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[12:39] <LaserJock> crimsun: xmaxima and wxmaxima work fine in sid, it must be something we did
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[02:20] <crimsun> LaserJock: hmm
[02:21] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, I don't understand what would have happended between sid and dapper that would do that
[02:22] <LaserJock> other than perhaps the port is shutdown in Ubuntu or something, I dont' see how
[02:27] <ajmitch> hi
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[02:27] <crimsun> 'lo ajmitch
[02:27] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[02:31] <LaserJock> ok, now this bug is just making me mad
[02:31] <crimsun> mad? time to spend some time w/ the wife and away from ooboontoo, then :-)
[02:32] <LaserJock> yeah, I've got to go home and have dinner with wife and inlaws
[02:32] <crimsun> kk. Don't worry, the bugs will be waiting when you return :-)
[02:32] <LaserJock> but I want them fixed now :-)
[02:33] <crimsun> and I want a pony :-)
[02:34] <LaserJock> don't we all ;-)
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[02:43] <LaserJock> crimsun: is it possible that Ubuntu would be blocking port 4008?
[02:47] <LaserJock> uggh. anyway, dinner awaits
[02:47] <crimsun> Laser_away: no, we don't have any iptables+netfilter rules active by default
[02:47] <crimsun> well, aside from ACCEPT
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[03:37] <Laser_away> crimsun: darn it, I just don't see why it shouldn't work in Dapper
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[03:46] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:46] <crimsun> hi bddebian
[03:47] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[03:48] <ajmitch> hi bddebian
[03:48] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch
[03:49] <Laser_away> hi bddebian
[03:49] <bddebian> Howdy Laser_away
[03:52] <bddebian> What's up gang?
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[03:54] <LaserJock> grumbles I suppose
[03:54] <bddebian> Heh
[04:10] <bddebian> Are these libmysqlclient apps supposed to be build against libmysqlclient15 instead of 10?
[04:10] <bddebian> s/build/built/
[04:12] <LaserJock> I blame bddebian for maxima not working right, he touched it last :-)
[04:12] <bddebian> :'-(
[04:12] <bddebian> What did I do?
[04:12] <LaserJock> unfortunately I don't think you did anything
[04:12] <LaserJock> if you had it would be easy to undo
[04:12] <bddebian> :-)
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[04:19] <bddebian> Damn, where's dholbach when I need him??
[04:19] <bddebian> Heya zul
[04:20] <zul> hey bddebian
[04:20] <zul> the mysql stuff?
[04:20] <bddebian> Yeah
[04:21] <bddebian> Are these libmysqlclient apps supposed to be build against libmysqlclient15 instead of 10?
[04:21] <zul> i think so
[04:25] <zul> *sigh* i love it when they fail
[04:29] <bddebian> Who fails?
[04:29] <zul> mysql-navigator with libmysqlcient15-dev
[04:30] <bddebian> Hmm, I'm starting from the top, so hopefully we don't cross the streams :-)
[04:30] <zul> im working from the bottom and doing some random ones
[04:30] <zul> just to see
[04:31] <bddebian> linesrv seemed to work OK
[04:34] <zul> bleah why would an irc client depend on mysql
[04:35] <bddebian> Lord only knows
[04:35] <bddebian> zul: Are you SURE we are supposed to be using libmysql15? :-)
[04:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: why?
[04:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why what?
[04:38] <ajmitch> why are you asking about that?
[04:39] <bddebian> To help clean up the list
[04:47] <LaserJock> bddebian: it is libmysqlclient15off
[04:47] <LaserJock> that things need to be rebuilt against
[04:49] <zul> yeah im stopping until i find out more
[04:49] <bddebian> WTF is the off?
[04:50] <LaserJock> < dholbach> a bunch of stuff needs rebuilding again libmysqlclient15off
[04:50] <LaserJock> < dholbach> infinity said they'd be *really* straightforward as the mysql api virtually never changes
[04:50] <LaserJock> from my grepping the irc logs ;-)
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[05:02] <bddebian> LaserJock: Coolio, thx
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[07:52] <Hobbsee> hi all
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[08:13] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[08:13] <Hobbsee> hi glu
[08:13] <Hobbsee> hi Gloubiboulga
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[08:14] <Gloubiboulga> hey Hobbsee :)
[08:22] <bhuvan> hi, i'm trying my hand on packaging. i run 'sudo pbuilder create'. it seem to download entire packages from "main". is this step mandatory ?
[08:23] <Gloubiboulga> bhuvan, I think so
[08:23] <bhuvan> Gloubiboulga, are you aware of approx. size ?
[08:23] <Gloubiboulga> bhuvan, I can't tell
[08:24] <bhuvan> ok. all i wish to do is create the package for "kibitz" command. i assume i'm in right path
[08:24] <crimsun> bhuvan: it's about 300 MB
[08:24] <crimsun> and yes, it's mandatory.
[08:24] <crimsun> it only downloads and installs base
[08:24] <bhuvan> oh ok, thank you
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[08:41] <sivang> ho ho motu world
[08:41] <crimsun> hi sivang
[08:56] <sivang> hey crimsun , what's up?
[08:57] <crimsun> sivang: grunting through gvimdiff, yourself?
[08:58] <sivang> crimsun: currently busy with stuff in the office, hopefully be getting less hectic towards noon :)
[09:00] <crimsun> sivang: excellent
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[09:01] <phanatic> morning
[09:01] <crimsun> hullo phanatic
[09:01] <phanatic> hey crimsun
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[09:04] <sivang> crimsun: then attending to some bug fixes, which is the best I can do when at work, anything other then that demands more attention, is for home time :)
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[09:06] <phanatic> heya sivang :)
[09:06] <phanatic> mornin dholbach
[09:06] <dholbach> hey phanatic
[09:06] <dholbach> good morning MOTU World!
[09:08] <crimsun> 'morning daniel
[09:09] <dholbach> hey Daniel
[09:09] <dholbach> how's it going?
[09:09] <crimsun> not bad, sifting through remaining alsa merges
[09:09] <crimsun> yourself?
[09:10] <dholbach> nice
[09:10] <sivang> hey phanatic
[09:10] <dholbach> I'm gradually waking up and after some icon work, I'll get cracking on 42679246 unread bug mails :)
[09:11] <crimsun> ah, the life :-0
[09:11] <crimsun> err :-)
[09:12] <dholbach> hehe :)
[09:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
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[10:00] <Sp4rKy> hi
[10:01] <Sp4rKy> please, i'm new in ubuntu packaging
[10:01] <Sp4rKy> and i need some help about packaging of audacious
[10:01] <Sp4rKy> does anyone could help me ?
[10:02] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[10:02] <Hobbsee> argh, how do you check the rdepends of a package again?
[10:02] <Sp4rKy> yes i know that
[10:02] <Sp4rKy> thx
[10:03] <crimsun> Hobbsee: meaning ``apt-cache rdepends foo'' ?
[10:03] <Hobbsee> ahh...
[10:03] <Hobbsee> that's it
[10:04] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, i may split binary and library but :/
[10:04] <Sp4rKy> ...
[10:05] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: ..."but"?
[10:06] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, but I do not arrive there
[10:07] <crimsun> sorry, but I don't understand you
[10:08] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, i don't made succes with split of binary and library
[10:08] <Sp4rKy> the library package has been created
[10:08] <Sp4rKy> but doesn't contain anything
[10:09] <Sp4rKy> (i'm sorry , my english is very poor :/ )
[10:09] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: then you probably need to use debian/libfoo.install
[10:09] <Sp4rKy> i'll try , thx for your help
[10:09] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: the packaging guide doesn't explain that process; you'd need to read the new maintainer's guide and the developer's manual
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> i've read the new maintainers guide (a part of it)
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[10:22] <AnAnt> may someone help me with creating a package ?
[10:22] <AnAnt> I used pbuilder to create elinks-0.11.1 package , but it called the package elinks_0.11-0.0upstream.deb
[10:22] <AnAnt> why is that ?
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[10:22] <ivoks> the name of the package is the one in changelog
[10:22] <AnAnt> oh ok
[10:23] <AnAnt> thanks !
[10:23] <ivoks> open changelog and look at first line
[10:24] <AnAnt> cool !
[10:24] <AnAnt> yes, that's good
[10:32] <AnAnt> how/where do I submit my new package ?
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[10:32] <ivoks> to revu
[10:33] <ivoks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[10:35] <AnAnt> thx
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[10:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: there's a sound problem in #kubuntu that i dont remember how to fix.  want to take a look?  (dual sound cards)
[10:55] <siretart> yay. fai looks way nicer now. only the udev 'bug' missing
[10:59] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ok, will look
[10:59] <crimsun> Hobbsee: err, $person seems to have parted/quit
[11:00] <Hobbsee> ah.  they just did.
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[11:07] <siretart> is Ahmed El-Mahmoudy around?
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[11:10] <AnAnt> yes
[11:10] <AnAnt> ?
[11:10] <AnAnt> who knows me ?
[11:11] <AnAnt> siretart: it must be that email
[11:16] <siretart> AnAnt: yes. please upload your key to a keyserver
[11:17] <siretart> I thought irc might be more quickly
[11:29] <AnAnt> siretart: what keyserver ? I don't know any
[11:30] <siretart> AnAnt: use 'gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com $YOURKEYID'
[11:30] <siretart> AnAnt: use 'gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key $YOURKEYID'
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[11:31] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[11:31] <siretart> gpgkeys: key 9DCA0B27 not found on keyserver
[11:32] <AnAnt> my  keyid is 9DCA0B27
[11:32] <AnAnt> oh, yes, that one
[11:32] <siretart> ok. done. I've imported your key now
[11:32] <XiXaQ> The Opera browser is not in the repositories? It's free and they package their software as .deb packages for Ubuntu. And it is a very nice browser.
[11:32] <siretart> XiXaQ: their licence does not allow redistribution in our repositories
[11:33] <AnAnt> siretart: same goes for realplayer 10 ?
[11:33] <Yagisan> AnAnt: yeah.
[11:33] <AnAnt> ok
[11:33] <AnAnt> man, why do they put such licenses?
[11:33] <Yagisan> AnAnt: XiXaQ: the general rule is, if it is propretry, and we don't have it, we can't distribute it.
[11:34] <AnAnt> what does "we don't have it" mean ?
[11:34] <Yagisan> AnAnt: it's not in multiverse
[11:34] <AnAnt> k
[11:34] <XiXaQ> Yagisan, even if the software is free?
[11:34] <Yagisan> XiXaQ: yes. took *years* for sun to allow java to be redistributed
[11:36] <XiXaQ> Yagisan, but if Opera Software agrees to let their .deb packages be distributed in the repositories, then you will?
[11:37] <Yagisan> XiXaQ: it is unlikely their debs would be used, but if it was redistributable by anyone (not ubuntu specific), and if someone cared enough about it, then yes
[11:37] <AnAnt> siretart: so, anything else I should do ?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan
[11:45] <XiXaQ> Yagisan, so the software doesn't have to be open source to get in the repositories, as long as it's free?
[11:45] <XiXaQ> and redistributable.
[11:47] <Yagisan> XiXaQ: strictly speaking yes. practically speaking, if it's not open source, it doesn't get much love because we can't fix it when (not if) it breaks.
[11:47] <Hobbsee> hey crimsun - remember my warped sound?  it seems to be okay now, with the recent update of the linux-restricted modules *croses fingers* - go figure!
[11:49] <Hobbsee> how do you apply a patch again?
[11:50] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: patch -p1 < cool_patch.diff
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[11:56] <Hobbsee> hmmm...it didnt work correctly.  odd.
[11:58] <Sp4rKy> packaging of evas library  : 22packages :/
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[12:22] <beezly> hmph :/ tor users are banned in #ubuntu
[12:24] <Yagisan> hmm that reminds me - I really need to get around to deploying a tor server
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[12:26] <beezly> Yagisan: yes, i got one up and running - it's shifting a fair few bits
[12:26] <beezly> btw - whoever packaged up java 5 - thanks a lot. it's made my life about a thousand times easier :)
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[12:29] <Yagisan> beezly: IIRC doko packaged it. At least he is listed as maintainer
[12:30] <beezly> Yagisan: cheers, if I see him on I'll be sure to thank him.
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[12:50] <Hobbsee> beezly: tor users?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> why?
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[12:52] <beezly> Hobbsee: when I try to connect i get "Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned)."
[12:52] <Yagisan> beezly: might be your exit node
[12:52] <beezly> Yagisan: I'm connecting to the hidden service
[12:53] <Hobbsee> no, it's there... [20:52]  [367]  #ubuntu *!*@tor/session/* ChanServ!ChanServ@services. 1147235875
[12:53] <beezly> i suspect tor/session/direct are banned
[12:53] <beezly> Hobbsee: yes, that's the one
[12:54] <beezly> would an /invite from an op in #ubuntu get around it?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> beezly: did that work?
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[12:55] <beezly> Hobbsee:  no :(
[12:55] <Hobbsee> oh
[12:56] <beezly> i got the invite, but it made no difference
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[12:56] <beezly> mm, the recommendation on freenode is that quiet is used instead of ban.
[12:57] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: probably trolls
[12:57] <beezly> http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor
[12:57] <tseng> Hobbsee: tor is an anonymizing proxy
[12:57] <Hobbsee> ah, so i see...
[12:57] <tseng> Hobbsee: which is largely used to mask people doing things they shouldnt
[12:58] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:58] <tseng> like.. flooding channels
[12:59] <beezly> tseng: but setting +q fixes that and still lets people in, even if they can't talk?
[01:00] <tseng> not up to me
[01:00] <beezly> i guess I just need to get a tor regular cloak - but there's no process for requesting them yet :/
[01:00] <Hobbsee> beezly: i'm looking for a way to override those bans...
[01:01] <Hobbsee> not exactly want to undo all the /tor stuff...
[01:01] <beezly> Hobbsee: sure
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[01:02] <Hobbsee> beezly: are you in?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> read only, so far...
[01:02] <Hobbsee> grr...drat.
[01:02] <beezly> heh - i joined but was then banned again :)
[01:02] <Hobbsee> so i saw...
[01:03] <Hobbsee> might have to go and ask lilo about that, or something...or get an unaffiliated cloak...
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[01:03] <beezly> or I could work to become an Ubuntu Member - I ought to do that anyway :)
[01:04] <Hobbsee> beezly: you've already tried http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml i presume?
[01:04] <beezly> Hobbsee: yep - i normally used IPv6 - but I'm on a machine that can't do that at the moment
[01:04] <beezly> and irc is blocked outbound for "operation reasons" - it's acceptable for me to use it where I am - I just have to get it working by myself.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> fair enough
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[01:20] <AnAnt> should I do -S -sa in both dpkg-buildpackage & pbuilder, or only one is enough?
[01:35] <siretart> AnAnt: -S creates a sourceful upload, -sa includes full source. Please always upload with full source to revu
[01:37] <AnAnt> well, myy question is should I use those options in both dpkg-buildpackage & pbuilder?
[01:37] <AnAnt> or I can use those options in just one of those ?
[01:40] <AnAnt> I had a problem when uploading, it gave me this error:gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: the signature could not be verified.
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[01:41] <AnAnt> btw, when I ran dpkg-buildpackage, it asked for my PGP key passphrase, and I supplied it
[01:42] <siretart> AnAnt: just use the options '-uc -us' to prevent dpkg-buildpackage to sign the build
[01:42] <siretart> AnAnt: use debsign before dputting the changesfile
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[01:44] <AnAnt> ok, cool
[01:44] <AnAnt> thx
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[01:48] <AnAnt> k, thx
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[03:15] <siretart> slomo: ping
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[03:19] <beezly> Hobbsee: i managed to get on my ipv6 connection again - thanks for trying to help earlier
[03:19] <Hobbsee> beezly: yay :)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> sorry that i couldnt...
[03:19] <beezly> np
[03:19] <Hobbsee> there's a guy having a look at it, seeing if they can let you specifically connect, under that hostmask...
[03:20] <beezly> the problem is the session ID changes each time you connect
[03:20] <beezly> just a shame that some people find it acceptable to abuse something so useful :/
[03:21] <Hobbsee> i know
[03:21] <beezly> who was looking into it? I'm in #ubuntu now.
[03:24] <beezly> Hobbsee: I'm interested in working on a specification - is there anything I should be looking at?
[03:24] <beezly> apologies if you're not an appropriate person to ask
[03:24] <Hobbsee> beezly: person was ompaul
[03:25] <Hobbsee> on a spec...hmmm...i'm not the right person, but i do know about launchpad.net/specs
[03:26] <beezly> ok - well there is a spec in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/etc-in-svn that I'm quite interested in
[03:27] <beezly> i'm just wondering if there's anything I should be doing to work on it.
[03:29] <`6og> hm. i'm looking to put mine in bzr *looks at spec*
[03:29] <beezly> `6og: me too - i thought bzr would be a better fit
[03:30] <Hobbsee> wherever...
[03:30] <Hobbsee> i wonder what bzr is...
[03:30] <`6og> bzr => svn
[03:30] <`6og> Hobbsee: it's an rcs, fwiw
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:31] <`6og> wish i could use it for my work, but the projects I'm in are using svn mostly (although ubuntu docs and hubackup don't... hm...
[03:33] <beezly> it would be nice if dpkg could "know" to update the bzr repo whenever it touched files in /etc.
[03:34] <kgoetz> beezly: it could be made to, but that's lots of workl. and what about people (like me), who hack files by hand :/
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[03:34] <beezly> kgoetz: then you have a cron job which runs once an hour to look for updated files
[03:34] <kgoetz> beezly: you would also have the issue of files like /etc/resolv.conf which change depending on netowrk
[03:35] <beezly> kgoetz: i guess there would need to be a blacklist too
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[03:35] <kgoetz> bzr has .ignore files, so that's actualy relateively easy i suppose
[03:37] <beezly> kgoetz: should i just start writing some stuff out in the wiki to flesh out the spec a bit?
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[03:38] <kgoetz> beezly: yeh. go for it. hit me with a link and i'll check it out
[03:38] <beezly> will do.
[03:38] <kgoetz> ta
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[03:42] <Hobbsee> beezly: kgoetz https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs
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[03:46] <Hobbsee> kgoetz: no reason you cant help :)
[03:46] <kgoetz> Hobbsee: with the lsb? stupest fking standard i have ever seen :S
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[03:56] <beezly> kgoetz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VersionControlledEtc
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[03:57] <beezly> kgoetz: it's very rough and sketchy at the moment - i'm just thinking out loud on that page.
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[03:59] <slomo> siretart: pong
[04:01] <siretart> slomo: jabber?
[04:02] <kgoetz> beezly: looking
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[04:10] <kgoetz> beezly: nice
[04:10] <beezly> kgoetz: yeah?
[04:10] <beezly> it's very brief at the moment
[04:10] <kgoetz> good start
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[04:11] <beezly> in case your wondering - "Andrew" and "Richard" are real people :)
[04:12] <kgoetz> beezly: i asumed as much :) (hm. forgot to add myself as a contrib)
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[04:30] <beezly> kgoetz: added you
[04:31] <kgoetz> beezly: thanks
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[04:47] <beezly> kgoetz: added my "implementation" :)
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[04:50] <kgoetz> sivang: ping?
[04:50] <kgoetz> beezly: i'll check it out :)
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[05:59] <tseng> siretart: is that guy in your jabber icon you?
[05:59] <tseng> siretart: or someone else
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[06:10] <gurumeditationer> If I want to contribute new/updated packages do I need to get them into debian before I can get them into ubuntu?
[06:10] <tuxmaniac> gurumeditationer: I dont think so.. I might be wrong
[06:12] <tarzeau> gurumeditationer: no, some packages are in ubuntu and not in debian
[06:12] <gurumeditationer> I've been using Kismet and aircrack-ng a lot recently, particularly the newest versions via checkinstall.
[06:13] <gurumeditationer> It'd be nice if I could get the new packages made nicely and make them available to everyone. I'm just trying to find out what kind of commitments I'm going to have to make to do that
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[06:23] <siretart> tseng: yes, thats is me on a ski trip. why?
[06:23] <tseng> siretart: you look like someone else
[06:24] <siretart> oh, really?
[06:24] <siretart> the picture isn't really good anyway
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[09:24] <Bluekuja> hi guys
[09:25] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: ping
[09:26] <LaserJock> hi Bluekuja
[09:26] <Bluekuja> hi LaserJock, do you have experience with library packaging?
[09:27] <LaserJock> not really, packaging in general but not libraries
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[09:28] <Bluekuja> oh okie, coz i was working on a library, and as you know i get two packages, pack.deb and packdev.deb
[09:28] <Bluekuja> with a debian/temp folder too
[09:28] <Bluekuja> that stores all lib files
[09:29] <Bluekuja> anyway do you know if -dev package is obbligatory?
[09:29] <Bluekuja> making a library
[09:29] <LaserJock> ok, are you working on an existing package or trying to do a new one by scratch?
[09:29] <Bluekuja> new by scratch
[09:30] <LaserJock> the Debian Policy manual would probably have some info, try checking out www.debian.org/devel/
[09:30] <LaserJock> I'm sorta busy at the moment
[09:30] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: np man :), anyway tnx
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[09:37] <phanatic> evenin
[09:38] <Bluekuja> hello phanatic
[09:39] <phanatic> hi Bluekuja
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[09:39] <Bluekuja> experience with library packaging?
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[10:12] <trappist> is the package name libterm-readline-perl-perl a mistake?
[10:13] <tseng> no
[10:13] <tseng> ~$ apt-cache search libterm-readline
[10:13] <tseng> libterm-readline-gnu-perl - Perl extension for the GNU Readline/History Library
[10:13] <tseng> libterm-readline-perl-perl - Perl implementation of Readline libraries
[10:13] <tseng> libterm-readline-zoid-perl - Pure Perl implementation of Readline libraries
[10:13] <trappist> couldn't have asked for a more complete answer - thanks :)
[10:14] <tseng> np
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[11:48] <crimsun> I wish I could help these sync requests get processed in a more timely manner.
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[11:57] <zul> same here