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blue-froghi guys anyone to help me restrict a user to log on following a time range pls?12:12
blue-frogguys/gals..12:12
blue-frogi have weird things happening when i do so12:13
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HedgeMageI've never tried it, but let me poke around and see what I find12:16
blue-frogi explain quickly12:17
blue-froguser time restriction works ok12:17
blue-frogbut12:17
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blue-frogas soon as i add account required pam_time.so in /etc/pam.d/common-account12:17
Burgworkblue-frog, you want users to only be able to login for a certain amount of time?12:17
blue-frogthe gksudo doesn't work for my admin account12:18
blue-frogburgwork i want them to be able to log on between 15:00 and 17:0012:18
blue-frogbut if they logon at 16:45 i want them to be disconnected at 17:0012:19
blue-frogso far pam_time.so does the trick for the first part12:19
blue-frogbut if they log on at 16:45 then they can use the puter forever..12:19
blue-frogtried timeoutd but i must be using a wrong syntax12:20
blue-frogfor /etc/timeouts i wrote..12:20
blue-frogAl1900-2000:*:joe:*:LOGIN12:21
blue-frogbut when joe logs on at 17:00 he is not disconnected after one minute as timeoutd is supposed to do12:22
blue-frogand timeoutd is running of course12:22
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blue-frogany idea?12:32
HedgeMagehmmm12:32
HedgeMageI think you may know more about this particular topic than me... sorry12:33
HedgeMageogra is a good person to ask that kind of thing, when he's around12:33
blue-frog:0 ok ty12:33
HedgeMagenp12:35
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jsgotangcogood morning02:28
LaserJockhi jsgotangco 02:29
jsgotangcohmm new kernel02:31
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cbx33hey all07:24
cbx33Burgundavia, 07:24
Burgundaviasalut cbx33 07:24
cbx33howz it going?07:25
cbx33I'm just gonna grab my breakfast07:25
BurgundaviaI have done the reorg, but haven't done the final piece of writing07:25
cbx33then I'll be heading off07:25
cbx33ok07:25
cbx33what ws the final piece?07:25
Burgundaviashould have something within the hour07:25
cbx33ok np07:25
cbx33well I'll be leaving in about 35 minutes ;)07:26
cbx33I'll try to start orgaising screen shots07:27
Burgundaviaexcellent07:27
cbx33I think we have all normal apps, but I'll have to get all the edu apps because I don;t think HedgeMage included those in her tarball07:27
cbx33right I'm going to eat now07:28
Burgundaviawe might have some in the repo already07:29
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BurgundaviaLaserJock, you around still?08:54
LaserJockBurgundavia: not really08:56
LaserJockBurgundavia: is it quick?08:56
BurgundaviaLaserJock, I wanted to ask you opinion on the ESA08:57
BurgundaviaI have a half finished edit, shoudl I commit it?08:57
Burgundaviait validates, it just looks ugly08:57
LaserJockyeah, I can work on it in the morning if you want08:59
Burgundaviaok, will do08:59
BurgundaviaI will add a comment about what I was thinking09:00
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BurgundaviaLaser_away, committed09:02
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cbx33mornin all, just poking my head in09:27
cbx33ping ogra 09:29
cbx33you'd better not reply, you're supposed to be sleeping09:29
cbx33:)09:29
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ajaycMODERATORS10:22
ajaycwhere r u?10:22
ajaycanyone?10:22
ajaycEDUBUNTU GOT SHIPT PUT IT IN THE TOPIC10:23
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ajaycblue-frog: hi10:27
blue-froghi10:27
ajaycarent moderatore here?10:27
ajaycthere is shipit for edubuntu10:27
ajayc!help10:33
ajayc!topic add shipit.edubuntu.org10:34
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ubotu] : Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/ || shipit.edubuntu.org (ajayc)
ajayc!topic add SHIPIT !!! AVAILABLE FOR EDUBUNTU ENJOY!!!10:35
ajayc!TOPIC REMOVE -110:35
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ajayc!TOPIC RESTORE10:36
ajayc!TOPIC RESTORE 310:36
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ajayc!TOPIC add Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu,10:37
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ajayc          download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List10:37
ajayc          http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org |10:37
ajayc          Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read before10:37
ajayc          installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out10:37
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ajay!topic add Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org |10:41
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ajay          Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read before10:41
ajay          installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out10:41
ajay          http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/ || shipit.edubuntu.org 10:41
blue-frogI installed timeoutd on my breezy, I have a script tiemoutd in /etc/init.d. what command must I use to run timeoutd at boot time, pls? (update-rc?)10:42
ajaydamn i messed the topic10:42
ajayany idea how to restore?10:42
ajay!topic add Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org |Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read beforeinstalling: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out10:43
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ubotu] : shipit.edubuntu.org (ajayc) || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, (ajayc) || Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org (|ajay) || Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org |Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read beforeinstalling: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out (ajay)
ajayhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/ || shipit.edubuntu.org 10:43
ajayahh now its fine10:43
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ajaychi guys11:51
ajaycanyone there?11:51
cbx33hi11:53
lucasvohi12:20
lucasvocbx33: what do you think:  http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/Journal.png or http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/UbuntuJournal.png12:20
lucasvo?12:20
cbx33hi12:22
cbx33just gotta...hang on12:22
cbx33i can't get there at the mo12:23
lucasvoproxy?12:23
cbx33could you possibly attach it to a wiki opage?12:23
cbx33indeed12:23
cbx33it's beingfiltered12:23
lucasvohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuJournal?action=AttachFile12:24
lucasvocbx33: which one do you prefer?12:27
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cbx33 think ubuntutype.png12:29
cbx33as i fits with tubuntu marketting12:29
lucasvohm,12:30
lucasvoshould it fit the ubuntu marketing?12:31
cbx33i think everyone would be much more keen if it did12:32
lucasvowe don't do marketing, that's why I don't think it is a good idea12:32
cbx33as I think Burgwork mentinoed yesterday, ubuntus marketting has worked really well for them12:32
cbx33but it's instant ly recognisable as being ubuntu12:32
cbx33the ubuntu identity is really really strong12:32
lucasvoI think the emblem is strong enough12:33
lucasvoI tried out to do something with scribus12:35
lucasvoit was a disaster12:35
lucasvo:)12:35
cbx33at the end of the day, it is your project and ultimately your decision, but may find people are more willing to help if you are willing to stick to conventions - just my 2cents :p12:35
lucasvo:)12:36
cbx33scribus is cool,12:36
cbx33but needs some learning12:36
lucasvoMaybe I can ask www.elevendesign.ch to do the design12:36
lucasvocbx33: well, I wasn't able to write ANY text12:36
cbx33filtered12:36
cbx33lucasvo: oh?12:36
lucasvoI could add pictures and textboxes without problem12:37
cbx33i used it for the ESA mock pages12:37
cbx33right click a text box and goto edit text12:37
cbx33try that12:37
lucasvono12:37
lucasvoopening the story editor or clicking on the white "A" did work12:37
cbx33did or didn't12:37
lucasvobut then, it didn't reacto to my keyboard intput12:38
cbx33hich version12:38
lucasvoI could add text files in the story editor12:38
lucasvoScribus Version 1.2.4.112:38
cbx33ah12:39
lucasvo?12:39
cbx33i was using 1.312:39
cbx33it's more advanced12:39
cbx33brb12:40
lucasvocbx33: but it isn't in dapper12:40
lucasvois there a package12:42
lucasvo?12:42
cbx33no12:42
cbx33i compiled from source :p12:43
lucasvohttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/scribus/+bug/4556512:50
lucasvowhere is the bug channel?12:50
lucasvo #ubuntu-bugs?12:50
BugMaNyes12:51
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thundershirthi12:56
thundershirtanyone there?12:56
pschulz01thundershirt: hi there..12:59
thundershirthi pschulz01 12:59
thundershirtarent there any ops here?12:59
thundershirtcos man i had to change the topic01:00
thundershirtto tell shipit is available for edubuntu01:00
cbx33!seen bluekuja01:06
ubotubluekuja <n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 1d 13h 18m 46s ago, saying: 'cya #edubuntu'.01:06
lucasvocbx33: can you give me some info about your proxy01:08
lucasvoI want my hosting provider to look that they unblock it01:08
cbx33well, it's being blocked as a "personal website"01:12
cbx33it's nothing to do with your hosting company01:12
lucasvowhy?01:12
thundershirtahh someone01:12
thundershirtno op here?01:12
cbx33no01:12
thundershirthad to change topic myself01:13
thundershirtto tell bout shipit01:13
cbx33hoping to be at some point :p01:13
lucasvothundershirt: wait till ogra is around 01:13
lucasvohe'll fix it01:13
thundershirti put there in the topic01:13
cbx33ogra should be sleeping01:13
thundershirtshipit.edubuntu.org01:13
lucasvothundershirt: I already ordered cd's there01:13
thundershirtme too01:14
lucasvocbx33: the edubuntu fonts are crap01:14
lucasvo4556501:15
lucasvocbx33: why is it a personal site?01:17
lucasvowhat are you allowed to see?01:18
cbx33presumably because of the .ch01:18
lucasvo???01:18
lucasvowhy that?01:18
lucasvovincisolutions.org works?01:18
lucasvocbx33: that is discrimination!01:18
cbx33lucasvo: tell me about it01:19
lucasvoall CH domains get blocked01:19
cbx33vincisolutions.org is blocked too01:19
cbx33give me another .ch domain01:19
lucasvowww.switch.ch01:19
lucasvothat probably works01:20
lucasvohttp://www.nescafair.ch.vu/01:20
lucasvowww.eggdrop.ch01:20
cbx33http://www.nescafair.ch.vu/ works01:21
lucasvocbx33: which one DO work?01:21
lucasvohttp://www.scherr.ch.vu/ works?01:22
cbx33eggdrop works01:22
cbx33sorry doesnt01:22
lucasvo(same IP)01:23
lucasvowww.weyland.ch01:23
lucasvo?01:23
cbx33last one is apparently DNS error01:24
lucasvohuh01:24
lucasvoyes01:24
lucasvohttp://blog.weyland.ch/01:24
lucasvocbx33: and what about switch.ch?01:24
cbx33that works01:25
lucasvoswitch or blog.weyland.ch?01:25
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cbx33grr02:15
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blue-frogam at a loss to achieve the following. joe can only log in and use gdm from 3pm ot 5pm. if he logs in at 4.45pm he must be disconnected at 5pm. fiddled with pam_time and timeoutd but can't achieve what I want, hints/help most welcomed02:31
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saugilsrblue-frog: did u see this link? http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Linux/Linux_Administration/Q_20974796.html02:34
saugilsrmight be usefull02:34
blue-froglooking at it right away ty02:34
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saugilsrblue-frog: has a script at the bottom to use in a cron job..02:34
blue-froghum as it is said in the comment, the solution is kind of disgracefull :(02:40
saugilsrblue-frog: yeah  its not the best.. thought it might lead to another idea.. 02:49
blue-frogyep seems to me though no programs have been implemented to act like this so I may be forced to write a funky script02:50
blue-frogI have difficulty though to believe that am the first one to encounter such a problem02:51
blue-frogand that pam_time only checks at login time and no more afterwards02:51
blue-frogalso a weird behavior with pam_time, as soon as I put account required pam_time.so in common-account, gksudo keeps telling me password is wrong while sudo in console still works fine02:56
saugilsrthat is strange02:57
cbx33blue-frog: very strange :p02:57
blue-frogand in the auth log it tells me about pam_time can't get the tty name02:57
cbx33but then i have had problems with pam and other stuff too02:57
blue-frogand sudo authentication failure  while I was calling gksudo02:58
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lucasvolol03:30
lucasvocbx33: for that spec I got about 10000 karma :)03:31
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jryerUrgente/ayuda - Where can I download language support for spanish? Donde se descarga soporte de idiomas para espaniol?03:52
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jryerWhere can I download language support for spanish? Donde se descarga soporte de idiomas para espaniol? I need to install edubuntu spanish in a lab without internet from a CD.03:57
blue-froghave you installed spanish language on your laptop?03:58
blue-frogor your desktop03:58
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jryerWhere can I download language support for spanish? Donde se descarga soporte de idiomas para espaniol? I need to install edubuntu spanish in a lab without internet -- from a CD04:04
blue-froghave you installed spanish language on your laptop?04:04
blue-frogor your desktop04:04
jryerYes04:09
blue-frogthen you could copy /var/cache/apt/archives on a dvd and use it in the lab04:10
jryerThat easy? Is it that big that it needs to be a DVD?04:13
blue-frogarchives is big in the end.. now you could trace aonly the packages needed for the internationalisation and only copy them04:14
blue-frogor put yourlaptop (if any) in the lab network so you don't need to copy but only share /var/cache/apt/archives04:15
blue-frogthen use dkpg -i package name04:16
blue-frogthen use dkpg -i package_name04:16
blue-frogthen use dpkg -i package_name got it right this time04:16
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jryerHow do I share /var/cache/apt/archives?04:18
blue-frogadminstration/shared folders04:19
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ajaycogra, hi05:06
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jsgotangcoyo!1105:09
ajaycyo05:10
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mhzmoin you all05:37
lucasvohi mhz 05:37
ajaycmorning05:37
mhzhi lucasvo 05:37
ajaycman i never get reply05:37
mhzcould you solve your issue with dhcp?05:37
lucasvoajayc: what for?05:37
ajayclucasvo, ?????05:37
lucasvowhich question?05:37
ajaycno question05:37
ajayc:P05:37
lucasvoaha05:38
lucasvoajayc: how much karma do you have? :{05:38
lucasvo:P05:38
ajaycdunno05:38
ajayc:)05:38
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lucasvobut that's not very much05:38
ajaycLOL05:38
lucasvoajayc: don't you know LP karma?05:39
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lucasvomhz: what's up?05:41
lucasvomhz: are you willing to write an article?05:41
mhzagain?05:41
lucasvoagain???05:41
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lucasvoabout what05:41
mhzoh, but in spanish05:41
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mhzabout Edubuntu and the other about How FLOSS is key for sustainable development05:42
mhzlucasvo: oh, sure!05:42
mhzlucasvo: shipit is taking orders for ubuntu cd's05:45
mhzany ideas for edubuntu?05:45
ajaychow do u get chanserv to ur channel?05:48
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jsgotangcomhz: we will probably have that too with a limited print run05:49
jsgotangcobut only for x8605:49
mhzjsgotangco: thx, mon05:49
mhzjsgotangco: but not just yet?05:50
jsgotangcomhz: i have no details atm05:50
LaserJockJaneW: ping?05:51
jsgotangcoLaserJock: we can wish05:51
LaserJockshe must be very busy :-)05:52
JaneWLaserJock: I am here kind of05:53
mhzhmmm, bad girl05:53
JaneWalthough mdz chided me as we are meant to have the day off :)05:53
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mhzjsgotangco: come on! you dont want that ;)05:55
jsgotangcowhat i dont want day off?05:55
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mhzjsgotangco: get rid of alchool05:56
jsgotangcono way dude it stays int he blood but not in my brain05:56
michelhelp: we try to install a digital machine digital pc 3000 as client of edubuntu ltsp the graphic is not coming, any idea?05:57
jsgotangcoi had like 5 shots of tequila and im almost done05:57
JaneWjsgotangco: bad boy05:57
mhzjsgotangco: hmmm, the only alchool I like to drink is a brazilian one: Caipirina or some spelling like that05:57
jsgotangcoJaneW: hush, im inspired at the moment to write a release announcement05:58
michelhelp: we try to install a digital machine digital pc 3000 as client of edubuntu ltsp the graphic is not coming, any idea?05:58
mhzjsgotangco: lol05:58
JaneWjsgotangco: DOIT05:58
JaneWjsgotangco: but let me proof read it!05:58
mhz"Efrubuntu is.. a b erry cool distro aimedz forz zchools.."05:58
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jsgotangcomhz: i will probably smuggle dope wars into edubuntu soon05:59
jsgotangcoand a cokctail app05:59
mhzhehehe05:59
jsgotangcobamenda: digital machine is a brand/??05:59
mhzJaneW: any ideas when edubuntu cd's can be ordered? Any ideas on the design of cd labels?06:00
bamenda???06:00
bamendawe are in cameroon and we install ltsp please help us06:01
mhz?06:01
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LaserJockdarn it, I do that all the time in Firefox when I just want to close a tab and I end up closing the whole thing06:05
jsgotangcouse epiphany :)06:05
crimsunthat's why I use links!06:05
crimsun(sometimes I think the only reason I use gnome is to have dozens of terminal emulators open)06:06
jsgotangcoskype just worked with gdebi in edubuntu and didnt ask for deps06:06
jsgotangcolol06:06
LaserJockgdebi is supposed to do dep resolution?06:07
crimsunit does. Quite wonderfully, I might add.06:07
jsgotangcoyes06:07
jsgotangcoat least skype isnt an issue now for users in dapper06:07
jsgotangcounlike before which made people do awful hacks06:07
LaserJockcool, I'll have to try gdebi out some time, I don't often use .debs outside the repos06:09
crimsunif you click on a random deb, it uses gdebi automatically.06:09
jsgotangcoyeah06:09
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jsgotangcoit doest even need a manual06:10
JaneWmhz: shipit.edubuntu.com06:11
LaserJockwell, usually I just use wget and dpkg -i06:11
LaserJockbut gdebi sounds nice if I'm in a GUI mood06:11
crimsunLaserJock is hardcore like that. :-)06:11
mhzJaneW: and could we have some kind of additional info to fill in?06:12
mhzsuch as Organization name, intended use in Labs?06:13
mhzetc06:13
jsgotangcoJaneW: is Claire Newman new???06:18
LaserJockcrimsun: not so much hardcore, but I'm never on my Ubuntu box so I'm always ssh'ing in06:18
Yagisanumm, crimsun, how does gdebi work with 3rd party repos ?06:24
jsgotangcoit still relies on your sources.list06:25
LaserJockhow cool06:25
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Yagisanok. so it doesn't help for me then06:25
jsgotangcojust think of it as a setup.exe that looks elsewhere for other required apps06:26
jsgotangcoif needed06:26
Yagisanjsgotangco: in my case, it would need to look in the 3rd party repos to find the unmet deps06:26
jsgotangcoyes06:26
mhzYagisan: hi mon!!!06:27
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mhzYagisan: iirc, you got lots of experience on playing games in Linux?06:27
Yagisanjsgotangco: but if it already needs those repos added to the sources.list, then I'll just leave the instructions to use synaptic or aptitude up.06:27
Yagisanmhz: some, what's up ?06:27
cameroon1hello chanceline06:28
mhzI was contacted by a friend who lives out of a cybercaffee06:28
jsgotangcoYagisan: in your case that is true, but for some small apps that publish their own debs but rely on standard deps in the archives, its easy for some users06:28
jsgotangcoskype for instance06:28
mhzand saw Edubuntu in action, Yagisan and he loved it06:28
mhzso,06:28
mhzI said "let's use Edubuntu for both Edu purposes and Cyber purposes"06:29
jsgotangcoCyber06:29
jsgotangcolol06:29
mhzit was all cool until06:29
jsgotangcodoes he mean sexual in nature?06:29
mhzhe mentioned that at nights, all kids wanted to play on line games06:29
mhzjsgotangco: you had too many tequilas hehehe06:29
jsgotangcoyes06:30
cameroon1any eperience with edubuntu and cybecafe?06:30
mhzjsgotangco: and I wish you are not using edubuntu gilrl background06:30
jsgotangcomhz: no i now have an edubuntu chinese girl in front of me06:30
cameroon1which programm direqcafe?06:30
Yagisanmhz: I have some not so good news for you06:30
mhzelse you may be considering she's a japaneese school girl06:30
mhzhehehe06:30
mhz??06:30
mhzYagisan: ?06:31
Yagisanmhz: the thin clients have *no* accelerated opengl06:31
mhzoooohhhhhhh06:31
cameroon1not funny 06:31
jsgotangcoi need to sober up06:31
mhzthat's why TuxMath sucked via LTSP06:31
jsgotangcomhz: it does?06:31
jsgotangcotuxmath need opengl?06:31
mhzjsgotangco: yup06:31
mhzdont know if need it06:31
jsgotangcomhz: a math game needs opengl?06:31
mhzBUt sucked06:32
Yagisanmhz: and that basically stops gaming :( I get 1fps on doomsday on a client, and almost 200fps on same spec but disked box06:32
jsgotangcoyeah i would have believed you if it was Quake Math06:32
mhzI used a 2.x GHz AMD processor and 1 GHz of RAM06:32
mhzand 4 thin clients06:32
mhzover 10/100 network06:32
mhzi played TxMath in one... it scuked06:32
mhzsucked06:33
mhzYagisan: ohh06:33
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jsgotangcoi goota sleep06:34
jsgotangcociao06:34
LaserJockmhz: yeah, ogra told me yesterday that opengl wouldn't relly work over ltsp06:34
Yagisanmhz: I, uh, discovered this issue about 6 or so months ago06:34
mhzYagisan: so, solution would be: "install ubuntu boxes for gaming" and use Edubuntu on day time?06:34
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LaserJockmhz: I want to put some molecule rendering apps in but that wouldn't work so well unless the app was installed locally06:34
mhzYagisan: iiirc I believed you mentioned that06:34
mhzhmmm, would local devices work on clients?06:35
mhzlike LiveCd ?06:35
mhzYagisan: so, a Cyber could still use Linux for Gaming?06:36
Yagisanmhz: for now yes, an ubuntu box for gaming. ogra didn't have time in this development periods to help me investigate this, maybe in edgy with local apps and l-r-m we can get opengl working, but that would need a semi-decent thin client06:36
Yagisanmhz: yes, you can. depends on the games though06:36
mhzYagisan: afaik, Dapper is "stable" sales point, while Edgy is "eye candy" sales point06:37
mhzor not?06:37
Yagisanmhz: you really need either nvidia or a gpl'ed dri driver. ati binary isn't good for gaming06:37
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mhzYagisan: sure, Nvidia or GPL'ed dri driver06:38
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Yagisanmhz: possibly. myself, I prefer stable in all releases06:38
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mhzYagisan: so clustomers may decide to reboot into ubuntu for gaming, or just PXE booting for normal use06:38
michelhelp: we try to install a digital machine digital pc 3000 as client of edubuntu ltsp the graphic is not coming, any idea?06:38
mhzmichel: i dont understand "digital machine digital pc 3000"06:39
LaserJockmhz: the model of computer he is running06:39
mhzoooh06:40
Yagisanmhz: yes, that would work well. need to edit the grub menu though. not to hard.06:40
mhzsure06:40
mhzpiece of cake06:40
mhzYagisan: and which games are for sure okidoki for linux?06:40
mhzQuake?06:40
mhzAge of Emprires?06:40
Yagisanmhz: basically install ubuntu, that add pxe as an option and make it default. then hit up rom-o-matic for the images06:41
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michelthis is a digital PC the graphic card is S3 on board06:41
Yagisanmhz: ok. my general rule is, don't bother for the windows only games06:41
Yagisanmhz: they usually have copy protection crap that causes them to not run well (if at all)06:42
mhzYagisan: sure, but I am ignorant on games, you know. My only games in computers is Tetris and Xgalaga + Gcompris :D06:42
Yagisanmichel: no graphics on thin client or server ?06:42
mhzmichel: do thin clients boot up (get dhcp and see them booting?)06:42
michelyes no graphic 06:43
michelon the client06:43
michelyes06:43
michelit is ok until it should come to login but the light of the monitor turn to no signal06:43
Yagisanmhz: ok. TTBOMK, at the moment doom 3, quake 4, enemy territory, termulous, nexiuz, america's army, are all popular06:44
Yagisanmichel: your monitor does not support the video mode the client is trying to use06:44
mhzYagisan: wow, that should cover most preferences06:44
mhzi suppose06:45
ogramichel, did you follow the install notes (see channel topic)06:45
Yagisanmichel: if you have one in front of you, try pressing crtl, alt, and - at the same time06:45
Yagisanmhz: only a few. my doomsday is also nice, but not so widely played06:45
michelok i will try with another monitor thanks06:45
Yagisanmhz: then there are games like wesnoth06:45
ogramichel, also which version of edubuntu do you use ? breezy or dapper ?06:46
Yagisanmichel: this can be fixed, but we need to work out what the monitor can handle06:46
Yagisanmichel: because the video card can't tell (perhaps the monitor is old)06:46
ograYagisan, the x autodetection usually detects s3 cards right ...06:46
Yagisanogra: yes, but old monitors don't have dcc06:46
ograright, then it falls back to 1024x786 by default06:47
Yagisanogra: yep, which usually doesn't work on a 15 inch or less06:47
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kgoetzis ogra around at all?06:48
ajaychow to get chanservto a channel?06:48
kgoetzi'm wondering which edubuntu theme is default (plain or colours)06:48
ogranope, i'm not here (i'd risk my job if i'd be)06:48
kgoetzajayc: it joins creation of a new channel06:48
kgoetzogra: ok, :)06:48
ograkgoetz, colors with the chalkboard wallpaper06:48
ajayckgoetz, it didnt i created #vlos06:48
ajayccome there06:48
michelogra: edubuntu 5.1006:49
kgoetzogra: thanks. when i first set up edubntu it was still 'custom theme', so i set it to human, i'm trying to find out what eudubuntu looks like :)06:49
michelbreezy06:49
ogramichel, and you followed the install notes to set it up ?06:49
kgoetz*edubuntu (x2)06:49
ajaycHI ogra 06:49
ajaycman u op here?06:49
ograajayc, we dont want OPs in here06:50
ajaycno no06:50
ograthere is a list of people that can op or de-op06:50
ajayci just wanted the topic to be updated06:50
ograbut we usually dont use it06:50
ajayci did that myself later06:50
kgoetzogra: can i sugest you make the colours theme sugest the blackboard background? or is that more effort then it's worth06:50
ograso update it :)06:50
ajaycmessed up06:50
ajaycsee it06:50
ajayci wated to just put SHIPIT!!! in the starting06:50
ajayckgoetz, come to #vlos for a sec06:51
mhzYagisan and ogra, nice knowledge of hardware you 2 have!06:51
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kgoetzwoot. edubuntu look'n'feel06:51
michelogra: yes06:51
=== mhz would be still figuring out
Yagisanmhz: when I was younger, I wrote my own to os in assembler06:51
Yagisans/to/toy06:51
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org |Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out
Yagisanmhz: I discovered that some hardware was a real pain-in-the arse to use and detect06:52
kgoetzYagisan: :o you ...06:52
mhzYagisan: eeeek, assembler!!! man, you are ld :D06:52
mhzold06:52
Yagisanmhz: and fixing the stuff for several years helps06:52
=== mhz bows before Yagisan
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org |Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out
Yagisanmhz: I love assembler. great fun (until you reach 3 pages)06:53
ograsorry for the noise06:53
kgoetzhaha06:53
ajaycplease can someone tell me whose nick stays online always06:53
Yagisankgoetz: yes ?06:53
Yagisanajayc: ubotu ;)06:53
ajayccan i get ubotu to #vlos06:53
kgoetzYagisan: (02:21:24) Yagisan: mhz: when I was younger, I wrote my own to os in assembler06:53
kgoetz^ that 06:53
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ograkgoetz, just create a new user, it will use the edubuntu default theme06:54
Yagisanajayc: did you see the ;)06:54
ajaycYagisan, what?06:54
ajaycahh ok06:54
kgoetzogra: i got it sused, thanks :)06:54
ograkgoetz, also sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork ;)06:54
ajaycno i mean can i get ubotu there?06:54
kgoetzoh, lol. didnt think of that06:54
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mhzYagisan: it does...06:55
kgoetznighta lll06:55
mhznn06:55
kgoetzit's past my bedtime06:55
Yagisannight kgoetz06:55
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kgoetzlater all06:55
mhzogra: can we then remove tuxMath from Dapper ? :D06:57
mhzI mean if we know it will suck in LTSP env.06:58
mhzend-users (ltsp users_ may balme on Edubuntu06:58
mhzYagisan: and those games you mention, are all GPL'ed license ?07:10
=== mhz would love to have illutrations like these for Edubuntu
mhzhttp://www.rmichelson.com/Artist_Pages/Diterlizzi/Tony_Diterlizzi_Gallery-New.html07:10
Yagisanmhz: sadly no. most a closed source07:10
mhzYagisan: oh, I see07:11
Yagisanmhz: the open source ones are07:11
mhzbut they run in Linux, at least07:11
Yagisanmhz: termulous, nexiuz, wesnoth, doomsday07:11
Yagisanmhz: enemy territory and america's army are free of charge, but closed source07:12
mhzYagisan: one last question... do you know of any app that can be useful to control how long a workstation has been conected to internet? (kind of for Cybers)07:12
mhzor a GUI app that can let us stop what a station is doing?07:13
Yagisanmhz: off hand, no07:13
mhzYagisan: nice info07:13
mhzno worries07:13
mhzI'll keep looking07:14
mhzYagisan: THX a lot for useful info07:14
Yagisanmhz: what sort of games are you looking for07:14
Yagisanmhz: I have some links for you07:14
mhzcool!07:14
mhzI dont know07:14
mhzI have never played anything besides pon, tetris and xgalaga and nvaders07:15
mhz(ncurses)07:15
Yagisanmhz: you should try my game :)07:15
mhzsure, screenshots?07:15
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=== mhz want to use the Cyber as a classroom
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mhzesp. on those lazy hours07:16
Yagisanmhz: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/ss/07:16
mhzYagisan: i promise, if they buy the idea, you'll be the one in charge of security07:16
Yagisanmhz: as in $$ ??07:17
mhzthe only prob. is that we'llbe talking chilean fees :(07:17
mhzyup07:17
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mhzthey said "show us a proposal"07:18
mhztey liked Edubuntu idea very much, esp. when they noticed that there is no Cyber for edu purposes07:18
Yagisanmhz: here we go http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Native_Games07:18
mhzhehe, that ws my sales argument07:18
Yagisanogra: so, opengl on the clients for edgy ;)07:19
mhzYagisan: one last thing before i go to lunch07:20
Yagisanmhz: shoot07:20
mhzplease refresh my memory.. why "your game"?07:20
Yagisanmhz: I am one of the upstream developers07:20
mhzooooh07:21
Yagisanmhz: I basically make sure it doesn't break on linux07:21
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mhznice07:21
Yagisanmhz: and I tend to do janitorial fixes, and design stuff07:21
mhzfor free as well? ;)07:22
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Yagisanmhz_Lunch: : yes (some conditions). free data too, but it doesn't yet work correctly with it, 07:22
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cbx33Goooooooooooooooooooooooooood evenin all07:38
cbx33mhz_Lunch, wlecome to the Schools advocacy team07:39
cbx33thanks JaneW for authorising07:39
cbx33!seen highvoltage07:39
ubotuhighvoltage <n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 20h 56m 2s ago, saying: 'btw- does anyone know what OWA stands for in Ubuntu?'.07:39
cbx33anyone elase have access to the edubuntu server?07:40
YagisanG'day cbx3307:40
LaserJockcbx33: hehe, did you have some caffeine tonight?07:40
=== cbx33 no touch caffine :p
cbx33well unless it's in Cok07:40
cbx33Coke07:40
Yagisancbx33: where is it. I'll see if I can get access ;)07:40
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cbx33Yagisan :p07:40
Yagisancbx33: yes, coke has about the same level of caffeine as a strong coffee07:40
cbx33Yagisan, so how good are you at that, I practice a little of the black arts myself at times :p07:41
cbx33highvoltage was supposed to zip up the edubuntu theme so I could work on it and fix it, but un fortunately he hasn;t been on07:41
Yagisancbx33: relatively good, but my best work is from a social engineering standpoint. the humans are far easier to work on. I also don't call it black arts when describing it to potential customers.07:42
cbx33Yagisan, of course07:43
cbx33coersive measures ?07:43
Yagisancbx33: often no. If you look like you know what you are doing, no one stops you07:44
cbx33I know07:44
cbx33have read a few books on it07:44
Yagisancbx33: experience is much more fun07:44
cbx33i'd bet07:44
Yagisancbx33: when I get asked to explain my business, it often starts like this "Ever see the movie sneakers ?"07:45
cbx33heheh07:45
cbx33Yagisan, I'd love to do that kind of thing for a job07:45
cbx33just not that good at it yet :p07:45
Yagisancbx33: it is a really really hard sell07:46
cbx33oh yeh07:46
Yagisancbx33: but the work itself is fun07:46
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=== Yagisan would like the cash to do up a van a-la-sneakers
cbx33hehehh07:47
Yagisancbx33: I live next to a bank07:47
cbx33hahaha07:47
cbx33:p07:47
Yagisancbx33: you would not believe what I hear in the car park07:48
cbx33really?07:48
Yagisancbx33: really.07:48
cbx33oh do tell :p07:48
cbx33not specifics of course07:48
cbx33"todays security code is"07:49
cbx33read the art of deception ?07:49
Yagisancbx33: I've never been inside it (no my bank), but eg I know which cameras are real, and which are not07:49
Yagisancbx33: mitnick's book - no07:49
cbx33it's a good read,07:49
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cbx33but then you'd probably have read much like it anyway07:49
=== cbx33 really enjoed "The art of Exploitation"
cbx33by Erickson07:50
pawsilverhi there07:50
cbx33hi pawsilver 07:50
Yagisancbx33: I do have a thick section of those books. actually, never did see mitnicks book in a book shop here07:50
pawsilverCan some one help me?07:50
cbx33pawsilver, we can try07:50
cbx33shoot07:50
cbx33Yagisan, shell code fastinates me07:51
Yagisancbx33: makes it work learning assembler07:51
Yagisans/work/worth07:51
cbx33indeed07:52
pawsilverI am getting this error "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)07:52
pawsilver     E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?"07:52
cbx33pawsilver, you should run that commane as sudo07:52
cbx33so do07:52
cbx33sudo ........07:52
cbx33pawsilver, am I right in thinking you are trying to install something?07:53
Yagisancbx33: I will be mailing out a svn build of doomsday tonight07:53
Yagisancbx33: crap, it's 4am07:53
cbx33ooooh07:53
cbx33Yagisan, crikey man, get some rest07:53
cbx33I could chat to you all evening07:53
cbx33:p07:53
Yagisancbx33: let me amend that, I will be emailing out a svn build this morning07:53
pawsilveryes07:53
pawsilverI'm trying to reset my synaptic pakage manager07:54
cbx33reset?07:55
cbx33Yagisan, so I'm guessing you don;t hve legitimate access to the edubuntu server :p07:55
pawsilverI'm getting this error on start up "E: Malformed line 38 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)07:55
pawsilverE: The list of sources could not be read.07:55
pawsilverGo to the repository dialog to correct the problem."07:55
cbx33what is line 38 in sources.lise?07:56
pawsilverstartup of synaptic package manager that is07:56
pawsilverDon't know where to look07:56
cbx33can you paste the contents o /etc/apt/sources.list07:56
cbx33to a pastebin07:56
pawsilverpastebin?07:58
cbx33http://pastebin.ca/07:58
cbx33just paste into there07:59
pawsilverI can find /etc/apt/sources.list07:59
pawsilverok07:59
cbx33then send me the link to that page07:59
pawsilverhttp://pastebin.ca/5713708:00
pawsilverdone it !08:00
cbx33ok08:00
cbx33try commenting out line 3808:00
pawsilverwhich is line 38?08:01
cbx33look at pastebin08:01
cbx33it has line numbers08:01
cbx33(it's the bottom one)08:01
pawsilverok the last one08:01
cbx33Burgundavia, you alive man?08:01
cbx33or are you working?08:01
pawsilveroops thats the one i tried to add and then i had all the problems08:02
Burgundaviacbx33, alive and feeling sick08:02
pawsilverdo i add one # or two to comment it out?08:02
cbx33pawsilver, just one08:03
pawsilverthanx08:03
cbx33Burgundavia, oh dear08:03
BurgundaviaI will dig into esa right now08:03
pawsilvercbx33, It won't allow me to change the file08:04
cbx33permission denied?08:04
pawsilveryes08:04
cbx33you have to be root08:04
cbx33so from the command line type08:05
pawsilverhow do i do that?08:05
cbx33gedit /etc/apt/sources.list08:05
cbx33sorry08:05
cbx33add sudo to the front of that08:05
cbx33sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list08:05
pawsilverok done! thanx08:06
pawsilveri will test it now08:06
cbx33ok08:06
Yagisancbx33: no, I don't have access to the edubuntu server. I can't even upload software, I need to harass others to do it for me08:07
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cbx33Yagisan, know anyone who does have access?08:12
Yagisancbx33: well, I don't actually know which particular server you are after, but the fountain of knowledge around here is usually ogra JaneW and highvoltage. 08:16
Yagisancbx33: I'm just here as window dressing08:17
cbx33hehe08:21
cbx33ogra, JaneW, highvoltage WHERE ARE YOOOUUU !08:21
Burgundaviacbx33, ogra and JaneW are on vacation today08:22
cbx33I know Burgundavia 08:22
cbx33i was just thinking wishfully08:22
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saugilsris there a special place for edubuntu specs? or do they all get placed in the same Ubuntu launchpad area?08:27
LaserJockthey are in the Ubuntu LP08:28
saugilsrLaserJock: thanks.08:29
Yagisancbx33: so, think you'll have time to test doomsday this weekend ?08:30
Burgundaviacbx33, edubutu difference section has been finished08:30
Burgundaviacommitted08:30
Burgundaviacbx33, are you working on the doc at all?08:34
mhz_Lunchre08:36
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Burgundaviasalut Amaranth 08:41
Amaranthhey08:41
Burgundaviaheard anything from willow boy?08:42
Amaranthnope08:44
Burgundaviahmm08:44
Burgundaviacbx33, ESA is all yours08:44
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mhzcbx33: oh, thx for the welcome08:47
mhzI am glad to have some window time to contribute to Edubuntu08:47
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=== mhz remembers ogra did not know stress :D
=== mhz remembers Henrik Omma was trying to do some stuff in MoinMoin and he used to ask me... now he's a master :D
mhzLaser_away: ping08:49
mhzcbx33: ping08:54
cbx33Burgundavia, thanks08:57
cbx33could you do me a favour and show my how to put images in?08:57
cbx33mhz, hi08:57
cbx33bb in baout 10-15 mins08:57
mhzcbx33: images in Moin?08:58
=== mhz has already convinced 2 people to translate ESA into spansih
=== mhz just waits for the GO
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Burgworkmhz, images in docbook09:19
Burgworkcbx33, take a look at the other ones for how09:19
mhzoh, okis09:25
BurgworkLaser_away, hmm, away, eh. can you take a peak at the difference section in ESA now?09:35
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cbx33thanx mhz just read the translation stuff about ESA10:01
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mhzcbx33: so, is that a GO ?10:06
cbx33mhz, no10:06
cbx33not yet10:06
mhzoh10:06
mhzhehehe10:06
cbx33:p10:06
cbx33just mneed to do final10:07
cbx33checking10:07
mhzokis10:07
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lucasvohi10:09
cbx33hi lucasvo 10:09
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Burgworkcbx33, are we going to send it for translation this weekend?10:17
=== lucasvo wants this http://www.alcatel.com/enterprise/en/products/phones/ip_phones/8_series/4068/features.html
lucasvo:)10:18
lucasvocbx33: can you give me infos about the proxy your school uses?10:20
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YagisanI need to feed my kids and grab some sleep. I'll be back in about 8 hours or so10:44
Yagisanmessage me if you need me10:44
cbx33Burgwork, I'd like to10:47
cbx33I'm able to work on it some tomorrow, like for images and such10:47
cbx33hopefully a little tonight10:47
Burgworkcbx33, ok. The only thing I see needing work is to change the various ktouch, etc. to what they do10:47
cbx33just been called in to move the lounge around :p10:47
cbx33yes10:47
cbx33i can do that tomorrow10:48
cbx33UTC wise what tie will you be around till tomorrow morning10:48
cbx33lucasvo, they filter through something called websense10:48
BurgworkI am UTC-7, so likely not until 17:00 UTC at earliest10:48
cbx33right, that shuild be ok, gives me time to work in the morning my time10:49
cbx33how much longer you gonna be around now?10:49
cbx33in hours?10:49
Burgwork4, maybe 610:49
cbx33ok i may be back i na while10:50
cbx33bout 20-30 mins10:50
cbx33we can hopefully have a chat then10:50
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mhzcbx33: re10:52
mhzcbx33: you work at a school?10:52
cbx33yes11:01
cbx33I do11:01
mhzand you have an edubuntu lab?11:02
cbx33yes11:03
cbx33Burgwork, you there?11:04
mhzany page with details?11:04
cbx33not as yet, we're still in the setting up phase11:04
cbx33trying to get active directory integration going11:05
Burgworkcbx33, yep11:05
cbx33wht's the svn repo again11:05
cbx33I want to download onto this computer11:05
cbx33i need the address11:07
Burgworkhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository11:08
cbx33thanx11:08
cbx33Burgwork, I have a few changes I'd like you to take a look at11:15
cbx33shall I diff and mail to you11:15
Burgworkcbx33, sure, but I have no way of applying it here at work11:16
cbx33what address?11:17
Burgworkcorey.burger@gmail.com11:17
cbx33sent11:19
cbx33btw Burgwork excellent work on that section11:20
cbx33:D - a big thank you from me11:29
=== mhz wanna see that url now :D
cbx33sure11:29
cbx33https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/edubuntu/SchoolAdvocacy/C/school-advocacy.xml11:30
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LaserJockI'm back11:32
cbx33w00t11:32
cbx33LaserJock, howz you11:32
cbx33I thought you said you were back :p11:36
LaserJocktalking to the wife on the phone real quick ;-)11:37
cbx33heheh11:37
cbx33LaserJock, seen Burgwork's recent changes?11:37
cbx33I just submitted a patch to him but he can't apply it from there11:37
LaserJocknot quite yet, I've been busy all day getting a passport and registering a new vehicle and paying for insurance, etc.11:38
cbx33Paris?11:38
LaserJockcbx33: want me to apply it?11:38
LaserJockthe passport, yes11:38
cbx33well do you wanna have a quick look at what I chagned see if it makes sense11:38
cbx33shall I mail to you?11:38
cbx33mail addy?11:39
LaserJockmantha (at) ubuntu.com11:39
cbx33sent11:39
cbx33see if it makes sense11:39
LaserJockhmm, is it Saturday in Germany yet? ;-)11:40
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cbx33hmm...dunno11:41
cbx33you thinking if pgra is working again yet :p11:41
LaserJockyep11:41
LaserJockI was thinking about a spec he wanted and I wanted to talk to him about it more, but it can really wait until after June 1 :-)11:42
LaserJockI'm just getting antsy11:42
cbx33oooh11:42
cbx33what's it for?11:42
LaserJockdynamic menus11:42
cbx33nice11:42
LaserJockbasically, the Applications menu changes depending on what meta-packages are installed and what group the user is in, or something like that11:43
cbx33yeh11:43
cbx33sound like a cool idea11:43
cbx33like custom menus for users11:43
cbx33or user groups?11:44
LaserJocknot sure11:44
cbx33heh11:44
LaserJockI sort of understand the "menus depend on meta-packages" part, but I'm not sure exactly what he wants as far as the user dependency11:44
cbx33ah right11:45
LaserJockI'm not sure if it is supposed to be a per user thing or per group thing11:45
cbx33right I'm gonna crash out11:45
cbx33my head is pounding again11:45
cbx33block nose11:45
LaserJockcbx33: ok, I'll look at your diff and apply it11:45
LaserJockcbx33: again?11:45
cbx33only if you think it's an improvement11:45
cbx33yup again11:45
cbx33it's turned into a major cold now11:46
cbx33and I'm feeling really rough11:46
cbx33will finish up on ESA tomorrow11:46
cbx33ready to release for translation11:46
cbx33if you get a chance could you have a chat to Burgwork about his ideas for changing the applications section11:46
cbx33and send me some notes11:46
LaserJockk11:46
BurgworkLaserJock, I can chat now11:46
cbx33I'll work on that omrrow when I get up11:46
LaserJockBurgwork: ok11:47
cbx33Burgwork, I'll sitck around fro a sec then :p11:47
cbx33till my head explodes11:47
Burgworkcbx33, you can go and sleep11:47
BurgworkLaserJock, The only thing I see needing work is to change the various ktouch, etc. to what they do11:47
LaserJockBurgwork: I agree, people want to know what the apps *do*11:48
cbx33i think Burgwork was talking about shortening it right?11:49
LaserJockparagraph per area? with no detailed listing? more narrative?11:49
Burgworkcbx33, the shortening was to the difference section, which is done11:50
cbx33oh right11:50
cbx33you said shorten the apps descripstion to one sentence though didnt you?11:50
LaserJockcbx33: how current is the wiki version of ESA?11:51
BurgworkLaserJock, very old11:51
BurgworkI was thinkinga bout that11:51
LaserJockk11:51
BurgworkI now think we should merge the "Tools" and "Education Apps" section into one11:52
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cbx33for the wiki11:52
cbx33but then Burgwork made more changes :p11:52
Burgworkwe can build the moin out of the docbook at the end, if needed11:52
LaserJockyeah, I just need to do a couple things to be able to render the docbook, just takes a sec11:53
cbx33Burgwork, yes please11:53
cbx33as people are wanting to start translating :p11:54
Burgworkmoin is not needed for translation11:54
Burgworkwe should do translation via rosetta11:54
LaserJockBurgwork: how do we get a template to rosetta?11:54
BurgworkLaserJock, I have just asked mdke to do it11:55
mhzcbx33: hmm,no good for me, I read no xml :)11:55
cbx33oooh excellent11:55
cbx33Burgwork, thank you11:55
Burgworknp11:55
mhzBurgwork: yeah, let's moin it!11:55
cbx33was thining rosetta but didn't know if it was possible11:55
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Burgworkmhz, you need to edit the xslt to figure out to turn xml into mion11:55
cbx33heheh11:56
mhzBurgwork: hmm how about Docbook 2 Openoffice.org and from OpenOffice.org 2 Moin :D 11:56
cbx33noooooooo :p11:56
cbx33rosetta is the way to go11:57
LaserJockI think the docteam has a tool for at least moin -> docbook11:57
BurgworkLaserJock, nope, we don't11:57
Burgworkmhz, ick11:57
Burgworkrosetta gets us established teams11:57
mhzick ?11:57
cbx33Burgwork, would it go up as a package then?11:57
cbx33if so can it be assigned to edubuntu school support team11:58
Burgworkcbx33, it could be shipped as part of edubuntu-doc, but it is pretty late for that11:58
cbx33it's too late for that now11:58
LaserJockBurgwork: what about teamstuff/article2moin ?11:58
cbx33next release11:58
Burgworkhmm11:58
Burgworkanyway, we should stop bikeshedding and get on with the actual doc11:58
Burgworkit is in docbook now11:58
LaserJockyeah, yeah11:58
BurgworkLaserJock, cbx33 we need a license for the doc12:02
Burgworkgfdl and ccbysa2.5 are not ideal if we ever want to print this12:02
cbx33yes12:03
LaserJockhmm, how so?12:03
LaserJockthe docs on lulu are12:03
Burgworkgfdl requires you attach the license itself, which adds pages12:03
cbx33I'm not too hot on license12:03
Burgworkgiven the doc is only two or maybe three pages...12:03
cbx33Burgwork, wht about a link to the license?12:03

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