[12:03] <kwwii> DaSkreech: also a good point
[12:03] <kwwii> you are right on both
[12:04] <kwwii> guess it is a bit late for the current release, but it should definitely be fixed
[12:04] <DaSkreech> Well there is a few weeks
[12:05] <apachelogger> Riddell still hides?
[12:05] <pygi> Riddell, if you want, rank it down as well
[12:05] <kwwii> DaSkreech: hehe, freeze was quite a while ago
[12:06] <DaSkreech> So Who is in charge?
[12:08] <kwwii> DaSkreech: dude, it is not a matter of who is charge but how much time there is left
[12:08] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Well since the time for Dapper is none I guess it doesn't matter :)
[12:09] <DaSkreech> So I want to work with someone to get some polish in for Edgy
[12:09] <DaSkreech> (ironically)
[12:09] <kwwii> DaSkreech: it does matter, but it is not realizable for this release, I would guess
[12:09] <DaSkreech> Since it should have an edge :-)
[12:09] <kwwii> DaSkreech: definitely
[12:09] <DaSkreech> So anyone have an idea how hard it is to get enter to work?
[12:10] <kwwii> DaSkreech: everything you said has a good basis
[12:10] <kwwii> dude, those are bugs, straight up and down
[12:10] <kwwii> enter them
[12:10] <DaSkreech> Ah Launchpad?
[12:10] <kwwii> they should get a higher status as they are probably important
[12:10] <kwwii> yepp
[12:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm?
[12:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: amaroK 1.4 is out - see mail - and we submitted a news to the dot :)
[12:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: am just about to publish it
[12:12] <apachelogger> hoooray :D
[12:12] <pygi> Riddell, include that bugfix then :)
[12:12] <pygi> hey apachelogger, whats up? :)
[12:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: you missed some trademarks in that announcement
[12:12] <Riddell> (sarcasm)
[12:13] <apachelogger> the usual, releasing software and then get hell drunken ;-)
[12:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: always the problem :S
[12:13] <pygi> apachelogger, we can celebrate once gst engine is "up to par" with other engines :)
[12:13] <Riddell> pygi: I did
[12:13] <pygi> Riddell, o nice, very thanks :)
[12:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: please do, there's no need to acknowledge trademarks unless you're trading
[12:13] <apachelogger> yep
[12:14] <Riddell> pygi: but I didn't change the version number
[12:14] <apachelogger> I actually wonder why we added them :S
[12:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: now on http://dot.kde.org/
[12:15] <apachelogger> awesome
[12:16] <apachelogger> gonna get you some karma boost in #amarok ;-)
[12:16] <pygi> argh, we really need to start working on that gst engine :(
[12:26] <raphink> hi Riddell
[12:26] <Riddell> bon soir
[12:27] <raphink> Riddell: is it fine to you to sync desktop files from svn for adept so we have translated ones?
[12:28] <Riddell> that's what happens each time we do an adept upload
[12:28] <raphink> each time we sync with svn yes
[12:28] <raphink> but we're not to do it again before release, are we?
[12:29] <Riddell> I think we will, it's not at 2.0 yet
[12:30] <raphink> hmm ok then
[12:30] <raphink> if that's sure then fine
[12:34] <kwwii> night all
[12:34] <kwwii> sleep well, I know I will
[12:34] <pygi> night kwwii 
[12:34] <kwwii> meeting at 8am tomorrow
[12:34] <pygi> lucky, you can sleep :)
[12:34] <kwwii> :-)
[12:35] <kwwii> but only till 7am :-(
[12:35] <pygi> :(
[12:35] <kwwii> I am not a morning person
[12:35] <kwwii> anyway
[12:35] <kwwii> see you tomorrow
[12:35] <pygi> anyway, good night and tommorow :)
[12:35] <kwwii> bye
[12:37] <pygi> night
[12:37] <jjesse> 3.5.2 is the version of kde being shipped in 6.06/
[12:37] <jjesse> ?
[12:42] <raphink> sure
[12:45] <jjesse> raphink: is that a sure directed to me?
[12:45] <raphink> sure
[12:45] <raphink> :)
[12:46] <jjesse> grin
[12:59] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[06:20] <Huahua> ri
[06:20] <Huahua> hello , Riddell 
[09:46] <Hobbsee> oh goody, new amarok release...
[09:47] <crimsun> ...and to think I /just/ installed beta 3 yesterday.
[09:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:00] <crimsun> ah, now I see what \sh was quibbling over. silly xine-lib refuses to reread ~/.asoundrc
[10:33] <abattoir> anyone else here having problems w/ amaroK 1.4 and the mood bar... amaroK crashing?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> abattoir: mood bar?
[10:34] <abattoir> Hobbsee: its disabled by default
[10:34] <abattoir> go to configure amarok
[10:34] <abattoir> general options-> components
[10:34] <Hobbsee> give me a min...
[10:34] <Hobbsee> suddenly discovered a lack of sound
[10:34] <abattoir> its just eye-candy i guess, nothing particularly useful...
[10:35] <abattoir> but still :) 
[10:36] <abattoir> choose "Use moods", then right click on the playlist columns and enable moodbar
[10:36] <Hobbsee> uh oh...this doesnt sound good...
[10:37] <abattoir> what doesnt sound good?
[10:38] <Hobbsee> wha???
[10:38] <Hobbsee> E: I wasn't able to locate file for the kubuntu-default-settings package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[10:38] <Hobbsee> E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?
[10:38] <Hobbsee> i was playing around with kmix yesterday...
[10:38] <abattoir> apt-get?
[10:39] <Hobbsee> doesnt have a reinstall command
[10:40] <seaLne> Riddell: packages/amarok-latest dosen't point to 1.4
[10:44] <seaLne> hmm "xine was unable to initialize any audio-drivers"
[10:45] <abattoir> installed gdb now, this is the backtrace
[10:45] <abattoir> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/724206
[10:46] <abattoir> should i file a bug @ launchpad?
[10:46] <seaLne> does anyone have amarok looking like http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/amarok.png ? (right panel partly hidden) does the same full screen 1280x1024
[10:48] <abattoir> seaLne : nope, its pretty normal for me
[10:48] <seaLne> strange
[10:49] <seaLne> are you using xine for play back? just wondering if its only me that can't get that to work
[10:49] <abattoir> yes
[10:49] <seaLne> and apart from crashing it played?
[10:49] <abattoir> what happens when you close the playlist view?
[10:49] <seaLne> same on all views
[10:50] <abattoir> even when none of them are displayed huh?
[10:50] <freeflying> seaLne: hi
[10:50] <seaLne> how do you get none?
[10:50] <abattoir> just click on the active tab
[10:50] <seaLne> freeflying: lo
[10:50] <Hobbsee> abattoir: okay, sound's back.
[10:50] <abattoir> Hobbsee: nice :) 
[10:50] <Hobbsee> i think
[10:50] <seaLne> abattoir: ah :) yeah looks ok then
[10:50] <abattoir> now click on it again
[10:51] <abattoir> does it look the same?
[10:51] <seaLne> yeah that fixed it
[10:51] <abattoir> good :) 
[10:51] <seaLne> strange tho
[10:51] <seaLne> looks fine when restarted aswell
[10:52] <abattoir> maybe its the packaging ;) 
[10:52] <Hobbsee> abattoir: right, so how do i test this mood thing?
[10:52] <seaLne> but that was the least of my worries with xine engine not working, maybe my sound got broken some way at the same time
[10:52] <abattoir> have you enabled it in the playlist window?
[10:53] <freeflying> seaLne:  the latest review of behindubuntu( translated int ochinese) still not be published
[10:53] <Hobbsee> abattoir: i think so
[10:53] <abattoir> Hobbsee: it generally occurs when a song becomes 'heavy' or there is a change in the song
[10:55] <Hobbsee> abattoir: right....
[10:55] <abattoir> Hobbsee: it crashes?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> no, but i may not be trying to reproduce correctly
[10:56] <abattoir> hah, there it goes again...
[10:56] <seaLne> freeflying: yeah tell me about it, looking at end of next week for french and german translations, apparently saying to them that the interview was ready to be translated wasn't enough of a hint to them to actually translate it *grumble*
[10:56] <abattoir> this time i got an error output... wait a sec
[10:58] <abattoir> "*** WARNING: Recoverable frame level error in file /media/hda6/Music/My Music/Soad/System Of A Down- Inner Vision.mp3 (lost synchronization)
[10:58] <abattoir> amarok:   MakeMood: Done processing. Stoping...amarok:   amaroK is crashing..."
[10:58] <pygi> abattoir, what you broke again? :)
[10:59] <abattoir> pygi: yes... again :(
[10:59] <abattoir> can you believe it?
[10:59] <abattoir> the world is so cruel :'( 
[11:00] <abattoir> especially when there is  no amaroK ;) 
[11:00] <pygi> whats wrong with amarok this time?
[11:00] <abattoir> *this* time? it crashes... always... i think it is the moodbar 
[11:01] <pygi> indeed :P
[11:02] <abattoir> ok, let me check it out on my 32-bit system...
[11:02] <abattoir> brb
[11:16] <Hobbsee> gotta love keyboard input randomly stopping working...
[11:16] <OdyX> Hobbsee: X problem ?
[11:16] <Hobbsee> OdyX: dunno.  and you were right, btw
[11:16] <OdyX> Hobbsee: I do get something like that sometimes...
[11:17] <OdyX> "right" - about ?
[11:17] <Hobbsee> your email?
[11:18] <abattoir> ugh, amaroK is almost 20MB now? 
[12:01] <Hobbsee> okay...repeat after me..."i will not play with ndiswrapper"
[12:01] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:02] <abattoir> Hobbsee: does it have a tune? ;) 
[12:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:03] <OdyX> Hobbsee: did not understand what you did...
[12:03] <Hobbsee> OdyX: hmm?  with the bug closing?
[12:04] <OdyX> No.... asking for my mail.. 
[12:04] <OdyX> :-?
[12:05] <Hobbsee> OdyX: it was you who emailed me earlier, or i've confused my IRC names with launchpad ones?
[12:05] <OdyX> seems...
[12:05] <OdyX> I did not e-mail you...
[12:05] <OdyX> well... I don't have enough things to say you.. :-P
[12:07] <Hobbsee> oh, okay then...
[12:10] <raphink> hmpf... love stories
[12:13] <Hobbsee> raphink: hmm?
[12:14] <raphink> [12:03]  <OdyX> Hobbsee: did not understand what you did...
[12:14] <raphink> [12:04]  <OdyX> No.... asking for my mail..
[12:14] <raphink> [12:04]  <OdyX> :-?
[12:14] <raphink> [12:05]  <OdyX> seems...
[12:14] <raphink> [12:05]  <OdyX> I did not e-mail you...
[12:14] <raphink> [12:05]  <OdyX> well... I don't have enough things to say you.. :-P
[12:14] <raphink> you could keep your love talks in private :)
[12:15] <raphink> ;)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> raphink: grrr.  i've had enough of that today already, thanks!
[12:15] <raphink> oh :(
[12:16] <raphink> what's wrong Hobbsee?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> nothing major.
[12:16] <raphink> ok
[12:18] <Hobbsee> raphink: had my chem lecturer saying (again) that i was in love with the guy i was working with...grrr....
[12:18] <raphink> :(
[12:21] <Hobbsee> actually, no, the fact of the matter is that the three of us *like* working together, and it gets done quicker, so we dont want to split, thanks :P
[12:22] <raphink> sure that's good :)
[12:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:26] <Hobbsee> raphink: i'm sorry..
[12:27] <raphink> Hobbsee: what for?
[12:27] <Hobbsee> raphink: how i reacted above
[12:27] <raphink> oh it's ok :)
[12:27] <raphink> my fault 
[12:28] <raphink> anyway
[12:28] <raphink> going to visit an apartment in a few minutes
[12:28] <Hobbsee> have fun :)
[12:29] <raphink> thanks
[12:53] <freeflying> Hobbsee: around?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> freeflying: yes
[12:53] <freeflying> Hobbsee: would you like test knode for me, I've patched it for CJK support
[12:54] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I wanna know if it can work with non-cjklocales
[12:54] <Hobbsee> um...doesnt that install lots of stuff all over the system?
[12:54] <freeflying> Hobbsee: needn't just knode 
[12:55] <Hobbsee> OdyX: you're right...
[12:58] <Hobbsee> yay!
[12:58] <freeflying> cool, kubuntu's shipit
[12:59] <Hobbsee> freeflying: can i say no?  im really phased out here, not up to testing much :P
[12:59] <freeflying> Hobbsee: okey,heh
[01:02] <freeflying> Riddell: no ppc edition?
[01:03] <Riddell> freeflying: seems not
[01:04] <freeflying> Riddell: any pictures of the CD cover?
[01:04] <Riddell> I don't think that's final yet
[01:05] <Riddell> I don't have the artwork
[01:05] <Riddell> it's a big gear image last I saw it
[01:06] <Hobbsee> kwwii: nice job with the usplash, btw...looks much better!
[01:06] <OdyX> Well... the usplash has some "halo"
[01:06] <OdyX> background not totally black
[01:07] <Hobbsee> yes, so i noticed...
[01:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: which one?
[01:07] <OdyX> But... don't understand...
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the usplash?  the one that just came out...
[01:07] <OdyX> We change kdm splash from white to blue and usplash from blue to white...
[01:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:08] <OdyX> Well. Not bad, but curious
[01:10] <abattoir> the moodbar problem doesnt occur w/ i386.... but the combobox for the various 'make moodier' themes is disabled... weird 
[01:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that usplash isn't by kwwii, it's a random usplash that someone uploaded and I'm about to revert
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh.  pity, it looks quite nice..
[01:14] <Hobbsee> except for the extra blue square bit...
[01:15] <OdyX> Riddell: is this possible ?
[01:15] <OdyX> I mean.. somebody randomly uploading things to main ?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> OdyX: sure.  the right people.  in fact, it shoudl be fairly easy to see who did it...
[01:16] <OdyX> and send Ubuntu Armed Forces at home.
[01:18] <Riddell> OdyX: yes, anyone with main uploads can upload anything to main
[01:18] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. Sill bad to do without "owner" permissions
[01:19] <OdyX> so Armed Forces is good solution, huh ?
[01:19] <OdyX> ;-P
[01:29] <freeflying> Riddell: can the shipit site be localised?
[01:31] <Riddell> freeflying: it's part of launchpad, I suspect it can't
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: printing works :)
[01:43] <Riddell> woo!
[01:43] <jjesse> cheer :)
[01:43] <MidMark> hi,
[01:43] <MidMark> Riddell ping, I've some others ubiquity bug, can I tkae you 10 mins?
[01:43] <freeflying> Hobbsee: great news  :)
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: this is to my network printer, on an IP address
[01:44] <Riddell> MidMark: go ahead
[01:46] <MidMark> ok, installer crashes after copying all files at step 7 with in return_to_autopartitioning nextText = get_string("continue", lang) + " >" NameError: global name 'lang' is not defined
[01:46] <MidMark> fill a bug?
[01:47] <MidMark> this with daily cd-18/5
[01:47] <Riddell> hmm, it seems to have started calling return_to_autopartitioning randomly
[01:47] <Riddell> s/lang/self.lang/  silly me
[01:48] <MidMark> this bug occurs after trying to access to internet to update but without network it stops with an error, then crashes
[01:50] <Riddell> anything else?
[01:50] <MidMark> another bug in my opinion is: when with manual partitioning I have to choose the mount points
[01:51] <Riddell> that's kind of the meaning of manual :)
[01:51] <MidMark> no sorry
[01:51] <MidMark> wait I have wrong, no bug
[01:52] <MidMark> this one -> I have partitioned the second hdd with ext3
[01:52] <MidMark> but after done it in the summary it say unknow filesystem
[01:52] <MidMark> don't know why
[01:53] <Riddell> sounds like qtparted being unhelpful
[01:53] <MidMark> third possible bug is:
[01:54] <MidMark> I had a fat32 hdd with 1 gb of data, I have erased all partitions and make 3 partitions, after done that and applied all, ubiquity still say the occupation of 1 GB
[01:54] <MidMark> is it correct?
[01:56] <Riddell> shouldn't happen
[01:57] <MidMark> ok, I have to fill 3 bugs for these?
[01:58] <Riddell> please do
[01:59] <MidMark> ok!
[02:02] <kwwii> which splash is being used?
[02:02] <raphink> hi Riddell && kwwii
[02:03] <kwwii> hi raphink
[02:03] <raphink> :)
[02:03] <abattoir> Riddell: one more thing i noticed in Ubiquity... initially(during partitioning) it says only 1.5G is needed for the root partition... but later it doesnt work, asks for more...nothing big... just noticed :) 
[02:04] <Hobbsee> hi raphink 
[02:04] <raphink> Hobbsee: lol
[02:05] <MidMark> Bug #45396
[02:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45396 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashes after copied all files to hdd" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45396
[02:10] <Riddell> abattoir: should be fixed, it didnt' take into account /boot and other directories
[02:11] <MidMark> Bug #45397
[02:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45397 in ubiquity "after set a partition to ext3 in the summary it says Unknown fs" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45397
[02:11] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, thanks :) 
[02:14] <MidMark> #45398
[02:14] <MidMark> bug #45398
[02:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45398 in ubiquity "with a non-empty fat32 hard disk, after delete the partition it still says that it's non-empty" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45398
[02:15] <MidMark> Done!
[02:22] <jjesse> does done mean fixed?
[02:23] <jjesse> Riddell: have you gone over the release notes lately are they up to speed?
[02:23] <Riddell> I havn't
[02:23] <MidMark> Done means for me reported :)
[02:23] <Riddell> does it still call ubiquity espresso?
[02:23] <jjesse> i'll check
[02:25] <jjesse> release notes in both build and trunk call it ubquity
[02:27] <Riddell> groovy
[03:03] <Riddell> kwwii: your splash is being used
[03:03] <kwwii> whey
[03:03] <kwwii> whew
[03:04] <kwwii> not that we start a big discussion and want to vote on it :-)
[03:05] <Riddell> kwwii: are you going to do the example content package today?  uploads are restricted after today
[03:06] <Hobbsee> kwwii: hehe, lets vote anyway, where we dont have quorum :P
[03:06] <Hobbsee> under the idea of "practice voting" - to see if we can all agree on somethign :P
[03:06] <kwwii> hehe
[03:07] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, I guess I could do that...been working like crazy on the ubuntu usplash stuff
[03:07] <Hobbsee> kwwii: congratulations!
[03:07] <kwwii> 20-30 emails a day will do that
[03:08] <Riddell> kwwii: I don't know what happening with the ubuntu usplash, I was talking about the kubuntu one
[03:08] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, that is why I got scared
[03:08] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/DapperPropositions
[03:09] <kwwii> they are having a major discussion on the mailing list as well
[03:10] <kwwii> Riddell: I should just add the two or three files that I have to the existing package?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> oh my goodness....
[03:10] <Hobbsee> kwwii: just think about how people would whine if *this* was the new splash... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/YetAnotherUsplashArtworkProposal?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=usplash-2.jpg
[03:10] <kwwii> well, one of them is an update on an existing file, but you get my point
[03:10] <kwwii> lol
[03:11] <Riddell> kwwii: yes, and make sure they get installed
[03:11] <kwwii> I like the baby blue kubuntu ones :-)
[03:11] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, I'll probably have one two questions...will you be around later?
[03:12] <kwwii> hehe, stupid question, you are always around
[03:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:14] <Hobbsee> he lives here :P
[03:14] <Riddell> kwwii: yep
[03:14] <kwwii> cool
[03:15] <kwwii> be back in a bit
[03:18] <jjesse> that sounds like something fun to do 
[03:19] <kwwii> oh, that his him that I hear screaming
[03:19] <kwwii> Riddell: what's up with the music in example-content?
[03:20] <kwwii> Riddell: why is it there? is it some kind of official ubuntu music?
[03:20] <Riddell> kwwii: no idea, I remember heno talking about a south african band he wanted in
[03:21] <Hobbsee> heh, nasty...so he is rebuilding it all now...
[03:29] <kwwii> one more quesiton before I leave....
[03:30] <kwwii> I reinstalled (my third kubuntu install!) 
[03:30] <kwwii> now how do I get a development environement up without doing it package per package again?
[03:30] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:30] <Riddell> sudo apt-get build-dep kdelibs-dev kdebase-dev
[03:30] <kwwii> killer, thanks
[03:31] <kwwii> will taht install pbuilder as well?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> not that i recall
[03:31] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i think you have to do it separately
[03:31] <kwwii> Hobbsee: cool, thanks
[03:32] <Hobbsee> kwwii: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto  if you havent already seen it
[03:32] <Hobbsee> seeing as you have to configure it :P
[03:32] <kwwii> yeah, I did that once before :-)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ah yes - i keep my config files now - works far better...
[03:33] <kwwii> every time I voyage into the internals of a debian system I get a little scared :-)
[03:33] <kwwii> hehe, good idea
[03:33] <kwwii> I should have kept my home as well :-)
[03:34] <kwwii> Riddell: erm, apt-get says it cannot find source packages for kdelibs-dev, is that normal?
[03:35] <Riddell> kwwii: you need the deb-src lines uncommented in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:35] <Riddell> kwwii: did you use ubiquity to install?
[03:35] <kwwii> gotcha
[03:35] <Hobbsee> kwwii: no, that's not normal, and no, it shouldnt be happening...
[03:35] <kwwii> Riddell: yes
[03:35] <Riddell> kwwii: excellent
[03:38] <kwwii> holy shit
[03:39] <kwwii> I have everything in sources.list uncommented except the "Major bug fix updates produced after the final release..."
[03:39] <kwwii> should I uncomment that as well?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you reproduce that?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> kwwii: no
[03:39] <kwwii> dude, installing without a network is the biggest mistake I ever made
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:41] <Riddell> kwwii: sudo apt-get update ?
[03:41] <kwwii> yeah, I'll try that
[03:41] <Riddell> ah, my fault, kdelibs4-dev not kdelibs-dev
[03:42] <kwwii> hrm, it wants to install like every dev package known to man
[03:42] <kwwii> 130 of them
[03:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:43] <Hobbsee> yeah, rather like that :P
[03:43] <Riddell> kdelibs has a lot of build dependencies
[03:43] <Hobbsee> why do you need it, anyway?
[03:44] <kwwii> I just want to learn how to build a deb :-)
[03:44] <kwwii> I was getting soft working for suse...they make it too easy
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:44] <Hobbsee> seen the ubuntu packaging guide?
[03:45] <kwwii> well, after erasing my home dir I lost all my bookmarks, so not for a while :-)
[03:45] <kwwii> url?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> you're kidding...why'd you do that??
[03:45] <kwwii> I reinstalled without thinking
[03:46] <kwwii> made a backup of my files, but not any .* dirs
[03:46] <Hobbsee> kwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources and http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ouch....
[03:47] <kwwii> next time I partition my mac, I will make a /home
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hehe...
[03:47] <kwwii> Hobbsee: thanks :-)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> kwwii: not a problem
[03:48] <Hobbsee> kwwii: if there are problems with the second guide, poke laser_jock, in -motu, who wrote the thing...
[03:48] <kwwii> :-)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> in fact, poke him with a flaming torch and a pitchfork to tell him he did a good job with it :P
[03:53] <kwwii> I'll do that if I am not banging my head against the wall in a couple of hours
[03:53] <Hobbsee> kwwii: no need for that :P  ask for help either here, or in -motu
[03:53] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu-motu 's probably better, as there are more people
[03:53] <kwwii> oh, I will...don't worry :-)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:54] <Hobbsee> and then you can explain it all to me :P
[03:55] <Hobbsee> what are we discussing in our monday meeting, btw?
[03:56] <kwwii> meeting on monday?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yep, see topic
[03:57] <Hobbsee> *adds to meeting agenda*
[03:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well we can find some people for membership
[03:57] <Hobbsee> i'd better make sure i'm actually there, or that one :P
[03:57] <Riddell> lure maybe
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good point, but is our council official yet?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> toma, too, if he's not a member...
[03:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I've been meaning to send out a post to the mailing list for a while, hopefully I really will do that today
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:58] <Hobbsee> right.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you know anything about this?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knoda/+bug/44787
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44787 in knoda "knoda package should recommend some database backends" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[04:02] <Riddell> distro meeting now by the way
[04:02] <Hobbsee> not being a user of knoda myself
[04:02] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[04:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: seems sensible that it should, but it's not too important, you could be using a remote database
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  hence it would say recommends, instead of depends, then...
[04:07] <Riddell> Suggests probably
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gotcha
[04:11] <Riddell> but it may  not be worth changing it in ubuntu, it should be done in debian
[04:11] <jjesse> hmm just updated my system and konverstation froze after the update was complete and konqureor crashed
[04:11] <jjesse> then i couldn't type any text on konverstation
[04:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: it what?  could you type any text at all?
[04:12] <jjesse> no text at all and wasn't seeing new messages
[04:12] <jjesse> though i could change tabs
[04:13] <kwwii> so it looks like I cannot add an svg to example-content as all the files types have matching dependencies for apps...the last changelog entry removes those that were previously included
[04:15] <kwwii> so that means, I am really only adding one file
[04:15] <jjesse> Riddell: will there be any major changes that would force me to re do any screenshots for the Kubuntu Chapter in the book?
[04:15] <Riddell> jjesse: the ordering of some system settings modules has changed
[04:16] <Riddell> kdm login screen isn't stripy any more
[04:16] <Riddell> I don't know if kwwii is going to come up with funky artwork for ubiquity
[04:17] <Hobbsee> i like the new kdm login screen - it actually looks nice, rather than making me wince :P
[04:17] <jjesse> kwwii: can you keep me updated if you change anything for ubquity?
[04:17] <kwwii> Riddell: not sure if we still have time for that...making a better title graphic would be easy, I guess
[04:17] <kwwii> jjesse: definitely
[04:17] <jjesse> ok will have to redo the login screen i think
[04:18] <kwwii> yeah, I need to update it for the package as well
[04:18] <kwwii> we need a new screenshot for the kdm theme chooser stuff I guess
[04:19] <Riddell> kwwii: I was too lazy
[04:19] <Riddell> feel free to do that once you've mastered .deb packaging :)
[04:21] <kwwii> hehe :-)
[04:21] <kwwii> I knew this would end up bad
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:22] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yes, you get sucked into doing packaging, until you know it all :P
[04:22] <kwwii> lol
[04:23] <kwwii> or until I screw something up so bad that people think it is better if I make pretty pictures
[04:23] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:23] <Hobbsee> dont worry, we all do it :P
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: my patch for kmix was shocking - kill it off :P
[04:24] <Hobbsee> i fubar'd my system while testing it :P
[04:24] <Hobbsee> (and yes, i did test before i sent it)
[04:29] <bddebian> Hello
[04:31] <Riddell> hi bddebian 
[04:33] <bddebian> Hi Riddell
[04:53] <jjesse> Riddell: had the wrong address for kubuntu shipit in the release notes, just changed it and commited it
[04:54] <Riddell> jjesse: well spotted, thanks
[04:59] <kwwii> why do I have icons for my harddrives in system:/media/ when I cannot mount them?
[05:01] <kgoetz> #include rant.h
[05:01] <kwwii> and why can't I mount them per hand?
[05:01] <kgoetz> because it's showing everythign in /mdedia, which now includes partitions, for some ungodly reason
[05:01] <kgoetz> said ungodly reason is the LSB i discovered recently
[05:01] <kwwii> hehe
[05:02] <kwwii> well, it looks nice, they are all there
[05:02] <kwwii> but I cannot mount any of them
[05:02] <kgoetz> no, they are mounted into the fstab as root mount/unmount only
[05:03] <kwwii> I cannot even do it as root on the comman line
[05:03] <kwwii> and these partitions are not in /media
[05:04] <kwwii> funky....it worked before my reinstall
[05:04] <kgoetz> then you have stumped me (i don't use KDE, i'm gong from memory)
[05:04] <kwwii> :-)
[05:04] <kgoetz> :)
[05:06] <kwwii> now I get it
[05:06] <kwwii> hfs support appears to be broken
[05:07] <kgoetz> ah, a mac user?
[05:08] <kwwii> yepp, got 5 of 'em now :-)
[05:08] <kgoetz> :)
[05:08] <kwwii> 5 computers that don't work quite so well in linux
[05:08] <kwwii> money well spent
[05:08] <kgoetz> i have 2 ol imacs that don't boot ubuntu install cds, so i'm returning them to my mate soon
[05:09] <kwwii> amazingly I found a person who wants to buy two of my old macs
[05:09] <kgoetz> old macs are novel. middle age macs suck :)
[05:09] <kwwii> they have hardware based video editing systems and their computers broke and they cannot buy such anymore
[05:09] <kwwii> killer
[05:10] <kgoetz> kwwii: the macs as old as i am (give or take a few motnhs)
[05:10] <kwwii> we used a mac IIe as our print server at my engineering office for years (with a big ole nasty scsi drive)
[05:10] <kwwii> lol
[05:10] <kwwii> god I feel old
[05:10] <kgoetz>  lol
[05:11] <kwwii> ok...gotta copy my gpg stuff to finish my first package...bbl
[05:11] <kgoetz> yep. 
[05:11] <Riddell> kwwii: you don't need to sign it unless you're uploading to revu or the ubuntu archive
[05:11] <Riddell> and you can't upload to the ubuntu archive
[05:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we should get kwwii to apply for membership at our meeting
[05:12] <Riddell> then he can't escape :)
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ooh, yes :D
[05:12] <kwwii> Riddell: well, this has to be the easiest package to build ever
[05:12] <kgoetz> lol
[05:12] <kwwii> copy the file to the right place, call a command line tool and it is done, I guess
[05:12] <kwwii> hehe
[05:13] <kwwii> ok, now I really have to leave...be back later
[05:54] <Hobbsee> night all...
[06:21] <kwwii> before I start...does dpkg-buildpackage take care of the changelog entry as well?
[06:22] <kwwii> plenty of time to figure this out, I am setting up pbuilder now
[06:22] <kwwii> :-)
[06:22] <bddebian> kwwii: No, you want to use dch -i for adding a changelog entry
[06:23] <kwwii> bddebian: you don't happen to know which package dch is in?
[06:24] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[06:24] <kwwii> dchroot, I guess
[06:24] <kwwii> hi Tonio_
[06:24] <kwwii> I am doing your job again
[06:24] <kwwii> ;-)
[06:24] <Tonio_> kwwii: gimme more details ;)
[06:24] <bddebian> kwwii: devscripts I believe
[06:24] <Tonio_> hi bddebian
[06:26] <kwwii> yeah, I missed installing devscripts and debhelper
[06:53] <kwwii> so, does one *have* to set up a chroot env. to build debs?
[06:54] <Riddell> nope
[06:58] <kwwii> so what is this trying to tell me:
[06:58] <kwwii> make: *** [testroot]  Error 1
[06:58] <Riddell> ah, you need fakeroot
[06:58] <Riddell> install fakeroot
[06:58] <kwwii> ahhhhh
[06:58] <Riddell> and use debuild not dpkg-buildpackage
[06:59] <Riddell> debuild calls dpkg-buildpackage but uses fakeroot and has some other checks
[06:59] <kwwii> cool, thanks
[07:00] <kwwii> hrm, debuild complains about not being able to sign the package
[07:01] <Riddell> that's good, it means it's finished compiling successfully :)
[07:01] <Riddell> you may need gpg installed, or it maybe can't find your key for the e-mail address you put in debian/changelog
[07:02] <Riddell> but you only need to sign it if you're uploading to ubuntu or revu, which you aren't 
[07:03] <kwwii> cool
[07:03] <Riddell> do lesspipe on the .deb to make sure it actually has the files you added
[07:04] <kwwii> yepp, both new files are there
[07:05] <kwwii> why did it name it *_all.deb ?
[07:06] <kwwii> ie. why did it add _all to the end of the name?
[07:09] <toma> kwwii: that is probably how you named it in the debian/changelog, first line, between the ()
[07:09] <Riddell> kwwii: _all is alternative to _i386 or _powerpc etc, it means it's not platform specific
[07:09] <toma> o ok
[07:09] <kwwii> ahhh-ha
[07:09] <kwwii> I think dch added that 
[07:10] <Riddell> it'll have 'all' in the entry in debian/control, 'any' means it gives you i386 or powerpc etc
[07:11] <kwwii> so now I run pbuilder on the dsc file ?
[07:12] <Riddell> only if you want to check that it really builds fine on a clean machine
[07:13] <Riddell> but you've not added any build-deps so there's no reason why it shouldn't
[07:13] <Riddell> now you upload to a web server somewhere and get me or someone to review and upload
[07:16] <kwwii> cool
[07:16] <kwwii> just the deb, or the .dsc as well?
[07:17] <kwwii> erm, tar.gz as well, I guess?
[07:19] <Riddell> .deb, .dsc and .tar.gz
[07:20] <Riddell> .deb is least important actually, the source is what's needed
[07:20] <kwwii> yeah, guess I knew that
[07:20] <kwwii> but this whole system couldn't get much more different than suse
[07:21] <Riddell>  /usr/src/rpm always seems weird to me
[07:22] <kwwii> :-)
[07:26] <kwwii> Riddell: once they are up on my server I'll send you a mail with the urls
[07:27] <kwwii> my 8 year old could have built that package :-)
[07:31] <Riddell> yay, icecream got approved
[07:31] <bddebian> w00t :-)
[07:32] <kwwii> that is good news
[07:32] <kwwii> at least it is something that I have done before :-)
[07:36] <jjesse_lunch> what is icecream?
[07:36] <bddebian> A yummy frozen dessert made with cream? :-)
[07:37] <jjesse> mmmm
[07:43] <kwwii> actually the flavor is secondary to the cross-compiler
[07:44] <bddebian> :-)
[07:45] <bddebian> Oh, new startup screen is nice :-)
[07:46] <kwwii> cool :-)
[07:48] <Riddell> jjesse: a cluster compiler like teambuilder or distcc
[07:48] <jjesse> oh, i was hoping for chocalate chip cookie dough ice cream :(
[07:52] <bddebian> heh
[07:52] <cmvo> kwwii: Hi! I like the new blue backgrounds for KDM and the desktop splash, much more KDE-ish :-)
[07:53] <jjesse> i like the deeper blue
[07:54] <cmvo> kwwii: Here the boot splash looks more purple than blue. Is that intended?
[07:59] <kwwii> cmvo: I would guess your monitor is broken
[07:59] <kwwii> :-)
[07:59] <kwwii> glad to hear you like the other stuff though!
[07:59] <jjesse> i thought there were edges that were purplish
[07:59] <kwwii> :P
[07:59] <kwwii> well, they are using colors from the logo
[07:59] <kwwii> so yes, it is a bit purpleish
[07:59] <kwwii> but all in all the logo is not purple
[08:00] <cmvo> kwwii: Hm, the monitor has its flaws, but all in all the colors looks ok.
[08:01] <cmvo> kwwii: s/looks/look/
[08:02] <cmvo> kwwii: I think its a step backwards, but maybe it needs some more reboots for me to get used to it :-)
[08:07] <kwwii> cmvo: a step backwards from what?
[08:07] <kwwii> from the breezy stuff?
[08:07] <kwwii> I mean, honestly, I know that a lot of the developers liked the breezy stuff but it was a design that was rejected from kde for being too poor quality
[08:11] <jjesse> i like it
[08:11] <cmvo> kwwii: No, not breezy, just the more blueish dapper splashes.
[08:12] <kwwii> hrm, it uses the same colors as the other stuff I made, I promise :-)
[08:12] <kwwii> it might look more purplish because it is on a black bg
[08:16] <cmvo> kwwii: The bubbles background is perfect, I like more with every version.
[08:16] <kwwii> cool :-)
[08:19] <cmvo> kwwii: I'll get used to the new boot splash, but I still think it it too purple-ish for a uniform look. But you don't have to listen to me, I'm just an interested bystander :-)
[08:19] <cmvo> kwwii: cu around
[08:21] <bddebian> kwwii: TMI :)
[08:26] <cmvo> bddebian: Hi! You asked about the font selection bug #23352 via email a few days ago, as it turns out its more a fontconfig oddity. So I've closed the bug.
[08:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23352 in kdebase "Incorrect Fixed [misc]  font selected in sizes 13 and 18" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/23352
[08:29] <bddebian> cmvo: Got that, thank you!
[08:31] <cmvo> bddebian: You're welcome :-)
[08:31] <bddebian> imbrandon: Pulling your kvirc now
[08:52] <jjesse> hmm ever since this morning when i updated my system, konqueror stops responding and i miss kill kde to get my system back
[09:23] <robotgeek> problems with amarok 1.4?
[09:23] <robotgeek> it doesn't launch, complains about error
[09:24] <crimsun> I'm using it right now without errors
[09:24] <crimsun> I did have to wait while it rebuilt the sqlite db from 1.4 beta 3
[09:27] <robotgeek> hmm, yeah. it works now
[09:28] <robotgeek> nice. i did not have too many songs in the collection anyways
[09:29] <crimsun> amarok 1.4 is darned nice
[09:30] <robotgeek> i'm trying to find out what's new :)
[09:43] <crimsun> I confess I don't spend enough time (re)booting to notice new shiny splashes
[09:43] <crimsun> ...or are you referring to amarok's splash?
[09:56] <yuriy> crimsun: he probably is, the new amarok splash is pretty sweet
[10:11] <Sime> Riddell: I just committed a fix to KDE's SVN for bug #45130.
[10:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45130 in kde-systemsettings "[Esc]  "kills" the modules" [Normal,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45130
[10:12] <Riddell> Sime: I'll try and get that uploaded tonight before the archive gets frozen
[10:12] <Sime> Riddell: when will the archive freeze?
[10:12] <Sime> Riddell: exactly?
[10:13] <Riddell> don't know an exact time but I believe anything after today will need the diff approved
[10:19] <Sime> Riddell: there is also a small but important bug fix for guidance in combination with french/german.
[10:20] <Riddell> small but important means it'll be easy to have reviewed, there won't be a problem
[10:33] <jjesse> are there still a lot of bugs that are causing major show stopping issues?
[11:12] <kwwii> Riddell, jjesse, I made a faked screen for the preview pic (like the one we already had)
[11:13] <pygi> hey kwwii, how are you? :)
[11:13] <kwwii> pygi: doing well, and yourself?
[11:14] <kwwii> although my favorite basketball team lost tonight
[11:14] <pygi> argh, that's bad :P 
[11:14] <pygi> Very good today, thanks for asking :)
[11:15] <kwwii> good to hear :-)
[11:17] <kwwii> Riddell: if I knew in which package it comes from I could replace it
[11:22] <Riddell> kwwii: kubuntu-default-settings
[11:22] <Riddell> kwwii: you can do  dpkg -S /usr/share/foo to find which package a file comes from
[11:23] <kwwii> cool, thanks for the tip
[11:30] <pygi> Riddell, poke
[11:31] <pygi> Amarok 1.4.0a was released
[11:31] <pygi> It fixes database/playlists upgrades
[11:31] <DaSkreech> When does it hit repos?
[11:32] <Riddell> pygi: yeah I know :(
[11:33] <Riddell> spose I'll stay up until two in the morning compiling it.  again
[11:34] <pygi> Riddell, sorry about that :(
[11:34] <Riddell> not you fault
[11:34] <Riddell> ... I assume
[11:34] <kwwii> this debuild tool is pretty cool
[11:34] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:35] <Riddell> debuild misses an option to install all the build-deps it complains about
[11:35] <DaSkreech> I wonder if anyone has told the katpult people they ahve been hacked
[11:35] <Riddell> DaSkreech: hmm?
[11:35] <DaSkreech> The katapult wiki has been hacked
[11:35] <Riddell> oh, wiki's do that
[11:35] <DaSkreech> Well
[11:36] <DaSkreech>  It's no longer a wiki
[11:36] <DaSkreech> That's been removed
[11:36] <DaSkreech> it's someone else's site now
[11:36] <Riddell> URL?
[11:37] <Riddell> kwwii: http://bootsplash.org/example-content_11_all.tar.gz not found
[11:38] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, I screwed up...remove the _all from that file name
[11:38] <kwwii> at least I only screwed up my mail to you though :-)
[11:39] <Riddell> groovy
[11:39] <kwwii> while you are at it, you can grab the new kubuntu-default-settings too
[11:39] <Riddell> certainly can
[11:39] <Riddell> URL?
[11:40] <kwwii> should I send a mail or tell you now?
[11:40] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-default-settings_6.06-20
[11:40] <Riddell> I'm more responsive to IRC than to e-mail
[11:41] <Riddell> http://wiki.thekatapult.org.uk/index.html oh dear oh dear
[11:41] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-default-settings_6.06-20.dsc
[11:41] <Riddell> even has its own realplayer audio clip
[11:41] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-default-settings_6.06-20.tar.gz
[11:41] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-default-settings_6.06-20_all.deb
[11:41] <DaSkreech> http://wiki.thekatapult.org.uk/index.html
[11:42] <DaSkreech> Sorry got distracted
[11:42] <Riddell> kwwii: you're ment to actually add some text in your changelog entry :)
[11:42] <kwwii> dude, I did...what more should I say?
[11:42] <toma> why on earth would someone hack a wiki ??? you can simply edit the site anyways....
[11:42] <kwwii> they did it twice to the opensuse site so far
[11:43] <kwwii> Riddell: the entries were not totally empty, or?
[11:43] <Riddell> kwwii: in example-content it's empty
[11:43] <kwwii> I did put a few words :-(
[11:43] <kwwii> then I probably made a mistake somewhere
[11:43] <kwwii> this is the first time I used nano
[11:44] <bddebian> Later folks
[11:44] <kwwii> night bddebian
[11:44] <DaSkreech> night
[11:44] <DaSkreech> Anyone know an e-mail address for the good folks at Katapult?
[11:44] <DaSkreech> Or should I ask in #kde?
[11:45] <Riddell> DaSkreech: martin meredith runs the site
[11:45] <Riddell> you can probably find his e-mail on launchpda
[11:45] <Riddell> pad
[11:45] <Riddell> kwwii: is png the best format for kubuntu leaflet?
[11:45] <kwwii> Riddell: I think I made a mistake with the example-content because it put the changes in the wrong place
[11:45] <kwwii> Riddell: no, but including the svg was no longer possible
[11:46] <kwwii> there is a script in there that will render it to png anyway
[11:46] <Riddell> fair enough then
[11:47] <Riddell> kwwii: got a preferred licence on those files?
[11:48] <kwwii> totally free, as far as I am concernded
[11:48] <Riddell> debian/copyright is horribly out of date on example-content but we may as well keep our side up to date
[11:48] <kwwii> :-)
[11:49] <kwwii> Riddell: I think I forgot to call dch -i the first time, and therefor my entry ended up below where it should have been
[11:49] <kwwii> in example-content/debian/changelog I added the 8th line but it should have been at line 3
[11:51] <DaSkreech> ok
[11:52] <kwwii> Riddell: teh changelog from kubuntu-default-settings should be correct, let me know if not...it means I made some other mistake
[11:52] <Riddell> yeah, I see it
[11:53] <kwwii> erm, I guess I should be using the email address from my launchpad account, or?
[11:53] <Riddell> only difference is that if you do you'll get e-mails when the package gets uploaded
[11:53] <Riddell> you can add more than 1 e-mail to your launchpad account
[11:54] <kwwii> well, right now it is wimer at kde dot org
[11:54] <kwwii> and I think that is probably not so good when working with gnome artists
[11:54] <Riddell> too late, uploaded :)
[11:54] <kwwii> hehe
[11:55] <kwwii> so from now on, if I want to submit a pic, I'll try to build the package first and then ask for help afterwards :-)
[11:55] <DaSkreech> Why would Gnome artists care?
[11:56] <kwwii> DaSkreech: no idea, but the ubuntu-artist community is a very interesting mixture of strange and hard to deal with people
[11:56] <Riddell> kwwii: a bit like the kde artists then :)
[11:57] <kwwii> Riddell: exactly!
[11:57] <DaSkreech> Where did that come form?
[11:57] <DaSkreech> I keep asking who donted it 
[11:57] <kwwii> theobroma still will not talk to me
[11:57] <DaSkreech> The band is pretty good
[11:57] <DaSkreech> donated
[11:57] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I remember heno talking about a south african band he was going to include
[11:58] <Riddell> dput needs a % indicator
[12:01] <kwwii> ?
[12:02] <Riddell> kwwii: dput is used to upload the packages
[12:03] <Riddell> a large package like example content takes a while to upload on my adsl
[12:03] <kwwii> yeah, it took a while for me to load it to my server too