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LaserJockhmm, kinda quite, everybody must be taking Friday off ;-)12:58
ajmitchnah01:01
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LaserJockare you sure?01:02
ajmitchnope01:02
ajmitchgot to sleep after 6AM01:02
ajmitch11AM now ;)01:02
LaserJockyikes01:02
LaserJocknot cool01:02
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bddebianHeya gang03:02
ajmitchhi03:05
TheMusoHey bddebian.03:05
bddebianHello TheMuso03:06
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bddebianNight folks06:04
tritiumGood nigth, bddebian06:04
tritiumnight even06:04
bddebian:-)06:05
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LaserJockhi raphink and tritium06:05
tritiumHi LaserJock06:05
raphinkhi LaserJock06:05
LaserJocktritium: so why can you only use RHEL?06:06
tritiumLaserJock: it's just policy, based on our computer security group06:06
tritiumThere is no such thing as choice06:07
crimsunyeah, I know that all too well given our closeness in lines of policy06:08
crimsunvery soon my Ubuntu time will be severely curtailed by no will of my own  :(06:08
tritiumcrimsun: :(06:09
LaserJockcrimsun: at the uni?06:09
crimsunLaserJock: project work involving federal organisation06:10
tritiumI think most .govs are RH-based06:11
crimsunyeah06:11
crimsunmost use RHEL or RHAS from what I've gleaned06:12
tritiumyep06:12
LaserJockweird, I'd expect it would be Windows only or you would have a choice06:12
tritiumLaserJock: they're too concerned about security to allow choice, or cell phones, or ipods, and on and on...06:13
LaserJocktritium: well, I can understand at your place of work ;-)06:13
LaserJockbut maybe crimsun is working for some super duper, top secret, agency too06:14
crimsuntritium: right, same boat06:14
crimsunno recording devices period, papers are confiscated, etc., etc.06:14
LaserJockyeah, that's what sort of puts me off from gov labs. It seems like a big hassle, even if it was necessary.06:15
crimsunit wasn't too bad at argonne when I was there in 200106:16
crimsungranted that was pre-9/1106:17
tritiumIt gets old, that's for sure06:18
LaserJockyeah, I visited Sandia in Livermore, CA in about 2002-2003. it was fairly tight and it was tighter if you crossed the street to LLNL06:19
tritiumyup06:20
LaserJockbut I talked to a guy there a couple weeks ago and he said that it has gotten back to about the pre-9/11 hassle06:20
LaserJockbut that is at the DOE Combustion Research Facility, nothing to top secret about it :-)06:20
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terrencewill dapper feature an easily enableable xgl?06:41
terrencesomething like a... checkbox?06:41
crimsunno.06:41
crimsunfeel free to suggest it in #easyubuntu, though06:41
terrencecrimsun: i guess this is bad for ubuntu, as suse has it.06:41
crimsunterrence: well that's great for suse :-)06:42
terrencecrimsun: but is it still enough time for me to suggest that?06:42
crimsunterrence: in #easyubuntu, sure06:42
terrencecrimsun: as for and non-easyubuntu'ed dapper, is there much more to do than simply apt-get *xgl*?06:43
crimsunyes, a couple more steps iirc06:44
crimsun#ubuntu-xgl is probably more useful06:44
terrencecrimsun: oh, right, thanks06:44
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TheMusoc/c09:05
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MrFaberhi all09:58
MrFaberWho is the Motu of the day? :)09:58
MrFaberloop-aes is still waiting for a fix :)09:59
Hobbseehi MrFaber09:59
MrFaberhi Hobbsee09:59
Hobbseeis there a patch for it?09:59
MrFaberHobbsee: theoretically09:59
MrFaberHobbsee: new debian version works fine09:59
MrFaberold debian version too :)09:59
MrFaber3.1c works fine09:59
Hobbsee*looks for appropriate wiki page*10:00
Hobbseeis it in main, or universe?10:00
MrFaberhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/loop-aes-source/+bug/3023010:00
UbugtuMalone bug 30230 in loop-aes-source "loop-aes module can't be created in Dapper Drake" [Normal,Confirmed] 10:00
MrFaberuniverse10:00
HobbseeMrFaber: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources#freezes10:01
MrFaberI know maybe only a fix could be extracted but I have no clue.10:02
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MrFaber:)10:03
MrFaberI think that it is not a big deal to update it but the procedure seems very complicated.10:04
MrFaberBut at least it is confirmed10:04
MrFaberthis is the complicated one "attach diffstat, changelog and build-/install-log (as files)"10:05
Hobbseeif you're requesting a sync, you dont need that.   you just need to check that the debian version on ubuntu doesnt need any changes, and that the patches to the ubuntu version (if any) arent needed10:06
Hobbseei think.10:06
MrFaberHobbsee: it doesn't need any patches afaik10:06
MrFaberat least it works for me10:06
MrFaberand loop-aes hasn't much reverse dependencies afaik10:06
MrFaberAnd afaik loop-aes-utils haven't to be updated but I am no expert10:07
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Hobbsee bug 2862810:14
UbugtuMalone bug 28628 in gnome-phone-manager "Custom Widget Failed" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2862810:14
MrFaberbbl10:15
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__Halo__Hi All,  I am new here11:36
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Toadstoolhey all11:49
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neutrinomassUm.. I just received a mail from a DD with regard to a .desktop file . He said that if I want a .desktop file to be generated, I should install the 'menu' package ...12:17
kgoetzneutrinomass: hm?12:21
neutrinomasskgoetz: Apparently the menu package is capable of creating .desktops from debian menus ... I'm looking into this now ...12:22
kgoetznot that i knew of, but o...k.. then :|12:23
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bibehi all. What's the smartest way to get the ubuntu kernel patches that introduced r1000, ieee80211 (v.1.1.13) and ipw3945 into the Ubuntu stock kernel?03:36
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kgoetzbibe probably files a bug report03:48
kgoetzhm.03:48
kgoetzhey bddebian03:48
bddebianHeya gang03:50
bddebianHi kgoetz03:50
kgoetz:) hows it goin03:52
bddebianOK, thanks.  You?03:52
kgoetzincreadably average actualy. one of those days :/03:52
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bddebiankgoetz: Heh, I know that feeling :-)03:53
kgoetzbugger :)03:55
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LaserJockack, my grub foo seems to have disappered after not using Gentoo for a while :/06:57
LaserJockI'm not sure how to get grub to default to XP06:59
crimsunchange the default # in /boot/grub/menu.lst07:01
crimsunfor instance, in mine, it'd be "default 5"07:02
crimsun(you should have a comment in /boot/grub/menu.lst immediately preceding the default parameter nonetheless...)07:03
LaserJockyeah, but if the Ubuntu items are first then added or removing the kernels will change the number07:03
LaserJockso I need to put the Windows item first07:03
LaserJockcan I just put it before the automagic Ubuntu section?07:03
LaserJockI'll try that and see if it works07:04
crimsunyes, you can.07:05
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dAndyanyone have advice for how to test my preseeding? When I do it on the install, I cant see what is happening, a way to do it on the command line in a running system would be nifty07:51
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bddebianWe don't need a UVF exception for a bugfix release update do we?08:30
LaserJockif it is new upstream, yes we do08:31
bddebian??08:31
LaserJockyou need a UVFe for any new upstream release08:31
bddebian mysql-navigator 1.4.2-6 to 1.4.2-708:31
bddebianYou are on crack :-)08:32
LaserJockupstream upstream08:32
LaserJocknew Debian version doesn't fall under UVF08:33
bddebianBah :-)08:33
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crimsunAmaranth: (delayed) pong08:42
Amaranthcrimsun: hehe08:42
Amaranthwas hoping you could help me with a sound problem :)08:42
crimsunstill need assistance? I have a few minutes (~10) before my next meeting08:42
AmaranthI've got some Intel ICH7 HD Audio thing, it gets much louder in Windows08:43
Amaranthand people are saying they have "Front" and such for volume control, I only have Master and PCM08:43
crimsunok. 1) Are you running -23-? 2) What's the output from ``tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''?08:45
Amaranthyeah, -2308:45
AmaranthMixers:08:45
Amaranth0: Generic 14f1 ID 504708:45
crimsunholy mother of Very Strange Fruit.08:46
Amaranthhaha08:46
crimsunok. Pastebin ``lspci -nv'', please.08:46
Amaranth0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)08:46
Amaranthok08:46
Amaranthhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/PmZRbA75.html08:47
crimsunok. Sec.08:48
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crimsunis this an HP laptop?08:48
Amaranthyep08:48
AmaranthHP Pavilion dv8000t08:49
crimsunwhich model?08:49
jpatrick^08:49
Amaranthlatest and greatest, i knew i'd be in trouble :P08:49
crimsunsheesh, well that leaves things wide open.08:50
Amaranthwasn't as bad as i thought though, this is actually the only problem i've having with it08:50
Amaranthyeah, no one seems to have any info about this08:50
=== crimsun thinks. That probably means an AD codec given the stepping of the subdevice.
Amaranthsupposedly fedora core 5 has better support for it though08:51
crimsunI'm fairly certain that's an unidentified AD codec08:52
Amaranthyeah08:52
Amaranthto be honest i'm surprised i have sound at all08:52
crimsuntry unloading snd_hda_codec and then passing model=basic to modprobe08:53
crimsun(``sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_codec && sudo modprobe snd_hda_codec model=basic'')08:53
Amaranthsays it's in use08:54
Amaranthi guess i should logout and drop to a tty for that08:54
crimsunyeah, you'll have to kill whatever's got a handle open. ``lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*''08:54
crimsunor drop to a console, right08:55
Amarantharg, wtf08:55
Amaranthdropping to console, killing things in that list didn't help08:55
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Amaranthcrimsun: nothing i do lets me remove it09:02
Amaranthi could get into a tty thanks to nvidia, rebooting with the nv driver, nothing works09:03
crimsunAmaranth: and there's no relevant output from ``lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*''?09:03
Amaranthcan i add something to /etc/modules to add that option?09:03
Amaranthno09:03
crimsuninteresting.09:03
crimsunerr09:03
crimsunwtf@me09:03
crimsun(``sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel model=basic'')09:04
Amarantheven with gdm not running at all it won't remove09:04
Amaranthheh09:04
Amaranththat did something09:04
crimsunsorry, I'm so used to typing "codec" today.09:04
Amaranthand i got a notification popup09:04
crimsunThe driver is actually snd-hda-intel; snd-hda-codec is a prereq09:04
crimsunok, now check ``amixer'' output.09:05
crimsunIt should be different from your previous09:05
Amaranthstill just master, pcm09:05
crimsunok. Does adjusting them make any difference wrt the relative attenuation?09:06
crimsun(btw, the HDA codecs are fairly inconsistent. Some use 'Front'; some use 'PCM'; some use 'Headphone')09:07
Amaranthit turns up and down, if that's what you mean09:07
Amaranthbut it doesn't seem any louder09:07
Amaranthyeah, still quieter than windows09:08
Amaranthi have the perfect test song :P09:08
crimsunok. Unload it, and try model=hp09:08
crimsun(given your subvendor, model=hp /should/ be the default)09:08
Amaranthhrm09:09
Amaranththat tool awhile09:09
Amaranthand brought the sound back turned down09:09
crimsunsame mixer elements, and same attenuation?09:10
Amaranthyeah09:10
Amaranthand no sound09:10
Amaranthi'm not getting any sound now :P09:10
crimsunnone at all?09:11
Amaranthnope09:11
crimsunwhat's the output from ``amixer''?09:11
Amarantheverything is 100%09:11
crimsunyow, maybe you /do/ need basic.09:11
Amaranthhrm09:11
Amaranthmakes it hard to watch a movie :P09:12
Amaranthwhat other models are there?09:12
crimsunthinkpad09:12
Amaranthis there a list somewhere i can run through?09:12
crimsunyeah, let me populate a list for you09:12
Amaranthany possible options for anything would be nice, i'll poke at them all :P09:13
Amaranththinkpad is no sound either09:13
crimsunI'm not terribly optimistic about 5stack, thinkpad, laptop, or laptop-eapd, but try them.09:14
crimsun(out of that list, probably the last has the highest probability of Doing Something)09:18
Amaranthyeah09:19
Amaranthlaptop-eapd is the only one that gives me sound09:19
crimsunarauggh.09:19
Amaranthdoesn't really sound louder09:19
crimsunit will have to be fixed upstream, then09:19
Amaranthanyway to say "this one goes to 11"? ;)09:20
crimsun(if in fact it's not a hardware errata that can't be worked around in firmware, etc.)09:20
crimsunnot without hacking the source09:20
Amaranthsounds tempting :)09:21
Amaranthmaybe it's fixed in a newer upstream release09:22
Amaranthor does -23 have the latest stuff?09:22
crimsunfor hda? I backported just about everything from 1.0.1109:23
crimsunrealtek is literally everything from 1.0.1109:23
crimsunthe other codecs lack a few sub{vendor,device} ids09:23
crimsunif you're adventurous, pull from alsa-driver and alsa-kernel hg09:24
Amaranthhg?09:25
crimsunmercurial is the vcs upstream uses now09:26
Amarantharg09:26
Amaranthyet another weird source control system09:26
crimsunthere are instructions following the Download link from ALSA's home page.09:27
crimsunyeah, but it uses Python :-)09:27
crimsunok, I really need to run, already late for a[n option, granted]  meeting09:28
Amaranththanks09:31
Amaranthbye09:31
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Amaranthcrimsun: latest from hg is the same :/09:53
Amaranthoh well09:53
Amaranthgets loud enough with headphone09:53
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LaserJockhmm, I didn't think the MOTU had the day off ;-)11:50

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