual10:09
Sp4rKyi've read the new maintainers guide (a part of it)10:10
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AnAntmay someone help me with creating a package ?10:22
AnAntI used pbuilder to create elinks-0.11.1 package , but it called the package elinks_0.11-0.0upstream.deb10:22
AnAntwhy is that ?10:22
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ivoksthe name of the package is the one in changelog10:22
AnAntoh ok10:22
AnAntthanks !10:23
ivoksopen changelog and look at first line10:23
AnAntcool !10:24
AnAntyes, that's good10:24
AnAnthow/where do I submit my new package ?10:32
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ivoksto revu10:32
ivokshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU10:33
AnAntthx10:35
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Hobbseecrimsun: there's a sound problem in #kubuntu that i dont remember how to fix.  want to take a look?  (dual sound cards)10:47
siretartyay. fai looks way nicer now. only the udev 'bug' missing10:55
crimsunHobbsee: ok, will look10:59
crimsunHobbsee: err, $person seems to have parted/quit10:59
Hobbseeah.  they just did.11:00
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siretartis Ahmed El-Mahmoudy around?11:07
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AnAntyes11:10
AnAnt?11:10
AnAntwho knows me ?11:10
AnAntsiretart: it must be that email11:11
siretartAnAnt: yes. please upload your key to a keyserver11:16
siretartI thought irc might be more quickly11:17
AnAntsiretart: what keyserver ? I don't know any11:29
siretartAnAnt: use 'gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com $YOURKEYID'11:30
siretartAnAnt: use 'gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key $YOURKEYID'11:30
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AnAntok, thanks11:31
siretartgpgkeys: key 9DCA0B27 not found on keyserver11:31
AnAntmy  keyid is 9DCA0B2711:32
AnAntoh, yes, that one11:32
siretartok. done. I've imported your key now11:32
XiXaQThe Opera browser is not in the repositories? It's free and they package their software as .deb packages for Ubuntu. And it is a very nice browser.11:32
siretartXiXaQ: their licence does not allow redistribution in our repositories11:32
AnAntsiretart: same goes for realplayer 10 ?11:33
YagisanAnAnt: yeah.11:33
AnAntok11:33
AnAntman, why do they put such licenses?11:33
YagisanAnAnt: XiXaQ: the general rule is, if it is propretry, and we don't have it, we can't distribute it.11:33
AnAntwhat does "we don't have it" mean ?11:34
YagisanAnAnt: it's not in multiverse11:34
AnAntk11:34
XiXaQYagisan, even if the software is free?11:34
YagisanXiXaQ: yes. took *years* for sun to allow java to be redistributed11:34
XiXaQYagisan, but if Opera Software agrees to let their .deb packages be distributed in the repositories, then you will?11:36
YagisanXiXaQ: it is unlikely their debs would be used, but if it was redistributable by anyone (not ubuntu specific), and if someone cared enough about it, then yes11:37
AnAntsiretart: so, anything else I should do ?11:37
Hobbseehi Yagisan11:44
XiXaQYagisan, so the software doesn't have to be open source to get in the repositories, as long as it's free?11:45
XiXaQand redistributable.11:45
YagisanXiXaQ: strictly speaking yes. practically speaking, if it's not open source, it doesn't get much love because we can't fix it when (not if) it breaks.11:47
Hobbseehey crimsun - remember my warped sound?  it seems to be okay now, with the recent update of the linux-restricted modules *croses fingers* - go figure!11:47
Hobbseehow do you apply a patch again?11:49
YagisanHobbsee: patch -p1 < cool_patch.diff11:50
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Hobbseehmmm...it didnt work correctly.  odd.11:56
Sp4rKypackaging of evas library  : 22packages :/11:58
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beezlyhmph :/ tor users are banned in #ubuntu12:22
Yagisanhmm that reminds me - I really need to get around to deploying a tor server12:24
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beezlyYagisan: yes, i got one up and running - it's shifting a fair few bits12:26
beezlybtw - whoever packaged up java 5 - thanks a lot. it's made my life about a thousand times easier :)12:26
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Yagisanbeezly: IIRC doko packaged it. At least he is listed as maintainer12:29
beezlyYagisan: cheers, if I see him on I'll be sure to thank him.12:30
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Hobbseebeezly: tor users?12:50
Hobbseewhy?12:50
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beezlyHobbsee: when I try to connect i get "Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned)."12:52
Yagisanbeezly: might be your exit node12:52
beezlyYagisan: I'm connecting to the hidden service12:52
Hobbseeno, it's there... [20:52]  [367]  #ubuntu *!*@tor/session/* ChanServ!ChanServ@services. 114723587512:53
beezlyi suspect tor/session/direct are banned12:53
beezlyHobbsee: yes, that's the one12:53
beezlywould an /invite from an op in #ubuntu get around it?12:54
Hobbseebeezly: did that work?12:55
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beezlyHobbsee:  no :(12:55
Hobbseeoh12:55
beezlyi got the invite, but it made no difference12:56
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beezlymm, the recommendation on freenode is that quiet is used instead of ban.12:56
YagisanHobbsee: probably trolls12:57
beezlyhttp://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor12:57
tsengHobbsee: tor is an anonymizing proxy12:57
Hobbseeah, so i see...12:57
tsengHobbsee: which is largely used to mask people doing things they shouldnt12:57
Hobbseeyep12:58
tsenglike.. flooding channels12:58
beezlytseng: but setting +q fixes that and still lets people in, even if they can't talk?12:59
tsengnot up to me01:00
beezlyi guess I just need to get a tor regular cloak - but there's no process for requesting them yet :/01:00
Hobbseebeezly: i'm looking for a way to override those bans...01:00
Hobbseenot exactly want to undo all the /tor stuff...01:01
beezlyHobbsee: sure01:01
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Hobbseebeezly: are you in?01:02
Hobbseeread only, so far...01:02
Hobbseegrr...drat.01:02
beezlyheh - i joined but was then banned again :)01:02
Hobbseeso i saw...01:02
Hobbseemight have to go and ask lilo about that, or something...or get an unaffiliated cloak...01:03
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beezlyor I could work to become an Ubuntu Member - I ought to do that anyway :)01:03
Hobbseebeezly: you've already tried http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml i presume?01:04
beezlyHobbsee: yep - i normally used IPv6 - but I'm on a machine that can't do that at the moment01:04
beezlyand irc is blocked outbound for "operation reasons" - it's acceptable for me to use it where I am - I just have to get it working by myself.01:04
Hobbseefair enough01:05
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AnAntshould I do -S -sa in both dpkg-buildpackage & pbuilder, or only one is enough?01:20
siretartAnAnt: -S creates a sourceful upload, -sa includes full source. Please always upload with full source to revu01:35
AnAntwell, myy question is should I use those options in both dpkg-buildpackage & pbuilder?01:37
AnAntor I can use those options in just one of those ?01:37
AnAntI had a problem when uploading, it gave me this error:gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: the signature could not be verified.01:40
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AnAntbtw, when I ran dpkg-buildpackage, it asked for my PGP key passphrase, and I supplied it01:41
siretartAnAnt: just use the options '-uc -us' to prevent dpkg-buildpackage to sign the build01:42
siretartAnAnt: use debsign before dputting the changesfile01:42
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AnAntok, cool01:44
AnAntthx01:44
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AnAntk, thx01:48
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siretartslomo: ping03:15
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beezlyHobbsee: i managed to get on my ipv6 connection again - thanks for trying to help earlier03:19
Hobbseebeezly: yay :)03:19
Hobbseesorry that i couldnt...03:19
beezlynp03:19
Hobbseethere's a guy having a look at it, seeing if they can let you specifically connect, under that hostmask...03:19
beezlythe problem is the session ID changes each time you connect03:20
beezlyjust a shame that some people find it acceptable to abuse something so useful :/03:20
Hobbseei know03:21
beezlywho was looking into it? I'm in #ubuntu now.03:21
beezlyHobbsee: I'm interested in working on a specification - is there anything I should be looking at?03:24
beezlyapologies if you're not an appropriate person to ask03:24
Hobbseebeezly: person was ompaul03:24
Hobbseeon a spec...hmmm...i'm not the right person, but i do know about launchpad.net/specs03:25
beezlyok - well there is a spec in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/etc-in-svn that I'm quite interested in03:26
beezlyi'm just wondering if there's anything I should be doing to work on it.03:27
`6oghm. i'm looking to put mine in bzr *looks at spec*03:29
beezly`6og: me too - i thought bzr would be a better fit03:29
Hobbseewherever...03:30
Hobbseei wonder what bzr is...03:30
`6ogbzr => svn03:30
`6ogHobbsee: it's an rcs, fwiw03:30
Hobbseeah03:31
`6ogwish i could use it for my work, but the projects I'm in are using svn mostly (although ubuntu docs and hubackup don't... hm...03:31
beezlyit would be nice if dpkg could "know" to update the bzr repo whenever it touched files in /etc.03:33
kgoetzbeezly: it could be made to, but that's lots of workl. and what about people (like me), who hack files by hand :/03:34
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beezlykgoetz: then you have a cron job which runs once an hour to look for updated files03:34
kgoetzbeezly: you would also have the issue of files like /etc/resolv.conf which change depending on netowrk03:34
beezlykgoetz: i guess there would need to be a blacklist too03:35
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kgoetzbzr has .ignore files, so that's actualy relateively easy i suppose03:35
beezlykgoetz: should i just start writing some stuff out in the wiki to flesh out the spec a bit?03:37
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kgoetzbeezly: yeh. go for it. hit me with a link and i'll check it out03:38
beezlywill do.03:38
kgoetzta03:38
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Hobbseebeezly: kgoetz https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs03:42
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Hobbseekgoetz: no reason you cant help :)03:46
kgoetzHobbsee: with the lsb? stupest fking standard i have ever seen :S03:46
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beezlykgoetz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VersionControlledEtc03:56
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beezlykgoetz: it's very rough and sketchy at the moment - i'm just thinking out loud on that page.03:57
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slomosiretart: pong03:59
siretartslomo: jabber?04:01
kgoetzbeezly: looking04:02
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kgoetzbeezly: nice04:10
beezlykgoetz: yeah?04:10
beezlyit's very brief at the moment04:10
kgoetzgood start04:10
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beezlyin case your wondering - "Andrew" and "Richard" are real people :)04:11
kgoetzbeezly: i asumed as much :) (hm. forgot to add myself as a contrib)04:12
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beezlykgoetz: added you04:30
kgoetzbeezly: thanks04:31
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beezlykgoetz: added my "implementation" :)04:47
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kgoetzsivang: ping?04:50
kgoetzbeezly: i'll check it out :)04:50
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tsengsiretart: is that guy in your jabber icon you?05:59
tsengsiretart: or someone else05:59
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gurumeditationerIf I want to contribute new/updated packages do I need to get them into debian before I can get them into ubuntu?06:10
tuxmaniacgurumeditationer: I dont think so.. I might be wrong06:10
tarzeaugurumeditationer: no, some packages are in ubuntu and not in debian06:12
gurumeditationerI've been using Kismet and aircrack-ng a lot recently, particularly the newest versions via checkinstall.06:12
gurumeditationerIt'd be nice if I could get the new packages made nicely and make them available to everyone. I'm just trying to find out what kind of commitments I'm going to have to make to do that06:13
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siretarttseng: yes, thats is me on a ski trip. why?06:23
tsengsiretart: you look like someone else06:23
siretartoh, really?06:24
siretartthe picture isn't really good anyway06:24
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Bluekujahi guys09:24
BluekujaLaserJock: ping09:25
LaserJockhi Bluekuja09:26
Bluekujahi LaserJock, do you have experience with library packaging?09:26
LaserJocknot really, packaging in general but not libraries09:27
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Bluekujaoh okie, coz i was working on a library, and as you know i get two packages, pack.deb and packdev.deb09:28
Bluekujawith a debian/temp folder too09:28
Bluekujathat stores all lib files09:28
Bluekujaanyway do you know if -dev package is obbligatory?09:29
Bluekujamaking a library09:29
LaserJockok, are you working on an existing package or trying to do a new one by scratch?09:29
Bluekujanew by scratch09:29
LaserJockthe Debian Policy manual would probably have some info, try checking out www.debian.org/devel/09:30
LaserJockI'm sorta busy at the moment09:30
BluekujaLaserJock: np man :), anyway tnx09:30
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phanaticevenin09:37
Bluekujahello phanatic09:38
phanatichi Bluekuja09:39
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Bluekujaexperience with library packaging?09:39
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trappistis the package name libterm-readline-perl-perl a mistake?10:12
tsengno10:13
tseng~$ apt-cache search libterm-readline10:13
tsenglibterm-readline-gnu-perl - Perl extension for the GNU Readline/History Library10:13
tsenglibterm-readline-perl-perl - Perl implementation of Readline libraries10:13
tsenglibterm-readline-zoid-perl - Pure Perl implementation of Readline libraries10:13
trappistcouldn't have asked for a more complete answer - thanks :)10:13
tsengnp10:14
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crimsunI wish I could help these sync requests get processed in a more timely manner.11:48
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zulsame here11:57

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