[12:58] <LaserJock> hmm, kinda quite, everybody must be taking Friday off ;-)
[01:01] <ajmitch> nah
[01:02] <LaserJock> are you sure?
[01:02] <ajmitch> nope
[01:02] <ajmitch> got to sleep after 6AM
[01:02] <ajmitch> 11AM now ;)
[01:02] <LaserJock> yikes
[01:02] <LaserJock> not cool
[03:02] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:05] <ajmitch> hi
[03:05] <TheMuso> Hey bddebian.
[03:06] <bddebian> Hello TheMuso
[06:04] <bddebian> Night folks
[06:04] <tritium> Good nigth, bddebian
[06:04] <tritium> night even
[06:05] <bddebian> :-)
[06:05] <LaserJock> hi raphink and tritium
[06:05] <tritium> Hi LaserJock
[06:05] <raphink> hi LaserJock
[06:06] <LaserJock> tritium: so why can you only use RHEL?
[06:06] <tritium> LaserJock: it's just policy, based on our computer security group
[06:07] <tritium> There is no such thing as choice
[06:08] <crimsun> yeah, I know that all too well given our closeness in lines of policy
[06:08] <crimsun> very soon my Ubuntu time will be severely curtailed by no will of my own  :(
[06:09] <tritium> crimsun: :(
[06:09] <LaserJock> crimsun: at the uni?
[06:10] <crimsun> LaserJock: project work involving federal organisation
[06:11] <tritium> I think most .govs are RH-based
[06:11] <crimsun> yeah
[06:12] <crimsun> most use RHEL or RHAS from what I've gleaned
[06:12] <tritium> yep
[06:12] <LaserJock> weird, I'd expect it would be Windows only or you would have a choice
[06:13] <tritium> LaserJock: they're too concerned about security to allow choice, or cell phones, or ipods, and on and on...
[06:13] <LaserJock> tritium: well, I can understand at your place of work ;-)
[06:14] <LaserJock> but maybe crimsun is working for some super duper, top secret, agency too
[06:14] <crimsun> tritium: right, same boat
[06:14] <crimsun> no recording devices period, papers are confiscated, etc., etc.
[06:15] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what sort of puts me off from gov labs. It seems like a big hassle, even if it was necessary.
[06:16] <crimsun> it wasn't too bad at argonne when I was there in 2001
[06:17] <crimsun> granted that was pre-9/11
[06:18] <tritium> It gets old, that's for sure
[06:19] <LaserJock> yeah, I visited Sandia in Livermore, CA in about 2002-2003. it was fairly tight and it was tighter if you crossed the street to LLNL
[06:20] <tritium> yup
[06:20] <LaserJock> but I talked to a guy there a couple weeks ago and he said that it has gotten back to about the pre-9/11 hassle
[06:20] <LaserJock> but that is at the DOE Combustion Research Facility, nothing to top secret about it :-)
[06:41] <terrence> will dapper feature an easily enableable xgl?
[06:41] <terrence> something like a... checkbox?
[06:41] <crimsun> no.
[06:41] <crimsun> feel free to suggest it in #easyubuntu, though
[06:41] <terrence> crimsun: i guess this is bad for ubuntu, as suse has it.
[06:42] <crimsun> terrence: well that's great for suse :-)
[06:42] <terrence> crimsun: but is it still enough time for me to suggest that?
[06:42] <crimsun> terrence: in #easyubuntu, sure
[06:43] <terrence> crimsun: as for and non-easyubuntu'ed dapper, is there much more to do than simply apt-get *xgl*?
[06:44] <crimsun> yes, a couple more steps iirc
[06:44] <crimsun> #ubuntu-xgl is probably more useful
[06:44] <terrence> crimsun: oh, right, thanks
[09:05] <TheMuso> c/c
[09:58] <MrFaber> hi all
[09:58] <MrFaber> Who is the Motu of the day? :)
[09:59] <MrFaber> loop-aes is still waiting for a fix :)
[09:59] <Hobbsee> hi MrFaber
[09:59] <MrFaber> hi Hobbsee
[09:59] <Hobbsee> is there a patch for it?
[09:59] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: theoretically
[09:59] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: new debian version works fine
[09:59] <MrFaber> old debian version too :)
[09:59] <MrFaber> 3.1c works fine
[10:00] <Hobbsee> *looks for appropriate wiki page*
[10:00] <Hobbsee> is it in main, or universe?
[10:00] <MrFaber> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/loop-aes-source/+bug/30230
[10:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30230 in loop-aes-source "loop-aes module can't be created in Dapper Drake" [Normal,Confirmed] 
[10:00] <MrFaber> universe
[10:01] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources#freezes
[10:02] <MrFaber> I know maybe only a fix could be extracted but I have no clue.
[10:03] <MrFaber> :)
[10:04] <MrFaber> I think that it is not a big deal to update it but the procedure seems very complicated.
[10:04] <MrFaber> But at least it is confirmed
[10:05] <MrFaber> this is the complicated one "attach diffstat, changelog and build-/install-log (as files)"
[10:06] <Hobbsee> if you're requesting a sync, you dont need that.   you just need to check that the debian version on ubuntu doesnt need any changes, and that the patches to the ubuntu version (if any) arent needed
[10:06] <Hobbsee> i think.
[10:06] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: it doesn't need any patches afaik
[10:06] <MrFaber> at least it works for me
[10:06] <MrFaber> and loop-aes hasn't much reverse dependencies afaik
[10:07] <MrFaber> And afaik loop-aes-utils haven't to be updated but I am no expert
[10:14] <Hobbsee>  bug 28628
[10:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28628 in gnome-phone-manager "Custom Widget Failed" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28628
[10:15] <MrFaber> bbl
[11:36] <__Halo__> Hi All,  I am new here
[11:49] <Toadstool> hey all
[12:17] <neutrinomass> Um.. I just received a mail from a DD with regard to a .desktop file . He said that if I want a .desktop file to be generated, I should install the 'menu' package ...
[12:21] <kgoetz> neutrinomass: hm?
[12:22] <neutrinomass> kgoetz: Apparently the menu package is capable of creating .desktops from debian menus ... I'm looking into this now ...
[12:23] <kgoetz> not that i knew of, but o...k.. then :|
[03:36] <bibe> hi all. What's the smartest way to get the ubuntu kernel patches that introduced r1000, ieee80211 (v.1.1.13) and ipw3945 into the Ubuntu stock kernel?
[03:48] <kgoetz> bibe probably files a bug report
[03:48] <kgoetz> hm.
[03:48] <kgoetz> hey bddebian
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:50] <bddebian> Hi kgoetz
[03:52] <kgoetz> :) hows it goin
[03:52] <bddebian> OK, thanks.  You?
[03:52] <kgoetz> increadably average actualy. one of those days :/
[03:53] <bddebian> kgoetz: Heh, I know that feeling :-)
[03:55] <kgoetz> bugger :)
[06:57] <LaserJock> ack, my grub foo seems to have disappered after not using Gentoo for a while :/
[06:59] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how to get grub to default to XP
[07:01] <crimsun> change the default # in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:02] <crimsun> for instance, in mine, it'd be "default 5"
[07:03] <crimsun> (you should have a comment in /boot/grub/menu.lst immediately preceding the default parameter nonetheless...)
[07:03] <LaserJock> yeah, but if the Ubuntu items are first then added or removing the kernels will change the number
[07:03] <LaserJock> so I need to put the Windows item first
[07:03] <LaserJock> can I just put it before the automagic Ubuntu section?
[07:04] <LaserJock> I'll try that and see if it works
[07:05] <crimsun> yes, you can.
[07:51] <dAndy> anyone have advice for how to test my preseeding? When I do it on the install, I cant see what is happening, a way to do it on the command line in a running system would be nifty
[08:30] <bddebian> We don't need a UVF exception for a bugfix release update do we?
[08:31] <LaserJock> if it is new upstream, yes we do
[08:31] <bddebian> ??
[08:31] <LaserJock> you need a UVFe for any new upstream release
[08:31] <bddebian>  mysql-navigator 1.4.2-6 to 1.4.2-7
[08:32] <bddebian> You are on crack :-)
[08:32] <LaserJock> upstream upstream
[08:33] <LaserJock> new Debian version doesn't fall under UVF
[08:33] <bddebian> Bah :-)
[08:42] <crimsun> Amaranth: (delayed) pong
[08:42] <Amaranth> crimsun: hehe
[08:42] <Amaranth> was hoping you could help me with a sound problem :)
[08:42] <crimsun> still need assistance? I have a few minutes (~10) before my next meeting
[08:43] <Amaranth> I've got some Intel ICH7 HD Audio thing, it gets much louder in Windows
[08:43] <Amaranth> and people are saying they have "Front" and such for volume control, I only have Master and PCM
[08:45] <crimsun> ok. 1) Are you running -23-? 2) What's the output from ``tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''?
[08:45] <Amaranth> yeah, -23
[08:45] <Amaranth> Mixers:
[08:45] <Amaranth> 0: Generic 14f1 ID 5047
[08:46] <crimsun> holy mother of Very Strange Fruit.
[08:46] <Amaranth> haha
[08:46] <crimsun> ok. Pastebin ``lspci -nv'', please.
[08:46] <Amaranth> 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[08:46] <Amaranth> ok
[08:47] <Amaranth> http://rafb.net/paste/results/PmZRbA75.html
[08:48] <crimsun> ok. Sec.
[08:48] <crimsun> is this an HP laptop?
[08:48] <Amaranth> yep
[08:49] <Amaranth> HP Pavilion dv8000t
[08:49] <crimsun> which model?
[08:49] <jpatrick> ^
[08:49] <Amaranth> latest and greatest, i knew i'd be in trouble :P
[08:50] <crimsun> sheesh, well that leaves things wide open.
[08:50] <Amaranth> wasn't as bad as i thought though, this is actually the only problem i've having with it
[08:50] <Amaranth> yeah, no one seems to have any info about this
[08:51] <Amaranth> supposedly fedora core 5 has better support for it though
[08:52] <crimsun> I'm fairly certain that's an unidentified AD codec
[08:52] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:52] <Amaranth> to be honest i'm surprised i have sound at all
[08:53] <crimsun> try unloading snd_hda_codec and then passing model=basic to modprobe
[08:53] <crimsun> (``sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_codec && sudo modprobe snd_hda_codec model=basic'')
[08:54] <Amaranth> says it's in use
[08:54] <Amaranth> i guess i should logout and drop to a tty for that
[08:54] <crimsun> yeah, you'll have to kill whatever's got a handle open. ``lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*''
[08:55] <crimsun> or drop to a console, right
[08:55] <Amaranth> arg, wtf
[08:55] <Amaranth> dropping to console, killing things in that list didn't help
[09:02] <Amaranth> crimsun: nothing i do lets me remove it
[09:03] <Amaranth> i could get into a tty thanks to nvidia, rebooting with the nv driver, nothing works
[09:03] <crimsun> Amaranth: and there's no relevant output from ``lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*''?
[09:03] <Amaranth> can i add something to /etc/modules to add that option?
[09:03] <Amaranth> no
[09:03] <crimsun> interesting.
[09:03] <crimsun> err
[09:03] <crimsun> wtf@me
[09:04] <crimsun> (``sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel model=basic'')
[09:04] <Amaranth> even with gdm not running at all it won't remove
[09:04] <Amaranth> heh
[09:04] <Amaranth> that did something
[09:04] <crimsun> sorry, I'm so used to typing "codec" today.
[09:04] <Amaranth> and i got a notification popup
[09:04] <crimsun> The driver is actually snd-hda-intel; snd-hda-codec is a prereq
[09:05] <crimsun> ok, now check ``amixer'' output.
[09:05] <crimsun> It should be different from your previous
[09:05] <Amaranth> still just master, pcm
[09:06] <crimsun> ok. Does adjusting them make any difference wrt the relative attenuation?
[09:07] <crimsun> (btw, the HDA codecs are fairly inconsistent. Some use 'Front'; some use 'PCM'; some use 'Headphone')
[09:07] <Amaranth> it turns up and down, if that's what you mean
[09:07] <Amaranth> but it doesn't seem any louder
[09:08] <Amaranth> yeah, still quieter than windows
[09:08] <Amaranth> i have the perfect test song :P
[09:08] <crimsun> ok. Unload it, and try model=hp
[09:08] <crimsun> (given your subvendor, model=hp /should/ be the default)
[09:09] <Amaranth> hrm
[09:09] <Amaranth> that tool awhile
[09:09] <Amaranth> and brought the sound back turned down
[09:10] <crimsun> same mixer elements, and same attenuation?
[09:10] <Amaranth> yeah
[09:10] <Amaranth> and no sound
[09:10] <Amaranth> i'm not getting any sound now :P
[09:11] <crimsun> none at all?
[09:11] <Amaranth> nope
[09:11] <crimsun> what's the output from ``amixer''?
[09:11] <Amaranth> everything is 100%
[09:11] <crimsun> yow, maybe you /do/ need basic.
[09:11] <Amaranth> hrm
[09:12] <Amaranth> makes it hard to watch a movie :P
[09:12] <Amaranth> what other models are there?
[09:12] <crimsun> thinkpad
[09:12] <Amaranth> is there a list somewhere i can run through?
[09:12] <crimsun> yeah, let me populate a list for you
[09:13] <Amaranth> any possible options for anything would be nice, i'll poke at them all :P
[09:13] <Amaranth> thinkpad is no sound either
[09:14] <crimsun> I'm not terribly optimistic about 5stack, thinkpad, laptop, or laptop-eapd, but try them.
[09:18] <crimsun> (out of that list, probably the last has the highest probability of Doing Something)
[09:19] <Amaranth> yeah
[09:19] <Amaranth> laptop-eapd is the only one that gives me sound
[09:19] <crimsun> arauggh.
[09:19] <Amaranth> doesn't really sound louder
[09:19] <crimsun> it will have to be fixed upstream, then
[09:20] <Amaranth> anyway to say "this one goes to 11"? ;)
[09:20] <crimsun> (if in fact it's not a hardware errata that can't be worked around in firmware, etc.)
[09:20] <crimsun> not without hacking the source
[09:21] <Amaranth> sounds tempting :)
[09:22] <Amaranth> maybe it's fixed in a newer upstream release
[09:22] <Amaranth> or does -23 have the latest stuff?
[09:23] <crimsun> for hda? I backported just about everything from 1.0.11
[09:23] <crimsun> realtek is literally everything from 1.0.11
[09:23] <crimsun> the other codecs lack a few sub{vendor,device} ids
[09:24] <crimsun> if you're adventurous, pull from alsa-driver and alsa-kernel hg
[09:25] <Amaranth> hg?
[09:26] <crimsun> mercurial is the vcs upstream uses now
[09:26] <Amaranth> arg
[09:26] <Amaranth> yet another weird source control system
[09:27] <crimsun> there are instructions following the Download link from ALSA's home page.
[09:27] <crimsun> yeah, but it uses Python :-)
[09:28] <crimsun> ok, I really need to run, already late for a[n option, granted]  meeting
[09:31] <Amaranth> thanks
[09:31] <Amaranth> bye
[09:53] <Amaranth> crimsun: latest from hg is the same :/
[09:53] <Amaranth> oh well
[09:53] <Amaranth> gets loud enough with headphone
[11:50] <LaserJock> hmm, I didn't think the MOTU had the day off ;-)