[12:03] <robotgeek> kwwii: :)
[12:03] <kwwii> robotgeek: not so funny, really....I have found lots of endianess problems in kde :-(
[12:04] <robotgeek> kwwii: oh, cause i am on ppc too. 
[12:04] <kwwii> hehe
[12:04] <kwwii> just open krita
[12:04] <robotgeek> i've had some weird problems with konqueror. 
[12:04] <kwwii> or make a screenshot with kaffiend
[12:04] <kwwii> spelling
[12:05] <robotgeek> okay, second
[12:08] <robotgeek> kwwii: i made a screenshot with kaffeine, seems fine?
[12:09] <kwwii> are the colors correct?
[12:09] <kwwii> or does it have a tint, perhaps green
[12:09] <robotgeek> kwwii: okay, what do you mean screenshot with kaffine (while playing videos in kaffine?)
[12:09] <kwwii> there is an option in kaffeine to make a screenshot of the film, try that
[12:10] <robotgeek> kk
[12:11] <robotgeek> kwwii: yeah, green tint
[12:11] <kwwii> and when you open krita, what color is the page?
[12:11] <kwwii> cyan?
[12:11] <robotgeek> i dont have krita installed, got rid of it yesterday. lemme install
[12:12] <kwwii> oh, don't worry
[12:12] <kwwii> I know it will be cyan
[12:12] <robotgeek> heh, okaty
[12:12] <kwwii> and all the pics you open in it are fscked as well
[12:12] <robotgeek> good to know :)
[12:13] <robotgeek> if i hit colon in konqueror address bar, it moves to the end (like ctrl + e in bash)
[12:13] <kwwii> does not happen here
[12:13] <robotgeek> i think i'll reinstall sometime soon
[12:13] <kwwii> but I had problems with my keyboard so I edited my xorg conf myself
[12:13] <kwwii> I had no @ key
[12:14] <kwwii> it is bad enough that on mac the @ key ends up being apple-Q which, under osx or 9 is quit
[12:15] <kwwii> I can hear the distant laughter of some crazy linux developer everytime I press it
[12:15] <kwwii> "serves me right for ever using something other than linux" 
[12:15] <robotgeek> lol
[12:15] <robotgeek> i havent used os x in 2 years now
[12:16] <kwwii> dude, I still have hardware video editing stuff that needs os9
[12:16] <kwwii> welcome to the world of proffesional art
[12:16] <kwwii> most studios are just now slowly changing to osx
[12:16] <robotgeek> kwwii: hmm, os 9? theres still stuff that runs on os9. weird
[12:16] <kwwii> ever heard of media100?
[12:17] <robotgeek> nope, engineer by profession
[12:17] <kwwii> it is a pretty decent lower-level profi video editing hardware/software platform
[12:18] <robotgeek> i installed ubuntu cause it was extremely painful to do engg stuff on os x, despite its unixiness
[12:18] <kwwii> that is totally true
[12:18] <kwwii> what kind of eng are you into?
[12:18] <kwwii> I studied civil eng
[12:18] <robotgeek> mechanical engg, with specialization in controls
[12:18] <kwwii> built toxic and medical landfills
[12:18] <kwwii> good for you
[12:19] <kwwii> I did a practicum in mech eng
[12:19] <kwwii> interesting stuff
[12:19] <robotgeek> found a job opening through odt.kde.org , lol
[12:19] <kwwii> but I wanted to build bridges
[12:19] <kwwii> hehe
[12:19] <kwwii> never did
[12:19] <kwwii> now I make pretty pictures
[12:20] <kwwii> which is better than destroying the environment
[12:20] <kwwii> anyway.../me works on kdm
[12:20] <robotgeek> kwwii: :)
[12:20] <robotgeek> i work on documentation (Desktop Guide, your truly)
[12:21] <kwwii> killler!
[12:21] <Riddell> robotgeek: how did you find a job on the dot?
[12:21] <kwwii> if you ever need any help, just let me know
[12:22] <robotgeek> Riddell: i dint find a job, i found a opening
[12:22] <Riddell> how did you find that?
[12:22] <robotgeek> kwwii: sure, i'm actively looking right now
[12:23] <robotgeek> http://dot.kde.org/1147698188/ Riddell , that company had a linux + labview opening
[12:24] <robotgeek> Riddell: totally strange where you can find openings in my area :)
[12:24] <kwwii> robotgeek: you got that job recently, or?
[12:24] <kwwii> I remeber someone saying something like that
[12:24] <robotgeek> kwwii: no, i am looking for jobs right now. i applied for a position in that company today
[12:25] <Riddell> good to know my hour of editing that article was well spent
[12:25] <robotgeek> Riddell: :)
[12:26] <kwwii> Riddell: so I can just send you amarok bugs in the meantime?
[12:26] <kwwii> lol
[12:26] <kwwii> brb...testing my xml
[12:29] <robotgeek> kwwii: alrite, gotta go cook dinner. cya sometime later
[12:31] <kwwii> ok, found another bug
[12:31] <kwwii> k-menu, switch user, start new session makes my system freeze
[12:31] <kwwii> and the svg, is fskced up at first, but looks ok later
[12:31] <kwwii> better to use a png
[12:32] <kwwii> but I do not think logging out for every test is a nice way to edit the kubuntu.xml file :-(
[12:33] <kwwii> I like on that entry in the kmenu and it does to the boot messages and freezes
[12:33] <kwwii> s/like/klik
[12:34] <kwwii> erm, s/does/goes
[12:37] <kwwii> although...doesn't kubuntu cache images somehow?
[12:40] <kwwii> it worked the second time around
[12:40] <kwwii> :-)
[12:40] <kwwii> the kmenu stuff, I mean
[12:43] <Riddell> blame usplash
[12:44] <kwwii> yeah, that is exactly what I thought too :-)
[01:08] <kwwii> Riddell: do you know what the Custom.xml in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu is for?
[01:09] <Riddell> good question
[01:09] <Riddell> nothing at all I presume
[01:10] <kwwii> :-)
[01:27] <toma> morning
[01:27] <kwwii> morning? which part of the world do you live in?
[01:30] <toma> kwwii: i believe thats called europe
[01:31] <kwwii> toma: then why "morning"? erm, I get your point now
[01:32] <toma> kwwii: hmmm, you are right, better go to bed now.
[01:32] <toma> later
[01:34] <kwwii> :-9
[01:34] <kwwii> night
[01:34] <kwwii> sleep well, see you tomorrow
[01:35] <kwwii> sleep tight, don't let the bed-bugs bite, and if they do, we'll cut 'em in two and eat 'em in the morning in bed-bug stew
[01:53] <Riddell> please read, all suggestions welcome: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuNewsletter
[02:23] <bddebian> HOwdy
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:47] <poimen> I ordered 8 kubuntu cds and 8 ubuntu pc cds 2 kubuntu 64 cds 1 ubuntu 64 and one ubuntu mac cd :)  
[06:47] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug 64 in pwlib "pwlib: FTBFS: Shared libraries without -fPIC." [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=64
[06:48] <imbrandon> hahah *smaks ubugtu*
[11:14] <\sh> moins
[11:15] <\sh> can someone order kubuntu cds also via normal ship it pages? I just pre ordered a lot from the normal ship it channel
[11:17] <OculusAquilae> I can order them from shipit.kubuntu.org 
[11:19] <\sh> but shipit.ubuntu.com should work as well, right?
[11:20] <OculusAquilae> don't know
[11:20] <freeflying-g4> \sh: seems shipit.kubuntu.org works for kubuntu
[11:20] <\sh> well I put a "Only Kubuntu Dapper CDs" in my order request ...:)
[11:20] <\sh> because I ordered more then the normal ammount ;)
[11:21] <freeflying-g4> \sh: how can you order more than nomal ammount?  
[11:25] <\sh> re
 \sh: how can you order more than nomal ammount?
[11:25] <\sh> freeflying-g4: there is a "individual ammount" section in shipit (or was) and I entered my individual ammount of cds
[11:26] <OculusAquilae> ok
[11:26] <freeflying-g4> \sh: thx
[11:26] <\sh> anyways...kubuntu cds will be only available for i386 and amd64 as I read now..
[11:27] <\sh> next thing on my agenda is: can someone elaborate a bit on the new community council for kubuntu? because I didn't find any announcement somewhere that kubuntu is doing this..so some of us were never informed..:(
[11:29] <freeflying-g4> \sh: Riddell has a mail to kubuntu-devel
[11:30] <\sh> freeflying-g4: you mean the mail from 2006-05-11 with kubuntu meeting in half an hour?
[11:31] <\sh> I checked the agenda, and there was nothing mentioned about voting about a council at this day..or I was to late and the agenda was removed
[11:31] <freeflying-g4> \sh: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-May/001217.html
[11:32] <\sh> ah yes..the result of the meeting :) I read it today :) but where was the announcement :)
[11:32] <freeflying-g4> \sh: no announcement   :)
[11:32] <\sh> that was the problem :)
[11:34] <\sh> Riddell: ping please can you sum up a bit about the work of the council what is the purpose the rights etc. so I can prepare an announcement for kubuntu.de
[11:41] <\sh> moins Tonio_
[11:41] <Tonio_> hey \sh
[11:42] <\sh> Tonio_: congrats :) for the place in the new council :) do me a favour and sum up the ideas behind it and the purpose and the rights of the council...just because I didn't find any announcement for electing one etc. I want to right an announcement for kubuntu.de :) query is welcome :)
[11:42] <Tonio_> \sh: hehe, thanks :)
[11:43] <\sh> s/right/write/
[11:43] <\sh> I'm not really awake :)
[11:43] <Tonio_> \sh: except I have to explain jonathan that my name is Mercatante, not Mercantine :)
[11:43] <\sh> yeah :)
[11:44] <Tonio_> \sh: want a summary ? well, the kubuntu councyl will act exactly like the ubuntu one, except it will only elect members and not coredevs
[11:44] <Tonio_> appart from that it is exactly the same
[11:44] <Tonio_> it'll be able to take technical decisions too
[11:45] <\sh__> grmpf
[11:45] <\sh__> my connection is crap today
[11:46] <Tonio_> hum, did you receive my messages ?
[11:46] <\sh> yes...
[11:46] <Tonio_> okay
[11:46] <\sh> so it's totally separated from the ubuntu community council...but the purpose and rights to vote for members are the same.
[11:46] <\sh> (devs and coredevs are voted by the TB :)
[11:49] <Tonio_> \sh: exactly
[11:50] <Tonio_> hum, a kubunu member will de facto be an ubuntu one, and therefore a dev too ;)
[11:50] <Tonio_> oups sorry I missed with motus...
[11:50] <Tonio_> so yes, only members will be elected
[11:52] <\sh> well, but a member has no upload rights, only devs and devs are voted by the TB
[11:54] <\sh> ok...the kubuntu community council is elected for one year, right?
[11:55] <Tonio_> yes, one year
[12:07] <\sh> ok...article published :)
[12:08] <kmon> Riddell: nice newsletter
[12:09] <\sh> for the germans: www.kubuntu.de :) news published about the community council of kubuntu :)
[12:10] <kmon> or for konqueror users with bablefish ;)
[12:10] <\sh> hehe
[12:15] <kmon> someone needs to ask the wiki webmaster to include kubuntu.org in the certificate information
[12:15] <kmon> the redirection wiki.kubuntu.org always complains
[12:25] <Riddell> \sh: how do you order more than the normal amount?
[12:25] <\sh> Riddell: last week shipit was looking differently
[12:26] <\sh> there was a second section about ordering more then the normal ammounts for other purposes then the private use
[12:26] <\sh> e.g. for LUGs and spreading ubuntu/kubuntu in the company
[12:27] <Tonio_> has someone succesfully booted with kernel 2.6.15-23-386 ??
[12:27] <Tonio_> fails here, but works with any other version
[12:27] <Riddell> I know they had that in testing but they removed it to fix something, it'll be back next week.  maybe you got lucky somehow :)
[12:28] <\sh> Riddell: well, I need at least 300 kubuntu i386 cds and 150 amd64bit versions
[12:28] <\sh>     *  500 CDs requested in 2006-05-14. This request was not approved, so no CDs were shipped.
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;)
[12:29] <\sh> Riddell: other thing...LWE 2006 Cologne in November ... 
[12:30] <\sh> Riddell: interested in participating? :)
[12:33] <Riddell> november is two releases away, I've no idea what I'm doing :)
[12:34] <\sh> Riddell: well..we are starting with the preparations for the booth in 2-3 months, but amu and I are going to find some sponsors already :)
[12:34] <\sh> for some hardware (TFTs, Workstations etc.(
[12:37] <kmon> Riddell: ubuntu (gnome) dapper will ship with an excerpt of the official ubuntu book in example content. I'm thinking about if it could be possible to include an excerpt of the kubuntu chapter made by jjesse
[12:38] <kmon> in the example content of kubuntu
[12:38] <Riddell> kmon: only an excert?
[12:38] <Riddell> I thought it would be the whole thing
[12:38] <kmon> don't know
[12:38] <kmon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseRadar
[12:38] <kmon> there states excerpt
[12:40] <Riddell> hmm, yes, I'll try and find out what's going to be included
[12:40] <kmon> great
[12:42] <kmon> and remember to ask the webmaster of the wiki to include your redirection before the release ;)
[12:42] <kmon> wiki.kubuntu.org
[03:22] <MrFaber> hi all
[03:23] <Hobbsee> hi MrFaber 
[03:23] <MrFaber> hi Hobbsee :)
[03:24] <MrFaber> Tonio_: you there?
[03:24] <pygi> Hobbsee, nice :)
[03:24] <kmon> Hobbsee: some of them have been pushed into kde3.5.3
[03:24] <pygi> implement them? :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> they're alpha...or beta...but...
[03:25] <OculusAquilae> SuSE? Fast?
[03:25] <MrFaber> cool
[03:25] <Hobbsee> pygi: cant, after feature freeze - and dapper's supposed to be about stability
[03:25] <OculusAquilae> but why not
[03:25] <Hobbsee> kmon: oh good :)
[03:25] <pygi> Hobbsee, I am talking about implementing it in edgy :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> ah..  edgy repos arent open yet, and i dont kno wwhere they are, or how to put them in
[03:26] <pygi> Hobbsee, ah :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> oh, and i dont have upload privs :P
[03:29] <MrFaber> What could be the reason for this error: Error requesting name, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.20" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file
[04:13] <feydin> hi there, will dapper drake support dmraid?
[05:18] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[05:18] <Tonio_> anyone known how can I upload manually a pot file onto rosetta ?
[05:18] <Tonio_> wlassistant isn't translatable, due to scons usage
[05:20] <\sh> hmm..ask launchpad people ;)
[05:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: how do you generate the .pot file?
[05:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have it, it is in the source, but rosetta cannot import it
[05:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: carlos can import them manually, but you could also just put it in the source package
[05:21] <Riddell> why can't rosetta import it?
[05:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can register the product, but is this necessary ?
[05:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is no rosetta extraction patch
[05:21] <Tonio_> since the build system is scons ;) no kde.mk used
[05:22] <Riddell> kde.mk just generates the .pot, the buildds extract it
[05:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum...... then it is strange ;)
[05:22] <Riddell> we just need to ask carlos why it's not being imported
[05:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, what is his nick ?
[05:22] <Riddell> possibly rossetta is getting confused by it only being in main recently
[05:22] <Riddell> carlos
[05:22] <Tonio_> okay
[05:22] <Riddell> he's not on just now
[05:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will wait for him to be on irc and I will ping him, thanks
[06:46] <Tonio_> re
[06:46] <Tonio_> I just read the information that OOo will release a plugin for msoffice to read/write opendocument format ;) that pretty nice :)
[07:18] <freddy> hi
[07:19] <freddy> how can I compile knetworkmanager? I have no Makefile.cvs nor autogen.sh
[07:19] <Riddell> make -f admin/Makfile.common
[07:19] <Riddell> but we have packages in main
[07:21] <freddy> I don't have admin directory
[07:21] <freddy> I've downloaded the sources using subversion
[07:21] <freddy> I need to compile it by hand
[07:22] <freddy> help me please :(
[07:28] <freddy> anyone?
[07:32] <Riddell> what url did you download from?
[07:33] <Riddell> probably you need to be one up in the heirarchy
[07:33] <freddy> http://nouse.net/projects/KNetworkManager/
[07:33] <freddy> I've dl the .tar.bz2
[07:33] <freddy> untarred
[07:33] <freddy> and then??
[07:34] <Riddell> you would be better off getting it form SVN
[07:40] <freddy> got it but I don't have makefile.cvs or auto<whatever>.sh
[07:41] <freddy> AUTHORS    configure.in.in  Doxyfile  knetworkmanager.conf      Makefile.am  pics    src
[07:41] <freddy> ChangeLog  COPYING          INSTALL   knetworkmanager.kdevelop  NEWS         README  TODO
[07:43] <Riddell> from where?
[07:46] <freddy> the current svn
[07:46] <freddy> I've tried to use kdevelop but it tells that autogen and Makefile.cvs are missing
[07:47] <Riddell> what URL?
[07:49] <freddy> svn!
[07:50] <freddy> svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdereview/knetworkmanager knetworkmanager
[07:52] <Riddell> you need the directory above that
[07:52] <Riddell> kdereview
[07:53] <freddy> thanks! and then how can I compile knetworkmanager only?
[07:54] <Riddell> run make in the knetworkmanager directory
[07:54] <Riddell> or delete all the other directories before running make -f Makefile.cvs
[08:01] <mndo> hi!
[08:03] <Riddell> hello mndo 
[08:06] <mndo> sorry taking so long to come here, but these a very busy days..
[08:07] <Riddell> I'm guessing you're a SoC student?
[08:08] <mndo> yes i am..  i made an application for adding lvm support to kubuntu installer..
[08:09] <freddy> thanks Riddell !!!
[08:09] <freddy> now I have to understand why knetworkmanager needs serviceiface.h because it can't find it
[08:10] <Riddell> freddy: you'd be better off asking in #kde-devel or a suse devel channel about knetworkmanager stuff
[08:10] <freddy> thanks!!
[08:10] <Riddell> freddy: the knetworkmanager in svn uses a modified kdepim
[08:10] <Riddell> which we don't have
[08:10] <Riddell> apt-get source knetworkmanager for our sources to find out how we work around it
[08:11] <Riddell> mndo: ah yes, you want to fix up qtparted
[08:12] <freddy> erm... I am not running ubuntu :(
[08:12] <Riddell> freddy: what are you running?
[08:13] <freddy> gentoo
[08:13] <Riddell> mndo: so as I say there's probably larger problems with qtparted than missing LVM support, but if you fix them as you come accross them when adding LVM support that would like a very worth while project
[08:14] <Riddell> freddy: any reason you're asking in this channel then?
[08:14] <freddy> yes, because gentoo ppl are egocentric
[08:14] <freddy> and you not
[08:14] <Riddell> oh I'm very egocentric.  I kick arse infact
[08:14] <freddy> :D
[08:15] <mndo> riddell: downloading cvs snapshot..
[08:15] <freddy> they consider themselves gods, and gods don't help poor ppl
[08:15] <Riddell> I consider every a god :)
[08:15] <Riddell> everyone
[08:16] <freddy> could you send me the ubuntu sources for knetworkmanager?
[08:16] <Riddell> get it from archive.ubuntu.com
[08:16] <Riddell> in pool/main
[08:17] <Riddell> mndo: you may want to apt-get source qtparted to look at the installer patch I made
[08:17] <freddy> thanks!!
[08:18] <Riddell> mndo: plus debian may have a newer version of libparted which we'll be switching to after dapper is released
[08:18] <Riddell> getting qtparted working on macs would be lovely
[08:18] <Riddell> mndo: what's your coding experience?
[08:20] <freddy> doesn't seem to work, I've applied ubuntu patches to the sources but it still needs serviceiface.h
[08:20] <freddy> mumble...
[08:21] <freddy> it's from kdepim
[08:21] <freddy> got it, 3.5.2
[08:23] <freddy> I get it from svn
[08:23] <freddy> and copy to the include dir
[08:25] <mndo> riddell i made lots of C programming, posix mostly.. My major has a very strong C component..
[08:29] <Riddell> mndo: had any qt experience?
[08:29] <freddy> g2g now
[08:29] <freddy> thanks a lot Riddell 
[08:29] <Riddell> you're welcome
[08:29] <mndo> riddell: just with kdevelop..
[08:29] <Riddell> mndo: sounds fine
[08:30] <Riddell> qt is easy to pick up anyway :)
[08:30] <Riddell> the difficult part will be libparted I'd guess
[08:31] <mornfall|mx> libparted is C right?
[08:31] <mndo> yes, the hard work will be libparted..
[08:31] <mornfall|mx> (just that C and C++ are really different languages)
[08:31] <Riddell> mornfall|mx: yes, it's "fairly object orientated" C
[08:33] <Riddell> mornfall|mx: how's mexico?
[08:34] <mornfall|mx> quite fine
[08:42] <Riddell> mornfall|mx: you can see my /msg ?
[08:42] <mornfall|mx> Riddell: with the non-mx nick yes, but ssh is kind of slooow
[08:42] <mornfall|mx> 21 packets transmitted, 8 received, 61% packet loss, time 20061ms
[08:42] <mornfall|mx> no wonder
[08:49] <freeflying> any one use tex in dapper?
[09:39] <poimen> somoen knows a internet site that is paying for translations or something? I need to make $300  a month and no job around here??
[10:09] <OculusAquilae> hm KTorrent's translations of the source-package don't go into the .deb
[10:10] <OculusAquilae> although they got installed via a manual "make install"
[10:12] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ping
[10:35] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: hi
[10:35] <OculusAquilae> hi Riddell 
[10:37] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: seems that you didn't have uploaded this kaffeine-patch (for dvd-playback)
[10:38] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: was bug #37131
[10:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37131 in kdebase "can't play dvd's with kaffeine using the kde window for removable devices" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37131
[10:45] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: http://oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu/kaffeine/kubuntu_07_system_media.diff -- here it is
[10:58] <crimsun> OculusAquilae: please attach the diff to the bug report.
[10:58] <OculusAquilae> ok
[11:02] <OculusAquilae> crimsun: done
[11:02] <crimsun> thanks
[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: scripts don't work with latest amarok since ruby sin't installed...
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: wouldn't that be intereteing to make kubuntu-desktop or amarok depend on it ?
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: scripts like "lyrics" causing error message is a usability issue...
[11:50] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[11:50] <pygi> hey bddebian 
[11:50] <bddebian> KDE can handle .desktop files being in /usr/share/applications rights?
[11:50] <bddebian> s/rights/right/
[11:50] <crimsun> they showed up for me
[11:50] <bddebian> Hi pygi
[11:51] <pygi> bddebian, it is supposed to handle them
[11:52] <bddebian> So if a package currently installs .desktop in /usr/share/Applnk/Applications/foo.desktop and I move it to /usr/share/applications/foo.desktop, I should be OK, right?
[11:52] <bddebian> BTW, this is for Bug #44525 if anyone cares :-)
[11:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44525 in krusader "icons of opera and krusader" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44525
[11:53] <Riddell> bddebian: yes
[11:53] <Riddell> bddebian: it'll need a Categories= line
[11:53] <bddebian> aYE
[11:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: it does suggest it
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know, but well.... will most people read the suggested packages ?
[11:55] <Riddell> I don't expect so
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's not a problem for me or you, but for people who want something running "out of the box", that's not convenient to my opinion...
[11:56] <Tonio_> and amarok isn't a simple utility, it is one of the most awaited softwares by people who will install kubuntu, so....
[11:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know the logical way is to make amarok suggest on it and not depend on it, since it is not required to work
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why I suggested to make kubuntu-desktop depend on ruby
[12:00] <Tonio_> and it is the same for k3b.... it complains cdrdao isn't installed... cdrdao is also "suggested", but that's not clean too...
[12:02] <bddebian> Just depend on all possible combinations of all packages! ;-)
[12:02] <Tonio_> bddebian: hehe, I don't want to come to that point but well...