[12:19] <Phlosten> morning all
[12:20] <pygi> mornin Phlosten 
[12:37] <pygi> night
[01:43] <Doxedon> hi
[01:44] <Doxedon> can anyone help me?
[01:45] <Burgwork> Doxedon, what is your issue?
[01:46] <Doxedon> How do I get the GUI to load? Currently all I see is a black screen where I can type
[01:48] <Burgwork> what version of Edubuntu?
[01:48] <Doxedon> *cough* It's uhh Ubuntu Live CD 5. something?
[01:50] <Burgwork> Flight 5?
[01:50] <Doxedon> breezebadger
[01:51] <Burgwork> hmm, ok
[01:51] <Doxedon> 5.10
[01:51] <Burgwork> what kind of video card do you have and what kind fo machine?
[01:51] <Doxedon> no idea :(
[01:51] <Burgwork> laptop or desktop?
[01:51] <Doxedon> desktop
[01:52] <Burgwork> is it a custom built or a name brand?
[01:52] <Doxedon> it said it loaded the desktop files [ok]  and a bunch of other things
[01:52] <Doxedon> i think its a standard
[01:52] <Doxedon> got it like 5-6 years ago
[01:53] <Burgwork> we are on the verge of releasing a new version of Ubuntu, are you able to try that?
[01:54] <Doxedon> sure, I guess?
[01:55] <Burgwork> http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/ <-- can you download this and try it?
[01:56] <Burgwork> are you just wanting to try ubuntu?
[01:57] <Burgwork> Doxedon, if your machine does not work with that, do you think you can file a bug?
[01:57] <Doxedon> yeah, I just want to try it out
[01:58] <Doxedon> so I downloaded the live cd version just to see how it goes
[01:58] <Doxedon> I'd try it on a newer computer but it won't boot off the cd for some reason
[01:59] <Burgwork> the version I asked you to download is a still a beta, so don't trust mission critical data to it
[02:00] <Doxedon> does that come in a live cd format?
[02:00] <Burgwork> yep
[02:01] <Burgwork> the new beta version of Ubuntu also has the ability to install straight from the live cd
[02:02] <saugilsr_> .
[02:02] <Burgwork> salut saugilsr 
[02:05] <Burgwork> Amaranth, you get any word back from the willow guy?
[02:06] <Amaranth> nope
[03:51] <alfredn> hello, before I try to figure out why somethings is not working  I was just wondering if more then one terminal client can use sound at a time, seems no big deal (k12ltsp) but I know edu is doing alot of changes (for the better (-:)
[05:18] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[05:28] <LaserJock> hi Edubuntu people!
[05:30] <bimberi> hey LaserJock
[07:33] <pygi> spacey, poke :)
[08:31] <Burgundavia> ogra, is the amd64 cd back undersize now?
[08:31] <ogra> Burgundavia, the next build
[08:31] <Burgundavia> and all we lost was kstars and tuxmath?
[08:37] <ogra> yep
[08:37] <Burgundavia> ok, just wondering
[08:38] <jsgotangco> try installing it for once ;)
[08:39] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I am preserving my perfect reputation for having never actually installed Edubuntu
[08:39] <jsgotangco> :P
[08:39] <Burgundavia> in fact, I have never actually used Edubuntu
[08:39] <Burgundavia> I have used nearly everything in it, just not the whole package
[08:40] <jsgotangco> fair enough
[08:40] <jsgotangco> but then you're just looking at the surface
[08:40] <Burgundavia> besides, if I actually installed it, you wouldn't be able to raz me for it
[08:42] <Burgundavia> ogra, if we pitched it right, do you think mark would go for sponsoring somebody to work on the gcompris artwork?
[08:42] <jsgotangco> we need more community developers involved first
[08:42] <ogra> hmm, no idea, i dont know at all what he thinks about gcpmpris
[08:43] <Burgundavia> I was thinking bounty style
[08:43] <Burgundavia> something bdoin and I were kicking around the other day
[08:44] <jsgotangco> he's more involved in LAMS at the moment no?
[08:44] <Burgundavia> lams?
[08:45] <jsgotangco> try going to lamsfoundation.org
[08:45] <Burgundavia> very cool
[08:46] <Burgundavia> the other way I was going to try and do is to convince the Canadian gov to fund iut
[08:46] <jsgotangco> the plan is probably to un-java-fy it
[08:48] <HedgeMage> silc?
[08:48] <Burgundavia> silc.ca
[08:50] <HedgeMage> ahh cool
[08:54] <Burgundavia> well, this is great and all, but I need to sleep
[08:54] <Burgundavia> night all
[08:54] <HedgeMage> night night
[08:58] <lucasvo> 08:46 < jsgotangco> the plan is probably to un-java-fy it
[08:59] <lucasvo> that's a good idea :)
[09:03] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:06] <HedgeMage> lol
[09:06] <HedgeMage> :)
[09:07] <HedgeMage> sleep... work on edubuntu and hosting-provider-nagging stuff... sleep... work...
[09:07] <HedgeMage> few more minutes, then sleep
[09:39] <cbx33> mornin all
[09:39] <cbx33> ok migrane has vanished and been replaced by a really bad sore throat
[09:43] <HedgeMage> :(
[09:43] <HedgeMage> cbx33: are you the person I should get the screenies for ESA to ?
[09:43] <cbx33> HedgeMage, ya please
[09:44] <HedgeMage> cbx33: email?
[09:44] <cbx33> yeh sure
[09:44] <cbx33> petesavage@ubuntu.com
[09:44] <cbx33> thanky
[09:44] <HedgeMage> if you want me to size 'em down, I'll do it first thing after I sleep, if you want 'em as-is, I can send 'em now
[09:44] <HedgeMage> up to you
[09:44] <HedgeMage> but I really need to get to sleep in the next 5 minutes or so
[09:44] <cbx33> as-is
[09:45] <HedgeMage> I have to get up in 5 hours
[09:45] <HedgeMage> ok
[09:45] <HedgeMage> one sec
[09:45] <cbx33> because for the pamphlet they'll need to be pretty large
[09:45] <HedgeMage> ok
[09:48] <cbx33> thank you so much HedgeMage 
[09:48] <cbx33> I'm going to try to get some cookbook done today
[09:48] <cbx33> any ones in particular you wnat me to work on?
[09:50] <HedgeMage> let me look at my notes from my convo with pygi
[09:51] <HedgeMage> cbx33: /msg ?
[10:10] <cbx33> ping ogra
[10:18] <HedgeMage> night night all
[10:18] <HedgeMage> really sleeping this time
[10:18] <HedgeMage> honest
[10:18] <HedgeMage> ;)
[10:22] <pygi> JaneW, hi, poke :)
[10:22] <JaneW> hi pygi 
[10:22] <pygi> thanks for assigning, and can you please make that announcement about ranking projects?
[10:22] <pygi> we really need to do that, 4 days until the end
[10:24] <pygi> and I saw cookbook was mentioned at the meeting :)
[10:27] <cbx33> pygi, you just missed HedgeMage
[10:27] <cbx33> pygi, I'm working on proofing Part III
[10:27] <pygi> cbx33, what's with her?
[10:27] <cbx33> she's gone off to sleep
[10:27] <pygi> I talked to her already
[10:27] <cbx33> yes she said :p
[10:27] <cbx33> do you know the hardware specs for the stand alone install?
[10:28] <jsgotangco> cbx33: it should be the same as that of ubuntu
[10:28] <cbx33> right, HedgeMage was asking for her section in PartIII
[10:28] <cbx33> indeed
[10:40] <JaneW> pygi: I sent a mail about the rankings
[10:40] <pygi> JaneW, thank you very much :)
[10:41] <JaneW> pygi: on tues, you were included
[10:41] <JaneW> pygi: I see 21 on the list now
[10:41] <pygi> you mean on the "mentorship assigned" list?
[10:42] <pygi> argh, requested*
[10:42] <JaneW> but we need to make sure they are in the righ order, and at least one student has 2 applications in there
[10:42] <JaneW> pygi: yes
[10:42] <pygi> indeed, thats true
[10:42] <pygi> some also needs ranking down, due to me and Riddell not believing he can do it :-/
[10:42] <pygi> and not all applications have mentors assigned
[10:42] <pygi> hm, do you have time now?
[10:43] <jsgotangco> hey
[10:43] <pygi> hey jsgotangco :)
[10:46] <cbx33> hi JaneW 
[10:47] <JaneW> hi cbx33 
[10:47] <pygi> JaneW, hm, where you sent mail? I haven't got it :-/
[10:47] <JaneW> pygi: hrm, I'll resnd
[10:48] <pygi> wait, perhaps just server is slow :-/
[10:48] <JaneW> sent
[10:48] <JaneW> well I did have all those mail issues...
[10:48] <pygi> got it now...
[10:48] <pygi> twice :-/
[10:49] <jsgotangco> should i expect email too?
[10:49] <pygi> JaneW, I will look into all projects now, and tell you which one's need assignment
[10:50] <pygi> Colin Watson - http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=xevand@gmail.com:f70e97ac:ebc677f7
[10:51] <pygi> JaneW, you'll be mentoring this project? :P http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=gregcig@gmail.com:1261a8f9:5802a1fc
[10:51] <pygi> Martin Pool - http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=hermann@physiklaborant.de:106021ee:83a175cf
[10:52] <pygi> Sbastien Bacher - http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=zeploum@gmail.com:16342c23:3114721f
[10:52] <pygi> Sbastien Bacher - http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=manu.cornet@gmail.com:11c9d3f5:fa7f973e
[10:53] <JaneW> pygi: no, I just wanted it on the list ;)
[10:54] <pygi> who will mentor it then ? :P
[10:54] <JaneW> pygi: we can assign mentors still
[10:54] <JaneW> we need the right projects first
[10:54] <pygi> argh, we have two launchpads :-/
[10:54] <pygi> indeed :)
[10:54] <pygi> ah,ok
[10:55] <JaneW> mdz and I assigned all the mentors to projects last year
[10:55] <pygi> then we'll do the mentors tommorow or the day after it
[10:55] <JaneW> they had no choice
[10:55] <pygi> lol :)
[10:55] <JaneW> this year they do have a choice
[10:55] <JaneW> but if they don't decide, I'll do it for them ;)
[10:55] <pygi> lool :)
[10:56] <pygi> I have two projects, don't gimme more pls :)
[10:56] <JaneW> heh
[10:56] <pygi> what? :-P
[10:57] <pygi> We also have to work out who will mentor incremental Debian packages update
[10:57] <pygi> We, or debian...
[10:59] <pygi> ergh, my vote isn't counted in application's score? :-/
[10:59] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=yuriy.kozlov@gmail.com:16485917:52b034bb
[11:00] <pygi> argh, it is 
[11:00] <pygi> ok :-/
[11:03] <jsgotangco> JaneW: is cvd online?
[11:03] <JaneW> yes
[11:03] <jsgotangco> thanks
[11:05] <pygi> JaneW, we wont get CUPS 1.2 printing for Kubuntu as part of SoC :(
[11:06] <juliux> ogra, ping
[11:07] <cbx33> jsgotangco, how do we handle images in the svn repo/xml docbook format?
[11:07] <jsgotangco> cbx33: png and its just referenced. you don't have to submit it as a patch just send the images
[11:08] <jsgotangco> cbx33: wiki.ubuntu.com/TakingScreenshots
[11:08] <jsgotangco> please pngcrush them first
[11:08] <cbx33> ok thanks jsgotangco 
[12:54] <cbx33> ping ogra
[01:04] <juliux> hi cbx33 
[01:06] <cbx33> hi juliux 
[01:11] <JaneW> hi guys please don't go mad - cos it's still unannounced but
[01:11] <JaneW> *drumroll*
[01:11] <JaneW>  shipit.edubuntu.org
[01:11] <cbx33> excellent
[01:12] <JaneW> cbx33: *thwap*
[01:12] <Phlosten> woot!
[01:13] <JaneW> obviously they haven't even been pressed yet, so this is a pre-order...
[01:14] <Phlosten> do we get bonus stuff if we pre-order before a certain date ;)
[01:15] <Phlosten> can we preorder more than 5?
[01:22] <spacey> JaneW: possible to order edubuntu and ubuntu at the same time?
[01:23] <JaneW> spacey: yes, the order will be consolidated
[01:23] <JaneW> I ordered through 2 sep URLS
[01:23] <JaneW> but my result says:
[01:23] <spacey> consolidated?
[01:23] <JaneW>     *   5 Edubuntu CDs for PC
[01:23] <JaneW>     * 5 Ubuntu CDs for PC
[01:23] <spacey> ok
[01:23] <JaneW> so go to:
[01:23] <spacey> thats nice
[01:24] <JaneW> ubuntu.shipit.com
[01:24] <JaneW> and/or
[01:24] <JaneW> kubuntu.shipit.com
[01:24] <JaneW> and/or
[01:24] <JaneW> edubuntu.shipit.com
[01:24] <spacey> ok
[01:24] <JaneW> it will remeber you if you login with the same LP account
[01:25] <JaneW> and totals your order together, but you can only access the variants through their interface
[01:25] <spacey> is it shipit.com? :P
[01:25] <JaneW> does that make sense?
[01:25] <JaneW> spacey? what do you mean?
[01:25] <spacey> yes i understood before your last 8 lines
[01:25] <spacey> :)
[01:25] <JaneW> sigh
[01:25] <JaneW> good
[01:26] <spacey> is it not shipit.ubuntu.com instead of ubuntu.shipit.com
[01:26] <JaneW> oh of course yes sorry
[01:26] <spacey> =P
[01:26] <JaneW>  shipit.(ed/k)ubuntu.com
[01:26] <spacey> its still early =P
[01:26] <JaneW> not really
[01:27] <JaneW> 13:24
[01:27] <JaneW> time for lunch
[01:27] <cbx33> hehe
[01:27] <JaneW> haven't eaten yet today
[01:27] <spacey> time for brunch yes
[01:27] <cbx33> feeling better, got to go back to work tomorrow
[01:27] <cbx33> how bad is this that I even work on my sick days
[01:56] <JaneW> who has access to edit www.edubuntu.org?
[01:57] <JaneW> besides highvoltage? ^^
[02:00] <lucasvo> afaik
[02:00] <cbx33> I have access JaneW 
[02:00] <lucasvo> I mean pages
[02:00] <cbx33> well at least I should have
[02:00] <JaneW> cbx33: YAY
[02:00] <cbx33> but there was some issue with roles
[02:00] <cbx33> not sure I can edit, but I can try
[02:00] <JaneW> cbx33: if you do, can I ask you to add something to the FAQ, if you have time
[02:01] <cbx33> sure ask away
[02:01] <cbx33> JaneW, 
[02:01] <cbx33> hold up
[02:01] <cbx33> the permissiosn havn't been sorted yet
[02:01] <cbx33> I don't have access
[02:04] <JaneW> ack
[02:05] <cbx33> sorry JaneW 
[02:05] <cbx33> I'd willing do it
[02:05] <JaneW> thanks
[02:05] <juliux> JaneW, it is possible to order more then 5 edubuntu cds?
[02:05] <juliux> JaneW, e.x. for an talk in school or a event
[02:06] <JaneW> juliux: not at this stage
[02:06] <juliux> JaneW, ok
[02:06] <JaneW> juliux: but special oders will be made avaialble, althgouh you'll be asked to motivate why you want lots
[02:06] <JaneW> they are not cheap
[02:06] <juliux> JaneW, i know
[02:07] <JaneW> juliux: silbs shipit has quietly gone live. There is still an important feature to be added (ability to order large numbers of CDs) so the launch is relatively low key until that's in place.
[02:11] <juliux> JaneW, i think that is greate that there are cds, the rest is luxury 
[02:14] <JaneW> because many CDs are wasted and Mark has basically said he is not funding free CDs forever
[02:14] <JaneW> it costs many $s
[02:15] <JaneW> he wants Cds to be able to get whereever they need to be, but then wants them to be copied and shared as far as possible
[02:18] <cbx33> JaneW, it's great news that we can get CD's for Edubuntu this time round
[02:18] <cbx33> do we know what the press run is?
[02:18] <juliux> JaneW, we have in germany the idea that we sell a special *ubuntu community box, with a dvd. 
[02:18] <JaneW> I didn;t expect it because we tried for last time and were told no, and that we'd maybe get a few this time
[02:18] <JaneW> juliux: great :)
[02:19] <JaneW> cbx33: I asked for 20 000
[02:19] <cbx33> wow
[02:19] <JaneW> cbx33: they'll see how it goes
[02:19] <cbx33> yeh
[02:19] <cbx33> i guessed that
[02:20] <juliux> JaneW, it will cost not more than 10, and the benefit will go into the community, e.x. server for forums, or flyer 
[02:20] <lucasvo> juliux: 10EUR is not much
[02:20] <lucasvo> what's included in that box?
[02:21] <cbx33> juliux, is there printing included in that
[02:21] <juliux> lucasvo, one *ubuntu dvd and a inlay with a little text about ubuntu and where you can get support
[02:21] <juliux> cbx33, yes it is included
[02:21] <lucasvo> oh, ok
[02:21] <cbx33> juliux, sounds fantastic
[02:22] <juliux> cbx33, its only a paperboard box 
[02:22] <cbx33> yeh
[02:22] <cbx33> but still
[02:22] <lucasvo> cbx33: what about printing the galileo openbook? :)
[02:22] <cbx33> :p
[02:22] <juliux> lucasvo, which galileo book?
[02:23] <lucasvo> http://www.galileocomputing.de/openbook/ubuntu/
[02:23] <juliux> lucasvo, the german one?
[02:23] <lucasvo> yes
[02:23] <lucasvo> that's probably not allowed
[02:23] <lucasvo> :)
[02:23] <lucasvo> anybody interested in writing articles?
[02:23] <juliux> why you want print it your self?
[02:23] <cbx33> lucasvo, sure
[02:24] <cbx33> to be printed on something like lulu
[02:24] <lucasvo> juliux: I mean that there is actually  something in the box
[02:24] <juliux> lucasvo, http://www.ubuntuusers.de/ikhaya/ one time there will be a printed version of the articel
[02:24] <lucasvo> cbx33: hm, a book?
[02:24] <cbx33> yes
[02:24] <cbx33> for schools and teachers
[02:24] <lucasvo> juliux: yeah, one could print that
[02:24] <juliux> lucasvo, but a printed journal is very expansive
[02:24] <lucasvo> juliux: why?
[02:25] <cbx33> hehehe
[02:25] <juliux> lucasvo, we tried to make a print version for the linuxtag but it was to expansive to give it for free away
[02:25] <juliux> lucasvo, if you print 400 journals with 40 sites it cost 850
[02:26] <cbx33> yikes
[02:26] <juliux> i have to wash my dishes
[02:26] <juliux> cu
[02:26] <lucasvo> cu juliux 
[02:26] <cbx33> bye
[02:26] <cbx33> so she can try painting it different colours :p
[02:27] <lucasvo> juliux: I wouldn't wanted to give it away for free
[02:28] <lucasvo> you can print it for 10$ per piece if you order about 200
[02:28] <cbx33> quantity is always the problem
[02:28] <cbx33> you can get things dirt cheap if you order enough
[02:28] <lucasvo> Book price:  	$11.50
[02:28] <lucasvo> Total Price: 	$2,300.00
[02:28] <lucasvo> Bulk discount: 	22%
[02:28] <lucasvo> 68 pages
[02:29] <lucasvo> 200 pieces
[02:29] <lucasvo> cbx33: make ads
[02:29] <lucasvo> 4 colors
[02:29] <lucasvo> cbx33: you would release your book under a CC?
[02:29] <cbx33> yes
[02:29] <lucasvo> which one?
[02:29] <lucasvo> by-nd?
[02:29] <cbx33> not sure
[02:29] <cbx33> havn't looked into it enough yet
[02:30] <lucasvo> cbx33: would you be interested in publishing an ubuntu journal?
[02:31] <cbx33> explain more....
[02:31] <cbx33> I'm listening
[02:32] <lucasvo> cbx33: we look for good blog postings, forum threads and other guides, ask people from the community to write articles. 
[02:32] <cbx33> sounds like a great idea
[02:32] <lucasvo> correct them, format them for printing, look for people who would be interested in advertising, and print it on lulu for example
[02:33] <cbx33> lucasvo, sounds like that could work, I mean essentailly the book was going to be similar without the whole community feel of blog posts etc
[02:33] <lucasvo> one could print the ubuntu meeting calendar
[02:34] <lucasvo> print the interview from ubuntu devs
[02:34] <lucasvo> ubuntu behind the scenes
[02:34] <lucasvo> I would say every 3 months
[02:35] <lucasvo> cbx33: well, one could say, all the "scientific" articles would be put together once every year and be published as a real book
[02:35] <cbx33> lucasvo, it sounds like a great idea, will to write a spec with me?
[02:36] <lucasvo> yes
[02:37] <cbx33> i would expect to be able to put omre time into this after dapper
[02:37] <cbx33> but collection of articles and placing them on a planning page would be great
[02:39] <lucasvo> brb
[02:40] <cbx33> hey Yagisan 
[02:40] <lucasvo> hi Yagisan 
[02:40] <lucasvo> re
[02:41] <lucasvo> the phone call took shorter than I expected :)
[02:41] <Yagisan> cbx33: lucasvo: whats up ?
[02:41] <lucasvo> Yagisan: we plan a new project: Ubuntu Journal
[02:41] <lucasvo> cbx33: how should we start?
[02:42] <cbx33> check out the spec template on the wiki
[02:42] <lucasvo> just create a wiki page based on the template?
[02:42] <lucasvo> ah yes
[02:42] <lucasvo> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuJournal
[02:43] <Phlosten> flames?
[02:43] <Phlosten> what did you do?
[02:44] <Yagisan> Phlosten: I read the sun-java DJL 1.1 and felt it is unsuitable for Ubuntu
[02:44] <lucasvo> haha
[02:44] <Phlosten> heh
[02:45] <Phlosten> it has some tight restrictions attached
[02:45] <Phlosten> i hope it is not going in the main repos
[02:46] <Yagisan> Phlosten: they put it in multiverse. I could tell you my opinion, but it will most likely pan out the same way
[02:46] <lucasvo> cbx33: what should I write in rationale?
[02:46] <Phlosten> i like opinion
[02:47] <Yagisan> Phlosten: ok. then we can't ship perl, python, gcc if we ship sun-java5, due to clause 2c
[02:47] <Phlosten> i havent read it, whats clause 2c?
[02:47] <Yagisan> Phlosten: clause 2b prohibits us from writing portable java code
[02:48] <Yagisan> Phlosten: pm'ed it to you
[02:48] <Phlosten> got it
[02:49] <Phlosten> thats a very 'broad' clause
[02:49] <Phlosten> but does it read different in context to other content in this document
[02:49] <Phlosten> not that I am trying to defend it at all
[02:50] <lucasvo> cbx33: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuJournal
[02:50] <Phlosten> i view it as companies want to open source, but not
[02:50] <Phlosten> i spose you could say its open source, but far from gpl'd :)
[02:51] <Phlosten> i dont like java much
[02:55] <Phlosten> lost ya
[03:02] <Yagisa1> Phlosten: my modem lost power around (23:01:44)
[03:05] <cbx33> sorry lucasvo 
[03:05] <cbx33> back now
[03:06] <lucasvo> cbx33: I already enhanced it a little bit
[03:06] <cbx33> ok cool
[03:06] <lucasvo> cbx33: can you read it? and add your comments?
[03:07] <cbx33> sure
[03:07] <cbx33> I'll be bale to commnet hopefully in an hour or so
[03:07] <cbx33> it sounds great though
[03:07] <lucasvo> ok
[03:10] <cbx33> kinda like
[03:10] <cbx33> ubuntu magazine :p
[03:10] <cbx33> Yagisan, i'm sure it'll be fine, you'll get Motu
[03:15] <Phlosten> a journal 4 times a year is only 2 per version
[03:16] <lucasvo> Phlosten: yes
[03:16] <lucasvo> that's not good
[03:16] <lucasvo> maybe 6 a year
[03:17] <lucasvo> that's 3 per version
[03:17] <lucasvo> Phlosten: what do you think?
[03:17] <Phlosten> yeah
[03:18] <lucasvo> Phlosten: besides the issues any other comment?
[03:18] <Phlosten> 6.06 LTS is for 3 years or support (5 years server) so there is always that to think of
[03:18] <Phlosten> or=of
[03:18] <Phlosten> i think thats a great idea
[03:18] <Yagisan> cbx33: I'm not sure arguing with core devs helps my chances though
[03:19] <lucasvo> Yagisan: well, they should respect your attitude
[03:19] <lucasvo> and not count that as negative 
[03:19] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I ah, told them I thought they fucked up big time. no one likes to hear that.
[03:19] <lucasvo> Phlosten: it should only be about the most recent one
[03:19] <Phlosten> the sun thing should be looked at with critical eyes
[03:20] <lucasvo> sun thing? 
[03:21] <Yagisan> lucasvo: yeah the sun-java, and the very restrictive license
[03:21] <lucasvo> ah, java
[03:25] <lucasvo> *lol* Science: Spacecraft Crashes Into Satellite
[03:25] <lucasvo> -> slahsdot
[03:26] <cbx33> lucasvo, 3 per version sounds good
[03:27] <lucasvo> ok, changed
[03:28] <cbx33> :D
[03:28] <Phlosten> yeah 3 is good
[03:28] <cbx33> so lucasvo are we looking at this as journal or magazine :?
[03:29] <lucasvo> what's the difference?
[03:29] <lucasvo> :)
[03:29] <cbx33> indeed
[03:29] <cbx33> so i was thinking, featured application, interview
[03:29] <lucasvo> ->dictionary.com
[03:29] <cbx33> tips and hints
[03:29] <lucasvo> yup
[03:29] <lucasvo> thats good
[03:29] <cbx33> letters
[03:29] <cbx33> emails
[03:30] <lucasvo> Magazine: A periodical containing a collection of articles, stories, pictures, or other features.
[03:30] <cbx33> could be put onto the wiki, and then put into pdf version for printing as required?
[03:30] <lucasvo> #  A newspaper.
[03:30] <lucasvo> # A periodical presenting articles on a particular subject: a medical journal. 
[03:30] <lucasvo> ^ journal
[03:32] <cbx33> so are we going for magazine? or journal?
[03:32] <lucasvo> journal :)
[03:32] <lucasvo> wsj
[03:32] <lucasvo> uj
[03:32] <Phlosten> magournal
[03:32] <lucasvo> wallstreet journal, ubuntu journal
[03:33] <cbx33> Phlosten, hehe
[03:33] <cbx33> UM
[03:33] <cbx33> :p
[03:33] <Phlosten> jagazine sounds better
[03:34] <lucasvo> what do you think?
[03:34] <Phlosten> journal is more professional
[03:34] <Phlosten> magazine is for hacks
[03:34] <lucasvo> ++
[03:34] <Phlosten> make sure you have A quality articles :)
[03:35] <cbx33> yikes
[03:39] <lucasvo> cbx33: so, what's next?
[03:39] <lucasvo> I'll enhance the spec
[03:40] <lucasvo> oh
[03:42] <cbx33> yes
[03:42] <lucasvo> cbx33: do you want to write something?
[03:42] <cbx33> I will do in a short while
[03:42] <lucasvo> maybe I can get professional design for free from www.360network.ch
[03:42] <cbx33> just gota grab a bite
[03:45] <lucasvo> cbx33: we need to find people who would like to get involved
[03:46] <cbx33> yes
[03:46] <cbx33> we need a detailed watertight spec frost
[03:46] <cbx33> then we can start to speard the word
[03:46] <lucasvo> yes
[03:54] <lucasvo> cbx33: can you write some more text? 
[03:54] <cbx33> yes
[03:55] <cbx33> just finishing food
[03:55] <lucasvo> oh, sorry, I didn't wanted to stress you
[04:06] <lucasvo> cbx33: tell me when you're done
[04:06] <cbx33> will do
[04:13] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[04:13] <lucasvo> hi jsgotangco 
[04:14] <Yagisan> G'day jsgotangco
[04:21] <sunnzy2> Trying to install edubuntu 6.06 but stuck on 15% of Partitioner saying it is Detecting file systems anyone know what's wrong?
[04:22] <sunnzy2> The System still works but the installer just doesn't progress any futher.
[04:24] <cbx33> sunnzy2, have you tried switching to another console
[04:24] <cbx33> too see what's going on?
[04:24] <PCGenie> Mark Shuttleworth did well when he established Ubuntu canonical .ltd
[04:24] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: hello
[04:24] <sunnzy2> Doesn't say anything interesting
[04:24] <sunnzy2> But
[04:25] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: hello there =)
[04:25] <sunnzy2> The installer was saying that it can't find root
[04:25] <cbx33> hmmm
[04:25] <sunnzy2> But I have set up / (root) just before that message comes up.
[04:25] <cbx33> double hmm
[04:25] <sunnzy2> The / partition that is.
[04:26] <sunnzy2> I have also setup a partition for /home
[04:26] <cbx33> hmmmm
[04:26] <sunnzy2> And of course /boot and swap
[04:26] <cbx33> yeh
[04:27] <sunnzy2> No ideas?
[04:27] <cbx33> no, not off hand ..... 
[04:27] <cbx33> can you verify the partitions have been setup?
[04:28] <sunnzy2> It doesn't matter, if the partitions are setup then it means the installer couldn't setup partitions
[04:29] <cbx33> are you instaling to a fresh disc
[04:29] <cbx33> ie wiping it clean?
[04:29] <sunnzy2> I am setting up partitions by hand now... :'(
[04:30] <cbx33> ok
[04:30] <cbx33> see if that works
[04:30] <sunnzy2> I hope that the installer is smart enough to tell that the partitions has already been setup.
[04:31] <cbx33> lucasvo, I'm just going to visit the page
[04:31] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: how are you today?
[04:32] <sunnzy2> Have anyone here installed edubuntu 6.06?
[04:32] <cbx33> yes
[04:32] <sunnzy2> Did you use the live CD?
[04:32] <cbx33> yes
[04:32] <cbx33> is that how you are installing?
[04:33] <sunnzy2> Yes.
[04:33] <cbx33> ah wish you'd have said
[04:33] <cbx33> :p
[04:33] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: pretty good, just looking at an embassy website for visa requirements for the paris trip
[04:33] <sunnzy2> It boots up with gnome and stuff and it got this Install button
[04:33] <cbx33> ok, can you try running the ubiquity command from the a terminal
[04:33] <cbx33> then you can see what's happening
[04:34] <cbx33> sunnzy2, how good are you with linux?
[04:34] <sunnzy2> ubiquity?
[04:34] <cbx33> that is the name of the install program
[04:34] <cbx33> but I'm not sure what command you use to run it
[04:35] <cbx33> i might be ubiquity
[04:35] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: sounds like a fun trip to be taking
[04:36] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: ubuntu developer summits are always fun :)
[04:39] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: I can imagine =)
[04:42] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: how's the code going?
[04:42] <lucasvo> cbx33: and?
[04:42] <cbx33> just editing now
[04:42] <lucasvo> cool
[04:43] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: I've been working with threading the Pyro servers in the same program as the GTK mainloop, to make sure it works before I commit to Pyro
[04:44] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: I succeeded in getting that to work a few days ago, and figured out how to make a simple chat box, which was one of the features of LAMS
[04:45] <cbx33> nice ryan_rousseau good going
[04:45] <sunnzy2> Well / isn't mounted at all
[04:45] <ryan_rousseau> cbx33: thanks
[04:45] <sunnzy2> Do I need to mount it so the installer can see it?
[04:45] <cbx33> sunnzy2, no
[04:45] <sunnzy2> That's weird...
[04:46] <sunnzy2> How is the installer suppose to know then?
[04:46] <cbx33> sunnzy2, did you run the installer from the terminal?
[04:46] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: that's cool, we'll probably wrap up selection by this week then we can start discussing further
[04:46] <sunnzy2> I'll try it now.
[04:47] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: That sounds good to me.  I'll be going out of town (back home) this weekend to visit family and have a minor surgery, but I'll be back in town on Tuesday (in time to see the SoC announcements) =)
[04:52] <lucasvo> cbx33: did you do any changes?
[04:52] <cbx33> yes
[04:52] <cbx33> just finished
[04:53] <cbx33> take a look
[04:54] <lucasvo> cool
[05:00] <sunnzy2> Now it is working but it formatts my partitions using the WRONG format!!!
[05:11] <sbartleylinux> ogra, ping
[05:12] <lucasvo> cbx33: what do you think about having ads in ubuntujournal?
[05:12] <ogra> sbartleylinux, sorry meeting and working since 30h in a row ...
[05:13] <sbartleylinux> np
[05:14] <sbartleylinux> Was just hoping to get an update on the status of client side sound and printer support.  We had talked before and I think you said it should be working by final release but I cant remember for sure.
[05:17] <lucasvo> sbartleylinux: sound works on dapper
[05:17] <lucasvo> sbartleylinux: but I don't think the printers will
[05:18] <sbartleylinux> lucasvo, k. thx.  setting up a test today.
[05:18] <sbartleylinux> lucasvo, do you have any info on where I can find the sound config settings that work on dapper?
[05:18] <lucasvo> sbartleylinux: you need to enable it in the lts.conf 
[05:18] <lucasvo> I think you have to add [DEFAULT] 
[05:18] <lucasvo> SOUND = YES
[05:18] <lucasvo> but I am not sure
[05:19] <sbartleylinux> k. will try that. thx.
[05:19] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[05:20] <cbx33> sunnzy2, how can you tell?
[05:20] <cbx33> lucasvo, i think that ads would be a good way to fund the journal for cheaper printing perhaps
[05:20] <sunnzy2> That's what it is saying...
[05:22] <cbx33> so what did you ask for and what did it do?
[05:22] <lucasvo> cbx33: juliux doesn't like it
[05:23] <cbx33> for what reason?
[05:23] <lucasvo> he didn't name a good reason
[05:23] <lucasvo> :)
[05:23] <cbx33> i can see why there would be reservations
[05:23] <sunnzy2> And it just crashed
[05:24] <sunnzy2> I am going to try it one more time and goto sleep
[05:24] <lucasvo> cbx33: I would say NO ads that offer similar things than canonical does
[05:24] <cbx33> sunnzy2, please pipe the output from the terminal to a file
[05:24] <cbx33> lucasvo, of course
[05:26] <sunnzy2> This installer thing just doesn't work
[05:26] <sunnzy2> I unchecked all the "reformat" boxes and it still wants to format everything as ext3...
[05:26] <cbx33> it has worked fine for me, but we need information to fix bugs
[05:26] <sunnzy2> It doesn't do what it is suppose to do
[05:27] <sunnzy2> What a waste of CD.
[05:27] <cbx33> wow how helpful
[05:32] <lucasvo> :)
[05:32] <lucasvo> cbx33: how should we continue?
[05:33] <lucasvo> should we post it into ubuntuforums?
[05:33] <cbx33> well....perhaps, find some article etc
[05:33] <cbx33> to give examples
[05:34] <lucasvo> I have something I wrote by myself, it still needs to get corrected: http://www.vincisolutions.ch/index.php?id=35
[05:34] <lucasvo> http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/JaneSilber/
[05:34] <lucasvo> how can one register the spec?
[05:35] <cbx33> on launchpad
[05:35] <cbx33> i'll let you do that, you can get the karma :p
[05:35] <cbx33> you idea after all :p
[05:36] <lucasvo> ok
[05:36] <lucasvo> ah, I didn't knew that I have to pick the ubuntu as a distribution to add a spefc
[05:36] <cbx33> yes
[05:36] <lucasvo> maybe we should put it into the agenda of Community Council
[05:37] <cbx33> i'd finish up your spec and cite some examples first
[05:39] <cbx33> maybe even mock up an example page
[05:39] <lucasvo> yup
[05:41] <lucasvo> Jack likes to read before he goes to bed, he enjoys the magazine and finds out how easy it is, to contribute to Ubuntu. The following weekend, he tries out Rosetta, on which he read an article in Ubuntu Journal, to translate his favourite apps.
[05:41] <cbx33> :)
[05:45] <lucasvo> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuJournal#preview
[05:45] <lucasvo> cbx33: what do you think of the sample content?
[05:45] <cbx33> cool
[05:48] <cbx33> JaneW, did you manage to get through to highvoltage?
[05:53] <lucasvo> cbx33: do you have any articles you would add?
[05:53] <cbx33> um....i'd have to think
[05:55] <sbartleylinux> lucasvo, I set lts.conf to have [Default]   &  SOUND = True  which I found on the forum.  Server is an Ubuntu Dapper Server (not edubuntu).  Client is booting fine.  Shows an error on the client about Sound requested but /dev/dsp not found.  Any ideas?
[05:56] <cbx33> sbartleylinux, ogra would be your man ther e:p
[05:57] <sbartleylinux> yep.  unfortunately, he has been up for 30 hours and is in a meeting.:)  
[05:57] <sbartleylinux> audio is coming out on the server speakers but not on the client side.
[05:57] <sbartleylinux> i.e. when the client logs in, I get audio out of the server.
[05:58] <cbx33> yes i had that, but then I've never tried client side audio yet
[05:58] <sbartleylinux> me either.  first time i have tried.
[06:00] <lucasvo> sbartleylinux: ask ogra, I don't know
[06:00] <sbartleylinux> np. thx. 
[06:00] <lucasvo> ogra: ^
[06:15] <lucasvo> cbx33: would you be intersted in the job as an editor?
[06:26] <blue-frog> trying to learn how to restrict access to a session based on time/day I play with "account required  pam_time.so" in /etc/pam.d/common-account. Doing this then prevents me to access graphical frontend for synaptic for example, it says wrong password while sudo still works. any idea?
[06:28] <cbx33> lucasvo, sure, 
[06:29] <cbx33> as i said if we gather docs now, we can edit it all together after dapper comes out
[06:29] <cbx33> first release after daper :p
[06:37] <lucasvo> cbx33: yup
[06:38] <lucasvo> cbx33: which one do you prefer: http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/fraktur.png
[06:38] <lucasvo> ?
[06:39] <cbx33> hmmm
[06:39] <cbx33> top one
[06:39] <cbx33> i think
[06:39] <cbx33> are you starting to work on the journal layout and mockup?
[06:40] <lucasvo> yes
[06:40] <Burgwork> lucasvo, tbh, I like neither of those because they are hard to read and don't fit with the ubuntu style
[06:41] <Burgwork> remember that any Ubuntu journal should look and feel like the ubuntu website, etc.
[06:43] <cbx33> Burgwork, did you get my mail
[06:43] <lucasvo> Burgwork: http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/Journal.png
[06:43] <lucasvo> Burgwork: why?
[06:43] <lucasvo> I gotta go
[06:43] <lucasvo> a vernisage :)
[06:44] <lucasvo> http://www.kunsthaus.ch/bilder/shop/plakate/plakat_ruscha.jpg
[06:44] <cbx33> Burgwork, i made some sugestions about ESA
[06:44] <lucasvo> *rocks*
[06:46] <cbx33> brb
[06:46] <Burgwork> lucasvo, good marketing is all about consistencyh
[06:46] <Burgwork> look at apple
[06:46] <Burgwork> they have a consistent look and feel
[06:47] <Burgwork> you "know" when something is an apple ad
[06:47] <Burgwork> the other people that do it well are Telus, a big Canadian telephone company
[06:48] <Burgwork> one thing Ubuntu has done very well is stake out a colour scheme and use it across most of our stuff
[07:13] <PixelConductor> Hello #edubuntu, anyone here know how to make dhcp3-server serve bootp as well as dhcp?
[07:13] <PixelConductor> I'm trying to netboot some older imacs.
[07:15] <Burgwork> PixelConductor, read the dhcpd man page. It talks about it
[07:15] <PixelConductor> thanks. 
[07:15] <Burgwork> PixelConductor, here is an online version http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/dhcpd8.html
[07:25] <PixelConductor> Thanks,
[07:25] <PixelConductor> I now officially have an i386 server booting 350 and 333mhz imacs via ltsp in dapper.
[07:27] <PixelConductor> For those who have been following this (I was formerly known as elliot_) the trick is to run ltsp-build-client on the client without nfs mounting /opt/ltsp and then copying over the files in /var/lib/tftpboot and /opt/ltsp/powerpc after the client is built.
[07:28] <PixelConductor> To boot 333mhz imacs (firmware version 3.0.f3) you need to tell dhcpd to serve a bootp address to that hardware address.
[07:28] <Burgwork> can you document that somewhere?
[07:31] <PixelConductor> yes.  Guess it isn't quite as ready as I thought on the 333. 
[07:31] <PixelConductor> Also, anyone have thoughts on why it would get to a text login, then Alt+F7 brings you a gui login that works.
[07:39] <Burgwork> PixelConductor, sorry, no idea
[07:39] <Burgwork> I have actually never installed edubuntu, so won't be able to help you with that
[07:46] <cbx33> Burgwork, did you get my mail?
[07:48] <Burgwork> cbx33, the reply to the ESA mail I sent out
[07:48] <Burgwork> ?
[07:50] <cbx33> i didn;t get a reply
[07:52] <Burgwork> I haven't replied yet, due to being at work
[07:52] <Burgwork> and my work has nothing to do with Eduubntu :(
[07:54] <cbx33> oh sorry Burgwork 
[07:55] <cbx33> when you said "the reply to the ESA mail I sent out"
[07:55] <cbx33> my brain took that to mean, I've sent out something
[07:55] <cbx33> !seen ogra
[07:55] <ubotu> ogra <n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 11h 17m 44s ago, saying: 'yep'.
[07:58] <juliux> re
[07:58] <juliux> evening ogra_ibook 
[07:59] <cbx33> evenin ogra 
[07:59] <ogra> oh, is it evening ? 
[08:00] <ogra> since 8am yesterday, with only short coffebreaks, yes
[08:00] <cbx33> ogra, HedgeMage came up with a theming bug that I wanted to run by you
[08:00] <cbx33> ogra, get some sleep man
[08:00] <ogra> yes, yes ... we have a forced holiday tomorrow, i can sleep all day
[08:01] <cbx33> she changed the theme and then tried to get back to the default one, but the default one isnt saved
[08:01] <ogra> saved ? 
[08:01] <cbx33> she managed to copy it across from another computer
[08:01] <cbx33> yes, is that a supposed to be thing
[08:01] <ogra> the default one is the default 
[08:01] <cbx33> once you change the gnome theme on dapper
[08:01] <cbx33> you can't easily go back
[08:02] <ogra> if you change something, gconf will always respect that 
[08:02] <ogra> thats a feature, not a bug
[08:02] <cbx33> so not being able to get back to the edubuntu default theme easily is ok?
[08:02] <ogra> well, i wouldt call it a bug, if you change the defaults, just change them back ...
[08:03] <cbx33> ok,
[08:03] <cbx33> I'll let her know
[08:03] <cbx33> howz it all going anyway
[08:03] <ogra> there is no such thing like a reset theme button, no ... but thats not a bug imho... or if its a bug its a design bug in the gconf system
[08:03] <cbx33> totally understandable
[08:03] <ogra> fine ... 
[08:03] <cbx33> I just said I'd ask you
[08:04] <ogra> i'm just a bit scared to add the edubuntu-docs package to the CD
[08:04] <cbx33> size?
[08:04] <ogra> we have 266k free, i squeezed the package to 211k
[08:04] <cbx33> go for i ogra 
[08:04] <ogra> its hard on the edge
[08:04] <cbx33> HedgeMage, that gnome theme issue isn't a bug
[08:04] <ogra> and i will have a hard next week if it breaks
[08:04] <ogra> a very had one
[08:05] <HedgeMage> cbx33: it's like that on purpose? or is that just until it's finalized?
[08:05] <cbx33> well if there's anything I can do I'll try
[08:06] <ogra> HedgeMage, thats by design of the undrlying system
[08:06] <PixelConductor> is there somewhere that maps breezy packages to new packages in dapper?  Specifically krb5-user appears to be gone.
[08:06] <HedgeMage> ogra: that's going to confuse a lot of users who switch to another theme and can't switch back
[08:06] <ogra> if you make a user change, that one will always override the system settings
[08:07] <HedgeMage> maybe you misunderstood what I was reporting?
[08:07] <HedgeMage> let's say I install regular ubuntu... I try a few gnome themes and decide I want the standard one back... I choose "Human" and I'm right back to the default
[08:08] <cbx33> that does happen on edubuntu
[08:08] <cbx33> doesn't
[08:08] <cbx33> sorry
[08:08] <HedgeMage> I install Edubuntu, switch themes, and I can't switch back to the default, why?
[08:08] <ogra> sure you can
[08:08] <ogra> dpkg-reconfigure will always do what you tell it
[08:08] <HedgeMage> it is there as my "current" settings but isn't saved as an actual theme unless the user does so manually
[08:08] <ogra> but thats only for the systme defaults
[08:09] <ogra> its a feature imho that gconf overrides that if user settings are present
[08:09] <HedgeMage> Why would saving the defaults as a theme and having it in the theme chooser list be a bad thing?
[08:10] <ogra> oh, you are talking about the theme chooser ...
[08:11] <ogra> i'm not sure i'll find the time to implement it tonight i'll need to sleep at some point
[08:12] <ogra> but from tomorrow on the archive is pretty much locked (and we're not allowed to upload tommorw by company policy)
[08:12] <cbx33> ogra, you'd better sleep tomorrow
[08:12] <ogra> i'll see what i can do, but my schedule is already more than full
[08:12] <HedgeMage> ogra: I'll happily do it if you can tell me what to do to get it in there, it's a quick thing and I already have it saved as a theme on my system.
[08:13] <HedgeMage> ogra: I know you are busy as busy can be right now
[08:13] <ogra> if i do it i want to do it for all three themes
[08:13] <ogra> and it will require some packaging work and some makefile fu
[08:14] <ogra> we'll aslo have to change the default desktop font it seems ... i was hoping to get a fixed version of our current one, but that didnt happen
[08:16] <Burgwork> ogra, http://www.safedesk.com/opensource/
[08:17] <ogra> Burgwork, haha, funny
[08:17] <ogra> uuuh, shudder, they use a cifs based solution for localdevices
[08:18] <cbx33> shudder indeed
[08:19] <ogra> Burgwork, they took our ltsp and renamed it ! blasphemy !
[08:21] <Burgwork> ogra, what grabbed me was the network traffic they purport to get
[08:21] <ogra> its quite funny that they need 128M on the clients
[08:21] <ogra> not even breezy was that evil
[08:22] <cbx33> hehehe
[08:22] <HedgeMage> ogra: what are the standalone HW reqs on the cd sleeve again?  lost that bit, and need to do a quick re-do of my hw section
[08:22] <cbx33> HedgeMage, did you see my changes on the proofing?
[08:23] <Burgwork> ogra, plus I hate companies that have "open source editions"
[08:23] <HedgeMage> cbx33: looking now
[08:23] <Burgwork> usually that means "we don't care about this version"
[08:24] <ogra> System Requirements 
[08:24] <ogra> The default classroom server installation requires a CPU of at least 1 GHz, at least 256 MB of RAM for the server and an additional 128 MB of RAM per thin client (e.g., a server driving two clients should have at least 512 MB RAM), and at least 2.5 GB of disk space.
[08:24] <ogra> A standalone Edubuntu workstation requires a CPU of at least 500 Mhz, at least 128 MB of RAM, and at least 2.1 GB of disk space.
[08:24] <ogra> HedgeMage, ^^^^^^^^^^
[08:24] <HedgeMage> thanks
[08:25] <ogra> we should probably add that the live installer needs at least 256M :)
[08:27] <HedgeMage> cbx33: just finished reading/comparing intro, nice changes.  It's definitely clearer.
[08:28] <Laser_away> ogra: how much ram does a Edubuntu LTSP server need?
[08:28] <ogra> Laser_away, read above :)
[08:28] <cbx33> HedgeMage, hope so
[08:29] <Laser_away> ogra: oh, that's for Edubuntu? I thought you were talking about that safedesk.com thing
[08:29] <ogra> nope
[08:29] <ogra> they require 128M *on the client* as well
[08:30] <ogra> dapper can live happily with 48M clients
[08:30] <Laser_away> hmm, I was actually talking with the department sys admin about converting our computer lab ( ~10 computers ) into a LTSP setup
[08:30] <Laser_away> I was wondering what the server requirements would be
[08:31] <ogra> the above numbers are the bare minimum ...
[08:31] <ogra> (i guess 1ghz with 20 clients wont be fun :) )
[08:32] <cbx33> ogra, we had 9 clients on a Dell D600 laptop
[08:32] <Laser_away> but a new server ( > 2GHz anyway) with 2-4GB RAM would probably work for 10 clients?
[08:32] <ogra> all running firefox and openoffice ? 
[08:32] <ogra> Laser_away, easily
[08:33] <Laser_away> cool
[08:33] <cbx33> ogra, most of them
[08:33] <cbx33> slowed down a little when 3-4 loaded tuxmath
[08:34] <Laser_away> so do would apps that use opengl work as well on a thin client setup?
[08:35] <ogra> nope
[08:35] <cbx33> blender dies
[08:35] <ogra> you need to twiddle a bit and get them running locally on the client
[08:35] <ogra> cbx33, only if you render
[08:35] <cbx33> local apps ogra ?
[08:36] <ogra> cbx33, feel free to write a spec ;)
[08:36] <cbx33> maybe I'll write one when i finish modelling this house
[08:36] <cbx33> and finish LTSP
[08:36] <cbx33> and finish ESA
[08:36] <ogra> good plan
[08:36] <ogra> :)
[08:36] <ogra> haha
[08:37] <ogra> thats only how it starts :P
[08:37] <Laser_away> hmm, well several of the chemistry modeling apps use opengl to render :/
[08:38] <lucasvo> Burgwork: to continue the discussion...
[08:38] <lucasvo> You think I should use the default font from ubuntu for the logo
[08:38] <lucasvo> that's boring
[08:38] <Laser_away> ogra: what do you mean by running locally? do you have to install them on the client?
[08:38] <ogra> Laser_away, yep
[08:38] <Burgwork> lucasvo, if you think it is boring, get it changed, don't change it yourself
[08:38] <ogra> you need DRI access, that doesnt work via network 
[08:39] <lucasvo> and except for the logo, I want to adapt the ubuntu "style"
[08:39] <Burgwork> lucasvo, http://gnomejournal.org/ <-- take a look at that
[08:39] <lucasvo> Burgwork: I know it
[08:39] <lucasvo> that was what inspired me
[08:39] <Burgwork> notice that they have not changed the GNOME logo
[08:39] <lucasvo> I didn't change the ubuntu logo
[08:39] <Burgwork> yes you did
[08:39] <lucasvo> I made a new Ubuntu Journal Logo
[08:40] <lucasvo> which contains the ubuntu emblem
[08:40] <Burgwork> besides the issue of changing the font, I find the your actually quite ugly
[08:40] <lucasvo> why?
[08:40] <Burgwork> the font looks sloppy
[08:41] <HedgeMage> care to share a link, guys, so the rest of us know what you're talking about?
[08:41] <Burgwork> lucasvo, ?
[08:41] <lucasvo> it's a font scanned from a austrian legal taxt 
[08:41] <Burgwork> oh, joy, so it doesn't even scalke
[08:41] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuJournal
[08:41] <lucasvo> and http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/Journal.png
[08:42] <lucasvo> what scale?
[08:42] <lucasvo> Burgwork: of course it scales
[08:42] <lucasvo> it's a TTF font
[08:42] <Burgwork> can you freely redistribute the font?
[08:42] <lucasvo> yes
[08:43] <lucasvo> Burgwork: what font would you use?
[08:43] <Burgwork> I would use the default Ubuntu font
[08:43] <Burgwork> for better or worse, it is our branding
[08:44] <lucasvo> I already use the emblem, so why use the ubuntu logo as well
[08:44] <Burgwork> there are lots of other places we can make the journal rock, without resorting to changing the font of the logo
[08:44] <lucasvo> I don't think it's necessary to leave the ubuntulogo untuched
[08:44] <HedgeMage> I wouldn't say it's ugly, but it's a bit hard to read and doesn't really mesh with the other stuff (i.e. it may look out of place)
[08:45] <lucasvo> btw, where can I get the "ubuntu font"?
[08:45] <HedgeMage> just another unsolicited, non-expert opinion btw :)
[08:45] <Burgwork> it is called ubuntutitle I think
[08:45] <Burgwork> it is in universe
[08:49] <lucasvo> Burgwork: do you think that's better: http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/UbuntuJournal.png
[08:49] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: mind if I have a peek? or should I leave you two alone?
[08:49] <lucasvo> no, your opinion is welcome
[08:50] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: what do you think in general about the idea?
[08:51] <HedgeMage> of doing an "ubuntu journal" ?  I think it's very cool *if* we can avoid the trap other distros tend to fall into of making it something interesting only to developers/power-users instead of the whole community
[08:51] <cbx33> HedgeMage, agreed
[08:52] <HedgeMage> (Gentoo being the exception because developers and power users ARE their whole community, so you can't really fault them LOL)
[08:52] <ogra> HedgeMage, that was the initial idea of the fridge 
[08:52] <cbx33> tbh, i think that getting a whole page mockup would be very beneficial
[08:52] <cbx33> we can worry about fonts later :0
[08:56] <cbx33> did i hit someone with my coins
[08:57] <HedgeMage> cbx33: hit someone with coins? huh?
[08:57] <Laser_away> I don't really understand how it would work
[08:58] <Laser_away> how is it different than fridge/planet?
[08:58] <HedgeMage> ogra: the fridge is cool, and *I* read it, but people like my mom (somewhat-reformed technophobe) will be much more comfortable with a familiar format like a magazine, especially if it's offered in print form
[08:59] <cbx33> HedgeMage, I agree
[08:59] <cbx33> much as I love online material
[09:00] <cbx33> I love having a printed thing to stick in my bag to read when in car/train etc
[09:00] <Laser_away> ok, and so how is this paid for? people by the magazine from lulu?
[09:00] <HedgeMage> If something will appeal to me and my mom (opposite ends of the spectrum as far as techie comfort/knowledge) it'll appeal to 90% of our user base :)
[09:00] <cbx33> HedgeMage, agreed
[09:01] <cbx33> Laser_away, well, there was the talk of advertising, (unconfirmed)
[09:01] <HedgeMage> (It's an especially apt comparison for Edubuntu since she's been a school teacher for just over 25 years)
[09:01] <cbx33> indeed
[09:03] <Laser_away> I'm just not sure you can pass the HedgeMage + her mom test
[09:03] <HedgeMage> brb
[09:03] <HedgeMage> tt needs me
[09:07] <Laser_away> btw, I'm not discouraging people from trying, but it seems like any awefully tall order to fill
[09:10] <Burgwork> lucasvo, much better
[09:10] <Burgwork> I might want to make the journal part a slightly different size
[09:13] <cbx33> lucasvo, got a link?
[09:13] <HedgeMage> okay, folks, I'm back, but I'm cleaning the kitchen while I IRC, so I may be slow-ish to respond
[09:14] <cbx33> heheh
[09:15] <HedgeMage> BTW, I was officially talked into throwing a Dapper release day party, so anyone interested in a hot tub / pool party in the Olympia, WA area give me a buzz
[09:15] <HedgeMage> (USA)
[09:16] <Burgwork> hmm, might have to fly down
[09:16] <HedgeMage> you would be very welcome!
[09:16] <Laser_away> I'd have to fly up
[09:17] <HedgeMage> if we have Laser_away you could do that, too ;)
[09:17] <HedgeMage> ack
[09:17] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: you can come if Laser_away isn't there
[09:18] <HedgeMage> I started to type "If we have enough people to eat it, I'm making an Edubuntu cake"
[09:18] <crimsun> I'd have to fly around the world
[09:18] <HedgeMage> my delete key failed me :P
[09:19] <Laser_away> ok, I'm really away now for a while :-)
[09:19] <HedgeMage> I don't know that the party would be exciting enough to merit an expensive flight, but you're all welcome here :)
[09:20] <juliux> hi highvoltage 
[09:21] <highvoltage> hi juliux 
[09:22] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[09:23] <HedgeMage> hi highvoltage 
[09:24] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 and HedgeMage !
[09:24] <highvoltage> how are things in edubuntuland?
[09:24] <cbx33> highvoltage, pm
[09:24] <highvoltage> i've been away the whole week so far, need to catch up :)
[09:24] <cbx33> highvoltage, hang on I have meeting notes for you
[09:25] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew
[09:27] <highvoltage> thanks, cbx33 
[09:27] <cbx33> np
[09:28] <sbartleylinux> ogra, I think I asked you before but want to confirm.  Will local printer support be working on Dapper LTSP?
[09:28] <juliux> cbx33, good record!
[09:29] <cbx33> thanks juliux 
[09:29] <ogra> sbartleylinux, its untested but should work (its identical code from ltsp.org)
[09:30] <sbartleylinux> k.  same configs in lts.conf then?
[09:30] <sbartleylinux> thx.
[09:36] <Burgwork> this looks like fun http://dinoseq.sourceforge.net/
[09:45] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[09:51] <highvoltage> hi P3L|C4N0 
[09:51] <highvoltage> hi ogra 
[09:59] <highvoltage> ogra
[09:59] <ogra> highvoltage
[09:59] <highvoltage> hi there
[09:59] <cbx33> ogra
[09:59] <cbx33> highvoltage, 
[09:59] <cbx33> sorry thought this was a game
[09:59] <cbx33> :p
[09:59] <highvoltage> JaneW e-mailed me about the css
[10:00] <highvoltage> between cbx33 and i, we'll definately have it sorted out before the end of the weekend
[10:00] <ogra> yep, would be good to have that sorted before release at least
[10:00] <highvoltage> ogra: so it will be bright and colourful again before release for sure
[10:00] <cbx33> highvoltage, was it the 4.7 upgrade that killed it?
[10:00] <ogra> shipit is open since today, so there might be more hits
[10:00] <highvoltage> ah, i see
[10:01] <highvoltage> cbx33: is editing the FAQ page to update
[10:01] <highvoltage> i'll add a news item for the shipit as well
[10:01] <ogra> how do you guys like the new usplash ? 
[10:01] <cbx33> am I?
[10:01] <cbx33> :p
[10:01] <juliux> ogra, nice
[10:01] <cbx33> i was never sent the information :p
[10:01] <ogra> juliux, good :)
[10:01] <cbx33> cos I tried and couldn;t edit
[10:01] <cbx33> but if you wanna ship it over to me I can do highvoltage 
[10:02] <ogra> juliux, looks like it will still be tweaked a little
[10:02] <ogra> http://omega.avalanchestudios.net/personal/dropbox/usplash/new/edu_newsuggestion_0_8_SCALED_BAR.png
[10:02] <cbx33> ooooooh nice
[10:02] <cbx33> this will be on LTSP too?
[10:02] <ogra> nope
[10:02] <cbx33> ok
[10:02] <ogra> ltsp will only have an edubuntu ldm theme for now
[10:03] <juliux> ogra, i can try to test the rc next week, but at the moment we have only 1/10 from our internet bandwidth
[10:03] <juliux> ogra, the lwl switch is broken 
[10:03] <highvoltage> ogra: i'll be dist-upgrading on saturday, then i can give you comment on it
[10:03] <cbx33> ogra, I will be testing monday
[10:03] <ogra> i was actually thinking about a specific ltsp usplash, but time is to short
[10:03] <cbx33> ogra, i agree
[10:03] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm at a hotel atm, with no bandwidth :(
[10:03] <juliux> ogra, nice bootsplash
[10:04] <highvoltage> ogra: usplash looks ok. is there a way for users to manually install it in chroot by just apt-getting it in there?
[10:05] <ogra> yep
[10:05] <ogra> i just cant do it from the postinst from edubuntu-artwork and for a big ltsp defaults change its to late
[10:05] <highvoltage> ok, nice
[10:06] <ogra> HedgeMage, artwork fixed, you have two themes in the selector now
[10:07] <cbx33> w00t
[10:07] <cbx33> thanx ogra 
[10:11] <HedgeMage> thanks ogra 
[10:12] <sbartleylinux> ogra, well, initial testing fails with printing.  All I get in response to test prints is a message that "Network host '192.168.151.120' is busy, down, or unreachable;  will retry in 30 seconds...'
[10:17] <Burgwork> cbx33, are you going to be around in about 8 hours to work on the ESA?
[10:17] <cbx33> hmmm 8 hours
[10:18] <cbx33> I'll be around in about an hour
[10:18] <cbx33> hmm that'll be till 11 my time....then...sleeping....then up at 6 my time - then travelling into work
[10:18] <cbx33> I'll be in work at about 7:30 my time
[10:18] <cbx33> which is 
[10:18] <cbx33> over 8 hours away
[10:19] <cbx33> does anyone know who owns LTSPHowTo
[10:20] <ogra> i think either highvoltage or jelkner (or one of his students) created it initally
[10:20] <cbx33> ok is it good to be moved?
[10:20] <cbx33> actually it's too old
[10:20] <cbx33> what are we doing with pages like this?
[10:22] <ogra> yay
[10:22] <cbx33> ogra, anyideas on LTSPHowTo ?
[10:23] <LaserJock> ogra: you might have a uni Edubuntu setup before you know it ;-)
[10:23] <cbx33> ooooooooooooooooooh
[10:23] <mhz> hey guys
[10:23] <ogra> *G*
[10:23] <cbx33> hi mhz 
[10:23] <cbx33> howz it going
[10:23] <mhz> cool
[10:23] <mhz> for a moment I thought I had lost the lab I had just installed a few days ago
[10:24] <cbx33> then you're gonna sleep right ogra ?
[10:24] <mhz> nah. he never sleeps
[10:24] <LaserJock> cbx33: ogra sleeps?
[10:24] <ogra> lest see i'm still allowed 1.5h :)
[10:24] <cbx33> ogra, has promised to sleep tomorrow
[10:24] <ogra> we are forced to 
[10:24] <mhz> !lastnap ogra
[10:24] <ubotu> mhz: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:24] <mhz> :D
[10:24] <ogra> company policy ...
[10:24] <LaserJock> yes, please do
[10:25] <ogra> nobody is allowed to work tomorrow
[10:25] <cbx33> !lastnap cbx33
[10:25] <ubotu> cbx33: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:25] <mhz> hehehe
[10:25] <LaserJock> ogra: we don't want you to have a mental breakdown the last week ;-)
[10:25] <ogra> has anybody ever heard of Bertrand Juglas
[10:25] <ogra> ?
[10:25] <mhz> cbx33, any ideas where we can get a whole list of eduapps installed by default?
[10:26] <cbx33> mhz, most of them should be in the ESA
[10:26] <mhz> oh, okis
[10:26] <mhz> most or all?
[10:26] <ogra> he'll attend paris and lists "lstp, edubuntu, ubuntu, GNOME" as his interests
[10:26] <cbx33> should be all
[10:26] <cbx33> who is he?
[10:27] <LaserJock> we should have a list of all edu apps in Ubuntu and have them catagorized somehow
[10:27] <ogra> no idea
[10:27] <ogra> i just discovered him on the attendees page
[10:27] <cbx33> LaserJock, the ESA should help with that, but a broader one would help
[10:27] <LaserJock> cbx33: I think a troll through Universe would be good :-)
[10:28] <cbx33> LaserJock, yes
[10:28] <cbx33> a fantastic and totally time worthy idea
[10:28] <LaserJock> I had to do that for MOTU Science
[10:28] <LaserJock> ~ 450 packages
[10:28] <cbx33> would be a great addition to the Edubuntu site
[10:28] <cbx33> roll on MOTU Edu
[10:29] <LaserJock> cbx33: then I made a list tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/all_list.html
[10:29] <cbx33> they are all science
[10:29] <highvoltage> cbx33: i also think LTSPHowTo was Jelkner or Collin Applegate
[10:29] <cbx33> WOW imagine how many edu ones ther eare
[10:29] <LaserJock> cbx33: right, but I could do one for edu too ;-)
[10:29] <cbx33> highvoltage, what do you want to do with that page
[10:29] <cbx33> it's old ans stale
[10:29] <highvoltage> mhz: hey mon
[10:30] <mhz> highvoltage, cool!
[10:30] <cbx33> gtg for a while guys
[10:30] <mhz> I need to talk to ya
[10:30] <mhz> cbx33, no worries, the muffins are still in the oven :)
[10:30] <highvoltage> k
[10:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: that page can be deleted
[10:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: it describes how to install from ltsp.org tarball
[10:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: not how it should be done
[10:32] <LaserJock> ok, this is kind of a stupid question, but what would be the best resource for an admin looking into Edubuntu/LTSP?
[10:33] <highvoltage> LaserJock: what do you mean? LTSP specifically?
[10:33] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i suppose that the cookbook would be the resource, specifically
[10:35] <highvoltage> LaserJock: there's http://www.edubuntu.org/thinclientconfig for thin client setting tuning. that's being included with the edubuntu docs on the cd
[10:35] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I think mostly LTSP, I got the department admin interested but he doesn't know  anything about LTSP but wants to try it out on a spare computer
[10:35] <highvoltage> ltsp generally works out of the box if the default installation is chosen
[10:35] <pygi> ogra, will you be able to write those two articles or should we do it?
[10:36] <highvoltage> which is more or less described at http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[10:36] <ogra> highvoltage, i updated the screenshots in the edubuntu-docs package
[10:36] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i think we probably need to have an "LTSP howto" for a machine that was originally installed as a standalone machine
[10:36] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks!
[10:37] <highvoltage> ogra: can you upload them to your people space so that i can update them?
[10:37] <ogra> and ripped out the lts.conf from gettingstarted and instead added a link to the thinclientconfig
[10:37] <highvoltage> sorry... being silly... i can just get them from the doc package
[10:37] <highvoltage> ogra: nice
[10:37] <ogra> just apt-get source edubuntu-docs
[10:37] <highvoltage> i'll have to do that saturday morning.
[10:37] <highvoltage> my cell phone bill is killing me this month
[10:38] <ogra> the lts.conf from gettingstarted was really an old one :)
[10:38] <sbartleylinux> yep :)
[10:38] <ogra> note that i indexed all pics to 255 colors, that decreases the size by 2 third and you dont see any difference
[10:39] <ogra> the current edubuntu-docs package is ~220k big (including all screenshots)
[10:40] <LaserJock> ogra: is edubuntu-docs online somewhere?
[10:40] <ogra> my only prob is that we only have 288k left on i386 and i still hadn't the balls to just try if it fts
[10:40] <ogra> *fits
[10:40] <ogra> LaserJock, apt-get source edubuntu-docs
[10:41] <LaserJock> ogra: no, I mean ubuntu-docs is also built as html and put on doc.ubuntu.com
[10:41] <ogra> ah, no
[10:41] <LaserJock> ok, np, I just wondered
[10:42] <highvoltage> ogra: excellent :) (the image shrinking)
[10:42] <ogra> btw, html in yelp looks awful, somehow yelp thinks it needs to exchange sans with nimbus sans
[10:43] <highvoltage> ogra: to be safe, it might be possible to remove an image or two and just describe the screen in text?
[10:43] <highvoltage> ew. i don't know yelp. i wander why it would do that?
[10:43] <highvoltage> btw- does anyone know what OWA stands for in Ubuntu?
[10:43] <sbartleylinux> ogra, is there any documentation that describes the ltsp client id handling in ubuntu ltsp?  i.e. under ltsp.org, it uses ws001 in lts.conf and hosts and if static ip is used, in dhcpd.conf.  The client then has the id of ws001.  how is this done in ubuntu ltsp?
[10:43] <LaserJock> ogra: so are the docs in html or xml?
[10:43] <ogra> highvoltage, i'd rather have some spare space
[10:44] <ogra> LaserJock, html currently
[10:44] <LaserJock> ogra: hmm, the doc team shipped html for some time and it looked ok I think, I wonder if the css was different or something
[10:45] <ogra> sbartleylinux, not at all, since its not really needed, our aim is to aoutomate it all with no need for manual dns setups if possible 
[10:45] <ogra> might be
[10:45] <ogra> i just used the css from the browser page (which is a generic ubuntu one with some color changes)
[10:46] <ogra> i think its a fontconfig prob
[10:50] <sbartleylinux> ogra, k. so, then how is printing supposed to work? My understanding of the ltsp.org is that you put ws001 in /etc/hosts with the ip associated to that ws.  Thus when you config a printer, say using cups, you point to socket://ws001:9100  
[10:51] <sbartleylinux> ogra, what designates the ws name to the ip association to the printer port association?
[10:51] <ogra> hmm, optimal would be if it would pick the ip from the users environment automatically
[10:51] <ogra> no idea, thats an #ltsp feature
[10:53] <sbartleylinux> So, there is no intent to configure that functionality into dapper ltsp?
[10:53] <sbartleylinux> I thought there was.
[10:54] <mhz> hmm, how is one supposed to run moodle in Edubuntu?
[10:55] <mhz> Ohh, TuxMath via LTSP is tooooooooooo slooooooow
[10:55] <ogra> sbartleylinux, i have about 30mins to upload changes to dapper 
[10:55] <ogra> i doubt i'll find the fix in that time
[10:56] <ogra> i promise i'll look into it and document the right way asap
[10:56] <ogra> but i doubt if there has to be done anything to the package that we can do it
[10:56] <bimberi> highvoltage: Outlook Web Access
[10:59] <sbartleylinux> ogra, k.  When can I talk with you about this?  This appears to be the final piece of our solution that is still broken and is critical to our ability to use the ubuntu ltsp solution.  
[10:59] <sbartleylinux> I know you are busy today but if we could talk sometime this week that would be great.
[10:59] <saugilsr> Is there a plan for an including a method of imaging workstations in edubuntu? 
[10:59] <ogra> we'll get it working one or the other way
[10:59] <sbartleylinux> :)
[10:59] <sbartleylinux> k. 
[10:59] <sbartleylinux> that is what I needed to know.
[10:59] <sbartleylinux> thanks and have fun today.
[11:00] <ogra> thanks :)
[11:00] <ogra> saugilsr, not yet, but feel free to create a spec for it ;)
[11:01] <saugilsr> ogra:  ok.  I happen to be imagining a lab today (win) but i was testing out some OS imaging packages..
[11:01] <ogra> i think some scripting around partimage and a nework botting grub should work
[11:01] <ogra> *booting
[11:02] <saugilsr> ogra:  thats basically what UDPCast and Clonzilla do.. 
[11:02] <ogra> i've seen some proprietary solutions offering you to boot ltsp or win98 
[11:02] <saugilsr> ogra: Clonzilla looks interesting but never used it..
[11:02] <ogra> (funnily on built on top of SuSE)
[11:06] <ogra> night all
[11:07] <LaserJock> have fun sleeping, etc.
[11:08] <cbx33> mhz, you still there?
[11:11] <cbx33> Burgwork, hopefully I'll see you tomorrow morning then?
[11:11] <HedgeMage> geeze, what a long phone call!
[11:11] <Burgwork> cbx33, sure. Where do you live?
[11:14] <cbx33> hehe
[11:14] <cbx33> UK
[11:14] <cbx33> :p
[11:14] <cbx33> HedgeMage, crikey you went away like an hour ago
[11:15] <Burgwork> cbx33, ah, in that case, hmm
[11:16] <cbx33> hehe
[11:16] <cbx33> right I'm off to bed, I'm shattered
[11:16] <cbx33> Burgwork, feel free to edit up anything if you get time
[11:16] <cbx33> I'll be taking it to work with me tomorrow mornin
[11:16] <HedgeMage> cbx33: 67 minute phone call, eesh!
[11:16] <Burgwork> cbx33, I plan on working on it tonight, so you will have something edited before your am
[11:17] <cbx33> about 6:30 UTC
[11:17] <cbx33> am
[11:17] <HedgeMage> night night cbx33 
[11:17] <HedgeMage> ttyl
[11:19] <mhz> cbx33, yah, I was trying to get more info about Devenix
[11:19] <cbx33> nn HedgeMage 
[11:19] <cbx33> mhz, kewl
[11:19] <cbx33> will chat to you about it tomorrow
[11:19] <mhz> okis
[11:20] <mhz> glad to
[11:20] <cbx33> basically it' a complete php / web dev studio...bootable off of a USB stick
[11:20] <cbx33> so you can carry not only your documents but your OS wherever you go
[11:20] <cbx33> oh and it has PHP4 and PHP5 running in aprallel
[11:20] <cbx33> that's the basics
[11:20] <cbx33> www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress
[11:20] <cbx33> has my blog posts about it
[11:20] <cbx33> nn all
[11:22] <mhz> nn
[11:26] <mhz> see ya later guys