[11:08] <GNAM> @schedule Europe/Rome
[11:08] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:31] <jjesse> @agenda Detriot
[01:31] <jjesse> @agenda Detroit
[01:32] <Mithrandir> jjesse: @schedule
[01:33] <jjesse> Mithrandir: thanks
[01:33] <jjesse> @schedule Detroit
[01:33] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Detroit: 18 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 17:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 16:00: Technical Board | 24 May 09:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 16:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:25] <freeflying> @schedule Shanghai
[02:25] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 18 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 May 05:00: Kubuntu | 24 May 04:00: Technical Board | 24 May 21:30: Xubuntu | 25 May 04:00: Edubuntu | 26 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:00] <bluefoxicy> UDT?
[03:00] <bluefoxicy> in... an hour?
[03:07] <GNAM> @schedule Europe/Italy
[03:07] <GNAM> @schedule Europe/Rome
[03:07] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 18 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:07] <bluefoxicy> @schedule United States/New York
[03:08] <bluefoxicy> @schedule EST
[03:08] <Ubugtu> Schedule for EST: 18 May 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 16:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 15:00: Technical Board | 24 May 08:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:13] <bluefoxicy> Any idea how long the Development Team meeting is going to last about?
[03:15] <Kamion> 90 minutes
[03:16] <Kamion> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-May/000137.html
[03:18] <bluefoxicy> I'll check back here in an hour anda half then.
[03:19] <zul> hey jeff
[03:19] <jbailey> Heya Chuck!
[03:20] <ajmitch> morning jeff
[03:21] <jbailey> Hi Andrew.
[03:25] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: it *starts* in about 35 minutes, though.
[03:25] <bluefoxicy> ah
[03:25] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  <bluefoxicy> @schedule EST
 Schedule for EST: 18 May 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 16:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 15:00: Technical
[03:25] <bluefoxicy> It's 9:21 here
[03:26] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: I bet it's also EDT, not EST
[03:26] <Kamion> being summer and all
[03:26] <bluefoxicy> I guess.  I'm set to New york time.
[03:26] <bluefoxicy> Who invented this crap.
[03:26] <Kamion> New York is EDT when daylight savings is in effect
[03:27] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  Tell The Man that he shouldn't be messing with time and there's 24 hours in a day, not 23 once in a while and 25 at other times.
[03:29] <bluefoxicy> anyway, too much noise in the signal.
[03:29] <bluefoxicy> This going to be a Dapper discussion or is somebody slipping in something about Edgy today?
[03:30] <jbailey> @schedule America/Montreal
[03:30] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 18 May 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 17:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 16:00: Technical Board | 24 May 09:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 16:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:31] <jbailey> SYSV time codes suck.  Use something modern =)
[03:31] <jbailey> Ubugtu: thanks.
[03:35] <zul> meh...there should be America/Ottawa ;)
[03:35] <bluefoxicy> @schedule Canada/Ottawa
[03:36] <jbailey> zul: Toronto's there.
[03:36] <jbailey> But yeah, they're missing a few cities.
[03:36] <zul> zul: yeah toronto thinks its the center of the universe though
[03:40] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: expect us to be concentrating primarily on dapper
[03:40] <bluefoxicy> zul:  Vile described it more as "I live in the middle of f--ing nowhere"
[03:41] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  nods.
[03:42] <bluefoxicy> Kamion:  I'm waiting to see how Edgy is going to go anyway... dapper is on a late release, that puts Edgy 4 months away if it steps back to get on-schedule.
[03:43] <jbailey> bluefoxicy: I'm sure that we can probably break more than enough in 4 months to keep everyone happy. ;)
[03:43] <bluefoxicy> haha I saw that
[03:43] <bluefoxicy> mark was like "..... as a result Edgy won't be quite as polished as dapper..."
[03:43] <Kamion> 4 months is the current plan, yes
[03:43] <Kamion> well, 4.5
[03:44] <janimo> is there a place where only the edgy specs can be seen?
[03:45] <ranf> hi
[03:45] <jjesse> i don't think the edgy specs have been created yet
[03:45] <janimo> I did not find a way of sorting specs accoring to creation date
[03:45] <janimo> well proposals for the summit Imean
[03:45] <janimo> I saw at least one which was made recently and is aimed at edgy
[03:57] <pitti> hello!
[03:58] <ajmitch> hi
[03:58] <Mithrandir> pong!
[03:58] <zul> hi pitti 
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> hey pitti.
[03:58] <JaneW> ping: BenC, doko, dholbach,  Kamion,  Kinnison ,  mvo, ogra, Riddell, sfflaw
[03:58] <dholbach> pong
[03:59] <pitti> JaneW: doko is in Mexico at debconf, probably asleep
[04:00] <Riddell> hi JaneW 
[04:00] <JaneW> what's Mexico's TZ?
[04:00] <JaneW> @schedule Mexico
[04:00] <Kamion> here
[04:00] <zul> central standard time i think
[04:00] <JaneW> UTC -?
[04:00] <pitti> JaneW: should be very early morning now
[04:00] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~ > TZ=Mexico/General date
[04:00] <Mithrandir> tor mai 18 09:00:45 CDT 2006
[04:00] <Kamion> @schedule America/Mexico_City
[04:00] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Mexico_City: Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 May 16:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 15:00: Technical Board | 24 May 08:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[04:00] <iwj> While we're waiting, I thought I'd just ask: is there anyone who doesn't think these meetings would be less inconvenient if they were all an hour earlier ?
[04:00] <pitti> -9ish?
[04:01] <Mithrandir> iwj: I'm hoping we can revisit the schedule in paris since I think the current one is a fits-nobody rather than a fits-somebody-most-of-the-time.
[04:01] <pitti> iwj: I don't particularly mind the time of all but the 0200 UTC one, and having this one earlier would be great for me
[04:01] <JaneW> ping: BenC, doko, dholbach,  Kinnison ,  ogra,  sfflaw
[04:01] <Kamion> has anyone SMSed mz?
[04:01] <Kamion> mdz?
[04:01] <ogra> cough
[04:02] <JaneW> the solution is easy, move mdz East
[04:02] <JaneW> hi ogra 
[04:02] <zul> heh
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch:  aw come on, 3am isn't too late ;)
[04:02] <dholbach> JaneW: I ponged you two times :)
[04:02] <Mithrandir> pitti: having the 0200 UTC one at 2200 UTC or so would be nice, agreed.
[04:02] <JaneW> dholbach: sorry
[04:02] <Keybuk> Kamion: sms sent
[04:02] <jbailey> JaneW: I'm sure the Californian would *love* Montral weather right now. =)
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> pitti:  can we talk after the meeting?
[04:02] <iwj> Hmm, yes, 0700 in US/Pacific now.
[04:02] <pitti> bluefoxicy: yes
[04:02] <zul> jbailey, its not that bad
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> pitti:  nods.  Thanks.
[04:03] <JaneW> fabbione gave appologies, since he is on vac
[04:03] <JaneW> I am not certain if mdz is planning to attend or not
[04:03] <JaneW> I would have thought so though
[04:03] <JaneW> he wanted the meeting to be 90 minutes
[04:04] <Kamion> I would very much like to have mdz here at this point in the release cycle
[04:04] <Mithrandir> somebody call him?
[04:04] <Mithrandir> it's just at 0900 in the morning.
[04:04] <Kamion> I've lost my voice so I can't
[04:04] <jbailey> I can easily.  Got a phone,  cheap calls form here.
[04:04] <Keybuk> went to voicemail
[04:04] <Kamion> anyway, let's get started in the meantime
[04:05] <JaneW> Kamion: yes me too, this is not a regular run down
[04:05] <JaneW> jbailey: DOIT
[04:05] <sivang> hi all
[04:05] <JaneW> hi BenC 
[04:05] <BenC> hello
[04:05] <Kamion> BenC: you're up
[04:05] <BenC> finally :)
[04:05] <Keybuk> did we forget infinity again? :)
[04:05] <jbailey> JaneW: he's looking for internet right now, pl ease start without him.
[04:06] <infinity> I'm here.
[04:06] <JaneW> jbailey: right thanks
[04:06] <Keybuk> just checking <g>
[04:06] <JaneW> ok lets start from the top this week
[04:06] <infinity> BenC: We need that new kernel upload yesterday, BTW.
[04:06] <BenC> hold off on me till later in the meeting, I am real busy getting this kernel done
[04:06] <Kamion> BenC: no, I mean you're up in the meeting :-)
[04:06] <Kamion> ok
[04:06] <Kamion> dholbach: 
[04:06] <dholbach> IconMission: ubuntu-artwork transitioned to icon-naming-utils, some glitches to fix up -- icon page now reflects the state of affairs (requested/missing icons)
[04:06] <dholbach> BugMission: HUG DAY next week, catching up
[04:06] <dholbach> this week (done): icon mission, mass-filed some more motu bugs, bug triage
[04:06] <dholbach> this week (todo): more bug triage, more bug fixing, do uploads until Matt closes the gates :-)
[04:06] <dholbach> next week: cd testing, bug triage, bug fixing
[04:06] <BenC> (thanks)
[04:06] <Kamion> how far away is the artwork from final?
[04:07] <Kamion> not that artwork has *ever* delayed releases before, oh no
[04:07] <dholbach> if you look at http://daniel.holba.ch/ubuntu/ic/ you will notice the icon sizes in RED which are missing
[04:07] <dholbach> the most important ones are SVGs
[04:07] <Riddell> dholbach: you'll be keeping an eye on all those KDE recompiles?
[04:07] <dholbach> and I pray and hope they get done soon :(
[04:07] <dholbach> however that's not in my hands
[04:07] <dholbach> Riddell: yes
[04:08] <Riddell> thanks
[04:08] <seb128> dholbach: will you try to have an eye to keep on GNOME stuff too? :p
[04:08] <dholbach> apart from that the splash and the wallpapers will get the "Ubuntu Dapper Beta" removed, which is easy enough
[04:08] <dholbach> seb128: yes :-)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> dholbach: about those kde recompiles - if we could get a list on what still needs fixing, after the rebuild, that would be awesome.
[04:09] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I'm doing all of main today (8-9 are missing) - I can do a new universe list soon, but not today
[04:09] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I'll let you know
[04:09] <Hobbsee> dholbach: excellent, thanks.  sounds good to me.
[04:09] <JaneW> dholbach: are the bug days done for dapper, or are you holding some lasy ones?
[04:10] <JaneW> last
[04:10] <dholbach> JaneW: I think we should do them.
[04:10] <JaneW> dholbach: yup, when?
[04:10] <dholbach> wednesday too?
[04:10] <iwj> Kamion: Don't talk to me about artwork.  See mails about ff themes.  More on this when it's my turn ...
[04:10] <BenC> dholbach: was the kernel bug day done...did I miss it?
[04:10] <JaneW> tomorrow (NOT)
[04:10] <pitti> for triaging they are nice, we just won't be able to fix many bugs any more next week
[04:10] <dholbach> BenC: it seems you missed it :-(
[04:11] <infinity> Only Major blocking bugs next week, and perhaps some "polish" bugs.  That's about all we'll tackle.
[04:11] <dholbach> This one went a bit chaotic, I must admit, with Simon missing and me caught up in the icon mission.
[04:11] <infinity> So, I'm not sure how much value bug days will be.
[04:11] <Kamion> ah, welcome mdz
[04:11] <mdz> laggy but here
[04:11] <dholbach> hi mdz
[04:11] <JaneW> hi mdz
[04:11] <mdz> Kamion: can you paste me a log to date?
[04:11] <Keybuk> mdz: you're up next
[04:11] <dholbach> infinity: I think it's still good to do it
[04:11] <Kamion> mdz: will do, just a moment
[04:11] <BenC> dholbach: The wiki was done last Friday, so whenever you feel like scheduling a triage for kernel bugs...
[04:12] <Mithrandir> infinity: getting rid of unconfirmed bugs is always good, though
[04:12] <dholbach> BenC: thanks
[04:12] <infinity> Mithrandir: True, but not if it detracts heavily from testing images and finding showstoppers.
[04:12] <infinity> (and fixing those)
[04:12] <Mithrandir> infinity: true
[04:12] <dholbach> if it gets new people involved in bug triage, I think that's worthwhile
[04:13] <JaneW> ok BenC are you ready now?
[04:13] <mdz> Kamion: regarding artwork, we are in an unfortunate position of being at sabdfl's mercy
[04:13] <JaneW> while mdz catches up...
[04:13] <BenC> yes
[04:13] <BenC> * Kernel: Final build is completing as we meet. Lots of last minute patches. This is actually a much larger upload than I had planned. It's not a huge amount of code, but it's a lot of trivial and minor things that should make dapper really complete.
[04:13] <BenC> * Anything else: Not really...
[04:14] <BenC> pretty to the point really
[04:14] <mdz> Kamion: he insists on icon updates through the 29th
[04:14] <Kamion> ok, thanks dholbach
[04:14] <Kamion> doko is not here (vacation?)
[04:14] <Kamion> fabbione: around?
[04:14] <infinity> mdz: Gah.
[04:14] <Kamion> mdz: what a novelty
[04:14] <Kamion> mdz: !
[04:14] <JaneW> doko is in mexico
[04:14] <Kamion> so much for a release candidate!
[04:14] <fabbione> Kamion: yes but i am in holidays
[04:14] <fabbione> Kamion: so i have no update whatsoever
[04:14] <Kamion> ok
[04:14] <mdz> Kamion: exactly
[04:15] <Kamion> mdz: what are the chances of negotiation here?
[04:15] <mdz> Kamion: the discussion has been closed, at least for now
[04:15] <mdz> I'm sorry
[04:15] <mdz> Kamion: yes, doko is on holiday
[04:15] <JaneW> mdz/kamion: we are missing doko (debconf), fabbione (vac)  Kinnison ? ,   sfflaw ?
[04:16] <Kamion> ok, apparently nobody wants to ask anything about the kernel :)
[04:16] <mdz> JaneW: sfllaw is on vacation as well
[04:16] <JaneW> ok thanks
[04:16] <infinity> Kamion: I'm happy if it gets uploaded, really. :)
[04:16] <Kamion> heno: around?
[04:16] <mdz> I have no information about Kinnison
[04:16] <Kamion> infinity: me too ...
[04:16] <Kamion> IIRC Kinnison is embroiled in moving, but I could be wrong
[04:16] <heno> Kamion: yes, I'm up?
[04:16] <mdz> ah, possibly. would be on StaffCalendar if so
[04:17] <Kamion> heno: yep, if you have anything
[04:17] <seb128> he mailed warthogs list say he's on vac from 12th to 19th
[04:17] <heno>  * accessibility: Live CD: gok is still broken (but works on my desktop) -- bug #42308. The magnifier fails to start automatically, but starts from the terminal (bug #45413). The SoC projects seem to be off to a good start.
[04:17] <heno>  * example-content: updating screenshots and fixing typos.
[04:17] <heno>  * popcon: helped Tollef make http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ a bit less ugly
[04:17] <heno>  * ubuntu-artwork: does this need more input from me? We are moving one high viz theme in here and leaving the rest in accessibility-themes. seb128, dholbach?
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42308 in gok "On-screen keyboard (gok v1.0.7-0ubuntu3) fails" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42308
[04:17] <heno>  * website: I'm giving the front page a bit of a face-lift for the dapper release. I also expect a number random updates just before the release as usual.
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45413 in gnopernicus "Fails to start automatically on Live CD 20060518 " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45413
[04:17] <Kamion> yes, StaffCalendar says Kinnison is away this week moving, but will be back next week
[04:18] <Mithrandir> heno: I got a minor update for casper from Luke, do you have more stuff you need in to fix gok/gnopernicus or don't you know yet?
[04:18] <Kamion> heno: are we at a reasonable stopping point accessibility-wise? I know I haven't had much time to work on ubiquity accessibility] 
[04:18] <heno> Mithrandir: it looks like that update might have broken the magnifier launch
[04:18] <Riddell> heno: I'll probably update the kubuntu.org page with dapper artwork at some point, can you do the wiki.k.o template?
[04:19] <Mithrandir> heno: that update is sitting on my hard drive, so I doubt it.
[04:19] <heno> Kamion: yes, over all it's looking very good
[04:19] <heno> a few more fixes would be good
[04:19] <heno> but I'm very pleased overall
[04:19] <heno> Riddell: can do
[04:20] <heno> Mithrandir: oic, something has broken it though
[04:20] <heno> Mithrandir: anyway, I'll test again after your update
[04:20] <Mithrandir> heno: it just changes fonts, so just test as soon as you have time.
[04:21] <heno> Mithrandir: ok, that one. cool
[04:21] <heno> k, I'm done
[04:21] <mdz> thanks heno
[04:21] <mdz> infinity?
[04:22] <infinity> last week: Other than a hard drive crash and recovery, there was lots and lots of bugfixing in initramfs-tools, thunderbird, and other random packages that got in my way during the week.  Also, spent some time looking into the OOo build failures, but am still currently stumped (and haven't had the time to get un-stumped)
[04:22] <infinity> next week: Preparing for RC, doing as many release critical bugfixes as I can manage, and making sure soyuz runs as smoothly as possible while we head into the final stretch.
[04:22] <mdz> infinity: I'm behind on mail and upgrades; did the initramfs-tools ENOSPC bug get fixed?
[04:22] <infinity> mdz: Did you get anywhere with OOo?
[04:22] <mdz> I did not, no
[04:22] <infinity> mdz: The ENOSPC one is the only Major bug unfixed.  I spent a fair chunk of today looking into it, and it'll be a 2 or 3 line fix that I can make first thing Monday morning, if that's cool.
[04:23] <infinity> mdz: Just wanted to map it out and make sure I wasn't insane before I made the "obvious" fix and it turned out not to be.
[04:23] <mdz> infinity: I don't think an update on Monday would be a very good idea
[04:23] <mdz> though maybe if I saw the patch?
[04:23] <infinity> Well, I can do it tomorrow and owe you a drink.   Whatever suits.
[04:24] <mdz> send it to me and I will do it tomorrow if it feels safe
[04:24] <infinity> I'll pass you a patch tomorrow (it's too late now to be writing it in the first place)
[04:24] <mdz> oh, we don't have a patch yet
[04:24] <infinity> No, just the "this is how it should work" in my head, and the fact that it's simple.
[04:25] <infinity> I could give you an instructional patch, and you could code it pretty much identically to how I would.
[04:25] <infinity> So, yeah.  No worries.  I'll mail you in the morning.
[04:25] <infinity> I have nothing else to do before tomorrow evening anyway.
[04:25] <infinity> We'll work out who owes who a drink and why later.
[04:25] <mdz> if we don't even have a patch, then it ought to wait until after release
[04:26] <infinity> It's the least evil of all the bugs, since it's one that will bite the user in other ways anyway.  But I still want it fixed.
[04:26] <infinity> Anyhow, we can continue this out of band, I don't want to hold up the meeting.
[04:26] <mdz> it's hopefully unlikely to affect the install
[04:26] <mdz> right
[04:26] <mdz> infinity: thanks
[04:26] <mdz> iwj: next?
[04:27] <iwj> Last week: bugs, firefox, firefox themes, firefox startpage translation, etc.
[04:28] <iwj> Next week: testing and any panics that turn up.  Only 22 ff bugmails unread atm.
[04:28] <iwj> Stuff to discuss:
[04:28] <iwj> Bugs: I was expecting a mail or ping from sfllaw about helping with bug triage (he was going to set up a wiki page for the untriaged worrysome ones).
[04:28] <iwj> gdebi .deb installer: I think this should be disabled for ordinery `open' in firefox and on the desktop.  Users who need to do this ought to be familiar with the command line.  But there is some disagreement (Malone 41993).  Same question for Wine (Malone 24829).
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41993 in firefox "possible "malware" entry way?Firefox provides acess to open .deb files directly with gdebi" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41993
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 24829 in firefox "Firefox proposes to open .exe files with Wine" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/24829
[04:28] <iwj> Firefox known must fix issues: Malone 44062 (cookies on .co.uk), Malone 40067 (ppc), Malone 44487 (file clashes)
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44062 in firefox "Firefox allows cookies to be set for second-level domain hierarchies" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44062
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40067 in firefox "firefox freezes after a few secs on ppc" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40067
[04:28] <iwj> Firefox themes: Frank Schoep says his ff themes package's Human is still missing a few icons.  sabdfl was keen to have Human as the default.  It all seems a bit confused and I'm sure it's about to be frantic ...
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44487 in firefox "upgrade to firefox 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.3-0ubuntu2 fails" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44487
[04:28] <iwj> Firefox: any thing else that really needs to be fixed, be sure to talk to me and get an ack, or it might fall through the cracks.
[04:28] <iwj> Firefox ppc problem (Malone 40067): I'm a bit stuck here, not having a PPC machine to test with ...
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40067 in firefox "firefox freezes after a few secs on ppc" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40067
[04:28] <iwj> (Sorry about the delay, my new client's paste trip fooled me.)
[04:28] <mdz> iwj: sfllaw is on holiday this week
[04:28] <iwj> Oh.
[04:28] <mdz> but expect to hear from him soon regarding the RC test procedures
[04:28] <iwj> Right.
[04:29] <mdz> you should all have received an email about the hardware survey from him
[04:29] <JaneW> yes
[04:29] <pitti> iwj: I can help you with testing ppc stuff
[04:29] <iwj> pitti: Thanks.
[04:29] <iwj> We can talk offline.
[04:29] <pitti> iwj: (although it runs just fine for me on iBook)
[04:29] <iwj> I'd like decisions about the mime config for *.deb and *.exe.
[04:29] <iwj> pitti: Oh :-/.
[04:30] <iwj> And also some idea of what's happening about these themes.
[04:30] <Kamion> I'm not sure I'm up to making a decision on the firefox themes thing
[04:30] <Kamion> was hoping mdz had more of the sabdfl-related background there
[04:30] <mdz> if the theme isn't ready, we shouldn't push it
[04:30] <mdz> iwj: can it be made available but not the default?
[04:30] <iwj> mdz: OK.  So I'll make it the default iff Frank says to do so ?
[04:30] <iwj> Yes.
[04:30] <mdz> then let's do that
[04:30] <iwj> I was definitely going to do that with your permission.
[04:31] <mdz> the sab may step in and change his mind on that, but let's leave it alone otherwise
[04:31] <iwj> Changing the default is a new firefox and thus has a nontrivial lead time.
[04:31] <iwj> (Not in effort, but the computers have to whirr lots.)
[04:31] <mdz> I'll follow up on the email thread on that
[04:31] <iwj> Right, thanks.
[04:31] <mdz> iwj: thanks
[04:31] <mdz> Kamion: next?
[04:31] <iwj> So, *.deb and *.exe.  ATM the former runs gdebi if you click on it (web page or desktop) and the latter runs wine.
[04:31] <mdz> er
[04:32] <mdz> JaneW: next?
[04:32] <iwj> I want to disable both of these.
[04:32] <JaneW> This week:
[04:32] <JaneW> * Ubuntu Dev Team Meeting report.
[04:32] <JaneW> * Lots and lots of Google SoC admin and co-ords - please finalise the app selections. Google to allocate project numbers later today. Projects to be granted on Monday.
[04:32] <JaneW> * Lots and lots of Paris Ubuntu dev Summit planning, sending out invites, responding to enquirieds and coordinating incoming info.
[04:32] <JaneW> * tested shipit and placed orders for Dapper.
[04:32] <JaneW> *Edubuntu meeting, final requirements for Dapper, new site launched and wiki cleanups in progress.
[04:32] <JaneW> * Discussions with management etc.
[04:32] <mdz> last week's report has an unfortunate page break ;-)
[04:32] <JaneW> Next week:
[04:32] <JaneW> * Finalise SoC project selections. Students to be notified, and welcomed and settled with their mentors.
[04:32] <JaneW> * More UDS planning - should be able to hand this to clan from next week.
[04:32] <JaneW> * Get edubuntu wiki cleanups finished.
[04:32] <JaneW> Needed: guys to finsihs SoC rankings, and start on edgy specs (as they can)
[04:32] <mvo> iwj: I think that is not too bad, what about changing it to "save" by default for gdebi but leave gdebi as defaultopen action?
[04:32] <mdz> eek, that's soon
[04:32] <JaneW> and send Paris confirmation so we can aranage that properly
[04:33] <mdz> I'll need to look over the projects tomorrow or over the weekend
[04:33] <iwj> mvo: I'm not sure I know how to do that.
[04:33] <mvo> iwj: lets talk about it after the meeting
[04:33] <JaneW> mdz: yes time sucks a lot, sorry
[04:33] <JaneW> time=timing
[04:33] <mdz> does everyone have their travel arrangements for Paris in the wiki now?
[04:33] <iwj> mvo: Err, OK.  I was hoping (since everyone tends to have an opinion about this) to have a decision from this meeting.
[04:33] <Kamion> oh, damn, I don't yet, but it's just a train booking
[04:33] <JaneW> mdz: now only 3 or 4
[04:33] <Kamion> I'll deal with it tomorrow
[04:34] <ogra> me too
[04:34] <mdz> ok, please do so
[04:34] <mdz> JaneW: is it a problem to wait until after the release to gather the list of edgy specs?
[04:34] <mdz> that's my preferred timeline
[04:35] <seb128> mdz: not yet, but I plan to take the train so no hurry ... will update it anyway ;)
[04:35] <mdz> we'll all be far too busy
[04:35] <JaneW> mdz: yes, sabdfl wanted them before Paris, but between release and Paris should be good
[04:35] <Riddell> JaneW: are you going to assign mentors to all the projects?
[04:35] <mdz> right
[04:35] <JaneW> Riddell: yes, but prefereably as selected by the mentors themselves
[04:35] <pitti> I rated all the projects and picked one I would mentor - is that good enough for now, or are there more things to be done?
[04:35] <mdz> JaneW: what's the deadline for assigning mentors?
[04:36] <JaneW> we asked for 25 SoC projects, we'll likely get 15-20
[04:36] <iwj> gdebi> I must be wrong about everyone having an opinion.  I'll talk to mvo about it in #ubuntu-devel after this meeting.
[04:36] <JaneW> Goodle will decide project counts today or tomororw and deadline for project mentor /allocations is Monday
[04:36] <ajmitch> JaneW: are you getting all SoC projects written up as edgy specs by the students?
[04:36] <Keybuk> heh, Goodle
[04:37] <mdz> JaneW: hmm, so we need to assign mentors before we know how many projects we have?
[04:37] <JaneW> ajmitch: yes, no, maybe, TBD ;)
[04:37] <ajmitch> heh
[04:37] <mdz> (and therefore which ones)
[04:37] <JaneW> mdz: not entirely, but they are allocating the counts absed on how organised the orgs are, so we can change it over the week-end, but we need to have selected our top projects at least asap
[04:38] <JaneW> and then at least made an attemot to match mentors to them
[04:38] <mdz> JaneW: how many of our top projects have no mentors yet?
[04:39] <mdz> (many or few?)
[04:39] <JaneW> well all top projects have a mentor name who said 'I would mentor this'
[04:39] <JaneW> that's how they got to the top
[04:39] <JaneW> at least half are assigned I think
[04:39] <seb128> JaneW: they are not "top scores" though, are they?
[04:40] <JaneW> by selecting 'I would mentor this' that app gets sent to the top purple section in numerical score order (and 4 points are added to score)
[04:40] <mdz> (FYI: I am on the pavement outside the conference area to get wireless and have only 38 minutes of battery)
[04:40] <Kamion> shall we keep moving, then?
[04:40] <JaneW> ok lets move on
[04:40] <JaneW> mail or ping me with these q's
[04:40] <mdz> yes
[04:40] <Kamion> ubiquity: Nearly there. Last changes needed: better handling of install.py crashes / close button, support for ship-live, probably one or two other bits and pieces. I've added basic noninteractive UTC/local hardware clock configuration but unfortunately I think it's too late for new UI for this.
[04:41] <Kamion> misc: Fixed DVD images, I believe. Have been hoovering up miscellaneous bugs elsewhere. The last two I urgently want to deal with is to try to fix automounting when using the auto-resizer, which has been a persistent source of bugs since Breezy; and, if I get good feedback, possibly reverting yaboot to gcc-3.3. Also CD renaming, ship-live (current size increase would be ~27MB, may be able to trim that).
[04:41] <Kamion> anyone have opinions about ship-live (i.e. archive that goes on live CDs that people can use without having to have network access)?
[04:41] <Kamion> at the moment I have build-essential and kernel headers and stuff, plus the hardware and network access section from ship
[04:41] <mdz> Mithrandir: can you use your unholy bandwidth for DVD testing today?
[04:42] <Kamion> nvidia-glx is rather fat and I should probably drop it
[04:42] <Mithrandir> mdz: yes, that should work.
[04:42] <Kamion> saving ~4MB
[04:42] <mvo> mdz: I can test the i386 one too
[04:42] <mdz> Kamion: what's our default for UTC/local?  same as before?
[04:42] <Kamion> mdz: local if you have Windows installed, UTC if not or if we can't tell
[04:43] <mdz> right
[04:43] <mdz> unfortunately that's rather tricky to change after installation; I didn't even notice it was missing from the UI until you mentioned it
[04:43] <Kamion> Keybuk: I think it's feasible to install from the network?
[04:43] <mdz> yes, should be
[04:44] <Kamion> mdz: it *can* be added to the timezone page, it's just a little hairy and seems rather late
[04:44] <mdz> I'm pretty torn about ship-live
[04:44] <mdz> it's not very feasible for most folks to install things as huge as build-essential+linux-headers in the live environment anyway
[04:44] <Kamion> it's not intended for installation in the live environment
[04:44] <mdz> Kamion: it's a confusing question anyway
[04:44] <Kamion> the intention is for ubiquity to set it up as an apt source for after installation
[04:45] <mdz> did we get langpacks for the live seed sorted out?
[04:45] <Kamion> mdz: agreed, although given the clock being shown in ubiquity it's less confusing that it would otherwise be
[04:45] <Mithrandir> Kamion: just put it into /var/cache/apt/archives on the cd?
[04:45] <Kamion> but my inclination is to defer to edgy
[04:45] <pitti> mdz: I mailed you back, I'd like to do that after the next set of langpacks on monday
[04:45] <Kamion> Mithrandir: I think we discussed that before, I'm not fond of that approach
[04:45] <Mithrandir> ok
[04:46] <mdz> pitti: monday will have a tight schedule, I expect
[04:46] <mdz> since we want to do a full test cycle
[04:46] <Kamion> (for reasons I remember articulating but am a bit too broken to articulate now ...)
[04:46] <pitti> mdz: I didn't get a new tarball in the last two days; if today's works, we can also use them
[04:46] <Kamion> mdz: I've been deferring langpacks until after sorting out ship-live, anyway
[04:46] <Kamion> how about I ditch build-essential+linux-headers from ship-live and keep the network access stuff
[04:46] <pitti> Kamion++
[04:46] <Kamion> that should bring it down to a less controversial size
[04:47] <mdz> Kamion: I'm less concerned about size than adding new features
[04:47] <zakame> hi all
[04:47] <Kamion> mdz: I'm mostly worried that it was one of the biggest negative review points about the beta
[04:48] <Kamion> and I think it will affect a lot of shipit users
[04:48] <Kamion> I agree it's late in the day
[04:48] <mdz> having it on the CD will allow for a documented procedure
[04:49] <mdz> without having to change ubiquity to tie it in automagically
[04:49] <mdz> users generally need instructions for how to get this stuff going anyway; they don't know the names of the packages they need to build a kernel module etc.
[04:49] <mdz> but we're very short on time (and me on battery)
[04:49] <Kamion> for the record it's a one-line change, but fair enough :)
[04:49] <mdz> Kamion: will try to call after the meeting
[04:49] <Kamion> ok
[04:50] <mdz> Kamion: mail me a diff then
[04:50] <mdz> Kamion: thanks
[04:50] <mdz> Keybuk: next?
[04:50] <Keybuk> Nothing uniquely interesting to report this week; many bugs fixed.
[04:50] <Keybuk> I can do custom Malone reports like http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/reports/ on request now.
[04:50] <Keybuk> #
[04:50] <mdz> Keybuk: interface renaming sorted once and for all?
[04:50] <Keybuk> I don't think interface renaming will ever be sorted :)
[04:50] <mdz> is the archive admin request backlog cleared now?
[04:50] <mdz> how does anastacia look?
[04:51] <Keybuk> had to abandon the iftab upgrade stuff, it broke more than it fixed
[04:51] <infinity> nearly empty.
[04:51] <Kamion> anastacia is a thing of beauty
[04:51] <Keybuk> I had an FTP blitz today, backlog is gone
[04:51] <infinity> Scott attacked her with great vigor.
[04:51] <ogra> Keybuk deserves a goldstar for anastacia :)
[04:51] <mdz> fabulous
[04:51] <mdz> Keybuk: thanks
[04:51] <mdz> Mithrandir: next?
[04:51] <Mithrandir> misc: casper hacking, xkeyboard-config updates, oem-config cleanups, popcon.ubuntu.com updates
[04:51] <Keybuk> the only two things there are xubuntu things that scare pitti
[04:51] <Mithrandir> next week: release preparations, testing
[04:51] <Mithrandir> blocked: no
[04:52] <mdz> is oem-config functional again now?
[04:52] <Mithrandir> mdz: worked for me.  It's a bit warty, but it works.
[04:52] <Kamion> Mithrandir: did you manage to nail the bug where oem-config's locale screen is wrong first time round?
[04:52] <Kamion> or was that one of the ones that had gone away by itself?
[04:52] <Mithrandir> Kamion: no, it's still there and I need to track it down.
[04:52] <Mithrandir> sorry. :-(
[04:52] <Kamion> ok
[04:53] <mdz> ok
[04:53] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks
[04:53] <mdz> mvo: next?
[04:53] <mvo> Did:
[04:53] <mvo> - lots of bug triage/fixing
[04:53] <mvo> - 3rd party packages work
[04:53] <mvo> - some work on the ppc chroot on dholbachs machine
[04:53] <mvo> - helped dholbach with the icons a bit
[04:53] <mvo> - Goggle SoC review
[04:53] <mvo> - Dist-upgrade tool work (improved free space checking, auto-detect/show installed demotions from main->universe, progress reporting, fixes)
[04:53] <mvo> Will do:
[04:53] <mvo> - testing/fixing RC bugs
[04:53] <mvo> - make the ppc upgrade tester run automatically (need manual start right now)
[04:53] <mdz> mvo: anything in the commercial repository?
[04:53] <mvo> - improve to the auto-dist-upgrade testing script (add a "install-radom-but-not-yet-tested bunch of packages" and try to dist-upgrade them)
[04:54] <Kamion> oh, sorry mvo, I never did get a chance to look at your ubiquity auto-upgrade code
[04:54] <mvo> mdz: not yet unfortunately :(
[04:54] <Kamion> I think it might be too late now :-(
[04:54] <mvo> mdz: but we are getting there I hope
[04:54] <Kamion> unless mdz says doit
[04:54] <mdz> mvo: upgrade tool finalized for release now?
[04:54] <mvo> Kamion: yeah, I added it late unfortnately
[04:54] <mdz> Kamion: I said dontdoit
[04:54] <Kamion> all right
[04:54] <mvo> mdz: I think so, unless something new comes up of course (major problem etc)
[04:55] <mvo> but still little feedback recently
[04:55] <mvo> for the tool
[04:55] <mdz> ok
[04:55] <mdz> mvo: thanks
[04:55] <mdz> ogra: next?
[04:55] <ogra> * general: triage/fix RC bugs, final polish (artwork/docs) for edubuntu CDs, solved final size problems with amd64
[04:55] <ogra> g
[04:55] <ogra> * still fighting with RUNNING_UNDER_GDM in gnome-screensaver
[04:55] <ogra> * next-week: RC testing, fix bugs where allowed
[04:55] <mdz> mvo: please ask elmo for download stats to see whether it's being used any more than before
[04:56] <mvo> mdz: will do, thanks
[04:56] <mdz> ogra: so all edubuntu CDs are properly sized now?
[04:56] <ogra> mdz, next build will be
[04:56] <mdz> ok
[04:56] <ogra> i didnt want to extra trigger a build now ...
[04:56] <mdz> RUNNING_UNDER_GDM is not the end of the world, but it is a regression and we can't fix it post-release :-/
[04:56] <ogra> yes
[04:57] <mdz> do you need help with it?
[04:57] <ogra> i'm still digging
[04:57] <mdz> please get a second pair of eyes on it
[04:57] <mdz> Keybuk: can you lend a hand?
[04:57] <ogra> ok
[04:57] <Keybuk> mdz: next week?
[04:58] <mdz> Keybuk: after the meeting?
[04:58] <mdz> gar
[04:58] <ogra> as i did ...
[04:58] <Keybuk> I blame infinity, he started it
[04:58] <ogra> nah, that was a usplash issue
[04:58] <ogra> not his fault 
[04:58] <mdz> ok, I have 20 minute sbattery
[04:58] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[04:58] <mdz> pitti: next?
[04:59] <pitti> reducing-duplication: no progress since last week, and we should leave this alone for dapper now; the current state is very good already
[04:59] <pitti> firewall: no answer from Carsten yet, I pinged him again today
[04:59] <pitti> done last week:
[04:59] <pitti>  * security: MySQL, Quagga
[04:59] <pitti>  * mostly killed my list of 24 dapper-targeted bugs: fixed 23, one wishlist/needinfo bug is left
[04:59] <pitti>  * lots of important printing bug fixes; if you still have annoying printer failures, speak now or never! :)
[04:59] <pitti>  * bug triage status: fully caught up with my bug mbox; no showstopper bugs in my +{assigned,package}bugs list any more; still need to go over the printing bugs once more
[04:59] <pitti>  * set up fully automatic daily language pack building (apt'able, great feedback from translators and testers)
[04:59] <pitti>  * SoC applications review and ranking
[04:59] <pitti> plan for next week:
[04:59] <pitti>  * tbird 1.5.0.2 will make it into dapper today, update m-tbird-locale-all for it (planned for the evening today)
[04:59] <pitti>  * upload new langpacks, fill CDs with langpacks (coordinate with Kamion)
[04:59] <pitti>  * the usual CD testing and major bug fixing rave
[05:00] <mdz> pitti: any feedback on the printing situation?
[05:00] <mdz> a bit late for a call for testing unfortunately
[05:00] <pitti> mdz: yes, a lot of happy users answering in the bug reports :)
[05:00] <mdz> good
[05:00] <mdz> not an unreasonable thing to fix post-release if necessary
[05:00] <mdz> pitti: thanks
[05:00] <mdz> Riddell: next?
[05:00] <Riddell> done: kubuntu-docs i18n, rosetta support fixes, cups 1.2 checking, trying to get floppy support working, map on kde ubiquity
[05:00] <Riddell> also: new amarok and koffice releases
[05:00] <Riddell> next week: bug triage and fixing, make sure all language-pack-kde-base-xx packages have the needed files
[05:01] <bddebian> amarok.. eeks
[05:01] <Riddell> bddebian: amarok 1.4 isn't getting near dapper
[05:01] <mdz> Riddell: new amarok and koffice?
[05:02] <Riddell> mdz: I made dapper packages, as I say amarok 1.4 isn't getting in dapper.  koffice 1.5.1 I may ask for UVF exception, I think they want to release it today
[05:03] <mdz> Riddell: I'm not likely to approve new upstream versions today unless the diff is eyeballable
[05:03] <mdz> we're at the 11th hour
[05:03] <Riddell> that won't be the case, I'm fine with not getting a UVF exception
[05:03] <mdz> ok; if it proves solid it can go into -updates
[05:04] <mdz> but let's not risk it for RC/final
[05:04] <mdz> Riddell: thanks
[05:04] <mdz> seb128: next?
[05:04] <seb128> This week:
[05:04] <seb128> - lot of bugs triaged and fixed
[05:04] <seb128> - some GNOME updates and bunch of patches from CVS backported
[05:04] <seb128> - panel changes to the help submenu
[05:04] <seb128> - made epiphany changes to use a localized startup page
[05:04] <seb128> - tried different daily liveCDs
[05:04] <seb128> - registred for GUADEC
[05:04] <seb128> - reviewed google SoC projects list
[05:04] <seb128> .
[05:04] <seb128> Next week: 
[05:04] <seb128> - looking to french translations
[05:04] <seb128> - trying CD images
[05:04] <seb128> - fixing bugs for dapper
[05:05] <seb128> mdz: speaking about new version, did you read my mail about new intltool?
[05:05] <mdz> seb128: I saw it in my box this morning but have not read it
[05:05] <mdz> seb128: if I don't get to it, defer to Kamion
[05:05] <seb128> k
[05:06] <mdz> seb128: panel changes are final now, yes?
[05:06] <seb128> If I have to upload it tomorrow, I'll not pay you a drink for it :p
[05:06] <seb128> mdz: yep, only the book item destination to change
[05:07] <mdz> we still don't have the book content?  when will it arrive?
[05:07] <seb128> no idea
[05:07] <seb128> who knows about it?
[05:07] <dholbach> silbs should, no?
[05:07] <seb128> who is supposed to package that?
[05:07] <mdz> seb128: can you point the menu at a nonexistent file where we will put the book, instead of the firefox page?
[05:07] <mdz> seb128: so we don't have to change it later?
[05:07] <seb128> mdz: I tried to get that location but you were not around and mdke didn't know
[05:08] <seb128> should I fix a placeholder myself? or is there somebody to ping about it?
[05:08] <mdz> seb128: please mail silbs and explain that we need the book content *immediately*
[05:08] <seb128> ok
[05:09] <mdz> in which package should we put the book content?
[05:09] <mdz> example-content?
[05:09] <mdz> ubuntu-docs?
[05:09] <Kamion> remind me, isn't the book content to be unpacked onto the CD somewhere as well?
[05:09] <seb128> ubuntu-docs I think
[05:09] <mdz> 9 minutes battery remaining
[05:09] <Kamion> or do I misremember?
[05:09] <seb128> or new package...
[05:09] <Riddell> if it's ubuntu-docs it needs to be in kubuntu-docs too
[05:09] <mdz> but the room is open now and I can move inside soon
[05:09] <sladen> does it not deserve its own package if it's fairly large?
[05:09] <mdz> Kamion: I don't remember that; it's too late for that sort of thing
[05:09] <mdz> sladen: likewsie
[05:09] <Kamion> mdz: good
[05:09] <jjesse> isn't ubuntu-docs only supposed to be the docs written by the docteam?
[05:10] <mdz> jjesse: hmm, the package description does say that
[05:10] <sivang> the book is written by some of the docteam people no?
[05:10] <seb128> Kamion: what do you mean by "unpacked onto the CD"?
[05:10] <jjesse> also just speaking of the kubuntu chapter, the html content isn't ready yet
[05:10] <Kamion> seb128: never mind
[05:10] <seb128> alright
[05:11] <heno> i'm happy to put it in example-content
[05:11] <seb128> as far as the destination pointed by the menu item is available I don't care ;)
[05:11] <heno> (when we get acopy)
[05:11] <jjesse> sivang: yes some of the stuff is being written by members of the doc team
[05:12] <mdz> I have power now
[05:12] <heno> seb128: I can make a dummy file now that you can point to
[05:12] <mdz> heno: I'm fine with example-content as well, but we need the content
[05:12] <sivang> heh
[05:12] <mdz> I'll call silbs after the meeting
[05:12] <seb128> heno: the issue is not to have a real file or not, it's just to not the filename to use
[05:13] <silbs> hey, quit talking about me!
[05:13] <seb128> s/not/know
[05:13] <seb128> silbs: right, we need you ;)
[05:13] <mdz> silbs: do you have the book content in hand?
[05:13] <heno> seb128: right, so I can make a file which will act as the TOC for the chapters we include
[05:14] <silbs> mdz: nope.  I told you in email on 5 May that it wouldn't be available till 23 May. I can check and get an update on that, but I don't have content now
[05:14] <heno> silbs: but we have a rough idea of the form it wil take right?
[05:14] <silbs> heno: we have sizes and we know it is html
[05:14] <heno> silbs: a collectiojn of HTML and images
[05:15] <heno> right
[05:15] <heno> that should be ok
[05:15] <silbs> heno: yes. I need to look up size but we have that
[05:15] <heno> I'll make a dir call book
[05:15] <mdz> O(megabytes)
[05:15] <heno> and a dummy html file next to it
[05:15] <mdz> heno: thanks, coordinate with seb128 to get the panel changed
[05:16] <heno> mdz: ok
[05:16] <silbs> Desktop chapters - 2.9MB each, Support chapter - around 2.3MB
[05:16] <dholbach> heno: poke me for the upload - we can get the others typos etc fixed with that.
[05:16] <heno> dholbach: yep
[05:16] <mdz> ok
[05:16] <mdz> so here's my list of disasters for next week:
[05:16] <mdz> - ooo build failure
[05:16] <mdz> - book excerpt
[05:16] <mdz> - gnome-screensaver RUNNING_UNDER_GDM
[05:17] <Keybuk> mdz: that last one's fixed
[05:17] <mdz> Keybuk: sweet
[05:17] <Riddell> heno: poke me too when uploaded, I'll see if I can add it to khelpcentre
[05:17] <mdz> what else am I missing?
[05:17] <Keybuk> helps if RUNNING_UNDER_GDM is in the allowed_env_vars[]  list :p
[05:17] <heno> Riddell: ok
[05:17] <mdz> oh, and
[05:17] <mdz> - sounds
[05:17] <mdz> - artwork
[05:17] <mdz> (esp. icons)
[05:18] <Kamion> kubuntu language packs are apparently not being installed by ubiquity at the moment; that's on my list for this afternoon
[05:18] <Kamion> ^Wevening
[05:18] <mdz> eek
[05:18] <Mithrandir> ^Wnight^Wlate night ?
[05:18] <Kamion> but I expect to be done with that by today
[05:18] <mdz> is that a recent regression, or nobody noticed in the past few months?
[05:18] <Kamion> people noticed but nobody shouted loud enough to get it to the top of my list
[05:19] <Kamion> which, as you may have noticed, has been a bit long lately
[05:19] <Kamion> anyway, I expect it's trivial, the infrastructure is all there for it
[05:20] <mdz> ok
[05:20] <mdz> anything else?
[05:21] <Kamion> sounds like we're done
[05:21] <pitti> happy free day tomorrow! :)
[05:22] <seb128> happy free day ;)
[05:22] <mdz> indeed, rest up and try not to think about ubuntu for a few days ;-)
[05:22] <Keybuk> I'm going to switch all of my computers off for the weekend
[05:22] <bluefoxicy> (days are always free of course; hackers only work at night)
[05:22] <Keybuk> well, probably not the mail server ;)
[05:22] <mdz> if you think of any other disasters, please mail me
[05:22] <mdz> thanks, everyone
[05:22] <Keybuk> mdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/notforwarded.html btw
[05:22] <JaneW> thanks
[05:22] <pitti> thanks, folks
[05:23] <mvo> thanks
[05:23] <Keybuk> mdz: uh, http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/reports/notforwarded.html
[05:23] <pitti> I don't want either, but I have to :/
[05:23] <Mithrandir> ok, then I'm off. I'm starving.
[05:24] <jbailey> Keybuk: Interesting report.
[05:25] <pitti> bye