[12:04] <cbx33> the doc laid out I'm expecting to be about 8 A5 pages
[12:04] <Burgwork> not good enough for printed
[12:04] <Burgwork> 8 is a lot of pages
[12:04] <cbx33> i know
[12:04] <LaserJock> does ccbysa2.5 require full text, I think it might be just a link or something
[12:05] <LaserJock> cbx33: I really think you need to watch the screenshots
[12:05] <Burgwork> hmm, I don't know
[12:05] <LaserJock> cbx33: they should be shrunk down
[12:05] <Burgwork> screenshots need not be full screen
[12:05] <Burgwork> they should be, at most, about 4cm square
[12:05] <cbx33> Burgwork, that was the plan
[12:05] <cbx33> see the mockups :p
[12:06] <LaserJock> Burgwork: do you guys up there use metric?
[12:06] <cbx33> yup
[12:06] <cbx33> you imperial nuts :p
[12:06] <cbx33> I could never get the hang of it :p
[12:06] <cbx33> makes my maths harder
[12:06] <Burgwork> LaserJock, in Canada. Officially yes. We are a wierd hybrid, in practice
[12:06] <LaserJock> I thought maybe it would be half-and-half since Canada seems to like it both ways
[12:07] <Burgwork> distance in metric, weight and height in imperial
[12:07] <cbx33> and when I'm doing non-linear differential equations :p
[12:07] <cbx33> yeh we do a half and half thing too :p
[12:07] <cbx33> but I normally measure length etc in mm/cm
[12:07] <Burgwork> you buy groceries by the pound but bulk food by the 100g and gass by the litre
[12:07] <LaserJock> I'm used to using metric (or really SI) because I'm a scientist
[12:07] <cbx33> LaserJock, swat I thought
[12:08] <cbx33> anyway we digress
[12:08] <LaserJock> but I don't use it a lot for daily use, I have no idea what I weigh in kg, etc.
[12:08] <LaserJock> that sounds better than lbs.
[12:09] <cbx33> no idea what that is in lbs
[12:09] <LaserJock> Burgwork: did you see cbx33's patch4
[12:09] <cbx33> LaserJock, was it ok?
[12:09] <Burgwork> yep, looks godo
[12:10] <LaserJock> I see a typo
[12:11] <cbx33> ooop
[12:11] <Burgwork> apply the patch and then fix the typos
[12:11] <Burgwork> I saw a grammar error too
[12:12] <cbx33> oh dear....
[12:12] <Burgwork> it was mine, actually
[12:12] <Burgwork> I missed a comma
[12:13] <cbx33> oh.... phew
[12:13] <LaserJock> commited
[12:13] <cbx33> I only checked the manage section
[12:13] <cbx33> :D
[12:13] <cbx33> think i can get commit access soon :p
[12:13] <LaserJock> scare -> scarce and added a comma
[12:16] <Burgwork> cbx33, have you applied for access?
[12:16] <cbx33> jscotango posted about it a while ago
[12:16] <mhz> LaserJock: so, any special idea for articles?
[12:16] <cbx33> and people asked for me to submit more patches :p
[12:22] <LaserJock> mhz: what articles?
[12:23] <mhz> LaserJock: iirc, you said something like "mhz, why dont you write an article?"
[12:25] <LaserJock> mhz: hmm, I don't remember
[12:25] <LaserJock> but that's not anything new
[12:25] <mhz> hehehe, indeed
[12:27] <cbx33> are my patches ok?
[12:27] <mhz> LaserJock: no worries, it was lucasvo 
[12:27] <mhz> sorry
[12:27] <cbx33> hheh
[12:27] <cbx33> lucasvo, wants articles for the ubuntu journal I would think
[12:28] <mhz> lucasvo: may 19 11:41:18 <lucasvo>       mhz: are you willing to write an article?
[12:29] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you svn up?
[12:30] <cbx33> no
[12:30] <cbx33> i don;t have access
[12:31] <LaserJock> cbx33: no, update your repo
[12:31] <cbx33> oh ok
[12:32] <cbx33> done
[12:39] <cbx33> I have another patch
[12:40] <cbx33> LaserJock, emailed to you
[12:41] <LaserJock> k
[12:41] <cbx33> sorry LaserJock do you want me to keep them back and make a bigger one?
[12:42] <LaserJock> it's not to bad yet :-)
[12:42] <cbx33> you sure
[12:42] <cbx33> well, if you or Burgwork have a suggestion and example about how the applications section will look like
[12:42] <Burgwork> ok, headed home
[12:42] <cbx33> I can check it out tomorrow
[12:43] <cbx33> nn Burgwork 
[12:43] <Burgwork> be back online in about half an hour
[12:43] <cbx33> nn LaserJock 
[12:43] <LaserJock> hmm, but you didn't have an updated svn :-)
[12:43] <cbx33> I'm off to sleep
[12:43] <cbx33> LaserJock, what do you mean....
[12:43] <cbx33> yes id did
[12:43] <cbx33> didn't I?
[12:43] <cbx33> i updated
[12:43] <cbx33> oh hang on
[12:43] <LaserJock> cbx33: it might have not gone all the way through yet, your patch reverts some changes :-)
[12:43] <cbx33> no wait
[12:43] <cbx33> wait
[12:43] <cbx33> I submit another
[12:43] <cbx33> too sec
[12:44] <LaserJock> ok, fine
[12:45] <cbx33> that should be it
[12:45] <cbx33> nn LaserJock 
[12:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: cya
[12:45] <cbx33> sorry for the mistake
[12:46] <LaserJock> np
[01:27] <Burgundavia_> LaserJock, where are we at with cbx33 and his patches?
[01:28] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I applied his last one
[01:31] <Burgundavia_> ok
[01:43] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, do you like the idea of merging the tools section with the educational apps section?
[01:44] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yeah, but I'd like to see what we want to do with the tools in general
[01:45] <Burgundavia> let me merge and commit and we can look then
[01:47] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[01:48] <Burgundavia> alright 3053
[01:49] <Burgundavia> remembering of course that the main audience will not read this through yelp
[01:49] <LaserJock> ack, I don't think I did commit his last patch :/
[01:50] <LaserJock> let me do that first
[01:50] <Burgundavia> too late
[01:51] <LaserJock> well, I'll do it now and then we can have a look see
[01:53] <LaserJock> ok, so svn up and lets look at this thing
[01:53] <LaserJock> btw, I think we need to do some spell checking
[01:54] <LaserJock> for some reason it is almost impossible for me to get spell checkers in OS X
[01:54] <Burgundavia> we do
[01:55] <Burgundavia> ugh, this whole applications section
[01:58] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yeah, so did you want to have like a para for each app area?
[01:58] <Burgundavia> right now I am doing the basics
[01:59] <Amaranth> any updates on SoC stuff?
[01:59] <Amaranth> i'm about ready to give up on the willow author and just write my own
[01:59] <Amaranth> i'd have to fork willow and change it anyway
[01:59] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, I have heard nothing
[01:59] <Burgundavia> honestly, there isn't that much code their
[01:59] <Burgundavia> s/their/there
[02:00] <Amaranth> no
[02:00] <Amaranth> it's very compact magic
[02:01] <Burgundavia> however, the concept is really good
[02:01] <Burgundavia> one key piece that might be difficult is some kind of a learning mode
[02:01] <Burgundavia> basically display the page within a frame and have the teacher click on a button to categorize it
[02:02] <Burgundavia> hmm, then again, that probably isn't too hard
[02:02] <Amaranth> a firefox extension would be useful
[02:02] <Burgundavia> I would make it server side
[02:02] <Burgundavia> remember that most education environments are mixed
[02:02] <Amaranth> eh?
[02:03] <Amaranth> oh, do some magic with an iframe
[02:03] <Burgundavia> basically it would be a proxy
[02:03] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:05] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, svn up
[02:13] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: k
[02:29] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: ack, I've got to get home, I'll be on later
[02:30] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, ok
[10:16] <cbx33> mornin all
[10:17] <Burgundavia> salut cbx33
[10:17] <Burgundavia> I have been busy while you slept
[10:17] <cbx33> i bet you have
[10:17] <cbx33> i'm still in bed at the mo on pocket pc
[10:18] <cbx33> can hardly breathe......feel like.....$#@
[10:18] <cbx33> howz the doc
[10:22] <cbx33> !seen ogra
[10:22] <ubotu> ogra is currently on #edubuntu (5h 1m 4s) #ubuntu (5h 1m 4s)
[10:22] <Burgundavia> cbx33, you are unlikely to get anything out of ogra until monday
[10:22] <cbx33> heheh
[10:22] <cbx33> he's working on RC
[10:23] <cbx33> isn't he
[10:23] <Burgundavia> more likely he is not working and relaxing for a stressful two weeks of work up to release
[10:23] <cbx33> heh
[10:24] <cbx33> good for him
[10:24] <cbx33> right battery is dying here
[10:24] <cbx33> got bout 5 more mins.....
[10:24] <cbx33> then i'll switch to pc......
[10:26] <cbx33> bbiab
[10:38] <Burgundavia> cbx33, fire any patches you have at the ubuntu-doc list
[10:39] <cbx33> ok
[10:39] <cbx33> have you uploaded your changes ?
[10:39] <Burgundavia> yep, everything I have done is in the repo
[10:40] <cbx33> nioce
[10:40] <cbx33> thank you for this Burgundavia 
[10:40] <cbx33> you've been a fantastic help
[10:42] <cbx33> Corey did you get that mail about the change of licensing on the wiki?
[10:43] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:43] <Burgundavia> np
[10:43] <Burgundavia> it has been fun
[10:50] <cbx33> I'll bet
[10:59] <cbx33> WOW
[10:59] <cbx33> you have been busy
[11:01] <cbx33> so Burgundavia 
[11:04] <cbx33> did you want me to try along the same lines with the science apps?
[11:16] <Burgundavia> cbx33, sure
[11:18] <cbx33> Burgundavia, you there :p
[11:18] <cbx33> Any good educational platform is built on the applications it is built on and Edubuntu is no exception. 
[11:18] <Burgundavia> right
[11:18] <Burgundavia> that was tired typing
[11:18] <cbx33> :p
[11:18] <cbx33> sorry Burgundavia 
[11:18] <Burgundavia> correct any errors like that
[11:18] <cbx33> will do,
[11:19] <cbx33> We'll give it till the end of the weekend for this
[11:19] <cbx33> hopefully get it to the mailing list for translation late sunday?
[11:19] <cbx33> then i can off load it to do RC testing for ogra next week
[11:20] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[11:21] <cbx33> excellent
[11:21] <cbx33> that should give everyone one more look
[11:22] <cbx33> Burgundavia, when placing screenshots into docbook
[11:22] <cbx33> should I resize them down to fit
[11:23] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:23] <lucasvo> cbx33: please add the #edubuntu-de channel into the section: I don't know much English, can I also get help in my language?
[11:24] <cbx33> ok
[11:25] <cbx33> lucasvo, we could list them all but it would take up too much space
[11:25] <cbx33> Burgundavia, have you looked at that last section at all yet?
[11:25] <Burgundavia> which section? the local one?
[11:25] <Burgundavia> better to say, "There is an Edubuntu or Ubuntu community in nearly everything language and then link to a page"
[11:26] <cbx33> how can i get involved etc
[11:28] <Burgundavia> night
[12:05] <lucasvo> cbx33: then don't mention any of them
[12:05] <lucasvo> people think this list is complete 
[12:11] <cbx33> :p
[12:18] <pygi> hey cbx33 
[12:52] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[12:58] <pygi> whats up cbx33 ?
[01:00] <cbx33> not much
[01:00] <cbx33> just gonna finish some 3d modelling
[01:01] <cbx33> then work on ESA :D
[01:02] <pygi> cbx33, nice :)
[01:05] <cbx33> http://www.caligari.com/Gallery/ImagesGallery/2002/Sep02/image02.asp?Cate=GImages
[01:05] <cbx33> :p
[01:06] <cbx33> tis an old one, but that's the sorta thing I used to do in my spare time :p
[01:11] <pygi> cbx33, nice :)
[01:12] <pygi> Blender
[01:12] <pygi> ?
[01:12] <cbx33> no truespace
[01:13] <pygi> cbx33, ah, is it any good?
[02:08] <cbx33> pygi, it does the job
[02:08] <cbx33> but not free
[02:08] <cbx33> :p
[02:09] <pygi> cbx33, I am askin' because I know several people who don't want to go to Linux because they cant run 3DS max
[02:13] <juliux> ogra, i will try to get a stand on the linuxworldexpo in colonge for edubuntu
[02:26] <lucasvo> juliux: Ubuntu Radios is cool!
[02:26] <juliux> lucasvo, you mean the german one?
[02:29] <lucasvo> juliux: yes
[02:29] <lucasvo> juliux: is there an english one/
[02:30] <juliux> lucasvo, i dont no if there is an english one
[02:30] <cbx33> juliux, you listen to lugradio?
[02:30] <cbx33> or linux reality?
[02:30] <cbx33> brb
[02:30] <juliux> lucasvo, but i think that the german one has to much music
[02:30] <juliux> cbx33, http://www.ubuntuusers.de/radio/
[02:30] <juliux> cbx33, but it is only german
[02:37] <lucasvo> juliux: I never listened to it
[02:37] <juliux> lucasvo, hehe
[02:39] <lucasvo> juliux: what do you think, would it be a good idea to make Ubuntu Journal multi lingual?
[02:39] <lucasvo> for e.g. have a german section?
[02:40] <juliux> lucasvo, i think so
[02:40] <juliux> lucasvo, but if there is a print version i think it is a lot of work to have it multi lingual
[02:40] <lucasvo> juliux: no, just print them all into one magazine
[02:41] <juliux> lucasvo, puh
[02:41] <lucasvo> if you double the pages you pay about 10% more
[02:41] <lucasvo> but you can sell to more people
[02:41] <lucasvo> which gives you bulk discount
[02:51] <lucasvo> cbx33: I'll try to do something with scribus once again
[02:53] <juliux> lucasvo, i have somebody who can do the layout
[02:53] <lucasvo> juliux: who?
[02:54] <lucasvo> juliux: www.elevendesign.ch 
[02:54] <lucasvo> he is quite good
[02:54] <juliux> lucasvo, www.linwiki.de is his project, he has layoute our draft for a magazin
[02:54] <juliux> lucasvo, ok if you have one 
[02:55] <lucasvo> juliux: I think we should work together
[02:55] <juliux> lucasvo, i have no time for that
[02:56] <lucasvo> juliux: are you the only one involved with printing/
[02:56] <juliux> lucasvo, i?
[02:56] <lucasvo> I mean a print version
[02:56] <lucasvo> juliux: can I see your draft?
[02:56] <juliux> lucasvo, it is not my draft
[02:57] <lucasvo> I mean the draft you have, done by the linwiki guy
[02:57] <juliux> lucasvo, hm the draft isnt online i look if i can find it
[02:57] <lucasvo> thanks
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[04:43] <ajayc> pygi, how can i get a bot from #debian-bots?
[04:43] <pygi> you can't :)
[04:44] <ajayc> damn
[04:44] <ajayc> i cant get my own
[04:44] <pygi> you can install blootbot tho
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[05:17] <cbx33> afternooooon all
[05:20] <lucasvo> hi cbx33 
[05:21] <cbx33> hi lucasvo
[05:22] <cbx33> Laser_away: ping
[06:30] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[06:32] <cbx33> did you manage to find that theme tarball?
[07:01] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[07:06] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[07:06] <cbx33> jerome said my latest patch i submitted to the ML didn't work
[07:06] <cbx33> it did here
[07:06] <cbx33> can you check it out?
[07:10] <ajayc> hi guys
[07:11] <LaserJock> cbx33: ok
[07:17] <LaserJock> cbx33: patched fine for me, jerome might not have svn up'd before he applied it or something
[07:31] <cbx33> possibly
[07:31] <cbx33> did you apply it LaserJock ?
[07:33] <LaserJock> cbx33: yep, just now
[07:33] <LaserJock> ok, I have perhaps a suggestion for the Applications section
[07:34] <LaserJock> I still like the idea of seperating the desktop apps (which are no different than an Ubuntu desktop I don't think) and the educational apps
[07:35] <LaserJock> so I was thinking that under Applications we could have a sectional called "Edubuntu desktop" and a section called "Educational"
[07:36] <LaserJock> and we could make Edubuntu Desktop more narrative and less list like
[07:42] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[07:52] <cbx33> Laser_away, ok sounds good, what would happen about screen hosts?
[08:03] <cbx33> hi jane_ 
[08:05] <cbx33> ping highvoltage 
[08:43] <cbx33> highvoltage, is the idea to have two wikis now?
[08:44] <cbx33> what would help.edubuntu be edited by?
[08:58] <Laser_away> cbx33: read wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterWikiDocs
[08:59] <Laser_away> cbx33: my basic understanding is that anything we want moved to help.ubuntu.com should have CategoryDocumentation at the bottom
[09:01] <Laser_away> cbx33: I think ogra was thinking of that list of pages you were doing
[09:03] <lucasvo> Laser_away: do you think that's reosanable?
[09:03] <lucasvo> because then people would look for articles which are on help-wiki in the normal wiki, wont find them and create new ones
[09:04] <lucasvo> I would rather just mark the wiki articles with some marker and then have an editor team who copies them and looks that there is no rubbish in them.
[09:05] <lucasvo> cbx33: what do you think?
[09:06] <lucasvo> ah- 
[09:10] <Laser_away> lucasvo: all user documentation wiki pages are moving to help.ubuntu.com
[09:10] <Laser_away> wiki.ubuntu.com will only have developer documenation, specs, etc.
[09:10] <lucasvo> yeah, I just finished reading the spec
[09:10] <lucasvo> I think best would be, if one would do it like this:
[09:11] <lucasvo> help.ubuntu.com/wiki the actual wiki
[09:11] <lucasvo> help.ubuntu.com the documentation 
[09:11] <Laser_away> yes, that is the way it is
[09:11] <lucasvo> but I think help.ubuntu.com/ should NOT be a wiki
[09:13] <Laser_away> it isn't
[09:15] <lucasvo> oh, so I misunderstood this
[09:17] <Laser_away> help.ubuntu.com holds the docs that are shipped, help.ubuntu.com/wiki holds the user documentation wiki
[09:26] <Amaranth> projects get their slots for SoC this afternoon
[09:36] <lucasvo> the apple store is awesome
[10:17] <cbx33> Laser_away, who will have editing rights to help.ubuntu.com ?
[10:17] <cbx33> for updating docs etc?
[10:17] <cbx33> and when is this move taking place?
[10:18] <lucasvo> cbx33: afaik the docteam
[10:36] <cbx33> ping Laser_away