[12:04] <ach> Taya: you mean xserver is working but sometimes you get those msg on your desktop?
[12:04] <bilford> oh yeah
[12:04] <Taya> yes
[12:04] <bilford> wasp_ems:  open smb4k
[12:04] <bilford> Go to Shares tab
[12:05] <bilford> Thats where you set the folder
[12:05] <ach> Taya: what happens when you switch to external monitor.  Do you get similar msgs?
[12:05] <Taya> i don't have external monitor..
[12:05] <bilford> you there?
[12:06] <ach> Taya: press the button nevertheless ;)
[12:06] <Taya> which button?
[12:07] <ach> Taya: to switch to external monitor.
[12:07] <Taya> nothing happens
[12:07] <ach> Taya: shit.  Then no more ideas :(
[12:07] <wasp_ems> ok can i remove conqueror and use another explorer for everything?
[12:08] <Taya> i have seen it on other laptops too
[12:08] <Taya> and on other LCD monitor too
[12:08] <Taya> desktop
[12:08] <ach> Taya:  mhmm, reading your problem
[12:09] <Taya> and that desktop doesn't have any other monitor plug ..
[12:09] <ach> Taya: where does it appear?  Next to systray?
[12:11] <Taya> no in the center
[12:12] <Taya> it's like when you make sound up/down, just some window, with alert, on whick you can't press, it appears for 1 sec
[12:13] <ach> Taya: I remember no OSD msg about LCDs (and all desktop here have LCDs too)
[12:14] <johnzulim> I installed Ubuntu Dapper and when trying to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop it failed and is requiring me to run dpkg --configure -a' in order to fix the problem, but when doing so it says 'unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system.'
[12:14] <johnzulim> Has anyone run into this?
[12:14] <ach> Taya: write exact msg down and google.  Sorry, no better idea
[12:15] <Taya> :(
[12:15] <tentacle> When are you going to relase stabile Dapper ver.? Cause i am thinking about switching to it, but i am not sure is that good.
[12:15] <Taya> can't se exact message. it dissapers so quick..
[12:15] <johnzulim> Anyone?
[12:17] <bilford> in KRename, how do you only replace the first occurrence of a string
[12:18] <bilford> using regular  expressions
[12:19] <Taya> a-ha
[12:19] <Taya> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-bugs-dist&m=113874769231270&w=2
[12:19] <johnzulim> I installed Ubuntu Dapper and when trying to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop it failed and is requiring me to run dpkg --configure -a' in order to fix the problem, but when doing so it says 'unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system.'
[12:20] <bilford> did you do  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:21] <ach> Taya: still happens with dapper?  Then better file a bug in lauchpad
[12:22] <Taya> uhh, again?
[12:22] <ach> Taya: you/someone else reported it already?
[12:22] <johnzulim> I tried sudo apt-get and I sudo -s to root and tried to run the command it recommends in order to fix dpkg
[12:23] <bilford> can you do a fresh install of Kubuntu
[12:23] <johnzulim> Yes.
[12:23] <bilford> thats usually best
[12:23] <johnzulim> Oh sorry.. no. I only have Ubuntu.
[12:23] <bilford> cant you do it in Synaptic
[12:24] <Taya> no
[12:24] <Taya> i mean today i reported already a bug..
[12:24] <Taya> ;)
[12:25] <ach> Taya: get used to it :)
[12:25] <johnzulim> Never used Synaptic
[12:25] <Taya> arch: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2006/03/msg00188.html
[12:25] <Taya> i see kmilo is running, but i can't kill it, and  it's not in my services..
[12:25] <Taya> what's this kmilo?
[12:26] <ach> Taya: laptop special keys support for KDE
[12:26] <Taya> aha, and if i disable it, what will not work?
[12:26] <Taya> i mean anymore
[12:26] <ach> aptitude search kmilo (or adept) are your friends for such question ;)
[12:27] <ach> Taya: Maybe some laptops buttons
[12:27] <Taya> that's bad...
[12:27] <Taya> i like synaptic much better ;)
[12:28] <tentacle> Do you think that installing Dapper now (upgradeing) is a good decision?
[12:29] <Taya> Usually this includes volume keys and other features. i don't want my volume buttons not to work anymore..
[12:29] <jjesse> tentacle: on my laptop i'm not having any problems with it
[12:29] <jjesse> beta 2 is really good
[12:29] <bilford> is Flight 7  beta 2?
[12:30] <bilford> tentacle: the official version is coming out in 2 weeks
[12:30] <bilford> unless it's been delayed
[12:30] <bilford> is Dapper still scheduled for June 1?
[12:31] <bilford> Im using a fresh install of Kubuntu Dapper Flight 7, btw,  no problems
[12:31] <ach> Taya: just try.  I'm not sure kmilo does anything when not configured ...
[12:32] <Taya> ok, i removed kmilo, but it's still runing, and i cant kill it..:
[12:32] <Taya> root@Taya:/usr/share/services/kded# ps ax |grep kmilo
[12:32] <Taya>  9589 pts/3    R+     0:00 grep kmilo
[12:32] <Taya> root@Taya:/usr/share/services/kded# kill -9 9589
[12:32] <Taya> bash: kill: (9589) - No such process
[12:32] <Taya> root@Taya:/usr/share/services/kded# ps ax |grep kmilo
[12:32] <Taya>  9591 pts/3    R+     0:00 grep kmilo
[12:32] <Taya> root@Taya:/usr/share/services/kded# kill -9 9591
[12:32] <Taya> bash: kill: (9591) - No such process
[12:32] <Taya> root@Taya:/usr/share/services/kded#
[12:32] <bilford>  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:33] <ach> Taya: kmilo is a kded service
[12:33] <ach> Taya: a shared lib loaded and executed by kded
[12:33] <bilford> when I clickkk a link  in IRC, why does it take so long to load   Firefox, and then to load that page
[12:34] <Taya> ach: an?
[12:34] <Taya> and
[12:34] <Taya> ?
[12:34] <chowells> you are miss interpreting the results
[12:34] <chowells> [23:32]  <Taya> root@Taya:/usr/share/services/kded# ps ax |grep kmilo
[12:34] <chowells> [23:32]  <Taya> 9591 pts/3    R+     0:00 grep kmilo
[12:34] <ach> system settings -> kde components
[12:35] <chowells> process 9591 is the "grep kmilo"
[12:35] <waspius> ok i have two questions..one has to do with konqueror and one with ktorrent
[12:35] <waspius> both concern errors
[12:35] <chowells> so it's no wonder you can't terminate it -- by the time the command finishes it's terminated anyway
[12:36] <waspius> in relation to konqueror i got a error message that it crashed and caused signal 11(SIGSEGV)
[12:36] <waspius> plus it freezes everything at some point
[12:37] <waspius> and in relation to ktorrent i get the following eror:the tracker www... is down
[12:37] <waspius> any help>
[12:37] <ach> Taya: eh, when I disalbe kmilo, I don't get no longer OSD messages about brightness change :(
[12:38] <Taya> ach> where? which one?
[12:38] <Taya> ach: i think there will be more things disabled....;(
[12:38] <ach> Taya: system settings -> kde components
[12:39] <jjesse> 3.5.2 is the version being shipped in dapper correct?
[12:39] <ach> Taya: yes I think you're right :(
[12:39] <Taya> ach: i am there, and then?
[12:39] <ach> Taya: lower right list box lists kmilo
[12:40] <ach> Taya: you can start/stop it there and disable it's start on session login
[12:40] <Taya> ok, when i go to system settingg>kde components there are:
[12:41] <Taya> default applications, kde resources, service manager, session manager and spell checker
[12:41] <Taya> an in none of them is kmilo
[12:42] <ach> Taya: check service manager again (lower right)
[12:43] <koroded> is there a quake3 deb for kubuntu?
[12:44] <Taya> ach: you mean system services? it's not there too.
[12:44] <chowells> Taya: what are you trying to achieve?
[12:44] <Taya> ach: ok it's very late, it's 2:45 am i have to go to sleep.
[12:45] <ach> Taya: np
[12:45] <Taya> chowells - i want to shut down kmilo
[12:45] <Taya> i will try tomorrow.
[12:45] <chowells> You will lose stuff like your brightness change messages
[12:45] <ach> chowells: getting rid of: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2006/03/msg00188.html
[12:45] <Taya> chowells: but i keep getting annying messages about my lcd mode on/off all the time
[12:46] <chowells> Taya: ah. you have an asus laptop
[12:46] <Taya> annoying
[12:46] <Taya> yes i do
[12:46] <chowells> that's my fault :(
[12:46] <Taya> lucky me :)
[12:46] <chowells> I need to fix that bug
[12:46] <chowells> speak to me tomorrow and I should be able to help
[12:47] <ach> chowells: cool.  My ASYS M6e misses OSD notification for volume up/down btw ;) ;)
[12:47] <Taya> ok, i will try :)
[12:48] <Taya> chowells, maybe you can help: when i press mute button (sound) it shoes hat it's motted but it's not.
[12:48] <Taya> it's again asus laptop :)
[12:48] <chowells> ach: press mute where? in kmix?
[12:48] <chowells> I'm not on my asus laptop right now so I can't check the actual hardware
[12:49] <chowells> ach: let me just remind me of it, it's a while since I wrote it :)
[12:49] <Taya> ok, but this sound was nt working in any linux till now..
[12:49] <ach> chowells: no Fn-F10
[12:50] <chowells> ach: what should Fn-F10 do? mute or change up/down volume?
[12:50] <Taya> ok, i have to go.. bye, an thanks to all , cu tomorrow
[12:50] <ach> Taya sound is alsa business. Hotkeys is distro config stuff ;)
[12:50] <ach> chowells: Hmm, good question symbols are not unique IMHO ...
[12:51] <jjesse> can you set kmail up in a way like outlook where the new mail message content breifly appears in your taskbar?
[12:51] <ach> chowells: but AFAIK, ubuntu 'fakes' laptop keys to every logical hotkey like mute,volup/down gives identical X11 keycode
[12:52] <chowells> ach: I have an Asus S5, I think it has hardware volume controls. can't remember, I have a new laptop
[12:53] <chowells> ach: I have to say I don't really understand how the ubuntu faking for X11 keycodes works. The way the KMilo ASUS plugin works is by parsing the /proc/acpi/asus directory
[12:54] <ach> chowells: heh, in 'laptap and power' I see ibm thinkpad and Sony vaio, but no asus module
[12:55] <chowells> ach: yes, the KMilo plugin doesn't have any configurable options
[12:55] <chowells> ach: the asus one I mean
[12:55] <wasp_ems> how can i mount my network files?
[12:55] <chowells> ach: it'd be nice to not have the thinkpad and vaio if you don't have those machines though :(
[12:55] <wasp_ems> i have made a connection through url to my desktop is that enough?
[12:56] <chowells> ach: someone wrote a patch for volume stuff https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117260
[12:56] <chowells> ach: i should try it and get it committed
[12:59] <wasp_ems> anyone use ktorrent?
[12:59] <ach> chowells: btw how does it work when two session are running on :0 and :1 and then kmilo will be triggered twice?
[01:00] <chowells> ach: yes it should. But it will lead to the horribly efficient parsing of /proc for each instance of kmilo
[01:00] <chowells> ach: inefficient, rather.
[01:01] <ach> chowells: does not sound good.  Isn't there a call to determine if current session is active?
[01:02] <chowells> ach: yes it would be nice to see if we could listen to ACPI events instead. What do you mean if the current session is active? The particular KDE session?
[01:04] <ach> chowells: I mean: press Alt-F8  then :1 is active (assume a second session is running).  Alt-F7 :0 is active
[01:04] <chowells> ach: I'm not sure if there's a way to tell
[01:07] <ach> chowells: AFAIR ossi found something for kdm.  But don't remember details.  Too long ago :(
[01:08] <ach> chowells: btw. dpkg -L hotkey-setup   show you what ubuntu is doing
[01:09] <ach> chowells: and /usr/bin/acpi_fakekey  is generating the standardized X11 codes
[01:12] <tomiboy> abend
[01:12] <chowells> ach: yeah, I looked at acpi_fakekey a bit. Have to say I don't really kinow what X11 keycodes are or why they would be useful. Time for some googling
[01:12] <ach> chowells: ah, stuff like this hotkey setup will be fore sure discussed in paris when the goal for edgy are formulated
[01:13] <ach> chowells: kde will send 5 devs to it afaik.
[01:13] <chowells> ach: yeah. The paris meeting sounds really interesting, I'd kind of like to go
[01:13] <chowells> ach: yes, I think 5 names have been proposed
[01:13] <chowells> maybe not to ubuntu yet.
[01:13] <chowells> I think we're still deciding
[01:14] <chowells> i have a job interview next week so I don't really know what's happening in my immediate future :)
[01:14] <ach> chowells: good luck!!
[01:14] <chowells> thanks :)
[01:15] <ach> chowells: btw there a spec somewhere about this keycode business.  AFAIR ....
[01:15] <crazy_penguin> 'night all
[01:16] <chowells> ach: thanks, I will have a look. I've been out of doing stuff for a while due to university committments, looks like a lot has changed ;)
[01:17] <ach> chowells: one has to has laptop spefic hack anyway so let's standadize the keycodes returned by the laptops.  The fixed keycodes allow the hotkey program be easyly preconfigured
[01:17] <chowells> ach: yes, that would be useful
[01:18] <visik7> anyone have compile amarok 1.4 for breezy ?
[01:19] <visik7> got
[01:20] <ach> chowells: yeah, but I don't get why the did not simply load the xdb map for a laptop (generating fake keycodes for hotkeys that only generate acpi/apm events)
[01:24] <visik7> anyone using amarok from czessy ?
[01:24] <ThaJeepJerk> howdy all, wondering if I'm not supposed to try compiling the kernel w/ gcc 4.0?
[01:25] <ThaJeepJerk> rather it looks like all the applications are compiled w/ gcc 4.0 but the kernel was done w/ gcc 3.4
[01:26] <ThaJeepJerk> and when I try compiling with 4.0 I get an error
[01:34] <visik7> ThaJeepJerk: install gcc 3.4
[01:35] <visik7> for kernel modules
[01:35] <visik7> 3.4 is used for the kernel 'couse on some arch doesn't compile
[01:35] <visik7> (the 4)
[01:35] <ThaJeepJerk> alright, thanks
[01:56] <koroded> can anyone tell me why my IP comes up as 169.254.98.69 when it should be 192.168.174.10, and was last reboot?
[01:57] <ThaJeepJerk> koroded: are you using DHCP?
[01:58] <koroded> yessir
[01:58] <koroded> however, my router has a static assignment for this mac
[01:58] <ThaJeepJerk> sounds like its not finding the DHCP server
[01:59] <koroded> ok, I could understand that, but where does that IP come from then?
[01:59] <ThaJeepJerk> automatic ip from the drivers on the discovery timeouut
[01:59] <koroded> I see
[02:00] <koroded> now it's starting to make sense :)
[02:00] <ThaJeepJerk> thats how I guessed you had DHCP ;)
[02:00] <koroded> ok, answer this then.  How is it that I'm online?
[02:00] <koroded> and how come I can ssh from another box on my network to 192.168.174.10 and get this computer?
[02:00] <koroded> hmm, perhaps, I can answer that second part.  My switch would have the MAC cached to the IP
[02:01] <ThaJeepJerk> thats messed up
[02:01] <lwizardl> whats a good newsgroup binaries downloader for linux?
[02:01] <koroded> very :(
[02:01] <ThaJeepJerk> when you run ifconfig the adpter matches?
[02:02] <koroded> http://pastebin.com/723712
[02:02] <koroded> have a look :)
[02:02] <koroded> how can I tell it to try and get an IP again?
[02:03] <ThaJeepJerk> your mac is 00:00:00:21:43:71?
[02:03] <ThaJeepJerk> the system config app has a network setup tool
[02:03] <koroded> system config app?
[02:04] <koroded> I see
[02:05] <koroded> am I still here?
[02:05] <ThaJeepJerk> yep
[02:13] <koroded> naw I died out
[02:14] <koroded> this is weird, changing it manually to 192.168.174.10 makes it die.  All the settings are right and everything.  No matter what I do, if falls back to that 196 address, then it works
[02:18] <koroded> I just set it manually, and when I clicked apply, it went back to 169.254.98.69 and changed the netmask
[02:19] <koroded> :(
[02:19] <koroded> I need a beer
[02:26] <Seantater> koroded: is it connected to lan or WAN?
[02:27] <Seantater> koroded: all 192 addresses are reserved for Local Networks, under routers, WAN takes everything else
[02:28] <koroded> Seantater: it's on my home lan
[02:28] <koroded> it worked before last reboot
[02:28] <Seantater> koroded: odd --
[02:28] <Seantater> koroded: sorry -- an alarm just went off
[02:28] <Seantater> koroded: gtg
[02:28] <koroded> indeed :S
[02:28] <koroded> k
[02:38] <guti> hola para poner las sources list
[02:43] <DanTheMan25> just download amarok 1.4 but it doesn't have gstreamer, and it doesn't play MP3's with xine am i missing something?
[02:47] <koroded> DanTheMan25: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[03:06] <Bizzy> hey, i have an nforce4 motherboard, and i just cannot get sound to work on it under kubuntu
[03:14] <KDEfanboy> what's the easiest way to get udev in my kernel?
[03:46] <Bizzy> how hard will it be to upgrade flight 7 to release kubuntu 6.06 when it is released
[03:48] <Samuli^> bizzym just do updates like you normally do.
[03:48] <Bizzy> ahh
[03:48] <Bizzy> cool
[03:48] <Bizzy> also
[03:48] <Bizzy> i managed to get the nforce4 audio driver to compile
[03:48] <Bizzy> and to install
[03:48] <Bizzy> but
[03:48] <Bizzy> not work
[03:48] <Bizzy> at all
[03:48] <apokryphos> !enter
[03:48] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[04:12] <derekS> anyone know how to play an mp3 from the command line (so i can set a cronjob)
[04:14] <robotgeek> derekS: usually sing mpg321, i think
[04:15] <robotgeek> derekS: also mplayer does commandline
[04:15] <derekS> sing mpg321? or just mpg321?
[04:15] <robotgeek> using, err
[04:15] <derekS> haha :)
[04:15] <derekS> thanks
[04:16] <derekS> making an alarm for tomorrow morning :)
[04:16] <derekS> going to wake up to iconz singing "Get F-ed Up"
[04:52] <jefferson> houston, i got a problem
[04:53] <jefferson> I need to know if theres any way, like --force to instal "something.sh"
[04:53] <jefferson> on 64 bit
[04:54] <jefferson> sorry
[04:54] <jefferson> ill explain again
[04:54] <jefferson> i have a 64 bit linux kubuntu
[04:55] <jefferson> and i need to run "setup.sh", thats on the 32 bit architecture
[04:57] <robotgeek> jefferson: hmm, it wont work unless you have a chroot
[04:57] <cwheeler> hi I changed my vid card what do i run to configure X for new card?
[04:57] <robotgeek> cwheeler, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:57] <cwheeler> thanks robotgeek
[04:58] <raven> Anyone get Xgl running on Kubuntu drake?
[05:20] <xtacocorex> frequency scaling question: i'm currently running fluxbox on my kubuntu breezy installation and the frequency scaling defaults to performance under cpufreqd in the default kernel, in kde it defaults to ondemand as i set it to be that
[05:21] <xtacocorex> but i would like fluxbox to start up with the ondemand scaling governor
[05:22] <xtacocorex> i can change the permission of /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor to allow non root writing, but i couldn't get an init script to do this for me on boo
[05:22] <xtacocorex> boot, i mean, is that possible?
[05:24] <robotgeek> xtacocorex: which init script
[05:24] <xtacocorex> i wrote one to do the chmod command
[05:24] <xtacocorex> but i didn't know which rc#.d folder i needed to link it to and what order
[05:24] <cwheeler> how can i use single user mode in kubuntu? I need to install nvidia drivers w/o X running
[05:25] <robotgeek> xtacocorex: i think /etc/init.d
[05:25] <robotgeek> xtacocorex: also man update-rc.d
[05:25] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: that's where i put the script
[05:25] <robotgeek> xtacocorex: you may prefer to run it as a cronjob using @reboot
[05:26] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: hmm, didn't think of that
[05:26] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: any special format for the reboot cronjob, i've set up a couple for a certain tim
[05:27] <robotgeek> @reboot /home/user/script.sh
[05:27] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: i'd have to put that under the system cron wouldn't i
[05:29] <jamie> How do I rebuild all packages in Kubuntu?
[05:30] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: i totally forgot to do the update-rc.d command to let it know that i put in a new init script
[05:30] <robotgeek> update-rc.d add something defaults
[05:30] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: oh, so it wouldn't matter if i ran it?
[05:31] <jamie> Is there a package in Kubuntu that would let me rebuild the system if I did a apt-get build-dep
[05:31] <robotgeek> xtacocorex: i dont follow
[05:31] <robotgeek> jamie: meaning?
[05:31] <jamie> I want to rebuild the entire system.
[05:32] <jamie> In Gentoo it's just emerge -e world.
[05:32] <jamie> But I'm not sure how to do it on Kubuntu.
[05:32] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: if i put an init script in /etc/init.d/ and then create my symlinks in the rc#.d folder i shouldn't have to run update-rc.d, correct?
[05:33] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: the man page says that it creates the links for me automatically
[05:33] <robotgeek> xtacocorex: doesn't matter, i think. you can also remove it using the same command
[05:34] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: cool, i'll try the cron, but since it needs to be done as root, it should be a system cron instead of a personal cron
[05:35] <robotgeek> xtacocorex: ah, okay. sudo crontab -e
[05:37] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: any special spacing issues for this since it's reboot?
[05:38] <robotgeek> xtacocorex: nope, just run "@reboot command" (it will be executed on startup)
[05:38] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: thanks, sorry for the highly technical question
[05:39] <robotgeek> xtacocorex: heh, it aint python :)
[05:39] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: i asked on the forum a couple of hours ago, but there is no semi-advanced area so i stuck it in beginners and everyone passed over it
[05:39] <jamie> Can kubuntu rebuild all packages using apt-get build-dep
[05:40] <robotgeek> jamie: what do you mean by that? or what do you want to do?
[05:40] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: i've only messed with python a couple of time
[05:40] <jamie> Ok here's the deal.
[05:40] <xtacocorex> robotgeek: thanks for the help
[05:40] <jamie> I had to install kubuntu on another laptop since this one doesn't have a cdrom or a floppy drive.
[05:40] <jamie> And it won't boot external.
[05:40] <jamie> So
[05:41] <jamie> I got the base install working on another laptop. I'm taking that hard drive out and putting it in the laptop that doesn't have any cdroms or floppy disks.
[05:41] <jamie> I want to rebuild kubuntu to work with the "new" hardware.
[05:41] <robotgeek> jamie: are they the same architecture?
[05:41] <jamie> Yes.
[05:42] <jamie> One's just a little faster.
[05:42] <robotgeek> jamie: you should be able to do everything you need on that harddrive, and just put it in the other
[05:42] <jamie> The faster one is a Toshiba and the one with no drives is a Dell Latitude LS.
[05:43] <jamie> robotgeek: Ok.
[05:43] <jamie> robotgeek: But just to answer the question, is there a way to rebuild the entire system once I'm booted into it?
[05:43] <jamie> Or does Kubuntu force me to reinstall?
[05:44] <robotgeek> jamie: do you mean compile?
[05:44] <jamie> robotgeek: yeah.
[05:45] <dlowell> My kubuntu system won't play mp3 or m4a files with any of the players but it plays wav sounds, any help?
[05:45] <jamie> robotgeek: I would like to recompile all the packages on this box.
[05:45] <jamie> dlowell: You need to get the codecs.
[05:45] <robotgeek> jamie: sure, you can do that i think
[05:45] <robotgeek> dlowell, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:45] <jamie> dlowell: I think it's on the ubuntu unoffical FAQ.
[05:45] <jamie> robotgeek: Ok. How can I go about doing that?
[05:46] <robotgeek> jamie: you mean compile everything from scratch?
[05:46] <jamie> robotgeek: Yes.
[05:46] <robotgeek> jamie: hmm, that aint possible (on kubuntu)
[05:47] <jamie> robotgeek: Or is there a faster way then compiling everything from scratch.
[05:47] <jamie> robotgeek: That's what I thought due to the package manager.
[05:47] <robotgeek> jamie: you don't need to compile it from scratch.
[05:47] <jamie> robotgeek: I know.  But I just wanted to know if it was possible.
[05:47] <dlowell> anyone know how to restart the sound server in Konsole
[05:47] <robotgeek> jamie: should be (they build these packgages, i just dont know how)
[05:48] <jamie> Ok.
[05:48] <jamie> robotgeek: I'll keep looking around.
[05:48] <jamie> robotgeek: Thanks.
[05:48] <jamie> dlowell: /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[05:49] <jamie> Well wait it's sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[05:49] <jamie> My bad.
[05:49] <jamie> I keep forgetting that Kubuntu uses sudo by default.
[05:49] <kosh> making kubuntu work with new hardware does not involve recompling the system
[05:49] <kosh> only the kernel would need to be replaced
[05:49] <jamie> Ok.
[05:49] <jamie> Right I figured that.
[05:50] <jamie> So all I would need to do is reinstall the kernel?
[05:50] <jamie> And that should detect the new hardware and life is good.
[05:50] <kosh> well you should already be running the one that is default in kubuntu
[05:50] <kosh> what hardware is not being detected and working?
[05:51] <jamie> Right but if I installed the kernel on another system and I moved the hard drive to the system that I wanted to install on then I have to reinstall the kernel to detect the new hardware.
[05:51] <kosh> nope
[05:51] <kosh> it should just work
[05:51] <jamie> I haven't moved the hard drive over to the other system yet.
[05:52] <jamie> I just wanted to get some info before I did.
[05:52] <jamie> Ok cool.
[05:52] <kosh> I have been moving harddrives around for years and it works fine
[05:52] <kosh> all hardware information is detected on startup and drivers loaded, they are not saved
[05:52] <dlowell> it says the /etc/init.d/alsa restart is no such file or directory
[05:52] <kosh> the only issue I know of is moving to a different processor arch
[05:52] <dlowell> i'm running kubuntu
[05:52] <dlowell> flight 7
[05:52] <kosh> so if you installed x86 and try to stick it in a ppc box it won't work
[05:52] <jamie> dlowell: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[05:52] <jamie> My bad.
[05:52] <jamie> Yeah
[05:52] <jamie> Ok I got you.
[05:53] <jamie> The processors are the same so things should be fine.
[05:53] <robotgeek> dlowell: you can also try it from Kmenu -> System Settings -> Sounds
[05:53] <jamie> Yeah the arch is the same.
[05:53] <jamie> I understand that's not possible.
[05:53] <jamie> Well, you can do it but it's a bitch.
[05:53] <lunitik> !ubiquity
[05:53] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, lunitik
[05:54] <kosh> you can do just about anything if you know what you are doing
[05:54] <robotgeek> !lang
[05:54] <ubotu> robotgeek: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:54] <jamie> Right.
[05:54] <lunitik> Anyone know what I'd file bugs under for Flight 7 LiveCD installer bugs?
[05:54] <kosh> I upgraded from mandrake to debian to kubuntu and never used any debian installer :)
[05:54] <kosh> I did a live switch from mandrake to debian about 5 or 6 years ago
[05:54] <jamie> I'm giving this laptop to my sister (hench the "jamie" as the user name)
[05:55] <jamie> I hate mandrake.
[05:55] <lunitik> I have issues trying to customize partition layouts...
[05:55] <robotgeek> lunitik: on launchpad :)
[05:55] <jamie> So I decided to give her a simple distro to use.
[05:55] <jamie> And I'm pretty please with Kubuntu.
[05:55] <lunitik> robotgeek: I was more looking for a link... but thanks... I don't even know what it'd be called (module to file bug under)
[05:56] <robotgeek> lunitik: yes, ubuiquity would be the installer
[05:56] <lunitik> jamie: you _hate_ a packager of free software that is active in the community and hires developers in that community?
[05:56] <lunitik> neat
[05:57] <kosh> lunitik: I was thinking that also, it seems pretty strange
[05:57] <jamie> lunitik: No. I hate the way mandrake is laid out.
[05:57] <jamie> lunitik: And how buggy it is.
[05:57] <kosh> lunitik: besides about 5-6 years ago it mandrake was pretty darn good compared to the others out there
[05:57] <lunitik> jamie: its ok to prefere one distro... but hating a distro is harsh... especially one that hires developers
[05:57] <kosh> lunitik: what about linspire? where they take programs, rename them, rebadge them etc? :)
[05:58] <jamie> lunitik: Um, there's a lot of distros that hire developers.
[05:58] <lunitik> jamie: developers contributing to projects you use...
[05:58] <ahmeni> I hate something, therefore I automatically hate everything even remotely associated with it! Rawrgh!
[05:58] <jamie> lunitik: I'll change my mind once Mandrake (or Linux for that matter) follows the BSD way of life.
[05:58] <DarkED> hey how good is k3b at converting mp3 to cd audio?
[05:58] <jamie> Much better system IMO.
[05:59] <lunitik> kosh: I don't mind Linspire itself... users don't care about such things really, my Mom has a Linspire box though... putting the Linux name on a box like that isn't cool with me....
[05:59] <jamie> lunitik: And PS: I am a developer.
[05:59] <jamie> lunitik: So save your speech.
[05:59] <lunitik> jamie: if you want the BSD way of life... use BSD
[05:59] <robotgeek> linspire contributes to a lot of projects
[05:59] <DarkED> jamie: what kind of developer
[05:59] <jamie> lunitik: I do. I use BSD, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris, and even VM ware.
[06:00] <kosh> robotgeek: I don't hate them I just don't like stuff being renamed
[06:00] <robotgeek> kosh: what did they rename
[06:00] <lunitik> jamie: if Madriva offered you a job where you were pretty much utterly free to work on what you wanted... you'd turn them down?
[06:00] <jamie> DarkED: Nothing major. I worked on the Enlightenment window manager.
[06:00] <DarkED> jamie: i use enlightenment daily
[06:00] <kosh> robotgeek: actually good question I just know in the past I have seen things renamed in the screenshots they have on their website however I have not checked in a long time now
[06:00] <jamie> DarkED: Dr17?
[06:00] <DarkED> jamie: so thats kinda big to me :D
[06:00] <jamie> DarkED: :)
[06:00] <jamie> DarkED: Good stuff man.
[06:01] <DarkED> jamie: no i think its an older build
[06:01] <jamie> DarkED: Ahh.
[06:01] <DarkED> jamie: im in kde right now cause im updating dapper, ill have to get back to you on that :D
[06:01] <jamie> DarkED: If we can ever get Dr 17 out of CVS things would be a lot better IMO.
[06:01] <lunitik> robotgeek: Lsongs, I'm pretty sure I've seen somewhere else... Linspire Calander is Sunbird though...
[06:01] <jamie> DarkED: Right on. :)
[06:01] <jamie> lunitik: What are you talking about?
[06:02] <DarkED> jamie: i just like the 'no clutter' approach that enlightenment gives, its odd but fun to mess around with
[06:02] <lunitik> jamie: wrt what?
[06:02] <jamie> lunitik: Yes I'd turn them down because I have a great job now.
[06:02] <jamie> lunitik: Stop being crazy.
[06:02] <jamie> lunitik: It's just a Linux distro.
[06:02] <jamie> haha
[06:02] <jamie> DarkED: Oh yeah.
[06:02] <jamie> DarkED: And very fast and light on the system.
[06:02] <kosh> jamie: why are you so negative and hostile?
[06:02] <DarkED> jamie: true dat
[06:02] <DarkED> jamie: thats the best part :D
[06:03] <lunitik> jamie: I just dislike seeing harsh words directed at any company willing to support Linux  :/
[06:03] <jamie> kosh: I'm not lunitik is being crazy about a distro.
[06:03] <robotgeek> lets keep it ontopic here, please
[06:03] <jamie> lunitik: What do you think about Windows?
[06:03] <lunitik> jamie: I dislike Mandriva... I don't use it... but I certainly respect it, they hire a lot of developers (200 or so afaik)
[06:04] <jamie> lunitik: And I agree. More support for the Linux community is a great thing.
[06:04] <jamie> lunitik: And just because I said that the BSD way of life is better doesn't mean "I should just use BSD."
[06:04] <DarkED> jamie: I agree as well but i dont like anything redhat supports, too easy to screw up your dependencies
[06:04] <jamie> That type of attitude is killing the Linux community.
[06:04] <jamie> DarkED: Agreed.
[06:05] <jamie> DarkED: yeah don't get my started on Fedora.
[06:05] <jamie> haha
[06:05] <jamie> This is why I'm giving my sister a Kubuntu box.
[06:05] <lunitik> DarkED: DEB is just as dumb from a users point of view as RPM ... just people compare RPM to APT, which is flawed, they don't do that same thing
[06:05] <jamie> Much better to learn from.
[06:05] <lunitik> jamie: users don't care to learn... a shame... but the truth...
[06:05] <DarkED> jamie: Agreed :D I hated booting into a mostly-fresh RH9 install only to find X won't start, it's really great...
[06:06] <jamie> lunitik: True.
[06:06] <robotgeek> !+kofftopic
[06:06] <ubotu> hmm... kofftopic is Non Kubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #kubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[06:06] <jamie> Ah ok.
[06:06] <jamie> Yeah I'm going to head out anyway.
[06:06] <DarkED> lunitik: I'm not saying Debian is perfect, just treated me better in the past :D
[06:06] <jamie> Hey good talking to everyone. :D
[06:06] <jamie> And lunitik sorry if you thought I was being harsh.
[06:07] <jamie> I hope I made my point.
[06:07] <dlowell> thanks for the help i can now play my music
[06:07] <jamie> np
[06:07] <lunitik> jamie: its ok... and you really didn't... but thats ok  :)
[06:07] <DarkED> lunitik: But yeah, DEB has just as many dislikes as RPMs, but most of the things DEBs do I can easily fix
[06:07] <jamie> Check out DR17 on enlightenment.org some time DarkED
[06:07] <jamie> :D
[06:08] <DarkED> jamie: Will do, I'm waiting to figure out how to compile it :D
[06:08] <jamie> haha
[06:08] <jamie> DarkED: You could give Gentoo a shot. :)
[06:08] <jamie> Night all
[06:08] <DarkED> crappers
[06:08] <lunitik> s/Kubuntu/#kubuntu/
[06:09] <DarkED> gentoo was okay, I liked portage and the way it worked but I'm not a 'gentoo' kinda guy
[06:26] <TabooTreez> hey is there an kubuntu guide for dapper?
[06:26] <TabooTreez> like the ubuntu  guide with all the how tos
[06:27] <robotgeek> TabooTreez: Help -> Desktop Guide
[06:28] <TabooTreez> no no no
[06:29] <TabooTreez> that guide doesnt tell me how to install java...
[06:29] <TabooTreez> mp3 support
[06:29] <robotgeek> TabooTreez: yes it does
[06:29] <TabooTreez> etc..
[06:30] <TabooTreez> *looks*
[06:30] <TabooTreez> i dont see anything in it
[06:30] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch04s09.html#java
[06:30] <robotgeek> TabooTreez: however, that is incorrect due to a few very recent change from sun
[06:31] <TabooTreez> robotgeek: thanks lots
[06:32] <robotgeek> TabooTreez: you can now just enable multiverse, and install from there
[06:32] <robotgeek> sun-java5-bin is the packge you are looking for
[06:33] <TabooTreez> can u tell me how to write
[06:33] <TabooTreez> to an ntfs drive
[06:34] <robotgeek> TabooTreez: it is unsafe, i think
[06:34] <robotgeek> howdy kkathman
[06:35] <TabooTreez> robotgeek: thanks
[06:35] <kkathman> hi there robotgeek :)
[06:35] <robotgeek> !ntfs
[06:35] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:35] <kkathman> lntfs?
[06:36] <kkathman> robotgeek:  not sure I know that one :)
[06:36] <regeya_> the day you realize your nerdines has overridden your maleness:  when you see a picture of a lovely, nude woman, and you think, 'hey, neat, she has an eMac *and* a PowerBook'
[06:36] <regeya_> this may have been posted in the wrong channel.
[06:41] <nox_freak> got a problem, every time I set my wireless default gw route, all gnome basd packages top working
[06:41] <nox_freak> top = stop
[06:48] <dlowell> my mp3 and m4a files won't play in any of the kde audio playing programs...can anyone help..??
[06:49] <dlowell> ok, thanks anyway
[07:01] <nixternal> anyone notice a little bit of a slowness with flight 7? i upgraded today, compiled in the 2.6.16.16 & latest nvidias like always....same exact kernel config (lean & mean)...
[07:02] <nixternal> it could be the theme...that is the only difference between old and new
[07:11] <TabooTreez> where the fstab file located?
[07:11] <robotgeek> TabooTreez: /etc/fstab
[07:11] <TabooTreez> robotgeek: thanks again
[07:19] <TabooTreez> how do i restart fstab?
[07:21] <TabooTreez> without rebooting
[07:22] <TabooTreez> w/e by not i could of jsut restarted
[07:22] <TabooTreez> peace
[07:25] <Mattchewie> Hello!
[07:25] <Mattchewie> anyone running dapper that can tell me the secret to mp3 playback?
[07:25] <Mattchewie> :D
[07:26] <nixternal> haha
[07:26] <nixternal> i hear you Mattchewie
[07:26] <nixternal> gstream .10
[07:27] <Mattchewie> ahh not 8 huh
[07:27] <nixternal> i messed around with repository after repository, amarok, banshee, and another one
[07:27] <nixternal> nah...dapper works with .10
[07:27] <Mattchewie> awesome
[07:27] <nixternal> hehe
[07:28] <Mattchewie> Yeah I'm like "wow this is great, everything is working....OH MY.....mp3..playback is...not.....:( *cry*"
[07:28] <nixternal> haha...i had problems and still do in some areas with any freakin' playback
[07:28] <crimsun> Mattchewie: install libxine-extracodecs.
[07:28] <nixternal> mp3's work now...apple's crap still won't work for me
[07:28] <nixternal> no matter what i do
[07:29] <crimsun> m4as work fine for me.
[07:29] <nixternal> i have done everything under the sun
[07:29] <crimsun> did you strip the DRM first?
[07:29] <nixternal> actually...let me check out and see if i can get one to work...i have yet to try with flight 7 now that i think about it
[07:29] <Mattchewie> hrm...Am I looking ot install the gst 10 libs?
[07:29] <crimsun> Mattchewie: amarok by default uses the xine engine, so you'll need the package I mentioned above
[07:30] <Mattchewie> I can't find that package!
[07:30] <crimsun> Mattchewie: you don't have multiverse enabled, then
[07:30] <Mattchewie> I type in libxine in adept and I see notta
[07:30] <TabooTreez> someone please tell me how to restart fstab without rebooting
[07:31] <crimsun> TabooTreez: you don't really "restart fstab", which is a file.
[07:31] <Mattchewie> ....you can do a "sudo mount -a"
[07:31] <Mattchewie> aye looks like I missed one of the repositories
[07:31] <Mattchewie> ...lets see if this does the job
[07:32] <TabooTreez> im trying to mount an nfts with fuse
[07:32] <TabooTreez> but i keep getting errors
[07:32] <nixternal> hey..can amarok connect to daap
[07:32] <Mattchewie> ....Hrm, Does Kaffiene use xine too?
[07:33] <crimsun> Mattchewie: by default, yes
[07:33] <nixternal> to lazy to look..in the middle of something else
[07:34] <Mattchewie> awesome, ....ok, once again this repository thing is hating me
[07:34] <Mattchewie> lol
[07:35] <Mattchewie> ..I uncommented out both the backport and the regular universe reps...but when I search I still see no libxine-extracodecs
[07:36] <crimsun> Mattchewie: multiverse
[07:36] <crimsun> please read carefully next time :-)
[07:36] <Mattchewie> DOH!
[07:36] <Mattchewie> sorry
[07:37] <Mattchewie> though multiverse was the same....as........<smacks forehead>
[07:37] <Mattchewie> ...been a long day
[07:37] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:41] <koroded> I can't seem to play mp3's in dapper
[07:42] <Mattchewie> haha
[07:42] <Mattchewie> WELCOME TO MY WORLD!
[07:42] <nixternal> gahahha
[07:43] <nixternal> holy moly that was to funny Mattchewie
[07:43] <Mattchewie> ok, uncommented out the multiverse "dapper-backports" packages and source reps did a apt-get update, apt-cache search libxine still pulls up no libxine-extracodecs
[07:43] <Mattchewie> :/
[07:44] <Mattchewie> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[07:47] <crimsun> Mattchewie: dapper-backports != dapper
[07:48] <koroded> anyone with help for mp3's in Dapper?
[07:48] <crimsun> koroded: enable multiverse and install libxine-extracodecs
[07:48] <crimsun>  *** 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 0
[07:48] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages
[07:49] <Mattchewie> Ahh I figured as much but that was the only multiverse I had in my sources.list so I was taking a WILD stab in the dark
[07:49] <poningru> !mp3
[07:49] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:50] <nixternal> well...crimsun...i didn't get an error trying the m4a file...but it starts to play and then just ends
[07:50] <poningru> koroded: did you get that?
[07:50] <nixternal> and that is in amarok
[07:51] <TabooTreez> can someone tell me how i can give myself permission to acces a folder
[07:51] <TabooTreez> if only root can
[07:51] <nixternal> how about a little practice what you preach....I DON'T EVEN HAVE GSTREAM .10 INSTALLED.... <-- stay away...idiot on board
[07:51] <koroded> crimsun: I'm not 100% sure how to enable mulitverse
[07:51] <koroded> I have universe
[07:52] <poningru> !multiverse
[07:52] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:52] <TabooTreez> to add multiverse open adept go to file>manage respor... and find universve double click it and chnage ti to universe multiverse
[07:52] <nixternal> gahaha...i don't even have gstream installed at all...god im a moron
[07:52] <poningru> TabooTreez: you have to go command line
[07:52] <TabooTreez> poningru: and
[07:53] <poningru> sudo
[07:53] <poningru> chmod
[07:53] <poningru> what do you want to do with the file?
[07:53] <poningru> just read right?
[07:53] <TabooTreez> there a folder that i want to acces
[07:54] <TabooTreez> and write
[07:54] <Mattchewie> wholy freaking awesome, I got it now
[07:54] <TabooTreez> a folder
[07:54] <TabooTreez> read and write to foler that is roots
[07:54] <nixternal> hey Mattchewie...I DON'T #@#!@@! LOL
[07:54] <koroded> poningru: aptitude install xmms-mad  seems to have fixed my issues
[07:54] <TabooTreez> folder*
[07:54] <koroded> poningru: thank you!
[07:54] <poningru> TabooTreez: what permission does the root have on the folder right now?
[07:54] <poningru> np
[07:55] <TabooTreez> can read amd write
[07:55] <poningru> oh right folder no execute
[07:55] <poningru> doh
[07:55] <TabooTreez> sooo... ? lol
[07:55] <koroded> hmm
[07:55] <koroded> amarok still wont play
[07:56] <poningru> sudo chmod 744 folder
[07:56] <poningru> err sudo chmod 744 /path/to/folder
[07:56] <TabooTreez> thanks
[07:57] <koroded> :(
[07:58] <Mattchewie> WOO!!
[07:58] <Mattchewie> ...I'm listening to an mp3 P
[07:58] <koroded> me too, but not in amarok :(
[07:59] <Mattchewie> did you restart amarok koroded?
[07:59] <Mattchewie> even making sure to exit out of the systray app?
[07:59] <koroded> yar
[08:00] <Mattchewie> crimsun, thanks for the guidance
[08:00] <Mattchewie> now I just need video on the mpegs!
[08:02] <[SEAWOLF] > hi all
[08:06] <Mattchewie> gah, and now its bed time, work always comes too early :(
[08:08] <dell500> anyone know how to convert from MPC to MP3?
[08:09] <nixternal> woohoo...m4a's work like a charm...
[08:11] <nolte> hey, I'm thinking of swirching from suse 10.1 crap to kubuntu, does vmware workstation work on kubuntu
[08:12] <nolte> anyone ?
[08:12] <nixternal> i dunno
[08:13] <nixternal> i had it running on ubuntu
[08:13] <nixternal> hadn't installed in on kubuntu
[08:13] <nixternal> i had vmware running on mepis...so ifi it will run on mepis..then i don't see why it wouldn't run on kubuntu
[08:14] <nixternal> sorry for being a little slow on that answer...i am in the middle of eating a bag of "fiery habenero doritos"
[08:14] <nixternal> had to clean my finger b4 hittin' the kb
[08:14] <nolte> thanks :-)
[08:14] <nixternal> np
[08:15] <nixternal> i was a long time suse user
[08:15] <nixternal> i stopped when novell jumped in
[08:15] <TabooTreez> what was the command to restart fstab?
[08:15] <nolte> i've installed an update from 10.0 to 10.1 nearly nothing worked.
[08:16] <TabooTreez> or remount all my drives
[08:16] <nixternal> used slackware for a while and debian...even some mepis...but as soon as i hopped on the ubuntu/kubuntu/nubuntu/xubuntu express...it was all over
[08:16] <nixternal> good ol' yastII
[08:16] <poningru> TabooTreez: iirc fdisk -a
[08:16] <poningru> but hold on let me make sure
[08:17] <nolte> have to go to a meeting now, cu later
[08:18] <poningru> hmm thats not it
[08:18] <poningru> !fstab
[08:18] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the diskmounter file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter  See <partitions>.
[08:19] <poningru> grr
[08:19] <poningru> mount -a
[08:20] <TabooTreez> thanks
[08:20] <TabooTreez> that worked
[08:23] <n3storm> uolas
[08:23] <diop> i'd like to install my Canon MP150 printer, is it possible under kubuntu dapper ?
[08:24] <nixternal> usb, parallel, net????
[08:24] <diop> usb
[08:24] <nixternal> have you tried installing it through system settings?
[08:25] <diop> yes
[08:25] <nixternal> no go huh
[08:30] <diop> system --printers--- password
[08:30] <diop> and after nothing
[08:30] <nixternal> hmmm
[08:30] <nixternal> so after you type your password...it just hangs up?
[08:31] <diop> yes the program seems to begin but never
[08:31] <diop> starts
[08:33] <nixternal> diop....check out http://www.turboprint.de/english.html
[08:33] <nixternal> they show the pixma mp150 as supported through there
[08:34] <nixternal> cups doesn't show support for that printer
[08:34] <nixternal> i dont' have experience with turboprint...but what i have read...people like it
[08:34] <diop> thanks you for your help
[08:34] <nixternal> http://www.turboprint.info/printers.html
[08:34] <nixternal> there is a direct link that will show your drivers
[08:38] <nixternal> anybody check out that maker faire video??? they have a tech from geek squad who states all their people are a+ certified...dude asks him what does pcmcia stand for...and he don't know...classic right there
[08:39] <nixternal> i forwarded the video to geek squad prez....i was like obviously a+ don't mean squat to your company
[08:43] <glick> hey now that sun is goina be open source and they modified their distributing liscense, will dapper include sun java?
[08:43] <nixternal> all depends now i guess...it looks like they found some hidden stuff w/in the sun license
[08:43] <glick> hidden stuff?
[08:44] <nixternal> something to the fact that if you install sun java...you have to remove libgcj...something along those lines
[08:44] <nixternal> i dunno if it was legality issues or what...but i have seen it across a few tech sites
[08:45] <nixternal> i talked to a buddy of mine who works for my old company, sun...and he said that whole thing was messed up and he was glad he wasn't part of it
[08:45] <Steven_M> hi all
[08:45] <nixternal> how are ya Steven_M
[08:45] <glick> but i thought sun was about to opensource java
[08:46] <hastesaver> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=185998&cid=15352645 and below. But it's Slashdot, trust it at your own risk :)
[08:46] <nixternal> well..im guessing they did since it is in the repositories...i have had no luck with the dl's though cuz everyone and their mother has been grabbin' it
[08:47] <nixternal> no crap hastesaver...i stopped with slashdot...and digg will be gone shortly
[08:47] <nixternal> it seems like every digg post is now scrutinized for either being old, wrong, or flat out lame
[08:47] <hastesaver> nixternal, I know, but that thread says Debian included Java in non-free, and having gcj is not a problem with the licence
[08:48] <nixternal> ahhh
[08:48] <nixternal> well...isn't slashdot also the site that reported the whole gcj thing earlier?
[08:48] <glick> nice
[08:48] <nixternal> i might be wrong, cuz i have read so much crap about it today
[08:48] <nixternal> hehe
[08:48] <glick> the while java thing was a pain in the donkey
[08:48] <nixternal> haha
[08:49] <nixternal> and will always be a pain in the donkey
[08:49] <Steven_M> nixternal: good thanks and you?
[08:49] <nixternal> my mouth is on fire from these habenero doritos...other than that good i guess ;D
[08:49] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:49] <Lynoure> _max_: cute domain name :)
[08:50] <nixternal> Why do ink cartridges cost so much? <-- digg post...is that necessary? nothing else better to report on...i use laser anyways...how come a toner cartridge costs me $140?
[08:50] <nixternal> lol
[08:51] <hastesaver> nixternal, anyone who reads the comments on digg will be permanently brain-damaged.
[08:51] <nixternal> lol hastesaver...maybe that is my problem then ;D
[08:51] <Steven_M> when is the final dapper due to be released?
[08:51] <nixternal> the comments are the most interesting
[08:51] <nixternal> june 1
[08:52] <nixternal> i knew there was a reason i disliked amarok
[08:52] <nixternal> no daap yet
[08:53] <Steven_M> nixternal: was that june 1 to me?
[08:54] <nixternal> yes sir
[08:55] <riri> Hi
[08:55] <nixternal> hi riri
[08:55] <riri> i can't install dapper 7
[08:55] <riri> neither 6
[08:55] <koroded> can you be more vauge?
[08:55] <nixternal> yes please
[08:56] <riri> the live cd runs ok but when asking partioning
[08:56] <nixternal> live cd? lock up during boot?
[08:56] <riri> no
[08:56] <nixternal> gotcha...
[08:56] <riri> it crashes
[08:56] <nixternal> have you tried to reburn your cd?
[08:56] <riri> no
[08:56] <nixternal> whoa whoa whoa....is this drive for kubuntu only?
[08:56] <riri> dapper 6 already did the same
[08:57] <nixternal> ahhhh
[08:57] <riri> in fact i can use livecd but not install dapper
[08:57] <nixternal> i think i know your problem...i didn't have this issue with kubuntu...but i did with mepis
[08:57] <Steven_M> be back later
[08:57] <riri> am I the only one to get this issue ?
[08:58] <nixternal> i used a win98 boot disk...booted up... fdisk /mbr (just for grins)...then fdisk...created a dos partition...then retried the live cd install and then it went through fine
[08:58] <nixternal> now that was with mepis and not kubuntu
[08:58] <nixternal> but that could be of some assistance....
[08:58] <nixternal> the drive is good right?
[08:59] <riri> yes
[08:59] <riri> because i have 2 hdd
[08:59] <riri> one for xp
[08:59] <nixternal> k...it could be that the table is fubarred
[08:59] <riri> and one for mandriva
[08:59] <nixternal> i just did a flat out win98 boot disk wipe of the drive and that seemed to work
[09:00] <nixternal> i even had issues booting knoppix and running fsdisk
[09:00] <riri> i don't want to break my two disk ?
[09:00] <nixternal> even qpart messed up with that drive
[09:00] <nixternal> is it dual booting?
[09:01] <riri> my problem is i stick to mandriva just for having share internet
[09:01] <riri> yes
[09:01] <nixternal> ahhh
[09:01] <riri> so i am expecting dapper to allow to get me rid of mandriva ! lol
[09:01] <nixternal> hehe
[09:01] <riri> someone here told me i could use ipkungfu
[09:02] <nixternal> that is new to me...dunno anythign about that
[09:02] <riri> but ip kungfu has no doc (i mean tutorial or the like)
[09:02] <riri> i will try dapper in live and get ipkungfu
[09:03] <riri> if i can get network running i can delete mandriva ! lol
[09:03] <nixternal> network works great for me in dapper
[09:03] <riri> mandriva squid conf very easy
[09:03] <nixternal> ahh..good ol' squid
[09:04] <riri> how did you conf internet share ?
[09:04] <riri> linux is the server
[09:04] <riri> and xp the client
[09:05] <riri> i prefer too the dapper kde desktop ! lol
[09:05] <riri> at the moment i have a crystal look like vista
[09:05] <riri> but dapper is "personalized
[09:05] <nixternal> nice server
[09:06] <riri> is there a tool in dapper too conf share internet ?
[09:06] <nixternal> yes
[09:06] <nixternal> it is in the system setup
[09:06] <nixternal> thats what i did
[09:06] <nixternal> ...system settings > sharing
[09:07] <riri> ok
[09:07] <nixternal> works like a charm on my network
[09:07] <riri> then i should be able to manage it from livecd ?
[09:08] <nstar> i will install kubuntu 6.07 beta on my powermac g5 with 2 cpus.. how well does kubuntu support this platform? will there be any issues installling or using it? will it recognize and use both cpus?
[09:08] <nixternal> yes sir
[09:08] <nixternal> ow wow...just poke a fork in me with that question
[09:08] <nixternal> give me the powermac and let me test it...i will get back to you on that ;D
[09:08] <riri> nixternal i run my livecd see you later
[09:09] <nixternal> good luck riri
[09:09] <nixternal> cya l8r
[09:09] <riri> thanks
[09:09] <riri> 88
[09:09] <riri> chinese for baba (bye)
[09:10] <koroded> aptitude install libxine-extracodecs       for anyone having issues with amaroK and Dapper
[09:15] <dudemullet> hey dudes
[09:15] <nixternal> sup dudemullet
[09:15] <dudemullet> would any of you have a default breezey sources.list for the united states ?
[09:16] <nixternal> i don't
[09:16] <dudemullet> I got one but it links to "nz" updates are slow man
[09:16] <nstar> kubuntu dapper drake has good support for powermac g5?
[09:16] <nixternal> dapper here...and it isn't even default
[09:16] <dudemullet> tried replacing with "us"" and whont work
[09:16] <nixternal> actually...you can use the dapper one...just replace dapper with breezy...right?
[09:16] <nixternal> that is the only difference i believe
[09:16] <dudemullet> but what about the "nz" problemm ??
[09:17] <nixternal> mine has no nz problem...it is all us baby
[09:17] <nixternal> ;D
[09:17] <dudemullet> problem is the download is slow need connection for the united states server  :p
[09:17] <dudemullet> can I get a copy of yours ?
[09:17] <nixternal> sure can sir
[09:17] <hastesaver> !sources
[09:17] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:17] <nixternal> want me to zip and dcc
[09:17] <dudemullet> thanks ^_^
[09:17] <dudemullet> :O, thanks uboto
[09:17] <dudemullet> youu toooo nix
[09:19] <dudemullet> to tell you the truth I wouldnt even know how to use .zip right now(I'll eventually figure it out) this is my second day using linux
[09:19] <dudemullet> and Ive been punching in commands in the console like crazy, its so fun ^___^
[09:19] <nixternal> unzip
[09:21] <riri> ok nixternal i am on dapper  7 irc kopete
[09:21] <nixternal> there you go sir
[09:21] <nixternal> that was quick riri
[09:21] <riri> yes lol
[09:21] <riri> it works fine on livecd
[09:22] <riri> if i can share internet with xp i can even stay on livecd till the final release ! lol
[09:22] <riri> i am not used with sudo !
[09:23] <nixternal> ya..that is what is nice
[09:23] <nixternal> the live cd is great
[09:23] <glick> hey is dappster gonna come with a firewall configuration utility
[09:23] <glick> ?
[09:23] <riri> i guess : but i don't yet appreciate fully it :) lol
[09:23] <glick> err dapper
[09:23] <nixternal> i know what yo mean
[09:23] <nixternal> i had to run nubuntu forever cuz the installer wouldn't work on my lappy
[09:23] <nixternal> actually there isn't an installer...
[09:24] <glick> ?
[09:24] <nixternal> ubiquity worked...but the older one didn't
[09:25] <riri> i like the crystal kubuntu
[09:26] <nixternal> i like all of kubuntu...
[09:26] <riri> i made the corners round ! lol
[09:26] <nixternal> i have so many different themes running...i have no clue aymore
[09:26] <riri> i guess you are right...
[09:26] <nixternal> oh ya..the round corner..i like that too
[09:26] <hastesaver> glick, dapper, not dappster :p
[09:26] <nixternal> i use deep plastik for my color scheme...umm..i can't remember anythign else
[09:26] <riri> drap ??? lol
[09:27] <riri> i have a look
[09:27] <riri> you know i tried the fr forum but not answer ?
[09:27] <riri> i don't mind in english i can express myself :)
[09:28] <glick> damn i find kde to be so unstable.  Fo shizzle my nizzle
[09:28] <riri> aren't you from australia ?
[09:28] <riri> because you said "sir" ? lol
[09:28] <riri> nixt..
[09:28] <dudemullet> ^_^, my amarok is now playing mp3, Im so happy
[09:29] <dudemullet> first time linux user, sorry so noob
[09:30] <riri> good
[09:30] <nixternal> ya
[09:30] <riri> at least you make the step !
[09:30] <nixternal> sorry...i was gone
[09:30] <nixternal> haha
[09:30] <nixternal> im in the windy city...chicago that is
[09:30] <glick> wow so many first time linux users in here
[09:30] <glick> heh
[09:30] <riri> ok
[09:30] <nixternal> i always say sir...guess i like to ACT polite ;D
[09:30] <riri> lol
[09:30] <riri> you are right :)
[09:30] <riri> i never say it..
[09:31] <glick> i remimber back in he suse 5.4 days when linux didnt set up jack for you
[09:31] <nixternal> omg
[09:31] <riri> maybe bad french habit
[09:31] <nixternal> SuSe 5.4
[09:31] <glick> you wanted sound? go write a sound driver you lazy bum
[09:31] <nixternal> dude....i have the green disks right in front of me right now
[09:31] <nixternal> with the big dumb ass lizard
[09:31] <glick> heh yeah
[09:31] <nixternal> disk 1 through 5
[09:31] <nixternal> hahaha
[09:31] <riri> i started with version 1
[09:31] <nixternal> whoa
[09:31] <nixternal> i started with 5.4
[09:31] <dudemullet> SuSe sounds hardcore
[09:31] <riri> about 1993
[09:31] <nixternal> lol...i had used slackware and freebsd prior to it
[09:31] <glick> suse was hardcore back in the day
[09:31] <nixternal> and red hat
[09:32] <nixternal> and mandrake
[09:32] <nixternal> and...ummm...corel had a linux...was that mandrake?
[09:32] <riri> yes redhat
[09:32] <riri> no
[09:32] <glick> slackware will always have a special place in my heart
[09:32] <glick> i love slackware
[09:32] <riri> corel was very pretty
[09:32] <nixternal> same here glick
[09:32] <nixternal> ya it was
[09:32] <riri> but buggy ! lol
[09:32] <nixternal> and you couldn't compile a kernel in it for shit
[09:32] <nixternal> i never had so many problems...but it did look pretty
[09:32] <nixternal> lol
[09:33] <glick> i tried freebsd, could never warm up to it
[09:33] <riri> recently i install solaris
[09:33] <ahmeni> I still have Caldera Linux, back before SCO ruined them
[09:33] <nixternal> me either really.....i used it for a server and that was it
[09:33] <ahmeni> kernel 2.2, baby!
[09:33] <nixternal> caldera...good stuff there
[09:33] <riri> i started with sco
[09:33] <nixternal> i remember when caldera was considered the most stable and secure out of the box
[09:33] <riri> as I trained unix with it
[09:33] <glick> heh caldera back in the day used to come with the "linux for idiots' books
[09:33] <riri> lol
[09:34] <nixternal> actually...i got my caldera with a router i bought
[09:34] <riri> idiots or null nowadays
[09:34] <riri> same fights
[09:34] <nixternal> lol
[09:34] <glick> i tried mandrake too for a while
[09:34] <glick> but rpms are just pure crap
[09:34] <nixternal> wow...rpms
[09:34] <zerodni> hey has anyone tried smart package manager
[09:34] <glick> such a crappy system
[09:34] <nixternal> haha ya glick..i can't stand um
[09:34] <glick> i never tried redhat
[09:34] <nixternal> rpm this and rpm that...and 89% of the time they didn't work
[09:34] <riri> i am sticking to mandriva because my internet sharing
[09:34] <glick> i think i was put off by their stupid logo
[09:35] <glick> its a red hat for godsake!
[09:35] <nixternal> whoa riri...no luck with the sharing?
[09:35] <markc> is there a known problem with upgrading openssh-client (dapper) ? I'm getting a -> unable to make backup link of `./usr/bin/ssh' before installing new version: Operation not permitted
[09:35] <riri> i am trying (after blabla ) lol
[09:35] <nixternal> nope..i just updated mine and used it right away markc
[09:35] <KDEfanboy> is it safe to just clean out /var/cache/apt/archives/ with rm or is there a standard way to do get rid of apt's cache?
[09:36] <ahmeni> apt-get clean
[09:36] <nixternal> there ya go
[09:36] <nixternal> i brain farted on that one
[09:36] <markc> nixternal> thanks, good to know, maybe I've got old debian crap on this box
[09:36] <KDEfanboy> worked like a charm
[09:37] <glick> didnt old suse use .debs before switching to rpms?
[09:37] <riri> nix where do i conf internet sharing ?
[09:37] <riri> system setting ?
[09:37] <nixternal> ya markc...i just tried it again...all i had to do was recreate my key and that was it
[09:38] <riri> nixt... i have two card eth0 which is dhcp for internet
[09:39] <nixternal> k
[09:39] <riri> and eth1 which i want ip fix 192.168.0.1
[09:39] <nixternal> and eth1 which is ...ya
[09:39] <markc> nixternal> would you mind checking what /usr/bin/ssh is on your system... a file or link ?
[09:39] <nixternal> sure
[09:40] <nixternal> OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-7ubuntu3, OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005
[09:40] <markc> I just got dpkg - warning: while removing openssh-client, unable to remove directory `/usr/bin/ssh': Operation not permitted - directory may be a mount point ?
[09:40] <markc> directory ?
[09:41] <nixternal> hmm
[09:42] <markc> and I just remembered, this box is a fresh install via debootstrap a week ago
[09:42] <nixternal> that is an odd one there
[09:42] <nixternal> it isn't in your fstab or mtab at all is it??? why it would be in there i wouldn't know....but for some reason it sees it as a possible mount point
[09:42] <nixternal> i haven't seen that error..that i know of
[09:43] <markc> nixternal> so what is your /usr/bin/ssh .. a file or link ?
[09:43] <nixternal> arg
[09:43] <nixternal> file
[09:43] <nixternal> no link
[09:43] <nixternal> sorry
[09:43] <nixternal> it is a file
[09:43] <markc> nixternal> ahh, and pointing to where ?
[09:43] <nixternal> it is a file..not a link...im fallin' asleep here...sorry bout that
[09:44] <markc> nixternal> heh, np, appreciate the input
[09:44] <nixternal> wish i could be of more help to ya
[09:44] <nixternal> sudo dpkg ?
[09:44] <nixternal> doin' it with root, sudo, or fakeroot?
[09:44] <markc> root
[09:44] <nixternal> hmm
[09:45] <markc> everything else updated okay
[09:45] <nixternal> except for ssh huh
[09:45] <nixternal> you update through adept?
[09:45] <markc> yes... openssh-client
[09:45] <nixternal> i just did it...not even an hour ago
[09:45] <markc> apt-get
[09:45] <nixternal> i didn't have a problem
[09:46] <nixternal> my adept let me know i had updates...so i went ahead and did them...openssh was the top one
[09:46] <markc> I did a bebootstrap install about a week ago, an update the next day... this is a non-gui server
[09:46] <nixternal> ya...my /usr/bin/ssh shows -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 237932 2006-05-17 19:43 /usr/bin/ssh
[09:47] <nixternal> oh...k...still...
[09:47] <nixternal> it should have worked with the apt-get install
[09:47] <nixternal> unless it got corrupted in the download
[09:47] <markc> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1233947 Mar  1 17:43 /usr/bin/ssh
[09:47] <nixternal> which wouldn't be a first on something corrupting on me that way
[09:47] <markc> my file size is way different
[09:47] <nixternal> way freakin' different
[09:47] <nixternal> lol
[09:48] <nixternal> is that sayin' 1gb ssh file?
[09:48] <nixternal> lol
[09:48] <markc> okay, so I must have done the debootstrap 18 days ago!
[09:48] <markc> time flies
[09:48] <nixternal> hehe...yes it does
[09:49] <riri> nixternal i have setup my network card but no internet on eth1
[09:49] <nixternal> hmmm...are you routing eth0 to eth1
[09:49] <nixternal> i just shut down my system too
[09:49] <riri> i guess
[09:49] <nixternal> lol....
[09:50] <riri> i don't know what means routing
[09:50] <nixternal> you need to setup the routing portion....
[09:50] <nixternal> one sec so i can remember
[09:50] <riri> i use eth0 internet for eth1
[09:50] <riri> yes
[09:50] <riri> i guess
[09:50] <riri> or squid ?
[09:50] <markc> argh! -> /dev/hda5 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro)
[09:50] <nixternal> i usually just route everything
[09:50] <markc> friggin, read-only root partition
[09:51] <nixternal> route --help for all the commands
[09:51] <nixternal> also...squid is in the kubuntu repositories...so it could always be installed
[09:52] <riri> routes has default gateway 85.69.101.254
[09:52] <nixternal> that is eth0
[09:52] <riri> yes
[09:52] <nixternal> now your 192.168.0.1 needs to route to your eth0 ip...
[09:52] <riri> it should be 192.168.0.1 on eth1
[09:52] <nixternal> omg i am so drawing a blank
[09:53] <riri> may be i should set it to gate way ? i mean eth0 to eth1
[09:54] <nixternal> your eth1 gateway should be your eth0 ip address
[09:54] <nixternal> no no no
[09:54] <nixternal> im wrong
[09:54] <nixternal> you can't do that
[09:54] <nixternal> cuz of nat
[09:56] <nixternal> i know you need to set FORWARD_IPVR AND FORWARD_IPV6 to true...can't remember where....
[09:56] <nixternal> then you need to run iptables
[09:56] <nixternal> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE .....ummmm can't remember....brain is crashing
[09:56] <riri> i put default gateway i will see
[09:56] <nixternal> i think bill gates got into my head today...i had to ctrl+alt+del so many times
[09:57] <riri> are you on xp ?
[09:57] <nixternal> it's 3am...do you know where your computer is?
[09:57] <nixternal> cuz i sure don't
[09:57] <nixternal> ummm...
[09:58] <nixternal> i remember an echo command...for ip_forward....i remember the iptables to a point....
[09:58] <riri> i will follow the ubuntu network setup
[09:58] <nixternal> just know that it can be done....im just exhausted right now...and i can't remember
[09:58] <crimsun> echo -n 1 |sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[09:58] <riri> it's just a bit difficult
[09:58] <nixternal> yes yes
[09:58] <nixternal> thank you crimsun
[09:59] <riri> thanks
[09:59] <nixternal> hey guys...i hate to jet...but i got to get some sleep...i will be back on later today...so prepare to pull your pant legs up..cuz i can make the bs get deep
[10:00] <nixternal> good night ya'll.....good talkin' to you all
[10:00] <riri> good night
[10:17] <_pablo> hello
[10:17] <Hobbsee> hi _pablo
[10:19] <_pablo> have you glasses and table cover whit squares?
[10:20] <bilford> how do you configure Kate so it doesnt show those left side panes
[10:20] <Hobbsee> hit f9?
[10:21] <bilford> I dont want to do that every time I open a file
[10:21] <ahmeni> save the session and it should save your layout
[10:21] <bilford> ok ty
[10:22] <bilford> yes, that works
[10:24] <ahmeni> Is there a repository I have to enable to get kaffeine-gstreamer?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> !info kaffeine-gstreamer
[10:25] <ubotu> kaffeine-gstreamer: (gstreamer engine for kaffeine media player), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.7-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 240 kB
[10:25] <Hobbsee> ahmeni: if it's not already there, try adding multiverse
[10:29] <ahmeni> I've got multiverse enabled.. looks like it might not be in dapper yet, though
[10:30] <Hobbsee> !info kaffeine-gstreamer dapper
[10:30] <Hobbsee> i suspect it got taken out then...
[10:39] <YaH00> you can already ship CDS, they will be shipped in early June. https://shipit.kubuntu.org
[10:40] <satempler> after an update in Kubuntu Dapper I no longer have a battery monitor tried to start it via the control panel but it hasn't come back even when on battery do i need apm running I have ACPI running and my laptop is recent and supports ACPI
[10:41] <crazy_penguin> 'morning all
[10:43] <satempler> hey crazy_penguin can you help me
[10:43] <crazy_penguin> i can try
[10:43] <crazy_penguin> shot
[10:43] <crazy_penguin> one sec
[10:44] <satempler> you see what I posted right
[10:44] <crazy_penguin> no you don't need apm
[10:44] <satempler> ok
[10:44] <satempler> well what gives
[10:44] <satempler> its checked in the settings to show it
[10:45] <satempler> i try to run klaptop_check and i get BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[10:45] <satempler> this is a first
[10:50] <satempler> after an update in Kubuntu Dapper I no longer have a battery monitor tried to start it via the control panel but it hasn't come back even when on battery do i need apm running I have ACPI running and my laptop is recent and supports ACPI
[11:03] <hab> I am running Kubuntu. When I turn off my PC, I could still hear the fan running. Any sugg
[11:04] <satempler> hab its probly in a sleep mode
[11:04] <satempler> after an update in Kubuntu Dapper I no longer have a battery monitor tried to start it via the control panel but it hasn't come back even when on battery do i need apm running I have ACPI running and my laptop is recent and supports ACPI
[11:05] <hab> no no, I actually, call for turning off the PC. Even if I click on CTRL-ALT-SHIFT PgDN
[11:06] <satempler> wow
[11:07] <satempler> hmm
[11:07] <hab> may be a bug?!!
[11:07] <satempler> is it the CPU fan or the PS fan or the gfx fan or the case fan ;)
[11:08] <satempler> hab works fine on my latop kinda
[11:09] <hab> Almost all fan. I am sure of CPU, extrra fan, PS and there is power to the CD Drive. When I turn off the PC I could hear a click indicating that the PC off. The monitor goes blank but the fans are on
[11:10] <satempler> well that could indicate a soft suspend
[11:10] <satempler> but that dosn't make since
[11:11] <hab> soft suspend???
[11:11] <satempler> it could also be that it turned every thing off but forgot some things
[11:11] <satempler> ya suspend to ram
[11:11] <hab> This thing happend after Breezy to Dapper upgrade
[11:11] <satempler> the system still is drawing power to keep the ram alive
[11:12] <hab> How can I fix it or force it off.
[11:12] <hab> I tried kernel para acpi=force -- no help
[11:13] <satempler> well are you on a laptop
[11:13] <hab> no desktop
[11:13] <satempler> ok well acpi isn't needed
[11:14] <satempler> unplug the computer then plug it back in
[11:14] <satempler> on boot hit esc to get to the boot menu
[11:14] <hab> ok. hmm. for that reason everytime I add it to kernel, grub does not like it and it actually removes it
[11:15] <satempler> then hit e to go into esit mode then add acpi=no at the end of the kernel line
[11:15] <hab> I see
[11:15] <satempler> then hit enter\
[11:15] <hab> I will off to try it. I will wait until you tell me go
[11:16] <satempler> ok
[11:16] <satempler> go for it
[11:16] <hab> ok --- off
[11:17] <slow-motion> bbl
[11:21] <dawynn> Did grub lose its ability to show pictures?
[11:22] <dawynn> Or do I just not have something set right?
[11:23] <hastesaver> dawynn, 1. did you have it and it went away, or it hasn't been there at all? 2. Try installing the package grub-splashimages
[11:24] <dawynn> I had my own picture there and it went away.  I don't exactly remember what all I did to get it to do that.
[11:24] <dawynn> I did install grub-splashimages, but then a couple upgrades later, we're back to text-only.
[11:27] <dawynn> I'll do some more research on my own.  Meanwhile -- next question...
[11:28] <dawynn> How is the delay of Dapper expected to impact future releases?  Will they move to June / December releases?  Or is the whole 6 month thing thrown out the window now?
[11:30] <hab> satempler are you there
[11:30] <hab> acpi=no did not work
[11:33] <hastesaver> dawynn, AFAIK, Eft will be released in October, and they'll return to the old April/October schedule.
[11:33] <dawynn> cool
[11:34] <Steven_M> hi all
[11:35] <mardi> hello
[11:41] <Jack314> hi
[11:41] <mardi> hiya jack
[11:42] <Jack314> i got a problem with kopete 0.11.93 or 0.12 beta 2
[11:42] <mardi> i can't help ya, sorry, i'm a linux newbie
[11:43] <Jack314> i get sometimes status not available with certain contacts, they change from buddy folder to individuals or contacts just disappear
[11:43] <Jack314> and
[11:43] <Jack314> how would i install those kopete now listening scripts
[11:43] <Jack314> ?
[11:44] <Jack314> thx anyway mardi
[11:44] <mardi> plus i use gaim :p
[11:44] <Steven_M> Is it too late to submit to feature requests for the final release of Dapper?
[11:44] <Jack314> kopete works with kontact thats cool and has a lot of features
[11:44] <visik7> gaim is the only gtk app I've to use
[11:45] <visik7> 'couse kopete sucks on msn protocol
[11:45] <Phleagor> what about amsn?
[11:45] <mardi> i've yet try kontact, i'm new to kde too
[11:45] <mardi> *yet to try...
[11:45] <Phleagor> http://amsn.sourceforge.net/
[11:45] <Jack314> no way Phleagor i want a multimessenger
[11:45] <visik7> Phleagor: amsn would be great if it support more than msn protocol an wasn't in tcl
[11:46] <Phleagor> yes, i'm using gaim, too
[11:46] <Jack314> guys how would i install those scripts xxx.sh in kopete
[11:47] <Jack314> ?
[11:47] <Phleagor> btw...is there a way to get the taskbar in KDE transparent?
[11:47] <Phleagor> i mean when i have windows opened
[11:47] <Jack314> this now listening to script
[11:47] <Phleagor> the fields are grey
[11:47] <Jack314> Phleagor u mean the kicker?
[11:47] <Jack314> u have to go to system settings Phleagor
[11:47] <Phleagor> the kicker is already transparent
[11:47] <Phleagor> i mean the fields in the tasbar
[11:48] <Jack314> u mean the open minimized windows aof apps?
[11:48] <hastesaver> wow, my Kopete crashes on Settings->Configure
[11:48] <Jack314> hastesaver hi
[11:48] <Jack314> hastesaver u got the 0.12 beta 2 kopete too?
[11:48] <Phleagor> yes
[11:49] <Jack314> i get sometimes status not available with certain contacts, they change from buddy folder to individuals or contacts just disappear hastesaver
[11:49] <Jack314> i get mad
[11:49] <hastesaver> Jack314, no, sorry
[11:50] <Jack314> how would i install those kopete now listening scripts?
[11:50] <hastesaver> Jack314, it's already there in Settings->Configure plugins for me
[11:50] <Phleagor> http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6052/snapshot36jk.png
[11:51] <Phleagor> the grey fields i mean
[11:51] <Phleagor> under the names of the windows
[11:51] <Steven_M> Which e-mail address should i send a feature request for Dapper to?
[11:51] <Jack314> under configure i have only accounts appearance behaviour devices identity hastesaver
[11:53] <hastesaver> Jack314, I don't know then, sorry
[11:53] <hastesaver> Jack314, I don't use Kopete, I usually use Gaim
[11:53] <Phleagor> noone knows?
[11:54] <hastesaver> Why doesn't Kopete allow me to add myself to my contacts?
[11:54] <Jack314> hastesaver http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=33503 how would i install a plugin like this if there is no make script and stuff?
[11:57] <hastesaver> Jack314, I really don't know :) But it looks like that script is supposed to be installed in Amarok or something. As I said, I have no idea
[11:58] <Jack314> thx no it just requires the libxmms hastesaver
[12:00] <hastesaver> Does Kopete only allow you to be logged in to one account at a time??
[12:01] <Jack314> no it connects rather to metacontacts persons than a messenger hastesaver meaning that u actually dont realize which messenger u use
[12:02] <hastesaver> Jack314, and why doesn't it allow me to add myself as a contact?
[12:02] <hastesaver> Jack314, nevermind that, how do I set up my accounts?
[12:03] <Jack314> configure accounts new..hastesaver
[12:05] <hastesaver> Jack314, ah, my configure is crashing :)
[12:05] <Jack314> hastesaver i read in the handbook that i schould have under settings configure plugins..where are the settings?
[12:07] <hastesaver> Jack314, you're using the beta, maybe it's different there. In mine, at the top, I see File/Edit/Settings/Help
[12:08] <Jack314> hastesaver i am a twat
[12:09] <Jack314> hastesaver in configure toolbar u have to select now which u wanna be showed and it applies to the configure plugins too
[12:09] <Jack314> they did a good job hiding their features
[12:10] <hastesaver> Jack314, yes
[12:10] <hastesaver> Jack314, huh? Settings->Configure plugins
[12:10] <Jack314> thanh you so much
[12:10] <hastesaver> Jack314, what could be less hidden than that? Where else would you put it?
[12:12] <Jack314> hastesaver no settings i still dont have that
[12:13] <Jack314> in the whole menu it isnt
[12:13] <Jack314> it just appears there where u can configure yours special keys
[12:13] <hastesaver> Jack314, then you must have removed them yourself, because it's there by default in mine :)
[12:14] <Jack314> hm maybe it disappeared cause i got a new skin
[12:14] <Jack314> well u dont have the 0.12 beta
[12:16] <mardi> i run glxgears and i see them but i don't get fps in konsole, anyone know why?
[12:17] <hastesaver> mardi, I've never got the fps in console either... maybe it's a option you have to specify to glxgears
[12:17] <mardi> hrm, i'm reading forums now, i'll let you know if i figure it out
[12:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> GRRRR, anybody had ever used dlink wireless router? i have an orrible ping time.. from 1 to 2 seconds... :(
[12:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it's weird because the ping time with the router itself is only 20ms
[12:37] <mardi> hastesaver: still here?
[12:37] <hastesaver> mardi, yes
[12:37] <hastesaver> mardi, found it?
[12:37] <mardi> i have no idea why, or why it was so hard to find, but here it is:
[12:38] <mardi> glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[12:38] <mardi> i ran that and i get fps output in konsole now
[12:39] <hastesaver> mardi, that doesn't work for me either :)
[12:39] <mardi> running it sudo?
[12:39] <hastesaver> mardi, although it doesn't complain about unknown parameter..
[12:40] <mardi> i dunno, works here now
[12:40] <hastesaver> mardi, oh, let me try sudo
[12:40] <hastesaver> mardi, no, sudo didn't work either
[12:40] <hastesaver> mardi, nevermind, thanks
[12:40] <mardi> 26371 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5274.026 FPS
[12:40] <mardi> 26479 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5295.672 FPS
[12:40] <mardi> 24210 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4841.851 FPS
[12:41] <mardi> hrm, well, good luck, here is the page where i found it: http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=2539
[12:42] <hastesaver> mardi, oh, it actually works, I guess I was too impatient and closed it too soon the first time.. thanks!
[12:42] <mardi> great :)
[12:43] <hastesaver> mardi, and that's a great FPS, I only get about 430 :(
[12:43] <mardi> i just put in the xorg ati drivers via adept
[12:44] <hastesaver> mardi, that's because you're using an ATI card, I presume :)
[12:44] <hastesaver> mardi, strange, I'm getting 1100 now (the earlier one was sudo)
[12:44] <mardi> hehe yes, and asus readon 9600xt
[12:45] <mardi> well, from what i've read, glxgears isin't a good performance benchmark...
[12:45] <mardi> i should get a game to play
[12:46] <hastesaver> as the commandline option suggests ;)
[12:46] <mardi> arrr
[12:57] <mardi> i like kubuntu
[12:59] <Riddell> Shipit! https://shipit.kubuntu.org/
[01:04] <Xemanth^> how can i modify how kubuntu&kde mounts my usb2 hdds? now they don't have exec flag :|
[01:06] <Xemanth^> i mean automount stuff
[01:06] <Xemanth^> kde recognices that i attach lacie hdd and mounts it automatically
[01:25] <ubuntu> hi everybody
[01:26] <ubuntu> I'm trying to install kubuntu dapper from live cd flight 7, encountered bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/43125
[01:26] <ubuntu> what should I do now?
[01:28] <ubuntu> anybody, any hints?
[01:30] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: tried the way at the bottom of the page ? In that bug report ?
[01:31] <_thumper_> attempting to install sun-jdk from multiverse using adept
[01:32] <_thumper_> after watching it for ages stuck at 20% I clicked on show details
[01:32] <_thumper_> there is a message showing expecting me to select <Ok>
[01:32] <_thumper_> How?
[01:32] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: where can I find the bug fix COlin Watson provided?
[01:33] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: I can't find the most recent install cd
[01:35] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:35] <ubuntu> thanks :)
[01:36] <_thumper_> do I have to revert to the command line to install java?
[01:39] <tcs> Hi
[01:39] <tcs> I did an install of Kubuntu dapper drake beta 2 from the livecd
[01:39] <tcs> I would like to update my kernel
[01:40] <tcs> A lot of stuff is missing though and I can't run make config...
[01:41] <_thumper_> does anyone here know adept?
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> tcs: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/90 - you are better off building it the debian way - you need to install build-essential and linux-source as a minimum
[01:53] <cybereden> hello!
[01:53] <cybereden> latest firefox repo pls
[01:53] <hastesaver> !firefox1.5
[01:53] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[01:54] <hastesaver> cybereden, follow the instructions there... Breezy doesn't have 1.5 in the official repos, Dapper does
[01:54] <cybereden> got breezy
[01:54] <hastesaver> cybereden, so follow the instructions on that page :)
[01:54] <cybereden> thank you
[01:55] <cybereden> got breezy, can i upgrade to final dapper later on?
[01:55] <hastesaver> cybereden, yes.
[01:55] <hastesaver> !upgrade
[01:55] <ubotu> methinks upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[01:57] <cybereden> what's bleeding edge?
[01:57] <h3sp4wn> unstable
[01:57] <h3sp4wn> (sometimes)
[01:58] <hastesaver> cybereden, newest
[02:00] <Ketorad> k
[02:00] <cybereden> i was able to make the latest firefox work with my sys by just following ff's instructions. i just want to know if there's like a repo that i can refer to to make things easier u know
[02:00] <zblach> hey
[02:01] <zblach> quick question. what are the correct parameters needed for full rw on a fat32 partition?
[02:07] <paran> zblach: vfat (fat32) file systems are mounted read-write by default
[02:10] <_jeff> bom dia
[02:10] <_jeff> algum brasileiro na rea?
[02:12] <zblach> paran: and what would those parameters be? it seems not to want me to write
[02:12] <zblach> mounts on boot
[02:15] <munzir> Hi, any one here managed to compile  a qt application in kubuntu dapper? I get messages like main.o: In function `main':main.cpp:(.text+0x29): undefined reference to `QApplication::QApplication(int&, char**)'
[02:25] <kothz> 'lo folks
[02:26] <kothz> anyone have any experience with kubuntu 5.1 and krdc connecting to a win2k3 box?  can do it fine from windoze boxes, and RHEL boxes, but not from my kubuntu laptop running krdc
[02:27] <kothz> no meaningful error message beside 'check that rdesktop is installed correctly'
[02:27] <kothz> (rdesktop doesn't SEEM to be installed at all, and isn't available from apt-get?)
[02:32] <mhterres_> morning
[02:34] <rosen_> how do i mount an mp3 player?
[02:34] <zblach> rosen_: how're you plugged in?
[02:34] <rosen_> firewire
[02:34] <rosen_> but i solwed it the quick way :P
[02:34] <zblach> ok. nvm
[02:34] <rosen_> just took it out and plugged it in again
[02:34] <rosen_> :P
[02:34] <rosen_> thnx anyway
[02:35] <zblach> np
[02:35] <aftertaf> kothz: firewall blocking port 1433?
[02:36] <rosen_> new question, how do i put music on my ipod without using amarok
[02:36] <aftertaf> plug in, mount, copy with konqueror... ?
[02:37] <kothz> lemme take a look (it's pretty well much a default install of kubuntu) sec
[02:38] <rosen_> doez it work that way because the ipod doesnt support ums?
[02:39] <xst> My "dapper" update-manager is broken even though I have never touched a thing. The update manager is apparently freezing with the "Preparing..." and the progress indicator. But it never proceeds. What to do?
[02:40] <Bizzy> does anyone else have an nforce4 motherboard?
[02:42] <xst> When trying to do a manual upgrade with apt-get, I get: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[02:53] <Pupeno> Hello.
[02:53] <Pupeno> Is there any notebook-and-tablet-pc that works to some degree with Kubuntu ?
[02:55] <Bizzy> as long as its x86, x64 or powerpc, it works
[02:56] <Pupeno> but I mean if the tablet-features works to some extend.
[02:56] <Pupeno> something like this: http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10000001&catalogId=-840&langId=-1&categoryId=4611686018425021052
[02:56] <Bizzy> like?
[02:57] <Pupeno> being able to use the touch sensitive screen ? being able to use hand-writting recognition.
[02:57] <Bizzy> you mean like the touchpad?
[02:57] <Pupeno> yes.
[02:57] <Bizzy> erm, id check if your manufacturer does linux drivers first, if they dont.. wait around and ask
[02:57] <Bizzy> i know linux supports touch screens
[03:01] <tcs> How come I get an authorization failure when using SU to switch to root but sudo works?
[03:01] <rohan> grrr.. how do i select one PC and one 64bit cd on shipit.kubuntu.org ?
[03:01] <v3ctor> did you set a root password?
[03:01] <v3ctor> tcs ^^
[03:01] <Bizzy> you dont
[03:01] <Bizzy> you dont use root
[03:01] <Bizzy> you use sudo
[03:02] <tcs> It never asked me for a root password
[03:02] <OlliK> tcs: don't use su
[03:02] <tcs> Let's say I need to, how would I?
[03:02] <OlliK> tcs: In Ubuntu/kubuntu, try to get used to live without using su
[03:03] <Hobbsee> !+sudo
[03:03] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[03:03] <OlliK> tcs: It is possible to return the normal root-user
[03:03] <h3sp4wn> tcs: sudo -i
[03:03] <tcs> sudo -i
[03:03] <Bizzy> sudo is also a type of fake tan
[03:03] <OlliK> tcs: But I recommend you to just use sudo whenever you need root priviledges
[03:03] <Bizzy> :)
[03:03] <rohan> sorry kubuntu, i had to select 10 cds .. whereas i wanted only one amd64 and one i386 ...
[03:03] <tcs> I did it before once
[03:03] <tcs> is it echo "password" /etc/passwd
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> Don't do that
[03:04] <rohan> shit i will need to do that for ubuntu too
[03:04] <rohan> too bad
[03:04] <rohan> :(
[03:04] <rohan> and, kubuntu isnt shipping ppc cd's ?
[03:04] <OlliK> tcs: but if you really want to enable the root account, just type: sudo passwd root
[03:05] <OlliK> tcs: and then disable it later by typing: sudo passwd -l root
[03:05] <rohan> but you shouldnt enable root on kubuntu ! or ubuntu
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> Its only worthwhile enabling it on another machine to a desktop
[03:05] <OlliK> tcs: But basically you should not have any need to do that, as you can do every command you need with sudo
[03:06] <markc> OlliK> sure but you have to type sudo all the time and for intense admin stuff that is a royal PITA
[03:07] <rohan> hmm.. no one told the announce mailing list that shipit is open :-/
[03:07] <OlliK> markc: not for me, I'm a quite fast typer and I type sudo in some milliseconds, which causes no trouble at all
[03:07] <OlliK> markc: after all, sudo and one space is together just 5 characters
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> For example if you have a script that needs to run on another machine as root - You can't have the root account disabled and still get in using key based authentication
[03:07] <OlliK> markc: I prefer to type those 5 characters more often and keep the system secure
[03:09] <klerfayt> you could use root konsole
[03:09] <OlliK> yes, that's one option
[03:09] <klerfayt> if you hate sudo at beginning
[03:10] <OlliK> I think it's just best to get used to typing the sudo :)
[03:11] <rohan> OlliK: yep, you really dont have any reason to disable sudo, or enable root password :-/
[03:11] <OlliK> anyway it's not needed so much in normal use
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> OlliK: when you use sudo what is the value of $HOME ?
[03:12] <OlliK> h3sp4wn: the user's home
[03:12] <OlliK> h3sp4wn: why?
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> When you use sudo -i it gets changed to /root - I would expect su to keep $HOME as the users home and 'su -' to reset it as root but linux in general doesn't seem to do that
[03:16] <rohan> h3sp4wn: does, for su
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> It doesn't I have just tested it
[03:18] <rohan> me too :P works on debian sid, frugalware, arch
[03:21] <markc> OlliK> I would argue the "more secure" part because with sudo there could be many users all with access to privileges via sudo but with a root password and no sudo capability there is only ever a single user and password with root priviledges... I'd rather trust a sigle identity than many potential sudo users
[03:23] <h3sp4wn> rohan: I have tested it on ubuntu-server and I know its the same on gentoo and it doesn't work as expected - http://pastebin.com/724519 - $HOME should stay as what its set as with su the environment variables should only be re read with su -
[03:24] <OlliK> markc: Well that all depends on how the system is used
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> rohan: Can you pastebin the output of debian-sid doing the same thing - When you are writing scripts it can cause unexpected behavior if certain things aren't done which I think is relevant to ubuntu-server
[03:25] <OlliK> markc: For me, the computer is used only by me and my girlfriend, so I don't have problem of having multiple users
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> You can't use sudo unless you are in the admin group anyway
[03:27] <markc> OlliK> sure, a carefully crafted sudo setup that only allows the minimum access to certain procedures _could_ be safer but the way ubuntu uses sudo, especially the mantra that goes with it, is not necessarily safer than plain root perms and no sudo at all
[03:28] <markc> OlliK> you have a situation where someone else, your gf even, could total your machine!
[03:28] <h3sp4wn> not if she isn't in the admin group
[03:28] <OlliK> markc: yes. A good user who knows the system well, can keep the normal system very safe as he won't log in as root unles it's really necessary
[03:28] <OlliK> markc: but this sudo-style might be better for beginners and prevent the possibility that they accidently use root user
[03:29] <markc> OlliK> yes, but the way ubuntu uses it allows ANY OTHER USER to total the system, that is NOT safer than no sudo at all
[03:30] <chowells> users have to be in the admin group before they can issue commands as root
[03:30] <OlliK> markc: ok
[03:31] <mhterres> Riddell> ping
[03:31] <OlliK> ponh
[03:33] <Riddell> mhterres: hi
[03:34] <mhterres> Just one question:
[03:34] <mhterres> can I request 10 CDs from Ubuntu and 10 CDs from Kubuntu ?
[03:34] <Riddell> yes
[03:34] <mhterres> I did this, but I'm in doubt
[03:34] <mhterres> oh great !!!
[03:34] <mhterres> :-D
[03:36] <alessandro_> Hi
[03:36] <alessandro_> somebody know how can I import contact in kmail from evolution without having evolution?
[03:37] <nox-Hand> Hey
[03:37] <nox-Hand> I need some help with usplash..
[03:37] <nox-Hand> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto?highlight=%28usplash%29 <-- I have this guide, and I want this >> http://www.sector-42.frih.net/docs/images/test2.png << image as my boot screen, but I want to be sure that I have done the first thing correct (( colours need changing? ))
[03:38] <mhterres> Riddel: where can I see the cover art of the CDs ?
[03:40] <nox-Hand> brb
[03:41] <mhterres> Riddel: is it available online ?
[03:42] <xwolf-> is there a kubuntu mac os theme?
[03:44] <markc> how do I specify kubuntu CDs at https://shipit.ubuntu.com/myrequest ?
[03:45] <rohan> official and final amarok 1.4.0 wont be included in dapper ?
[03:45] <dbglt> hello :)
[03:45] <rohan> hi dbglt
[03:46] <dbglt> hi just a quick question... is there a quick/supported way to utilise multimedia keys? Or do I have to manually map them (add into xmodmap)
[03:46] <dbglt> using latest kubuntu and such
[03:48] <Lynoure> dbglt: I had to modmap them, dunno whether there would have been some easier way in kubuntu
[03:48] <dbglt> Lynoure: used xev to get each keycode and such?
[03:48] <Lynoure> dbglt: they work pretty much out of the box in ubuntu, though, I've been told
[03:48] <dbglt> I'm sure there is an easier way, but I can't remember it
[03:48] <dbglt> Lynoure: not here!
[03:48] <Lynoure> dbglt: you tried ubuntu and kubuntu?
[03:48] <dbglt> Lynoure: (or I've screwed around with it, and broken it, more likely)
[03:49] <dbglt> but they haven't worked from the time I first installed
[03:49] <dbglt> Lynoure: yeah tried ubuntu, then switched to kubuntu
[03:49] <Lynoure> hmm
[03:50] <Lynoure> then it might be they are unknown on your laptop...
[03:50] <Lynoure> dbglt: in that case reporting the keycodes and make/model/version to the laptop test team might be helpful.
[03:51] <dbglt> Lynoure: oh no, it's not a laptop, just a keyboard with the special keys
[03:52] <Lynoure> dbglt: Oh, I've heard those are not very standard...
[03:52] <swoke> Anyone knows which packages needs to be installed to avoid this : "Can't find X includes" ?
[03:52] <swoke> (when ./configure)
[03:53] <Lynoure> dbglt: that's why in the window side there is often some extraspecial driver for setting them. So, showkeys or xev, and xmodmap in .kde/Autostart
[03:53] <swoke> I'm trying to install kovpn but fails on configure :(
[03:54] <thoreauputic> swoke: xlibs-dev or x-window-system-dev from memory
[03:54] <thoreauputic> !info xlibs-dev
[03:54] <ubotu> xlibs-dev: (X Window System client library development files transitional package), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 6.8.2-77 (breezy), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[03:54] <thoreauputic> !info x-window-system-dev
[03:54] <ubotu> x-window-system-dev: (X Window System development components), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-77.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[03:55] <Lynoure> dbglt: And if you are feeling nice, put the codes and myabe even the modmap file to somewhere online, so that other people with the same keyboard can get the codes&solution easily. :)
[03:56] <dbglt> Lynoure: ok. I'll do that. Thankyou :)
[03:57] <swoke> thoreauputic: Thanks, gonna try right now.
[03:57] <Lynoure> dbglt: It was a pleasure to be of help :)
[03:58] <thoreauputic> swoke: :)
[03:58] <swoke> thoreauputic: Damn, now, I got QT error :-
[03:58] <swoke> But one step is passed, thanks again ! :)
[03:59] <thoreauputic> swoke: apt-cache search libqt | grep dev
[03:59] <wquay> hi
[03:59] <thoreauputic> swoke: use the same approach for other dev libraries
[04:00] <swoke> thoreauputic: Yep, okay ! :)
[04:00] <thoreauputic> swoke: i.e. apt-cache search libfoo | grep dev
[04:00] <swoke> Thanks !
[04:00] <thoreauputic> no problem :)
[04:00] <h3sp4wn> !tell swoke about apt-file
[04:01] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: that would help if the thing he is compiling was in the repos - I guess it also is more accurate for finding the package that ./configure is complaining about as well - not a bad way to do it..
[04:02] <thoreauputic> hmm - yes apt-file is a better short cut
[04:02] <markc> doh, of course, if I want kubuntu CDs I need to go to https://shipit.kubuntu.com/myrequest
[04:02] <wasp_ems> hi is there anyone who can help me set up ktorrent?cause i get an error when i try and download something
[04:02] <swoke> Thanks h3sp4wn
[04:04] <h3sp4wn> thoreauputic: I usually use apt-cache search because its faster (but not as comprehensive - occasionally for some reason something is not in) but nailoth gives apt-file as the standard way to do what he wants but its pretty slow
[04:04] <swoke> WORKS !!!
[04:04] <swoke> \o/
[04:06] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: yes - on the other hand it will find packages according to file name - which is very useful at times
[04:07] <adriano> giorno
[04:07] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: especially since dpkg -S only searches locally installed packages
[04:07] <adriano> here the language is it or eng?
[04:07] <admin__> haha uber hax ftw ?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> adriano: english here
[04:07] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:08] <adriano> ok ty
[04:08] <adriano> well,i have a problem
[04:08] <thoreauputic> !it
[04:08] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:08] <adriano> ok ok
[04:08] <adriano> eng is ok
[04:08] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:08] <thoreauputic> OK
[04:08] <adriano> i have a problem
[04:08] <adriano> my adept says that the last version of firefox is 1.0.8
[04:09] <adriano> i want the 1.5
[04:09] <thoreauputic> adriano: correct for breezy
[04:09] <thoreauputic> !ff1.5
[04:09] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[04:09] <adriano> how i can get the unstable repositories?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> adriano: see above
[04:09] <adriano> no,firefox is only a problem
[04:09] <adriano> i want to have the best last repository
[04:09] <thoreauputic> adriano: if you want the latest, install dapper
[04:09] <adriano> is not a problem the stability
[04:10] <thoreauputic> !dapper
[04:10] <ubotu> **** News Flash **** Dapper has its own channel #ubuntu+1 please join there for dapper (the beta of the next release) configuration, install, or other conversation, dapper will be in this channel from 1st June :-) BUT not until then
[04:10] <adriano> i dont want to install dapper
[04:10] <adriano> i only want to get the latest repository
[04:10] <thoreauputic> adriano: then you are out of luck
[04:10] <thoreauputic> adriano: the breezy repos are the latest for breezy
[04:10] <adriano> ow...
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> adriano: If you want the absolute latest firefox try using dear park
[04:10] <thoreauputic> this is not debian
[04:11] <adriano> i used gentoo,but i dont have time
[04:11] <adriano> debian is like gentoo
[04:11] <thoreauputic> adriano: no, it isn't - at all :)
[04:11] <adriano> kubuntu is perfect but has old versions of many apps
[04:12] <thoreauputic> adriano: dapper is pretty stable now
[04:12] <adriano> i know,i fucked an old notebook,i gave a compile for an entire week on august :D
[04:12] <Hobbsee> thoreauputic: kubuntu dapper is being discussed in here
[04:12] <adriano> well, i will get from internet the dapper
[04:13] <adriano> thank you to all for the info and help
[04:14] <adriano> when i will get the dapper i will return here
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> You can upgrade from breezy to dapper without doing a reinstall
[04:14] <adriano> really?
[04:14] <adriano> how?
[04:14] <Samuli^> !upgrade
[04:14] <Samuli^> hmm, is ubotu down?
[04:15] <thoreauputic> !upgrade
[04:15] <ubotu> from memory, upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Samuli^: are you registered with nickserv ?
[04:15] <adriano> ok ty for the links
[04:16] <adriano> i chet it now
[04:16] <Samuli^> thoreauputic, could'nt be arsed to do that :)
[04:16] <adriano> *check
[04:16] <thoreauputic> Samuli^: then ubotu will ignore you ;)
[04:16] <thoreauputic> !register
[04:16] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[04:16] <Samuli^> it didn't yesterday..
[04:17] <Samuli^> thore, i'm registered now.
[04:17] <thoreauputic> Samuli^: registering is a good idea - you will get locked out if the chan has to be made +r
[04:18] <Samuli^> I'll just have to add script to register me automatically when I join freenode
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Samuli^: you can usually set that in xchat
[04:20] <thoreauputic> Samuli^: just put your password in the server password field ( in the server dialog)
[04:21] <thoreauputic> Samuli^: better in that field than the other one
[04:21] <adriano> i don't have gksudo..
[04:22] <adriano> what is?
[04:22] <thoreauputic> adriano: try kdesu
[04:22] <adriano> ah ok ty
[04:22] <thoreauputic> adriano: gksudo is the gnome version
[04:22] <adriano> ok ok i understood when i readen kdesu
[04:23] <Samuli^> thoreauputic, you think knows to automatically message nickserv?
[04:23] <Samuli^> +xchat
[04:24] <thoreauputic> Samuli^: yes of course - if you put your password in that field you will be auto registered on connection
[04:24] <adriano> it says that update-manager doesn't exixst
[04:24] <adriano> *exist
[04:24] <thoreauputic> adriano: install it
[04:24] <Samuli^> thoreauputic, ok.. I'll try that.
[04:24] <adriano> ah lol
[04:24] <thoreauputic> adriano: again, a gnome thing
[04:25] <thoreauputic> adriano: or use apt-get - but then you need to edit your sources.list and do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:25] <adriano> no,there is the kde version of update-manager?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> I don't know - haven't tried it :)
[04:26] <adriano> ok ty :D
[04:30] <eduardo> open #rofantasy
[04:30] <eduardo> omg
[04:30] <eduardo> xd
[04:32] <adriano> on kubuntu.org there isn't the dapper version
[04:33] <adriano> i think the dapper is only for ubuntu
[04:33] <adriano> it's true or not?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> adriano: there is dapper for kubuntu
[04:34] <thoreauputic> adriano: for example - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/
[04:34] <creed205> adriano: I just downloaded it. I did a search on google and it ended up referencing me back to    kubuntu.org
[04:37] <adriano> i searched it onto www.kubuntu.org,not on google
[04:59] <adriano> well,i got the dapper repositories
[04:59] <adriano> i will give the update later
[04:59] <adriano> thank you for the help
[05:00] <adriano> bye
[05:13] <Bizzeh> hey, how do i get the source (or headers) for my spesific kernel?
[05:13] <ubuntu> hi everybody
[05:14] <creed205> hey guys
[05:14] <ubuntu> has anybody experienced a system freeze while copying install files during the process of installing kubuntu dapper from the daily build of live cd?
[05:15] <creed205> I am not new,,, but I am new. I have used Kubuntu before and I like it but I was wondering if anyone has every made a list of things you have to install on kubuntu fresh install.
[05:15] <creed205> what are the geek must haves?
[05:15] <creed205> ubunut: i had that with beta 1
[05:15] <creed205> ubuntu: are you trying beta 2?
[05:15] <ubuntu> creed205: how did you solve that_
[05:16] <ubuntu> I am using today/s daily build
[05:16] <creed205> ubuntu: hmmm
[05:16] <creed205> ubuntu: that one worked for me :P
[05:17] <Leonin> When I try to rebuild the music collection in Amarok the "search bar thingy" stops at 72% and the CPU goes crazy. Does this only happen to me? Im using Dapper btw.
[05:33] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:42] <elvstone> hi.
[05:43] <elvstone> i'm installing kubuntu on my laptop atm. it has a geforce2go, when i later configure the binary nvidia drivers, should i install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy?
[06:06] <root> hi
[06:07] <kettenschutz> hey
[06:07] <kettenschutz> also ich hab jetzt nochmal die xorg conf updaten lassen, und den dri eintrag fr den nvidia treiber entfernt, leider gottes startet mein windowmanager nicht sobald ich das tu
[06:08] <swoke> Anyone know a way to get a konqueror profile for midnightcommander ?
[06:08] <kettenschutz> wenn ich den dri eintrag in der xorg.conf wieder einfge,lft alles io
[06:08] <Lynoure> kettenschutz: Can you ask that same in English?
[06:08] <swoke> I don't have any in /usr/shar
[06:08] <Lynoure> kettenschutz: something about windowmanafer and updating xorg... but that's all I understood.
[06:09] <kettenschutz> yay sry lynoure, i thought i was in the german chan ... :)
[06:09] <kettenschutz> i've got a problem with my nvidia graphics driver
[06:09] <kettenschutz> if i install it and if i update the xorg.conf and remove the DRI line, my KDE wont start
[06:10] <kettenschutz> if i create the LOAD "DRI" line, all works, wtf ?!
[06:10] <Hoobly> Does anyone know of a way to convert a number of xls files to pdf with openoffice.org calc as a batch so that I don't have to open every xls file and convert individually?
[06:11] <nico8481> hi
[06:14] <Lynoure> kettenschutz: Why would you want to remove the DRI line?
[06:15] <Lynoure> kettenschutz: If it works, isn't it just ogod? :)
[06:15] <Lynoure> /ogod/good
[06:16] <kettenschutz> yay but the installer readme said that i have to remove that line
[06:20] <Lynoure> kettenschutz: then the readme was probably wrong. :) I guess you could file a bug on that.
[06:21] <kettenschutz> mhh dont think so, but, whatever :)
[06:22] <kettenschutz> do u got experiences on "wine" or "cedega" ?
[06:29] <BrigadierFrog> if I have libxml and libxml-dev why in the hell wouldn't -lxml work?
[06:29] <BrigadierFrog> I see /usr/lib/libxml.so.*
[06:29] <BrigadierFrog> its there... yet I can't link to it
[06:32] <crum> will amaroK play mp3 files or do I have to load another type of player in order to play mp3's
[06:32] <axisme> dunno, i cheated and installed vlc
[06:32] <Bazzi> you have to download some extra package
[06:33] <crum> sheoot
[06:33] <Bazzi> see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:33] <crum> vlc wont install on a mac install..I dont think
[06:33] <crum> dang
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> crum: dapper or breezy ?
[06:35] <crum> breezy
[06:35] <crum> sorry
[06:35] <buda_sk8> Channel for Kurubuntu Brazilian user???
[06:35] <axisme> !pt
[06:35] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) ou #ubuntu-pt (/j #ubuntu-pt) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[06:36] <ubuntu> !dapper
[06:36] <ubotu> **** News Flash **** Dapper has its own channel #ubuntu+1 please join there for dapper (the beta of the next release) configuration, install, or other conversation, dapper will be in this channel from 1st June :-) BUT not until then
[06:36] <crum> what does it mean?
[06:37] <crum> for it might come in handy when I am at the world cup this summer and i am rappin with some brazilians
[06:38] <buda_sk8> !pt
[06:38] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) ou #ubuntu-pt (/j #ubuntu-pt) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[06:38] <Snaga> I have an external usb drive that is mounting with a noexec option. how do I remove that? using kubuntu breezy.
[06:39] <nixternal> oh lord...."Novell says it has a faster way to get drivers into Linux users' hands."
[06:40] <axisme> yeah was reading that
[06:40] <nixternal> ya...and Microsoft does the same with windows users
[06:40] <axisme> looked crap
[06:40] <nixternal> it is ashame that a great Linux distro such as SuSe had to get bought out by Novell
[06:40] <axisme> i think the easiest way is for things to come with drivers for linux
[06:40] <h3sp4wn> Its for servers
[06:40] <nixternal> what were the germans thinkin' on that one?
[06:41] <h3sp4wn> So that hardware vendors can build drivers for a specific version of suse enterprise linux and be informed of any changes - which is a good thing
[06:42] <nixternal> ya...don't get me wrong it is....but Novell having it's hands in it will eventually dirty the process...microshaft did the same thing...and i remember when their nvidia and ati drivers would screw stuff up so bad
[06:42] <nixternal> thats next
[06:44] <Bazzi> suse is cancer
[06:45] <nixternal> lol
[06:45] <nixternal> then microsoft is HIV
[06:45] <Bazzi> maybe so
[06:45] <nixternal> or full blown AIDS
[06:45] <nixternal> lol
[06:47] <C-O-L-T> hello. I have one question that really interests me. Do you like the basic wallpaper which is given in Kubuntu BETA because in my opinion is ugly, the whole artwork of kubuntu seems to me ugly
[06:47] <C-O-L-T> of course it is a matter of taste
[06:48] <nixternal> i can't even remember what the stock one looks like...i never do stock ;D
[06:48] <Bazzi> C-O-L-T: KDE4 will have greatly improved artwork I hope... and kubuntu will go that line, too, hopefully :>
[06:49] <nixternal> what is the roadmap for KDE4?
[06:49] <C-O-L-T> Bazzi: but could have kubuntu a better artwork for Dapper BETA like Ubuntu with gnome
[06:49] <Bazzi> Mark S. said dapper+1 will include a KDE4 beta :>
[06:50] <C-O-L-T> Bazzi: do you know a site or something where I can get some preliminary screenshots of KDE 4. I even don't know how will look like
[06:50] <Bazzi> the UI is still conceptual at best
[06:50] <Bazzi> you can see mockups etc at kde-look.org
[06:51] <C-O-L-T> Bazzi: I am gonna check it now :)
[06:55] <ctothej> whats the best way to bug the hell out of ati so they release their next set of drivers?
[06:55] <Samuli^> ctothej, if you figure that out let me know.
[06:56] <ctothej> ive been waiting for like a month for them to fix the damn crossfire mobo problems...
[06:56] <Samuli^> something like: there's 29 million linux-desktop users and all of them are thinking about switching to nvidia.
[06:56] <ctothej> that may work well. i should create a petition online and have everyone here sign it!
[06:57] <Samuli^> ctothej, there's been few already.
[06:57] <Samuli^> And I guess they were succesful to a point because there at least is ati-drivers nowadays.
[06:58] <ctothej> hmm. why not release it open source? maybe someone else could do the job better..
[06:58] <aseigo> Samuli^: better would be switching to intel
[06:58] <Samuli^> aseigo, but intel sucks :/
[06:59] <aseigo> Samuli^: they are now actually committed to OSS in graphics hardware in a very serious way... from here on out there will be zero day drivers for their hardware along with full specs
[06:59] <Samuli^> and anyways, it's nvidia that's ati's competitor not intel.
[06:59] <Bazzi> intel has over 50% of GPU market share
[06:59] <aseigo> not ture
[06:59] <aseigo> er, ture
[06:59] <Bazzi> so intel is the biggest player in the game
[06:59] <aseigo> nvidia and ati are paired together since they address similar market segments
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> At least then you won't have to run a tainted kernel that if you ever have problems will be blamed on the closed source drivers
[07:00] <ctothej> for what? their built in mobo graphics?
[07:00] <aseigo> but intel is certainly a competitor
[07:00] <aseigo> ctothej: every graphics chipset they release going forward
[07:00] <Samuli^> intel makes normal graphic cards for normal people, ati and nvidia make graphic cards for gamers.
[07:00] <aseigo> ctothej: the idea seems to be that GPUs are a test bed for doing the same with the rest of their hardware lines
[07:00] <Bazzi> intel provides the needs for office-workers and non-3d-programmers perfectly GPU-wise ;)
[07:01] <aseigo> Samuli^: i think that will be changing to be honest
[07:01] <ctothej> how so?
[07:01] <Samuli^> aseigo, anyways, that's the situation now.
[07:01] <Bazzi> will intel provide OSS drivers for the 950 chipset as well?
[07:01] <aseigo> Samuli^: not that they will be providing chips marketted to gamers, but 3D pipelines are the future
[07:01] <aseigo> Samuli^: all their 2D support is actually done in 3D hardware
[07:01] <aseigo> (well, going forward)
[07:02] <aseigo> Bazzi: for already released hardware it's trickier ... they have to do a lot of review of the technologies involved for "cleanness" and then there's a lot of internal mucking about... very expensive and time consuming
[07:02] <Bazzi> well yeah all the patents they've violated
[07:02] <aseigo> Bazzi: so while they are trying to do better with already released hardware, their OSS commitment is to new hardware
[07:03] <Bazzi> but the current series drivers would be awesome
[07:03] <Bazzi> I'd likely get a new laptop then ;)
[07:03] <aseigo> heh...
[07:03] <aseigo> i have the 915 in my laptop and it runs great with the OSS drivers...
[07:03] <Bazzi> because I dont like fucking with either nvidia or ati drivers
[07:03] <h3sp4wn> The new macbook (non pro) looks like a good laptop
[07:04] <Bazzi> I've got a 855 graphics chipset in my laptop and 3d support is really 'limited'
[07:04] <Bazzi> as in 1fps
[07:04] <aseigo> 3d accel (good enough for neverball and whatnot anyways ;), xinerama support (so i can do both clone and dual-screen), etc
[07:04] <ctothej> heh
[07:04] <h3sp4wn> GMA950 should be ok for XGL with opensource drivers
[07:04] <aseigo> Bazzi: hahaa... the 915 is decent. certainly not a gamer's laptop but i can play opengl games on it just fine
[07:05] <Bazzi> I dont need a gaming laptop, but basic 3d support is always nice, even if its just for toys like Xgl
[07:06] <aseigo> i like being able to run opengl apps without it sucking, yes =)
[07:06] <Bazzi> heh I've got some friends with Ati gpus
[07:07] <Bazzi> really funny how the drivers can take their systems down
[07:07] <ctothej> if they run crossfire, they're not doing shit
[07:07] <Bazzi> lol crossfire
[07:07] <Bazzi> dont even get me started on that topic :P
[07:07] <ctothej> they get a nice 800x600 b/w commandline
[07:07] <Bazzi> `too little too late'
[07:08] <ctothej> nice. which cards?
[07:08] <Bazzi> 6600gt
[07:09] <Bazzi> I got the 2nd one for 1/3 of the original price
[07:09] <ajayc> YES YES YES
[07:09] <Bazzi> so I went for it
[07:09] <ctothej> well thats real nice
[07:09] <Bazzi> just for fun :)
[07:09] <ajayc> SHIPIT
[07:09] <ajayc> for kubuntu
[07:09] <ajayc> :)
[07:09] <ajayc> :D
[07:09] <ajayc> COOOL
[07:10] <ajayc> btw how do u become a kubuntu dev?
[07:10] <Bazzi> you gotta get a MOTU afaik
[07:10] <ajayc> how?
[07:10] <Bazzi> read the wiki :P
[07:11] <ajayc> nothing specific
[07:11] <ajayc> get myself a page on wiki?
[07:11] <ajayc> come guys tell me fast
[07:11] <ajayc> please :))
[07:12] <Bazzi> dude chill
[07:12] <Bazzi> if you want to be a dev with that attitude you probably shouldn't apply in the first place
[07:12] <ajayc> ok sorry :(
[07:12] <ajayc> Bazzi: u a dev?
[07:13] <Bazzi> no
[07:13] <Bazzi> (not yet ;) )
[07:13] <ajayc> lol
[07:13] <klerfayt_> can I have xgl running at the same tame then I other applications (e.g. games) need 3d accel.?
[07:13] <OpAq> yes you can
[07:13] <klerfayt_> does it affect them in negative way?
[07:14] <ajayc> ofcourse u gotta have a powerful pc to run smoothly
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> You can run a seperate X server without XGL for running games (I don't know the exact specifics of how but I know you can)
[07:15] <OpAq> not really. I am running xgl on a 1ghz pentium M with an nvidia card that has only 32 mb of ram
[07:15] <OpAq> nerver tried to play a game but xgl works flawlessly
[07:15] <ajayc> OpAq: O_O
[07:15] <ajayc> sure?
[07:16] <sphere02> enable DMA ON sata hdd?
[07:16] <ajayc> how?
[07:16] <OpAq> yea you use http://xgame.tlhiv.org/
[07:16] <OpAq> AFAIK
[07:16] <sphere02> yes how
[07:16] <apol> AFAIK Xgl is great because it doesn't suck much resources, not because you can have a cube with desktops...
[07:17] <dergringo> is anybody able to tell me how to configure gIFT?
[07:18] <ajayc> how the hell can u run XGL on 32 mb ram?
[07:19] <klerfayt_> wait: are you saying that xgl will reult in less cpu usage?
[07:19] <Leonin> Just installed amarok 1.4 but when I gather my music the progressbar stops at 74% and the CPU goes crazy. Anyone know how I could repair it? Im using Dapper btw.
[07:19] <OpAq> 32 mb of video ram. 512 of actual ram
[07:19] <ajayc> ahh! there
[07:19] <Bazzi> by the way, are there any popular games repositories? for stuff like enemy territory, unreal tournament etc.
[07:19] <ajayc> i ran it on 8mb smuuuhtly
[07:19] <OpAq> the graphics card is  nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M]  (rev a3)
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> ajayc: If you look at an SGI Indy from 10/15 years ago then it supports hardware opengl without dropping any frames (Xgl has graphical glitches still)
[07:20] <ajayc> people i tried enemy territory but it was slow
[07:20] <ajayc> i got a laptop intel 915
[07:20] <ajayc> 256 mb ram
[07:20] <ajayc> any ideas?
[07:20] <OpAq> you do not have hardware acceleration turned on
[07:20] <klerfayt_> ah. et. what so special about radar map? why it drops fps?
[07:21] <ajayc> OpAq: how to get it on?
[07:21] <Leonin> A tiny idea about how I can fix it? Just point me in the right direction. =)
[07:24] <OpAq> not sure how to do that for the intel chips. but I think you just need to put the dri section in your xorg.conf
[07:25] <ajayc> no idea?
[07:26] <riri> Hi nixternal
[07:27] <riri> i succeeded
[07:27] <riri> sudo bash
[07:27] <riri> echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward            # activation du "pontage" entre les deux cartes rseaux
[07:27] <riri> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.10.0/24 -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
[07:27] <riri> exit
[07:27] <riri> here is the thing to do
[07:27] <OpAq> ajayc:try to find the information from google http://www.google.com/search?q=intel+915+dri+ubuntu&btnG=Search&hs=iS6&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial
[07:28] <ajayc> i wastrying :P
[07:28] <OpAq> and http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&q=intel+915&btnG=Search
[07:28] <nixternal> hey riri
[07:29] <nixternal> whoo hooo...i am glad you got that working
[07:29] <iqon> does anyone know where i can find newer versions of akregator?  i can't even find 1.2.2 (dapper's version) anywhere on kde.org
[07:29] <riri> i am waiting for the final and will move to kubuntu
[07:29] <riri> thanks for your help
[07:29] <nixternal> cool man...i was close with the iptables ;D
[07:30] <nixternal> np man....it looks like i just kinda pointed you into a direction...you got it done man...good job
[07:30] <riri> they have it written in ubuntu doc
[07:30] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:30] <nixternal> i have all the docs here...but haven't gone through them all yet
[07:30] <riri> and when i read your speaking about iptable
[07:30] <riri> i just link
[07:30] <riri> lol
[07:30] <nixternal> i am thinking about upgrading at least one of my debian serers (etch) to maybe ubuntu/kubuntu server
[07:30] <riri> there are translated in french ! lol
[07:31] <nixternal> it works
[07:31] <nixternal> ya...i seen the french up there
[07:31] <nixternal> i can barely read and speak english...another language would make my head explode ;D
[07:31] <nixternal> i tend to speak geekbonics
[07:32] <nixternal> hey iqon...is there a newer version than 1.2.2 for akregator? i am using 1.2.2
[07:33] <ajayc> i gotta add only this:
[07:33] <ajayc> Section "DRI"
[07:33] <ajayc> 	Mode	0666
[07:33] <ajayc> ?
[07:33] <iqon> nixternal: it's not in dapper, but i've seen references to 1.5 and 2.0, supposedly 1.5 added the feature of tagging feed items
[07:33] <nixternal> hmm..i have it in dapper
[07:33] <ajayc> OpAq: ?
[07:33] <nixternal> flight 7 to be exact
[07:34] <OpAq> I think that is it, if you have the right driver in the driver section
[07:34] <OpAq> do to forget to put the endsection after that
[07:34] <iqon> nixternal: sorry... 1.2.2 is in dapper... but i was hoping to find and compile a newer version
[07:34] <nixternal> 1.2.2 is all that is at sourceforge/akregator...i don't see anything newer
[07:34] <nixternal> 1.2.2 build 650
[07:35] <ajayc> will killing the x and starting again do?
[07:35] <nixternal> actually...im wrong...
[07:36] <nixternal> akreagators site only shows 1.0_beta5-1 w/o a date
[07:36] <nixternal> 2004-07-16 15:00
[07:36] <iqon> nixternal: i was wondering where 1.2.2 came from
[07:37] <nixternal> wth...ya no crap..where did 1.2.2 come from
[07:37] <nixternal> i just found a akregator blog..dude is talkin' about it for kde 3.5.3 and building it for qt4/kde4
[07:38] <riri> nixt : have we got AVI and mp3 with dapper ?
[07:38] <nixternal> ya...riri
[07:38] <riri> thanks
[07:38] <nixternal> gstream .10 and libxine-extracodecs
[07:38] <EvilIdler> AVI is just a wrapper
[07:38] <nixternal> that is where that all comes in
[07:38] <nixternal> but my avi and mp3's worked w/o problems
[07:39] <nixternal> my m4a's i had to do the whole gstream .10 and libxine-extracodecs
[07:39] <nixternal> the akregator website hasn't been updated since june 2005...but the blog is up to date
[07:40] <nixternal> actually...akregator took a break until kde4 it looks like
[07:52] <sameer`> any one using epson c46
[07:53] <Johncro13> hey, anybody having issues with TV tuner cards?
[07:53] <EvilIdler> sameer`: I got one working on grandpa's computer
[07:54] <EvilIdler> sameer`: If there's no C46 driver, C44 of some kind should work
[07:54] <sameer`> hmm
[07:54] <sameer`> there r drivers for c44
[07:55] <sameer`> should i use that u mean ??
[07:55] <sameer`> i
[07:55] <EvilIdler> Try those. C46 is the replacement for C44; pretty much the same printer with a new label
[07:55] <sameer`> hmm
[07:56] <sameer`> i got the driver http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/dl_ink.html here for c46
[07:56] <sameer`> installed them
[07:56] <sameer`> but doesn't show up in list mean
[07:57] <EvilIdler> I just used whatever was in Kubuntu, and it worked. One of the libgimpprint drivers.
[07:57] <sameer`> ok thanx
[07:57] <sameer`> i will try that
[07:59] <sameer`> sorry just one more thing
[07:59] <sameer`> do i need to install something for usb ??
[08:00] <EvilIdler> As long as you have the right *HCI driver in the kernel, it should work.
[08:01] <EvilIdler> sameer`: Unplug your printer, plug in and check with dmesg what the log says
[08:01] <EvilIdler> sameer`: If it detected a USB device, you should be fine
[08:01] <sameer`> ok
[08:03] <sameer`> yea it is detecting it
[08:04] <sameer`> but which usb should i select
[08:04] <EvilIdler> What choices do you have?
[08:04] <EvilIdler> If it's just numbers, pick the lowest
[08:04] <sameer`> usb # 1-16
[08:04] <EvilIdler> Wow, 16?
[08:04] <EvilIdler> Never saw that many myself :)
[08:05] <sameer`> but i don't have 16 usbs
[08:05] <EvilIdler> Yeah, I think that's a UI design issue. Why bother asking, when the number doesn't matter? ;)
[08:05] <EvilIdler> At least I've been fine with a random number, but it should just automagically pick one
[08:06] <sameer`> ok
[08:06] <sameer`> i will choose any rite :D
[08:06] <_rodney> hi all
[08:09] <sameer`> :(
[08:10] <sameer`> it doesn't work with c44ux
[08:10] <EvilIdler> Not sure which one to pick, as I'm miles away from the computer I got it working on :/
[08:10] <_rodney> any advice for setting up the ax25 stuff ?
[08:11] <sameer`> hmmm
[08:11] <sameer`> i don't know
[08:11] <sameer`> it is not even moving
[08:12] <riri> bye nixternal :) see you
[08:12] <riri> it's 20h here
[08:12] <nixternal> l8r riri
[08:13] <riri> i am like chicken early in bed and early in the morning ! lol
[08:13] <nixternal> lol...i hear you...im up all day and night
[08:13] <nixternal> 6 hours of sleep is all i need
[08:13] <riri> yes ... i guess you are young !
[08:13] <nixternal> 32
[08:13] <nixternal> ;D
[08:13] <riri> 61
[08:14] <crazy_penguin> hi all. re
[08:14] <nixternal> hehe..you are young too
[08:14] <nixternal> ;D
[08:14] <riri> and now i need rest
[08:14] <riri> yes
[08:14] <nixternal> lol...good night riri
[08:14] <riri> i just maried my chinese wife 25 y
[08:14] <nixternal> hehe...well there you go...sleep isn't what you are about to do though ;p
[08:14] <riri> and will have a boy in august
[08:15] <nixternal> nice...congrats
[08:15] <riri> thanks
[08:15] <riri> 88
[08:15] <nixternal> l8r
[08:15] <nixternal> whats up crazy_penguin
[08:15] <sameer`> Bus 001 Device 007: ID 04b8:0005 Seiko Epson Corp. Stylus Printer
[08:15] <nixternal> hey...what are you guys usin' for irc???? xchat? bitchx?
[08:15] <sameer`> does any one know wat usb that is
[08:16] <sameer`> 1 or 7
[08:16] <sameer`> or something
[08:16] <tsdgeos> nixternal: konversation
[08:16] <sameer`> output of lsusb
[08:16] <crazy_penguin> nixternal: everything is ok. thx for asking
[08:16] <nixternal> tsdgeos...i just read up on it
[08:16] <nixternal> looks decent
[08:16] <nixternal> xchat is a hog
[08:16] <nixternal> why use bitchx on kde...im not doin' the term thing no more
[08:16] <nixternal> konversation i shall check out
[08:16] <ajayc> is kubuntu faster than ubuntu?
[08:17] <ajayc> which is the fastest kubuntu xubuntu or ubuntu?
[08:17] <nixternal> ajayc...it isn't about speed...about window managers....speed wise they are pretty much the same for me
[08:17] <EvilIdler> Konversation is similar to xchat, except the darn font isn't shrinking to unreadable :)
[08:17] <nixternal> xubuntu is whicked fast
[08:17] <iqon> ajayc: for me kde does feel faster than gnome
[08:17] <nixternal> i use it on an old laptop and it flies
[08:18] <ajayc> well xgl supported on xubuntu?
[08:18] <nixternal> is it supported on kubuntu or ubuntu?
[08:19] <nixternal> xgl is takin' over for opengl or it is an upgrade...if im correct...i wouldn't see why it wouldnt' be honestly
[08:19] <Leonin> Just installed amarok 1.4 but when I gather my music the progressbar stops at 74% and the CPU goes crazy. Anyone know how I could repair it? Im using Dapper btw.
[08:19] <ajayc> ok
[08:20] <EvilIdler> Xgl is an addition to X
[08:20] <xwolf-> does it work in kde?
[08:20] <EvilIdler> You'd still use OpenGL to write 3D apps/games
[08:21] <EvilIdler> It's more KDE working on Xgl, I guess
[08:21] <EvilIdler> The desktop environment shouldn't care
[08:21] <xwolf-> yeah.
[08:21] <nixternal`v2> ok...konversation up and running now
[08:22] <xwolf-> so, can i get those pretty thingies i saw on novell's xgl demo video working in my kubuntu?
[08:23] <EvilIdler> On Dapper, yes
[08:23] <troy> damned nick thieves :P
[08:23] <ajayc> xwolf-: ofcourse
[08:24] <xwolf-> well then, is dapper already coming with xgl?
[08:24] <ajayc> no
[08:24] <ajayc> u gotta download it
[08:32] <TheCoffeMaker> Hi! all
[08:33] <nixternal> here there TheCoffeMaker
[08:34] <TheCoffeMaker> I having problems with Apache ... I dont know why Apache don't let me in
[08:35] <crum> hello..newbie here...what is the command to manually configure my resolution file in kubuntu breezy?
[08:35] <crum> i loaded something and now I only have 640x480
[08:35] <crum> or less
[08:35] <crum> kinda sucks..can barely see what I am typing
[08:35] <crum> screen is taken up by konversion
[08:36] <didimo> exit
[08:36] <EvilIdler> Try ctrl-alt-plus to toggle, or relog
[08:36] <crum> i cant edit my config file?
[08:37] <crum> and add the resolutions that I so desire?
[08:37] <crum> :)
[08:37] <TheCoffeMaker> soo ... someone with experience in Apache configuration?
[08:37] <didimo> exit
[08:37] <crum> exit
[08:37] <crum> exit out and restart didimo?
[08:37] <Monkee13> TheCoffeMaker:  what do yo uneed? and what version?
[08:38] <crum> ok..i will try that then
[08:41] <didimo> hello
[08:41] <TheCoffeMaker> Monkee13: Im using Apache2 in Dapper ... the point is that the directory rules rejects me
[08:42] <nixternal> hey TheCoffeMaker...how is this directory rejection coming about???  can you start apache2 at all?
[08:43] <TheCoffeMaker> yes ... I can ... wait for a moment ... I locking the error.log
[08:43] <nixternal> k
[08:45] <TheCoffeMaker> locking?!?!? ... ok my english sucks ... but --- here is my log ... [error]  [client 127.0.0.1]  Directory index forbidden by rule: /mnt/WorkSpace/Documentos/
[08:46] <TheCoffeMaker> and the config tag ... is ...
[08:46] <TheCoffeMaker> let me see
[08:47] <TheCoffeMaker> Alias /doc/ "/mnt/WorkSpace/Documentos"
[08:47] <nixternal> k
[08:48] <TheCoffeMaker> <Directory /mnt/WorkSpace/Documentos>
[08:48] <nixternal> ok...
[08:48] <TheCoffeMaker> Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
[08:48] <TheCoffeMaker> AllowOverride None
[08:48] <nixternal> what if you type in   http://server_ip/index.php/htm/html
[08:48] <nixternal> does that work at all?
[08:49] <nixternal> for instance....   http://192.168.1.100/index.html
[08:49] <TheCoffeMaker> I having Subversion ... Joombla and phpMyAdmin working with Locations ... but Disrectorys doesn't work
[08:50] <nixternal> ahh
[08:50] <nixternal> ok...in httpd.conf you need to add "Options Indexes"
[08:50] <TheCoffeMaker> ok ... Order deny,allow
[08:50] <TheCoffeMaker> Deny from all
[08:50] <TheCoffeMaker> Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/128
[08:51] <nixternal> let me check my apache2 conf really quick
 ... follow by Locations tags
[08:51] <TheCoffeMaker> oki
[08:58] <nixternal> Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
[08:58] <nixternal> Options Indexes is set in my /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/sitename
[08:59] <nixternal> it isn't set in apache2...i was thinking back to apache and httpd.conf
[09:00] <nixternal> i know "Options Indexes" is set by default...at least i thought it was...but if you created a new virtual host..then it miht have gotten skipped
[09:01] <TheCoffeMaker> nop ... I haven't  ... im using the same default config file with the same VirtualHost by default
[09:01] <nixternal> ok...hmmmm
[09:01] <nixternal> and for instances...you type in http://192.168.1.100/directory/   ....you get that error message?
[09:01] <nixternal> and you can't see anything in the directory
[09:01] <TheCoffeMaker> yeap
[09:01] <nixternal> no directory structure at all
[09:01] <nixternal> k
[09:02] <nixternal> let me see if i can even do it on mine
[09:02] <nixternal> one more second
[09:03] <TheCoffeMaker> The stage thng is that the others locations are working :S
[09:03] <TheCoffeMaker> stage? ... strange
[09:03] <nixternal> ok...my directory is working
[09:03] <nixternal> ya that is strange
[09:03] <nixternal> ummm....owner and group are www-data
[09:04] <nixternal> or root?
[09:05] <TheCoffeMaker> myuser (owner)  www-data (group) ... with group permissions to read and execute
[09:07] <nixternal> ok...so that isn't an issue then
[09:08] <nixternal> how about /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/userdir.conf     Options Indexes set in there?
[09:08] <TheCoffeMaker> let me see
[09:09] <nixternal> <Directory  /home/*/public_html>
[09:09] <nixternal> Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec
[09:09] <nixternal> that is how mine is currently setup...which i believe is also default
[09:10] <TheCoffeMaker> ok ... a try with this ... but I havent the userdir.conf in mods-enable
[09:10] <nixternal> hmm
[09:10] <nixternal> you don't have a userdir.conf or userdir.load in there?
[09:11] <TheCoffeMaker> nop
[09:11] <nixternal> that might be the problem then
[09:11] <nixternal> are they in /etc/apache2/mods-available ?
[09:13] <TheCoffeMaker> dought! ... sorry ... Im using my user and I cant see it ... :S ... hehehe ... the files are there :S ... so ... let mi see if Option Indexes is set
[09:13] <nixternal> ok
[09:13] <TheCoffeMaker> yeap ... it's set
[09:14] <nixternal> so it is in mods-enabled then?
[09:14] <TheCoffeMaker> yeap yeap
[09:14] <nixternal> hmmm
[09:17] <TheCoffeMaker> maybe the problem is that Im using the alias /doc/
[09:17] <nixternal> it very well could be
[09:18] <TheCoffeMaker> np ... it says that I have no permissions to access on this server
[09:19] <nixternal> hmm
[09:20] <[mX] > does anyone in here have a thinkpad t42?
[09:20] <crimsun> no, but I use an X41-2527
[09:21] <[mX] > do you have an atheros wifi minipci card in it?
[09:21] <crimsun> no, ipw2195abg
[09:21] <[mX] > god I got fucked with this atheros chip :)
[09:21] <crimsun> are you using dapper?
[09:21] <[mX] > 5.10?
[09:22] <[mX] > is there an easy way to update my repo to update to dapper?
[09:22] <nixternal> hey TheCoffeMaker....you don't have "Options FollowSymLinks" in userdir.conf or appache2.conf do you?
[09:23] <TheCoffeMaker> emmm let me see
[09:23] <simp> is there a octoshape plugin for ubuntu?
[09:24] <frood> I'm having problems mounting NTFS partitions for my user account.
[09:25] <[mX] > crimsun: ?
[09:25] <crimsun> [mX] : no, that's breezy
[09:25] <frood> the partitions are setup to mount in /etc/fstab but only root can mount them and view them. How can I change permissions to them so that my regular user can mount/view them?
[09:26] <[mX] > thanks
[09:26] <Blissex> frood: for mounting  the 'user' option. For permissions depends on the type of filesystem in the partition
[09:26] <frood> Blissex : It's an NTFS parition I'm mounting as read only.
[09:26] <TheCoffeMaker> sorry ... konversation crash :S
[09:26] <nixternal> lol
[09:27] <nixternal> not good :D
[09:27] <frood> Blissex : Where do I enter this 'user' option?
[09:27] <Blissex> frood: the 'user' option in 'fstab', check 'man 5 fstab' and for reading NTFS check the options 'umask', 'uid' and 'gid' in 'man 8 mount', and there is a specific page on the Wiki
[09:27] <Blissex> !ntfs
[09:27] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, totally, the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[09:28] <TheCoffeMaker> so
[09:28] <nixternal> in the sites-enabled also...make sure you have allow from all set for the directory in question
[09:28] <nixternal> which i think you already did above
[09:28] <nox-Hand> Hey
[09:29] <nox-Hand> How would I start the Kubuntu liveCD with framebuffer?
[09:29] <granrich> u guys are fags
[09:29] <nixternal> thankx
[09:29] <nixternal> appreciate the comment
[09:29] <granrich> dude suc my dick
[09:29] <crimsun> granrich: cigarettes?
[09:30] <nox-Hand> granrich, Thanks a lot, how are you today?
[09:30] <nixternal> isn't every day that some idiot tells me off
[09:30] <granrich> f u
[09:30] <nixternal> but thank you
[09:30] <TheCoffeMaker> emmm ... nop ... I have Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/128 ... tath is the same thing isn't?
[09:30] <nixternal> i really appreciate it...you made my day
[09:30] <nixternal> haha
[09:30] <nixternal> allow from all
[09:30] <crimsun> anyhow, we were saying...
[09:30] <nixternal> i don't knw about that allow you have set up...i have never gone that deep
[09:30] <nixternal> rofl....gg crimsun
[09:31] <crimsun> your stupid clones are muzzled. Go away.
[09:31] <nixternal> haha
[09:31] <nox-Hand> You know what, granrich, I am already so depressed, that I REALLY needed that =) Thanks a lot, made my day, I shall go get the shotgun now \o/ || Okay, not really, but let me put it in a way without swearing: f00k off, you f@cking f@gg0t, you smell like sh!t, and you act like it too.
[09:31] <nox-Hand> Oh, and have a nice day =)
[09:31] <nixternal> lol
[09:32] <nixternal> don't do it for the love of kubuntu :D
[09:32] <TheCoffeMaker> nop ... i try with allow alll and nothing
[09:32] <nox-Hand> |0_o|
[09:32] <nox-Hand> Anywho, that liveCD with framebuffer?
[09:32] <nixternal> ya...see if that works...if it does...then we can work on securing it further from there
[09:32] <robotgeek> !language
[09:32] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[09:33] <nixternal> funny thing about watching your language....how can you watch something you can't see ;D
[09:33] <nixternal> kinda like watchin' grass grow ;D
[09:33] <EvilIdler> What happened? Did #debian invade?
[09:33] <nixternal> haha
[09:33] <nixternal> i was thinking #redhat
[09:33] <nixternal> ;D
[09:34] <nixternal> i thought mandrake was done...that seemed like a lil mandrake kiddy
[09:34] <EvilIdler> I switched to Ununtu not only because of the distro itself, but partially because of the attitude in the channel :/
[09:34] <nixternal> i will admit...this is one of the better irc chanz i have hung out in
[09:34] <EvilIdler> This and #ubuntu is actually generally friendly
[09:35] <nox-Hand> EvilIdler, You are on Ubuntu?
[09:35] <nixternal> well TheCoffeMaker...any luck?
[09:35] <TheCoffeMaker_> nop
[09:35] <nixternal> uh oh...
[09:35] <nixternal> hmmm
[09:35] <EvilIdler> nox-Hand: Well, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, red apples, green apples :)
[09:35] <nixternal> Options Indexes is set....allow from all is set
[09:35] <nixternal> i dont' know what else to do
[09:35] <TheCoffeMaker_> yeap
[09:36] <nixternal> this is an odd one
[09:36] <EvilIdler> Mmm..apples..
[09:36] <nox-Hand> For some reason, I found Kubuntu quicker than Ubuntu, even if I had Kubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu, Kubuntu with KDE was quicker 0_o
[09:36] <nox-Hand> But, I am on E17, so meh
[09:36] <nixternal> hehe nox
[09:36] <nox-Hand> nixternal, Ever seen E17 before? Quite nice :D http://www.sector-42.frih.net/docs/screenshots/screenshot3.png
[09:36] <nixternal> i rmember e...i used to use it religiously back in the day
[09:36] <nixternal> i thought it looked oh so elite
[09:37] <nox-Hand> nixternal, E16 or 17?
[09:37] <nixternal> prolly 16
[09:37] <nixternal> has been a few years
[09:37] <nixternal> i thought i was a l337 hax0r w/ it ;D
[09:37] <nox-Hand> Oh, well check out E17, very good looking, and there is a script that installs it from CVS automaticly \o/
[09:37] <nixternal> i might sling it on my xubuntu setup
[09:38] <nixternal> chekc it out
[09:38] <imbrandon> wow been a while since i seen an aol hostname
[09:38] <nixternal> you know...the only ubuntu family i hvaent' checked out is...edubuntu...that is the only one i don't have running
[09:38] <frood> Hrmm.
[09:39] <imbrandon> eduuntu is kinda cool with its ltsp setup
[09:39] <nixternal> i might give that a check out too
[09:39] <EvilIdler> Yeah, the edu variant is more different from basic Ubuntu than Kubuntu
[09:39] <nixternal> i saw their new wallpaper they have for it and i really liked it
[09:39] <frood> Blissex : I've followed the instructions on the wiki page and I still can't access the NTFS partition unless I'm root.
[09:39] <nixternal> i look the whole "world together" thing
[09:39] <nixternal> that is what we need
[09:39] <EvilIdler> I think the school Linux project around here recommends it
[09:39] <nixternal> stop all this damn fighting....
[09:40] <Blissex> frood: then you haven't followed them quite right... Whats the output of 'grep ntfs /etc/fstab'?
[09:40] <frood> Blissex: the line in /etc/fstab is /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs ro,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0    Am I missing something?
[09:40] <nixternal> hmmm..i have a new dead pixel...just watched it happen
[09:40] <imbrandon> edubuntu == yello apples ;) ( vs green and red ) , hmmm debian might just be an orange though
[09:40] <nixternal> hey TheCoffeMaker...have you check out #apache ?
[09:40] <Blissex> frood: that line looks good
[09:41] <Blissex> frood: is the problem that you cannot mount it or cannot look inside as non-root?
[09:41] <TheCoffeMaker_> emmm nop ;) ... thanks for everything
[09:41] <nixternal> lol
[09:41] <nixternal> no prob...i wish i could have been more help
[09:41] <EvilIdler> Hmm..there's a neat tool: Hamachi. Make a virtual LAN for games that don't understand this new-fangled Internet thing. Pity it's closed source :(
[09:41] <imbrandon> frood, you might also use uid and gid
[09:41] <frood> Blissex: Mounts fine. I can't access it unless I'm root.
[09:41] <Blissex> nixternal: condolences for the death of one of your beloved pixels
[09:41] <nixternal> lol...thx Blissex
[09:41] <imbrandon> frood,  uid=<username>,gid=admin
[09:41] <Blissex> frood: and whats the output of 'ls -ld /media/sda1 /media/sda1/*'?
[09:42] <nox-Hand> Where would I configure xorg in Kubuntu?
[09:42] <nixternal> i can tell the ol' lady that it is dying...maybe she will let me get a new one
[09:42] <frood> dr-x------   1 root root 8192 2006-05-16 11:54 sda1
[09:42] <frood> Seems like the problems are permission related.
[09:42] <imbrandon> frood,  uid=<username>,gid=admin
[09:43] <imbrandon> in fstab
[09:43] <imbrandon> then remount it
[09:44] <Fox__> Hi
[09:44] <imbrandon> hello
[09:44] <Blissex> frood: then whatever is going on is ignoring the '/etc/fstab'
[09:45] <Fox__> can someone help me with ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[09:45] <Blissex> frood: try to make sure by 'umount /media/sda1' and then 'mount /media/sda1'
[09:45] <frood> Ok.
[09:46] <bobi> hi everybody
[09:46] <imbrandon> Blissex, the options uid= and gid= set the username and group for the mounted files
[09:46] <alleyoopster> hi everyone: how do i configure splash screen, i have lost it after installing kubuntu and would like ubuntu back, is there a command or config file?
[09:46] <imbrandon> on ntfs
[09:46] <bobi> I installed kubuntu from install cd choosing the 'server' option at start
[09:46] <imbrandon> other wise it defaults to root
[09:46] <frood> Where do the uid= and gid= lines go in?
[09:46] <bobi> now I'd like to install the packages for a desktop workstation
[09:47] <bobi> is there a way to do it as if I chose the default installation at boot?
[09:47] <imbrandon> /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs ro,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000,uid=<you user name>,gid=admin 0 0
[09:47] <frood> okey.
[09:47] <imbrandon> bodi, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:48] <imbrandon> or xubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop ( recomends kubuntu-desktop ;)
[09:48] <omega--> What's the command to restore my xorg.conf file?
[09:49] <imbrandon> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:49] <nox-Hand> Yaaay! */*raves about *\*
[09:49] <imbrandon> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:49] <frood> imbrandon: unmounted them. added lines into fstab. ran mount -a. still doesnt work.
[09:49] <Samuli^> omega--, do you mean dpkg--reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:49] <nox-Hand> **orders ten CD's from Kubuntu's new shipit service :D
[09:49] <imbrandon> frood, run mount /media/sda1
[09:49] <omega--> That's what I meant.
[09:49] <omega--> I thought it started with a p.
[09:49] <omega--> Couldn't find it.
[09:49] <Samuli^> omega-- if you want to just restore from backup, copy the backup file over xorg.conf
[09:50] <Fox__> is somebody here to help a linux-noob to install ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[09:50] <nixternal> there are a bunch of us Fox__
[09:50] <nixternal> how can we be of some assistance?
[09:51] <nox-Hand> **order complete** :D
[09:51] <nixternal> hehe
[09:51] <Fox__> I have a problem (please excuse my english, I'm german)... I have a laptop with an ati card, and if i want to install / start kubuntu i get only a black screen
[09:51] <Fox__> i tried vga=771 etc. but nothing helps
[09:51] <imbrandon> hehe yea nox-Hand i did the same thing this morning , too bad it still wont ship till the 1st ;)
[09:51] <nixternal> every time someone says their german...immediately i think of my favorite beer....hacker pschor
[09:51] <nixternal> ;D
[09:52] <nixternal> hmmm Fox__
[09:52] <nixternal> i have a laptop...ati mobile radeon...no problem with default settings
[09:52] <Fox__> i have a ati x700
[09:52] <nixternal> did the cd you create burn without errors?
[09:52] <nixternal> whoa...so we are talkin' a new laptop then
[09:52] <nixternal> alrighty then
[09:52] <Fox__> yes... my cd burn without errors...
[09:53] <imbrandon> dapper or breezy ?
[09:53] <imbrandon> might try the other if one dosent work
[09:53] <imbrandon> just a thought
[09:53] <Fox__> I have tried breezy and dapper beta 1 and beta 2 etc. but everytime the same black screen
[09:53] <imbrandon> hmm
[09:54] <Fox__> but if i start kubuntu over "VMPlayer" everyting work fine
[09:54] <nixternal> i know for a fact that ubuntu/kubuntu uses the fglrx drivers on the livecd...but i have also heard of issues with the fglrx drivers too
[09:54] <imbrandon> when does it show the black screen exactly? whats the last thing you see, have you tried acpi=off ?
[09:56] <Lorenzod> Hi all.
[09:56] <imbrandon> i've even heard of some needing to turn off pcmcia on laptops but no experince with them myself
[09:56] <Fox__> yes i tried acpi=off and all the other thing that are write down at the help... the black screen are when he wants to start kde i think... i see the kubuntu log under that i see some packages that are copying to my hd (i think)... and thats all
[09:56] <ubuntu> hello
[09:56] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:56] <nixternal> well hello there
[09:56] <imbrandon> hmmm
[09:56] <nox-Hand> ubuntu, odd name..
[09:56] <ubuntu> it's realy cool :)
[09:57] <ubuntu> default
[09:57] <nixternal> ahh
[09:57] <imbrandon> heh
[09:57] <Lorenzod> Does this permission line look familiar to anybody: ?--------- ? ?      ?         ?                ? tmp
[09:57] <ubuntu> sorry (juz mnie nie ma) ;)
[09:57] <nixternal> that explains it....but i couldn't think of a better default name
[09:57] <nixternal> ;D
[09:57] <Fox__> but it's only with ubuntu/kubuntu, other linux-distributions are ok... knoppix, red hat, etc. work fine... but i want ubuntu
[09:57] <Lorenzod> I cannot delete that tmp, even as root..
[10:01] <pm_> whats the diff btw the LTS version and the normal version?
[10:01] <Lorenzod> Hm.. doesn't anybody know what the permissions "?---------" means?
[10:02] <Fox__> so nobody has n idea, how i could install kubuntu?
[10:03] <Johncro13> I missed the entire conversation.
[10:03] <hastesaver> Lorenzod, it means no permissions at all! Where did you see that? (And was the first one a '?' or a 'd' ?)
[10:04] <Lorenzod> hastesaver: thanks. I have a directory/file that has that permission.
[10:04] <Lorenzod> One of my kmail folders.
[10:04] <hastesaver> Lorenzod, if you're the owner, you can change the permissions back. Do 'chmod u+rw filename'
[10:04] <Lorenzod> hastesaver: first is a "?"
[10:05] <Lorenzod> hastesaver: even as root, I cannot. Owner/Group is also "?" by the way..
[10:05] <DarkED> hey i am trying to setup xgl, using this howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto#head-b38bc528c59d24064958c7425fa05c34ac2c0564
[10:05] <DarkED> how would i make it work with kde?
[10:05] <imbrandon> DarkED try #ubuntu-xgl
[10:05] <GeneralZod> Lorenzod:Sounds like a corrupt diesk/ filesystem to me :/
[10:05] <DarkED> thanks
[10:05] <Lorenzod> hastesaver: ls -l gives: ?--------- ? ?      ?         ?                ? tmp
[10:06] <Lorenzod> GeneralZod: yeah, I think I'm going to run a chkfs on it..
[10:06] <hastesaver> Lorenzod, I have no clue why such a thing would happen, sorry
[10:06] <GeneralZod> Lorenzod:Seems wise.  I like your name, by the way.  The last three letters of it, at least ;)
[10:07] <Lorenzod> GeneralZod: :)
[10:08] <uwo> hi all - is there a QT application like wid
[10:08] <imbrandon> whats wid ?
[10:09] <uwo> sorry - application like wifi-radar. what do you use to find wlan networks
[10:09] <imbrandon> i use iwconfig wlan0 scan ;)
[10:09] <uwo> :)
[10:09] <imbrandon> buth thats just me
[10:12] <Johncro13> Analogy!  New computer users are like highschoolers.  Windows is like taking highschool spanish.  Linux is like being a foreign-exchange student in Italy.  Highschool Spanish just won't cut it.
[10:13] <hastesaver> Johncro13, bad analogy. There will be people who argue Spanish is better than Italian :)
[10:13] <Johncro13> not high school spanish
[10:14] <Johncro13> being a new Linux user, I find myself silently responding to a lot of the messages in this chat with things like "control+alt+del" and "reformat", run sys c: and msconfig.  But Linux is not that simple.
[10:14] <hastesaver> Johncro13, ok, but if you're in the US (for example?), there will be people who'll argue that they have no need to learn Italian... or um, something. :)
[10:15] <hastesaver> Johncro13, it's simpler
[10:15] <Johncro13> now that is arguable.
[10:15] <hastesaver> Johncro13, In Windows, I used to do the same random things everytime something went wrong, with no clue what was happening, or why I had to do that
[10:16] <hastesaver> Johncro13, at least now I understand most of what's happening; it doesn't seem so random anymore
[10:17] <matt__> hey, when i shutdown my gnome desktop flashes, is there a way to stop that?
[10:17] <Johncro13> perhaps, but the "average" computer user who only wants to get online, ebay, e-mail, write letters, and that's all won't want anything more than a dumbed down OS.
[10:18] <frood> Is there a way to assign a keystroke to switching from a virtual window to another one?
[10:18] <r0xz> anyone got an usb wifi adapter working in dapper (speedtouch 121g)
[10:20] <slow-motion> re
[10:21] <r0xz> i just got my package from my isp and thought it to test it out
[10:21] <imbrandon> probbly can use it with ndiswrapper, dunno though
[10:21] <imbrandon> never tried
[10:22] <r0xz> lol me neither, this is my first try to use wifi ever
[10:23] <imbrandon> well i've used wifi , infact i am right now just not with a usb adapter ;)
[10:24] <r0xz> imbrandon: my motherbord havn't got wifi support, if it had i might have tried it before
[10:25] <imbrandon> i use a pci wifi adapter ( realtec 8185 )
[10:26] <crum> i am having some trouble with my sound
[10:26] <sphere02> how to rune vice emulator?
[10:26] <sphere02> how to run vice emulator?
[10:26] <crum> when I reboot I hear the sound
[10:27] <crum> yet when I try and play a cd or other file...i can see it playing in noatun but I get no sound
[10:27] <crum> now...i am playing it as an ogg file also
[10:27] <crum> does that make a differnce?
[10:27] <robotgeek> crum: ogg plays?
[10:27] <imbrandon> crum did you set noatun for alsa or oss  ?
[10:27] <crum> yes
[10:27] <crum> hrmm
[10:27] <imbrandon> wait
[10:28] <imbrandon> ogg plays ?
[10:28] <crum> yes
[10:28] <crum> i put the cd in the drive
[10:28] <imbrandon> then what dosent play ? mp3?
[10:28] <crum> and the files that come up are cda, ogg, flac
[10:28] <crum> the file plays but i get no sound from the speaker
[10:28] <imbrandon> try installing some of the codecs from !restricted
[10:29] <crum> i have done that also
[10:29] <imbrandon> hmmm
[10:29] <crum> when I go to my sound config
[10:29] <robotgeek> crum: only cd doesn't play. did you turn up the volume
[10:29] <crum> yes...
[10:29] <crum> i went to my sound panel and did the test
[10:29] <crum> and still get no sound
[10:29] <crum> yet when I boot I get the apple bong
[10:30] <crum> from the front speaker
[10:30] <imbrandon> did you try a diffrent media player ?
[10:30] <ahmeni> Mmm.. apple bong..
[10:30] <crum> yeah
[10:30] <imbrandon> apple bong ?
[10:30] <crum> it tried amarok
[10:31] <crum> err..I
[10:31] <EvilIdler> Dirty mac hippies!
[10:31] <crum> no..
[10:31] <crum> I just got this donated to me
[10:31] <robotgeek> EvilIdler: hmm, i use a mac too
[10:32] <crum> and I tried
[10:32] <crum> xxms
[10:32] <crum> and the last..caffeine
[10:32] <crum> err..Kaffeine
[10:32] <crum> no such luck on any of them
[10:32] <imbrandon> you mean the speaker INSIDE the computer works but not your sounds card
[10:32] <crum> hrmm
[10:32] <imbrandon> ie the bootup sound
[10:32] <nixternal> [15:33]  <ahmeni> Mmm.. apple bong..
[10:32] <nixternal> ghahaahhaha
[10:32] <crum> yeah
[10:32] <nixternal> roflmao
[10:33] <wasp_ems> i am having a problem..at some points everything starts to freeze..if i logout and in again it is ok.but it the quivalent of explorer getting stuck in windows..any help?
[10:33] <imbrandon> sounds like sounds card is not configured correcly
[10:33] <crum> dont they work simutaneously?
[10:33] <crum> gahh
[10:33] <imbrandon> crum no
[10:33] <crum> crum--->not mac savvy
[10:33] <crum> crum---->pc savvy
[10:34] <crum> boy...dont I look like a moronic boob
[10:34] <imbrandon> nah ;)
[10:34] <imbrandon> brb gonna grab some lunch
[10:35] <siefkencp> boob
[10:36] <siefkencp> sorry i had to chime in there
[10:36] <crum> hehe
[10:36] <crum> now..check this out
[10:36] <crum> i plugged in a set of headphones..
[10:36] <crum> now the front speaker is working
[10:37] <crum> mac---->sheesh
[10:37] <crum> oh well...keep pluggin along
[10:40] <javier> does the dapper kernel support reading cpu temperature from an nforce4 moderboard?
[10:46] <nixternal> javier...lmsensors is gonna be your issue right now..there is no native nforce4 support quite yet
[10:47] <nixternal> although..you might be able to get it work with the i2c-nforce2 driver w/in lmsensors
[10:48] <skreech> lol
[10:48] <EvilIdler> Is nforce3 supported?
[10:48] <nixternal> actually...i just looked up lmsensors web page
[10:48] <skreech> Of course it auto joins #kubuntu
[10:48] <nixternal> they do have nforce4 support
[10:48] <skreech> EvilIdler: Konversation
[10:48] <skreech> Wow this is hard to read
[10:48] <nixternal> http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/%7Elm78/newdrivers.html
[10:49] <nixternal> and of course..it uses the i2c-nforce2
[10:49] <nixternal> looks like the same smbus on nforce, nforce2, nforce3, and nforce4
[10:50] <javier> nixternal: the problem here is that bios reports cpu temperature, but /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty
[10:50] <nixternal> nforce4 support on 2.6.12 kernels and newer
[10:50] <EvilIdler> Good - my fileserver is up for a replacement board
[10:50] <nixternal> if i remember correctly...in the lm-sensors config...flip everything...for some odd reason it seems to fix any minor issues with lm-sensors
[10:51] <nixternal> so if i2c-nforce2 is onthe bottom lf the config file...put it up top and so forth
[10:51] <nixternal> i haven't reconfigured lm-sensors...and truthfully..don't know if i will...cuz everytime i do..i spend to much time playing around and writing stupid scripts for amusement ;D
[10:51] <javier> nixternal: I have another machine (laptop) and I can read cpu temp without lmsensors
[10:51] <nixternal> ksensors or whatever?
[10:51] <javier> I thought i could read cpu temp prom standar kernel
[10:51] <nixternal> i can do that too
[10:52] <javier> s/prom/from
[10:52] <sorcre> Hello, is there a way to switch from Gnome to KDE on Ubuntu without reinstalling Kubuntu?
[10:52] <sorcre> I have Konqueror setup and it seems to work fine.
[10:52] <javier> in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone
[10:52] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:52] <skreech> sorcre: You want to delete KDE?
[10:52] <HymnToLife> sorcre> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:52] <nixternal> ;D
[10:52] <sorcre> Thanks :D
[10:52] <HymnToLife> pwn3d :(
[10:52] <skreech> oh wiat read that backwards
[10:52] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:52] <nixternal> sorry HymnToLife
[10:52] <javier> nixternal:  any thoughts?
[10:53] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ( likes being late )
[10:53] <nixternal> my only thought is i wish i had that nforce4 board and you didn't right now ;D
[10:53] <nixternal> hmmm...lemme play around here and see what i can find
[10:53] <skreech> Where can I find the library mountconfig?
[10:53] <nixternal> i will go and mess with my nforce2 board for a minute or 2
[10:54] <nixternal> hmm...i dont' have lmsensors configured at all on that board either...hell...not even installed...and mine is fine
[10:55] <imbrandon> brb
[10:57] <javier> nixternal: that's the point...
[10:57] <nixternal> hmmm...it seems that on my setup the thermal_zone is the only thing with decent info that i could use
[10:58] <javier> mine is empty :(
[10:59] <nixternal> well...i am guessing that it is setup by default...because i didn't mess with that portion of the kernel yesterday when i recompiled it
[10:59] <nixternal> also...it is on htis machine too...which is an older kt233a mobo...but still it is in there
[10:59] <javier> yes
[11:00] <javier>  my laptop also shows that info
[11:00] <javier> so something's wrong here
[11:00] <nixternal> ya
[11:00] <javier> but don't know what
[11:00] <nixternal> i am wondering if it is a nforce4 issue
[11:00] <nixternal> what kernel are you running?
[11:00] <javier> lastest dapper
[11:00] <nixternal> o
[11:00] <nixternal> k
[11:00] <skreech> I just went to the System settings and under Disks a module failed to load
[11:00] <javier> 2.6.15.22
[11:00] <nixternal> so that supports nforce4 monitoring according to what i hvae seen
[11:02] <crum> is there a hot key combo that controls your audio volume...
[11:04] <skreech> Wow
[11:04] <skreech> Kubuntu just went crazy
[11:05] <javier> nixternal: i'll try booting from a live cd this weekend and see...
[11:05] <javier> I've filled a bug
[11:05] <javier> but I'm not very confident
[11:08] <DarkED> how do i make xgl work with kde?
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Ah ha!
[11:09] <sameer`> `-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' not found. i m getting this
[11:09] <sameer`> i have installed the fonts
[11:09] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu wnet nuts a while ago
[11:10] <sameer`> and done everything and checked /usr/share/doc/konsole/README.Linux-font for help.
[11:10] <DaSkreech> Still is going nuts actually :(
[11:10] <sameer`> but no help :(
[11:11] <DaSkreech> I"m not sure where to start
[11:11] <DaSkreech> X is the main boker addict
[11:11] <DaSkreech> bonker
[11:12] <DaSkreech> ok
[11:15] <nixternal> whew....fiery habenero doritos are not friendly the day after
[11:16] <exhale> does anyone know what console based text editors that are included in kubuntu?
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> vim
[11:16] <exhale> except vim.
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> ed
[11:16] <nixternal> nano
[11:16] <nixternal> vi
[11:16] <nixternal> pico
[11:17] <exhale> nano isnt in kubuntu-desktop
[11:17] <nixternal> it is a konsole based editor with mine
[11:17] <exhale> heh i just installed it and nano isnt there
[11:17] <nixternal> hmm
[11:17] <nixternal> it was for me
[11:17] <nixternal> dapper flight 7
[11:18] <exhale> i did a server install and then apted kubuntu-desktop
[11:18] <exhale> o, im using the stable
[11:18] <nixternal> actually...i have had nano with every install...because i just started using nano
[11:18] <nixternal> i used to vi
[11:18] <exhale> hmm weird
[11:18] <nixternal> ya it is
[11:18] <exhale> thats really weird :|
[11:18] <nixternal> maybe i was thinking of mepis stable that had it included...but i know for a fact it is in dapper
[11:19] <mpathy> Hi there.. Is it possible that the button for konqueror who let me change the type of view (icons, list, tree etc.) is not available in Kubuntus KDE?
[11:19] <sameer`> can some pls help me with konsole font
[11:19] <exhale> bbl
[11:19] <SlimG> anyone know of a good php editor with code autocompletion for Kubuntu (or linux in general)?
[11:20] <mpathy> SlimG, Quanta should have one..
[11:20] <EvilIdler> mpathy: Try the kcontrol program and look for an option there
[11:20] <SlimG> mpathy: thanks :)
[11:21] <sorcre_> I just installed KDE on Ubuntu. Is there a way to remove Gnome? Or should I just leave it alone?
[11:21] <nixternal> sudo apt-get -remove ubuntu-desktop
[11:21] <robotgeek> nixternal: that does not remove gnome
[11:21] <nixternal> it was worth a try ;D
[11:21] <EvilIdler> Try aptitude for removal
[11:22] <Bazzi> aptitude may be skilled enough
[11:22] <mpathy> EvilIdler, ?!? Its a little button that is available in every Konqueror of every KDE I used before on other distributions, and I strongly believe that this is only a Konqueror thing!
[11:23] <sorcre_> Just to check, Kubuntu still uses apt / Synaptic right?
[11:23] <mpathy> But its not there, and I have to go the a submenu in a menu and that drives me insane (really *g*) on Nautilus its the biggest button you can see, and in Kubuntus Konqueror its lost ;)
[11:23] <robotgeek> http://robotgeek.org/wiki/ShellScripts/CleanPackage sorcre_
[11:23] <DaSkreech> sorcre_: It uses adept
[11:24] <DaSkreech> Ok What the heck just happend :(
[11:24] <DaSkreech> All my desktop files were just messed up and
[11:24] <sorcre_> robotgeek: Should I put that in a text file and execute it?
[11:25] <robotgeek> sorcre_: yes. also make sure to chmod +x it
[11:25] <EvilIdler> mpathy: There's a "Save settings" option under the Settings menu, which you can use after changing the view under View, at least
[11:26] <DaSkreech> Anyone use Konversation?
[11:28] <sorcre_> So I'm assuming I shouldn't use apt-get anymore...
[11:29] <DaSkreech> sorcre_: Use what you like this is the land of the Penguin man
[11:29] <mpathy> EvilIdler, sure :) But what should I save? If there would be a button I wouldnt ask :) I am using KDE since 4 years or so.. Never seen sth. like that before
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> Use aptitude all the time and you will always be ok but if you don't install something with aptitude then its useless (the dependancies are tracked)
[11:29] <DaSkreech> I read that as you have been using KDE4 for years now
[11:29] <EvilIdler> mpathy: You should mention it to some devs. I think removing a button is bad, too.
[11:29] <noteventime> I can't play elephants dream in kaffeine :(
[11:30] <DaSkreech> mpathy: Sorry for jumping in What button is this?
[11:30] <sorcre_> Thanks a lot :D
[11:32] <mpathy> DaSkreech, thanks for jumping *g* The button where you can choose the view of the files in the Konqueror, if they should be icons, a list, a tree view etc. - and I also searched the "Configure Toolbars" (or what it is called in english) for the button but I found none..
[11:32] <orco> Hi! I'm not sure what happens but I cannot hear any sound from xine motor
[11:33] <sameer`> can pls some one help me with konsol fonts
[11:33] <sameer`> `-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' <---i get this error
[11:33] <sameer`> and done everything and checked /usr/share/doc/konsole/README.Linux-font for help.
[11:33] <sameer`> but nothing
[11:33] <sameer`> font still cann't be found
[11:33] <sameer`> :(
[11:34] <nixternal> lol
[11:37] <kOpter> Yello :)
[11:37] <kOpter> Does anyone know if a Geforce 2 MX will be enough for XGL?
[11:39] <mpathy> DaSkreech, its (in my opinion) the mostly used button in a file manager, so I ask myself why noone can tell be about :) I really cannot believe its not available under Kubuntu.. That would be too much "simplifying" for me and I would have think about switching to a desktop enviroment where, for example, the stay with the problem, the button I talked about, is the biggest button in nautilus :) and some other reasons (KWifiManager not wor
[11:39] <mpathy> king -> have to use shell scripts, URL Handler broken -> after installation of a KDE WebDev program all links are send to Quanta or send to Konqueror but as a file://tmp/ link..) and such things
[11:40] <mpathy> -the +to
[11:40] <nixternal> brb
[11:41] <EvilIdler> I actually only set the view once and never touch it again, but it would be silly to think everyone uses Konqueror the same way
[11:42] <EvilIdler> mpathy: I think I found it - switch on the main toolbar
[11:43] <mpathy> EvilIdler, and how it is called?
[11:44] <EvilIdler> mpathy: Setting->Toolbars->Main
[11:45] <mpathy> EvilIdler, yes, I know where it SHOULD be, but how it is called? I looked at that window for 10 min before ;)
[11:45] <kOpter> Does anyone know if a Geforce 2 MX will be enough for XGL?
[11:45] <EvilIdler> mpathy: Well, it's the Settings menu on mine.
[11:45] <EvilIdler> First option under that.
[11:47] <mpathy> EvilIdler, I know where I can configure the toolbars ;) Or, do you mean the first entry in the toolbar configuration dialog? not at my Kubuntu ;)
[11:48] <EvilIdler> mpathy: I mean the Settings *menu*. Not a dialog of any sort.
[11:48] <qalimas> Is there a way to compile every package over again for 686, or download a 686-optimized (K)Ubuntu?
[11:48] <EvilIdler> qalimas: You won't gain any noticable difference.
[11:49] <qalimas> Why not? I use Arch currently, and it's all 686, and it's speed is uch greater than Kubuntu and Ubuntu's
[11:49] <qalimas> The only reason I use Arch is for it's great speed
[11:49] <qalimas> I installed a 686 kernel on my desktop under Kubuntu, and it speed up a bit
[11:49] <EvilIdler> qalimas: The kernel and certain server programs are generally where you can gain most speed, and X itself
[11:50] <EvilIdler> qalimas: But if you want to build, read the apt-get manpage on getting a source with the build option
[11:50] <qalimas> So just running a 686 kernel with 386 apps can keep me fast, or as fast as I want?
[11:50] <qalimas> Ok, thank you
[11:51] <mpathy> EvilIdler, okay.. then its not there here..
[11:51] <EvilIdler> qalimas: Optimised kernel, X and the core KDE libs would go far to speed up your system. GUI apps spend their time waiting for slow humans, anyway ;)
[11:51] <EvilIdler> mpathy: Weird. Dunno what's wrong in your installation, then :/
[11:52] <EvilIdler> I switched on the Main toolbar, and get 7 buttons, including 3 for different views
[11:53] <qalimas> Are there prebuild kdelibs and X packages for 686?  I found the kernel in apt, and I fear compiling something as important as X :P
[11:53] <mpathy> EvilIdler, I think I reinstall my system, with the beta 2 of dapper.. I think otherwise I try to get it for years
[11:54] <EvilIdler> qalimas: I'm running a 686 image on a PIV
[11:55] <qalimas> PIV?
[11:55] <EvilIdler> qalimas: linux-image-2.6.12-10-686 is one that I can see
[11:55] <EvilIdler> qalimas: Yeah, Intel
[11:55] <qalimas> Yes, I think that's what I'm using
[11:55] <nixternal`v2> hehe..p4
[11:55] <qalimas> Oh, P4, I'm sorry, I have never seen it written as PIV
[11:55] <nixternal`v2> it got me too
[11:55] <nixternal`v2> i was like..what is a piv
[11:56] <EvilIdler> qalimas: Optimising for later CPU architectures mainly aligns code to 4k, 8k, whatever sizes
[11:56] <qalimas> lol
[11:56] <EvilIdler> Intel *love* the Roman numerals ;)
[11:56] <nixternal> thought it was some super puter
[11:56] <EvilIdler> And It says 'PIV' in the dpkg
[11:56] <DaSkreech> mpathy: What is under your settings menu for Konqi?
[11:57] <qalimas> I don't know how the architecture packages work, at this point, I don't care yet, I'm still learning the new stuff, but I do know I run Arch on my laptop, and it's almost twice as fast as Kubuntu was on it
[11:57] <qalimas> I'd like to make Kubuntu work as good, because Arch isn't as laptop friendly, but the speed and such has me spoiled
[11:57] <EvilIdler> qalimas: Stuff reacts instantly here. Can't get faster than instant :)
[11:57] <nixternal> i ran arch on my lappy to...the fastest distro i have used...damn small linux...the 2nd fastest is xubuntu
[11:57] <EvilIdler> P4 2.66, GeForce FX 5700LE
[11:57] <qalimas> It's instant on my laptop... under Arch, not Kubuntu :P
[11:57] <nixternal> i had issue after issue with dsl
[11:58] <nixternal> i will say that i have noticed a little bit of a slowness with flight 7 that i hadn't noticed b4
[11:59] <nixternal> now..my kubuntu desktop doesn't beat my xp desktop in boot, or load
[11:59] <qalimas> Kubuntu's boot is rather slow, until you put in InitNG
[11:59] <nixternal> when i had previous version...it flew..never seen linux so fast...and my kernel is lean and mean...andi odn't have a million things running either
[11:59] <nixternal> i haven't even needed to use initNG cuz of my speeds
[11:59] <kOpter> So.. did anyone see the songfestival semi-finals?
[11:59] <nixternal> now i might just check it out cuz i am not satisfied
[11:59] <qalimas> I'm only on a Athlon 2800, speeds aren't THAT impressive :P
[12:00] <nixternal> can't say that i did kOpter
[12:00] <qalimas> But a 13 second boot beats a 60 second one
[12:00] <kOpter> :)
[12:00] <nixternal> im on a 2000+ and they have been very impressive until i did the flight 7...i mean it is still good...but not good enough for me
[12:00] <kOpter> Just remember to vote for Lordi on saterday :)
[12:00] <nixternal> ya..i was at 23 seconds from grub to desktop
[12:00] <nixternal> now im int he 40's to 50's
[12:01] <robotgeek> i never reboot :)
[12:01] <qalimas> robotgeek: My desktop goes down at night because of light, and my laptop simply because I never go ANYWHERE without it, at school, it's completely invaluble :P
[12:01] <nixternal> uh oh
[12:01] <robotgeek> qalimas: sleep ;)
[12:01] <qalimas> So I have to shutdown often, but need a quick boot so I don't get left behind when taking notes
[12:01] <nixternal> that server went down
[12:01] <nixternal> lol
[12:01] <qalimas> lol
[12:02] <kOpter> Reboot :)?
[12:02] <nixternal> hahaha
[12:02] <qalimas> damn, a shitload got kicked on every channel
[12:02] <nixternal> see robotgeek...you talked about never rebooting and look what you did to the server ;D