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kwwiibut I had a nice kde progress bar :-) now I understand12:03
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DaSkreechRiddell: about-these-files.odt12:06
DaSkreechIn Exam12:06
DaSkreechExamples12:06
DaSkreechStupid Tab auto-completion :)12:07
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Riddellkwwii: kubuntu-default-settings uploaded too now12:09
kwwiicool :-)12:11
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kwwiidoes one want/need the backport sources uncommented in /etc/apt/source.list yet?12:29
pygikwwii, no, don't uncomment it pls :)12:30
pygipeople will suffer if you do that :)12:30
kwwiipygi: well, will it fsck my system? what kind of packages are in there?12:31
kwwiihow can anything be backported to a release which is not even out yet?12:31
pygiwell, it isnt12:31
pygimeaning, nothing is backported yet12:31
pygibut it will be :)12:31
kwwiiand that is the stuff that really tends to be flacky or what?12:32
pygiwell, stuff that isn't supposed to work with this version :)12:32
pygiIt can be good, it can be bad...depending who did the backporting12:32
kwwiihehe, I know that feeling12:33
Riddellbackports use exactly the same sources as are in the ubuntu archive12:33
kwwiiwhich leads me to ask...what doesn't?12:33
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Riddellanything outside of archive.ubuntu.com presumably12:34
kwwiioutside of some personal sourc12:34
kwwiiyeah, gotcha12:34
Riddellpackages from kubuntu.org for example12:34
pygiRiddell, there are no "custom cd orders" in shipit?12:37
Riddellpygi: "sometime next week"12:37
pygiah,oki :)12:37
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Riddellgo ahead12:39
pygiRiddell, yea, I forgot to mention...12:40
pygido you have any special ideas for KDE BZR UI?12:40
Riddellwell, what would it do?12:41
pygiwell, for first release: - init - branch - add - remove - mv - ignore - diff - merge - commit - uncommit - log - check - push - pull - export - conflicts - info - mkdir - nick - revno - version - whoami12:43
pygiand perhaps: view remote branch patches, compare patches, cherrypick patches (merging) from other branches with drag&drop, etc.12:44
kwwiipygi: I already started a mindmap on how to organize this stuff12:44
pygikwwii, nice :)12:44
kwwiipygi: I'll make a mockup sometime in the next week or so12:44
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kwwiiit takes a lot of juggling to get it right12:44
pygiwe have time, no worries :)12:44
kwwiithat is nice to hear for a change12:45
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kwwii:-)12:47
pygiAnyway, I should probably go to sleep now unless someone objects...12:47
Riddellsleep well12:48
kwwiiyeah, sweet dreams12:48
pygithanks kwwii and Riddell 12:48
kwwiidon't let the bedbugs bite12:48
pygiif you have ideas, send by mail12:48
pygikwwii, hehe :)12:48
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Riddellhello PascalFR__ 12:49
kwwiiRiddell: stop scaring peole off12:49
kwwiis/peole/people12:50
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Riddellhello kozz_ 12:52
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kwwiiok, time for sleep01:06
kwwiicu all tomorrow01:06
kwwiicu meaning asshole in portugeuse :-)01:06
kwwiibye01:06
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bddebianHey folks03:03
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Riddellgood morning bddebian 03:17
bddebianHi Riddell, how's things?03:18
Riddella bit sleepy :)03:21
Riddellbut the new amarok is up03:21
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bddebianRiddell: You brought it in?03:22
apokryphosRiddell: really awesome that kubuntu has shipit now; great stuff =)03:25
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poimenhow is going the preparations for the realese?05:05
robotgeekpoimen: pretty good :)05:06
poimenrobotgeek : is espresso ready to rock on?05:16
robotgeekpoimen: i think so (it's now called ubiquity)05:16
poimenI would like to see Kubuntu with XGL and Compiz 05:17
robotgeekpoimen: edgy :)05:17
poimenI have in my machine rightnow  Kubuntu 0.06 dapper las update with apt was about a week ,   and suse 10.1 running KDE/XGL/Compiz on a Ati x300 with the fglrx drivers05:18
freeflyingrobotgeek: hi05:18
robotgeekhey freeflying ! how are the translations coming along?05:18
freeflyingrobotgeek: we are struggling on it, the kubuntu desktopguide will be finished soon05:19
robotgeekfreeflying: i think one more string change will be uploaded (new java)05:20
freeflyingrobotgeek: okey05:20
poimenrobotgeek : http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5739/xglkde8ke.png05:21
poimenthere things look a bit choopy but it looks perfect in my desktop I dont know why the screenshoot show like that05:21
poimenmaybe the png compresion05:21
robotgeekpoimen: it looks nice, but how is this useful :)05:22
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poimenthat is not usefull but there some features that are usefull05:22
poimenlike that one that shows all the windows you have open and lets you work with the one you want05:23
poimenalso usefull is not the onlything that atracs people to a desktop05:24
poimenI love eyecandy 05:24
poimen;)05:24
robotgeekpoimen: true, i am mostly in a terminal though 05:25
poimen:)05:26
poimenI like the terminal too , lol I configure almost everything with the terminal I dont like gui fot configs I hate them but for browsing and normal desktop usage I love eyecandy ;)05:28
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poimenlol05:35
robotgeektoo much stuff from testing other apps, i ran outta space05:37
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bddebianGnight folks06:04
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Tonio_https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/4552607:50
UbugtuMalone bug 45526 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu:removing OOo removes kubuntu-desktop" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  07:50
Tonio_any opinion on this ?07:50
kgoetzreject it? (unless koffice became default while i wasnt looking )07:51
Tonio_kgoetz: did you read the purpose ? I don't mean replace OOO by koffice, but provide a second desktop package for the koffice users07:59
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kgoetz(this time i'll consentrait)08:00
Tonio_kgoetz: hehe08:01
kgoetzhm. interesting idea. does it do openoffice compatilbe documents (sxw and or odf)?08:02
Tonio_kgoetz: only opendocument08:05
Tonio_odf and odt files are now the default for koffice08:05
kgoetzfor edgy it might be a cool idea, because odt will be in use a fair bit more then sxw (which was pre Breezy)08:06
kgoetzgrr. it's not booting my cd or flopy :(08:06
kgoetzwoot. it did boot floppy *hugs Tonio_*08:07
Tonio_kgoetz: sorry but I have to go work ;)08:08
kgoetzlol. 08:08
kgoetzafter 3 days i might get etch installed *rolls eyes*08:08
Tonio_kgoetz: lol08:09
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hiasllhi! can somebody confirm a problem with the audiocd ioslave! There are more tracks listed than numbers on the cd.11:12
hiaslland cddb information is not fetched.11:12
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kgoetzanyone know why there's no kubuntu ppc cds available in shipt? i'm curious11:33
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kwwiimoin12:16
freeflyingkwwii: moin12:17
kwwiihi freeflying12:18
cmvokwwii: moin12:18
kwwiiso, what pretty pics should I make today?12:19
freeflyingkwwii: background  :)12:20
freeflyingkwwii: taskbar12:20
kwwiitaskbar?12:20
kwwiithe metabar?12:20
kwwiior the panel12:20
kwwii?12:20
freeflyingkwwii: panel  :)12:27
Hobbseehi kwwii 12:27
Hobbseeooh yes, a pretty panel would be nice :)12:27
kwwiiI'll play around with some slightly colored gradients :-)12:28
Hobbsee:)12:28
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jeroenvrphi folks01:11
jeroenvrpanyone knows how I delete my own entries in Rosetta?01:12
jeroenvrpor change01:12
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MidMarkRiddell: Hi, don't know if Bug #45398 is related to qtparted, but I have provided also screenshots of the problem01:38
UbugtuMalone bug 45398 in qtparted "with a non-empty fat32 hard disk, after delete the partition it still says that it's non-empty" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4539801:38
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MrFaberhi all02:48
MrFaberI have a question according to keyboard layouts02:48
MrFaberWhy is it possible that most sound keys work with ubuntu out of the box but not kubuntu?02:49
MrFaberAnd with KDE 3.5.2 there are another problems. In my case I have to redefine my sound keys with xmod do change volume because standard values can't be used with kde.02:50
kwwiiMrFaber: that is a known bug02:50
MrFaberkwwii: ok, thanks :)02:51
kwwiiMrFaber: it has to do with how keys are represeted in the system02:51
MrFaberkwwii: I thought so02:51
kwwiithe base system was changed and kde simply cannot do it like that yet02:51
MrFaberkwwii: but the recognization bug is there since hoary02:51
MrFaberkwwii: but it could be fixed until dapper through selecting the correct keyboard lacout02:51
MrFaber*layout02:51
kwwiiI am new since dapper, so I really wouldn't know about the past :-(02:52
MrFaberkwwii: keys wasn't reserved or something like that before02:52
MrFabersound keys02:52
kwwiibut I had exactly this discussion with a developer02:52
MrFaberok, thx02:52
kwwiino problem :.-)02:52
MrFaberIf it is known it is ok :)02:52
OdyXMrFaber: Try to change keyboard layout (from 104 keys to "Dell Inspiron Laptop" for ex.)02:53
OdyXMrFaber: It does work for me.02:54
OdyX(Keyboard layouts.02:54
MrFaberOdyX: for me too until Dapper02:54
OdyXMrFaber: well... bad02:54
OdyX:..02:54
MrFaberOdyX: but keyboard keys are reserved in KDE Dapper so you can't set it for your sound channel02:54
MrFaberat least on my pc02:54
OdyXdon't understand..02:54
MrFaberOdyX: if I use Dell Keyboard layout the keys are recocgnized02:55
MrFaberbut the keys are used02:55
MrFaberand kde allows only one function for a key02:55
OdyXOK.02:55
MrFaberin past I could set the keys for front sound card channel02:55
MrFaberoder headphone or something like that02:56
MrFaberand it worked with changed keyboardlayout out of the box02:56
OdyXYeah... it did for me.02:57
OdyXRiddell: "Dynamic lists" in latest Amarok do NOT work...02:57
sebasYeah, where's the dynamic mode button anyway?02:57
MrFabersebas: right mouse click in list02:58
MrFabersebas: and choose random mode or something like that02:58
sebasHm, random is dynamic mode now? :?02:59
MrFabersebas: Load Radnom Mix02:59
OdyXsebas: or "lists"...02:59
OdyXsebas: no... you have both02:59
OdyXbut dynamic don't work02:59
sebasWhich list do I have to RMB?02:59
MrFaberok, cu03:00
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OdyXsebas ?03:00
sebasYes?03:01
sebasAh, I need to click a free space in the main playlist window.03:01
OdyXyep..03:02
sebasNow I have a pretty damn clear idea why to kick the amarok's people03:02
sebas's ass when they're here.03:02
OdyXthen try to reload03:02
OdyXWell.. 1.3 was "just fine"03:03
OdyX:-(03:03
OdyXand now, it "just sucks"03:04
sebasTHanks03:08
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abattoirOdyX: Random mix works fine for me.03:27
OdyXrandom, maybe...03:27
OdyXtry "dynamic" abattoir03:27
abattoirisnt Random mix under Dynamic playlist?03:28
OdyXwell... no03:28
abattoirit is for me... in the Playlist tab03:29
OdyXRandom = You load "a lot of" music and then amaroK travels into it randomly03:29
OdyXDynamic = amaroK loads music for you.03:29
OdyXRandom works03:29
OdyXDynamic no03:29
abattoirDynamic Playlists is the main category... under that i have "Suggested Songs" and "Random Mix"03:30
OdyXYep.. I mis-explained...03:30
OdyX"Random Mix" works03:30
OdyX"Suggested songs don't"03:30
abattoiraah, yes...03:30
abattoir:) 03:30
OdyXwell... "sugggested" is more than "random"03:31
OdyXabattoir: and we have two "random modes"03:32
OdyXbizarre03:32
abattoirtwo random modes? under Dynamic playlists?03:33
abattoirbeta3 was awesome :D 03:33
OdyXYep...03:33
abattoiri have only one though, Suggested Songs and Random Mix.03:33
OdyXWell... I'll show you our "second random mode"03:34
OdyXquit these "dynamic lists", Load some music03:34
abattoirok...03:34
OdyXMenu "mode" - "Random"03:34
abattoirhmmm... doesnt seem to do anything...03:35
OdyXWell..03:35
abattoirdo you have scores/ratings on... whichever is set by the user?03:35
OdyXchange tracks03:35
OdyX:D03:35
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abattoirlol03:36
abattoirwhat if suggested songs depends on the ratings/scores that you have set03:36
abattoiri have disabled them, so maybe none of the songs are eligible... and hence dont get loaded.03:36
marseillai_dynamic playlist works fine for me with amarok 1.4.0a03:37
OdyXabattoir: this is what "Suggested song" are _supposed_ to do03:37
OdyXabattoir: no... I have them...03:37
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abattoirOdyX: oh, ok then, thought that might have been the reason.03:37
OdyXwell... good try.03:37
OdyX:-(03:37
abattoirindeed... :( 03:38
jeroenvrpkmyfirewall is not good preconfigured regarding the paths03:38
jeroenvrpso not usable out of the box03:38
OdyXuse "guarddog" ;-)03:39
jeroenvrpOdyX: I've heard kmyfirewall is much more userfriendly03:40
OdyXWell... maybe...03:40
jeroenvrpand I have bad experencies with guarddog03:40
OdyXthe problem with guarddog... is that it is "all closed per default03:40
jeroenvrpI used fiorestarter for a while, but I want to have a KDE-app03:40
OdyXso it's not easy to configr03:40
jeroenvrpall firewalls are closed by default03:41
OdyX...03:41
jeroenvrpexcept the outbound03:41
OdyXWell.. Windows's ones are closed but ask you for opening03:41
jeroenvrpI mean incoming03:41
OdyXwith Linux's, you have to "know"03:41
jeroenvrpOdyX: thats true03:42
jeroenvrpand that is a good thing03:42
OdyXwell... yes and no..03:42
OdyX'cause normal user won't know which "ports" he has to open03:43
OdyXWell. Have to go03:45
OdyXSee ya guys...03:45
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kmonhi07:25
jpatrickhello07:25
kmontoday i've upgraded my dpper machine07:25
kmonand amarok 1.4 is not working07:26
kmonlibkdecore.4: no such file or directory07:26
kmonany ideas?07:26
jjessehmmi just updated my dapper and still having problems were everything locks up :(07:27
marseillai_kmon: i've got the same problem! it has been solve the second time i launch amarok07:29
kmonI can't launch it at all!07:30
kmoneverytime I type amarok in the konsole07:30
jjessei didn't think an updated amaroK was being included in dapper?07:30
kmonit gives me the same error07:31
kmonit's from the kubuntu.org repo07:31
kmoni.e. Riddell's repo07:31
jjesseah07:31
kmonthe thing is that I installed amarok yesterday and everything was fine07:31
kmonbut updating today broke it07:32
kmon:(07:32
kmonthe amarok sidebar in konqueror doesn't work either07:33
crimsunkmon: apt-cache policy amarok|grep Candidate07:34
marseillai_kmon: why you don't re-install amarok from main repo ?07:34
marseillai_kmon: do you have 1.4.0 ou 1.4.0a version ?07:34
kmon0a07:35
kmoncrimsun: no results07:35
crimsunkmon: err...that's not possible.07:35
kmoncrimsun: it's possible07:36
kmonhehe07:36
kmoni'm using locale=es07:36
kmonso it's candidato ;)07:36
crimsunah07:36
kmonCandidato: 2:1.4.0a-0ubuntu107:37
crimsunah yes, the problematic one.07:37
crimsunCandidate: 2:1.4.0-0ubuntu107:37
crimsunis what I'm currently using07:37
kmondid you force the package version?07:37
crimsunno, I removed the repo entry immediately after installing 1.4.007:38
marseillai_crimsun: funy because 2:1.4.0 didn't work at all for me! many bugs! but 1.4.0a works fine07:38
crimsunmarseillai_: hmm, interesting.07:38
kmonok07:43
kmonthabnks everyone07:43
jpatrickde nada07:43
kmonI'll have a look at this later07:43
kmonjpatrick: ;)07:43
kmonjpatrick: did you manage to separate gtk code from beagle?07:44
jpatrickNo07:44
jpatrick...unfortunatly07:45
kmonmaybe for edgy07:45
jpatrickyeah07:45
kmonI'll upgrade as soon as it boots on my pc ;)07:45
kmonhehe07:45
jpatricktoo late in FeatureFreeze now to start ripping packages apart07:46
kmonyup07:46
kmonthere's a few weeks until celebration07:46
jpatrickI'm going to see if I can get my hands on some beer for that07:46
kmonhehe07:48
kmonyou're too young07:48
jpatrickthat's the problem07:48
jpatrickoh well07:49
jpatrick15 next week (woohoo)07:49
kmonin spain you can buy beer in a chineese food shop07:49
jpatrick...right..07:49
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kmoneven after 10pm when suppossely it's illegal07:50
kmonthis country is becoming too dumb07:50
jpatrickgirls are alright07:50
Tonio_hey07:50
kmonhehe07:50
jpatrickhey Tonio_07:50
Tonio_Riddell: ping ?07:51
jjessehello Tonio_07:51
jpatrickkmon: but this heat's becoming _unbearable_07:51
jjessei think he is part of the mandetory vacation07:51
kmonI'm considering moving to another country07:51
Tonio_hi jess07:51
Tonio_jjesse: 07:51
jjessegrin hello07:51
jpatrickI'm off to eat07:52
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RiddellTonio_: hi07:55
Tonio_Riddell: hey ;)07:55
Tonio_Riddell: I was thinking about the icon size, it is just one line to remove in konquerorrc file, so why waiting for edgy to make this ?07:55
Tonio_Riddell: I will look for improvements to perform on kds this WE (there are still a few things to work on), so I would you be okay if I include this in the cnhangelog too ?07:56
Riddellbecause we've in uber deep freeze, that icon size affects more than konqueror, it's possible it breaks something else07:56
Tonio_Riddell: hum..... I'm not talking about changing the global font size, but just the konqueror's one07:57
Tonio_and make it use "default" instead of 6407:57
Tonio_I'm not talking about the kde global icon size07:57
Tonio_s/font/icon sorry07:58
Riddellwe should be onto bugfixes only now, not settings tweaking07:58
Tonio_Riddell: okay (although there is a bug on this hehe)07:58
Tonio_let's wait for dapper then07:58
Tonio_edgy....07:58
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kwwiire08:19
jpatrickhi kwwii08:21
kwwiihowdy jpatrick08:22
kwwiihow did we end up with so many jonathans in this channel?08:22
kwwiiI am beginning to think it is a conspiracy08:24
kwwiiscary that I named my son jonathan as well :-)08:24
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MrFaberTonio_: you there?08:27
jpatrickkwwii: haha08:28
Tonio_MrFaber: yes ;)08:29
MrFaberTonio_: Only a question :)08:30
Tonio_MrFaber: fire away !08:30
MrFaberTonio_: is it possible to add a list of ssid with same configs in knetworkmanager?08:30
Tonio_MrFaber: I don't think so, since the settings are stored in kwallet manager08:30
MrFaberall have wpa enterprise encryption08:30
Tonio_MrFaber: unless you have a tool that allows to edit it manually, but I don't know such a tool08:31
MrFaberIsn't only the password saved there?08:31
Riddelljpatrick: did you see kexi-mdb-driver finally got past NEW08:31
jpatrickRiddell: yep08:31
Tonio_MrFaber: let me look, it seems it is possible to edit the wallet manually, so you can test08:31
jpatrickgot the mail08:31
MrFaberTonio_: many thanks08:32
Tonio_MrFaber: note it is very "theoric", I'm not sure it'll work, but you can try08:32
MrFaberTonio_: btw, it would be great if wpa_supplicant.conf could be imported in knetworkmanager .)08:33
Tonio_MrFaber: send an email to knetworkmanager upstream ;)08:34
MrFaber:)08:34
MrFaberTonio_: ok, kwallet seems to have one entry for each ssid08:36
MrFaberTonio_: thanks anyway :)08:37
Tonio_MrFaber: yes, so if you add new entries manually, that can do the job08:37
MrFabergreat tool08:37
Tonio_MrFaber: your servant08:37
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MrFaber:)08:37
MrFabercu all08:38
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Tm_Mhi kids11:31
Riddellevening dad11:32
Tm_Mheh, how's going?11:32
Riddellrecompiling koffice 1.5.1, again11:35
Tm_Msounds friday night11:36
Tm_MI'm starting as kitchen assistant in local healthcarecentre next week, wohoo11:40
Tm_Mso, I might afford own dsl connection around july, unless I'm moving11:42
kwwiisounds like fun!11:42
kwwiihehe11:42
RiddellI've done that before11:43
kwwiiI worked as a cook and butcher for a long time11:43
Riddelllots of washing up to be done11:43
kwwii12 years11:43
Riddelland lots of free food afterwards11:43
kwwiidoing the dishes is the easy part, really11:43
Tm_Mwill be interesting summer11:43
kwwiiI mean, there is little stress involved11:43
kwwiiRiddell: is there still time to change a few things?11:44
Tm_Mdishes is fun11:45
kwwii:-)11:45
kwwiihave a kid and then you will realize that they are an inevitable part of life11:45
Riddellkwwii: what sort of things?11:46
Tm_MI love kids also =)11:46
kwwiiRiddell: well, I thought about touching up the kdm screen again (the red warning text overlays the blue line I put in the pic)11:47
kwwiishould have done it last night, but today I typed my password wrong for the first time11:47
kwwiiand noticed the problem11:47
Riddellthat should be fine11:48
Riddelland if you're bored you can move the arrow button next to the text fields :)11:48
kwwiiRiddell: that is really nasty if I remeber correctly11:49
RiddellI know, that's why I've been putting it off11:49
kwwiithe length of the entry fields is unknown11:49
kwwiiso at suse we just kinda faked it by putting it far enough away not to cause a problem11:49
kwwiinot sure that our design would allow for that11:50
kwwiiI will look into the xml11:50
kwwiiI asssume this uses a gdm like xml file?11:50
Tm_Mok, trying to sleep again, good night and have fun :) ->11:51
kwwiinight Tm_M11:51
kwwiifoudn it11:52
kwwiiI know that I tend to ask stupid questions11:52
kwwiibut hey, I am trying to be an artist11:52
kwwiiRiddell: do you know if kdm can render an svg?11:53
kwwiiit would be better to use the svg bg instead of the png one11:53
kwwiiit would scale naturally11:53
kwwiiok...here is a non-stupid question: how can I install the funtionality to open another session in my current session in kde?11:55
kwwiiI guess I need an xnest xserver to start with11:55
kwwiibut I do not see one in apt-get11:56
Riddellkwwii: it can11:58
Riddellkwwii: although aften you have to play around to get an SVG is can render correctly11:58
Riddellkwwii: k-menu -> Session11:58
Riddellkwwii: with the background, ksplash can only use the png so it's best to keep it png to match that11:59
kwwiiRiddell: well, the svg bg I made is only one box with a gradient12:00
kwwiiI will test it12:01
kwwiiif it works on ppc, it'll work anywhere12:02

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