[12:04] <Burgwork> this is, of course, learned from learned from painful experience
[12:04] <robotgeek> lolz
[12:04] <robotgeek> you can spam sabdfl though :)
[12:04] <LaserJock> robotgeek: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/lpbugs.py is one
[12:05] <LaserJock> robotgeek: do you have bzr?
[12:05] <mdke> Burgwork: yeah, that's what I'm doing. I'm concerned that I should test it on some addresses with strange characters though too
[12:06] <robotgeek> mdke: python should handle the unicode well
[12:06] <robotgeek> LaserJock: nope
[12:07] <robotgeek> LaserJock: nice, they have used the same sendmail thing
[12:08] <mdke> robotgeek: ok, not working so far
[12:09] <mdke> what is smtp_username?
[12:10] <LaserJock> robotgeek: yeah, that's why I mentioned it
[12:10] <mdke> i don't think my isp requires me to give any details when sending mail through their smtp
[12:12] <Burgwork> mdke, you should probably throttle it, however
[12:12] <mdke> Burgwork: throttle what?
[12:14] <Burgwork> the spamming
[12:14] <Burgwork> if you send too much, they might tag us as a spammer and block you
[12:14] <mdke> i dunno how it works
[12:18] <robotgeek> mdke: okay, moment
[12:20] <robotgeek> mdke: gotta run now, bbl
[12:20] <mdke> robotgeek: ok, I'm going to go to sleep then. Thanks for your help dude
[12:24] <mdke> ah, i might see if elmo is around, he might know
[01:13] <mdke> robotgeek: I just committed some changes for the java stuff. would you be able to do the same today for the kubuntu one? It's getting quite late for the translators (about another day or two)
[01:14] <mdke> -> bed
[02:28] <jsgotangco> good morning
[02:50] <mdke> morning jsgotangco 
[02:51] <mdke> Burgwork: I've made some progress on the wiki theme. It's pretty crowded though, we might wanna think about a more significant revamp of the theme, make it a bit simpler. Maybe that is something to do later though. http://help.ubuntu.com/wiki
[02:53] <mdke> -> bed, again
[02:54] <jsgotangco> help has its own wiki?
[02:58] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterWikiDocs
[02:59] <jsgotangco> yeah i just read that
[03:15] <robotgeek> mdke: getting to it right away
[03:20] <robotgeek>  mdke: you have it wrong, http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/sun-java5-bin has both x86/amd64 packages
[03:21] <LaserJock> robotgeek: but I think the ambd64 package is empty
[03:22] <robotgeek> really?
[03:23] <robotgeek> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/s/sun-java5/sun-java5-bin_1.5.0-06-1_amd64.deb pulls it up
[03:23] <LaserJock> robotgeek: do dpkg -c on that .deb
[03:24] <robotgeek> 19Mb download, moment
[03:25] <robotgeek> it shows me lots of stuff
[03:25] <LaserJock> woah, wait a sec. I think only the firefox plugin is  missing, not the whole java
[03:25] <LaserJock> I wasn't looking closely at what package you were looking at
[03:26] <robotgeek> yeah, firefox plugin is absent. (sucks for people)
[03:26] <robotgeek> i won't have that issue on kde. konq will be able to handle it just infe
[03:26] <robotgeek> fine
[03:26] <LaserJock> really?
[03:27] <robotgeek> yeah, uses /usr/bin/java directly
[03:27] <LaserJock> cool
[03:28] <LaserJock> raphink got me trying KDE again
[03:28] <robotgeek> how did you like it?
[03:28] <robotgeek> small things like basket keep me hooked :)
[03:29] <LaserJock> it's nice, the apps are really great, but I need to work on the look a little bit, Gnome has a really nice, professional look to it
[03:29] <LaserJock> I've always said, I love the look-n-feel of Gnome and the apps of KDE
[03:29] <robotgeek> :)
[03:30] <robotgeek> i have been wanting to try out the gnome dapper, havent really got around to doing that
[03:30] <LaserJock> its really looking nice
[03:31] <LaserJock> I scrounged up a new box and put ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, and xubuntu-desktop on it so I can have a look
[03:31] <LaserJock> they are all really looking fantastic to me
[03:32] <robotgeek> once i get my laptop back from my friend, i am going to put xubuntu on it. 
[03:33] <LaserJock> the xubuntu team has done a good job with it, I prefer Gnome and KDE still though
[03:33] <robotgeek> it's a 500mhz laptop, so xubuntu will run very nicely on there
[03:34] <robotgeek> or i might put os x on it and give it to my sister, to use as a desktop :)
[03:35] <LaserJock> one thing that is a problem right now for me is that the KDE menu is know cluttered up with gnome and xfce items
[03:36] <robotgeek> you can use my nice script to get rid of other desktop packages :)
[03:37] <robotgeek> http://robotgeek.org/wiki/ShellScripts/CleanPackage 
[03:38] <jsgotangco> bah
[03:38] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: nice wallaper you had for edubuntu
[03:38] <robotgeek> maybe kubuntu could have used that in blue
[03:38] <robotgeek> i also like the look of the edubuntu wiki. when compared to the ubuntu wiki, it looks so much better (and uncluttered)
[03:39] <robotgeek> website, rather
[03:39] <LaserJock> robotgeek: hehe, no I just want to get rid of them in the KDE menu ;-)
[03:39] <robotgeek> http://www.edubuntu.org/ vs http://www.ubuntu.com
[03:39] <jsgotangco> there is a problem with the edubuntu wallpaper
[03:39] <robotgeek> LaserJock: someone had a script to do that in the forums
[03:43] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: new zeland was forgotten :)
[03:44] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: oo
[03:44] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I think that is sort of funny
[03:46] <jsgotangco> we can file it as a bug heh
[03:48] <LaserJock> yes, we should
[03:48] <jsgotangco> then we could also flood pete's mailbox with rants saying there are not enough nationalities in the young wallpaper heh
[03:56] <robotgeek> LaserJock: is there anyway to verify if the deb installs to /usr/bin/java without installting it?
[03:56] <LaserJock> dpkg -c gives the list of what files are going to be installed
[03:57] <LaserJock> so dpkg -c | grep /usr/bin/java would probably be useful
[03:57] <robotgeek> but i think they use the update alternatives stuff
[03:58] <LaserJock> oh, you want to see what the postinst scripts are?
[03:59] <LaserJock> dpkg -x . would unpack the .deb into your current directory
[03:59] <LaserJock>  and then you can look at var/lib/dpkg/info I think
[04:00] <robotgeek> screw it, too many string changes. 
[04:47] <robotgeek> mdke: fixed, and committed
[04:55] <LaserJock> hi Burgundavia 
[04:58] <Burgundavia> salut LaserJock 
[06:24] <Madpilot> why is there spam getting thru to the docteam ML?
[06:25] <LaserJock> not sure, I bet jsgotangco is letting it in for fun ;-)
[06:26] <Madpilot> heh
[06:27] <Madpilot> it's odd spam - the two digest ones w/ no additional content
[06:27] <Burgundavia> one of them is an subscribe
[06:28] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, how did work at the flying club go?
[06:28] <Madpilot> good. tiring. Up at 0600, at work by 0730, then 8+hrs of trying keep up ;)
[06:29] <Madpilot> I'd forgotten what the first day at a new job is like
[06:29] <Burgundavia> given it is only your 2nd job in your life...
[06:30] <LaserJock> wow, 2 more than me ;-)
[06:30] <Madpilot> 3rd, counting the casual stuff I did in high school, but yes
[06:30] <LaserJock> I some ranch jobs growing up, but it seems like am really a career student :/
[06:30] <LaserJock> *had some
[06:32] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, is that counting the Katimavictim stuff as one job or 3+?
[06:32] <Burgundavia> 3
[06:32] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I've been in college for 8 years 
[06:34] <Madpilot> very strange - someone is running around the wiki replacing every instances of "apt-get install" they can find with "aptitude install"...
[06:34] <LaserJock> what?!
[06:35] <Burgundavia> I saw that
[06:35] <Burgundavia> bloody wiki
[06:35] <Madpilot> look thru RecentChanges and see what "KristianHermansen" has been up to
[06:35] <Burgundavia> mediawiki has a "block and revert every change button"
[06:36] <Madpilot> "Block User X and revert every change they've ever made"?
[06:36] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:36] <Burgundavia> most useful for vandal
[06:36] <Burgundavia> s
[06:36] <Madpilot> interesting
[06:37] <Madpilot> this doesn't qualify as vandalism, I'd say. Just a waste of time.
[06:38] <Burgundavia> I would qualify it as vandalism
[06:39] <Burgundavia> http://isthis4real.com/orbit.xml
[06:41] <Madpilot> cool. Despite the Firefox propaganda on the page, it appears to work perfectly in Opera 9beta. ;)
[06:45] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, read the blurb on that orbit.xml page - do you get a whiff of creationism?
[06:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:46] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[06:46] <Madpilot> glad it wasn't just me. Cool app, but a very simplistic understanding of actual orbital forces, I think.
[06:47] <LaserJock> I got a pretty ok orbit out of angle=10 and force=5
[06:47] <LaserJock> but it is quite a bit farther out than the dotted line
[06:48] <Madpilot> you're supposed to match your orbit up to the red line
[06:48] <Madpilot> even granted problems in scale, that red line looks way, way to close to the planet to actually be Luna's orbit
[06:48] <LaserJock> yeah, but I was playing God and wanted a bit farther out orbit
[06:49] <Burgundavia> the instructions do strike me as "I need to prove a point"
[06:49] <Madpilot> "I'm trying desprately hard to prove a point", more like. (spelling, I know, but I'm tired...)
[06:53] <Madpilot> found our wiki vandal/overzelous's editor's LP page: https://launchpad.net/people/kristian-hermansen - who wants to write him a note asking what the heck he's doing?
[09:22] <mdke> robotgeek: yeah it has the amd64 packages, but not the plugin
[10:35] <roysheng> hi can someone help please? I would like to know the template to translate the index page that show when start the firefox up, I have a look in ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-artwork it is not there
[02:38] <kgoetz> i got an error updating scroll keeper. is this known? (i just asked in -bugs but got no reply)
[02:39] <kgoetz> it's against the translation for zh_TW
[02:44] <dsas> kgoetz: #45539
[02:45] <kgoetz> sweet. thanks dsas. beat me there
[04:45] <jjesse> mdke: feel free to upload the release notes for kubunut to rossetta for translation
[07:58] <mdke> jjesse: ah, great
[08:02] <jjesse> that should be the last kubuntu doc that needs upload correct?
[08:02] <mdke> yes
[08:05] <jjesse> how do i check the status of translation?
[08:05] <mdke> jjesse: go to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kubuntu-docs/+translations
[08:06] <jjesse> mdke: thanks :)
[08:31] <mdke> jjesse: got IE on you?
[08:31] <jjesse> mdke: yes i do
[08:31] <mdke> jjesse: can you check http://help.ubuntu.com/wiki and see if anything is hideously out of place?
[08:32] <mdke> maybe even a screenshot, if you can manage it
[08:32] <mdke> I bet the Login thing is gonna be wrong
[08:34] <jjesse> email is mdke@ubuntu.com?
[08:34] <jjesse> for the screen shot
[08:34] <mdke> yes please
[08:34] <LaserJock> mdke: can the heading be something other than FrontPage?
[08:35] <mdke> yes, certainly
[08:36] <jjesse> email sent
[08:36] <mdke> jjesse: thanks. Those are some hideous colours
[08:37] <jjesse> yeah, might be due to the fact that i'm using IE through a terminal service connection
[08:37] <mdke> ah. well aside from that, it looks ok
[08:39] <jjesse> will it use our launchpad username and password?
[08:40] <mdke> yes
[11:00] <mdke> Burgwork: you were going to give comments on the wiki theme?
[11:01] <Burgwork> mdke, sure, just a sec
[11:01] <Burgwork> hmm, can we just search text by deafult and change th button name to "search"?
[11:02] <mdke> maybe
[11:02] <mdke> they did it on the website, except for the "text by default" part, so I'm sure it's possible
[11:03] <mdke> add that to the todo page
[11:03] <Burgwork> can we hide the drop down menu for non-logged in users?
[11:03] <Burgwork> I like the page history part, that is goof
[11:03] <Burgwork> good, even
[11:04] <mdke> add that idea too, no idea if it's possible, but i like it
[11:04] <Burgwork> on better wiki docs?
[11:04] <mdke> oh
[11:04] <mdke> i mean at http://new-help.ubuntu.com/WikiToDo
[11:04] <mdke> i'm using help.ubuntu.com/wiki to play around with the theme
[11:05] <mdke> community/WikiToDo
[11:07] <Burgwork> is new-help and help the same wiki?
[11:08] <mdke> no
[11:08] <Burgwork> hmm, nope
[11:08] <Burgwork> so new-help is going to replace help?
[11:08] <mdke> that's right
[11:09] <Burgwork> http://help.ubuntu.com/wiki/RecentChanges <-- I get Login per modificare, not login to edit on this page
[11:09] <mdke> oh, i must have copied something off the italian theme
[11:09] <mdke> how bizarre
[11:10] <Burgwork> all in all, very nice work
[11:10] <Burgwork> this is a good time
[11:10] <mdke> hang on, wtf
[11:10] <mdke> "Login per modificare" appears on RecentChanges, and not on the frontpage
[11:10] <mdke> something odd is going on
[11:13] <mdke> Burgwork: do you get it on FrontPage too?
[11:15] <Burgwork> nope
[11:15] <Burgwork> you know what I think it is?
[11:15] <Burgwork> I think the string "Immutable page" got replaced by the Italian
[11:16] <mdke> yeah, that was (sort of) intentional
[11:16] <mdke> except I forgot to use English
[11:53] <robotgeek> mdke: nice work on the 5.10 vs 6.06 tabs :)
[11:54] <Burgwork> mdke, can you setup esa for building pots?
[11:55] <mdke> sure
[11:55] <Burgwork> sweet, thanks
[11:55] <Burgwork> we are not ready for upload to rosetta quite yet
[11:55] <robotgeek> mdke: i was wondering about oyur script not working yesterday
[11:56] <LaserJock> Burgwork: sure, get mdke to do all the dirty work ;-)
[11:56] <mdke> robotgeek: right
[11:56] <mdke> i'm slightly concerned about getting blacklisted too
[11:57] <mdke> i'd like to speak to elmo or someone with some flair email skills
[11:57] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I could figure out how to do it, but mdke is faster :0
[11:57] <LaserJock> easy excuse :-) I'd do it too
[12:00] <mdke> so are you branching to doc for dapper?
[12:00] <LaserJock> mdke: so you are emailing each wiki author to tell them your changing the license?
[12:00] <LaserJock> or rather doing a license for the first time :-)
[12:01] <mdke> yeah
[12:01] <LaserJock> how many authors?
[12:02] <mdke> 4500
[12:03] <robotgeek> mdke: yeah, someone with better email skills than me would be useful