[12:04] the doc laid out I'm expecting to be about 8 A5 pages [12:04] not good enough for printed [12:04] 8 is a lot of pages [12:04] i know [12:04] does ccbysa2.5 require full text, I think it might be just a link or something [12:05] cbx33: I really think you need to watch the screenshots [12:05] hmm, I don't know [12:05] cbx33: they should be shrunk down [12:05] screenshots need not be full screen [12:05] they should be, at most, about 4cm square [12:05] Burgwork, that was the plan [12:05] see the mockups :p [12:06] Burgwork: do you guys up there use metric? [12:06] yup [12:06] you imperial nuts :p [12:06] I could never get the hang of it :p [12:06] makes my maths harder [12:06] LaserJock, in Canada. Officially yes. We are a wierd hybrid, in practice [12:06] I thought maybe it would be half-and-half since Canada seems to like it both ways [12:07] distance in metric, weight and height in imperial [12:07] and when I'm doing non-linear differential equations :p [12:07] yeh we do a half and half thing too :p [12:07] but I normally measure length etc in mm/cm [12:07] you buy groceries by the pound but bulk food by the 100g and gass by the litre [12:07] I'm used to using metric (or really SI) because I'm a scientist [12:07] LaserJock, swat I thought [12:08] anyway we digress [12:08] but I don't use it a lot for daily use, I have no idea what I weigh in kg, etc. === cbx33 weighs about 70 [12:08] that sounds better than lbs. === cbx33 wieghs about 10.5 stone [12:09] no idea what that is in lbs [12:09] Burgwork: did you see cbx33's patch4 [12:09] LaserJock, was it ok? [12:09] yep, looks godo [12:10] I see a typo [12:11] ooop [12:11] apply the patch and then fix the typos [12:11] I saw a grammar error too [12:12] oh dear.... === cbx33 gives up patching for the night [12:12] it was mine, actually [12:12] I missed a comma [12:13] oh.... phew [12:13] commited [12:13] I only checked the manage section [12:13] :D [12:13] think i can get commit access soon :p [12:13] scare -> scarce and added a comma [12:16] cbx33, have you applied for access? [12:16] jscotango posted about it a while ago [12:16] LaserJock: so, any special idea for articles? [12:16] and people asked for me to submit more patches :p === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [12:22] mhz: what articles? [12:23] LaserJock: iirc, you said something like "mhz, why dont you write an article?" [12:25] mhz: hmm, I don't remember [12:25] but that's not anything new [12:25] hehehe, indeed [12:27] are my patches ok? [12:27] LaserJock: no worries, it was lucasvo [12:27] sorry [12:27] hheh [12:27] lucasvo, wants articles for the ubuntu journal I would think [12:28] lucasvo: may 19 11:41:18 mhz: are you willing to write an article? [12:29] cbx33: did you svn up? [12:30] no [12:30] i don;t have access [12:31] cbx33: no, update your repo [12:31] oh ok [12:32] done === cbx33 is making changes [12:39] I have another patch [12:40] LaserJock, emailed to you [12:41] k [12:41] sorry LaserJock do you want me to keep them back and make a bigger one? [12:42] it's not to bad yet :-) [12:42] you sure [12:42] well, if you or Burgwork have a suggestion and example about how the applications section will look like [12:42] ok, headed home [12:42] I can check it out tomorrow [12:43] nn Burgwork [12:43] be back online in about half an hour [12:43] nn LaserJock [12:43] hmm, but you didn't have an updated svn :-) [12:43] I'm off to sleep [12:43] LaserJock, what do you mean.... [12:43] yes id did [12:43] didn't I? [12:43] i updated [12:43] oh hang on [12:43] cbx33: it might have not gone all the way through yet, your patch reverts some changes :-) [12:43] no wait [12:43] wait [12:43] I submit another [12:43] too sec [12:44] ok, fine [12:45] that should be it [12:45] nn LaserJock [12:45] cbx33: cya [12:45] sorry for the mistake [12:46] np === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@201.230.102.105] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Akronic [n=Akronic@213.138.248.163] has joined #edubuntu === Akronic [n=Akronic@213.138.248.163] has left #edubuntu [] [01:27] LaserJock, where are we at with cbx33 and his patches? [01:28] Burgundavia: I applied his last one [01:31] ok === Burgundavia_ is now known as Burgundavia === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-19-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:43] LaserJock, do you like the idea of merging the tools section with the educational apps section? === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b964a1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:44] Burgundavia: yeah, but I'd like to see what we want to do with the tools in general [01:45] let me merge and commit and we can look then [01:47] ok, cool [01:48] alright 3053 [01:49] remembering of course that the main audience will not read this through yelp [01:49] ack, I don't think I did commit his last patch :/ [01:50] let me do that first [01:50] too late [01:51] well, I'll do it now and then we can have a look see [01:53] ok, so svn up and lets look at this thing [01:53] btw, I think we need to do some spell checking [01:54] for some reason it is almost impossible for me to get spell checkers in OS X [01:54] we do [01:55] ugh, this whole applications section === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [01:58] Burgundavia: yeah, so did you want to have like a para for each app area? [01:58] right now I am doing the basics [01:59] any updates on SoC stuff? [01:59] i'm about ready to give up on the willow author and just write my own [01:59] i'd have to fork willow and change it anyway [01:59] Amaranth, I have heard nothing [01:59] honestly, there isn't that much code their [01:59] s/their/there [02:00] no [02:00] it's very compact magic [02:01] however, the concept is really good [02:01] one key piece that might be difficult is some kind of a learning mode [02:01] basically display the page within a frame and have the teacher click on a button to categorize it [02:02] hmm, then again, that probably isn't too hard [02:02] a firefox extension would be useful [02:02] I would make it server side [02:02] remember that most education environments are mixed [02:02] eh? [02:03] oh, do some magic with an iframe [02:03] basically it would be a proxy [02:03] yep [02:05] LaserJock, svn up [02:13] Burgundavia: k [02:29] Burgundavia: ack, I've got to get home, I'll be on later [02:30] LaserJock, ok === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-19-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu === ajay_ [n=ajay@59.93.242.249] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === ajay_ [n=ajay@59.93.240.210] has joined #edubuntu === ajayc [n=ajay@59.93.244.62] has joined #edubuntu === ajayc [n=ajay@59.93.244.139] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.121.194.232] has joined #edubuntu === pontifex [n=pontifex@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === popey [n=popey@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === adhoc [n=kim@ppp135-135.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=prochat1@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:16] mornin all [10:17] salut cbx33 [10:17] I have been busy while you slept [10:17] i bet you have [10:17] i'm still in bed at the mo on pocket pc [10:18] can hardly breathe......feel like.....$#@ [10:18] howz the doc [10:22] !seen ogra [10:22] ogra is currently on #edubuntu (5h 1m 4s) #ubuntu (5h 1m 4s) [10:22] cbx33, you are unlikely to get anything out of ogra until monday [10:22] heheh [10:22] he's working on RC [10:23] isn't he [10:23] more likely he is not working and relaxing for a stressful two weeks of work up to release [10:23] heh [10:24] good for him [10:24] right battery is dying here [10:24] got bout 5 more mins..... [10:24] then i'll switch to pc...... [10:26] bbiab === pontifex [n=pontifex@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === popey [n=popey@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [10:38] cbx33, fire any patches you have at the ubuntu-doc list [10:39] ok [10:39] have you uploaded your changes ? [10:39] yep, everything I have done is in the repo [10:40] nioce === cbx33 goes to checkout [10:40] thank you for this Burgundavia [10:40] you've been a fantastic help [10:42] Corey did you get that mail about the change of licensing on the wiki? [10:43] yep [10:43] np [10:43] it has been fun [10:50] I'll bet [10:59] WOW [10:59] you have been busy [11:01] so Burgundavia [11:04] did you want me to try along the same lines with the science apps? [11:16] cbx33, sure [11:18] Burgundavia, you there :p [11:18] Any good educational platform is built on the applications it is built on and Edubuntu is no exception. [11:18] right [11:18] that was tired typing [11:18] :p [11:18] sorry Burgundavia [11:18] correct any errors like that [11:18] will do, [11:19] We'll give it till the end of the weekend for this [11:19] hopefully get it to the mailing list for translation late sunday? [11:19] then i can off load it to do RC testing for ogra next week [11:20] sounds good [11:21] excellent [11:21] that should give everyone one more look [11:22] Burgundavia, when placing screenshots into docbook [11:22] should I resize them down to fit [11:23] yes [11:23] cbx33: please add the #edubuntu-de channel into the section: I don't know much English, can I also get help in my language? [11:24] ok [11:25] lucasvo, we could list them all but it would take up too much space [11:25] Burgundavia, have you looked at that last section at all yet? [11:25] which section? the local one? [11:25] better to say, "There is an Edubuntu or Ubuntu community in nearly everything language and then link to a page" [11:26] how can i get involved etc [11:28] night === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [12:05] cbx33: then don't mention any of them [12:05] people think this list is complete === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-227-177.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [12:11] :p [12:18] hey cbx33 === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [12:52] hi pygi === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:58] whats up cbx33 ? [01:00] not much [01:00] just gonna finish some 3d modelling [01:01] then work on ESA :D [01:02] cbx33, nice :) [01:05] http://www.caligari.com/Gallery/ImagesGallery/2002/Sep02/image02.asp?Cate=GImages [01:05] :p [01:06] tis an old one, but that's the sorta thing I used to do in my spare time :p === pygi looks [01:11] cbx33, nice :) [01:12] Blender [01:12] ? [01:12] no truespace [01:13] cbx33, ah, is it any good? === blue-frog [n=james@88.121.188.103] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b9649d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:08] pygi, it does the job [02:08] but not free [02:08] :p [02:09] cbx33, I am askin' because I know several people who don't want to go to Linux because they cant run 3DS max [02:13] ogra, i will try to get a stand on the linuxworldexpo in colonge for edubuntu [02:26] juliux: Ubuntu Radios is cool! [02:26] lucasvo, you mean the german one? [02:29] juliux: yes [02:29] juliux: is there an english one/ [02:30] lucasvo, i dont no if there is an english one [02:30] juliux, you listen to lugradio? [02:30] or linux reality? [02:30] brb [02:30] lucasvo, but i think that the german one has to much music [02:30] cbx33, http://www.ubuntuusers.de/radio/ [02:30] cbx33, but it is only german [02:37] juliux: I never listened to it [02:37] lucasvo, hehe [02:39] juliux: what do you think, would it be a good idea to make Ubuntu Journal multi lingual? [02:39] for e.g. have a german section? [02:40] lucasvo, i think so [02:40] lucasvo, but if there is a print version i think it is a lot of work to have it multi lingual [02:40] juliux: no, just print them all into one magazine [02:41] lucasvo, puh [02:41] if you double the pages you pay about 10% more [02:41] but you can sell to more people [02:41] which gives you bulk discount [02:51] cbx33: I'll try to do something with scribus once again [02:53] lucasvo, i have somebody who can do the layout [02:53] juliux: who? [02:54] juliux: www.elevendesign.ch [02:54] he is quite good [02:54] lucasvo, www.linwiki.de is his project, he has layoute our draft for a magazin [02:54] lucasvo, ok if you have one [02:55] juliux: I think we should work together [02:55] lucasvo, i have no time for that [02:56] juliux: are you the only one involved with printing/ [02:56] lucasvo, i? [02:56] I mean a print version [02:56] juliux: can I see your draft? [02:56] lucasvo, it is not my draft [02:57] I mean the draft you have, done by the linwiki guy [02:57] lucasvo, hm the draft isnt online i look if i can find it [02:57] thanks === Rondom_ [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b964d0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === ajayc [n=ajay@59.93.241.17] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ [n=pygi@83.131.251.160] has joined #edubuntu === ulinskie [n=u@203.215.95.133] has joined #edubuntu [04:24] !ubotu [04:24] Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots. [04:25] #debian-bots === pygi_ is now known as pygi [04:43] pygi, hi [04:43] ajayc, how may I help you? [04:43] pygi, how can i get a bot from #debian-bots? [04:43] you can't :) [04:44] damn [04:44] i cant get my own [04:44] you can install blootbot tho [04:44] cos i dunno where to host it [04:44] ah [04:44] any idea what i can do? [04:48] buy a server? :) === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [05:17] afternooooon all === silentk [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:20] hi cbx33 [05:21] hi lucasvo [05:22] Laser_away: ping === blue-frog [n=james@88.121.188.103] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94aa5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === silentk is now known as cbex === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === cbex is now known as cbx33 [06:30] hi highvoltage [06:32] did you manage to find that theme tarball? === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [07:01] hi cbx33 [07:06] hey LaserJock [07:06] jerome said my latest patch i submitted to the ML didn't work [07:06] it did here [07:06] can you check it out? [07:10] hi guys [07:11] cbx33: ok [07:17] cbx33: patched fine for me, jerome might not have svn up'd before he applied it or something === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [07:31] possibly [07:31] did you apply it LaserJock ? [07:33] cbx33: yep, just now [07:33] ok, I have perhaps a suggestion for the Applications section [07:34] I still like the idea of seperating the desktop apps (which are no different than an Ubuntu desktop I don't think) and the educational apps [07:35] so I was thinking that under Applications we could have a sectional called "Edubuntu desktop" and a section called "Educational" [07:36] and we could make Edubuntu Desktop more narrative and less list like === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.9.67] has joined #edubuntu [07:42] greetings [07:52] Laser_away, ok sounds good, what would happen about screen hosts? === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-177-94.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:03] hi jane_ [08:05] ping highvoltage === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu === superset1 [n=smarinel@24-205-231-12.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu [08:43] highvoltage, is the idea to have two wikis now? [08:44] what would help.edubuntu be edited by? [08:58] cbx33: read wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterWikiDocs [08:59] cbx33: my basic understanding is that anything we want moved to help.ubuntu.com should have CategoryDocumentation at the bottom [09:01] cbx33: I think ogra was thinking of that list of pages you were doing [09:03] Laser_away: do you think that's reosanable? [09:03] because then people would look for articles which are on help-wiki in the normal wiki, wont find them and create new ones [09:04] I would rather just mark the wiki articles with some marker and then have an editor team who copies them and looks that there is no rubbish in them. [09:05] cbx33: what do you think? [09:06] ah- [09:10] lucasvo: all user documentation wiki pages are moving to help.ubuntu.com [09:10] wiki.ubuntu.com will only have developer documenation, specs, etc. [09:10] yeah, I just finished reading the spec [09:10] I think best would be, if one would do it like this: [09:11] help.ubuntu.com/wiki the actual wiki [09:11] help.ubuntu.com the documentation [09:11] yes, that is the way it is [09:11] but I think help.ubuntu.com/ should NOT be a wiki [09:13] it isn't [09:15] oh, so I misunderstood this [09:17] help.ubuntu.com holds the docs that are shipped, help.ubuntu.com/wiki holds the user documentation wiki === P3L|C4N0 [n=sopmac@200.106.9.67] has joined #edubuntu [09:26] projects get their slots for SoC this afternoon [09:36] the apple store is awesome [10:17] Laser_away, who will have editing rights to help.ubuntu.com ? [10:17] for updating docs etc? [10:17] and when is this move taking place? 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