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kwwiiDaSkreech: also a good point12:03
kwwiiyou are right on both12:03
kwwiiguess it is a bit late for the current release, but it should definitely be fixed12:04
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DaSkreechWell there is a few weeks12:04
apacheloggerRiddell still hides?12:05
pygiRiddell, if you want, rank it down as well12:05
kwwiiDaSkreech: hehe, freeze was quite a while ago12:05
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DaSkreechSo Who is in charge?12:06
kwwiiDaSkreech: dude, it is not a matter of who is charge but how much time there is left12:08
DaSkreechkwwii: Well since the time for Dapper is none I guess it doesn't matter :)12:08
DaSkreechSo I want to work with someone to get some polish in for Edgy12:09
DaSkreech(ironically)12:09
kwwiiDaSkreech: it does matter, but it is not realizable for this release, I would guess12:09
DaSkreechSince it should have an edge :-)12:09
kwwiiDaSkreech: definitely12:09
DaSkreechSo anyone have an idea how hard it is to get enter to work?12:09
kwwiiDaSkreech: everything you said has a good basis12:10
kwwiidude, those are bugs, straight up and down12:10
kwwiienter them12:10
DaSkreechAh Launchpad?12:10
kwwiithey should get a higher status as they are probably important12:10
kwwiiyepp12:10
Riddellapachelogger: hmm?12:11
apacheloggerRiddell: amaroK 1.4 is out - see mail - and we submitted a news to the dot :)12:11
Riddellapachelogger: am just about to publish it12:12
apacheloggerhoooray :D12:12
pygiRiddell, include that bugfix then :)12:12
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pygihey apachelogger, whats up? :)12:12
Riddellapachelogger: you missed some trademarks in that announcement12:12
Riddell(sarcasm)12:12
apacheloggerthe usual, releasing software and then get hell drunken ;-)12:13
apacheloggerRiddell: always the problem :S12:13
pygiapachelogger, we can celebrate once gst engine is "up to par" with other engines :)12:13
Riddellpygi: I did12:13
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pygiRiddell, o nice, very thanks :)12:13
Riddellapachelogger: please do, there's no need to acknowledge trademarks unless you're trading12:13
apacheloggeryep12:13
Riddellpygi: but I didn't change the version number12:14
apacheloggerI actually wonder why we added them :S12:14
Riddellapachelogger: now on http://dot.kde.org/12:15
apacheloggerawesome12:15
apacheloggergonna get you some karma boost in #amarok ;-)12:16
pygiargh, we really need to start working on that gst engine :(12:16
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raphinkhi Riddell12:26
Riddellbon soir12:26
raphinkRiddell: is it fine to you to sync desktop files from svn for adept so we have translated ones?12:27
Riddellthat's what happens each time we do an adept upload12:28
raphinkeach time we sync with svn yes12:28
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raphinkbut we're not to do it again before release, are we?12:28
RiddellI think we will, it's not at 2.0 yet12:29
raphinkhmm ok then12:30
raphinkif that's sure then fine12:30
kwwiinight all12:34
kwwiisleep well, I know I will12:34
pyginight kwwii 12:34
kwwiimeeting at 8am tomorrow12:34
pygilucky, you can sleep :)12:34
kwwii:-)12:34
kwwiibut only till 7am :-(12:35
pygi:(12:35
kwwiiI am not a morning person12:35
kwwiianyway12:35
kwwiisee you tomorrow12:35
pygianyway, good night and tommorow :)12:35
kwwiibye12:35
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pyginight12:37
jjesse3.5.2 is the version of kde being shipped in 6.06/12:37
jjesse?12:37
raphinksure12:42
jjesseraphink: is that a sure directed to me?12:45
raphinksure12:45
raphink:)12:45
jjessegrin12:46
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Riddelljjesse: yes12:59
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Huahuari06:20
Huahuahello , Riddell 06:20
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Hobbseeoh goody, new amarok release...09:46
crimsun...and to think I /just/ installed beta 3 yesterday.09:47
Hobbseehehe09:49
crimsunah, now I see what \sh was quibbling over. silly xine-lib refuses to reread ~/.asoundrc10:00
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abattoiranyone else here having problems w/ amaroK 1.4 and the mood bar... amaroK crashing?10:33
Hobbseeabattoir: mood bar?10:34
abattoirHobbsee: its disabled by default10:34
abattoirgo to configure amarok10:34
abattoirgeneral options-> components10:34
Hobbseegive me a min...10:34
Hobbseesuddenly discovered a lack of sound10:34
abattoirits just eye-candy i guess, nothing particularly useful...10:34
abattoirbut still :) 10:35
abattoirchoose "Use moods", then right click on the playlist columns and enable moodbar10:36
Hobbseeuh oh...this doesnt sound good...10:36
abattoirwhat doesnt sound good?10:37
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Hobbseewha???10:38
HobbseeE: I wasn't able to locate file for the kubuntu-default-settings package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.10:38
HobbseeE: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?10:38
Hobbseei was playing around with kmix yesterday...10:38
abattoirapt-get?10:38
Hobbseedoesnt have a reinstall command10:39
seaLneRiddell: packages/amarok-latest dosen't point to 1.410:40
seaLnehmm "xine was unable to initialize any audio-drivers"10:44
abattoirinstalled gdb now, this is the backtrace10:45
abattoirhttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/72420610:45
abattoirshould i file a bug @ launchpad?10:46
seaLnedoes anyone have amarok looking like http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/amarok.png ? (right panel partly hidden) does the same full screen 1280x102410:46
abattoirseaLne : nope, its pretty normal for me10:48
seaLnestrange10:48
seaLneare you using xine for play back? just wondering if its only me that can't get that to work10:49
abattoiryes10:49
seaLneand apart from crashing it played?10:49
abattoirwhat happens when you close the playlist view?10:49
seaLnesame on all views10:49
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abattoireven when none of them are displayed huh?10:50
freeflyingseaLne: hi10:50
seaLnehow do you get none?10:50
abattoirjust click on the active tab10:50
seaLnefreeflying: lo10:50
Hobbseeabattoir: okay, sound's back.10:50
abattoirHobbsee: nice :) 10:50
Hobbseei think10:50
seaLneabattoir: ah :) yeah looks ok then10:50
abattoirnow click on it again10:50
abattoirdoes it look the same?10:51
seaLneyeah that fixed it10:51
abattoirgood :) 10:51
seaLnestrange tho10:51
seaLnelooks fine when restarted aswell10:51
abattoirmaybe its the packaging ;) 10:52
Hobbseeabattoir: right, so how do i test this mood thing?10:52
seaLnebut that was the least of my worries with xine engine not working, maybe my sound got broken some way at the same time10:52
abattoirhave you enabled it in the playlist window?10:52
freeflyingseaLne:  the latest review of behindubuntu( translated int ochinese) still not be published10:53
Hobbseeabattoir: i think so10:53
abattoirHobbsee: it generally occurs when a song becomes 'heavy' or there is a change in the song10:53
Hobbseeabattoir: right....10:55
abattoirHobbsee: it crashes?10:55
Hobbseeno, but i may not be trying to reproduce correctly10:55
abattoirhah, there it goes again...10:56
seaLnefreeflying: yeah tell me about it, looking at end of next week for french and german translations, apparently saying to them that the interview was ready to be translated wasn't enough of a hint to them to actually translate it *grumble*10:56
abattoirthis time i got an error output... wait a sec10:56
abattoir"*** WARNING: Recoverable frame level error in file /media/hda6/Music/My Music/Soad/System Of A Down- Inner Vision.mp3 (lost synchronization)10:58
abattoiramarok:   MakeMood: Done processing. Stoping...amarok:   amaroK is crashing..."10:58
pygiabattoir, what you broke again? :)10:58
abattoirpygi: yes... again :(10:59
abattoircan you believe it?10:59
abattoirthe world is so cruel :'( 10:59
abattoirespecially when there is  no amaroK ;) 11:00
pygiwhats wrong with amarok this time?11:00
abattoir*this* time? it crashes... always... i think it is the moodbar 11:00
pygiindeed :P11:01
abattoirok, let me check it out on my 32-bit system...11:02
abattoirbrb11:02
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Hobbseegotta love keyboard input randomly stopping working...11:16
OdyXHobbsee: X problem ?11:16
HobbseeOdyX: dunno.  and you were right, btw11:16
OdyXHobbsee: I do get something like that sometimes...11:16
OdyX"right" - about ?11:17
Hobbseeyour email?11:17
abattoirugh, amaroK is almost 20MB now? 11:18
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Hobbseeokay...repeat after me..."i will not play with ndiswrapper"12:01
Hobbsee:P12:01
abattoirHobbsee: does it have a tune? ;) 12:02
Hobbseehehe12:02
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OdyXHobbsee: did not understand what you did...12:03
HobbseeOdyX: hmm?  with the bug closing?12:03
OdyXNo.... asking for my mail.. 12:04
OdyX:-?12:04
HobbseeOdyX: it was you who emailed me earlier, or i've confused my IRC names with launchpad ones?12:05
OdyXseems...12:05
OdyXI did not e-mail you...12:05
OdyXwell... I don't have enough things to say you.. :-P12:05
Hobbseeoh, okay then...12:07
raphinkhmpf... love stories12:10
Hobbseeraphink: hmm?12:13
raphink[12:03]  <OdyX> Hobbsee: did not understand what you did...12:14
raphink[12:04]  <OdyX> No.... asking for my mail..12:14
raphink[12:04]  <OdyX> :-?12:14
raphink[12:05]  <OdyX> seems...12:14
raphink[12:05]  <OdyX> I did not e-mail you...12:14
raphink[12:05]  <OdyX> well... I don't have enough things to say you.. :-P12:14
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raphinkyou could keep your love talks in private :)12:14
raphink;)12:15
Hobbseeraphink: grrr.  i've had enough of that today already, thanks!12:15
raphinkoh :(12:15
raphinkwhat's wrong Hobbsee?12:16
Hobbseenothing major.12:16
raphinkok12:16
Hobbseeraphink: had my chem lecturer saying (again) that i was in love with the guy i was working with...grrr....12:18
raphink:(12:18
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Hobbseeactually, no, the fact of the matter is that the three of us *like* working together, and it gets done quicker, so we dont want to split, thanks :P12:21
raphinksure that's good :)12:22
Hobbseehehe12:22
Hobbseeraphink: i'm sorry..12:26
raphinkHobbsee: what for?12:27
Hobbseeraphink: how i reacted above12:27
raphinkoh it's ok :)12:27
raphinkmy fault 12:27
raphinkanyway12:28
raphinkgoing to visit an apartment in a few minutes12:28
Hobbseehave fun :)12:28
raphinkthanks12:29
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freeflyingHobbsee: around?12:53
Hobbseefreeflying: yes12:53
freeflyingHobbsee: would you like test knode for me, I've patched it for CJK support12:53
freeflyingHobbsee: I wanna know if it can work with non-cjklocales12:54
Hobbseeum...doesnt that install lots of stuff all over the system?12:54
freeflyingHobbsee: needn't just knode 12:54
HobbseeOdyX: you're right...12:55
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=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Woo! https://shipit.kubuntu.org/ || https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLinuxTag2006 || Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs || https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUbiquity || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meetings in #ubuntu-meeting -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- Next meeting is 22/05/06 2100 UTC
Hobbseeyay!12:58
freeflyingcool, kubuntu's shipit12:58
Hobbseefreeflying: can i say no?  im really phased out here, not up to testing much :P12:59
freeflyingHobbsee: okey,heh12:59
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freeflyingRiddell: no ppc edition?01:02
Riddellfreeflying: seems not01:03
freeflyingRiddell: any pictures of the CD cover?01:04
RiddellI don't think that's final yet01:04
RiddellI don't have the artwork01:05
Riddellit's a big gear image last I saw it01:05
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Hobbseekwwii: nice job with the usplash, btw...looks much better!01:06
OdyXWell... the usplash has some "halo"01:06
OdyXbackground not totally black01:06
Hobbseeyes, so i noticed...01:07
RiddellHobbsee: which one?01:07
OdyXBut... don't understand...01:07
HobbseeRiddell: the usplash?  the one that just came out...01:07
OdyXWe change kdm splash from white to blue and usplash from blue to white...01:07
Hobbseehehe01:07
OdyXWell. Not bad, but curious01:08
abattoirthe moodbar problem doesnt occur w/ i386.... but the combobox for the various 'make moodier' themes is disabled... weird 01:10
RiddellHobbsee: that usplash isn't by kwwii, it's a random usplash that someone uploaded and I'm about to revert01:13
HobbseeRiddell: oh.  pity, it looks quite nice..01:13
Hobbseeexcept for the extra blue square bit...01:14
OdyXRiddell: is this possible ?01:15
OdyXI mean.. somebody randomly uploading things to main ?01:15
HobbseeOdyX: sure.  the right people.  in fact, it shoudl be fairly easy to see who did it...01:15
OdyXand send Ubuntu Armed Forces at home.01:16
RiddellOdyX: yes, anyone with main uploads can upload anything to main01:18
OdyXRiddell: OK. Sill bad to do without "owner" permissions01:18
OdyXso Armed Forces is good solution, huh ?01:19
OdyX;-P01:19
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freeflyingRiddell: can the shipit site be localised?01:29
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Riddellfreeflying: it's part of launchpad, I suspect it can't01:31
HobbseeRiddell: printing works :)01:42
Riddellwoo!01:43
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jjessecheer :)01:43
MidMarkhi,01:43
MidMarkRiddell ping, I've some others ubiquity bug, can I tkae you 10 mins?01:43
freeflyingHobbsee: great news  :)01:43
HobbseeRiddell: this is to my network printer, on an IP address01:43
RiddellMidMark: go ahead01:44
MidMarkok, installer crashes after copying all files at step 7 with in return_to_autopartitioning nextText = get_string("continue", lang) + " >" NameError: global name 'lang' is not defined01:46
MidMarkfill a bug?01:46
MidMarkthis with daily cd-18/501:47
Riddellhmm, it seems to have started calling return_to_autopartitioning randomly01:47
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Riddells/lang/self.lang/  silly me01:47
MidMarkthis bug occurs after trying to access to internet to update but without network it stops with an error, then crashes01:48
Riddellanything else?01:50
MidMarkanother bug in my opinion is: when with manual partitioning I have to choose the mount points01:50
Riddellthat's kind of the meaning of manual :)01:51
MidMarkno sorry01:51
MidMarkwait I have wrong, no bug01:51
MidMarkthis one -> I have partitioned the second hdd with ext301:52
MidMarkbut after done it in the summary it say unknow filesystem01:52
MidMarkdon't know why01:52
Riddellsounds like qtparted being unhelpful01:53
MidMarkthird possible bug is:01:53
MidMarkI had a fat32 hdd with 1 gb of data, I have erased all partitions and make 3 partitions, after done that and applied all, ubiquity still say the occupation of 1 GB01:54
MidMarkis it correct?01:54
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Riddellshouldn't happen01:56
MidMarkok, I have to fill 3 bugs for these?01:57
Riddellplease do01:58
MidMarkok!01:59
kwwiiwhich splash is being used?02:02
raphinkhi Riddell && kwwii02:02
kwwiihi raphink02:03
raphink:)02:03
abattoirRiddell: one more thing i noticed in Ubiquity... initially(during partitioning) it says only 1.5G is needed for the root partition... but later it doesnt work, asks for more...nothing big... just noticed :) 02:03
Hobbseehi raphink 02:04
raphinkHobbsee: lol02:04
MidMarkBug #4539602:05
UbugtuMalone bug 45396 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashes after copied all files to hdd" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4539602:05
Riddellabattoir: should be fixed, it didnt' take into account /boot and other directories02:10
MidMarkBug #4539702:11
UbugtuMalone bug 45397 in ubiquity "after set a partition to ext3 in the summary it says Unknown fs" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4539702:11
abattoirRiddell: ok, thanks :) 02:11
MidMark#4539802:14
MidMarkbug #4539802:14
UbugtuMalone bug 45398 in ubiquity "with a non-empty fat32 hard disk, after delete the partition it still says that it's non-empty" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4539802:14
MidMarkDone!02:15
jjessedoes done mean fixed?02:22
jjesseRiddell: have you gone over the release notes lately are they up to speed?02:23
RiddellI havn't02:23
MidMarkDone means for me reported :)02:23
Riddelldoes it still call ubiquity espresso?02:23
jjessei'll check02:23
jjesserelease notes in both build and trunk call it ubquity02:25
Riddellgroovy02:27
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Riddellkwwii: your splash is being used03:03
kwwiiwhey03:03
kwwiiwhew03:03
kwwiinot that we start a big discussion and want to vote on it :-)03:04
Riddellkwwii: are you going to do the example content package today?  uploads are restricted after today03:05
Hobbseekwwii: hehe, lets vote anyway, where we dont have quorum :P03:06
Hobbseeunder the idea of "practice voting" - to see if we can all agree on somethign :P03:06
kwwiihehe03:06
kwwiiRiddell: yeah, I guess I could do that...been working like crazy on the ubuntu usplash stuff03:07
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Hobbseekwwii: congratulations!03:07
kwwii20-30 emails a day will do that03:07
Riddellkwwii: I don't know what happening with the ubuntu usplash, I was talking about the kubuntu one03:08
kwwiiRiddell: yeah, that is why I got scared03:08
kwwiihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/DapperPropositions03:08
kwwiithey are having a major discussion on the mailing list as well03:09
kwwiiRiddell: I should just add the two or three files that I have to the existing package?03:10
Hobbseeoh my goodness....03:10
Hobbseekwwii: just think about how people would whine if *this* was the new splash... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/YetAnotherUsplashArtworkProposal?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=usplash-2.jpg03:10
kwwiiwell, one of them is an update on an existing file, but you get my point03:10
kwwiilol03:10
Riddellkwwii: yes, and make sure they get installed03:11
kwwiiI like the baby blue kubuntu ones :-)03:11
kwwiiRiddell: ok, I'll probably have one two questions...will you be around later?03:11
kwwiihehe, stupid question, you are always around03:12
Hobbseehehe03:13
Hobbseehe lives here :P03:14
Riddellkwwii: yep03:14
kwwiicool03:14
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kwwiibe back in a bit03:15
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jjessethat sounds like something fun to do 03:18
kwwiioh, that his him that I hear screaming03:19
kwwiiRiddell: what's up with the music in example-content?03:19
kwwiiRiddell: why is it there? is it some kind of official ubuntu music?03:20
Riddellkwwii: no idea, I remember heno talking about a south african band he wanted in03:20
Hobbseeheh, nasty...so he is rebuilding it all now...03:21
kwwiione more quesiton before I leave....03:29
kwwiiI reinstalled (my third kubuntu install!) 03:30
kwwiinow how do I get a development environement up without doing it package per package again?03:30
Riddellsudo apt-get install build-essential03:30
Riddellsudo apt-get build-dep kdelibs-dev kdebase-dev03:30
kwwiikiller, thanks03:30
kwwiiwill taht install pbuilder as well?03:31
Hobbseenot that i recall03:31
Hobbseekwwii: i think you have to do it separately03:31
kwwiiHobbsee: cool, thanks03:31
Hobbseekwwii: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto  if you havent already seen it03:32
Hobbseeseeing as you have to configure it :P03:32
kwwiiyeah, I did that once before :-)03:32
Hobbseeah yes - i keep my config files now - works far better...03:32
kwwiievery time I voyage into the internals of a debian system I get a little scared :-)03:33
kwwiihehe, good idea03:33
kwwiiI should have kept my home as well :-)03:33
kwwiiRiddell: erm, apt-get says it cannot find source packages for kdelibs-dev, is that normal?03:34
Riddellkwwii: you need the deb-src lines uncommented in /etc/apt/sources.list03:35
Riddellkwwii: did you use ubiquity to install?03:35
kwwiigotcha03:35
Hobbseekwwii: no, that's not normal, and no, it shouldnt be happening...03:35
kwwiiRiddell: yes03:35
Riddellkwwii: excellent03:35
kwwiiholy shit03:38
kwwiiI have everything in sources.list uncommented except the "Major bug fix updates produced after the final release..."03:39
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kwwiishould I uncomment that as well?03:39
HobbseeRiddell: can you reproduce that?03:39
Hobbseekwwii: no03:39
kwwiidude, installing without a network is the biggest mistake I ever made03:39
Hobbseehehe03:40
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Riddellkwwii: sudo apt-get update ?03:41
kwwiiyeah, I'll try that03:41
Riddellah, my fault, kdelibs4-dev not kdelibs-dev03:41
kwwiihrm, it wants to install like every dev package known to man03:42
kwwii130 of them03:42
Hobbseehehe03:43
Hobbseeyeah, rather like that :P03:43
Riddellkdelibs has a lot of build dependencies03:43
Hobbseewhy do you need it, anyway?03:43
kwwiiI just want to learn how to build a deb :-)03:44
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kwwiiI was getting soft working for suse...they make it too easy03:44
Hobbseehehe03:44
Hobbseeseen the ubuntu packaging guide?03:44
kwwiiwell, after erasing my home dir I lost all my bookmarks, so not for a while :-)03:45
kwwiiurl?03:45
Hobbseeyou're kidding...why'd you do that??03:45
kwwiiI reinstalled without thinking03:45
kwwiimade a backup of my files, but not any .* dirs03:46
Hobbseekwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources and http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html03:46
Hobbseeouch....03:46
kwwiinext time I partition my mac, I will make a /home03:47
Hobbseehehe...03:47
kwwiiHobbsee: thanks :-)03:47
Hobbseekwwii: not a problem03:47
Hobbseekwwii: if there are problems with the second guide, poke laser_jock, in -motu, who wrote the thing...03:48
kwwii:-)03:48
Hobbseein fact, poke him with a flaming torch and a pitchfork to tell him he did a good job with it :P03:49
kwwiiI'll do that if I am not banging my head against the wall in a couple of hours03:53
Hobbseekwwii: no need for that :P  ask for help either here, or in -motu03:53
Hobbsee#ubuntu-motu 's probably better, as there are more people03:53
kwwiioh, I will...don't worry :-)03:53
Hobbseehehe03:53
Hobbseeand then you can explain it all to me :P03:54
Hobbseewhat are we discussing in our monday meeting, btw?03:55
kwwiimeeting on monday?03:56
Hobbseekwwii: yep, see topic03:56
Hobbsee*adds to meeting agenda*03:57
RiddellHobbsee: well we can find some people for membership03:57
Hobbseei'd better make sure i'm actually there, or that one :P03:57
Riddelllure maybe03:57
HobbseeRiddell: good point, but is our council official yet?03:57
Hobbseetoma, too, if he's not a member...03:57
RiddellHobbsee: I've been meaning to send out a post to the mailing list for a while, hopefully I really will do that today03:58
Hobbseehehe03:58
Hobbseeright.03:58
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HobbseeRiddell: do you know anything about this?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knoda/+bug/4478704:02
UbugtuMalone bug 44787 in knoda "knoda package should recommend some database backends" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  04:02
Riddelldistro meeting now by the way04:02
Hobbseenot being a user of knoda myself04:02
Hobbseeah okay04:02
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RiddellHobbsee: seems sensible that it should, but it's not too important, you could be using a remote database04:03
HobbseeRiddell: right.  hence it would say recommends, instead of depends, then...04:03
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RiddellSuggests probably04:07
HobbseeRiddell: gotcha04:10
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Riddellbut it may  not be worth changing it in ubuntu, it should be done in debian04:11
jjessehmm just updated my system and konverstation froze after the update was complete and konqureor crashed04:11
jjessethen i couldn't type any text on konverstation04:11
Hobbseejjesse: it what?  could you type any text at all?04:12
jjesseno text at all and wasn't seeing new messages04:12
jjessethough i could change tabs04:12
kwwiiso it looks like I cannot add an svg to example-content as all the files types have matching dependencies for apps...the last changelog entry removes those that were previously included04:13
kwwiiso that means, I am really only adding one file04:15
jjesseRiddell: will there be any major changes that would force me to re do any screenshots for the Kubuntu Chapter in the book?04:15
Riddelljjesse: the ordering of some system settings modules has changed04:15
Riddellkdm login screen isn't stripy any more04:16
RiddellI don't know if kwwii is going to come up with funky artwork for ubiquity04:16
Hobbseei like the new kdm login screen - it actually looks nice, rather than making me wince :P04:17
jjessekwwii: can you keep me updated if you change anything for ubquity?04:17
kwwiiRiddell: not sure if we still have time for that...making a better title graphic would be easy, I guess04:17
kwwiijjesse: definitely04:17
jjesseok will have to redo the login screen i think04:17
kwwiiyeah, I need to update it for the package as well04:18
kwwiiwe need a new screenshot for the kdm theme chooser stuff I guess04:18
Riddellkwwii: I was too lazy04:19
Riddellfeel free to do that once you've mastered .deb packaging :)04:19
kwwiihehe :-)04:21
kwwiiI knew this would end up bad04:21
Hobbseehehe04:21
Hobbseekwwii: yes, you get sucked into doing packaging, until you know it all :P04:22
kwwiilol04:22
kwwiior until I screw something up so bad that people think it is better if I make pretty pictures04:23
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Hobbseehaha04:23
Hobbseedont worry, we all do it :P04:23
HobbseeRiddell: my patch for kmix was shocking - kill it off :P04:23
Hobbseei fubar'd my system while testing it :P04:24
Hobbsee(and yes, i did test before i sent it)04:24
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bddebianHello04:29
Riddellhi bddebian 04:31
bddebianHi Riddell04:33
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jjesseRiddell: had the wrong address for kubuntu shipit in the release notes, just changed it and commited it04:53
Riddelljjesse: well spotted, thanks04:54
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kwwiiwhy do I have icons for my harddrives in system:/media/ when I cannot mount them?04:59
kgoetz#include rant.h05:01
kwwiiand why can't I mount them per hand?05:01
kgoetzbecause it's showing everythign in /mdedia, which now includes partitions, for some ungodly reason05:01
kgoetzsaid ungodly reason is the LSB i discovered recently05:01
kwwiihehe05:01
kwwiiwell, it looks nice, they are all there05:02
kwwiibut I cannot mount any of them05:02
kgoetzno, they are mounted into the fstab as root mount/unmount only05:02
kwwiiI cannot even do it as root on the comman line05:03
kwwiiand these partitions are not in /media05:03
kwwiifunky....it worked before my reinstall05:04
kgoetzthen you have stumped me (i don't use KDE, i'm gong from memory)05:04
kwwii:-)05:04
kgoetz:)05:04
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kwwiinow I get it05:06
kwwiihfs support appears to be broken05:06
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kgoetzah, a mac user?05:07
kwwiiyepp, got 5 of 'em now :-)05:08
kgoetz:)05:08
kwwii5 computers that don't work quite so well in linux05:08
kwwiimoney well spent05:08
kgoetzi have 2 ol imacs that don't boot ubuntu install cds, so i'm returning them to my mate soon05:08
kwwiiamazingly I found a person who wants to buy two of my old macs05:09
kgoetzold macs are novel. middle age macs suck :)05:09
kwwiithey have hardware based video editing systems and their computers broke and they cannot buy such anymore05:09
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kgoetzkwwii: the macs as old as i am (give or take a few motnhs)05:10
kwwiiwe used a mac IIe as our print server at my engineering office for years (with a big ole nasty scsi drive)05:10
kwwiilol05:10
kwwiigod I feel old05:10
kgoetz lol05:10
kwwiiok...gotta copy my gpg stuff to finish my first package...bbl05:11
kgoetzyep. 05:11
Riddellkwwii: you don't need to sign it unless you're uploading to revu or the ubuntu archive05:11
Riddelland you can't upload to the ubuntu archive05:11
RiddellHobbsee: we should get kwwii to apply for membership at our meeting05:12
Riddellthen he can't escape :)05:12
HobbseeRiddell: ooh, yes :D05:12
kwwiiRiddell: well, this has to be the easiest package to build ever05:12
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kgoetzlol05:12
kwwiicopy the file to the right place, call a command line tool and it is done, I guess05:12
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kwwiihehe05:12
kwwiiok, now I really have to leave...be back later05:13
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Hobbseenight all...05:54
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kwwiibefore I start...does dpkg-buildpackage take care of the changelog entry as well?06:21
kwwiiplenty of time to figure this out, I am setting up pbuilder now06:22
kwwii:-)06:22
bddebiankwwii: No, you want to use dch -i for adding a changelog entry06:22
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kwwiibddebian: you don't happen to know which package dch is in?06:23
Tonio_hey ;)06:24
kwwiidchroot, I guess06:24
kwwiihi Tonio_06:24
kwwiiI am doing your job again06:24
kwwii;-)06:24
Tonio_kwwii: gimme more details ;)06:24
bddebiankwwii: devscripts I believe06:24
Tonio_hi bddebian06:24
kwwiiyeah, I missed installing devscripts and debhelper06:26
kwwiiso, does one *have* to set up a chroot env. to build debs?06:53
Riddellnope06:54
kwwiiso what is this trying to tell me:06:58
kwwiimake: *** [testroot]  Error 106:58
Riddellah, you need fakeroot06:58
Riddellinstall fakeroot06:58
kwwiiahhhhh06:58
Riddelland use debuild not dpkg-buildpackage06:58
Riddelldebuild calls dpkg-buildpackage but uses fakeroot and has some other checks06:59
kwwiicool, thanks06:59
kwwiihrm, debuild complains about not being able to sign the package07:00
Riddellthat's good, it means it's finished compiling successfully :)07:01
Riddellyou may need gpg installed, or it maybe can't find your key for the e-mail address you put in debian/changelog07:01
Riddellbut you only need to sign it if you're uploading to ubuntu or revu, which you aren't 07:02
kwwiicool07:03
Riddelldo lesspipe on the .deb to make sure it actually has the files you added07:03
kwwiiyepp, both new files are there07:04
kwwiiwhy did it name it *_all.deb ?07:05
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kwwiiie. why did it add _all to the end of the name?07:06
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tomakwwii: that is probably how you named it in the debian/changelog, first line, between the ()07:09
Riddellkwwii: _all is alternative to _i386 or _powerpc etc, it means it's not platform specific07:09
tomao ok07:09
kwwiiahhh-ha07:09
kwwiiI think dch added that 07:09
Riddellit'll have 'all' in the entry in debian/control, 'any' means it gives you i386 or powerpc etc07:10
kwwiiso now I run pbuilder on the dsc file ?07:11
Riddellonly if you want to check that it really builds fine on a clean machine07:12
Riddellbut you've not added any build-deps so there's no reason why it shouldn't07:13
Riddellnow you upload to a web server somewhere and get me or someone to review and upload07:13
kwwiicool07:16
kwwiijust the deb, or the .dsc as well?07:16
kwwiierm, tar.gz as well, I guess?07:17
Riddell.deb, .dsc and .tar.gz07:19
Riddell.deb is least important actually, the source is what's needed07:20
kwwiiyeah, guess I knew that07:20
kwwiibut this whole system couldn't get much more different than suse07:20
Riddell /usr/src/rpm always seems weird to me07:21
kwwii:-)07:22
kwwiiRiddell: once they are up on my server I'll send you a mail with the urls07:26
kwwiimy 8 year old could have built that package :-)07:27
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Riddellyay, icecream got approved07:31
bddebianw00t :-)07:31
kwwiithat is good news07:32
kwwiiat least it is something that I have done before :-)07:32
jjesse_lunchwhat is icecream?07:36
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bddebianA yummy frozen dessert made with cream? :-)07:36
jjessemmmm07:37
kwwiiactually the flavor is secondary to the cross-compiler07:43
bddebian:-)07:44
bddebianOh, new startup screen is nice :-)07:45
kwwiicool :-)07:46
Riddelljjesse: a cluster compiler like teambuilder or distcc07:48
jjesseoh, i was hoping for chocalate chip cookie dough ice cream :(07:48
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bddebianheh07:52
cmvokwwii: Hi! I like the new blue backgrounds for KDM and the desktop splash, much more KDE-ish :-)07:52
jjessei like the deeper blue07:53
cmvokwwii: Here the boot splash looks more purple than blue. Is that intended?07:54
kwwiicmvo: I would guess your monitor is broken07:59
kwwii:-)07:59
kwwiiglad to hear you like the other stuff though!07:59
jjessei thought there were edges that were purplish07:59
kwwii:P07:59
kwwiiwell, they are using colors from the logo07:59
kwwiiso yes, it is a bit purpleish07:59
kwwiibut all in all the logo is not purple07:59
cmvokwwii: Hm, the monitor has its flaws, but all in all the colors looks ok.08:00
cmvokwwii: s/looks/look/08:01
cmvokwwii: I think its a step backwards, but maybe it needs some more reboots for me to get used to it :-)08:02
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kwwiicmvo: a step backwards from what?08:07
kwwiifrom the breezy stuff?08:07
kwwiiI mean, honestly, I know that a lot of the developers liked the breezy stuff but it was a design that was rejected from kde for being too poor quality08:07
jjessei like it08:11
cmvokwwii: No, not breezy, just the more blueish dapper splashes.08:11
kwwiihrm, it uses the same colors as the other stuff I made, I promise :-)08:12
kwwiiit might look more purplish because it is on a black bg08:12
cmvokwwii: The bubbles background is perfect, I like more with every version.08:16
kwwiicool :-)08:16
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cmvokwwii: I'll get used to the new boot splash, but I still think it it too purple-ish for a uniform look. But you don't have to listen to me, I'm just an interested bystander :-)08:19
cmvokwwii: cu around08:19
bddebiankwwii: TMI :)08:21
cmvobddebian: Hi! You asked about the font selection bug #23352 via email a few days ago, as it turns out its more a fontconfig oddity. So I've closed the bug.08:26
UbugtuMalone bug 23352 in kdebase "Incorrect Fixed [misc]  font selected in sizes 13 and 18" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2335208:26
bddebiancmvo: Got that, thank you!08:29
cmvobddebian: You're welcome :-)08:31
bddebianimbrandon: Pulling your kvirc now08:31
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jjessehmm ever since this morning when i updated my system, konqueror stops responding and i miss kill kde to get my system back08:52
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robotgeekproblems with amarok 1.4?09:23
robotgeekit doesn't launch, complains about error09:23
crimsunI'm using it right now without errors09:24
crimsunI did have to wait while it rebuilt the sqlite db from 1.4 beta 309:24
robotgeekhmm, yeah. it works now09:27
robotgeeknice. i did not have too many songs in the collection anyways09:28
crimsunamarok 1.4 is darned nice09:29
robotgeeki'm trying to find out what's new :)09:30
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crimsunI confess I don't spend enough time (re)booting to notice new shiny splashes09:43
crimsun...or are you referring to amarok's splash?09:43
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yuriycrimsun: he probably is, the new amarok splash is pretty sweet09:56
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SimeRiddell: I just committed a fix to KDE's SVN for bug #45130.10:11
UbugtuMalone bug 45130 in kde-systemsettings "[Esc]  "kills" the modules" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4513010:11
RiddellSime: I'll try and get that uploaded tonight before the archive gets frozen10:12
SimeRiddell: when will the archive freeze?10:12
SimeRiddell: exactly?10:12
Riddelldon't know an exact time but I believe anything after today will need the diff approved10:13
SimeRiddell: there is also a small but important bug fix for guidance in combination with french/german.10:19
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Riddellsmall but important means it'll be easy to have reviewed, there won't be a problem10:20
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jjesseare there still a lot of bugs that are causing major show stopping issues?10:33
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kwwiiRiddell, jjesse, I made a faked screen for the preview pic (like the one we already had)11:12
pygihey kwwii, how are you? :)11:13
kwwiipygi: doing well, and yourself?11:13
kwwiialthough my favorite basketball team lost tonight11:14
pygiargh, that's bad :P 11:14
pygiVery good today, thanks for asking :)11:14
kwwiigood to hear :-)11:15
kwwiiRiddell: if I knew in which package it comes from I could replace it11:17
Riddellkwwii: kubuntu-default-settings11:22
Riddellkwwii: you can do  dpkg -S /usr/share/foo to find which package a file comes from11:22
kwwiicool, thanks for the tip11:23
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pygiRiddell, poke11:30
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pygiAmarok 1.4.0a was released11:31
pygiIt fixes database/playlists upgrades11:31
DaSkreechWhen does it hit repos?11:31
Riddellpygi: yeah I know :(11:32
Riddellspose I'll stay up until two in the morning compiling it.  again11:33
pygiRiddell, sorry about that :(11:34
Riddellnot you fault11:34
Riddell... I assume11:34
kwwiithis debuild tool is pretty cool11:34
DaSkreech:-)11:34
Riddelldebuild misses an option to install all the build-deps it complains about11:35
DaSkreechI wonder if anyone has told the katpult people they ahve been hacked11:35
RiddellDaSkreech: hmm?11:35
DaSkreechThe katapult wiki has been hacked11:35
Riddelloh, wiki's do that11:35
DaSkreechWell11:35
DaSkreech It's no longer a wiki11:36
DaSkreechThat's been removed11:36
DaSkreechit's someone else's site now11:36
RiddellURL?11:36
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Riddellkwwii: http://bootsplash.org/example-content_11_all.tar.gz not found11:37
kwwiiRiddell: yeah, I screwed up...remove the _all from that file name11:38
kwwiiat least I only screwed up my mail to you though :-)11:38
Riddellgroovy11:39
kwwiiwhile you are at it, you can grab the new kubuntu-default-settings too11:39
Riddellcertainly can11:39
RiddellURL?11:39
kwwiishould I send a mail or tell you now?11:40
kwwiihttp://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-default-settings_6.06-2011:40
RiddellI'm more responsive to IRC than to e-mail11:40
Riddellhttp://wiki.thekatapult.org.uk/index.html oh dear oh dear11:41
kwwiihttp://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-default-settings_6.06-20.dsc11:41
Riddelleven has its own realplayer audio clip11:41
kwwiihttp://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-default-settings_6.06-20.tar.gz11:41
kwwiihttp://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-default-settings_6.06-20_all.deb11:41
DaSkreechhttp://wiki.thekatapult.org.uk/index.html11:41
DaSkreechSorry got distracted11:42
Riddellkwwii: you're ment to actually add some text in your changelog entry :)11:42
kwwiidude, I did...what more should I say?11:42
tomawhy on earth would someone hack a wiki ??? you can simply edit the site anyways....11:42
kwwiithey did it twice to the opensuse site so far11:42
kwwiiRiddell: the entries were not totally empty, or?11:43
Riddellkwwii: in example-content it's empty11:43
kwwiiI did put a few words :-(11:43
kwwiithen I probably made a mistake somewhere11:43
kwwiithis is the first time I used nano11:43
bddebianLater folks11:44
kwwiinight bddebian11:44
DaSkreechnight11:44
DaSkreechAnyone know an e-mail address for the good folks at Katapult?11:44
DaSkreechOr should I ask in #kde?11:44
RiddellDaSkreech: martin meredith runs the site11:45
Riddellyou can probably find his e-mail on launchpda11:45
Riddellpad11:45
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Riddellkwwii: is png the best format for kubuntu leaflet?11:45
kwwiiRiddell: I think I made a mistake with the example-content because it put the changes in the wrong place11:45
kwwiiRiddell: no, but including the svg was no longer possible11:45
kwwiithere is a script in there that will render it to png anyway11:46
Riddellfair enough then11:46
Riddellkwwii: got a preferred licence on those files?11:47
kwwiitotally free, as far as I am concernded11:48
Riddelldebian/copyright is horribly out of date on example-content but we may as well keep our side up to date11:48
kwwii:-)11:48
kwwiiRiddell: I think I forgot to call dch -i the first time, and therefor my entry ended up below where it should have been11:49
kwwiiin example-content/debian/changelog I added the 8th line but it should have been at line 311:49
DaSkreechok11:51
kwwiiRiddell: teh changelog from kubuntu-default-settings should be correct, let me know if not...it means I made some other mistake11:52
Riddellyeah, I see it11:52
kwwiierm, I guess I should be using the email address from my launchpad account, or?11:53
Riddellonly difference is that if you do you'll get e-mails when the package gets uploaded11:53
Riddellyou can add more than 1 e-mail to your launchpad account11:53
kwwiiwell, right now it is wimer at kde dot org11:54
kwwiiand I think that is probably not so good when working with gnome artists11:54
Riddelltoo late, uploaded :)11:54
kwwiihehe11:54
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kwwiiso from now on, if I want to submit a pic, I'll try to build the package first and then ask for help afterwards :-)11:55
DaSkreechWhy would Gnome artists care?11:55
kwwiiDaSkreech: no idea, but the ubuntu-artist community is a very interesting mixture of strange and hard to deal with people11:56
Riddellkwwii: a bit like the kde artists then :)11:56
kwwiiRiddell: exactly!11:57
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DaSkreechWhere did that come form?11:57
DaSkreechI keep asking who donted it 11:57
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kwwiitheobroma still will not talk to me11:57
DaSkreechThe band is pretty good11:57
DaSkreechdonated11:57
RiddellDaSkreech: I remember heno talking about a south african band he was going to include11:57
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Riddelldput needs a % indicator11:58
kwwii?12:01
Riddellkwwii: dput is used to upload the packages12:02
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Riddella large package like example content takes a while to upload on my adsl12:03
kwwiiyeah, it took a while for me to load it to my server too12:03

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