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robotgeekkwwii: :)12:03
kwwiirobotgeek: not so funny, really....I have found lots of endianess problems in kde :-(12:03
robotgeekkwwii: oh, cause i am on ppc too. 12:04
kwwiihehe12:04
kwwiijust open krita12:04
robotgeeki've had some weird problems with konqueror. 12:04
kwwiior make a screenshot with kaffiend12:04
kwwiispelling12:04
robotgeekokay, second12:05
robotgeekkwwii: i made a screenshot with kaffeine, seems fine?12:08
kwwiiare the colors correct?12:09
kwwiior does it have a tint, perhaps green12:09
robotgeekkwwii: okay, what do you mean screenshot with kaffine (while playing videos in kaffine?)12:09
kwwiithere is an option in kaffeine to make a screenshot of the film, try that12:09
robotgeekkk12:10
robotgeekkwwii: yeah, green tint12:11
kwwiiand when you open krita, what color is the page?12:11
kwwiicyan?12:11
robotgeeki dont have krita installed, got rid of it yesterday. lemme install12:11
kwwiioh, don't worry12:12
kwwiiI know it will be cyan12:12
robotgeekheh, okaty12:12
kwwiiand all the pics you open in it are fscked as well12:12
robotgeekgood to know :)12:12
robotgeekif i hit colon in konqueror address bar, it moves to the end (like ctrl + e in bash)12:13
kwwiidoes not happen here12:13
robotgeeki think i'll reinstall sometime soon12:13
kwwiibut I had problems with my keyboard so I edited my xorg conf myself12:13
kwwiiI had no @ key12:13
kwwiiit is bad enough that on mac the @ key ends up being apple-Q which, under osx or 9 is quit12:14
kwwiiI can hear the distant laughter of some crazy linux developer everytime I press it12:15
kwwii"serves me right for ever using something other than linux" 12:15
robotgeeklol12:15
robotgeeki havent used os x in 2 years now12:15
kwwiidude, I still have hardware video editing stuff that needs os912:16
kwwiiwelcome to the world of proffesional art12:16
kwwiimost studios are just now slowly changing to osx12:16
robotgeekkwwii: hmm, os 9? theres still stuff that runs on os9. weird12:16
kwwiiever heard of media100?12:16
robotgeeknope, engineer by profession12:17
kwwiiit is a pretty decent lower-level profi video editing hardware/software platform12:17
robotgeeki installed ubuntu cause it was extremely painful to do engg stuff on os x, despite its unixiness12:18
kwwiithat is totally true12:18
kwwiiwhat kind of eng are you into?12:18
kwwiiI studied civil eng12:18
robotgeekmechanical engg, with specialization in controls12:18
kwwiibuilt toxic and medical landfills12:18
kwwiigood for you12:18
kwwiiI did a practicum in mech eng12:19
kwwiiinteresting stuff12:19
robotgeekfound a job opening through odt.kde.org , lol12:19
kwwiibut I wanted to build bridges12:19
kwwiihehe12:19
kwwiinever did12:19
kwwiinow I make pretty pictures12:19
kwwiiwhich is better than destroying the environment12:20
kwwiianyway.../me works on kdm12:20
robotgeekkwwii: :)12:20
robotgeeki work on documentation (Desktop Guide, your truly)12:20
kwwiikilller!12:21
Riddellrobotgeek: how did you find a job on the dot?12:21
kwwiiif you ever need any help, just let me know12:21
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robotgeekRiddell: i dint find a job, i found a opening12:22
Riddellhow did you find that?12:22
robotgeekkwwii: sure, i'm actively looking right now12:22
robotgeekhttp://dot.kde.org/1147698188/ Riddell , that company had a linux + labview opening12:23
robotgeekRiddell: totally strange where you can find openings in my area :)12:24
kwwiirobotgeek: you got that job recently, or?12:24
kwwiiI remeber someone saying something like that12:24
robotgeekkwwii: no, i am looking for jobs right now. i applied for a position in that company today12:24
Riddellgood to know my hour of editing that article was well spent12:25
robotgeekRiddell: :)12:25
kwwiiRiddell: so I can just send you amarok bugs in the meantime?12:26
kwwiilol12:26
kwwiibrb...testing my xml12:26
robotgeekkwwii: alrite, gotta go cook dinner. cya sometime later12:29
kwwiiok, found another bug12:31
kwwiik-menu, switch user, start new session makes my system freeze12:31
kwwiiand the svg, is fskced up at first, but looks ok later12:31
kwwiibetter to use a png12:31
kwwiibut I do not think logging out for every test is a nice way to edit the kubuntu.xml file :-(12:32
kwwiiI like on that entry in the kmenu and it does to the boot messages and freezes12:33
kwwiis/like/klik12:33
kwwiierm, s/does/goes12:34
kwwiialthough...doesn't kubuntu cache images somehow?12:37
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kwwiiit worked the second time around12:40
kwwii:-)12:40
kwwiithe kmenu stuff, I mean12:40
Riddellblame usplash12:43
kwwiiyeah, that is exactly what I thought too :-)12:44
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kwwiiRiddell: do you know what the Custom.xml in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu is for?01:08
Riddellgood question01:09
Riddellnothing at all I presume01:09
kwwii:-)01:10
tomamorning01:27
kwwiimorning? which part of the world do you live in?01:27
tomakwwii: i believe thats called europe01:30
kwwiitoma: then why "morning"? erm, I get your point now01:31
tomakwwii: hmmm, you are right, better go to bed now.01:32
tomalater01:32
kwwii:-901:34
kwwiinight01:34
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kwwiisleep well, see you tomorrow01:34
kwwiisleep tight, don't let the bed-bugs bite, and if they do, we'll cut 'em in two and eat 'em in the morning in bed-bug stew01:35
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Riddellplease read, all suggestions welcome: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuNewsletter01:53
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bddebianHOwdy02:23
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Hobbseehi all03:49
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poimenI ordered 8 kubuntu cds and 8 ubuntu pc cds 2 kubuntu 64 cds 1 ubuntu 64 and one ubuntu mac cd :)  06:47
UbugtuUbuntu bug 64 in pwlib "pwlib: FTBFS: Shared libraries without -fPIC." [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6406:47
imbrandonhahah *smaks ubugtu*06:48
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\shmoins11:14
\shcan someone order kubuntu cds also via normal ship it pages? I just pre ordered a lot from the normal ship it channel11:15
OculusAquilaeI can order them from shipit.kubuntu.org 11:17
\shbut shipit.ubuntu.com should work as well, right?11:19
OculusAquilaedon't know11:20
freeflying-g4\sh: seems shipit.kubuntu.org works for kubuntu11:20
\shwell I put a "Only Kubuntu Dapper CDs" in my order request ...:)11:20
\shbecause I ordered more then the normal ammount ;)11:20
freeflying-g4\sh: how can you order more than nomal ammount?  11:21
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\shre11:25
OculusAquilae<freeflying-g4> \sh: how can you order more than nomal ammount?11:25
\shfreeflying-g4: there is a "individual ammount" section in shipit (or was) and I entered my individual ammount of cds11:25
OculusAquilaeok11:26
freeflying-g4\sh: thx11:26
\shanyways...kubuntu cds will be only available for i386 and amd64 as I read now..11:26
\shnext thing on my agenda is: can someone elaborate a bit on the new community council for kubuntu? because I didn't find any announcement somewhere that kubuntu is doing this..so some of us were never informed..:(11:27
freeflying-g4\sh: Riddell has a mail to kubuntu-devel11:29
\shfreeflying-g4: you mean the mail from 2006-05-11 with kubuntu meeting in half an hour?11:30
\shI checked the agenda, and there was nothing mentioned about voting about a council at this day..or I was to late and the agenda was removed11:31
freeflying-g4\sh: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-May/001217.html11:31
\shah yes..the result of the meeting :) I read it today :) but where was the announcement :)11:32
freeflying-g4\sh: no announcement   :)11:32
\shthat was the problem :)11:32
\shRiddell: ping please can you sum up a bit about the work of the council what is the purpose the rights etc. so I can prepare an announcement for kubuntu.de11:34
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\shmoins Tonio_11:41
Tonio_hey \sh11:41
\shTonio_: congrats :) for the place in the new council :) do me a favour and sum up the ideas behind it and the purpose and the rights of the council...just because I didn't find any announcement for electing one etc. I want to right an announcement for kubuntu.de :) query is welcome :)11:42
Tonio_\sh: hehe, thanks :)11:42
\shs/right/write/11:43
\shI'm not really awake :)11:43
Tonio_\sh: except I have to explain jonathan that my name is Mercatante, not Mercantine :)11:43
\shyeah :)11:43
Tonio_\sh: want a summary ? well, the kubuntu councyl will act exactly like the ubuntu one, except it will only elect members and not coredevs11:44
Tonio_appart from that it is exactly the same11:44
Tonio_it'll be able to take technical decisions too11:44
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\sh__grmpf11:45
\sh__my connection is crap today11:45
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Tonio_hum, did you receive my messages ?11:46
\shyes...11:46
Tonio_okay11:46
\shso it's totally separated from the ubuntu community council...but the purpose and rights to vote for members are the same.11:46
\sh(devs and coredevs are voted by the TB :)11:46
Tonio_\sh: exactly11:49
Tonio_hum, a kubunu member will de facto be an ubuntu one, and therefore a dev too ;)11:50
Tonio_oups sorry I missed with motus...11:50
Tonio_so yes, only members will be elected11:50
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\shwell, but a member has no upload rights, only devs and devs are voted by the TB11:52
\shok...the kubuntu community council is elected for one year, right?11:54
Tonio_yes, one year11:55
\shok...article published :)12:07
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kmonRiddell: nice newsletter12:08
\shfor the germans: www.kubuntu.de :) news published about the community council of kubuntu :)12:09
kmonor for konqueror users with bablefish ;)12:10
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\shhehe12:10
kmonsomeone needs to ask the wiki webmaster to include kubuntu.org in the certificate information12:15
kmonthe redirection wiki.kubuntu.org always complains12:15
Riddell\sh: how do you order more than the normal amount?12:25
\shRiddell: last week shipit was looking differently12:25
\shthere was a second section about ordering more then the normal ammounts for other purposes then the private use12:26
\she.g. for LUGs and spreading ubuntu/kubuntu in the company12:26
Tonio_has someone succesfully booted with kernel 2.6.15-23-386 ??12:27
Tonio_fails here, but works with any other version12:27
RiddellI know they had that in testing but they removed it to fix something, it'll be back next week.  maybe you got lucky somehow :)12:27
\shRiddell: well, I need at least 300 kubuntu i386 cds and 150 amd64bit versions12:28
\sh    *  500 CDs requested in 2006-05-14. This request was not approved, so no CDs were shipped.12:28
Tonio_Riddell: okay ;)12:28
\shRiddell: other thing...LWE 2006 Cologne in November ... 12:29
\shRiddell: interested in participating? :)12:30
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Riddellnovember is two releases away, I've no idea what I'm doing :)12:33
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\shRiddell: well..we are starting with the preparations for the booth in 2-3 months, but amu and I are going to find some sponsors already :)12:34
\shfor some hardware (TFTs, Workstations etc.(12:34
kmonRiddell: ubuntu (gnome) dapper will ship with an excerpt of the official ubuntu book in example content. I'm thinking about if it could be possible to include an excerpt of the kubuntu chapter made by jjesse12:37
kmonin the example content of kubuntu12:38
Riddellkmon: only an excert?12:38
RiddellI thought it would be the whole thing12:38
kmondon't know12:38
kmonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseRadar12:38
kmonthere states excerpt12:38
Riddellhmm, yes, I'll try and find out what's going to be included12:40
kmongreat12:40
kmonand remember to ask the webmaster of the wiki to include your redirection before the release ;)12:42
kmonwiki.kubuntu.org12:42
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MrFaberhi all03:22
Hobbseehi MrFaber 03:23
MrFaberhi Hobbsee :)03:23
MrFaberTonio_: you there?03:24
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pygiHobbsee, nice :)03:24
kmonHobbsee: some of them have been pushed into kde3.5.303:24
pygiimplement them? :)03:24
Hobbseethey're alpha...or beta...but...03:24
OculusAquilaeSuSE? Fast?03:25
MrFabercool03:25
Hobbseepygi: cant, after feature freeze - and dapper's supposed to be about stability03:25
OculusAquilaebut why not03:25
Hobbseekmon: oh good :)03:25
pygiHobbsee, I am talking about implementing it in edgy :)03:25
Hobbseeah..  edgy repos arent open yet, and i dont kno wwhere they are, or how to put them in03:25
pygiHobbsee, ah :)03:26
Hobbseeoh, and i dont have upload privs :P03:27
MrFaberWhat could be the reason for this error: Error requesting name, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.20" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file03:29
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feydinhi there, will dapper drake support dmraid?04:13
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Tonio_hey ;)05:18
Tonio_anyone known how can I upload manually a pot file onto rosetta ?05:18
Tonio_wlassistant isn't translatable, due to scons usage05:18
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\shhmm..ask launchpad people ;)05:20
RiddellTonio_: how do you generate the .pot file?05:21
Tonio_Riddell: I have it, it is in the source, but rosetta cannot import it05:21
RiddellTonio_: carlos can import them manually, but you could also just put it in the source package05:21
Riddellwhy can't rosetta import it?05:21
Tonio_Riddell: I can register the product, but is this necessary ?05:21
Tonio_Riddell: there is no rosetta extraction patch05:21
Tonio_since the build system is scons ;) no kde.mk used05:21
Riddellkde.mk just generates the .pot, the buildds extract it05:22
Tonio_Riddell: hum...... then it is strange ;)05:22
Riddellwe just need to ask carlos why it's not being imported05:22
Tonio_Riddell: yes, what is his nick ?05:22
Riddellpossibly rossetta is getting confused by it only being in main recently05:22
Riddellcarlos05:22
Tonio_okay05:22
Riddellhe's not on just now05:22
Tonio_Riddell: I will wait for him to be on irc and I will ping him, thanks05:23
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Tonio_re06:46
Tonio_I just read the information that OOo will release a plugin for msoffice to read/write opendocument format ;) that pretty nice :)06:46
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freddyhi07:18
freddyhow can I compile knetworkmanager? I have no Makefile.cvs nor autogen.sh07:19
Riddellmake -f admin/Makfile.common07:19
Riddellbut we have packages in main07:19
freddyI don't have admin directory07:21
freddyI've downloaded the sources using subversion07:21
freddyI need to compile it by hand07:21
freddyhelp me please :(07:22
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freddyanyone?07:28
Riddellwhat url did you download from?07:32
Riddellprobably you need to be one up in the heirarchy07:33
freddyhttp://nouse.net/projects/KNetworkManager/07:33
freddyI've dl the .tar.bz207:33
freddyuntarred07:33
freddyand then??07:33
Riddellyou would be better off getting it form SVN07:34
freddygot it but I don't have makefile.cvs or auto<whatever>.sh07:40
freddyAUTHORS    configure.in.in  Doxyfile  knetworkmanager.conf      Makefile.am  pics    src07:41
freddyChangeLog  COPYING          INSTALL   knetworkmanager.kdevelop  NEWS         README  TODO07:41
Riddellfrom where?07:43
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freddythe current svn07:46
freddyI've tried to use kdevelop but it tells that autogen and Makefile.cvs are missing07:46
Riddellwhat URL?07:47
freddysvn!07:49
freddysvn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdereview/knetworkmanager knetworkmanager07:50
Riddellyou need the directory above that07:52
Riddellkdereview07:52
freddythanks! and then how can I compile knetworkmanager only?07:53
Riddellrun make in the knetworkmanager directory07:54
Riddellor delete all the other directories before running make -f Makefile.cvs07:54
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mndohi!08:01
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Riddellhello mndo 08:03
mndosorry taking so long to come here, but these a very busy days..08:06
RiddellI'm guessing you're a SoC student?08:07
mndoyes i am..  i made an application for adding lvm support to kubuntu installer..08:08
freddythanks Riddell !!!08:09
freddynow I have to understand why knetworkmanager needs serviceiface.h because it can't find it08:09
Riddellfreddy: you'd be better off asking in #kde-devel or a suse devel channel about knetworkmanager stuff08:10
freddythanks!!08:10
Riddellfreddy: the knetworkmanager in svn uses a modified kdepim08:10
Riddellwhich we don't have08:10
Riddellapt-get source knetworkmanager for our sources to find out how we work around it08:10
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Riddellmndo: ah yes, you want to fix up qtparted08:11
freddyerm... I am not running ubuntu :(08:12
Riddellfreddy: what are you running?08:12
freddygentoo08:13
Riddellmndo: so as I say there's probably larger problems with qtparted than missing LVM support, but if you fix them as you come accross them when adding LVM support that would like a very worth while project08:13
Riddellfreddy: any reason you're asking in this channel then?08:14
freddyyes, because gentoo ppl are egocentric08:14
freddyand you not08:14
Riddelloh I'm very egocentric.  I kick arse infact08:14
freddy:D08:14
mndoriddell: downloading cvs snapshot..08:15
freddythey consider themselves gods, and gods don't help poor ppl08:15
RiddellI consider every a god :)08:15
Riddelleveryone08:15
freddycould you send me the ubuntu sources for knetworkmanager?08:16
Riddellget it from archive.ubuntu.com08:16
Riddellin pool/main08:16
Riddellmndo: you may want to apt-get source qtparted to look at the installer patch I made08:17
freddythanks!!08:17
Riddellmndo: plus debian may have a newer version of libparted which we'll be switching to after dapper is released08:18
Riddellgetting qtparted working on macs would be lovely08:18
Riddellmndo: what's your coding experience?08:18
freddydoesn't seem to work, I've applied ubuntu patches to the sources but it still needs serviceiface.h08:20
freddymumble...08:20
freddyit's from kdepim08:21
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freddygot it, 3.5.208:21
freddyI get it from svn08:23
freddyand copy to the include dir08:23
mndoriddell i made lots of C programming, posix mostly.. My major has a very strong C component..08:25
Riddellmndo: had any qt experience?08:29
freddyg2g now08:29
freddythanks a lot Riddell 08:29
Riddellyou're welcome08:29
mndoriddell: just with kdevelop..08:29
Riddellmndo: sounds fine08:29
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Riddellqt is easy to pick up anyway :)08:30
Riddellthe difficult part will be libparted I'd guess08:30
mornfall|mxlibparted is C right?08:31
mndoyes, the hard work will be libparted..08:31
mornfall|mx(just that C and C++ are really different languages)08:31
Riddellmornfall|mx: yes, it's "fairly object orientated" C08:31
Riddellmornfall|mx: how's mexico?08:33
mornfall|mxquite fine08:34
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Riddellmornfall|mx: you can see my /msg ?08:42
mornfall|mxRiddell: with the non-mx nick yes, but ssh is kind of slooow08:42
mornfall|mx21 packets transmitted, 8 received, 61% packet loss, time 20061ms08:42
mornfall|mxno wonder08:42
freeflyingany one use tex in dapper?08:49
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poimensomoen knows a internet site that is paying for translations or something? I need to make $300  a month and no job around here??09:39
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OculusAquilaehm KTorrent's translations of the source-package don't go into the .deb10:09
OculusAquilaealthough they got installed via a manual "make install"10:10
OculusAquilaeRiddell: ping10:12
RiddellOculusAquilae: hi10:35
OculusAquilaehi Riddell 10:35
OculusAquilaeRiddell: seems that you didn't have uploaded this kaffeine-patch (for dvd-playback)10:37
OculusAquilaeRiddell: was bug #3713110:38
UbugtuMalone bug 37131 in kdebase "can't play dvd's with kaffeine using the kde window for removable devices" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3713110:38
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OculusAquilaeRiddell: http://oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu/kaffeine/kubuntu_07_system_media.diff -- here it is10:45
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crimsunOculusAquilae: please attach the diff to the bug report.10:58
OculusAquilaeok10:58
OculusAquilaecrimsun: done11:02
crimsunthanks11:02
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Tonio_Riddell: ping ?11:32
Tonio_Riddell: scripts don't work with latest amarok since ruby sin't installed...11:32
Tonio_Riddell: wouldn't that be intereteing to make kubuntu-desktop or amarok depend on it ?11:33
Tonio_Riddell: scripts like "lyrics" causing error message is a usability issue...11:33
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bddebianHowdy folks11:50
pygihey bddebian 11:50
bddebianKDE can handle .desktop files being in /usr/share/applications rights?11:50
bddebians/rights/right/11:50
crimsunthey showed up for me11:50
bddebianHi pygi11:50
pygibddebian, it is supposed to handle them11:51
bddebianSo if a package currently installs .desktop in /usr/share/Applnk/Applications/foo.desktop and I move it to /usr/share/applications/foo.desktop, I should be OK, right?11:52
bddebianBTW, this is for Bug #44525 if anyone cares :-)11:52
UbugtuMalone bug 44525 in krusader "icons of opera and krusader" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4452511:52
Riddellbddebian: yes11:53
Riddellbddebian: it'll need a Categories= line11:53
bddebianaYE11:53
RiddellTonio_: it does suggest it11:53
Tonio_Riddell: I know, but well.... will most people read the suggested packages ?11:54
RiddellI don't expect so11:55
Tonio_Riddell: that's not a problem for me or you, but for people who want something running "out of the box", that's not convenient to my opinion...11:55
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Tonio_and amarok isn't a simple utility, it is one of the most awaited softwares by people who will install kubuntu, so....11:56
Tonio_Riddell: I know the logical way is to make amarok suggest on it and not depend on it, since it is not required to work11:57
Tonio_Riddell: that's why I suggested to make kubuntu-desktop depend on ruby11:58
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Tonio_and it is the same for k3b.... it complains cdrdao isn't installed... cdrdao is also "suggested", but that's not clean too...12:00
bddebianJust depend on all possible combinations of all packages! ;-)12:02
Tonio_bddebian: hehe, I don't want to come to that point but well...12:02

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