[12:12] <blue-frog> hi guys anyone to help me restrict a user to log on following a time range pls?
[12:12] <blue-frog> guys/gals..
[12:13] <blue-frog> i have weird things happening when i do so
[12:16] <HedgeMage> I've never tried it, but let me poke around and see what I find
[12:17] <blue-frog> i explain quickly
[12:17] <blue-frog> user time restriction works ok
[12:17] <blue-frog> but
[12:17] <blue-frog> as soon as i add account required pam_time.so in /etc/pam.d/common-account
[12:17] <Burgwork> blue-frog, you want users to only be able to login for a certain amount of time?
[12:18] <blue-frog> the gksudo doesn't work for my admin account
[12:18] <blue-frog> burgwork i want them to be able to log on between 15:00 and 17:00
[12:19] <blue-frog> but if they logon at 16:45 i want them to be disconnected at 17:00
[12:19] <blue-frog> so far pam_time.so does the trick for the first part
[12:19] <blue-frog> but if they log on at 16:45 then they can use the puter forever..
[12:20] <blue-frog> tried timeoutd but i must be using a wrong syntax
[12:20] <blue-frog> for /etc/timeouts i wrote..
[12:21] <blue-frog> Al1900-2000:*:joe:*:LOGIN
[12:22] <blue-frog> but when joe logs on at 17:00 he is not disconnected after one minute as timeoutd is supposed to do
[12:22] <blue-frog> and timeoutd is running of course
[12:32] <blue-frog> any idea?
[12:32] <HedgeMage> hmmm
[12:33] <HedgeMage> I think you may know more about this particular topic than me... sorry
[12:33] <HedgeMage> ogra is a good person to ask that kind of thing, when he's around
[12:33] <blue-frog> :0 ok ty
[12:35] <HedgeMage> np
[02:28] <jsgotangco> good morning
[02:29] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[02:31] <jsgotangco> hmm new kernel
[07:24] <cbx33> hey all
[07:24] <cbx33> Burgundavia, 
[07:24] <Burgundavia> salut cbx33 
[07:25] <cbx33> howz it going?
[07:25] <cbx33> I'm just gonna grab my breakfast
[07:25] <Burgundavia> I have done the reorg, but haven't done the final piece of writing
[07:25] <cbx33> then I'll be heading off
[07:25] <cbx33> ok
[07:25] <cbx33> what ws the final piece?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> should have something within the hour
[07:25] <cbx33> ok np
[07:26] <cbx33> well I'll be leaving in about 35 minutes ;)
[07:27] <cbx33> I'll try to start orgaising screen shots
[07:27] <Burgundavia> excellent
[07:27] <cbx33> I think we have all normal apps, but I'll have to get all the edu apps because I don;t think HedgeMage included those in her tarball
[07:28] <cbx33> right I'm going to eat now
[07:29] <Burgundavia> we might have some in the repo already
[08:54] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, you around still?
[08:56] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: not really
[08:56] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: is it quick?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, I wanted to ask you opinion on the ESA
[08:57] <Burgundavia> I have a half finished edit, shoudl I commit it?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> it validates, it just looks ugly
[08:59] <LaserJock> yeah, I can work on it in the morning if you want
[08:59] <Burgundavia> ok, will do
[09:00] <Burgundavia> I will add a comment about what I was thinking
[09:02] <Burgundavia> Laser_away, committed
[09:27] <cbx33> mornin all, just poking my head in
[09:29] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[09:29] <cbx33> you'd better not reply, you're supposed to be sleeping
[09:29] <cbx33> :)
[10:22] <ajayc> MODERATORS
[10:22] <ajayc> where r u?
[10:22] <ajayc> anyone?
[10:23] <ajayc> EDUBUNTU GOT SHIPT PUT IT IN THE TOPIC
[10:27] <ajayc> blue-frog: hi
[10:27] <blue-frog> hi
[10:27] <ajayc> arent moderatore here?
[10:27] <ajayc> there is shipit for edubuntu
[10:33] <ajayc> !help
[10:34] <ajayc> !topic add shipit.edubuntu.org
[10:35] <ajayc> !topic add SHIPIT !!! AVAILABLE FOR EDUBUNTU ENJOY!!!
[10:35] <ajayc> !TOPIC REMOVE -1
[10:36] <ajayc> !TOPIC RESTORE
[10:36] <ajayc> !TOPIC RESTORE 3
[10:37] <ajayc> !TOPIC add Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu,
[10:37] <ajayc>           download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List
[10:37] <ajayc>           http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org |
[10:37] <ajayc>           Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read before
[10:37] <ajayc>           installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out
[10:41] <ajay> !topic add Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org |
[10:41] <ajay>           Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read before
[10:41] <ajay>           installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out
[10:41] <ajay>           http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/ || shipit.edubuntu.org 
[10:42] <blue-frog> I installed timeoutd on my breezy, I have a script tiemoutd in /etc/init.d. what command must I use to run timeoutd at boot time, pls? (update-rc?)
[10:42] <ajay> damn i messed the topic
[10:42] <ajay> any idea how to restore?
[10:43] <ajay> !topic add Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org |Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read beforeinstalling: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Dapper beta is out
[10:43] <ajay> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/ || shipit.edubuntu.org 
[10:43] <ajay> ahh now its fine
[11:51] <ajayc> hi guys
[11:51] <ajayc> anyone there?
[11:53] <cbx33> hi
[12:20] <lucasvo> hi
[12:20] <lucasvo> cbx33: what do you think:  http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/Journal.png or http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/UbuntuJournal.png
[12:20] <lucasvo> ?
[12:22] <cbx33> hi
[12:22] <cbx33> just gotta...hang on
[12:23] <cbx33> i can't get there at the mo
[12:23] <lucasvo> proxy?
[12:23] <cbx33> could you possibly attach it to a wiki opage?
[12:23] <cbx33> indeed
[12:23] <cbx33> it's beingfiltered
[12:24] <lucasvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuJournal?action=AttachFile
[12:27] <lucasvo> cbx33: which one do you prefer?
[12:29] <cbx33>  think ubuntutype.png
[12:29] <cbx33> as i fits with tubuntu marketting
[12:30] <lucasvo> hm,
[12:31] <lucasvo> should it fit the ubuntu marketing?
[12:32] <cbx33> i think everyone would be much more keen if it did
[12:32] <lucasvo> we don't do marketing, that's why I don't think it is a good idea
[12:32] <cbx33> as I think Burgwork mentinoed yesterday, ubuntus marketting has worked really well for them
[12:32] <cbx33> but it's instant ly recognisable as being ubuntu
[12:32] <cbx33> the ubuntu identity is really really strong
[12:33] <lucasvo> I think the emblem is strong enough
[12:35] <lucasvo> I tried out to do something with scribus
[12:35] <lucasvo> it was a disaster
[12:35] <lucasvo> :)
[12:35] <cbx33> at the end of the day, it is your project and ultimately your decision, but may find people are more willing to help if you are willing to stick to conventions - just my 2cents :p
[12:36] <lucasvo> :)
[12:36] <cbx33> scribus is cool,
[12:36] <cbx33> but needs some learning
[12:36] <lucasvo> Maybe I can ask www.elevendesign.ch to do the design
[12:36] <lucasvo> cbx33: well, I wasn't able to write ANY text
[12:36] <cbx33> filtered
[12:36] <cbx33> lucasvo: oh?
[12:37] <lucasvo> I could add pictures and textboxes without problem
[12:37] <cbx33> i used it for the ESA mock pages
[12:37] <cbx33> right click a text box and goto edit text
[12:37] <cbx33> try that
[12:37] <lucasvo> no
[12:37] <lucasvo> opening the story editor or clicking on the white "A" did work
[12:37] <cbx33> did or didn't
[12:38] <lucasvo> but then, it didn't reacto to my keyboard intput
[12:38] <cbx33> hich version
[12:38] <lucasvo> I could add text files in the story editor
[12:38] <lucasvo> Scribus Version 1.2.4.1
[12:39] <cbx33> ah
[12:39] <lucasvo> ?
[12:39] <cbx33> i was using 1.3
[12:39] <cbx33> it's more advanced
[12:40] <cbx33> brb
[12:40] <lucasvo> cbx33: but it isn't in dapper
[12:42] <lucasvo> is there a package
[12:42] <lucasvo> ?
[12:42] <cbx33> no
[12:43] <cbx33> i compiled from source :p
[12:50] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/scribus/+bug/45565
[12:50] <lucasvo> where is the bug channel?
[12:50] <lucasvo>  #ubuntu-bugs?
[12:51] <BugMaN> yes
[12:56] <thundershirt> hi
[12:56] <thundershirt> anyone there?
[12:59] <pschulz01> thundershirt: hi there..
[12:59] <thundershirt> hi pschulz01 
[12:59] <thundershirt> arent there any ops here?
[01:00] <thundershirt> cos man i had to change the topic
[01:00] <thundershirt> to tell shipit is available for edubuntu
[01:06] <cbx33> !seen bluekuja
[01:06] <ubotu> bluekuja <n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 1d 13h 18m 46s ago, saying: 'cya #edubuntu'.
[01:08] <lucasvo> cbx33: can you give me some info about your proxy
[01:08] <lucasvo> I want my hosting provider to look that they unblock it
[01:12] <cbx33> well, it's being blocked as a "personal website"
[01:12] <cbx33> it's nothing to do with your hosting company
[01:12] <lucasvo> why?
[01:12] <thundershirt> ahh someone
[01:12] <thundershirt> no op here?
[01:12] <cbx33> no
[01:13] <thundershirt> had to change topic myself
[01:13] <thundershirt> to tell bout shipit
[01:13] <cbx33> hoping to be at some point :p
[01:13] <lucasvo> thundershirt: wait till ogra is around 
[01:13] <lucasvo> he'll fix it
[01:13] <thundershirt> i put there in the topic
[01:13] <cbx33> ogra should be sleeping
[01:13] <thundershirt> shipit.edubuntu.org
[01:13] <lucasvo> thundershirt: I already ordered cd's there
[01:14] <thundershirt> me too
[01:14] <lucasvo> cbx33: the edubuntu fonts are crap
[01:15] <lucasvo> 45565
[01:17] <lucasvo> cbx33: why is it a personal site?
[01:18] <lucasvo> what are you allowed to see?
[01:18] <cbx33> presumably because of the .ch
[01:18] <lucasvo> ???
[01:18] <lucasvo> why that?
[01:18] <lucasvo> vincisolutions.org works?
[01:18] <lucasvo> cbx33: that is discrimination!
[01:19] <cbx33> lucasvo: tell me about it
[01:19] <lucasvo> all CH domains get blocked
[01:19] <cbx33> vincisolutions.org is blocked too
[01:19] <cbx33> give me another .ch domain
[01:19] <lucasvo> www.switch.ch
[01:20] <lucasvo> that probably works
[01:20] <lucasvo> http://www.nescafair.ch.vu/
[01:20] <lucasvo> www.eggdrop.ch
[01:21] <cbx33> http://www.nescafair.ch.vu/ works
[01:21] <lucasvo> cbx33: which one DO work?
[01:22] <lucasvo> http://www.scherr.ch.vu/ works?
[01:22] <cbx33> eggdrop works
[01:22] <cbx33> sorry doesnt
[01:23] <lucasvo> (same IP)
[01:23] <lucasvo> www.weyland.ch
[01:23] <lucasvo> ?
[01:24] <cbx33> last one is apparently DNS error
[01:24] <lucasvo> huh
[01:24] <lucasvo> yes
[01:24] <lucasvo> http://blog.weyland.ch/
[01:24] <lucasvo> cbx33: and what about switch.ch?
[01:25] <cbx33> that works
[01:25] <lucasvo> switch or blog.weyland.ch?
[02:15] <cbx33> grr
[02:31] <blue-frog> am at a loss to achieve the following. joe can only log in and use gdm from 3pm ot 5pm. if he logs in at 4.45pm he must be disconnected at 5pm. fiddled with pam_time and timeoutd but can't achieve what I want, hints/help most welcomed
[02:34] <saugilsr> blue-frog: did u see this link? http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Linux/Linux_Administration/Q_20974796.html
[02:34] <saugilsr> might be usefull
[02:34] <blue-frog> looking at it right away ty
[02:34] <saugilsr> blue-frog: has a script at the bottom to use in a cron job..
[02:40] <blue-frog> hum as it is said in the comment, the solution is kind of disgracefull :(
[02:49] <saugilsr> blue-frog: yeah  its not the best.. thought it might lead to another idea.. 
[02:50] <blue-frog> yep seems to me though no programs have been implemented to act like this so I may be forced to write a funky script
[02:51] <blue-frog> I have difficulty though to believe that am the first one to encounter such a problem
[02:51] <blue-frog> and that pam_time only checks at login time and no more afterwards
[02:56] <blue-frog> also a weird behavior with pam_time, as soon as I put account required pam_time.so in common-account, gksudo keeps telling me password is wrong while sudo in console still works fine
[02:57] <saugilsr> that is strange
[02:57] <cbx33> blue-frog: very strange :p
[02:57] <blue-frog> and in the auth log it tells me about pam_time can't get the tty name
[02:57] <cbx33> but then i have had problems with pam and other stuff too
[02:58] <blue-frog> and sudo authentication failure  while I was calling gksudo
[03:30] <lucasvo> lol
[03:31] <lucasvo> cbx33: for that spec I got about 10000 karma :)
[03:52] <jryer> Urgente/ayuda - Where can I download language support for spanish? Donde se descarga soporte de idiomas para espaniol?
[03:57] <jryer> Where can I download language support for spanish? Donde se descarga soporte de idiomas para espaniol? I need to install edubuntu spanish in a lab without internet from a CD.
[03:58] <blue-frog> have you installed spanish language on your laptop?
[03:58] <blue-frog> or your desktop
[04:04] <jryer> Where can I download language support for spanish? Donde se descarga soporte de idiomas para espaniol? I need to install edubuntu spanish in a lab without internet -- from a CD
[04:04] <blue-frog> have you installed spanish language on your laptop?
[04:04] <blue-frog> or your desktop
[04:09] <jryer> Yes
[04:10] <blue-frog> then you could copy /var/cache/apt/archives on a dvd and use it in the lab
[04:13] <jryer> That easy? Is it that big that it needs to be a DVD?
[04:14] <blue-frog> archives is big in the end.. now you could trace aonly the packages needed for the internationalisation and only copy them
[04:15] <blue-frog> or put yourlaptop (if any) in the lab network so you don't need to copy but only share /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:16] <blue-frog> then use dkpg -i package name
[04:16] <blue-frog> then use dkpg -i package_name
[04:16] <blue-frog> then use dpkg -i package_name got it right this time
[04:18] <jryer> How do I share /var/cache/apt/archives?
[04:19] <blue-frog> adminstration/shared folders
[05:06] <ajayc> ogra, hi
[05:09] <jsgotangco> yo!11
[05:10] <ajayc> yo
[05:37] <mhz> moin you all
[05:37] <lucasvo> hi mhz 
[05:37] <ajayc> morning
[05:37] <mhz> hi lucasvo 
[05:37] <ajayc> man i never get reply
[05:37] <mhz> could you solve your issue with dhcp?
[05:37] <lucasvo> ajayc: what for?
[05:37] <ajayc> lucasvo, ?????
[05:37] <lucasvo> which question?
[05:37] <ajayc> no question
[05:37] <ajayc> :P
[05:38] <lucasvo> aha
[05:38] <lucasvo> ajayc: how much karma do you have? :{
[05:38] <lucasvo> :P
[05:38] <ajayc> dunno
[05:38] <ajayc> :)
[05:38] <lucasvo> but that's not very much
[05:38] <ajayc> LOL
[05:39] <lucasvo> ajayc: don't you know LP karma?
[05:41] <lucasvo> mhz: what's up?
[05:41] <lucasvo> mhz: are you willing to write an article?
[05:41] <mhz> again?
[05:41] <lucasvo> again???
[05:41] <lucasvo> about what
[05:41] <mhz> oh, but in spanish
[05:42] <mhz> about Edubuntu and the other about How FLOSS is key for sustainable development
[05:42] <mhz> lucasvo: oh, sure!
[05:45] <mhz> lucasvo: shipit is taking orders for ubuntu cd's
[05:45] <mhz> any ideas for edubuntu?
[05:48] <ajayc> how do u get chanserv to ur channel?
[05:49] <jsgotangco> mhz: we will probably have that too with a limited print run
[05:49] <jsgotangco> but only for x86
[05:49] <mhz> jsgotangco: thx, mon
[05:50] <mhz> jsgotangco: but not just yet?
[05:50] <jsgotangco> mhz: i have no details atm
[05:51] <LaserJock> JaneW: ping?
[05:51] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: we can wish
[05:52] <LaserJock> she must be very busy :-)
[05:53] <JaneW> LaserJock: I am here kind of
[05:53] <mhz> hmmm, bad girl
[05:53] <JaneW> although mdz chided me as we are meant to have the day off :)
[05:55] <mhz> jsgotangco: come on! you dont want that ;)
[05:55] <jsgotangco> what i dont want day off?
[05:56] <mhz> jsgotangco: get rid of alchool
[05:56] <jsgotangco> no way dude it stays int he blood but not in my brain
[05:57] <michel> help: we try to install a digital machine digital pc 3000 as client of edubuntu ltsp the graphic is not coming, any idea?
[05:57] <jsgotangco> i had like 5 shots of tequila and im almost done
[05:57] <JaneW> jsgotangco: bad boy
[05:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: hmmm, the only alchool I like to drink is a brazilian one: Caipirina or some spelling like that
[05:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW: hush, im inspired at the moment to write a release announcement
[05:58] <michel> help: we try to install a digital machine digital pc 3000 as client of edubuntu ltsp the graphic is not coming, any idea?
[05:58] <mhz> jsgotangco: lol
[05:58] <JaneW> jsgotangco: DOIT
[05:58] <JaneW> jsgotangco: but let me proof read it!
[05:58] <mhz> "Efrubuntu is.. a b erry cool distro aimedz forz zchools.."
[05:59] <jsgotangco> mhz: i will probably smuggle dope wars into edubuntu soon
[05:59] <jsgotangco> and a cokctail app
[05:59] <mhz> hehehe
[05:59] <jsgotangco> bamenda: digital machine is a brand/??
[06:00] <mhz> JaneW: any ideas when edubuntu cd's can be ordered? Any ideas on the design of cd labels?
[06:00] <bamenda> ???
[06:01] <bamenda> we are in cameroon and we install ltsp please help us
[06:01] <mhz> ?
[06:05] <LaserJock> darn it, I do that all the time in Firefox when I just want to close a tab and I end up closing the whole thing
[06:05] <jsgotangco> use epiphany :)
[06:05] <crimsun> that's why I use links!
[06:06] <crimsun> (sometimes I think the only reason I use gnome is to have dozens of terminal emulators open)
[06:06] <jsgotangco> skype just worked with gdebi in edubuntu and didnt ask for deps
[06:06] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:07] <LaserJock> gdebi is supposed to do dep resolution?
[06:07] <crimsun> it does. Quite wonderfully, I might add.
[06:07] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:07] <jsgotangco> at least skype isnt an issue now for users in dapper
[06:07] <jsgotangco> unlike before which made people do awful hacks
[06:09] <LaserJock> cool, I'll have to try gdebi out some time, I don't often use .debs outside the repos
[06:09] <crimsun> if you click on a random deb, it uses gdebi automatically.
[06:09] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:10] <jsgotangco> it doest even need a manual
[06:11] <JaneW> mhz: shipit.edubuntu.com
[06:11] <LaserJock> well, usually I just use wget and dpkg -i
[06:11] <LaserJock> but gdebi sounds nice if I'm in a GUI mood
[06:11] <crimsun> LaserJock is hardcore like that. :-)
[06:12] <mhz> JaneW: and could we have some kind of additional info to fill in?
[06:13] <mhz> such as Organization name, intended use in Labs?
[06:13] <mhz> etc
[06:18] <jsgotangco> JaneW: is Claire Newman new???
[06:18] <LaserJock> crimsun: not so much hardcore, but I'm never on my Ubuntu box so I'm always ssh'ing in
[06:24] <Yagisan> umm, crimsun, how does gdebi work with 3rd party repos ?
[06:25] <jsgotangco> it still relies on your sources.list
[06:25] <LaserJock> how cool
[06:25] <Yagisan> ok. so it doesn't help for me then
[06:26] <jsgotangco> just think of it as a setup.exe that looks elsewhere for other required apps
[06:26] <jsgotangco> if needed
[06:26] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: in my case, it would need to look in the 3rd party repos to find the unmet deps
[06:26] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:27] <mhz> Yagisan: hi mon!!!
[06:27] <mhz> Yagisan: iirc, you got lots of experience on playing games in Linux?
[06:27] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: but if it already needs those repos added to the sources.list, then I'll just leave the instructions to use synaptic or aptitude up.
[06:27] <Yagisan> mhz: some, what's up ?
[06:28] <cameroon1> hello chanceline
[06:28] <mhz> I was contacted by a friend who lives out of a cybercaffee
[06:28] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: in your case that is true, but for some small apps that publish their own debs but rely on standard deps in the archives, its easy for some users
[06:28] <jsgotangco> skype for instance
[06:28] <mhz> and saw Edubuntu in action, Yagisan and he loved it
[06:28] <mhz> so,
[06:29] <mhz> I said "let's use Edubuntu for both Edu purposes and Cyber purposes"
[06:29] <jsgotangco> Cyber
[06:29] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:29] <mhz> it was all cool until
[06:29] <jsgotangco> does he mean sexual in nature?
[06:29] <mhz> he mentioned that at nights, all kids wanted to play on line games
[06:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: you had too many tequilas hehehe
[06:30] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:30] <cameroon1> any eperience with edubuntu and cybecafe?
[06:30] <mhz> jsgotangco: and I wish you are not using edubuntu gilrl background
[06:30] <jsgotangco> mhz: no i now have an edubuntu chinese girl in front of me
[06:30] <cameroon1> which programm direqcafe?
[06:30] <Yagisan> mhz: I have some not so good news for you
[06:30] <mhz> else you may be considering she's a japaneese school girl
[06:30] <mhz> hehehe
[06:30] <mhz> ??
[06:31] <mhz> Yagisan: ?
[06:31] <Yagisan> mhz: the thin clients have *no* accelerated opengl
[06:31] <mhz> oooohhhhhhh
[06:31] <cameroon1> not funny 
[06:31] <jsgotangco> i need to sober up
[06:31] <mhz> that's why TuxMath sucked via LTSP
[06:31] <jsgotangco> mhz: it does?
[06:31] <jsgotangco> tuxmath need opengl?
[06:31] <mhz> jsgotangco: yup
[06:31] <mhz> dont know if need it
[06:31] <jsgotangco> mhz: a math game needs opengl?
[06:32] <mhz> BUt sucked
[06:32] <Yagisan> mhz: and that basically stops gaming :( I get 1fps on doomsday on a client, and almost 200fps on same spec but disked box
[06:32] <jsgotangco> yeah i would have believed you if it was Quake Math
[06:32] <mhz> I used a 2.x GHz AMD processor and 1 GHz of RAM
[06:32] <mhz> and 4 thin clients
[06:32] <mhz> over 10/100 network
[06:32] <mhz> i played TxMath in one... it scuked
[06:33] <mhz> sucked
[06:33] <mhz> Yagisan: ohh
[06:34] <jsgotangco> i goota sleep
[06:34] <jsgotangco> ciao
[06:34] <LaserJock> mhz: yeah, ogra told me yesterday that opengl wouldn't relly work over ltsp
[06:34] <Yagisan> mhz: I, uh, discovered this issue about 6 or so months ago
[06:34] <mhz> Yagisan: so, solution would be: "install ubuntu boxes for gaming" and use Edubuntu on day time?
[06:34] <LaserJock> mhz: I want to put some molecule rendering apps in but that wouldn't work so well unless the app was installed locally
[06:34] <mhz> Yagisan: iiirc I believed you mentioned that
[06:35] <mhz> hmmm, would local devices work on clients?
[06:35] <mhz> like LiveCd ?
[06:36] <mhz> Yagisan: so, a Cyber could still use Linux for Gaming?
[06:36] <Yagisan> mhz: for now yes, an ubuntu box for gaming. ogra didn't have time in this development periods to help me investigate this, maybe in edgy with local apps and l-r-m we can get opengl working, but that would need a semi-decent thin client
[06:36] <Yagisan> mhz: yes, you can. depends on the games though
[06:37] <mhz> Yagisan: afaik, Dapper is "stable" sales point, while Edgy is "eye candy" sales point
[06:37] <mhz> or not?
[06:37] <Yagisan> mhz: you really need either nvidia or a gpl'ed dri driver. ati binary isn't good for gaming
[06:38] <mhz> Yagisan: sure, Nvidia or GPL'ed dri driver
[06:38] <Yagisan> mhz: possibly. myself, I prefer stable in all releases
[06:38] <mhz> Yagisan: so clustomers may decide to reboot into ubuntu for gaming, or just PXE booting for normal use
[06:38] <michel> help: we try to install a digital machine digital pc 3000 as client of edubuntu ltsp the graphic is not coming, any idea?
[06:39] <mhz> michel: i dont understand "digital machine digital pc 3000"
[06:39] <LaserJock> mhz: the model of computer he is running
[06:40] <mhz> oooh
[06:40] <Yagisan> mhz: yes, that would work well. need to edit the grub menu though. not to hard.
[06:40] <mhz> sure
[06:40] <mhz> piece of cake
[06:40] <mhz> Yagisan: and which games are for sure okidoki for linux?
[06:40] <mhz> Quake?
[06:40] <mhz> Age of Emprires?
[06:41] <Yagisan> mhz: basically install ubuntu, that add pxe as an option and make it default. then hit up rom-o-matic for the images
[06:41] <michel> this is a digital PC the graphic card is S3 on board
[06:41] <Yagisan> mhz: ok. my general rule is, don't bother for the windows only games
[06:42] <Yagisan> mhz: they usually have copy protection crap that causes them to not run well (if at all)
[06:42] <mhz> Yagisan: sure, but I am ignorant on games, you know. My only games in computers is Tetris and Xgalaga + Gcompris :D
[06:42] <Yagisan> michel: no graphics on thin client or server ?
[06:42] <mhz> michel: do thin clients boot up (get dhcp and see them booting?)
[06:43] <michel> yes no graphic 
[06:43] <michel> on the client
[06:43] <michel> yes
[06:43] <michel> it is ok until it should come to login but the light of the monitor turn to no signal
[06:44] <Yagisan> mhz: ok. TTBOMK, at the moment doom 3, quake 4, enemy territory, termulous, nexiuz, america's army, are all popular
[06:44] <Yagisan> michel: your monitor does not support the video mode the client is trying to use
[06:44] <mhz> Yagisan: wow, that should cover most preferences
[06:45] <mhz> i suppose
[06:45] <ogra> michel, did you follow the install notes (see channel topic)
[06:45] <Yagisan> michel: if you have one in front of you, try pressing crtl, alt, and - at the same time
[06:45] <Yagisan> mhz: only a few. my doomsday is also nice, but not so widely played
[06:45] <michel> ok i will try with another monitor thanks
[06:45] <Yagisan> mhz: then there are games like wesnoth
[06:46] <ogra> michel, also which version of edubuntu do you use ? breezy or dapper ?
[06:46] <Yagisan> michel: this can be fixed, but we need to work out what the monitor can handle
[06:46] <Yagisan> michel: because the video card can't tell (perhaps the monitor is old)
[06:46] <ogra> Yagisan, the x autodetection usually detects s3 cards right ...
[06:46] <Yagisan> ogra: yes, but old monitors don't have dcc
[06:47] <ogra> right, then it falls back to 1024x786 by default
[06:47] <Yagisan> ogra: yep, which usually doesn't work on a 15 inch or less
[06:48] <kgoetz> is ogra around at all?
[06:48] <ajayc> how to get chanservto a channel?
[06:48] <kgoetz> i'm wondering which edubuntu theme is default (plain or colours)
[06:48] <ogra> nope, i'm not here (i'd risk my job if i'd be)
[06:48] <kgoetz> ajayc: it joins creation of a new channel
[06:48] <kgoetz> ogra: ok, :)
[06:48] <ogra> kgoetz, colors with the chalkboard wallpaper
[06:48] <ajayc> kgoetz, it didnt i created #vlos
[06:48] <ajayc> come there
[06:49] <michel> ogra: edubuntu 5.10
[06:49] <kgoetz> ogra: thanks. when i first set up edubntu it was still 'custom theme', so i set it to human, i'm trying to find out what eudubuntu looks like :)
[06:49] <michel> breezy
[06:49] <ogra> michel, and you followed the install notes to set it up ?
[06:49] <kgoetz> *edubuntu (x2)
[06:49] <ajayc> HI ogra 
[06:49] <ajayc> man u op here?
[06:50] <ogra> ajayc, we dont want OPs in here
[06:50] <ajayc> no no
[06:50] <ogra> there is a list of people that can op or de-op
[06:50] <ajayc> i just wanted the topic to be updated
[06:50] <ogra> but we usually dont use it
[06:50] <ajayc> i did that myself later
[06:50] <kgoetz> ogra: can i sugest you make the colours theme sugest the blackboard background? or is that more effort then it's worth
[06:50] <ogra> so update it :)
[06:50] <ajayc> messed up
[06:50] <ajayc> see it
[06:50] <ajayc> i wated to just put SHIPIT!!! in the starting
[06:51] <ajayc> kgoetz, come to #vlos for a sec
[06:51] <mhz> Yagisan and ogra, nice knowledge of hardware you 2 have!
[06:51] <kgoetz> woot. edubuntu look'n'feel
[06:51] <michel> ogra: yes
[06:51] <Yagisan> mhz: when I was younger, I wrote my own to os in assembler
[06:51] <Yagisan> s/to/toy
[06:52] <Yagisan> mhz: I discovered that some hardware was a real pain-in-the arse to use and detect
[06:52] <kgoetz> Yagisan: :o you ...
[06:52] <mhz> Yagisan: eeeek, assembler!!! man, you are ld :D
[06:52] <mhz> old
[06:52] <Yagisan> mhz: and fixing the stuff for several years helps
[06:53] <Yagisan> mhz: I love assembler. great fun (until you reach 3 pages)
[06:53] <ogra> sorry for the noise
[06:53] <kgoetz> haha
[06:53] <ajayc> please can someone tell me whose nick stays online always
[06:53] <Yagisan> kgoetz: yes ?
[06:53] <Yagisan> ajayc: ubotu ;)
[06:53] <ajayc> can i get ubotu to #vlos
[06:53] <kgoetz> Yagisan: (02:21:24) Yagisan: mhz: when I was younger, I wrote my own to os in assembler
[06:53] <kgoetz> ^ that 
[06:54] <ogra> kgoetz, just create a new user, it will use the edubuntu default theme
[06:54] <Yagisan> ajayc: did you see the ;)
[06:54] <ajayc> Yagisan, what?
[06:54] <ajayc> ahh ok
[06:54] <kgoetz> ogra: i got it sused, thanks :)
[06:54] <ogra> kgoetz, also sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork ;)
[06:54] <ajayc> no i mean can i get ubotu there?
[06:54] <kgoetz> oh, lol. didnt think of that
[06:55] <mhz> Yagisan: it does...
[06:55] <kgoetz> nighta lll
[06:55] <mhz> nn
[06:55] <kgoetz> it's past my bedtime
[06:55] <Yagisan> night kgoetz
[06:55] <kgoetz> later all
[06:57] <mhz> ogra: can we then remove tuxMath from Dapper ? :D
[06:58] <mhz> I mean if we know it will suck in LTSP env.
[06:58] <mhz> end-users (ltsp users_ may balme on Edubuntu
[07:10] <mhz> Yagisan: and those games you mention, are all GPL'ed license ?
[07:10] <mhz> http://www.rmichelson.com/Artist_Pages/Diterlizzi/Tony_Diterlizzi_Gallery-New.html
[07:10] <Yagisan> mhz: sadly no. most a closed source
[07:11] <mhz> Yagisan: oh, I see
[07:11] <Yagisan> mhz: the open source ones are
[07:11] <mhz> but they run in Linux, at least
[07:11] <Yagisan> mhz: termulous, nexiuz, wesnoth, doomsday
[07:12] <Yagisan> mhz: enemy territory and america's army are free of charge, but closed source
[07:12] <mhz> Yagisan: one last question... do you know of any app that can be useful to control how long a workstation has been conected to internet? (kind of for Cybers)
[07:13] <mhz> or a GUI app that can let us stop what a station is doing?
[07:13] <Yagisan> mhz: off hand, no
[07:13] <mhz> Yagisan: nice info
[07:13] <mhz> no worries
[07:14] <mhz> I'll keep looking
[07:14] <mhz> Yagisan: THX a lot for useful info
[07:14] <Yagisan> mhz: what sort of games are you looking for
[07:14] <Yagisan> mhz: I have some links for you
[07:14] <mhz> cool!
[07:14] <mhz> I dont know
[07:15] <mhz> I have never played anything besides pon, tetris and xgalaga and nvaders
[07:15] <mhz> (ncurses)
[07:15] <Yagisan> mhz: you should try my game :)
[07:15] <mhz> sure, screenshots?
[07:16] <mhz> esp. on those lazy hours
[07:16] <Yagisan> mhz: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/ss/
[07:16] <mhz> Yagisan: i promise, if they buy the idea, you'll be the one in charge of security
[07:17] <Yagisan> mhz: as in $$ ??
[07:17] <mhz> the only prob. is that we'llbe talking chilean fees :(
[07:17] <mhz> yup
[07:18] <mhz> they said "show us a proposal"
[07:18] <mhz> tey liked Edubuntu idea very much, esp. when they noticed that there is no Cyber for edu purposes
[07:18] <Yagisan> mhz: here we go http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Native_Games
[07:18] <mhz> hehe, that ws my sales argument
[07:19] <Yagisan> ogra: so, opengl on the clients for edgy ;)
[07:20] <mhz> Yagisan: one last thing before i go to lunch
[07:20] <Yagisan> mhz: shoot
[07:20] <mhz> please refresh my memory.. why "your game"?
[07:20] <Yagisan> mhz: I am one of the upstream developers
[07:21] <mhz> ooooh
[07:21] <Yagisan> mhz: I basically make sure it doesn't break on linux
[07:21] <mhz> nice
[07:21] <Yagisan> mhz: and I tend to do janitorial fixes, and design stuff
[07:22] <mhz> for free as well? ;)
[07:22] <Yagisan> mhz_Lunch: : yes (some conditions). free data too, but it doesn't yet work correctly with it, 
[07:38] <cbx33> Goooooooooooooooooooooooooood evenin all
[07:39] <cbx33> mhz_Lunch, wlecome to the Schools advocacy team
[07:39] <cbx33> thanks JaneW for authorising
[07:39] <cbx33> !seen highvoltage
[07:39] <ubotu> highvoltage <n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 20h 56m 2s ago, saying: 'btw- does anyone know what OWA stands for in Ubuntu?'.
[07:40] <cbx33> anyone elase have access to the edubuntu server?
[07:40] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33
[07:40] <LaserJock> cbx33: hehe, did you have some caffeine tonight?
[07:40] <cbx33> well unless it's in Cok
[07:40] <cbx33> Coke
[07:40] <Yagisan> cbx33: where is it. I'll see if I can get access ;)
[07:40] <cbx33> Yagisan :p
[07:40] <Yagisan> cbx33: yes, coke has about the same level of caffeine as a strong coffee
[07:41] <cbx33> Yagisan, so how good are you at that, I practice a little of the black arts myself at times :p
[07:41] <cbx33> highvoltage was supposed to zip up the edubuntu theme so I could work on it and fix it, but un fortunately he hasn;t been on
[07:42] <Yagisan> cbx33: relatively good, but my best work is from a social engineering standpoint. the humans are far easier to work on. I also don't call it black arts when describing it to potential customers.
[07:43] <cbx33> Yagisan, of course
[07:43] <cbx33> coersive measures ?
[07:44] <Yagisan> cbx33: often no. If you look like you know what you are doing, no one stops you
[07:44] <cbx33> I know
[07:44] <cbx33> have read a few books on it
[07:44] <Yagisan> cbx33: experience is much more fun
[07:44] <cbx33> i'd bet
[07:45] <Yagisan> cbx33: when I get asked to explain my business, it often starts like this "Ever see the movie sneakers ?"
[07:45] <cbx33> heheh
[07:45] <cbx33> Yagisan, I'd love to do that kind of thing for a job
[07:45] <cbx33> just not that good at it yet :p
[07:46] <Yagisan> cbx33: it is a really really hard sell
[07:46] <cbx33> oh yeh
[07:46] <Yagisan> cbx33: but the work itself is fun
[07:47] <cbx33> hehehh
[07:47] <Yagisan> cbx33: I live next to a bank
[07:47] <cbx33> hahaha
[07:47] <cbx33> :p
[07:48] <Yagisan> cbx33: you would not believe what I hear in the car park
[07:48] <cbx33> really?
[07:48] <Yagisan> cbx33: really.
[07:48] <cbx33> oh do tell :p
[07:48] <cbx33> not specifics of course
[07:49] <cbx33> "todays security code is"
[07:49] <cbx33> read the art of deception ?
[07:49] <Yagisan> cbx33: I've never been inside it (no my bank), but eg I know which cameras are real, and which are not
[07:49] <Yagisan> cbx33: mitnick's book - no
[07:49] <cbx33> it's a good read,
[07:49] <cbx33> but then you'd probably have read much like it anyway
[07:50] <cbx33> by Erickson
[07:50] <pawsilver> hi there
[07:50] <cbx33> hi pawsilver 
[07:50] <Yagisan> cbx33: I do have a thick section of those books. actually, never did see mitnicks book in a book shop here
[07:50] <pawsilver> Can some one help me?
[07:50] <cbx33> pawsilver, we can try
[07:50] <cbx33> shoot
[07:51] <cbx33> Yagisan, shell code fastinates me
[07:51] <Yagisan> cbx33: makes it work learning assembler
[07:51] <Yagisan> s/work/worth
[07:52] <cbx33> indeed
[07:52] <pawsilver> I am getting this error "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[07:52] <pawsilver>      E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?"
[07:52] <cbx33> pawsilver, you should run that commane as sudo
[07:52] <cbx33> so do
[07:52] <cbx33> sudo ........
[07:53] <cbx33> pawsilver, am I right in thinking you are trying to install something?
[07:53] <Yagisan> cbx33: I will be mailing out a svn build of doomsday tonight
[07:53] <Yagisan> cbx33: crap, it's 4am
[07:53] <cbx33> ooooh
[07:53] <cbx33> Yagisan, crikey man, get some rest
[07:53] <cbx33> I could chat to you all evening
[07:53] <cbx33> :p
[07:53] <Yagisan> cbx33: let me amend that, I will be emailing out a svn build this morning
[07:53] <pawsilver> yes
[07:54] <pawsilver> I'm trying to reset my synaptic pakage manager
[07:55] <cbx33> reset?
[07:55] <cbx33> Yagisan, so I'm guessing you don;t hve legitimate access to the edubuntu server :p
[07:55] <pawsilver> I'm getting this error on start up "E: Malformed line 38 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[07:55] <pawsilver> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[07:55] <pawsilver> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem."
[07:56] <cbx33> what is line 38 in sources.lise?
[07:56] <pawsilver> startup of synaptic package manager that is
[07:56] <pawsilver> Don't know where to look
[07:56] <cbx33> can you paste the contents o /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:56] <cbx33> to a pastebin
[07:58] <pawsilver> pastebin?
[07:58] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/
[07:59] <cbx33> just paste into there
[07:59] <pawsilver> I can find /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:59] <pawsilver> ok
[07:59] <cbx33> then send me the link to that page
[08:00] <pawsilver> http://pastebin.ca/57137
[08:00] <pawsilver> done it !
[08:00] <cbx33> ok
[08:00] <cbx33> try commenting out line 38
[08:01] <pawsilver> which is line 38?
[08:01] <cbx33> look at pastebin
[08:01] <cbx33> it has line numbers
[08:01] <cbx33> (it's the bottom one)
[08:01] <pawsilver> ok the last one
[08:01] <cbx33> Burgundavia, you alive man?
[08:01] <cbx33> or are you working?
[08:02] <pawsilver> oops thats the one i tried to add and then i had all the problems
[08:02] <Burgundavia> cbx33, alive and feeling sick
[08:02] <pawsilver> do i add one # or two to comment it out?
[08:03] <cbx33> pawsilver, just one
[08:03] <pawsilver> thanx
[08:03] <cbx33> Burgundavia, oh dear
[08:03] <Burgundavia> I will dig into esa right now
[08:04] <pawsilver> cbx33, It won't allow me to change the file
[08:04] <cbx33> permission denied?
[08:04] <pawsilver> yes
[08:04] <cbx33> you have to be root
[08:05] <cbx33> so from the command line type
[08:05] <pawsilver> how do i do that?
[08:05] <cbx33> gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:05] <cbx33> sorry
[08:05] <cbx33> add sudo to the front of that
[08:05] <cbx33> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:06] <pawsilver> ok done! thanx
[08:06] <pawsilver> i will test it now
[08:06] <cbx33> ok
[08:07] <Yagisan> cbx33: no, I don't have access to the edubuntu server. I can't even upload software, I need to harass others to do it for me
[08:12] <cbx33> Yagisan, know anyone who does have access?
[08:16] <Yagisan> cbx33: well, I don't actually know which particular server you are after, but the fountain of knowledge around here is usually ogra JaneW and highvoltage. 
[08:17] <Yagisan> cbx33: I'm just here as window dressing
[08:21] <cbx33> hehe
[08:21] <cbx33> ogra, JaneW, highvoltage WHERE ARE YOOOUUU !
[08:22] <Burgundavia> cbx33, ogra and JaneW are on vacation today
[08:22] <cbx33> I know Burgundavia 
[08:22] <cbx33> i was just thinking wishfully
[08:27] <saugilsr> is there a special place for edubuntu specs? or do they all get placed in the same Ubuntu launchpad area?
[08:28] <LaserJock> they are in the Ubuntu LP
[08:29] <saugilsr> LaserJock: thanks.
[08:30] <Yagisan> cbx33: so, think you'll have time to test doomsday this weekend ?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> cbx33, edubutu difference section has been finished
[08:30] <Burgundavia> committed
[08:34] <Burgundavia> cbx33, are you working on the doc at all?
[08:36] <mhz_Lunch> re
[08:41] <Burgundavia> salut Amaranth 
[08:41] <Amaranth> hey
[08:42] <Burgundavia> heard anything from willow boy?
[08:44] <Amaranth> nope
[08:44] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:44] <Burgundavia> cbx33, ESA is all yours
[08:47] <mhz> cbx33: oh, thx for the welcome
[08:47] <mhz> I am glad to have some window time to contribute to Edubuntu
[08:49] <mhz> Laser_away: ping
[08:54] <mhz> cbx33: ping
[08:57] <cbx33> Burgundavia, thanks
[08:57] <cbx33> could you do me a favour and show my how to put images in?
[08:57] <cbx33> mhz, hi
[08:57] <cbx33> bb in baout 10-15 mins
[08:58] <mhz> cbx33: images in Moin?
[09:19] <Burgwork> mhz, images in docbook
[09:19] <Burgwork> cbx33, take a look at the other ones for how
[09:25] <mhz> oh, okis
[09:35] <Burgwork> Laser_away, hmm, away, eh. can you take a peak at the difference section in ESA now?
[10:01] <cbx33> thanx mhz just read the translation stuff about ESA
[10:06] <mhz> cbx33: so, is that a GO ?
[10:06] <cbx33> mhz, no
[10:06] <cbx33> not yet
[10:06] <mhz> oh
[10:06] <mhz> hehehe
[10:06] <cbx33> :p
[10:07] <cbx33> just mneed to do final
[10:07] <cbx33> checking
[10:07] <mhz> okis
[10:09] <lucasvo> hi
[10:09] <cbx33> hi lucasvo 
[10:17] <Burgwork> cbx33, are we going to send it for translation this weekend?
[10:18] <lucasvo> :)
[10:20] <lucasvo> cbx33: can you give me infos about the proxy your school uses?
[10:44] <Yagisan> I need to feed my kids and grab some sleep. I'll be back in about 8 hours or so
[10:44] <Yagisan> message me if you need me
[10:47] <cbx33> Burgwork, I'd like to
[10:47] <cbx33> I'm able to work on it some tomorrow, like for images and such
[10:47] <cbx33> hopefully a little tonight
[10:47] <Burgwork> cbx33, ok. The only thing I see needing work is to change the various ktouch, etc. to what they do
[10:47] <cbx33> just been called in to move the lounge around :p
[10:47] <cbx33> yes
[10:48] <cbx33> i can do that tomorrow
[10:48] <cbx33> UTC wise what tie will you be around till tomorrow morning
[10:48] <cbx33> lucasvo, they filter through something called websense
[10:48] <Burgwork> I am UTC-7, so likely not until 17:00 UTC at earliest
[10:49] <cbx33> right, that shuild be ok, gives me time to work in the morning my time
[10:49] <cbx33> how much longer you gonna be around now?
[10:49] <cbx33> in hours?
[10:49] <Burgwork> 4, maybe 6
[10:50] <cbx33> ok i may be back i na while
[10:50] <cbx33> bout 20-30 mins
[10:50] <cbx33> we can hopefully have a chat then
[10:52] <mhz> cbx33: re
[10:52] <mhz> cbx33: you work at a school?
[11:01] <cbx33> yes
[11:01] <cbx33> I do
[11:02] <mhz> and you have an edubuntu lab?
[11:03] <cbx33> yes
[11:04] <cbx33> Burgwork, you there?
[11:04] <mhz> any page with details?
[11:04] <cbx33> not as yet, we're still in the setting up phase
[11:05] <cbx33> trying to get active directory integration going
[11:05] <Burgwork> cbx33, yep
[11:05] <cbx33> wht's the svn repo again
[11:05] <cbx33> I want to download onto this computer
[11:07] <cbx33> i need the address
[11:08] <Burgwork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[11:08] <cbx33> thanx
[11:15] <cbx33> Burgwork, I have a few changes I'd like you to take a look at
[11:15] <cbx33> shall I diff and mail to you
[11:16] <Burgwork> cbx33, sure, but I have no way of applying it here at work
[11:17] <cbx33> what address?
[11:17] <Burgwork> corey.burger@gmail.com
[11:19] <cbx33> sent
[11:20] <cbx33> btw Burgwork excellent work on that section
[11:29] <cbx33> :D - a big thank you from me
[11:29] <cbx33> sure
[11:30] <cbx33> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/edubuntu/SchoolAdvocacy/C/school-advocacy.xml
[11:32] <LaserJock> I'm back
[11:32] <cbx33> w00t
[11:32] <cbx33> LaserJock, howz you
[11:36] <cbx33> I thought you said you were back :p
[11:37] <LaserJock> talking to the wife on the phone real quick ;-)
[11:37] <cbx33> heheh
[11:37] <cbx33> LaserJock, seen Burgwork's recent changes?
[11:37] <cbx33> I just submitted a patch to him but he can't apply it from there
[11:38] <LaserJock> not quite yet, I've been busy all day getting a passport and registering a new vehicle and paying for insurance, etc.
[11:38] <cbx33> Paris?
[11:38] <LaserJock> cbx33: want me to apply it?
[11:38] <LaserJock> the passport, yes
[11:38] <cbx33> well do you wanna have a quick look at what I chagned see if it makes sense
[11:38] <cbx33> shall I mail to you?
[11:39] <cbx33> mail addy?
[11:39] <LaserJock> mantha (at) ubuntu.com
[11:39] <cbx33> sent
[11:39] <cbx33> see if it makes sense
[11:40] <LaserJock> hmm, is it Saturday in Germany yet? ;-)
[11:41] <cbx33> hmm...dunno
[11:41] <cbx33> you thinking if pgra is working again yet :p
[11:41] <LaserJock> yep
[11:42] <LaserJock> I was thinking about a spec he wanted and I wanted to talk to him about it more, but it can really wait until after June 1 :-)
[11:42] <LaserJock> I'm just getting antsy
[11:42] <cbx33> oooh
[11:42] <cbx33> what's it for?
[11:42] <LaserJock> dynamic menus
[11:42] <cbx33> nice
[11:43] <LaserJock> basically, the Applications menu changes depending on what meta-packages are installed and what group the user is in, or something like that
[11:43] <cbx33> yeh
[11:43] <cbx33> sound like a cool idea
[11:43] <cbx33> like custom menus for users
[11:44] <cbx33> or user groups?
[11:44] <LaserJock> not sure
[11:44] <cbx33> heh
[11:44] <LaserJock> I sort of understand the "menus depend on meta-packages" part, but I'm not sure exactly what he wants as far as the user dependency
[11:45] <cbx33> ah right
[11:45] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if it is supposed to be a per user thing or per group thing
[11:45] <cbx33> right I'm gonna crash out
[11:45] <cbx33> my head is pounding again
[11:45] <cbx33> block nose
[11:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: ok, I'll look at your diff and apply it
[11:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: again?
[11:45] <cbx33> only if you think it's an improvement
[11:45] <cbx33> yup again
[11:46] <cbx33> it's turned into a major cold now
[11:46] <cbx33> and I'm feeling really rough
[11:46] <cbx33> will finish up on ESA tomorrow
[11:46] <cbx33> ready to release for translation
[11:46] <cbx33> if you get a chance could you have a chat to Burgwork about his ideas for changing the applications section
[11:46] <cbx33> and send me some notes
[11:46] <LaserJock> k
[11:46] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I can chat now
[11:46] <cbx33> I'll work on that omrrow when I get up
[11:47] <LaserJock> Burgwork: ok
[11:47] <cbx33> Burgwork, I'll sitck around fro a sec then :p
[11:47] <cbx33> till my head explodes
[11:47] <Burgwork> cbx33, you can go and sleep
[11:47] <Burgwork> LaserJock, The only thing I see needing work is to change the various ktouch, etc. to what they do
[11:48] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I agree, people want to know what the apps *do*
[11:49] <cbx33> i think Burgwork was talking about shortening it right?
[11:49] <LaserJock> paragraph per area? with no detailed listing? more narrative?
[11:50] <Burgwork> cbx33, the shortening was to the difference section, which is done
[11:50] <cbx33> oh right
[11:50] <cbx33> you said shorten the apps descripstion to one sentence though didnt you?
[11:51] <LaserJock> cbx33: how current is the wiki version of ESA?
[11:51] <Burgwork> LaserJock, very old
[11:51] <Burgwork> I was thinkinga bout that
[11:51] <LaserJock> k
[11:52] <Burgwork> I now think we should merge the "Tools" and "Education Apps" section into one
[11:52] <cbx33> for the wiki
[11:52] <cbx33> but then Burgwork made more changes :p
[11:52] <Burgwork> we can build the moin out of the docbook at the end, if needed
[11:53] <LaserJock> yeah, I just need to do a couple things to be able to render the docbook, just takes a sec
[11:53] <cbx33> Burgwork, yes please
[11:54] <cbx33> as people are wanting to start translating :p
[11:54] <Burgwork> moin is not needed for translation
[11:54] <Burgwork> we should do translation via rosetta
[11:54] <LaserJock> Burgwork: how do we get a template to rosetta?
[11:55] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I have just asked mdke to do it
[11:55] <mhz> cbx33: hmm,no good for me, I read no xml :)
[11:55] <cbx33> oooh excellent
[11:55] <cbx33> Burgwork, thank you
[11:55] <Burgwork> np
[11:55] <mhz> Burgwork: yeah, let's moin it!
[11:55] <cbx33> was thining rosetta but didn't know if it was possible
[11:55] <Burgwork> mhz, you need to edit the xslt to figure out to turn xml into mion
[11:56] <cbx33> heheh
[11:56] <mhz> Burgwork: hmm how about Docbook 2 Openoffice.org and from OpenOffice.org 2 Moin :D 
[11:56] <cbx33> noooooooo :p
[11:57] <cbx33> rosetta is the way to go
[11:57] <LaserJock> I think the docteam has a tool for at least moin -> docbook
[11:57] <Burgwork> LaserJock, nope, we don't
[11:57] <Burgwork> mhz, ick
[11:57] <Burgwork> rosetta gets us established teams
[11:57] <mhz> ick ?
[11:57] <cbx33> Burgwork, would it go up as a package then?
[11:58] <cbx33> if so can it be assigned to edubuntu school support team
[11:58] <Burgwork> cbx33, it could be shipped as part of edubuntu-doc, but it is pretty late for that
[11:58] <cbx33> it's too late for that now
[11:58] <LaserJock> Burgwork: what about teamstuff/article2moin ?
[11:58] <cbx33> next release
[11:58] <Burgwork> hmm
[11:58] <Burgwork> anyway, we should stop bikeshedding and get on with the actual doc
[11:58] <Burgwork> it is in docbook now
[11:58] <LaserJock> yeah, yeah
[12:02] <Burgwork> LaserJock, cbx33 we need a license for the doc
[12:02] <Burgwork> gfdl and ccbysa2.5 are not ideal if we ever want to print this
[12:03] <cbx33> yes
[12:03] <LaserJock> hmm, how so?
[12:03] <LaserJock> the docs on lulu are
[12:03] <Burgwork> gfdl requires you attach the license itself, which adds pages
[12:03] <cbx33> I'm not too hot on license
[12:03] <Burgwork> given the doc is only two or maybe three pages...
[12:03] <cbx33> Burgwork, wht about a link to the license?