[12:03] <kwwii> but I had a nice kde progress bar :-) now I understand
[12:06] <DaSkreech> Riddell: about-these-files.odt
[12:06] <DaSkreech> In Exam
[12:06] <DaSkreech> Examples
[12:07] <DaSkreech> Stupid Tab auto-completion :)
[12:09] <Riddell> kwwii: kubuntu-default-settings uploaded too now
[12:11] <kwwii> cool :-)
[12:29] <kwwii> does one want/need the backport sources uncommented in /etc/apt/source.list yet?
[12:30] <pygi> kwwii, no, don't uncomment it pls :)
[12:30] <pygi> people will suffer if you do that :)
[12:31] <kwwii> pygi: well, will it fsck my system? what kind of packages are in there?
[12:31] <kwwii> how can anything be backported to a release which is not even out yet?
[12:31] <pygi> well, it isnt
[12:31] <pygi> meaning, nothing is backported yet
[12:31] <pygi> but it will be :)
[12:32] <kwwii> and that is the stuff that really tends to be flacky or what?
[12:32] <pygi> well, stuff that isn't supposed to work with this version :)
[12:32] <pygi> It can be good, it can be bad...depending who did the backporting
[12:33] <kwwii> hehe, I know that feeling
[12:33] <Riddell> backports use exactly the same sources as are in the ubuntu archive
[12:33] <kwwii> which leads me to ask...what doesn't?
[12:34] <Riddell> anything outside of archive.ubuntu.com presumably
[12:34] <kwwii> outside of some personal sourc
[12:34] <kwwii> yeah, gotcha
[12:34] <Riddell> packages from kubuntu.org for example
[12:37] <pygi> Riddell, there are no "custom cd orders" in shipit?
[12:37] <Riddell> pygi: "sometime next week"
[12:37] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[12:39] <Riddell> go ahead
[12:40] <pygi> Riddell, yea, I forgot to mention...
[12:40] <pygi> do you have any special ideas for KDE BZR UI?
[12:41] <Riddell> well, what would it do?
[12:43] <pygi> well, for first release: - init - branch - add - remove - mv - ignore - diff - merge - commit - uncommit - log - check - push - pull - export - conflicts - info - mkdir - nick - revno - version - whoami
[12:44] <pygi> and perhaps: view remote branch patches, compare patches, cherrypick patches (merging) from other branches with drag&drop, etc.
[12:44] <kwwii> pygi: I already started a mindmap on how to organize this stuff
[12:44] <pygi> kwwii, nice :)
[12:44] <kwwii> pygi: I'll make a mockup sometime in the next week or so
[12:44] <kwwii> it takes a lot of juggling to get it right
[12:44] <pygi> we have time, no worries :)
[12:45] <kwwii> that is nice to hear for a change
[12:47] <kwwii> :-)
[12:47] <pygi> Anyway, I should probably go to sleep now unless someone objects...
[12:48] <Riddell> sleep well
[12:48] <kwwii> yeah, sweet dreams
[12:48] <pygi> thanks kwwii and Riddell 
[12:48] <kwwii> don't let the bedbugs bite
[12:48] <pygi> if you have ideas, send by mail
[12:48] <pygi> kwwii, hehe :)
[12:49] <Riddell> hello PascalFR__ 
[12:49] <kwwii> Riddell: stop scaring peole off
[12:50] <kwwii> s/peole/people
[12:52] <Riddell> hello kozz_ 
[01:06] <kwwii> ok, time for sleep
[01:06] <kwwii> cu all tomorrow
[01:06] <kwwii> cu meaning asshole in portugeuse :-)
[01:06] <kwwii> bye
[03:03] <bddebian> Hey folks
[03:17] <Riddell> good morning bddebian 
[03:18] <bddebian> Hi Riddell, how's things?
[03:21] <Riddell> a bit sleepy :)
[03:21] <Riddell> but the new amarok is up
[03:22] <bddebian> Riddell: You brought it in?
[03:25] <apokryphos> Riddell: really awesome that kubuntu has shipit now; great stuff =)
[05:05] <poimen> how is going the preparations for the realese?
[05:06] <robotgeek> poimen: pretty good :)
[05:16] <poimen> robotgeek : is espresso ready to rock on?
[05:16] <robotgeek> poimen: i think so (it's now called ubiquity)
[05:17] <poimen> I would like to see Kubuntu with XGL and Compiz 
[05:17] <robotgeek> poimen: edgy :)
[05:18] <poimen> I have in my machine rightnow  Kubuntu 0.06 dapper las update with apt was about a week ,   and suse 10.1 running KDE/XGL/Compiz on a Ati x300 with the fglrx drivers
[05:18] <freeflying> robotgeek: hi
[05:18] <robotgeek> hey freeflying ! how are the translations coming along?
[05:19] <freeflying> robotgeek: we are struggling on it, the kubuntu desktopguide will be finished soon
[05:20] <robotgeek> freeflying: i think one more string change will be uploaded (new java)
[05:20] <freeflying> robotgeek: okey
[05:21] <poimen> robotgeek : http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5739/xglkde8ke.png
[05:21] <poimen> there things look a bit choopy but it looks perfect in my desktop I dont know why the screenshoot show like that
[05:21] <poimen> maybe the png compresion
[05:22] <robotgeek> poimen: it looks nice, but how is this useful :)
[05:22] <poimen> that is not usefull but there some features that are usefull
[05:23] <poimen> like that one that shows all the windows you have open and lets you work with the one you want
[05:24] <poimen> also usefull is not the onlything that atracs people to a desktop
[05:24] <poimen> I love eyecandy 
[05:24] <poimen> ;)
[05:25] <robotgeek> poimen: true, i am mostly in a terminal though 
[05:26] <poimen> :)
[05:28] <poimen> I like the terminal too , lol I configure almost everything with the terminal I dont like gui fot configs I hate them but for browsing and normal desktop usage I love eyecandy ;)
[05:35] <poimen> lol
[05:37] <robotgeek> too much stuff from testing other apps, i ran outta space
[06:04] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:50] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/45526
[07:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45526 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu:removing OOo removes kubuntu-desktop" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[07:50] <Tonio_> any opinion on this ?
[07:51] <kgoetz> reject it? (unless koffice became default while i wasnt looking )
[07:59] <Tonio_> kgoetz: did you read the purpose ? I don't mean replace OOO by koffice, but provide a second desktop package for the koffice users
[08:00] <kgoetz> *re-reads
[08:00] <kgoetz> (this time i'll consentrait)
[08:01] <Tonio_> kgoetz: hehe
[08:02] <kgoetz> hm. interesting idea. does it do openoffice compatilbe documents (sxw and or odf)?
[08:05] <Tonio_> kgoetz: only opendocument
[08:05] <Tonio_> odf and odt files are now the default for koffice
[08:06] <kgoetz> for edgy it might be a cool idea, because odt will be in use a fair bit more then sxw (which was pre Breezy)
[08:06] <kgoetz> grr. it's not booting my cd or flopy :(
[08:07] <kgoetz> woot. it did boot floppy *hugs Tonio_*
[08:08] <Tonio_> kgoetz: sorry but I have to go work ;)
[08:08] <kgoetz> lol. 
[08:08] <kgoetz> after 3 days i might get etch installed *rolls eyes*
[08:09] <Tonio_> kgoetz: lol
[11:12] <hiasll> hi! can somebody confirm a problem with the audiocd ioslave! There are more tracks listed than numbers on the cd.
[11:12] <hiasll> and cddb information is not fetched.
[11:33] <kgoetz> anyone know why there's no kubuntu ppc cds available in shipt? i'm curious
[12:16] <kwwii> moin
[12:17] <freeflying> kwwii: moin
[12:18] <kwwii> hi freeflying
[12:18] <cmvo> kwwii: moin
[12:19] <kwwii> so, what pretty pics should I make today?
[12:20] <freeflying> kwwii: background  :)
[12:20] <freeflying> kwwii: taskbar
[12:20] <kwwii> taskbar?
[12:20] <kwwii> the metabar?
[12:20] <kwwii> or the panel
[12:20] <kwwii> ?
[12:27] <freeflying> kwwii: panel  :)
[12:27] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[12:27] <Hobbsee> ooh yes, a pretty panel would be nice :)
[12:28] <kwwii> I'll play around with some slightly colored gradients :-)
[12:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:11] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[01:12] <jeroenvrp> anyone knows how I delete my own entries in Rosetta?
[01:12] <jeroenvrp> or change
[01:38] <MidMark> Riddell: Hi, don't know if Bug #45398 is related to qtparted, but I have provided also screenshots of the problem
[01:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45398 in qtparted "with a non-empty fat32 hard disk, after delete the partition it still says that it's non-empty" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45398
[02:48] <MrFaber> hi all
[02:48] <MrFaber> I have a question according to keyboard layouts
[02:49] <MrFaber> Why is it possible that most sound keys work with ubuntu out of the box but not kubuntu?
[02:50] <MrFaber> And with KDE 3.5.2 there are another problems. In my case I have to redefine my sound keys with xmod do change volume because standard values can't be used with kde.
[02:50] <kwwii> MrFaber: that is a known bug
[02:51] <MrFaber> kwwii: ok, thanks :)
[02:51] <kwwii> MrFaber: it has to do with how keys are represeted in the system
[02:51] <MrFaber> kwwii: I thought so
[02:51] <kwwii> the base system was changed and kde simply cannot do it like that yet
[02:51] <MrFaber> kwwii: but the recognization bug is there since hoary
[02:51] <MrFaber> kwwii: but it could be fixed until dapper through selecting the correct keyboard lacout
[02:51] <MrFaber> *layout
[02:52] <kwwii> I am new since dapper, so I really wouldn't know about the past :-(
[02:52] <MrFaber> kwwii: keys wasn't reserved or something like that before
[02:52] <MrFaber> sound keys
[02:52] <kwwii> but I had exactly this discussion with a developer
[02:52] <MrFaber> ok, thx
[02:52] <kwwii> no problem :.-)
[02:52] <MrFaber> If it is known it is ok :)
[02:53] <OdyX> MrFaber: Try to change keyboard layout (from 104 keys to "Dell Inspiron Laptop" for ex.)
[02:54] <OdyX> MrFaber: It does work for me.
[02:54] <OdyX> (Keyboard layouts.
[02:54] <MrFaber> OdyX: for me too until Dapper
[02:54] <OdyX> MrFaber: well... bad
[02:54] <OdyX> :..
[02:54] <MrFaber> OdyX: but keyboard keys are reserved in KDE Dapper so you can't set it for your sound channel
[02:54] <MrFaber> at least on my pc
[02:54] <OdyX> don't understand..
[02:55] <MrFaber> OdyX: if I use Dell Keyboard layout the keys are recocgnized
[02:55] <MrFaber> but the keys are used
[02:55] <MrFaber> and kde allows only one function for a key
[02:55] <OdyX> OK.
[02:55] <MrFaber> in past I could set the keys for front sound card channel
[02:56] <MrFaber> oder headphone or something like that
[02:56] <MrFaber> and it worked with changed keyboardlayout out of the box
[02:57] <OdyX> Yeah... it did for me.
[02:57] <OdyX> Riddell: "Dynamic lists" in latest Amarok do NOT work...
[02:57] <sebas> Yeah, where's the dynamic mode button anyway?
[02:58] <MrFaber> sebas: right mouse click in list
[02:58] <MrFaber> sebas: and choose random mode or something like that
[02:59] <sebas> Hm, random is dynamic mode now? :?
[02:59] <MrFaber> sebas: Load Radnom Mix
[02:59] <OdyX> sebas: or "lists"...
[02:59] <OdyX> sebas: no... you have both
[02:59] <OdyX> but dynamic don't work
[02:59] <sebas> Which list do I have to RMB?
[03:00] <MrFaber> ok, cu
[03:00] <OdyX> sebas ?
[03:01] <sebas> Yes?
[03:01] <sebas> Ah, I need to click a free space in the main playlist window.
[03:02] <OdyX> yep..
[03:02] <sebas> Now I have a pretty damn clear idea why to kick the amarok's people
[03:02] <sebas> 's ass when they're here.
[03:02] <OdyX> then try to reload
[03:03] <OdyX> Well.. 1.3 was "just fine"
[03:03] <OdyX> :-(
[03:04] <OdyX> and now, it "just sucks"
[03:08] <sebas> THanks
[03:27] <abattoir> OdyX: Random mix works fine for me.
[03:27] <OdyX> random, maybe...
[03:27] <OdyX> try "dynamic" abattoir
[03:28] <abattoir> isnt Random mix under Dynamic playlist?
[03:28] <OdyX> well... no
[03:29] <abattoir> it is for me... in the Playlist tab
[03:29] <OdyX> Random = You load "a lot of" music and then amaroK travels into it randomly
[03:29] <OdyX> Dynamic = amaroK loads music for you.
[03:29] <OdyX> Random works
[03:29] <OdyX> Dynamic no
[03:30] <abattoir> Dynamic Playlists is the main category... under that i have "Suggested Songs" and "Random Mix"
[03:30] <OdyX> Yep.. I mis-explained...
[03:30] <OdyX> "Random Mix" works
[03:30] <OdyX> "Suggested songs don't"
[03:30] <abattoir> aah, yes...
[03:30] <abattoir> :) 
[03:31] <OdyX> well... "sugggested" is more than "random"
[03:32] <OdyX> abattoir: and we have two "random modes"
[03:32] <OdyX> bizarre
[03:33] <abattoir> two random modes? under Dynamic playlists?
[03:33] <abattoir> beta3 was awesome :D 
[03:33] <OdyX> Yep...
[03:33] <abattoir> i have only one though, Suggested Songs and Random Mix.
[03:34] <OdyX> Well... I'll show you our "second random mode"
[03:34] <OdyX> quit these "dynamic lists", Load some music
[03:34] <abattoir> ok...
[03:34] <OdyX> Menu "mode" - "Random"
[03:35] <abattoir> hmmm... doesnt seem to do anything...
[03:35] <OdyX> Well..
[03:35] <abattoir> do you have scores/ratings on... whichever is set by the user?
[03:35] <OdyX> change tracks
[03:35] <OdyX> :D
[03:36] <abattoir> lol
[03:36] <abattoir> what if suggested songs depends on the ratings/scores that you have set
[03:36] <abattoir> i have disabled them, so maybe none of the songs are eligible... and hence dont get loaded.
[03:37] <marseillai_> dynamic playlist works fine for me with amarok 1.4.0a
[03:37] <OdyX> abattoir: this is what "Suggested song" are _supposed_ to do
[03:37] <OdyX> abattoir: no... I have them...
[03:37] <abattoir> OdyX: oh, ok then, thought that might have been the reason.
[03:37] <OdyX> well... good try.
[03:37] <OdyX> :-(
[03:38] <abattoir> indeed... :( 
[03:38] <jeroenvrp> kmyfirewall is not good preconfigured regarding the paths
[03:38] <jeroenvrp> so not usable out of the box
[03:39] <OdyX> use "guarddog" ;-)
[03:40] <jeroenvrp> OdyX: I've heard kmyfirewall is much more userfriendly
[03:40] <OdyX> Well... maybe...
[03:40] <jeroenvrp> and I have bad experencies with guarddog
[03:40] <OdyX> the problem with guarddog... is that it is "all closed per default
[03:40] <jeroenvrp> I used fiorestarter for a while, but I want to have a KDE-app
[03:40] <OdyX> so it's not easy to configr
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> all firewalls are closed by default
[03:41] <OdyX> ...
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> except the outbound
[03:41] <OdyX> Well.. Windows's ones are closed but ask you for opening
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> I mean incoming
[03:41] <OdyX> with Linux's, you have to "know"
[03:42] <jeroenvrp> OdyX: thats true
[03:42] <jeroenvrp> and that is a good thing
[03:42] <OdyX> well... yes and no..
[03:43] <OdyX> 'cause normal user won't know which "ports" he has to open
[03:45] <OdyX> Well. Have to go
[03:45] <OdyX> See ya guys...
[07:25] <kmon> hi
[07:25] <jpatrick> hello
[07:25] <kmon> today i've upgraded my dpper machine
[07:26] <kmon> and amarok 1.4 is not working
[07:26] <kmon> libkdecore.4: no such file or directory
[07:26] <kmon> any ideas?
[07:27] <jjesse> hmmi just updated my dapper and still having problems were everything locks up :(
[07:29] <marseillai_> kmon: i've got the same problem! it has been solve the second time i launch amarok
[07:30] <kmon> I can't launch it at all!
[07:30] <kmon> everytime I type amarok in the konsole
[07:30] <jjesse> i didn't think an updated amaroK was being included in dapper?
[07:31] <kmon> it gives me the same error
[07:31] <kmon> it's from the kubuntu.org repo
[07:31] <kmon> i.e. Riddell's repo
[07:31] <jjesse> ah
[07:31] <kmon> the thing is that I installed amarok yesterday and everything was fine
[07:32] <kmon> but updating today broke it
[07:32] <kmon> :(
[07:33] <kmon> the amarok sidebar in konqueror doesn't work either
[07:34] <crimsun> kmon: apt-cache policy amarok|grep Candidate
[07:34] <marseillai_> kmon: why you don't re-install amarok from main repo ?
[07:34] <marseillai_> kmon: do you have 1.4.0 ou 1.4.0a version ?
[07:35] <kmon> 0a
[07:35] <kmon> crimsun: no results
[07:35] <crimsun> kmon: err...that's not possible.
[07:36] <kmon> crimsun: it's possible
[07:36] <kmon> hehe
[07:36] <kmon> i'm using locale=es
[07:36] <kmon> so it's candidato ;)
[07:36] <crimsun> ah
[07:37] <kmon> Candidato: 2:1.4.0a-0ubuntu1
[07:37] <crimsun> ah yes, the problematic one.
[07:37] <crimsun> Candidate: 2:1.4.0-0ubuntu1
[07:37] <crimsun> is what I'm currently using
[07:37] <kmon> did you force the package version?
[07:38] <crimsun> no, I removed the repo entry immediately after installing 1.4.0
[07:38] <marseillai_> crimsun: funy because 2:1.4.0 didn't work at all for me! many bugs! but 1.4.0a works fine
[07:38] <crimsun> marseillai_: hmm, interesting.
[07:43] <kmon> ok
[07:43] <kmon> thabnks everyone
[07:43] <jpatrick> de nada
[07:43] <kmon> I'll have a look at this later
[07:43] <kmon> jpatrick: ;)
[07:44] <kmon> jpatrick: did you manage to separate gtk code from beagle?
[07:44] <jpatrick> No
[07:45] <jpatrick> ...unfortunatly
[07:45] <kmon> maybe for edgy
[07:45] <jpatrick> yeah
[07:45] <kmon> I'll upgrade as soon as it boots on my pc ;)
[07:45] <kmon> hehe
[07:46] <jpatrick> too late in FeatureFreeze now to start ripping packages apart
[07:46] <kmon> yup
[07:46] <kmon> there's a few weeks until celebration
[07:46] <jpatrick> I'm going to see if I can get my hands on some beer for that
[07:48] <kmon> hehe
[07:48] <kmon> you're too young
[07:48] <jpatrick> that's the problem
[07:49] <jpatrick> oh well
[07:49] <jpatrick> 15 next week (woohoo)
[07:49] <kmon> in spain you can buy beer in a chineese food shop
[07:49] <jpatrick> ...right..
[07:50] <kmon> even after 10pm when suppossely it's illegal
[07:50] <kmon> this country is becoming too dumb
[07:50] <jpatrick> girls are alright
[07:50] <Tonio_> hey
[07:50] <kmon> hehe
[07:50] <jpatrick> hey Tonio_
[07:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[07:51] <jjesse> hello Tonio_
[07:51] <jpatrick> kmon: but this heat's becoming _unbearable_
[07:51] <jjesse> i think he is part of the mandetory vacation
[07:51] <kmon> I'm considering moving to another country
[07:51] <Tonio_> hi jess
[07:51] <Tonio_> jjesse: 
[07:51] <jjesse> grin hello
[07:52] <jpatrick> I'm off to eat
[07:53] <kmon> bye
[07:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[07:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;)
[07:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about the icon size, it is just one line to remove in konquerorrc file, so why waiting for edgy to make this ?
[07:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will look for improvements to perform on kds this WE (there are still a few things to work on), so I would you be okay if I include this in the cnhangelog too ?
[07:56] <Riddell> because we've in uber deep freeze, that icon size affects more than konqueror, it's possible it breaks something else
[07:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum..... I'm not talking about changing the global font size, but just the konqueror's one
[07:57] <Tonio_> and make it use "default" instead of 64
[07:57] <Tonio_> I'm not talking about the kde global icon size
[07:58] <Tonio_> s/font/icon sorry
[07:58] <Riddell> we should be onto bugfixes only now, not settings tweaking
[07:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay (although there is a bug on this hehe)
[07:58] <Tonio_> let's wait for dapper then
[07:58] <Tonio_> edgy....
[08:19] <kwwii> re
[08:21] <jpatrick> hi kwwii
[08:22] <kwwii> howdy jpatrick
[08:22] <kwwii> how did we end up with so many jonathans in this channel?
[08:24] <kwwii> I am beginning to think it is a conspiracy
[08:24] <kwwii> scary that I named my son jonathan as well :-)
[08:27] <MrFaber> Tonio_: you there?
[08:28] <jpatrick> kwwii: haha
[08:29] <Tonio_> MrFaber: yes ;)
[08:30] <MrFaber> Tonio_: Only a question :)
[08:30] <Tonio_> MrFaber: fire away !
[08:30] <MrFaber> Tonio_: is it possible to add a list of ssid with same configs in knetworkmanager?
[08:30] <Tonio_> MrFaber: I don't think so, since the settings are stored in kwallet manager
[08:30] <MrFaber> all have wpa enterprise encryption
[08:31] <Tonio_> MrFaber: unless you have a tool that allows to edit it manually, but I don't know such a tool
[08:31] <MrFaber> Isn't only the password saved there?
[08:31] <Riddell> jpatrick: did you see kexi-mdb-driver finally got past NEW
[08:31] <jpatrick> Riddell: yep
[08:31] <Tonio_> MrFaber: let me look, it seems it is possible to edit the wallet manually, so you can test
[08:31] <jpatrick> got the mail
[08:32] <MrFaber> Tonio_: many thanks
[08:32] <Tonio_> MrFaber: note it is very "theoric", I'm not sure it'll work, but you can try
[08:33] <MrFaber> Tonio_: btw, it would be great if wpa_supplicant.conf could be imported in knetworkmanager .)
[08:34] <Tonio_> MrFaber: send an email to knetworkmanager upstream ;)
[08:34] <MrFaber> :)
[08:36] <MrFaber> Tonio_: ok, kwallet seems to have one entry for each ssid
[08:37] <MrFaber> Tonio_: thanks anyway :)
[08:37] <Tonio_> MrFaber: yes, so if you add new entries manually, that can do the job
[08:37] <MrFaber> great tool
[08:37] <Tonio_> MrFaber: your servant
[08:37] <MrFaber> :)
[08:38] <MrFaber> cu all
[11:31] <Tm_M> hi kids
[11:32] <Riddell> evening dad
[11:32] <Tm_M> heh, how's going?
[11:35] <Riddell> recompiling koffice 1.5.1, again
[11:36] <Tm_M> sounds friday night
[11:40] <Tm_M> I'm starting as kitchen assistant in local healthcarecentre next week, wohoo
[11:42] <Tm_M> so, I might afford own dsl connection around july, unless I'm moving
[11:42] <kwwii> sounds like fun!
[11:42] <kwwii> hehe
[11:43] <Riddell> I've done that before
[11:43] <kwwii> I worked as a cook and butcher for a long time
[11:43] <Riddell> lots of washing up to be done
[11:43] <kwwii> 12 years
[11:43] <Riddell> and lots of free food afterwards
[11:43] <kwwii> doing the dishes is the easy part, really
[11:43] <Tm_M> will be interesting summer
[11:43] <kwwii> I mean, there is little stress involved
[11:44] <kwwii> Riddell: is there still time to change a few things?
[11:45] <Tm_M> dishes is fun
[11:45] <kwwii> :-)
[11:45] <kwwii> have a kid and then you will realize that they are an inevitable part of life
[11:46] <Riddell> kwwii: what sort of things?
[11:46] <Tm_M> I love kids also =)
[11:47] <kwwii> Riddell: well, I thought about touching up the kdm screen again (the red warning text overlays the blue line I put in the pic)
[11:47] <kwwii> should have done it last night, but today I typed my password wrong for the first time
[11:47] <kwwii> and noticed the problem
[11:48] <Riddell> that should be fine
[11:48] <Riddell> and if you're bored you can move the arrow button next to the text fields :)
[11:49] <kwwii> Riddell: that is really nasty if I remeber correctly
[11:49] <Riddell> I know, that's why I've been putting it off
[11:49] <kwwii> the length of the entry fields is unknown
[11:49] <kwwii> so at suse we just kinda faked it by putting it far enough away not to cause a problem
[11:50] <kwwii> not sure that our design would allow for that
[11:50] <kwwii> I will look into the xml
[11:50] <kwwii> I asssume this uses a gdm like xml file?
[11:51] <Tm_M> ok, trying to sleep again, good night and have fun :) ->
[11:51] <kwwii> night Tm_M
[11:52] <kwwii> foudn it
[11:52] <kwwii> I know that I tend to ask stupid questions
[11:52] <kwwii> but hey, I am trying to be an artist
[11:53] <kwwii> Riddell: do you know if kdm can render an svg?
[11:53] <kwwii> it would be better to use the svg bg instead of the png one
[11:53] <kwwii> it would scale naturally
[11:55] <kwwii> ok...here is a non-stupid question: how can I install the funtionality to open another session in my current session in kde?
[11:55] <kwwii> I guess I need an xnest xserver to start with
[11:56] <kwwii> but I do not see one in apt-get
[11:58] <Riddell> kwwii: it can
[11:58] <Riddell> kwwii: although aften you have to play around to get an SVG is can render correctly
[11:58] <Riddell> kwwii: k-menu -> Session
[11:59] <Riddell> kwwii: with the background, ksplash can only use the png so it's best to keep it png to match that
[12:00] <kwwii> Riddell: well, the svg bg I made is only one box with a gradient
[12:01] <kwwii> I will test it
[12:02] <kwwii> if it works on ppc, it'll work anywhere