[12:12] <klerfayt> woot my swap is gone
[12:18] <klerfayt> should I be worried that swap "is not available" in kdeinfocenter?
[12:19] <robotgeek> klerfayt: what does "mount" tell you
[12:20] <klerfayt> robotgeek: mount doesn't show swap either
[12:21] <robotgeek> klerfayt: same here, check /etc/fstab
[12:21] <klerfayt> robotgeek: strange - I'm using dapper without swap and haven't noticed it
[12:22] <klerfayt> robotgeek: /dev/sda2       none            swap    sw              0       0
[12:22] <nixternal> well well well...i tried initNG again and to no avail
[12:23] <nixternal> i got it to boot like a champ...and almost everything is working
[12:23] <nixternal> no network...anyone know how to fix this?
[12:23] <neoncode> Hey I just enabled backports in my sources.list and and ran dist-upgrade(after update obviously) And it listed a load of xserver stuff and amarok. Is that Xorg7 and amarok 1.4?
[12:23] <xst> I consider upgrading from breezer to dapper but how stable is dapper at the moment? Would you guys recommend that upgrade or should I wait?
[12:23] <neoncode> And will installing this break my system?
[12:23] <robotgeek> neoncode: backports from dapper should not work
[12:24] <neoncode> robotgeek: Eh? so should I run dist-upgrade? and this line was allready in my default sources.list. Just commented...
[12:25] <robotgeek> neoncode: or should not cause any harm (it should be empty)
[12:25] <neoncode> robotgeek: So, what do I do?
[12:26] <Bilford> how do you show how much hard drive space you have left on your desktop
[12:26] <robotgeek> neoncode: not sure, sorry
[12:26] <robotgeek> Bilford: df -kh
[12:26] <neoncode> robotgeek: Well is it likely to break anything?
[12:26] <robotgeek> neoncode: probably not
[12:27] <chx> is it possible to check which options are used for the kernel w/o downloading the source deb?
[12:27] <robotgeek> chx: /boot/config
[12:27] <Bilford> robotgeek: tthx, that will come in handy, but how do you have it always displayed on the desktop or tray
[12:27] <neoncode> robotgeek: Then run I shall!
[12:27] <chx> w00t
[12:27] <chx> that's nice
[12:28] <robotgeek> Bilford: not sure, might be an applet somewhere
[12:28] <Bilford> ok
[12:28] <bleaked> question, if i plug in a standard gamepad (non-usb) do i need to do something for the system to detect it?
[12:28] <klerfayt> free command says that my swap size is 0
[12:30] <DarkED> yipee
[12:30] <DarkED> no more xmms for me
[12:31] <DarkED> klerfayt, did you setup a swap partition?
[12:33] <EvilIdler> bleaked: I'm using a Saitek P880, and it's just plug and play
[12:33] <klerfayt> DarkED: yes I did
[12:33] <unix_infidel> are there already prepackaged debs for the newest firefox (eg 1.5.0.3)
[12:35] <unix_infidel> does soanyone?
[12:36] <Bilford> Dapper automatically updates to latest FF
[12:37] <nixternal> anyone with initng experience?
[12:39] <Bilford> is there a main video player
[12:39] <Bilford> better than vlc
[12:40] <Bilford> actually, I only need to change one thing on vlc to make it perfect.. I'll see if I can find a way to configure it
[12:42] <darkelf> Quick question about apt, is there an unstable distribution branch like debian?
[12:44] <mindspin> darkelf: not really, unstable is like ah dapper
[12:45] <mindspin> there are "unsupported" repos like universe and multiverse
[12:46] <darkelf> is dapper the current "bleeding edge" repository?
[12:46] <mindspin> yup
[12:46] <mindspin> but there's a different logic in it
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> They are in the process of having an equivalent of debian sid - called Grumpy Groundhog - dunno when it will come into effect though
[12:47] <mindspin> h3sp4wn: isn't it edgy edge ?
[12:48] <darkelf> brb, need to fix my v880 cluster
[12:48] <XVampireX> edgy eft
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> mindspin: Afaik edgy eft is going to be the next release - Grumpy Groundhog will have a seperate pool and never be released (just stuff taken from it like sid)
[12:49] <mindspin> ic
[12:49] <darkelf> XVampireX, you haven't seen me when I'm edgy
[12:49] <XVampireX> Uhm
[12:49] <XVampireX> Kubuntu developers should wait for KDE4 before edgy
[12:50] <Bilford> does everyone have to go to about:config in FF and change IPV6 to speed it up
[12:50] <Bilford> Ive had to do that on every computer I install
[12:50] <mindspin> I did on hoary, but not won breezy
[12:50] <darkelf> Edgy is when I get called at 3am because some half-wit decides to screw up MPLS configs, reboot GSRs for no reason and change BGP policies causing massive route-loops
[12:50] <mindspin> on
[12:50] <adventureoflink> Hello
[12:51] <squalh0> hello evrybody
[12:51] <adventureoflink> Does anyone know if kubuntu can use duel core processors
[12:51] <squalh0> i've got  question about serial modems under kubuntu, is there anyone who can hel me?
[12:51] <adventureoflink> what's the problem
[12:52] <squalh0> it just can't be recognized
[12:52] <squalh0> first of all let me tell you that i'm a total novice
[12:52] <adventureoflink> type sudo lspci
[12:52] <darkelf> Anything related to obliterating configurations or uptime beyond beleif is dealt with 3 words: You are fired.
[12:53] <adventureoflink> that should probe your PCI slots for anything in them
[12:53] <squalh0> but i got a serial modem, on the COM1 port
[12:53] <adventureoflink> that I couldn't help with D:
[12:53] <adventureoflink> I about had a serial modem once, but my teacher was greedy D:<
[12:54] <darkelf> So, I can safely switch breezy to dapper in sources.list to obtain the equivalent of "unstable/sid" from debian?
[12:54] <adventureoflink> in any case, the biggest factor is: is it hardware or software based
[12:54] <squalh0> hardware, under windows works correctly even though was quite hard to find the right drivers
[12:55] <squalh0> so the problem should be in kubuntu (better: in me not able to use it :)
[12:55] <squalh0> is there any command to probe the serial ports?
[12:56] <adventureoflink> Does anyone know if kubuntu can use duel core processors
[12:56] <goldenear> adventureoflink: yes, kubuntu can do it
[12:57] <goldenear> adventureoflink: try: sudo apt-get install kernel-686-smp
[12:57] <squalh0> that is?
[12:58] <darkelf> squalh0, man modprobe - man insmod - check /proc/ entries (interrupts)
[12:58] <goldenear> squalh0: what are you trying to do exactly ?
[12:58] <squalh0> i have an external serial modem, but i can't get kubuntu recognize it
[12:59] <darkelf> adventureoflink, kubuntu is just a distribution, the linux kernel supports SMP
[12:59] <squalh0> KPPP just tell me that cannot open a communication with the modem
[01:00] <Bilford> is there a way to make right-click more stable
[01:00] <Bilford> you right click, and   it disappears
[01:00] <goldenear> squalh0: try: ls /sys/bus/serio/
[01:00] <Bilford> the right-click menu disappears
[01:01] <squalh0> well i can't try it right now because i have only a pc with the 2 OS
[01:01] <goldenear> Bilford: what to you mean ? which app ?
[01:02] <squalh0> what should i do once there?
[01:04] <adventureoflink> Thanks
[01:04] <goldenear> squalh0: try the ls command, it will list serial ports.
[01:05] <squalh0> ok, i should see whether there's the port where my modem is attached? i will try
[01:06] <squalh0> but this don't make kubuntu recognize the modem
[01:07] <neoncode> How do I play midi files?
[01:08] <squalh0> well now i've got to go, thanks for the help, i will be back here to ask you again if it doesn't works
[01:09] <darkelf> Is there any page that define the current repository branches available?
[01:09] <goldenear> squalh0: at least you'll see if the serial ports are recognized by the system. after you can try minicom to "ping" your modem with AT commands
[01:09] <goldenear> neoncode: try Timidity
[01:09] <darkelf> neoncode, install the appropriate media player with apt-get / adept.
[01:11] <Bilford> goldenear: right-clicking anything.  the right-click menu will disappear after a moment
[01:11] <neoncode> I have amarok, can I play it in that? Do I just need the right codec?
[01:13] <darkelf> neoncode, xmms/kaffeine can play midi files just fine (it installs the good libraries
[01:14] <goldenear> Bilford: I don't have this bug. What version of Kubuntu are you using ?
[01:18] <Bilford> it did it on Breezye and Dapper
[01:18] <Bizzeh> how would i set up a samba share on dapper?
[01:18] <Bilford> ok, I think it only does it when Im downloading
[01:19] <Bilford> I want to know  about that too
[01:19] <Bilford> seems like sharing folders on a network shouldnt require jumping through all those hoops like I see on the forums
[01:19] <Bilford> someone asks to share a folder, and you get a 3 page ansswer
[01:25] <Bilford> Bizzeh: did you figure it out
[01:27] <darkelf> Bilford, remind me, I can safely switch as we speak to dapper (distribution wise), add universe/multiverse and finally be on the bleeding edge?
[01:27] <Bizzeh> no, in sharing, it asks for root pass
[01:27] <Bizzeh> i give it
[01:28] <Bilford> http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[01:28] <Bizzeh> it still keeps me locked out
[01:28] <Bilford> darkelf: what?  you can change all the breezy in sources to dapper
[01:28] <darkelf> Bilford, is there a detailed list of the components available on the repositories?
[01:29] <Bilford> I dont know
[01:29] <darkelf> ok
[01:29] <darkelf> thanks
[01:32] <Bizzeh> what plugin can i get for the panel at the bottom to show current cpu and mem usage?
[01:33] <EM081L3> I am having a graphix issue can anyone help... I am getting a do device found error and I obviously do have a device but the GUI won't start, gives me a black screen and that no device found error
[01:34] <EM081L3> I am using a nVidia 7600 pci-x card
[01:34] <EM081L3> and it is a fresh install by the way
[01:35] <Bizzeh> search the wiki for nvidia binary
[01:35] <kronoz> !nvidia
[01:35] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[01:35] <Bizzeh> should link you over to the how to instal the propriatory nvidia drivers
[01:35] <Bizzeh> or you could just use that link :P
[01:36] <EM081L3> see there is one problem.. no gui so i can't use synoptic or nothing
[01:36] <Bizzeh> apt-get
[01:36] <Bizzeh> its just as easy to do this via cmdline
[01:37] <kronoz> EMO81L3, apt-get install whateverpackage
[01:39] <MgrVln> can anyone suggest a good video capture program for a hauppauge card
[01:41] <EM081L3> kronoz, i'm not exactly sure how to find the package needed for my card
[01:42] <Bizzeh> EM081L3: its the same for all
[01:42] <Bizzeh> can amarok not play video?
[01:43] <EM081L3> k well i'll go try it and if i have any more questions I'll be back
[01:43] <ahmeni> MgrVln: check out "dvr"
[01:43] <MgrVln> ty
[01:44] <ahmeni> MgrVln: err, do you need on-the-spot recording or timed recordings for TV?
[01:45] <MgrVln> ahmeni: just on the spot
[01:46] <kronoz> EMO81L3, sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[01:46] <kronoz> :\
[01:46] <Bizzeh> linux kernel still cant detect sse3?
[01:49] <evert> how can i shut down my computer at a certain time ?
[01:49] <rob> yes, use at
[01:49] <evert> at ?
[01:50] <rob> or cron if you want it to do so regularly
[01:50] <evert> can you give me a bit more explanation ? I'm new to linux :)
[01:51] <chx> is there a howto on kernel compiling for Ubuntu? I compiled my share of kernels in the distant past but kernel-package and such is new for me
[01:52] <rob> evert_, try Kcron
[01:52] <kronoz> would kde4 be like eft+1 ?
[01:53] <evert_> so i need to make a new task , the program is shutdown -h now ?
[01:53] <rob> yeah
[01:53] <rob> kronoz, nothing has been planed for eft/eft+1 yet
[01:53] <kronoz> might need to be run as root, i dunno
[01:54] <evert_> i can do 'sudo shutdown -h now'
[01:54] <evert_> but when the time is arrived , i have to fill in my root pas ?
[01:54] <rob> or you could just give yourself the ability to use reboot/shut down, you'll have to google which group to add yourself to though
[01:56] <kronoz> evert_, sudo visudo, and add %admin  ALL= NOPASSWD:(ALL) ALL
[01:56] <kronoz> NO DON'T DO THAT
[01:56] <kronoz> wrong sorry
[01:56] <kronoz> and caps not intended :p
[01:56] <evert_> ok
[01:58] <kronoz> evert_, sudo visudo, and add &admin  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/sbin/shutdown
[01:59] <kronoz> ok i think that is right, try it, if your are in the admin group, the first created user is, if you can sudo anyway you are, you should be able to shutdown without a password
[02:00] <evert_> ok thx
[02:01] <evert_> ok thx
[02:07] <darkelf> AWW CRAP
[02:07] <darkelf> my coding environment is all screwed up
[02:09] <obscurite> hi guys. i really like a bunch of KDE apps like Kate and Korganizer/Kaddressbook/Kontact and I was wondering if there is any advantage of running them on Kubuntu as opposed to Ubuntu/gnome.
[02:10] <rob> well, they use a different toolkit, so in Gnome the applications won't look like the others (although there are a few things you can do that help)
[02:10] <ahmeni> Other than you'd have to add the kubuntu repositories to your apt sources, there's no difference
[02:11] <rob> and they are not integrated with the Gnome environment as well as Gnome apps themselves
[02:11] <ahmeni> oh.. running them from within gnome.. eww
[02:11] <obscurite> i'm also thinking about using ubuntu/kubuntu on a subnotebook with a very slow hard drive and 512mb of ram. some people say KDE is heaver than gnome, and that xfce (xubuntu) is much lighter than either.
[02:12] <obscurite> but if i'm using lots of KDE and gnome apps, I'm not sure it matters performance wise what WM i use
[02:12] <rob> xubuntu might be better, but my laptop only has 512mb ram (but a faster HD) and runs kubuntu good
[02:12] <Armagguedes> anyone know how i can integrate ARK into the context menu (send to archive, extract etc..)
[02:13] <Bizzeh> does the latest kernel have the amd64 x2 cool and quiet driver/
[02:13] <Bizzeh> ?
[02:13] <obscurite> blizzeh - does your x2 system make a lot of noise?
[02:21] <Bizzeh> what can i do to stop shearing in kaffeine when playing videos?
[02:21] <CaBlGuY> wooord peeps..  ;-)
[02:21] <Bizzeh> ie, same as turning on vsync in games
[02:22] <ahmeni> Bizzeh: you could try a different xine output driver
[02:22] <Bizzeh> using opengl right now
[02:22] <Bizzeh> can you recomend a driver?
[02:23] <ahmeni> I usually use ximiage
[02:23] <ahmeni> err, ximage
[02:23] <ahmeni> but it all depends on your system
[02:35] <sadaf>     /stats p
[02:36] <Bizzeh> hmmmn
[02:37] <Bizzeh> 1116 packages installed
[02:37] <Bizzeh> that sounds like alot
[02:41] <semboy> nobody here?
[02:41] <semboy> !time
[02:41] <ubotu> semboy: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:42] <semboy> !tell ubotu wine
[02:42] <semboy> !tell ubotu about wine
[02:42] <semboy> !tell ubotu about wine
[02:42] <semboy> !tell ubotu about wine
[02:43] <Bizzeh> !tell bizzeh about wine
[02:44] <semboy> !tell ubotu about wine
[02:44] <semboy> !tell semboy about wine
[02:44] <Bizzeh> do "/msg ubotu wine"
[02:53] <_mark> anyone here?
[02:55] <HymnToLife> !anyone
[02:55] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? </hint>
[02:56] <yanis> is it possibly to remove that frame of the tab in konsole?
[03:05] <ajay_> guys i downloaded kubuntu daily livecd
[03:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> Congrats...what's the problem?
[03:06] <ajay_> it hangs when i click shut down
[03:06] <ajay_> at the poin where it eject the cd
[03:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm, may be a bug..did you check Launchpad?
[03:06] <ajay_> yup
[03:06] <ajay_> couldnt find anything specific
[03:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, maybe you found a new bug :P
[03:14] <pilgrim> How much HD space does Kubuntu require?
[03:15] <renato> seven bzillion bites
[03:15] <renato> jk
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> A base install shouldn't take more than about 400MB (giving myself a bit of extra since I don't know), but you should have a good bit more for your apps, documents, etc :)
[03:16] <pilgrim> renato, so 2 MB?
[03:16] <crimsun> pilgrim: 1.5 GB for comfort.
[03:16] <pilgrim> CheeseBurgerMan, ironic that this isn't mentioned anywhere
[03:16] <crimsun> pilgrim: +swap
[03:17] <pilgrim> crimsun, do you know from experience?
[03:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> crimsun: I've run Kubuntu without swap..it's stupid, and sucks, but you can do it :)
[03:17] <pilgrim> CheeseBurgerMan, I've never seen my swap mem used
[03:17] <crimsun> pilgrim: kubuntu breezy, yes
[03:18] <crimsun> can't speak for kubuntu dapper, but I imagine it's /at least/ 1.5 GB
[03:18] <crimsun> (+swap)
[03:18] <pilgrim> crimsun, what's breezy, dev?
[03:18] <pilgrim> or alpha?
[03:18] <crimsun> breezy/5.10 was released in october 2005
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> crimsun: I have, but only when I've got the most open, and I only have 512MB of RAM.
[03:18] <pilgrim> oh
[03:18] <pilgrim> ok
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Dapper is development (ATM), breezy is the curent stable release.
[03:19] <crimsun> CheeseBurgerMan: (speaking of min HD space, btw, not RAM usage)
[03:19] <pilgrim> Anyone tried the qtparted (or whatever it's called) to partition their windows drive? (windows=ntfs)?
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> pilgrim: Yep, I used it to partition mine.
[03:19] <crimsun> both KDE and GNOME thrash swap fairly consistently for me, but I haven't tuned vm/swappiness at all
[03:19] <pilgrim> CheeseBurgerMan, worked fine I assume?
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yep :)
[03:20] <pilgrim> CheeseBurgerMan, cool. Let's hope I can tell someone the same story
[03:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yep
[03:23] <pilgrim> So, um, what are you guys up to?
[03:23] <crimsun> avoiding doing *buntu work for another half-hour or so :-)
[03:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> Searching for something useful to install :P
[03:25] <pilgrim> LOL. You both are doing fine things .
[03:25] <pilgrim> crimsun, you an ubuntu dev?
[03:25] <crimsun> not part of core-dev, but yes.
[03:25] <pilgrim> crimsun, cool. What are you not working on?
[03:26] <crimsun> pilgrim: the pile of sound bugs staring me in the face
[03:26] <Hobbsee_away> crimsun: why avoiding?
[03:26] <crimsun> Hobbsee_away: none of them are critical :-)
[03:26] <crimsun> (well, save to the reporters, but...)
[03:26] <Hobbsee_away> hehe
[03:26] <Hobbsee_away> yes, sound is not critical at all :P
[03:26] <Hobbsee_away> my sound's *still* screwed!
[03:26] <crimsun> hey, mine Works For Me (tm)
[03:27] <Hobbsee_away> mine did too, before i reinstalled...
[03:27] <ahmeni> Bug 24620: Alsa makes my sound card explode and shards hit me in the face
[03:27] <erov> what's with amaroK's volume being so low
[03:27] <crimsun> I thought you had pinpointed it to ndiswrapper...?
[03:27] <erov> as compared to vlc/xmms/etc.
[03:27] <Hobbsee_away> crimsun: i have, at least i think i have, but we still dont know whyh
[03:27] <crimsun> ahmeni: REJECTED not a boog
[03:27] <Hobbsee_away> erov: check the settings of kmix
[03:28] <erov> i did they are maxed ! any other app will blow up my speakers (including system events)
[03:28] <ajay_> cant find anything
[03:28] <ajay_> CheeseBurgerMan, ????
[03:28] <crimsun> erov: make sure the volume slider in amarok is set to 100%
[03:29] <crimsun> erov: it would also help if you pastebinned ``amixer'' output
[03:29] <_dbglt> how do I add an xmodmap file to my kde autostart? I moved my .xmodmap file into the .kde/Autostart directory. (I normally run it by sending the command: "xmodmap .xmodmap"
[03:29] <crimsun> I can't guarantee I'll look at it for another 21 minutes, though ;-)
[03:29] <ajay_> how do u enable acpi during booting the livecd?
[03:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> ajay_: What?
[03:30] <ajay_> how to enable acpi?
[03:30] <_dbglt> do I need to make a bash script file ? Or how does it work?
[03:30] <erov> master pcm is in the 90th percentiles ;P
[03:30] <erov> err & pcm
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not sure, ajay_.
[03:31] <crimsun> erov: ``amixer'' output, dude{tte}
[03:31] <erov> i got it.. i had to enable the "xmms-like" player
[03:31] <erov> and change the volume, thanks though
[03:31] <ajay_> someone please help me out this is getting frustrating
[03:32] <ajay_> the livecd hangs after it says to eject
[03:41] <_s3B4s_> somebody knows how to install the mozilla-mplayer in de Kubuntu Dapper ?
[03:42] <_s3B4s_> becouse i don't have it to download with the apt
[03:47] <_s3B4s_> pike_: i have te dapper 6.06 beta 2 its that ok ?
[03:48] <pike_> _s3B4s_: not sure if all else fails you can go to packages.ubuntu.com and just download the mozilla-mplayer deb file
[03:49] <ahmeni> _s3B4s_: it's part of the multiverse, make sure you have that repo enabled
[03:49] <_s3B4s_> i have it uncomment
[03:49] <Hobbsee> !repos
[03:49] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:49] <_s3B4s_> i already see it
[03:50] <_s3B4s_> but thats repositories are for 6.04
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> Then go and manually edit your sources.list if it makes you feel better :)
[03:55] <Hobbsee> _s3B4s_: not the breezy ones
[03:55] <Hobbsee> and multiverse arent included in the default repos
[03:56] <_s3B4s_> mm, ok
[03:56] <_s3B4s_> thanxs :D
[03:57] <ubuntu_> 'soir
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi Nelio
[03:58] <Nelio> hi :)
[03:58] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi kkathman ;)
[03:58] <kkathman> howzit goin girl?
[03:58] <kkathman> :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> cold :P
[03:58] <kkathman> hehe
[03:58] <kkathman> very very warm here
[03:59] <Hobbsee> lucky...
[03:59] <kkathman> 9:00pm and its 91 F
[04:02] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  whats your policy for dong dist-upgrades?  Im doing the suggested updates, but I thought that should be accompanied by a dist-upgrade now and again?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> kkathman: as in, dist-upgrade from breezy to dapper, or dist-upgrades while still on dapper?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> you only need a dist-upgrade if there are packages kept back - and then you need to look very carefully to chekc you arent killing your system (ie, if it's trying to remove all of kde or something)
[04:05] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  while still on dapper
[04:05] <Hobbsee> kkathman: yep, see my last comment
[04:05] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  while still on dapper
[04:05] <Hobbsee> kkathman: yes
[04:06] <Hobbsee> kkathman: [12:03]  <Hobbsee> you only need a dist-upgrade if there are packages kept back - and then you need to look very carefully to chekc you arent killing your system (ie, if it's trying to remove all of kde or something)
[04:06] <xwolf-> why the hell doesnt firefox have its own bouncing icon when i open it?
[04:06] <kkathman> while still on dapper
[04:06] <kkathman> a';pslkjf;a
[04:07] <Hobbsee> er...
[04:08] <Hobbsee> kkathman: ah...no fun...i was going to kick you :P
[04:08] <kkathman> lol
[04:08] <kkathman> there
[04:08] <Hobbsee> working now?
[04:08] <kkathman> you wouldnt do that would ya?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> [12:06]  <Hobbsee> kkathman: [12:03]  <Hobbsee> you only need a dist-upgrade if there are packages kept back - and then you need to look very carefully to chekc you arent killing your system (ie, if it's trying to remove all of kde or something)
[04:08] <Hobbsee> [12:06]  <xwolf-> why the hell doesnt firefox have its own bouncing icon when i open it?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> not usually :P
[04:09] <Hobbsee> then again, i've already kicked one user in the past couple of mins...
[04:09] <xwolf-> here, it doesnt :P
[04:09] <kkathman> yer the only friend I got left in the ubuntu world :)
[04:09] <CaBlGuY> anyone alive?
[04:10] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee,  howdy,..  :o)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hi CaBlGuY
[04:12] <Hobbsee> where'd all the others go?
[04:13] <CaBlGuY> hehe   I dunno, just popped in..
[04:13] <CaBlGuY> got a question though.. :oP
[04:13] <Hobbsee> dont make me use the !ask command
[04:13] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:14] <CaBlGuY> why is Ubuntu slower then Winblowz as far as the internet goes??
[04:14] <CaBlGuY> OK, I'll "try" not to..
[04:14] <CaBlGuY> :P
[04:14] <CaBlGuY> IE:
[04:14] <Hobbsee> er, wired or wireless?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> and how are you judging the speeds?
[04:14] <CaBlGuY> when I did a speed test on dslreports, my speed went  waaay down in Ubuntu as aposwed to whejn I'm in winblowz..
[04:15] <CaBlGuY> and wired..
[04:15] <ubuntu_> I just downloaded the latest beta live cd 6.06. I'm trying to mount an ntfs partition (want to do some data transfer before an install). doesn't seem to be successful. does the live cd come with support for ntfs partitions?
[04:15] <CaBlGuY> I notice a biig change in like web page loading times n stuff like that..
[04:15] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: what does the speed say that you've got in windows?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> !tell ubuntu_ about windowsdrives
[04:15] <CaBlGuY> 1Meg or there a bouts..
[04:16] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: and what about when you do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:16] <CaBlGuY> and it's roughly 1/2 that or less in ubuntu.
[04:16] <CaBlGuY> hang on..
[04:17] <CaBlGuY> ok..  works fine on atp-gets..
[04:19] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: probably a result of the way the test was run then - ie, whether it used a java applet, whihc could have been slower on ubuntu, etc
[04:19] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: do you use firefox or konq?
[04:19] <Bilford> how do you restart samba with command lines
[04:20] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee, I've tried both but firefox mainly..
[04:20] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: okay, i've got some stuff that you can stick in your user.js file, which will make it faster - do you want it?
[04:21] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee, sure, as long as u help me find my user.js file..  :p
[04:21] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: http://pastebin.com/727591
[04:21] <Bilford> killall samba  ?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: location of the user.js file is shown in the paste...
[04:23] <Hobbsee> your default profile dir will be a little different
[04:23] <CaBlGuY> Oh, I put a link to the ubuntu web site on my myspace page.. :)
[04:23] <ubuntu_> Hobbsee: thanks for the link
[04:23] <manu> Hi!!
[04:23] <Hobbsee> ubuntu_: not a problem
[04:23] <manu> Ciao
[04:24] <manu> Hola
[04:26] <CaBlGuY> Ummmm  ok Hobbsee  I'm still kinda a newb so, Im not seein anything that's resembaling aLL that stuiff in the paste...
[04:26] <CaBlGuY> I can get to my home directory.. :p
[04:26] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: okay, cd .mozilla
[04:27] <CaBlGuY> whars cd??
[04:27] <Hobbsee> better still...locate user.js
[04:27] <CaBlGuY> *thats..
[04:27] <Hobbsee> change directory
[04:27] <CaBlGuY> Ummm ok, yur talkin greek to me now..  :p
[04:27] <CaBlGuY> :p
[04:27] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: type "locate user.js"
[04:27] <Hobbsee> into a console
[04:27] <CaBlGuY> ok..
[04:28] <Hobbsee> locate = the "find" command
[04:28] <CaBlGuY> ya gotta tell me I need to open console n stuff like that..  still leranin..  ;)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: hehe.  unless a person says otherwise, anything they tell you to do is in a console/virtual terminal/etc
[04:28] <CaBlGuY> ok..  and says not found..
[04:29] <Hobbsee> it what?
[04:29] <CaBlGuY> says command not found..
[04:29] <Hobbsee> odd
[04:30] <russ> hi.   Anbody here that can help me with ndiswrapper and a broadcom wireless card?
[04:31] <Snake__> what card?
[04:32] <russ> uses the b44win driver
[04:32] <Snake__> What kind of cardd
[04:33] <Hobbsee> !tell CaBlGuY about cli
[04:33] <russ> mini pci.....i think the number is 440, but  its in a laptop.  The driver I got for it from Dell is b44win.inf
[04:33] <Snake__> !wireless
[04:33] <ubotu> I guess wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards if it does not work out of the box https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper windows drivers
[04:34] <Snake__> russ: you gotta find out what kind of card it is, then check the ndis wiki as well as those 2 links above
[04:34] <russ> ok will do.  thank you
[04:38] <russ> imma moron...ive been trying to install the driver, which is working natively, instead of the wirelss
[04:40] <Ahmuck> !mount
[04:40] <ubotu> from memory, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[04:42] <Hobbsee> russ: hehe.  great :P
[04:44] <eimajenthat> hey, anyone used ACPI tools in KDE?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> eimajenthat: i havent, what are they?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> !tell CaBlGuY about firefox1.5
[04:47] <eimajenthat> Well, actually I'm using the Mepis 6.0 beta, so I'm not 100% sure it's in Kubuntu, but I suspect it is
[04:47] <eimajenthat> problem is, I don't know what some of the terms mean
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[04:48] <eimajenthat> I think it's in Kubuntu as well
[04:48] <eimajenthat> ACPI is for power management, primarily with laptops
[04:48] <Hobbsee> it may well be
[04:48] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:49] <eimajenthat> you can make you system power off or go to standby when you close it
[04:52] <Hobbsee> eimajenthat: ah yes...that's more controlled in klaptopdaemon or kpowersave here
[04:52] <Hobbsee> kpowersave's really nice - not sure if you get that in mepis...
[04:54] <eimajenthat> what's the difference between suspend and hibernate?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> suspend = suspend to ram.  hibernate = suspend to disk
[04:54] <Hobbsee> ie, suspend will still die if your laptop runs out of power...
[04:55] <Hobbsee> however, in hibernate, your laptop can totally run out of power, but when you plug it in again, it will come back out of hibernate, instead of rebooting normally
[04:55] <eimajenthat> okay, so what's standby?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> that's my undersatnding, naywya
[04:56] <Hobbsee> standby is faster, it chucks all the info to the ram, instead of the hard-disk - but if the laptop fully runs out of power, it will reboot normally when powered again - not out of suspend
[04:57] <eimajenthat> suspend and standby sound the same, can you clarify the difference?
[04:57] <CaBlGuY> !restricted
[04:57] <ubotu> restricted is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[04:58] <eimajenthat> bots are creepy
[05:00] <Hobbsee> eimajenthat: bots are useful :)
[05:04] <eimajenthat> perhaps, but no less creepy
[05:04] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[05:05] <CaBlGuY> I rember back in the day when I used to be on Mirc all the time. Bots got on my last nerve..  GRRRRR
[05:05] <CaBlGuY> we were always tryin to get em outa the dang channel..
[05:05] <eimajenthat> I never realize they'er bots straight off.  I start out thinking they're people who answer your question without really listening to it.
[05:05] <CaBlGuY> and puttin up some of our own bots to kik there bots...
[05:05] <CaBlGuY> :/
[05:06] <Hobbsee> eimajenthat: there's a history of banning painful bots - bots that log are okay, and official bots...
[05:06] <CaBlGuY> endless man, endless..
[05:06] <Hobbsee> but bots that interfere usually get banned
[05:06] <CaBlGuY> yea..
[05:06] <Hobbsee> note usually meaning = "i dont live here all the time, so dont see everything"
[05:07] <eimajenthat> and people who put 'bot' in their nick just make it more confusing
[05:07] <Hobbsee> hehe...true...
[05:08] <CaBlGuY> LOL   aint that the truth..
[05:08] <eimajenthat> just when you think you've got a pattern down, someone's gotta screw with your head some more
[05:08] <CaBlGuY> dang skipt kiddies..   *EWG*
[05:08] <robotgeek> are we talking about me
[05:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:08] <CaBlGuY> ummm script even..
[05:08] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: no, not that i know about :P
[05:08] <Hobbsee> quick, lets discuss robotgeek :P
[05:08] <CaBlGuY> or...   who knows...
[05:08] <CaBlGuY> we could b..  :o)
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:10] <eimajenthat> 'robotgeek' is okay, because 'robot' usually doesn't refer to chat 'bots,' usually just physical ones
[05:12] <CaBlGuY> well, i',m ouy kiddies...   TTYL Hobbsee  ....  c-ya robotgeek .. o/
[05:12] <CaBlGuY> *out even..
[05:12] <Hobbsee> cya CaBlGuY
[05:12] <CaBlGuY> dang new fingers..  ;/
[05:12] <Snake__> robotgeek: is a bot.
[05:12] <Snake__> He spits out links like nuthin :)
[05:12] <Hobbsee> eimajenthat: i'm always surprised that ubotu is not regarded as a bot by some people...
[05:12] <robotgeek> heh Snake__
[05:13] <Snake__> Hobbsee: I like when people try to have a conversation with ubotu and even tho he replys with "My cats name is mittens!" and "Did you get hit with a windmill" people still go "uhhh what do you mean? am I wrong??"
[05:13] <Snake__> :D
[05:13] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah, exactly!
[05:13] <Hobbsee> !bot
[05:13] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[05:13] <Hobbsee> pity...someone changed that...
[05:14] <Snake__> What was it?
[05:14] <Snake__> !love
[05:14] <ubotu> Snake__: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:14] <Snake__> aw! they took out love!
[05:14] <Snake__> :(
[05:14] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: hey
[05:14] <Hobbsee> it was something about setting me on fire, and i'll get hot :P
[05:14] <Snake__> Hobbsee: dpkg > ubotu by far (unfortanty)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> yheah, well
[05:15] <Snake__> Hobbsee: [11:14]  < dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot.  I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool.  Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
[05:15] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[05:17] <Snake__> HAHAHA
[05:17] <Snake__> Hobbsee: check #k-o
[05:18] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: Stalker!!
[05:18] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: hey....
[05:19] <DaSkreech> So trying out the goodness of Kubuntu?
[05:19] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: So trying out the goodness of Kubuntu?
[05:20] <DShepherd> hmmm I guess i thought I would bask in the glow of others first...:-)
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Meet My good friend DShepherd :)
[05:21] <Hobbsee> hi DShepherd :)
[05:21] <DShepherd> hey Hobbsee
[05:22] <DShepherd> kubuntu is quite attractive... i must admit
[05:23] <DShepherd> DaSkreech has been showing off some nice features ... pretty nice too
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Hey Hobbsee I still kan't get the Konversation to flash me
[05:24] <DaSkreech> You said I could get any aplpicaiton to do that from the Kontrol panel?
[05:24] <crimsun> ooh, it's Hobbsee's fault ;-)
[05:25] <DShepherd> crimsun: ... kubuntu fan too?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:26] <crimsun> DShepherd: I'm mainly in these channels for audio troubleshooting
[05:26] <Hobbsee> yes, if in doubt, blameme.
[05:26] <PaloDeQueso> I have a broadcom 43xx device which I am now using the native drivers for with dapper. But the one thing I noticed when I switched to the new drivers from ndis was a signifigant drop in signal quality. Has anyone else experienced this?
[05:26] <DShepherd> crimsun: ok
[05:27] <Bilford> my shared folders arent showing up on my other computer
[05:27] <Bilford> Ive read 20 different threads about how to use/set up Samba, and theyre all different
[05:28] <Bilford> I right-clicked a folder, selected Share
[05:28] <Bilford> and Shared it
[05:28] <PaloDeQueso> stupid wireless
[05:28] <Bilford> doesnt anyone share files/folders on a network?
[05:29] <Bilford> am I doing something rare
[05:29] <DShepherd> hehe
[05:29] <Bilford> why is this so difficult to figure out
[05:29] <crimsun> mommy says I'm part of the red scare if I share files/folders on a network
[05:29] <Bilford> file sharers are communists?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:29] <rasears> just installed dapper flight 7, and networking isn't working. Has anyone seen the message "ifup: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: No such file or directory"
[05:29] <HymnToLife> Bilford> depends on what kind of share you're talking about
[05:29] <Bilford> Samba
[05:30] <Bilford> Kubuntu to Kubuntu
[05:30] <HymnToLife> then I can't help you
[05:30] <HymnToLife> I use FTP
[05:30] <Bilford> eww
[05:30] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: /sayclip
[05:30] <DaSkreech>  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127695
[05:30] <DaSkreech> ha ha
[05:34] <DShepherd> what's that? /say clip
[05:36] <douglas> Will we have to use fwcutter and install firmware in the final release of dapper. And will they fix the signal quality problems in the native wifi drivers?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> douglas: if you have to do taht in dapper now, you'll have to do it in a few days too, most likely
[05:37] <stevekl> um, can anyone help me figure out how to use knode?
[05:39] <BWD> can someone please tell me how to change the system font size in KDE?
[05:40] <BWD> the default size is so large
[05:40] <Hobbsee> BWD: in system settings, appearances, font
[05:40] <BWD> thanks
[05:42] <Bilford> so how do I get Samba to work
[05:42] <Bilford> I want to share files between computers on my network
[05:43] <HymnToLife> !samba
[05:43] <ubotu> I heard samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html
[05:43] <HymnToLife> did you read this ?
[05:43] <Bilford> ty
[05:43] <Bilford> probably
[05:43] <Bilford> but I'll look again
[05:43] <Bilford> ive read 100 different things
[05:43] <HymnToLife> Bilford> it would also help if you told us what the problem _exactly_ is
[05:44] <Bilford> I right clicked a folder, and shared it
[05:44] <Magus`> Hey, I'm new to Kubuntu and was wondering two small things -
[05:44] <Bilford> but I cant see it on my other computers
[05:44] <Bilford> thats the 1 sentence version
[05:44] <Magus`> 1) How do I use Adept to install and uninstall programs?  I was wanting to install Firefox and uninstall Konquerer, as well as other things.
[05:45] <HymnToLife> Bilford> I have very litle experience with Samba, and only under GNOME
[05:45] <HymnToLife> So I can't help much I guess
[05:45] <Magus`> 2) I've got an MP processor, and someone told me there is something you can do to update Kubuntu for MP procs, but the line they gave didn't work
[05:45] <Bilford> I guess I'll try NFS
[05:45] <Hobbsee> !apt-get
[05:45] <ubotu> I guess apt-get is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/apt-howto.en.txt (in depth) and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto
[05:45] <HymnToLife> Magus`> you just can't remove Konqueror, it would remove KDE as well
[05:45] <Magus`> Oh, well
[05:45] <Magus`> It's not a sticking point
[05:46] <Hobbsee> i think there's info on the bottom of that page about it
[05:46] <Magus`> I just like to keep things organized
[05:46] <Magus`> When I've used Windows, I make it a point to at least remove shortcuts to things I don't use
[05:46] <Magus`> If I can't outright uninstall them
[05:46] <HymnToLife> Magus`> Linux is not Windows
[05:46] <Magus`> I'm aware
[05:47] <HymnToLife> there are things you just can't remove - like in Windows
[05:47] <HymnToLife> try removing explorer.exe :p
[05:47] <jk-> you can remove konqueror just fine...
[05:47] <Magus`> Actually, you can
[05:47] <Magus`> BBLite ;)
[05:48] <Magus`> But anyhow, how does one install something?  Like, I looked for Opera (using the filter) but it showed no results
[05:48] <Magus`> And I'm not going to manually scroll through all those packages
[05:48] <HymnToLife> Magus`> Opera isn't in the repos, you have to download the DEB from their website
[05:48] <Magus`> Ah
[05:49] <Magus`> What about GAIM?
[05:49] <Magus`> I don't really like Kopete
[05:49] <HymnToLife> sudo apt-get install gaim
[05:49] <stevekl> Do any of you use newshosting by any chance?
[05:50] <Magus`> Ok, also
[05:50] <Bilford> I do
[05:50] <Magus`> The line the person gave me was "sudo apt-get install kernel-686-smp"
[05:51] <Magus`> In order to update to MP support
[05:51] <Magus`> But it said no such package existed
[05:51] <stevekl> Bilford: You use newshosting?
[05:51] <HymnToLife> try sudo apt-get install linux-image-686-smp
[05:51] <Bilford> yes
[05:52] <Magus`> Alright
[05:52] <Magus`> I'll let you know how that goes in a bit
[05:52] <Magus`> Oh House
[05:52] <stevekl> Bilford: Well can you actually connect to it with a newsreader like pan?
[05:52] <Magus`> You wonderful old english dude
[05:53] <Bilford> stevekl: Im using Klibido.  Pan couldnt handle my huge queue
[05:53] <Bilford> I mean, Pan didnt seem to handle huge header lists too well
[05:53] <Bilford> took forever
[05:54] <stevekl> I'm using klibido too for binaries
[05:54] <stevekl> But I want to connect pan to it to actually read newsgroups
[05:54] <stevekl> but pan can't connect :(
[05:54] <stevekl> it's weird
[05:54] <Bilford> I connected with Pan
[05:54] <stevekl> Do you have an unlimited account?
[05:54] <Bilford> yes
[05:55] <Magus`> Yeah
[05:55] <Magus`> That didn't work either
[05:55] <Magus`> =\
[05:55] <Magus`> No such package
[05:55] <stevekl> Ok i'm putting unlimited.newshosting.com as the server, port 119, username and pass
[05:55] <stevekl> is that right?>
[05:55] <Bilford> yes
[05:56] <stevekl> hm
[05:56] <Bilford> whats wrong
[05:56] <stevekl> well something's going wrong somewhere
[05:56] <stevekl> It's not connecting
[05:57] <Bilford> I know it works though
[05:57] <Bilford> I ran Pan with NewsHosting
[05:58] <stevekl> Well what the hell
[05:59] <stevekl> It's working
[05:59] <stevekl> I don't know what I did
[05:59] <stevekl> Yeah ok it's connecting now
[06:00] <Magus`> Makes me wonder if such a apackage actually exists
[06:00] <Magus`> -a
[06:02] <HymnToLife> Magus`> I'm pretty sure the package linux-image-686-smp exists
[06:02] <HymnToLife> search for it in Adept
[06:03] <Magus`> linux-image-amd64-k8-smp
[06:03] <Magus`> That look about right?
[06:03] <HymnToLife> that's for Athlons I guess
[06:03] <Magus`> That's what I have
[06:03] <Magus`> AMD64  X
[06:03] <Magus`> 2
[06:04] <HymnToLife> go for it then, it' the one you need
[06:04] <HymnToLife> but did you install a 64 bit sysem ?
[06:04] <Magus`> Yes
[06:05] <HymnToLife> then it's ok  :)
[06:05] <Magus`> How does one take a screenshot?
[06:05] <HymnToLife> pretty normal you didn't find the 686 one then
[06:05] <HymnToLife> Ksnapshot works fine
[06:05] <HymnToLife> it should be somewhre in the K menu
[06:05] <DShepherd> Magus`: press the print screen button?
[06:06] <Magus`> Didn't work
[06:06] <Magus`> First thing  I thought of
[06:07] <Magus`> I installed it.. I think
[06:07] <Magus`> Shouldn't I have to reboot?\
[06:07] <HymnToLife> Magus`> yes
[06:07] <Magus`> BRB
[06:08] <imbrandon> kde you can just hit the printscreen key to to launch ksnapshot ;)
[06:10] <DShepherd> imbrandon: he said he tried... oh well beats me
[06:11] <imbrandon> ahh i dident scroll up , whoops ;)
[06:12] <_jesse> REBOOTED
[06:12] <evilelf> Ahhh HELL YEAH!
[06:12] <evilelf> updating to dapper did some magic
[06:13] <orient2000> dupper is super but i can not watch dvd
[06:14] <orient2000> anybody had dvd working on dupper?
[06:15] <kkathman> dupper?  Is that a new product?
[06:16] <evilelf> orient2000, well, what error are you encountering? Just stating that it doesn't work isn't exactly clear as to what your problem is.
[06:16] <Bilford> whats the link to downloading Kubuntu Dapper again
[06:17] <orient2000> you mean dupper or dvd
[06:17] <orient2000> plugins are missing
[06:18] <Bilford> Kubuntu Dapper Flight 7
[06:18] <orient2000> yes
[06:19] <Bilford> nm
[06:19] <Bilford> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7/
[06:20] <orient2000> i think I have this one but not sure do you know how to check version?
[06:20] <Bilford> no
[06:20] <Bilford> DVDs work
[06:21] <orient2000> I must check my version hmmm...
[06:21] <Magus`> Hrm
[06:21] <Magus`> Having trouble finding AMD64 version of Opera
[06:21] <Magus`> i386 doesn't work
[06:23] <imbrandon> orient2000: you mean dvd MOVIES ? you need libdvdcss2 type !restricted to get a link
[06:23] <imbrandon> !restricted
[06:23] <ubotu> well, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[06:25] <Magus`> BTW, can you edit the boot menu from inside Kubuntu?
[06:25] <Magus`> I have a good 10+ things in the boot menu
[06:25] <Magus`> 8 of which I don't want
[06:25] <Bilford> grub?
[06:25] <imbrandon> yes edit sudo /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:26] <Magus`> And Opera? :P
[06:26] <imbrandon> i dont use opera duno
[06:27] <Magus`> Huh, it says I have no write permission
[06:27] <evilelf> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Useful for any of us.
[06:27] <imbrandon> in a terminal type "sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[06:27] <Magus`> Now THAT worked.
[06:27] <imbrandon> you need to be super user to edit that file
[06:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:28] <imbrandon> ctl+x to exit and save
[06:28] <Magus`> Can I just commit out the first line of an entry to remove it from the list?
[06:28] <imbrandon> in nano
[06:28] <Magus`> Or do I have to # everything?
[06:28] <imbrandon> not just the first line, all the lines of the entry
[06:28] <Magus`> Alright
[06:28] <Magus`> Stupid question
[06:29] <Magus`> But does it need ## or #?
[06:29] <Magus`> Or does it even matter?
[06:29] <imbrandon> just #
[06:29] <imbrandon> dosent realuy matter
[06:30] <Magus`> I think that did it
[06:30] <Magus`> Removed all but the first two entries
[06:31] <orient2000> where is terminal?
[06:31] <Magus`> K > System > Konsole
[06:31] <imbrandon> orient2000: kmenu --> system --> konsole
[06:31] <imbrandon> doh too late
[06:31] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:32] <Magus`> What about Firefox?
[06:32] <imbrandon> "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[06:32] <imbrandon> then its in the internet menu
[06:32] <Magus`> Hoorah
[06:33] <orient2000> thanks I was just blind how about synaptic I am in kubuntu
[06:33] <Magus`> Can I add Konsole to my task bar?
[06:33] <imbrandon> orient2000: synaptic isnt in kubuntu by default it uses adept
[06:33] <Magus`> Nevermind
[06:33] <Magus`> Easy enough
[06:38] <orient2000> how to find out which version of kubuntu I have?
[06:39] <imbrandon> in konsole type "cat /etc/issue"
[06:39] <DaSkreech> lsb_release -a or cat /etc/issue
[06:39] <orient2000> thanks
[06:41] <orient2000> cat/etc/issue
[06:42] <richard1> someone know how to change my photo in kopete?
[06:44] <imbrandon> in settings --> configure  then on the left where its says identy , click that and choose the photo tab
[06:45] <orient2000> it says it is drapper drake 6.06 how can I upgrade to flight7 do i have to reinstall all?
[06:46] <imbrandon> flight 7 is dapper 6.06
[06:46] <imbrandon> you just need to make sure all your updates are done
[06:46] <orient2000> flight 6 is dapper 6.06 too
[06:46] <imbrandon> correct
[06:46] <imbrandon> all dappers are dapper 6.06
[06:47] <orient2000> drapper 6.06 TLC is a flight7
[06:47] <imbrandon> it dosent matter what version you install as long as you keep up on the updates
[06:47] <imbrandon> then you always have the lastest version
[06:47] <orient2000> ok I get it so i have it all thanks
[06:48] <poimen> I ordered 8 kubuntu cds and 8 ubuntu pc cds 2 kubuntu 64 cds 1 ubuntu 64 and one ubuntu mac cd :)
[06:49] <poimen> going to give them at collage to computer cience students ;)
[06:54] <Samuli^> poimen, hopefully they won't be wasted :)
[06:54] <poimen> I dont think so
[06:54] <Samuli^> I think they send multiple cd's anyways because cd's don't cost money but postal fees do.
[06:54] <poimen> I am going to give a presentation about Kubuntu Linux
[06:55] <HymnToLife> are Dapper CDs available for order now ?
[06:55] <poimen> yep
[06:55] <Samuli^> yeah.
[06:55] <HymnToLife> sweet
[06:55] <HymnToLife> gotta order some too
[06:55] <poimen> well it will be about linux in general
[06:55] <poimen> to the computer cience club
[06:55] <Samuli^> I'd advice not to order them if you don't really need them though.
[06:56] <HymnToLife> they always look nicer in a CD wallet :D
[06:56] <Samuli^> it costs money for the canonical though.
[06:56] <poimen> and I am going to explain the GPL LGPL and linux kernel, Gnome/KDE and XFCe and some other things
[06:56] <Samuli^> and we don't want canonical to fall for tragedy of commons.
[06:56] <poimen> hopefully they will be interested
[06:57] <HymnToLife> and besides I'm on dialup so I _do_ need them :p
[06:57] <Samuli^> HymnToLife, that's understandable then :)
[06:58] <poimen> lol u know in the computer cience club logo there is Tux as part of the logo , and no one was using linux when I came to the club thinking that they used linux
[06:58] <HymnToLife> hmm
[06:58] <HymnToLife> didn't someone mention Kubuntu CDs earlier ?
[06:59] <poimen> now thankx to me the president of the club is running kubuntu
[06:59] <imbrandon> science ?
[06:59] <poimen> science yep
[06:59] <poimen> soryy my english suck
[06:59] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:59] <poimen> we study programing basicly
[07:00] <poimen> going to talk about suse and its wonderfull XGL :)
[07:00] <poimen> too
[07:01] <poimen> I am running Suse 10.1 and Kubuntu 6.06 on my machine :)
[07:01] <poimen> Suse 10.1 with KDE/XGL/COmpiz on a ati x300
[07:01] <orient2000> which one you like better?
[07:02] <poimen> Kubuntu / ubuntu of cource
[07:02] <poimen> apt-get is like 20 times faster than yast and zen and like 7 times faster than smart
[07:03] <orient2000> how about mandiva? did you try it?
[07:03] <poimen> yeah I was a member of mandriva club :D
[07:04] <poimen> mandriva 2006 is nice but again installing from urpmi is not as good as apt-get/adept
[07:05] <orient2000> thanks
[07:05] <poimen> linux is linux but installers and gui default tools and of cource the main desktop look that greets you is a important thing
[07:05] <HymnToLife> poimen> some people don't care
[07:05] <poimen> ubuntu by the way sucks in desktop apearence by default ( Is only my opinion)
[07:06] <poimen> kubuntu rocks
[07:06] <poimen> but a brown desktop is not so atractive to newcomers I think
[07:06] <orient2000> I had a problem in kubuntu with screen savers my system was frozen fet times and i had to reset.  it was 35 days ago.
[07:06] <orient2000> 5 days ago.
[07:07] <poimen> I am talking in terms of newbies because for old linux user any linux should be ok ;)
[07:07] <HymnToLife> poimen> that's just your tstes
[07:07] <orient2000> i am an old nubie
[07:07] <HymnToLife> I think brown is a nice color for a desktop
[07:08] <orient2000> it changed to blue after last updates
[07:08] <nixternal> well hello there
[07:08] <poimen> HymnToLife : people tend to like the bluish and green taste of windows
[07:08] <nixternal> so....any experience xgl/compiz-kde/nvidia freaks alive?
[07:09] <orient2000> i did not change it.
[07:09] <HymnToLife> poimen> why couldn't one like both ?
[07:09] <poimen> hum?
[07:09] <nixternal> prolly my fw
[07:10] <poimen> HymnToLife : I love to experiment in desktop
[07:10] <nixternal> actually...no cuz someone just sent me some stuff earlier
[07:10] <poimen> I have had a green,brown, blue, red, black desktops ;)
[07:10] <nixternal> poimen...how is it?
[07:10] <poimen> I am using ati btw
[07:10] <HymnToLife> I don't :)
[07:10] <nixternal> grrr
[07:10] <poimen> yeah grrrr
[07:10] <orient2000> change you name to root but do not lame me for experimenting i had to reinstal all
[07:10] <HymnToLife> I usually stick with the defaults with custom wallpapers
[07:10] <nixternal> i wish my kubuntu box had ati...but it has an nvidia
[07:10] <poimen> but it works somehow fine
[07:11] <nixternal> i could rip out the x700 from this machine i guess
[07:11] <nixternal> ;D
[07:11] <poimen> nixternal : u like ati more?
[07:11] <nixternal> oh hell ya
[07:11] <poimen> ok lets trade cards :)
[07:11] <poimen> I love nvidias
[07:11] <poimen> :D
[07:11] <nixternal> i have been on the ati bandwagon since b4 catalyst drivers
[07:11] <nixternal> hehe
[07:11] <nixternal> my nix box is a g4 mx440 i believe
[07:11] <nixternal> nothing major
[07:12] <nixternal> but good enough for nix
[07:12] <poimen> O have a ati X300
[07:12] <HymnToLife> mine is a g2 :D
[07:12] <nixternal> i will admit though...i like the shelf life of old nvidia
[07:12] <nixternal> they don't freakin' die
[07:12] <nixternal> my debian server has a voodoo3 and my rh server has a voodoo5
[07:12] <nixternal> hehe
[07:13] <HymnToLife> my server has nothing
[07:13] <HymnToLife> why do you need a gfx on them ?
[07:13] <nixternal> well...if i could find a decent how-to...i would work with the xgl/compiz-kde/nvidia thing in here
[07:14] <nixternal> cuz they are on a kdm
[07:14] <nixternal> kvm
[07:14] <nixternal> always good to be able to pull them up when the net doesn't work
[07:14] <poimen> I dont know
[07:14] <poimen> I am using suse right now
[07:15] <poimen> http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5739/xglkde8ke.png  <------------ my suse/KDE/XGL/Compiz on ati x300 it looks chopy on the screenshot maybe due to the compresion but looks nice on my desk
[07:16] <poimen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto  this would help nixternal
[07:17] <imbrandon> poimen : http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/snapshot1.png  <-- i like my kde desktop better ;)
[07:18] <poimen> imbrandon : maybe I would killyou after seeing that
[07:18] <nixternal> so does xgl run pretty quick?
[07:18] <nixternal> or is it a hog?
[07:18] <imbrandon> lol
[07:19] <imbrandon> nixternal: xgl is fast , now compiz on the other hand ;) lool nah its ok too
[07:19] <nixternal> hmmm
[07:19] <nixternal> xgl good...compiz bad
[07:19] <nixternal> is that what you are saying?
[07:19] <imbrandon> poimen: why, linux is about choice, i like the way windoz looks and the power of linux ;)
[07:19] <nixternal> if you do xgl you have to compiz correct? don't they go hand-in-hand
[07:20] <poimen> imbrandon : true ...
[07:20] <imbrandon> nixternal: not exactly but yea ( there isnt realyt an alteritive yet to compiz )
[07:20] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:20] <nixternal> imbrandon...i don't like your desktop....
[07:20] <poimen> but you should not show that screen to MS they will sue you
[07:20] <nixternal> ;D
[07:20] <nixternal> winbloze clone
[07:20] <nixternal> why have linux...then make it look like windows...or a mac?
[07:20] <imbrandon> poimen: nope, its all original artwork i did my self, no ms copyright stuff
[07:21] <nixternal> i want my linux to look like linux...however in the hell linux is supposed to look like ;)
[07:21] <imbrandon> nixternal: why not? why do you use linux, i use it for power and programing not looks ;)
[07:21] <nixternal> true
[07:21] <nixternal> but i dont' want that eerie feeling that i might get some damn virus at any second
[07:21] <imbrandon> hahah
[07:21] <poimen> imbrandon : yeah right that looks just like my frunds windows media laptop
[07:22] <DaSkreech> nixternal: You understand the differnce between the window server and the Window Manager right?
[07:22] <nixternal> i shouldn't be talking...im chattin' on a windows box right now...only cuz im tweakin' my kubuntu
[07:22] <nixternal> yes sir DaSkreech
[07:22] <imbrandon> poimen: ;) there are subtle diffrences but yea i made it as close as possible i still have the svg's i'm going to release SOMEDAY ;)
[07:22] <DaSkreech> kool
[07:23] <poimen> well I looks so real I would buy it as windows
[07:23] <nixternal> lol
[07:23] <imbrandon> lol
[07:23] <nixternal> i wouldn't buy it...it is either winblows or linspire
[07:23] <imbrandon> i got a golden bridge too to sell ;)
[07:23] <nixternal> haha
[07:23] <DaSkreech> linspire ain't that bad
[07:23] <imbrandon> nixternal:  thats kubuntu dapper ;)
[07:23] <nixternal> same here
[07:23] <nixternal> i loves the dapper
[07:24] <nixternal> flight 7 baby
[07:24] <nixternal> you know...i have to admit...i hated breezy on my nix machine...so i was using mepis
[07:24] <nixternal> then i decided to download dapper and give it a spin...ditched the kernel...grabbed the newest and cleaned it out...and my god...i have never seen something so smooth in my life
[07:25] <poimen> :)
[07:25] <poimen> I havent compiled my own kernel in years
[07:25] <poimen> :(
[07:25] <nixternal> hell..everytime a new kernel comes out...i get to work
[07:26] <imbrandon> k i have to upload these packages to a motu and off to sleep i go, gnight all
[07:26] <nixternal> in 30 minutes i am up to date
[07:26] <poimen> I did it constantly on the 2.4 kernel releases on slackware :)
[07:26] <DaSkreech> nixternal: So Going to get a PS3?
[07:26] <nixternal> nite imbrandon
[07:26] <nixternal> NO NO NO
[07:26] <nixternal> console = bad
[07:26] <DaSkreech> latest kernel supports Cell :-)
[07:26] <nixternal> ooooh
[07:26] <imbrandon> xbox console == good ( i have a cluster running dabian ) ;)
[07:26] <nixternal> goto bed imbrandon ;D
[07:26] <imbrandon> xbox cluster that is
[07:26] <DaSkreech> Xbox2?
[07:27] <poimen> I would like to start doing it again :)
[07:27] <imbrandon> nope old ones , i have 9 of them running debain cluster
[07:27] <nixternal> my wife would kill me if i got another console to hack
[07:27] <imbrandon> nixternal: you can pick up a xbox classic for like 30 bux at a pawn shop
[07:27] <blank_> i installed kdeedu
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Beowulf of Coleco visions?
[07:28] <blank_> how can I make kdeedu packages show up under edutainment in my menu?
[07:28] <nixternal> hahah DaSkreech...i could picture that
[07:28] <nixternal> no i couldn't actually
[07:28] <imbrandon> lol
[07:28] <imbrandon> gnight
[07:28] <nixternal> i still have my coleco
[07:28] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Were you not just bidding on a Windows clone? :-=)
[07:28] <nixternal> nite
[07:28] <nixternal> oh no...
[07:28] <nixternal> wth did i bid on
[07:28] <nixternal> i bid on the golden bridge
[07:29] <nixternal> this friend of the family..has an assload of 486's he junkin'...well i told him i wanted them...he was like...your an idiot....well...thanks to him...i will have a hellified lil nix lab now
[07:30] <nixternal> well not yet exactly...i have to put it all together
[07:30] <imbrandon> lol beowolf
[07:30] <nixternal> i have wanted to mess around with clustering
[07:30] <imbrandon> nixternal: ship me a few of em ;)
[07:30] <nixternal> i might pick up a lil readin' material
[07:30] <nixternal> where yo at?
[07:30] <nixternal> on there way
[07:30] <imbrandon> kc mo
[07:30] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:30] <nixternal> shit...6 hours away
[07:30] <nixternal> chicago
[07:30] <imbrandon> kansas city missouri
[07:31] <nixternal> 7 maybe
[07:31] <imbrandon> yup 5 or 6
[07:31] <nixternal> lol
[07:31] <nixternal> i know it is 8 to topeka
[07:31] <imbrandon> 4.5 from here to stl
[07:31] <nixternal> 4 to st. louis
[07:31] <imbrandon> so 8.5 ;)
[07:31] <nixternal> ya...but i take 88 i think
[07:31] <imbrandon> 70 from here to stl
[07:31] <nixternal> st. louis is to far south
[07:31] <nixternal> ya
[07:32] <nixternal> 88 to iowa...then something down to mo
[07:32] <nixternal> been awhile
[07:32] <nixternal> GO ROYALS!!!
[07:32] <imbrandon> ok man i'm off to sleep for eal this time, when i wake up its time to update my blog i havent touched in weeks ( www.imbrandon.com ) gnjight
[07:32] <nixternal> they used to be my team...when they had bo
[07:32] <nixternal> haha nite bro
[07:32] <imbrandon> yea bo and bret
[07:32] <nixternal> oh ya
[07:32] <nixternal> bret the drunk
[07:32] <nixternal> ;D
[07:32] <imbrandon> lol
[07:33] <imbrandon> they are worst in the league right now i think lol
[07:33] <nixternal> oh ya...and then some
[07:33] <imbrandon> ok GOOD NIGHT
[07:33] <nixternal> haha nite
[07:44] <raf> hello all
[07:44] <raf> I have a problem with my cdroms
[07:45] <raf> I inserted a cd rom in my cdrecorder drive, and another in my cdrom drive
[07:46] <raf> but kubuntu only shows the cdrom with the name of my cdrecorder drive
[07:47] <raf> when I pushed the recorder's button, it turned on its led and the system tells me that is unmounted
[07:47] <rob> y
[07:47] <raf> and the led is turned on 10 minutes ago
[07:48] <raf> and I can't extract my  CD's
[07:48] <raf> how can I do?
[07:48] <rob> reboot, you should be able to extact your cds then
[07:48] <raf> :O
[07:48] <rob> check your /etc/fstab file and make sure the cdroms are configured correctly
[07:49] <raf> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[07:49] <raf> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[07:49] <raf> what's wrong?
[07:50] <rob> nothing by the looks
[07:50] <rob> check your logs and see what error msgs you get
[07:51] <raf> where can I find the logs?
[07:51] <raf> :D
[07:51] <raf> i'm a newbie, as you can see
[07:51] <rob> under /var/logs
[07:52] <raf> ok
[07:52] <raf> thanks
[07:52] <rob> also do: dmesg | more
[07:52] <Vampis> morning folks
[07:53] <raf> in /var/log/ there are so much files, what's file I need to see?
[07:54] <rob> try dmesg instead first
[07:56] <raf> I wrote "dmesg | grep hdc"
[07:56] <raf> it shows so many error messages
[07:56] <raf> I can pastebin all of them
[07:56] <raf> pastebin them?
[07:56] <rob> yes
[07:59] <raf> http://raf.pastebin.com/727737
[07:59] <raf> that's for hdc
[08:00] <raf> http://raf.pastebin.com/727738
[08:00] <raf> this is for hdd
[08:03] <rob> have you tried rebooting, does the same error happen once you do?
[08:07] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: hey
[08:17] <wizzermetimers> hello, I'm about to upgrade to dapper, do i need to update my repo for kubuntu too ?
[08:17] <wizzermetimers> currently I've got deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 breezy main
[08:18] <DeadS0ul> change breezy to dapper
[08:18] <DeadS0ul> and tehn to apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:18] <wizzermetimers> ok thanks
[08:18] <raf> I don't know how, but now I can eject my cd drives
[08:18] <DeadS0ul> back up your system first though
[08:19] <wizzermetimers> why is dapper that buggy?
[08:19] <DeadS0ul> raf, make sure you unmount your disc first
[08:19] <DeadS0ul> then type eject
[08:19] <DeadS0ul> dapper isn't going to be released til june 1st, it's not buggy, it just needs polish
[08:19] <raf> DeadS0ul and rob: ok, thank you very much
[08:19] <wizzermetimers> so why would i backup my system ?
[08:19] <DeadS0ul> habit
[08:20] <wizzermetimers> fair enough
[08:20] <wizzermetimers> thanks
[08:20] <DeadS0ul> and I've heard that doing dist-upgrade doesn't work that well with dapper, I'm not a 100% on it thoughl  IT was a month ago
[08:20] <Vampis> u always back up your system when u make a major update :P
[08:20] <DeadS0ul> sometimes I ghost
[08:20] <DeadS0ul> but my home dir is on my file server so everything important to me is backed up
[08:21] <wizzermetimers> I don't mind if it borks just as long as my data is retrievable i'll be happy
[08:21] <raf> how can I configure my system if I want that kubuntu unmount/eject my CD when I push the drive's eject button?}
[08:21] <wizzermetimers> but yeah,. ive got a week old backup anyway so i'll be ok
[08:21] <DeadS0ul> you're good to go then
[08:21] <DeadS0ul> raf: are you using kde?
[08:23] <raf> DeadS0ul: yes
[08:23] <raf> DeadS0ul: I'm using KDE
[08:23] <DeadS0ul> give the storage media applet a shot then
[08:23] <rob> check out Ubuntu Center
[08:23] <DeadS0ul> right click the panel, add applet to panel
[08:23] <rob> looks intresting
[08:23] <DeadS0ul> rob: what's taht?
[08:24] <rob> its a web based console for your ubuntu box, lets you stream music and stuff
[08:24] <DeadS0ul> =O
[08:24] <rob> its a bit rough, but interesting
[08:25] <wizzermetimers> ok ill let it do it's thing and see how it goes
[08:25] <wizzermetimers> thanks guys
[08:25] <raf> is there a bug on kubuntu with the CD-RW? my drive hangs when I insert a CD-RW
[08:26] <DeadS0ul> tjkkmn  ., .,m llk,mnb;llkmkl.olk,pl.l;.,8uiiiijhgiugv8ujyvx juyvjynhv x;p0mh cxtrewytretrfyt
[08:27] <raf> :O
[08:27] <Vampis> rob: looks nice
[08:27] <DeadS0ul> I fucking dropped food on my expensive keyboard
[08:28] <raf> wooow
[08:28] <Vampis> rob: does it use gnump3 for the musicstreaming or what ?
[08:28] <Vampis> DeadS0ul: Congrats ;)
[08:28] <DeadS0ul> quiet you >P
[08:28] <DeadS0ul> I'm gonan go eat soemwhere else, cya guys later
[08:29] <Vampis> Should have thought of that earlier should you ;)
[08:29] <DeadS0ul> I know =(
[08:29] <Vampis> =)
[08:29] <rob> Vampis, something like that
[08:30] <Vampis> What did the sallad sauce say when the refrigerator-door was opened ?
[08:30] <Vampis> "Close the door, I'm Dressing"
[08:30] <Vampis> Thats how low I am today :P
[08:30] <DeadS0ul> haha
[08:44] <b0nn> hi all, Ive just installed ubuntu on my laptop <g>
[08:44] <raf> I was wondering if there's a way to asign a task to a key on keyboard in KDE, ie. eject the CD
[08:44] <Vampis> b0nn: congrats (?)
[08:45] <raf> b0nn: yeees, congrats!
[08:45] <b0nn> I want to install kubuntu-desktop but theres something wrong
[08:45] <Vampis> b0nn: did u uncomment the sources in the repository ?
[08:45] <b0nn> yes
[08:45] <b0nn> I edited /etc/apt/sources/lst
[08:46] <Vampis> k..
[08:46] <Vampis> so whats not working ? :)
[08:46] <b0nn> paste?
[08:47] <b0nn> # apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:47] <b0nn> Reading package lists... Done
[08:47] <b0nn> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:47] <b0nn> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop[3;2~
[08:47] <Vampis> did u make a update ?
[08:47] <Vampis> sudo apt-get update
[08:47] <raf> how can I make a link to desktop, I mean a button to go to desktop
[08:47] <raf> ?
[08:47] <Vampis> and then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:47] <b0nn> apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[08:48] <b0nn> and Im running a root terminal (I *hate* sudo)
[08:48] <Vampis> k
[08:48] <b0nn> raf right click on the desktop and select link to application?
[08:48] <Vampis> apt-cache search kubuntu-desktop
[08:48] <Vampis> does it find anything ?
[08:49] <b0nn> no
[08:49] <b0nn> and apt-cache search kubuntu doesnt either
[08:49] <raf> b0nn: "link to application", but what's the application? where can I find it?
[08:49] <Vampis> are you sure you uncommented all sources in the sources.list ?
[08:49] <b0nn> I even added multiverse
[08:50] <b0nn> raf: what application you trying to launch?
[08:50] <Vampis> hms, very strange
[08:50] <raf> desktop
[08:50] <raf> I just want a link to desktop
[08:50] <b0nn> o_0
[08:51] <raf> yes, i want to put a link on my taskbar
[08:51] <b0nn> oh sorry..
[08:51] <Vampis> kubuntu-desktop is located in main
[08:51] <Vampis> i think
[08:52] <raf> is there a way to redefine keys?
[08:52] <b0nn> ok  im a dick
[08:53] <Vampis> ?
[08:53] <b0nn> I uncommented all but the main :\
[08:53] <Vampis> LOL
[08:53] <Vampis> uncomment, make update, upgrade and then install :)
[08:53] <b0nn> no laughing :P
[08:54] <Vampis> Promise, I have cofffee in my mouth so i wouldnt dare to ;)
[08:54] <b0nn> right.. thats 240 MB I have downloaded tonight
[08:54] <b0nn> lol
[08:54] <Vampis> 240mb? Doesnt take many minutes
[08:54] <Vampis> :P
[08:54] <b0nn> how do I sort out wireless on my laptop?
[08:55] <Vampis> make it work or what ?
[08:56] <raf> pleeease, I need a link to my desktop! heelp! just like the link to desktop on windows' quick launch
[08:57] <b0nn> raf: on my ubuntu (gnome) desktop there is such a button by default
[08:57] <Vampis> use the Applet to the panel instead ?!
[08:57] <Vampis> in KDE u click on kicker, choose Add Applet to panel
[08:57] <b0nn> Vampis: I have no idea where to start with wireless
[08:58] <raf> b0nn: not in KDE
[08:58] <Vampis> b0nn: hms, It worked out of the box for me, hmm
[08:58] <Vampis> so I dont really know
[08:58] <b0nn> o0o0o everyone in my street must have gone out, Im getting max throughput speeds on my connection
[08:59] <b0nn> ok.. how do you check your wireless connection?
[08:59] <Vampis> b0nn: or ju just took a walk to everybodys house and cut their wires ;)
[08:59] <b0nn> lol, im innocent!
[09:00] <raf> Vampis: the applet is to switch between desktops, I want to minimize all windows at one time
[09:00] <Vampis> raf: their is TWO
[09:00] <Vampis> Show Desktop it's the other ones name
[09:01] <raf> Vampis: TWO? i didn't understand the "TWO"
[09:01] <Vampis> raf: Theirs another applet I meant
[09:01] <Vampis> not just the one that swithces between desktops
[09:02] <Vampis> their's one "Show Desktop" to
[09:02] <b0nn> w00tz0r
[09:03] <b0nn> I have kubuntu downloaded and halfway to being installed
[09:03] <Vampis> :)
[09:04] <raf> Vampis: I can't find it, it isn't in the applets list
[09:04] <Vampis> wierd, it was there for me right after install
[09:05] <raf> god, I can't believe it, I have expend more that 30 minutes to make a link to my desktop
[09:05] <b0nn> brb
[09:05] <Vampis> raf: try to install kicker-applets
[09:05] <kosh> you use the desktop?
[09:05] <Vampis> sudo apt-get install kicker-applets
[09:05] <raf> that is one reason why bill gates earn his money
[09:06] <kosh> raf: I don't see what is hard about putting an icon on the desktop, just drag it from a konqueror window and there is an option to make a link, copy or move
[09:06] <Vampis> or kdeaddons
[09:06] <kosh> raf: works the same way as doing it in windows and os/2
[09:06] <raf> no, I don't want to put a link in my desktop
[09:07] <Vampis> kosh: he want a "Show desktop" icon
[09:07] <raf> I want to have a link that redirects to my desktop (aka minimize all windows)
[09:07] <Vampis> and I told him to add the "Show Desktop" Applet to kicker
[09:07] <kosh> ah
[09:07] <Vampis> But he says he doesnt have it
[09:07] <kosh> that seems strange
[09:07] <raf> Vampis: yes, there's no applet in my KDE
[09:07] <kosh> no idea that kde can even be installed without that
[09:07] <Vampis> so I told him to install kicket-applets and if it doesnt appear install kdeaddons
[09:07] <raf> Vampis: yes, there's no "show desktop" applet in my KDE
[09:07] <Vampis> kosh: I got it by default
[09:08] <kosh> you  just right click and add applet to panel and it is in there
[09:08] <Vampis> raf: yes you keep telling me, but have you tried any of my suggestions ?
[09:08] <Vampis> kosh: exactly what I said
[09:08] <b0nn> kde :)
[09:08] <Vampis> b0nn: nice :)
[09:09] <b0nn> although somethings not right
[09:09] <Vampis> do you have the show desktop applet ? :P
[09:09] <raf> kosh: no, it doesn't appear right there
[09:09] <b0nn> I dont think kde + my lcd screen are playing nice
[09:09] <Vampis> b0nn: damn
[09:09] <raf> no, I don't have such applet
[09:09] <kosh> that seems strange, I can't find any systems around here with that behavior
[09:09] <Vampis> raf: ok, is that the 1000000000 time you said that
[09:09] <kosh> b0nn: the lcd screen would be an X issue not a kde one
[09:09] <b0nn> ok
[09:10] <b0nn> life was ok with gnome
[09:10] <Vampis> lol
[09:10] <Vampis> :>
[09:10] <kosh> kde does not do anything with X, it does not change any settings at all
[09:10] <kosh> what are you seeing that says it is not playing nice
[09:10] <b0nn> and .. when a window is closed.. im getting weird stuff where the window was
[09:10] <raf> Vampis: sorry, forget about
[09:10] <raf> it
[09:10] <paulb> my conputer dosn't recognize usb disks any more. how do i fix this?
[09:10] <raf> I understan I'm stupid
[09:11] <b0nn> there was a note as kde logged in about the lcd
[09:11] <Vampis> raf: noone told you that you where stupid, but you keep repeting yourself
[09:11] <kosh> b0nn: that seems strange, but unless you know what the note said it is not very helpful :)
[09:11] <Vampis> I layed out two suggestions of solutions and it doesnt seem that you tried either of them, and them you keep repeting yourself AGAIN
[09:11] <kosh> b0nn: it is kind of like those messages that an unknown error has occurred :)
[09:11] <b0nn> I'll log in/out and see if it comes back up
[09:12] <paulb> my conputer dosn't recognize usb disks any more. how do i fix this?
[09:13] <kosh> paulb: do you know when it stopped recognizing them and what you changed?
[09:13] <raf> yees, I clicked kicker and Add applet, but there's no "show desktop" applet, I told you
[09:13] <Tombuntu> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=128532&highlight=memory+stick+sony <-- anyone know much about the status of this
[09:14] <raf> I did all your suggestions
[09:14] <raf> nothing seems to work
[09:14] <paulb> i dont think i did anyhting.i know my first one broke so i got a new one and it didint work on my laptop but works on my desktop actually its an iaudio. so itwould be about 3 weeks
[09:15] <paulb> since it worked
[09:15] <raf> well, I can live without a link to my desktop, but it's unbelieveable what hard can be put a siple link
[09:16] <raf> thank you very much all of you
[09:16] <Vampis> *laughing*
[09:16] <kosh> raf: it shouldn't be hard, nobody else can even duplicate your problem, heck nobody else even has to add that, it is there by default
[09:16] <Tombuntu> THANK YOU FOR YOUR *EMOTE* WE HAVE /ACTION HERE
[09:16] <raf> don't laugh, please, really, i know i'm a stupid
[09:17] <kosh> raf: people are usually right about themselves no matter what, calling yourself stupid pretty much just makes it true but nobody here has called you stupid
[09:17] <Vampis> raf: Is I said before, did u trie ANY of my two suggestions
[09:17] <Vampis> kosh: told him that to
[09:17] <raf> yes, I tried them, but forget it, please
[09:17] <kosh> paulb: it just seems strange, usually it is some kind of upgrade that causes the problem
[09:18] <Vampis> Tombuntu: :D
[09:18] <kosh> what I would do is just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:18] <kosh> if it install anything then kde is not installed right
[09:18] <paulb> hmm my other box is dapper
[09:18] <paulb> that might be the problem. the supposedly improved driver support
[09:19] <kosh> that could be, dapper has many advantages of breezy
[09:19] <kosh> time tends to do that :)
[09:19] <paulb> i dont think its kde though because its the kernel that mounts stuff.
[09:19] <kosh> it should not be kde that has the problem
[09:19] <kosh> but with systems this complex it can get very confusing
[09:20] <paulb> should i try mounting manually? what is the command
[09:20] <kosh> mount /dev/devicename  /path/to/mount
[09:21] <b0nn> hmm still no joy
[09:21] <b0nn> I had thought it was gdm and kdm somehow fighting it out
[09:21] <b0nn> ok.. i get Display changed: LCD OFF flashing up on my screen
[09:22] <paulb> how do i find the device name?
[09:22] <_rince_> mrgn
[09:22] <b0nn> and I took this screenshot http://shanes.dyndns.org/snapshot1.png
[09:22] <kosh> paulb: hmm that would probably take too long to explain
[09:22] <paulb> ive got all knight
[09:23] <b0nn> actually .. its improving.. acpi setting?
[09:23] <kosh> paulb: yeah but I don't I have to get work done
[09:23] <kosh> paulb: have some code I need to get written and mostly debugged by morning in another 6 hours or so and it will take most of that time
[09:24] <paulb> what is thefirst part of what it would be called
[09:25] <kosh> look in dmesg
[09:25] <kosh> it will be at the very end
[09:25] <kosh> probably something like /dev/sda4 or something like that maybe /dev/sda1 however if you choose badly it can be bad
[09:27] <paulb> i get a "you mus specify the filesystemtype"
[09:27] <b0nn> paulb: what are you trying to mount?
[09:27] <Vampis> "My /dev/mouse dissepered over night"
[09:27] <Vampis> "maybe /bin/cat ate it?"
[09:27] <Vampis> :D
[09:28] <paulb> b0nn: a usb disk or iaudio to be exact
[09:28] <paulb> its fat 32
[09:28] <tuxcicles> i can't seem to get this logitech usb 350 headset to work, it detects it, i can adjust the volume to headset and to the mic through kmix for the logitech usb headphones, but no sound.
[09:29] <tuxcicles> anyone got there usb headset to work?
[09:29] <paulb> ill just use the other computer for mp3 until i upgrade or rather do a clean install.
[09:41] <Vampis> just installed oooqs-kde
[09:41] <Vampis> very nice :D
[09:46] <kosh> Vampis: and even with that koffice still starts faster :)
[09:47] <xxenon> morning
[09:47] <xxenon> Amarok 1.4 missing libs, known problem ?
[09:49] <Vampis> kosh: lol :)
[09:49] <ian__> can someone help me with an window switching question?
[09:49] <Vampis> I think oo is more compatible with other formats so :)
[09:49] <Vampis> xxenon: install the missing libs? :)
[09:49] <ian__> how do I configure KDE to show a window list when I Alt-tab and let me do more than go back and forth between two windows?
[09:50] <Vampis> tried alt+f5 ?
[09:51] <Vampis> there you get more options
[09:52] <xxenon> Vampis - well, it wants libkdecore.4 , which does not exist.
[09:53] <Vampis> Then its bad
[09:53] <kosh> xxenon: not that I know of, I just put in the amarok 1.4 dapper line, installed it and it is working
[09:53] <xxenon> ok..wierd...
[09:54] <kosh> at least I am hoping it is working since it is playing music right now :)
[09:54] <Vampis> kosh: *lol*
[09:55] <xxenon> ldd `which amarok` | grep "not found"
[09:55] <xxenon> libkdecore.4 => not found
[09:55] <xxenon> :(
[09:56] <kosh> nothing showed for me
[09:56] <xxenon> okay.
[09:57] <kosh> you are using those packages with dapper right now breezy?
[09:57] <kosh> s/now/not
[09:57] <xxenon> dapper..
[09:57] <xxenon> can you ldd `which amarok` | grep libkdecore
[09:57] <xxenon> plz
[09:57] <kosh> libkdecore.so.4 => /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 (0xb741e000)
[09:58] <kosh> that file is in package kdelibs4c2a
[09:58] <xxenon> yes I have it ..
[09:58] <xxenon> but my amaork bin is linked to "libkdecore.4" , not "libkdecore.so.4"
[09:59] <kosh> did you get the amarok from deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main
[09:59] <xxenon> yes. But amd64 arch.
[09:59] <xxenon> they misscompiled it I guess.
[09:59] <kosh> ah that would be it then
[09:59] <Bilford> how do I get SAmba working, so 2 Linux computers can share files
[09:59] <Vampis> kkathman: whazaaa
[09:59] <Vampis> ?
[10:00] <Bilford> Ive been spending hours trying to figure this out
[10:00] <kkathman> hey man!!
[10:00] <Bilford> hours and hours
[10:00] <kkathman> Vampis:  long time no see
[10:00] <Vampis> kkathman: yeah, alot of things going on @ school and so on
[10:00] <Vampis> kkathman: how you been ?
[10:00] <kkathman> Vampis: understand, me too...been very busy
[10:01] <Vampis> :)
[10:02] <Vampis> kkathman: so whats happening in the summer ?
[10:03] <kkathman> Vampis:  well in June my son is getting married
[10:03] <kkathman> and Im traveling alot
[10:03] <kkathman> hehe
[10:03] <Vampis> oooh, congrats =)
[10:04] <kkathman> well we're really happy
[10:04] <Vampis> kkathman: good =)
[10:04] <kkathman> his fiancee is a great gal
[10:05] <Vampis> Thats nice, :) and her family is good to ?
[10:05] <kkathman> her family is terrific, nice people, and fun to be around
[10:05] <kkathman> except her sister is a little goofy
[10:05] <Vampis> Lool
[10:06] <kkathman> 28 years old and still living at home
[10:06] <Vampis> There is always on "black sheep" ;)
[10:06] <kkathman> and she's a lawyer
[10:06] <kkathman> go figure
[10:06] <Vampis> LOL
[10:06] <Vampis> :>
[10:06] <Vampis> how old is your son ?
[10:06] <Bilford> living at home makes you a black sheep?
[10:07] <Vampis> Bilford: didnt say that, i used " "
[10:07] <Vampis> :P
[10:07] <kkathman> no, being 28, a lawyer and living at home.. makes you a bit of a leech
[10:07] <Vampis> ;)
[10:08] <kkathman> I mean, if she had fallen on hard times, laid off or something
[10:08] <kkathman> but hell she's got a full time job as a frickin lawyer
[10:08] <Vampis> Well, she would afford a nice appartment instead, or a house
[10:09] <kkathman> yah
[10:09] <kkathman> I'd think so
[10:09] <Vampis> or an appartment, then get married and get a bigger house..
[10:09] <Vampis> hms,
[10:09] <Vampis> before I moved from my parents I couldnt w8 to get out of there..
[10:12] <Bilford> why is it so hard to figure out how to share files between 2 computers
[10:12] <Bilford> this has taken hours, and Im no closer to figuring it out
[10:12] <Bilford> seems like thats something most people would do
[10:13] <Bilford> every thread I read about it, they have a different method
[10:13] <Bilford> all of which are very confusing
[10:13] <Vampis> Bilford: www.easylinux.info check the guide their... I used it , it worked
[10:14] <Bilford> ty
[10:14] <kkathman> Bilford: k/ubuntu doesnt come fully configured for bidirectional...like other distros
[10:14] <kkathman> so thats why alot of peeps are confused
[10:14] <kkathman> they've never had to do it cuz their previous distro came that way
[10:15] <Bilford> ok thx
[10:15] <Bilford> I cant reply to PM
[10:15] <cfraz89> Bilford: install avahi
[10:15] <cfraz89> and then use kde filesharing applet
[10:15] <Bilford> its blocked
[10:15] <cfraz89> ?
[10:15] <Bilford> It's a network
[10:15] <Bilford> trying to use Samba
[10:15] <cfraz89> oh ok
[10:16] <cfraz89> how far have you got?
[10:16] <cfraz89> it should be simple
[10:16] <cfraz89> i got it up without messing with any config
[10:16] <Vampis> I only used the terminal :P
[10:16] <Bilford> Vampis, thats a good site
[10:16] <Vampis> Bilford: yes it is :)
[10:16] <Bilford> cfraz89, well, Ive tried 100 different things
[10:16] <Vampis> Easy answers to the most basic needs
[10:16] <Bilford> I managed to get iit so I can right click , and share a folder
[10:17] <Bilford> but the other computers cant see it
[10:17] <Bilford> they can only see Windows shares
[10:17] <cfraz89> thats wierd
[10:17] <cfraz89> i get that every once in a while
[10:18] <cfraz89> you can still use the net-sharing applet over network
[10:18] <cfraz89> i find it easier than samba
[10:18] <Bilford> nfs?
[10:18] <cfraz89> no
[10:18] <Bilford> I saw that option after right-clicking
[10:18] <Bilford> it said something about an applet
[10:18] <cfraz89> yep
[10:18] <cfraz89> thats it
[10:18] <Vampis> nfs doesnt work windows <--> linux
[10:18] <cfraz89> combined with avahi its
[10:19] <Bilford> ok
[10:19] <Vampis> only linux <-> linux
[10:19] <cfraz89> very good linux-linux
[10:19] <Vampis> yes it is
[10:19] <cfraz89> Bilford, is your samba setup still stock-standard?
[10:20] <cfraz89> i found its best not to mess around with it, i only messed things up
[10:20] <kosh> nfs can work with windows, you just need nfs installed for windows
[10:20] <Bilford> I tried to keep it that way
[10:20] <Bilford> right
[10:20] <Bilford> thats the problem
[10:20] <Vampis> kosh: ooh, didnt know that
[10:20] <Bilford> I have no clue how I managed to get Share in the right-click menui
[10:20] <cfraz89> it happens once kde detects samba
[10:20] <Vampis> :>
[10:20] <Bilford> its not showing up on my laptop
[10:21] <Bilford> hm
[10:21] <cfraz89> did you enable simple file sharing in kde system settings?
[10:21] <Bilford> yes
[10:21] <cfraz89> and still doesnt show up?
[10:21] <Bilford> the folder? no
[10:22] <cfraz89> might help to restart samba
[10:22] <cfraz89> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[10:22] <Bilford> i logged off a few times already
[10:22] <cfraz89> wont help
[10:22] <Bilford> oh really?
[10:22] <cfraz89> do sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[10:22] <Bilford> oook
[10:22] <Vampis> kkathman-zzzz: gnight
[10:22] <Vampis> :)
[10:22] <Bilford> ty
[10:22] <cfraz89> you have to do that after changing samba settings
[10:22] <kkathman-zzzz> nighters :)
[10:22] <cfraz89> np
[10:22] <cfraz89> it should help
[10:23] <Bilford> I have a feeling thats it
[10:23] <Bilford> I thought logging out and in restarted it
[10:23] <cfraz89> nah
[10:23] <cfraz89> samba is system-level
[10:23] <Vampis> :)
[10:24] <cfraz89> :P
[10:24] <Bilford> I dont have samba in init.d
[10:24] <Bilford> thats weird
[10:24] <Vampis> have you i nstalled samba ?
[10:24] <Vampis> sudo apt-get install samba
[10:24] <Vampis> :)
[10:24] <Vampis> It doesnt come default
[10:25] <Bilford> Im using it to access Windows computers
[10:25] <Bilford> but I'll do that anyway
[10:25] <cfraz89> Bilford : lol
[10:25] <cfraz89> you have samba client, but not server i think
[10:25] <Bilford> doh
[10:25] <Vampis> :D
[10:25] <cfraz89> client is to access files, server shares files
[10:25] <Bilford> doesnt look like it's installed
[10:26] <Bilford> oh
[10:26] <Vampis> Well, problem solved ;)
[10:26] <Bilford> ok great
[10:26] <cfraz89> lol, i dont know how you got the share menu without samba installed
[10:26] <Bilford> Ive been transferring tons of files
[10:27] <Bilford> between Windows computers, after clicking Samba
[10:27] <Bilford> I guess I never uploaded though
[10:27] <Vampis> cfraz89: I got that to after install
[10:27] <cfraz89> yep
[10:28] <Bilford> do you think that should come pre-installed
[10:29] <cfraz89> i don't think it should
[10:29] <Vampis> nope
[10:29] <cfraz89> not that many people will use it, and it takes hard drive space
[10:29] <Vampis> exactly
[10:29] <cfraz89> and they try to keep to a minimal system
[10:30] <Bilford> I think Kubuntu fresh install is a tad larger than XP
[10:30] <Vampis> Then they shouldnt include all wierd apps in KDE and gnome :P
[10:30] <Bilford> but someone said Vista will require at least a 40gb drive
[10:30] <Vampis> Holy fu**ing shit
[10:30] <Bilford> I dont know if it's true
[10:31] <Bilford> they said that leaves 15 gb free space
[10:31] <Vampis> It wouldnt surprise me
[10:31] <Bilford> so 25 gb for the OS
[10:31] <Bilford> I just switched to Linux a few weeks ago
[10:31] <cfraz89> good stuff
[10:31] <cfraz89> do you like it?
[10:31] <Bilford> yeah
[10:31] <Bilford> yes, I switched 100%
[10:32] <cfraz89> awesome
[10:32] <evilelf> Sweeeet
[10:32] <Vampis> =)
[10:32] <evilelf> eye candy complete ;)
[10:32] <Vampis> lol
[10:32] <Bilford> yeah
[10:32] <cfraz89> xgl?
[10:32] <Vampis> :>
[10:32] <Bilford> me?
[10:32] <evilelf> and now, I have a stable coding machine ;)
[10:33] <Vampis> evilelf: :D
[10:33] <Bilford> I think tons of people will be switching to Kubuntu
[10:33] <cfraz89> yeah
[10:33] <Vampis> :>
[10:34] <cfraz89> my family got really annoyed when i switched the computers to ubuntu
[10:34] <cfraz89> *kubuntu
[10:34] <cfraz89> from mandriva
[10:34] <Bilford> woohoo
[10:34] <Bilford> it works
[10:34] <Bilford> ty ty
[10:34] <cfraz89> awesome
[10:34] <Vampis> Bilford: :)
[10:34] <cfraz89> :3
[10:34] <Vampis> cfraz89: why did they ?
[10:34] <cfraz89> they think its too slow
[10:34] <Vampis> eeh ?
[10:35] <Vampis> I tried mandriva, and i thought ubuntu was faster
[10:35] <cfraz89> and until today there was a bug with cups 1.2, where it would only print for about 30 seconds
[10:35] <cfraz89> with a canon pixma
[10:35] <cfraz89> Vampis: it feels faster on this computer
[10:35] <cfraz89> but my mum keeps complaining about slowness
[10:35] <cfraz89> although i think its faster
[10:35] <Vampis> hehe
[10:35] <Vampis> parents ;)
[10:35] <cfraz89> i even put xfce on it
[10:35] <cfraz89> lol yeah
[10:36] <Vampis> :>
[10:36] <Vampis> What kind of hardware is it
[10:36] <Vampis> ?
[10:36] <Bilford> she's always used Linux?
[10:36] <cfraz89> 1000mhz duron
[10:36] <evilelf> Well, kubuntu / debian... not much difference... debian without the junk
[10:36] <Vampis> thinking of installing ubunbu on my moms p3 800
[10:36] <cfraz89> Bilford: no, switched her from windows 4 years ago
[10:36] <cfraz89> Vampis: xubuntu sounds good there
[10:36] <Vampis> yeah
[10:36] <cfraz89> i think its just that openoffice.org 2 is slower than 1
[10:37] <Vampis> it find it faster
[10:37] <Vampis> :)
[10:37] <evilelf> and switching from the breezy distribution to the dapper distribution (and adding the repo component universe/multiverse) was really a good thing for me
[10:37] <Bilford> I installed Kubuntu on a laptop  thats 767 mhz
[10:37] <cfraz89> and she thinks the word processor is the computer
[10:37] <Bilford> runs good
[10:37] <evilelf> need bleeeeediiiinnnnggggg-edge ;)
[10:37] <cfraz89> i started kubuntu with dapper
[10:37] <cfraz89> i love it
[10:38] <Bilford> lol
[10:38] <Bilford> its like a new computer
[10:38] <Vampis> =)
[10:38] <cfraz89> yeah
[10:39] <cfraz89> its so exciting upgrading to a new distro
[10:40] <Vampis> cfraz89: always :)
[10:40] <Bilford> the main thing keeping a lot of people switching is games, but Cedega might change that
[10:40] <cfraz89> lol im working on a game
[10:40] <cfraz89> http://automanic.sf.net :)
[10:41] <Bilford> it takes a while to load links for some reason
[10:41] <Bilford> from IRC
[10:41] <cfraz89> are you using konversation?
[10:41] <Bilford> FF
[10:41] <Bilford> oh
[10:41] <Bilford> yeah
[10:41] <Bilford> Konversation
[10:41] <Bilford> I like it
[10:41] <cfraz89> yeah
[10:42] <Bilford> ok
[10:42] <Bilford> I changed a setting
[10:42] <cfraz89> I don't think Cedega will really gain momentum until it becomes opensource
[10:42] <Vampis> mhm
[10:42] <Vampis> cant agree more
[10:42] <Vampis> why pay for something that dont is guaranteed to work
[10:42] <cfraz89> i used to use winex when the cvs was available
[10:42] <cfraz89> true
[10:44] <Bilford> what language is that game written in
[10:44] <cfraz89> c++
[10:44] <cfraz89> i'd like to get a bit of python into it
[10:45] <Bilford> I write php games
[10:45] <Bilford> c++ is too hard to learn
[10:45] <cfraz89> lol i dont think so
[10:45] <Bilford> I hate it
[10:45] <Bilford> I love php
[10:45] <cfraz89> i started learning it when i was 10
[10:46] <Bilford> I'll never learn it
[10:47] <cfraz89> lol
[10:47] <cfraz89> what about python?
[10:47] <Bilford> I dont know it
[10:47] <cfraz89> im going to some friend's houses today to practice it
[10:47] <Bilford> just php
[10:47] <Bilford> what is python used for
[10:47] <cfraz89> were entering a programming competition in a month
[10:47] <cfraz89> Bilfod: lots
[10:47] <Bilford> apps?
[10:47] <Bilford> or web
[10:47] <cfraz89> apps
[10:47] <cfraz89> and scripts
[10:48] <Bilford> is it more like php or more like c++
[10:48] <cfraz89> more like c++ id say
[10:48] <cfraz89> but way more elegant
[10:49] <noteventime> Python is nice
[10:49] <noteventime> C++ is my language though
[10:49] <noteventime> :)
[10:49] <noteventime> Perfect balance :D
[10:50] <noteventime> Bilford, C++ isn't to hard to learn
[10:50] <noteventime> It might not be the best first language, but it isn't that hard
[10:50] <Bilford> how do you run that game
[10:50] <Bilford> automanic_static
[10:51] <noteventime> ?
[10:51] <cfraz89> yep
[10:51] <cfraz89> you have to run it from the directory its in though
[10:51] <cfraz89> so you have to open terminal at directory
[10:51] <noteventime> cfraz89, What IDE are you using, KDevelop? kate/vim and plain makefiles?
[10:51] <cfraz89> Bilford: i've worked on it lots since that version
[10:52] <Bilford> whats the command to run it
[10:52] <cfraz89> so its better now :)
[10:52] <cfraz89> im not proud of it
[10:52] <cfraz89> Bilford: ./automanic_static
[10:52] <cfraz89> noteventime: kate and jam
[10:52] <noteventime> ok, why jam?
[10:52] <Bilford> I dont have libCgGL.so
[10:53] <cfraz89> Bilford: theres a version that is built without cg
[10:53] <noteventime> Bilford, YOu can get the lib fromo nvidas home page
[10:53] <cfraz89> noteventime: no maintenance, better cs compatibility
[10:53] <Bilford> ok
[10:53] <cfraz89> Bilford: or you can download the other version
[10:53] <noteventime> Have you ever tried CMake or scons?
[10:54] <Bilford> I am
[10:54] <cfraz89> noteventime: no
[10:54] <cfraz89> cmake sounds good though
[10:54] <cfraz89> but all the cs people encourage jam
[10:54] <noteventime> ok, crystal space?
[10:55] <noteventime> Bilford, here is the libcg download if you still want it: http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cg_toolkit.html
[10:55] <kosh> I like kdevelop3
[10:55] <cfraz89> so do i
[10:55] <cfraz89> but doesnt work with jam
[10:55] <kosh> never used jam
[10:55] <cfraz89> noteventime: yep
[10:55] <kosh> probably never will
[10:55] <noteventime> It works with CMake, more or less :)
[10:56] <kosh> I mostly write python :)
[10:56] <noteventime> And as KDE4 will use CMake is guess it will be better supported in KDevelop4
[10:56] <noteventime> Python support in KDevelop3 is nice
[10:56] <cfraz89> yeah
[10:57] <cfraz89> noteventime: i thought the only python support in kdevelop was syntax highlighting?
[10:57] <noteventime> I've only used it for a few minutes to obe honest, But i got the impression it was rather well supported
[10:57] <kosh> nope it also understand objects clases methods
[10:57] <noteventime> Maybe I was wronog :D
[10:58] <cfraz89> kosh, ill check it out again then
[10:58] <kosh> it can also run code but it won't run mine for other reasons
[10:58] <cfraz89> because weve got programming competition in a month
[10:58] <kosh> my code will only run within zope so it can't be run seperately
[10:58] <cfraz89> and were going to own it up with python
[10:58] <kosh> the class inheritance diagram also works in python
[10:58] <Bilford> it wont run
[10:58] <cfraz89> what happens?
[10:59] <noteventime> kosh, How's zope
[10:59] <Bilford> oh, I need libode.so
[10:59] <cfraz89> Bilford: oh yeah that was a problem
[10:59] <noteventime> bilfors, it's availible in apt
[10:59] <cfraz89> sorry
[10:59] <kosh> noteventime: works very well
[10:59] <noteventime> bilford*
[10:59] <Bilford> what is it
[11:00] <noteventime> kosh, I'm currently trying to learn TurboGears, Also a python web framework
[11:00] <Bilford> I'll check Adept
[11:00] <kosh> noteventime: yeah it just does not have any of the security framework that I need
[11:00] <cfraz89> Bilford: ode is the physics engine i use
[11:00] <noteventime> ahh, ok :D
[11:00] <kosh> noteventime: I don't think there is pretty much anything with a security system on par with zope
[11:00] <cfraz89> I'm trying to push out a new version of automanic soon
[11:01] <Bilford> libode0c2
[11:01] <cfraz89> http://home.exetel.com.au/cfraz89/0.0.2.png
[11:01] <noteventime> Well, security isn't really a conosern to me as I'm mosly developing just for fun and for school :D
[11:01] <cfraz89> Bilford: yep
[11:01] <kosh> noteventime: I am developing for businesses
[11:02] <noteventime> :) we'r in defferent worlds kosh
[11:02] <noteventime> gah
[11:02] <noteventime> I hate this keyboard
[11:03] <kosh> yup
[11:03] <cfraz89> whoops wrong link
[11:03] <cfraz89> name.Compare("Railgun")
[11:03] <cfraz89> whoops
[11:03] <cfraz89> http://home.exetel.com.au/cfraz89/0.2.png
[11:03] <cfraz89> there
[11:03] <xxenon> cfraz89 - used cg shaders ?
[11:04] <Bilford> do I have to log out and in for libode to work
[11:04] <noteventime> no :)
[11:04] <cfraz89> xxenon, sorry, never written one
[11:04] <cfraz89> Bilford: no, itll be ok
[11:04] <Bilford> it didnt work.  maybe I need libode dev files too
[11:04] <xxenon> cfraz89 - why requiring libcg then ?
[11:05] <cfraz89> xxenon, the shaders have both cg and asm versions
[11:05] <cfraz89> the default build uses cg
[11:05] <Bilford> ok
[11:05] <xxenon> ok
[11:05] <cfraz89> Bilford: sorry
[11:05] <cfraz89> ubuntu's ode.so must go under a different name
[11:06] <cfraz89> do you have /usr/lib/libode.so ?
[11:06] <cfraz89> i compile ode from source snapshots
[11:06] <noteventime> libode.so.0
[11:06] <kronoz> is their a way to search for what package provides what with apt?
[11:06] <cfraz89> oh
[11:07] <cfraz89> Bilford: could you please run:
[11:07] <noteventime> sudo cp /usr/lib/libode.so.0 /usr/lib/libode.so
[11:07] <cfraz89> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libode.so.0 /usr/lib/libode.so
[11:07] <Bilford> ok
[11:07] <cfraz89> lol
[11:07] <noteventime> :)
[11:07] <Bilford> cg version doesnt use libode?
[11:07] <cfraz89> they both do
[11:07] <cfraz89> cg version also uses libcg though
[11:07] <cfraz89> Bilford: you're going through a lot of effort to play a crappy game lol :)
[11:08] <Bilford> Im learning how to use LInux
[11:08] <cfraz89> true
[11:09] <cfraz89> i promise 0.2 will be much better
[11:09] <cfraz89> hopefully to install aswell
[11:09] <noteventime> cfrax89, Why did you decide to use CS?
[11:09] <noteventime> z*
[11:09] <cfraz89> noteventime: really nice integration with ode
[11:10] <noteventime> ok :) cool
[11:10] <cfraz89> and the tech-demos were impressive
[11:10] <cfraz89> i looked at a game which used ode with ogre
[11:10] <cfraz89> and it looked scary
[11:10] <noteventime> buggy?
[11:10] <cfraz89> no
[11:10] <Bilford> oh well
[11:10] <Bilford> I'll wait then
[11:10] <cfraz89> just raw ode code looks really complex
[11:10] <cfraz89> Bilford: didn't work?
[11:10] <Bilford> need  libcal3d.so.11
[11:10] <noteventime> ahh, Maybe there is some kind of wrapper library
[11:11] <cfraz89> oh
[11:11] <noteventime> Bilord, also in adept :)
[11:11] <cfraz89> i didn't realise it had so many dependencies
[11:11] <noteventime> bilford*
[11:11] <cfraz89> its not
[11:11] <cfraz89> the cal3d in adept is 0.10
[11:11] <Bilford> ok
[11:11] <cfraz89> i cant get 0.11 to work in kubuntu
[11:12] <noteventime> libcal3d11-dev
[11:12] <noteventime> Looks like 11 to ome :/
[11:12] <cfraz89> really?
[11:12] <noteventime> Are you running dapper?
[11:12] <Bilford> I am
[11:12] <cfraz89> yep
[11:12] <noteventime> hmm, I just made a search
[11:12] <noteventime> maybe it was updated recently
[11:13] <cfraz89> noteventime: its still 0.10
[11:13] <cfraz89> even though it says 11
[11:13] <cfraz89> thats what adept says under candidate version
[11:13] <noteventime> Wierd
[11:13] <cfraz89> yeah
[11:14] <noteventime> You'r right
[11:15] <noteventime> Maybe they just forgot to change the version :/
[11:15] <cfraz89> lol
[11:15] <noteventime> :D
[11:16] <noteventime>  /usr/lib/libcal3d.so.11 is installed now :/
[11:16] <cfraz89> cool
[11:16] <cfraz89> ill see how it goes
[11:16] <noteventime> It's in the apt package
[11:16] <cfraz89> thanks
[11:16] <noteventime> cfraz89, Where can i get the game?
[11:16] <noteventime> I want to try too now
[11:17] <cfraz89> http://automanic.sf.net
[11:17] <noteventime> :D
[11:17] <cfraz89> lol
[11:17] <cfraz89> do you have crystal space installed?
[11:17] <noteventime> Lets hope it runs on this comp
[11:17] <cfraz89> if you do i can give you my devel version
[11:17] <cfraz89> which is much better imo
[11:17] <noteventime> Thanks, if I don't have CS I'll install it
[11:18] <cfraz89> so you would like devel version?
[11:18] <noteventime> yes :)
[11:18] <cfraz89> ok lol
[11:18] <cfraz89> ill upload what i have
[11:19] <noteventime> cfraz89, Is semi-stable 0.99  ok?
[11:19] <cfraz89> you'll need the cs and cel snapshots from http://www.crystalspace3d.org
[11:19] <cfraz89> noteventime: should be
[11:19] <noteventime> ok
[11:19] <cfraz89> if it is most recent one
[11:20] <Mars^> Hi are they any debs for new thunderbird, cause i dont know how to install one i downloaded from mozilla ssite :/
[11:21] <noteventime> What is Crystal Entity Layer really, never got the hang of it
[11:21] <cfraz89> noteventime, it abstracts crystal space
[11:21] <cfraz89> so instead of having a camera, and a whole lot of meshes
[11:21] <cfraz89> you have entities
[11:21] <noteventime> Cool
[11:21] <cfraz89> an entity which has a mesh, and a camera following it for example
[11:22] <cfraz89> makes game-making easier
[11:22] <noteventime> Mars^, doesn't look like 1.5.0.3 has a deb yet
[11:22] <noteventime> cfratz89, Abstraction is always nice :D as long as there isn't a too large performance hit
[11:22] <cfraz89> i'm uploading it now, might take a whie
[11:22] <cfraz89> yeah
[11:23] <Mars^> noteventime, So can you tell me how to install the one i downloaded from mozilla page?
[11:23] <noteventime> Mars^, Which one? The source?
[11:23] <cfraz89> i've just finished the entity loading stuff,
[11:23] <cfraz89> now all i have to do is make a good map which uses it
[11:23] <cfraz89> and then i'll have weapon and health pickups
[11:23] <cfraz89> and then i can release 0.2
[11:24] <noteventime> I should really do more "real" programming :P
[11:24] <Mars^> Hmm i have 1.5.0.2 And its binary I run it,. But is there any way to install it ?
[11:24] <noteventime> Mars^, 1.5.0.2 is availible fromo adept
[11:25] <Mars^> oh, where can i get resp?
[11:25] <noteventime> Mars^, Are youo runing dapper?
[11:25] <noteventime> running*
[11:25] <Mars^> no 5.10 soon i will go into dapper
[11:25] <Mars^> after stable
[11:26] <noteventime> Mars^, I think 1.5.0.2 is dapper only
[11:26] <noteventime> Mars^, I'd suggest upgrading. Stable is released in a little more than a week
[11:26] <Mars^> Hope i wont crash kubuntu like i did in 5.4>5.10 swith
[11:28] <Mars^> I will do it today, after a little cleaning kd.
[11:31] <cfraz89> Bilford: why did you decide to switch to linux?
[11:34] <noteventime> cfraz89, Do oyou have any idea if libcg1.5 beta will work with CS?
[11:34] <cfraz89> noteventime: i didnt even know it existed
[11:34] <noteventime> ok :D
[11:34] <kronoz> is there a way to check how many times a program has been run during the current uptime?
[11:36] <cfraz89> kronoz: the system logs might help
[11:37] <Bilford> um
[11:38] <Bilford> my laptop had 6 days left before I had to activate
[11:38] <Bilford> and my desktop got invaded
[11:38] <Bilford> trojan
[11:39] <Bilford> using the lame Windows REmote Assistance thing
[11:39] <xanax`> hello
[11:39] <cfraz89> wow
[11:39] <cfraz89> hi
[11:39] <cfraz89> yay, its done
[11:40] <cfraz89> noteventime: http://home.exetel.com.au/cfraz89/automanic-0.2-pre.tar.bz2
[11:40] <cfraz89> thanks!
[11:40] <noteventime> Thanks :D
[11:40] <cfraz89> hope it works
[11:40] <Bilford> is that a cg version
[11:40] <cfraz89> its a source version
[11:41] <cfraz89> so it needs a new crystalspace and cel install
[11:41] <noteventime> cfraz89, I still need to compile CS and CEL so it will take a while :D
[11:41] <cfraz89> noteventime: sure
[11:41] <noteventime> I've been hunting down dependecies :D
[11:41] <cfraz89> just dont forget it needs to be run from its own directory
[11:41] <noteventime> ok
[11:41] <noteventime> no jam install :)
[11:42] <noteventime> "jam install"*
[11:42] <cfraz89> the source version doesnt depend on cal3d or cg
[11:42] <cfraz89> yeah, no install
[11:42] <noteventime> But CS does more or less :D
[11:42] <cfraz89> not really
[11:42] <noteventime> If you want the functionality it does X-D
[11:42] <cfraz89> problem is i cant work out how to make it read its config file relative to its location
[11:42] <cfraz89> only relative to the current directory
[11:43] <noteventime> I have no idea :D
[11:43] <cfraz89> lol
[11:43] <noteventime> Maybe I'll use CS some time, then it's better to get all the libs :D
[11:43] <cfraz89> true
[11:43] <noteventime> Only took a few minutes
[11:43] <Yamasinakanotema> Hi How can i update to dapper from 5.10 ?
[11:44] <noteventime> Yamasinakanotema, change all breezy in /ets/apt/sources.list to dapper
[11:44] <noteventime> then run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[11:45] <cfraz89> gtg now
[11:45] <Yamasinakanotema> words?
[11:45] <cfraz89> thanks everyone!
[11:45] <noteventime> :D
[11:46] <noteventime> Ltes hope your game works on this comp
[11:46] <noteventime> bye
[11:46] <cfraz89> lol thanks
[11:46] <cfraz89> bye
[11:46] <noteventime> Yamasinakanotema, ?
[11:46] <Yamasinakanotema> where can i fiond dapper respos list?
[11:47] <noteventime> Yamasinakanotema, first run "sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:47] <Yamasinakanotema> ya
[11:47] <noteventime> Yamasinakanotema, Same as breezy but "dapper" instead of breezy
[11:47] <hastesaver> !sources
[11:47] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:48] <Yamasinakanotema> And then?
[11:49] <hastesaver> Yamasinakanotema, you want to upgrade to Dapper?
[11:49] <noteventime> then run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[11:50] <Yamasinakanotema> hastesaver, yes
[11:50] <hastesaver> !upgrade
[11:50] <ubotu> I heard upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[11:51] <Yamasinakanotema> And one more question. Where are system sound files stored, cuse i would like to use the one of breaking window one.
[11:51] <hastesaver> Yamasinakanotema, in short, run "kdesu update-manager -d"
[11:51] <noteventime> Yamasinakanotema, How do youo mean stored?
[11:51] <Yamasinakanotema> where are they
[11:52] <noteventime> In the filesystem?
[11:52] <noteventime> or where do you set which ones to ouse
[11:52] <noteventime>  /usr/share/sounds
[11:53] <hastesaver> Yamasinakanotema,  /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Glass_Break.ogg is probably what you want :)
[11:56] <Yamasinakanotema> thanks
[12:01] <semboy> hello where do i save the file tahoma.ttf
[12:01] <semboy> to what diroctory
[12:02] <nico8481> hi
[12:02] <semboy> hi
[12:02] <semboy> hello where do i save the file tahoma.ttf
[12:02] <semboy> to what diroctory
[12:02] <semboy> please help me out man
[12:02] <semboy> i just started to setup wine
[12:03] <semboy> NICO8481 help me please :)
[12:03] <noteventime> semboy, ?
[12:03] <BazziR> semboy: did you install msttcorefonts?
[12:03] <semboy> nah
[12:03] <semboy> where do i get it?
[12:03] <BazziR> make it so, then
[12:03] <BazziR> through apt
[12:03] <nico8481> semboy: no idea
[12:03] <noteventime> semboy "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonots"
[12:04] <noteventime> semboy "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[12:04] <BazziR> you've got a nice set of ttfs then already
[12:04] <BazziR> afterwards copy them to ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts
[12:04] <semboy> cp ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts             ?
[12:05] <BazziR> localise where they are
[12:05] <BazziR> cp *.ttf ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts
[12:05] <BazziR> when you are in the fonts dir
[12:06] <BazziR> should be something like /usr/share/fonts or /usr/X11/fonts or so
[12:06] <semboy> sorry but i just started linux
[12:06] <semboy> ;(
[12:06] <BazziR> hehe
[12:06] <BazziR> wine is quite a beast for a first time linuxer
[12:07] <semboy> aha
[12:07] <hastesaver> semboy, did you do "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts" ?
[12:07] <semboy> yep
[12:09] <semboy> semboy@SigurNafnjesu:~/.wine/drive_c/mozcontrol$ cp ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts
[12:09] <semboy> cp: missing destination file
[12:09] <semboy> what did i do wrong now
[12:09] <semboy> ;S
[12:09] <hastesaver> semboy, oh, some of those instructions BazziR gave were for Wine, nevermind if you don't have Wine.
[12:10] <semboy> i have wine
[12:12] <semboy> -> /home/semboy/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts           -there is fonts stuff -but ther is no files in it
[12:12] <BazziR> semboy: wait a sec
[12:12] <semboy> k
[12:12] <BazziR> I'll give you step by step
[12:12] <BazziR> first do "sudo updatedb"
[12:12] <uwo> hi all. where do i find the "udev rules"?
[12:12] <BazziR> then "locate *.tff"
[12:13] <BazziR> tell me when you got output
[12:15] <semboy> i typed sudo updatedb than it waits -but no output
[12:16] <semboy> than type locate *.tff ?
[12:17] <semboy> but got no output Neither error
[12:20] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> hehe but i update my video card -i did not need no help with that :P
[12:21] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> !show me the money
[12:21] <ubotu> SeMb0YNewtolinux: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:21] <ccc_> SeMb0YNewtolinux: fonts are ttf, not tff
[12:22] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> yeah
[12:22] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i got output
[12:22] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> thx man
[12:23] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> Bazzir is mad at me ;( -sorry but i am newbe man
[12:23] <BazziR> I am studying :)
[12:23] <BazziR> that's why I'm not instantly replying
[12:23] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> :D
[12:24] <BazziR> SeMb0YNewtolinux, updatedb produces no output
[12:24] <BazziR> and takes a while
[12:24] <BazziR> locate should do some output though
[12:24] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> locate
[12:24] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i got output
[12:24] <BazziR> ooo
[12:24] <BazziR> paste the first two lines here
[12:25] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> semboy@SigurNafnjesu:~/.wine/drive_c/mozcontrol$ locate *.ttf
[12:25] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> /var/lib/defoma/gs.d/dirs/fonts/VeraMono.ttf
[12:25] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> /var/lib/defoma/gs.d/dirs/fonts/VeraMoBd.ttf
[12:25] <BazziR> is something with Arial.ttf included in the output?
[12:26] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i will check
[12:27] <MetaMorfoziS> hey all, i'm use two keyboard mapping, the hungarian and the english, i'm setted it in kcontrol and then a little applicatioon is started in my kicker that signs what mapping i use (With a flag). So today this app causes some error, without the en/hu flag only an "err" text shown
[12:28] <MetaMorfoziS> why? and how can i repair it?
[12:29] <assclown> is it right that grub cannot boot an XFS partition directly ?
[12:31] <ajayc> hi guys
[12:31] <ajayc> i dunno why i cant shutdown my kubuntu livecd
[12:31] <ajayc> it hangs after it ejects the disc
[12:31] <ajayc> any idea?
[12:32] <ajayc> guys?
[12:32] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> nope i dont find any ariel
[12:32] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> ;S
[12:32] <assclown> is that really a big issue /
[12:32] <assclown> ?
[12:32] <ajayc> is that to me?
[12:32] <assclown> yep
[12:32] <assclown> :D
[12:32] <ajayc> it is a big issue
[12:33] <ajayc> if i cant shutdwon my laptop
[12:33] <assclown> oh ok... fair enough
[12:33] <assclown> are you talking about while running it from the CD
[12:33] <ajayc> is acpi enabled by default?
[12:33] <ajayc> yes assclown
[12:33] <assclown> or you installed the livecd to the harddrive ?
[12:33] <ajayc> live mode
[12:33] <assclown> hmmmm no idea
[12:34] <_JP> hmm, does the MBR remain untouched if i install GRUB on the root partition instead?
[12:34] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> BazziR ther is no Arial.ttf
[12:35] <BazziR> should be after installing msttcorefonts though :(
[12:35] <epokh> hi
[12:35] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> maybe i eyez are not working well
[12:35] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> ;|
[12:35] <epokh> does somebody has installed skype on kuby??
[12:35] <chx> hi. I did a make-kpkg in /usr/src/linux and kernel compiled OK but there is no .deb anywhere in sight :(
[12:36] <tictric> chx: it's one level up
[12:36] <chx> i know
[12:36] <chx> ls /usr/src inux  linux-headers-2.6.12-9  linux-headers-2.6.12-9-k7  linux-source-2.6.15  linux-source-2.6.15.tar.bz2  rpm
[12:36] <chx> that's what I have in /usr/src
[12:37] <tictric> I haven't compiled a kernel for a long time but my guess is that you made a mistake on the command line
[12:38] <chx> ? I typed make-kpkg and nothing else....
[12:39] <tictric> make-kpkg kernel_image
[12:39] <tictric> but first I'd do a man make-kpkg
[12:40] <tictric> and read through it.
[12:40] <tictric> Especially if you are using initramfs
[12:40] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, case? Did you try both arial.ttf and Arial.ttf?
[12:41] <tictric> chx: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-kernel-details
[12:41] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> yes
[12:41] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i did something wrong i now it
[12:41] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> know it
[12:42] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, I have it in /var/lib/defoma/gs.d/dirs/fonts/, /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/, and /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/
[12:43] <tictric> chx: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html
[12:43] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> aha
[12:44] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> The file or folder file:///usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ does not exist.
[12:44] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> what is wrong ?
[12:45] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, you haven't installed msttcorefonts, I'd say :)
[12:45] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> heh lol
[12:45] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[12:45] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> ?
[12:46] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, yes, and what does it say?
[12:47] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> come on channel and i will paste it
[12:47] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> #semboyisthebest channel :P
[12:47] <BazziR> use kubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:47] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> ;S
[12:48] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> why cant you just come on the channel
[12:48] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> another problem
[12:49] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> how do i paste it here
[12:49] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> ;S
[12:49] <BazziR> the url you get
[12:49] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> bazzir
[12:49] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> can you just come on something channel so i can paste it
[12:50] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> is it hard to come on something channel like #blue
[12:50] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, no, you'll have to get used to Pastebin sooner or later :p
[12:50] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, besides, everyone can look at it if you paste it at pastebin, even those who don't enter the channel
[12:51] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> ok bring it on than
[12:51] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> what is the site?
[12:51] <hastesaver> !pastebin
[12:51] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[12:51] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, or kubuntu.pastebin.com :)
[12:52] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14332 ok i have sendit
[12:54] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, are you sure you have enabled multiverse? Paste your /etc/apt/sources.list also if you're not sure
[12:55] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> no i have not
[12:55] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> what do i paste?
[12:55] <BazziR> well nothing then
[12:55] <BazziR> go to synaptic and enable universe and multiverse :)
[12:55] <BazziR> errr adept
[12:56] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> lol now i understand
[12:56] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> ok how to enble?
[12:56] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> you mean install?
[12:57] <BazziR> no
[12:57] <BazziR> can someone with adept ready help him please? :)
[12:57] <uros> hi all. i am trying to sudo apt-get build-dep ffmpeg, but it doesn't find the sources in the repositories, how do i find out which repositories i must add?
[12:58] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> Bazzir i go to adept than
[12:58] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> manage
[12:58] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, start adept, and go to manage repositories
[12:58] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i mean that
[12:58] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> :P
[12:58] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i am good at this
[12:58] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, right-click the ones that say "universe" or "multiverse" in them, and click enable
[01:00] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> sorry but cant find it
[01:00] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i
[01:00] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> like i say i am noob :)
[01:02] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, you see a list, right?
[01:02] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> aha
[01:02] <kronoz> how can the normal firefox icon be used?
[01:02] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, look in the "components" column
[01:03] <hastesaver> BTW, why don't KDE people work on the wiki? It seems to contain only Gnome howtos for most of these simple things...
[01:03] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> aha?
[01:03] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> FOUND IT
[01:03] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> yeah baby
[01:03] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> what than?
[01:04] <BazziR> once enabled make an apt-get update
[01:04] <BazziR> and sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[01:04] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> ok quit adpt?
[01:04] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, once you've enabled all of them that say universe or multiverse, apply, commit changes, and fetch updates
[01:04] <BazziR> yes
[01:05] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[01:05] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[01:06] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, oh, you have run it as root. Did adept ask for a password when you started it?
[01:06] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> nope
[01:06] <Tarzipan> moin
[01:07] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, then close it, and start it with "kdesu adept", and repeat
[01:08] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> kdesu adept cant find it
[01:08] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i am on ubuntu
[01:09] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, oh, you started adept from the menu? And it didn't ask for a password?
[01:09] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> nope
[01:10] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> The APT Database will be opened in read-only mode, this means you cannot install/uninstall/upgrade anything. You have to run this program as root to be able to do that.
[01:10] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> THIS SCREEN PUPPS upp when i open adpet
[01:11] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, ok, type "kdesu adept" at a terminal then (konsole)
[01:11] <Flosoft> hey
[01:11] <Flosoft> my K3B isn't starting :S
[01:12] <Flosoft> it also doesn't give me an error output when I launch it via Console
[01:12] <kronoz> have you run the k3b permissions setup thing?
[01:12] <Flosoft> how?
[01:12] <hastesaver> Flosoft, really? What happens when you type "k3b" at the konsole? Do you get the promp back?
[01:13] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i dont have terminal
[01:13] <Flosoft> hastesaver: nothing
[01:13] <kronoz> SeMb0YNewtolinux, are you in KDE or GNOME?
[01:13] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> gnome
[01:13] <Flosoft> root@Ubuntu:/home/admin # ps ax | grep k3b
[01:13] <Flosoft>  8422 ?        D      0:00 k3b
[01:13] <Flosoft>  9270 pts/3    R+     0:00 grep k3b
[01:13] <Flosoft> root@Ubuntu:/home/admin #
[01:13] <Flosoft> that is what I find
[01:14] <Flosoft> and I can't kill it either
[01:14] <Flosoft> tried kill -9 etc.
[01:14] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, then why are you on #kubuntu?
[01:14] <kronoz> ok, first go to, #ubuntu second, go to Applications > System > Gnome Terminal
[01:14] <Flosoft> where is the permission setup?
[01:14] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> lol
[01:14] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i got terminal
[01:14] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> :P
[01:15] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i am on kde
[01:15] <kronoz> ok
[01:15] <kronoz> SemB0YNewtolinux, what are you trying to do again?
[01:16] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> trying to get wine to wrok
[01:17] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> but adpt not working
[01:17] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> iss allways
[01:17] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> The APT Database will be opened in read-only mode, this means you cannot install/uninstall/upgrade anything. You have to run this program as root to be able to do that.
[01:17] <kronoz> SemB0YNewtolinux, sudo apt-get install wine?
[01:17] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i have done
[01:17] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> it
[01:17] <uros> does anyone know the repo for amarok 1.4 for breezy
[01:17] <Flosoft> does anyone else have problems with K3B?
[01:18] <Flosoft> look on the kubuntu website uros
[01:18] <kronoz> uros, check kubuntu.org
[01:18] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i am trying to get the fonts
[01:18] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> you know
[01:18] <kronoz> download them and install them with System Settings > Fonts?
[01:19] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> Arial.ttf  cant find this stuff
[01:19] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> arial.ttf
[01:21] <kronoz> if you have a windows installation on your hdd copy the fonts from c:\WINDOWS\fonts to /home/youruser/fonts and install them with the system settings fonts module from there
[01:22] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> but how the hell can i do that
[01:22] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> man
[01:22] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> ?
[01:22] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i have windows running
[01:22] <BazziR> heh
[01:22] <BazziR> poor SeMb0YNewtolinux
[01:22] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> BazziR
[01:23] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> why stop helping me ;S
[01:23] <BazziR> there are 200 other people in this channel ;-)
[01:24] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> comon
[01:24] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> man
[01:24] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i cant find the stupid ariel.ttf ;S
[01:24] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> Awwwww :D
[01:24] <kronoz> C:\WINDOWSzfonts
[01:24] <BazziR> make multiverse work properly first
[01:25] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> aha
[01:25] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> but i get error
[01:25] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14332 check it
[01:26] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> ther is the paste stuff the error stuff i mean
[01:27] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, you haven't got multiverse working. Tell us the truth -- are you using KDE or Gnome?
[01:27] <fek> hi
[01:27] <fek> what's up2date? dapper or breezy?
[01:28] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i am using gnome so what
[01:28] <hastesaver> fek, Dapper will be released on June 1st
[01:28] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, Good, so we can help you better.
[01:29] <fek> hastesaver: ah, thanks for the info
[01:29] <uros> looked into kubuntu.org for amarok 1.4 backports for breezy but couldn't find them (only 1.4 for dapper) - does this mean they don't yet exist?
[01:29] <hastesaver> !tell SeMb0YNewtolinux about multiverse
[01:29] <BazziR> uros: amarok 1.4 wont be backported
[01:30] <hastesaver> SeMb0YNewtolinux, read that?
[01:30] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> ok i will read this
[01:30] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i do what ever i can to get this stupid wine to work :@
[01:31] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> i am not a quiter !
[01:32] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> The APT Database will be opened in read-only mode, this means you cannot install/uninstall/upgrade anything. You have to run this program as root to be able to do that.
[01:32] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> ohhh this problem 2
[01:32] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> what is going on to the world today?
[01:32] <Flosoft> ah ... I found the problem
[01:33] <Flosoft> I can only run k3b as root :S
[01:33] <Flosoft> wasn't that an old bug?
[01:34] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> how do i run it as a root
[01:34] <SeMb0YNewtolinux> someone help me please
[01:34] <ccc_> uros: here's amarok 1.4 for breezy though: http://www.czessi.net
[01:42] <uros> ccc: tnx
[01:58] <semboy> ups
[01:59] <semboy> yes
[01:59] <semboy> i am ther
[01:59] <semboy> but -how do i sign in
[01:59] <semboy> to chat private chat
[01:59] <hastesaver> !register
[01:59] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[02:01] <keqiuguang> why can't i install wine?
[02:02] <keqiuguang> and what is a flex package?
[02:03] <KDEfanboy> adept crashed and now always thinks it's still running, refusing to install anything (i knew it would happen eventually...), what lock file needs to be removed to get it fixed?
[02:03] <txus> to install wine you must to enable universe ports on /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:03] <sPiDeRmAn> huh?
[02:03] <sPiDeRmAn> whats that?
[02:04] <txus> and then sudo apt-get install wine
[02:04] <txus> with an editor
[02:04] <evert_> Hello , sry for asking it here... but does somebody knows a good c++ channel ?
[02:04] <sPiDeRmAn> so to install wine
[02:04] <txus> open the file with root privilegies
[02:04] <KDEfanboy> #c++ ?
[02:04] <sPiDeRmAn> i need to be root
[02:05] <evert_> thx :)
[02:05] <txus> and delete the carather "#" at the beginning of the line thaht content universe at the end
[02:06] <txus> sorry for my english isn't good :(
[02:07] <KDEfanboy> grr need to find the apt lock file
[02:10] <hastesaver> KDEfanboy, in the worst case, try rebooting :)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hastesaver: it says where it is, doenst it?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hastesaver: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[02:10] <Hobbsee> if you're sure it's not open
[02:11] <hastesaver> Hobbsee, KDEfanboy, not me... I didn't know it shows that error message...
[02:11] <KDEfanboy> lol not an option :P .. well i tried removing a couple lock files in /var that looked like they were to apt but didn't get anywhere. just did apt-get and it says to run dpkg --configure -a to correct an interrupted dpkg, so i think this might do it
[02:13] <KDEfanboy> nah it didn't show where but ahh there it goes that did it.. much better.. too bad adept doesn't catch that by itself
[02:13] <Hobbsee> yes, do what it says
[02:13] <Hobbsee> he
[02:13] <Hobbsee> h
[02:14] <semboy> !paste
[02:14] <ubotu> Please don't flood the channel! For best results use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and tell people the URL
[02:27] <uros> bash: /usr/bin/ffmpeg: No such file or directory
[02:27] <uros> hi again. followed wiki on installing/modifying ffmpeg for encoding ipod files. after installation i get "bash: /usr/bin/ffmpeg: No such file or directory"
[02:29] <_ubuntu> hello
[02:29] <cawt> hi all
[02:29] <_ubuntu> who can tell me which things I have to install for NVIDIA drivers
[02:29] <Hobbsee> !nvidia
[02:29] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:30] <_ubuntu> thanks
[02:30] <Hobbsee> uros: did you install ffmpeg first?
[02:30] <_ubuntu> no
[02:30] <_ubuntu> oo
[02:30] <_ubuntu> sorry
[02:30] <_ubuntu> :)
[02:31] <uros> hobbsee: i believe it was already installed and through following the wiki i replaced it with one i built from source... if i do ffm+(tab) i get the command, but when run i get the error
[02:31] <_ubuntu> Hobbsee: how to reconfigure xorg.conf ?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> !+xcfg
[02:32] <ubotu> xcfg is probably to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:32] <_ubuntu> because I delete is
[02:32] <_ubuntu> 10x:)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> uros: dapper or breezy?
[02:32] <uros> hobbsee: breezy
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hmm...
[02:33] <Hobbsee> it's a binary...
[02:34] <_ubuntu> !nvidia
[02:34] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:36] <Hobbsee> uros: out of curiosity, why'd you build it from source?
[02:36] <KDEfanboy> 3 part question: does the arts plugin for amarok work for anyone?  is there an arts plugin for xine? should the xine plugin for arts list xine as a possible audio method for arts? having trouble with all 3
[02:36] <Hobbsee> KDEfanboy: were you the one asking about arts yesterday?
[02:36] <uros> hobbsee: it was in the WIKI: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iPodVideoEncoding?highlight=%28ipod%29; "For a litany of legal reasons, ffmpeg does not come with all of the necessary things enabled for you to encode video for the iPod Video by default. Therefore, we need to build it from source"
[02:37] <KDEfanboy> Hobbsee: nope
[02:37] <Hobbsee> uros: interesting - i just got mine from dapper multiverse...
[02:37] <Hobbsee> KDEfanboy: hmmm...right
[02:37] <uros> hobsee: actually i never tried the one installed by default :) - opened wiki first
[02:40] <Hobbsee> oh okay
[02:42] <cawt> I would like to install firefox but , being completely new to linux I don't know the first thing about installing stuff...
[02:43] <hastesaver> !firefox1.5
[02:43] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[02:43] <cawt> oO
[02:43] <cawt> thx :)
[02:43] <hastesaver> cawt, if you want only the old version (Firefox 1.0.8, it's already installed)
[02:44] <cawt> i'd rather have the latest one (and it's an occasion to "install stuff")
[02:47] <txus> hi everybody
[02:47] <KDEfanboy> heya
[02:57] <cfraz89> hi
[02:59] <cfraz89> noteventime, how did it go?
[03:00] <noteventime> ahh, forgot after compiling CS
[03:00] <cfraz89> lol
[03:00] <noteventime> thanks
[03:00] <cfraz89> np
[03:00] <noteventime> compiling cel now
[03:01] <cfraz89> after learning python with friends, we all decided that python basically is:
[03:01] <noteventime> LOADS of warnings from cel :P
[03:01] <cfraz89> Python.Answer() -- solve any problem
[03:01] <noteventime> :D true
[03:01] <cfraz89> noteventime: thats ok if they are about virtual destructors
[03:01] <noteventime> yep
[03:01] <noteventime> I'm teaching a friend python right now :)
[03:02] <cfraz89> lol
[03:02] <noteventime> Great first-programming-language
[03:02] <cfraz89> i think its a great third language lol
[03:02] <noteventime> It's a great language ;)
[03:02] <cfraz89> yeah
[03:02] <hastesaver> Haskell is the best first programming language ;)
[03:02] <cfraz89> itd be awesome to win
[03:02] <noteventime> but C++ is stioll the best ^^
[03:02] <cfraz89> $3000 prize money + $3000 scholarship
[03:03] <noteventime> haha, common lisp is the best first programming language
[03:03] <h3sp4wn> ARM assembler is the best first programming language
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[03:03] <cfraz89> one of the people in our team knows assembler lol
[03:04] <hastesaver> No, seriously. Common lisp and assembly and python (?) aren't even typed....
[03:04] <noteventime> malbolge is the best first programming language
[03:04] <noteventime> python is typed, but not strongly typed
[03:04] <cfraz89> by typed, do you mean variables have a type?
[03:04] <cfraz89> they do in python, but are assigned implicitly
[03:05] <noteventime> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge_programming_language <- best first programming lanuage
[03:05] <hastesaver> I still think people should learn a functional language first before an imperative language... but why are we having language wars in #kubuntu, anyway? :)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> i was about to ask that :P
[03:05] <noteventime> Python can be a functional language
[03:05] <noteventime> depends on how you use it
[03:06] <noteventime> It can also be used as an object orientated language :/
[03:07] <cfraz89> python is very object orientated
[03:07] <cfraz89> "everything is an object"
[03:08] <zambba> How could I get a better .ace archiver to my computer?
[03:08] <xtacocorex> since we're on the topic of oop, is there a good book for learning it?
[03:09] <zambba> I've installed unace with apt and it can't open any of my ace archives :(
[03:09] <hastesaver> xtacocorex, Bruce Eckel has written "Thinking in Java" and "Thinking in C++", and they're freely available on the net... I'm no expert, but they were pretty ok :)
[03:10] <dergringo> are there any repos where I can get kxdocker 1.0+ ?
[03:10] <xtacocorex> hastesaver: thanks
[03:10] <xtacocorex> hastesaver: i'll look into them
[03:10] <semboy> !paste
[03:10] <ubotu> Please don't flood the channel! For best results use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and tell people the URL
[03:15] <hastesaver> dergringo, universe? :p
[03:16] <hastesaver> dergringo, oops, sorry
[03:16] <dergringo> hastesaver: there is only version 0.39 :(
[03:18] <dergringo> if anybody is interested... I found a deb package: http://dl.kanotixguide.org/debian/kxdocker_1.1.4a-0makke_i386.deb
[03:20] <mpathy> Is it true that ReiserFS is not available via the live installer?!
[03:24] <h3sp4wn> dergringo: You are better of getting the source deb (from debian sid or whatever) and building against the libraries that you are using - installing deb's like thas a bad idea (unless that is the source one I don't know what makke means)
[03:24] <staale> hi everyone. I'm having trouble installing things with the apt-get command. Do anyone have a good /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin?
[03:25] <h3sp4wn> http://pastebin.com/728080
[03:25] <staale> thxnk h3sp4wn
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> (I think its better like that because if you ever need to edit it it can fit on one screen in recovery mode - without the comments)
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> staale: If you are using breezy you will have to change all the instances of dapper to breezy
[03:27] <h3sp4wn> staale: Or you may end up inadvertantly doing an os upgrade
[03:27] <Hobbsee> !repos
[03:27] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:27] <staale> h3sp4wn: thanks. Ok
[03:28] <staale> h3sp4wn: ubuntu dapper drake is the newest one?
[03:29] <mpathy> ReiserFS..Its not available via the embedded QPartEd? Why? Did Hans go unpolite again? ;)
[03:29] <hastesaver> !tell staale about easysource
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> staale: Released properly in 11 days
[03:30] <mpathy> and another thing that doesnt work: the live-installer doesnt ask me if I want to do my partition changes! if I click next its lost
[03:31] <mpathy> where is the proper channel to report it, because the release date is near
[03:31] <hastesaver> mpathy, look for bugs on Launchpad
[03:32] <mpathy> hmm I thought it would be probably better to say it personally because there are only a few days.. and these bugs are huge in my opinion.
[03:32] <noteventime> cfraz89, error: no matching function for call to iCelPlLayer::FindNearbyEntities(iSector*, csVector3&, csVector3&)
[03:33] <cfraz89> hmm
[03:33] <cfraz89> i think your cel might be too old
[03:33] <cfraz89> which pseudo-stable is it?
[03:33] <noteventime> mom
[03:34] <cfraz89> mom?
[03:34] <noteventime> moment
[03:34] <noteventime> 0.99 from 27 January 2006
[03:34] <cfraz89> hmm
[03:34] <hastesaver> mpathy, yes, but this bug might have already been reported, and people working on it (or it may not even be a bug) -- did you search Launchpad first?
[03:36] <cfraz89> noteventime: it probably needs a snapshot then, sorry
[03:36] <noteventime> ok
[03:36] <noteventime> :)
[03:36] <cfraz89> if you are really willing you could try
[03:36] <noteventime> ill get it from the cvs/svn
[03:36] <mpathy> hastesaver: Yeah sure. But I think for today I will download the textinstall because right now it didnt format my partitions properly: "there was an problem with mk.ext3" - wtf?
[03:36] <cfraz89> thanks
[03:37] <noteventime> ohh, they have them as nighly snapshots
[03:37] <mpathy> They shouldnt do THIS in a long-term-release..
[03:37] <mpathy> and its the newest live-cd
[03:38] <cfraz89> noteventime: yep
[03:41] <mpathy> and its also not possible to make a custom mountpoint via the live-cd installer..?!
[03:41] <noteventime> cfraz89, updating nowo
[03:41] <cfraz89> noteventime: thanks heaps
[03:42] <noteventime> np :D
[03:42] <noteventime> gahh
[03:42] <cfraz89> ?
[03:43] <noteventime> Got error messages :P
[03:43] <noteventime> tryiong again
[03:43] <noteventime> Stupid o key
[03:44] <mpathy> and point 4 it doesnt recognize the new written partition sizes properly - really, wtf..?
[03:44] <brandon_> what does konq need nspluginviewer for?
[03:44] <noteventime> So, lets hope it compiles now
[03:45] <noteventime> Haha, my laptop is running jot fram all compiling
[03:46] <cawt> err need some help installing firefox
[03:46] <cawt> anyone? :)
[03:46] <cfraz89> cawt: how are you installing it?
[03:46] <cawt> well
[03:46] <cfraz89> its in the repositories , dapper has 1.5
[03:47] <cawt> downloaded the tarball, extracted it in /opt
[03:47] <noteventime> cawt, "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[03:47] <cawt> aaa
[03:47] <cawt> ok
[03:47] <noteventime> :)
[03:47] <cawt> thx =)
[03:47] <noteventime> np
[03:47] <noteventime> !apt
[03:47] <ubotu> methinks apt is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[03:57] <cawt> hmm when I try to launch firefox: gtk warning : cannont open display
[03:59] <noteventime> cawt, How are you running it?
[04:00] <cawt> frome the terminal
[04:00] <cawt> from*
[04:02] <feydin> whats the dapper channel?
[04:04] <mpathy> good question :) you mean the channel where you can say sth. about dapper and whats not working and they will be probably happy about it? I search this too :)
[04:05] <cfraz89> cawt, just try the alt-f2 way
[04:06] <Hobbsee> mpathy: that's usually called malone
[04:06] <Hobbsee> ubuntu dapper support is in #ubuntu+!
[04:06] <Hobbsee> ubuntu dapper support is in #ubuntu+1
[04:06] <Hobbsee> kubuntu dapper support is in here
[04:09] <crazy_penguin> goof afternoon all! :)
[04:09] <crazy_penguin> good afternoon all! :)
[04:10] <xwolf-> will ShipIt come with dapper released or the last flight?
[04:10] <skeff> hi! I tried installing amarok 1.4 but trying to start it fails at "error while loading shared libraries: libkdecore.4: no suh file or directory"
[04:10] <mpathy> Hobbsee: Sure, I can make a bug report, but I also want some feedback that I probably could fix the problem together with someone working on it who can ask me questions about the problem (hope you understand my english)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> mpathy: true.  i do
[04:11] <mpathy> Hobbsee: I have a launchpad account, and also reasonable karma ;)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:12] <mpathy> Hmm.. Perhaps I only expect too much from the Live-Installer, in the small amount of time from starting to plan it and putting it into the release..
[04:13] <cawt> cfraz89: it works!  thanks!
[04:13] <mpathy> Otherwise perhaps somebody would be glad to hear sth. from a usability / ui guys side?
[04:13] <cfraz89> np!
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mpathy: anything with the live installer needs to go to malone - Riddell likes fixing that sort of stuff, and needs it all in bug reports
[04:19] <root_> any way  to change the wallpaper on kubuntu dapper?
[04:19] <cfraz89> root_: you can drag the wallpaper onto the desktop
[04:20] <cfraz89> then click set as wallpaper
[04:20] <cfraz89> or you can right click on the desktop
[04:20] <cfraz89> and press configure desktop
[04:26] <semboy> !paste
[04:26] <ubotu> Please don't flood the channel! For best results use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and tell people the URL
[04:31] <skeff> I just wanted to say that the amarok package wanted kde libraries called 'libkde*.4' instead of the existing 'libkde*.so.4'.. four or so libraries I had to symlink, otherwise thanks for the package! My system is dapper "gUbuntu" ;)
[04:33] <goldenear> Does anyone here use ACPI on a desktop computer ?
[04:34] <goldenear> Before, I was using GNOME and I had a "suspend" button... I can't find it in KDE and I really miss it :(
[04:36] <goldenear> I have added a "suspend" icon in the pannel with "klaptop-acpi-helper --suspend"
[04:36] <Hobbsee> goldenear: there's a setting in klaptop - you just have to turn it on
[04:36] <Hobbsee> goldenear: breezy or dapper?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> you can install kpowersave, which is much better
[04:36] <goldenear> I'm using Dapper
[04:37] <Hobbsee> you can install kpowersave, which is much better
[04:38] <goldenear> isn't kpowersave depreciated (in favor of klaptop) ?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> no, other way around
[04:38] <goldenear> klaptop is indeed installed by default IIRC
[04:38] <Hobbsee> it is
[04:38] <Hobbsee> for the moment
[04:40] <goldenear> Hobbsee: great, kpowersave shows an icon in system tray with all the suspend/sleep options/modes :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> goldenear: yep :)
[04:41] <jame> Hello
[04:41] <jame> I would like to get java working with my firefox
[04:41] <jame> And I feel preatty lost
[04:41] <goldenear> klaptop doesn't show the icon on a laptop computer :(
[04:42] <jame> d list from adept but its preatty huge
[04:42] <jame> *looked
[04:42] <BazziR> jame, once you upgrade to dapper it will be piss easy ;)
[04:42] <jame> what is dapper
[04:42] <jame> In n00b windows user
[04:43] <BazziR> the next version of (k)ubuntu
[04:43] <jame> ah, when will it get released?
[04:44] <jame> i just installed this
[04:44] <jame> cos my pirated windows activition time expired
[04:44] <BazziR> june 1st
[04:45] <jame> thats not too far away :)
[04:54] <goldenear> Hobbsee: why is klaptopdaemon installed by default under Kubuntu ? kpowersave seems to be better... at least it works both on laptop and desktop!
[04:54] <Hobbsee> goldenear: kpowersave istn tested enough..
[04:54] <Hobbsee> i think it's just going to slip out from dapper...
[04:55] <Hobbsee> it works for teh people who do use it, but those people are pretty rare
[04:55] <Hobbsee> for edgy though, i'll be trying to push us to use it
[05:01] <jame> I need help
[05:01] <jame> again
[05:01] <Hobbsee> !+ask
[05:01] <ubotu> Just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model and output of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org is important.
[05:02] <goldenear> Hobbsee: I really hope it will be in edgy :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> goldenear: i do too.  i'd expect it to be
[05:02] <nebular> is there any write support for ntfs on the dapper drake live cd?
[05:02] <noteventime> I hope networkmanager will be standard in edgy
[05:03] <Hobbsee> noteventime: it is
[05:03] <Hobbsee> in dapper
[05:03] <Hobbsee> nebular: no
[05:03] <jame> my problem is with UTF-8 or something
[05:03] <noteventime> nebular, there is ntfstools, dunno if it is on the live cd though
[05:03] <goldenear> Hobbsee: the actual package doesn't create an entry/icon in the K menu... is this normal ?
[05:03] <noteventime> Hobbsee, Cool
[05:03] <Hobbsee> goldenear: knetworkmanager does
[05:03] <jame>  dont appear right
[05:03] <Hobbsee> er, it did
[05:03] <jame> huh
[05:04] <jame> then some other ppl have troudle
[05:04] <jame> they are cupposted to be scandinavians
[05:04] <jame> not hebrew
[05:04] <nebular> ok, next question, is write support for ntfs safe?
[05:04] <noteventime> jame, What problems do you have with ?
[05:05] <noteventime> nebular, no
[05:05] <goldenear> Hobbsee: I was talking about kpowersave... no icon for it in the K menu :(
[05:05] <Hobbsee> nebular: not really
[05:05] <Hobbsee> goldenear: sure there is.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> goldenear: system menu
[05:06] <noteventime> yes there is
[05:06] <jame> t on ts valmiina
[05:06] <noteventime> There's one in system here too
[05:06] <goldenear> oops, I didn't see it ... sorry
[05:06] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:06] <jame> my text became like that
[05:06] <karl> Hi everyone :)
[05:06] <goldenear> Tank you Hobbsee
[05:06] <Hobbsee> hi karl
[05:06] <karl> Anyone here having problems with sudo?
[05:06] <karl> :)
[05:07] <karl> Err..solutions to problems with sudo :P
[05:07] <noteventime> jame, there are some problems sending  files from gnome to kde
[05:07] <KDEfanboy> anyone else have the problem where newly installed KDE apps from adept don't create KMenu items unless you manually rebuild the system cache?
[05:07] <noteventime> yes,
[05:08] <KDEfanboy> who me?
[05:08] <noteventime> Yes
[05:08] <noteventime> But just some apps
[05:08] <KDEfanboy> ok heh.. whew.. least it's not just me
[05:09] <karl> Hehe
[05:09] <evert_> Does somebody know a good IDE for C++ ? I'm using Code::Blocks now , but it crashes to much ....
[05:09] <noteventime> kdevelop
[05:09] <noteventime> vim + cmake :S
[05:09] <noteventime> :D
[05:09] <noteventime> kate + cmake :D
[05:10] <evert_> Hmm i don't wanna work in the console ... Something like devc++ or code::blokcs
[05:10] <Hobbsee> noteventime: cmake?
[05:10] <noteventime> kdevelop then
[05:10] <_ismael> Hello, how can I konw  what encoded character (Utf, ISO...) is a  file?
[05:10] <noteventime> hobbsee, CMake is a autotools replacement
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[05:11] <noteventime> USED BY KDE4
[05:11] <evert_> I'll try kdvelop
[05:11] <noteventime> opps, excuse the caps
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:11] <noteventime> evert_, The one in apt is a little buggy :)
[05:11] <evert_> Also in dapper ?
[05:12] <_ismael> Hello, how can I konw  what encoded character (Utf, ISO...) is a  file?
[05:13] <noteventime> _ismeal, depends on the filetype, i think
[05:15] <_ismael> how depends? I'm do  convmv -i -r -f ISO-8859-1 -t zzzzzUTF-8 antiguo/ --notest
[05:20] <_ismael> I'm do convmv -i -r -f UTF-8 -t ISO-8859-1  antiguo/ --notest but the system tell me "this file was not validly encoded in utf-8-strict:". For that I need to know what encoded  character is  the file  who I want convert
[05:20] <_ismael> I'm do convmv -i -r -f UTF-8 -t ISO-8859-1  antiguo/ --notest but the system tell me "this file was not validly encoded in utf-8-strict:". For that I need to know what encoded  character is  the file  who I want convert
[05:22] <lwizardl> how can i get a folder image to work in kde i'm used to just naming the image folder.jpg for in windows
[05:22] <karl> How do i fix my sudo problem? Everytime i write sudo + a command, it says : "sudo: timestamp too far in the future"....
[05:27] <evert_> I can't compile with Kdvelop ( i used the version from adept , with kubuntu Dapper Drake)
[05:35] <voicu> when I try to play a movie through samba (with kaffeine) I get the error "no URL handler implemented for smb:/...". do you know how to solve this?
[05:36] <voicu> do I need a plugin or kio slave or what?
[05:42] <nixternal> good mornin' kubuntu
[05:42] <nixternal> oh i so gotta setup my kmail folders...way to much email
[05:45] <crazy_penguin> upgrade finished. reboot required. // az ujitas befejezodot. ujrainditas szukseges. // upgrade efectuat. repornire necesara. bye all
[05:45] <karl> How do i change from GDM to KDM?
[05:49] <theine> karl: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[05:49] <karl> theine: thanks :)
[05:59] <atul1> hi guys i have one problem anyone can help me please
[06:00] <Hobbsee> !+helpme
[06:00] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we cannot actually help you. :)
[06:00] <atul1> i am new to linux and i was try to wach some dvd on tv but there is no display on tv
[06:01] <atul1> i have toshiba laptop
[06:01] <atul1> p 3 500 mhz
[06:01] <atul1> 350 ram
[06:01] <atul1> tridant display driver
[06:02] <atul1> but i dont know how to configure driver in linux
[06:02] <atul1> any sugestion
[06:06] <goldenear> atul1: you're computer is pretty old
[06:06] <atul1> yeah i know thats why i am using linux
[06:06] <atul1> linux is fast compare to windows
[06:07] <goldenear> linux yes ... but not kubuntu
[06:07] <atul1> then which one i should install
[06:07] <goldenear> you should try Xubuntu for your computer
[06:08] <atul1> ok no problem ...............thanks
[06:08] <atul1> let me check where i can download
[06:08] <goldenear> kubuntu is very nice but on more powerful computer
[06:08] <goldenear> http://www.xubuntu.org
[06:09] <atul1> i have one more but i am using server 2000 on that
[06:09] <goldenear> atul1: is your other computer a server only ?
[06:09] <atul1> yeah
[06:09] <atul1> i have sap install on that
[06:10] <atul1> thats why i dont wanna change
[06:10] <goldenear> ubuntu is nice has a server too
[06:11] <atul1> ok but is it ok with sap installed
[06:11] <goldenear> sap ?
[06:11] <atul1> i mean normaly sap and linux are enemies
[06:11] <h3sp4wn> asterix
[06:11] <atul1> never cope
[06:11] <atul1> SAP
[06:12] <goldenear> what's SAP ?
[06:12] <atul1> its a bussness operating system
[06:13] <atul1> i mean its a kind of operating system which is used for co.
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> Its not an operating system if it runs ontop of windows
[06:14] <atul1> yeah its a application but u have to configure windows according to requirement
[06:14] <atul1> of sap
[06:14] <goldenear> is this sap : http://www.sap.com/ ?
[06:14] <atul1> i dont know its a complicated
[06:15] <goldenear> atul1: ?
[06:16] <atul1> i have once question can i switch kubuntu to xubuntu directly or i have to uninstall 1st
[06:16] <h3sp4wn> Apparantly linux is now the reference platform for sap software development (http://www.novell.com/switzerland/download/novell_05_wsp.pdf) haven't managed to understand what it is yet
[06:17] <atul1> actully i am not a sap guy my partner is
[06:18] <goldenear> atul1: you install it from kubuntu : apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[06:18] <karl> Dang, compiling cedega takes long time
[06:18] <atul1> i am a windows guy (MCSE,MCSA)
[06:18] <ccc_> we run SAP at work (warehouse), so i know it pretty well. its a big expensive piece of junk. sadly its more or less standard in its targetted businesses.
[06:19] <atul1> oh ok cool so i can upgrade directly to xubuntu
[06:19] <Hobbsee> karl: try koffice :P
[06:19] <raf> hello all
[06:19] <atul1> hi
[06:20] <atul1> sorry guys got a go tea time
[06:20] <raf> where can I found what are those packages starting with K
[06:20] <goldenear> atul1: but I recommend you to reinstall xubuntu from the beginning.
[06:20] <raf> ?
[06:20] <raf> I haven't found anything on KDE site
[06:20] <atul1> ok thans
[06:20] <atul1> bye guys
[06:20] <raf> I mean, I ran "top" and I have found some applications I don't know what they are, ie. kaccess
[06:21] <raf> ie. kthread
[06:21] <h3sp4wn> pstree makes it easier to understand what is related to what
[06:21] <Frozenkernel> Hallo
[06:22] <raf> I guess there are a site with the information about thous apps
[06:22] <karl> Hobbsee: I'm going to....when cedega is finished...:.(
[06:22] <Hobbsee> er...why?
[06:22] <mrfishhat> does anyone know why when i try delete things it says authentication failure?
[06:22] <raf> why pstree shows information like that -> kthreadaio/0
[06:22] <raf> ?
[06:22] <karl> Hobbsee: Oh, sorry, not compile it, install it i mean :)
[06:23] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[06:23] <karl> What?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> i was thinking that if you were compiling koffice, it would be rather pointless...
[06:24] <karl> Instead of apt-getting it you mean? :)
[06:24] <nixternal> anyone have net just stop working...like it went to sleep....i am checking the logs and see nothing obvious...ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 fixed it...but only temporarily
[06:25] <raf> why pstree shows information like that -> kthreadaio/0
[06:25] <Fikret> hi, how do i change those black rows that do appear after i changed some visible settings like design in kubuntu 5.10 on my laptop, i have already set it to default.
[06:26] <h3sp4wn> raf: Are you using a locale other than english ?
[06:29] <raf> h3sp4wn: mmm, my keyboard is in spanish
[06:33] <raf> where can I find information about kaccess, khelper, kthread, Idon't wath they are
[06:45] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:45] <Rone> Kpf on kubuntussa jo valmiina oleva pienimuotoinen palvelinohjelma, mutta miten sill tyskennelln?
[07:17] <_bbeck> Hello, I tried installing the Ktrorrent 2.0 beta from the Ktrorrent website, but when I do a dpkg -i on it I keep getting the following error... trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-bittorrent.desktop', which is also in package kdelibs-data.  Does anyone know of a way to fix this problem?  Thanks.
[07:19] <nixternal> Error - KDesktop >> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said:
[07:19] <nixternal> wth is that?
[07:21] <hastesaver> _bbeck, hmm, I know a fix that has worked for me, but I'm not sure what it does -- want to know?
[07:22] <_bbeck> hastesaver: thanks, I'd like to know.
[07:22] <hastesaver> _bbeck, if the first line of the error says something like "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/AAA (--unpack):", do "dpkg -i --force-overwrite AAA"
[07:22] <hastesaver> _bbeck, and then run apt-get -f install
[07:22] <hastesaver> _bbeck, as I said, this may be dangerous and do bad things -- use at your own risk
[07:23] <_bbeck> hastesaver: Do you know if there is a way to unpack a deb file so I could compare the file that's already there with the file it wants to overwrite?
[07:24] <hastesaver> _bbeck, try dpkg -X
[07:25] <_bbeck> hastesaver: thanks, that worked like a charm.
[07:31] <wasp_ems> i am missing the unrar utility..what should i download?
[07:32] <ilottimo> hello
[07:32] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, the package rar
[07:33] <wasp_ems> found it
[07:33] <wasp_ems> thanx though
[07:33] <Bizzeh> hmmn
[07:33] <Bizzeh> no amd64 wine
[07:33] <Bizzeh> how much does that suck
[07:34] <staale> does anyone know how i can solve a problem that sounds like this; Everytime i trie to install something, it says that a package is depending of another, but that package number 2 shall not be installed.
[07:36] <staale> pleas. this is my second day using kubuntu
[07:39] <wasp_ems> ok i have about 20 files which are under rar and which create a big file...in windows i would extract them all in one folder what do i do here ??
[07:41] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, 20 files create a big file?
[07:41] <wasp_ems> yep
[07:41] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, in any case, you can extract them all in one folder if that's what you want
[07:42] <steveire> There are website out there that will show you the internet through the eyes of a bot, But I can't find any. Know of any?
[07:42] <wasp_ems> i dont have the extract option..i used to but not anymore..so i have to open with ark each file and extract them,,cant i do it all together
[07:46] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, use the terminal :)
[07:47] <VA> !PASTE
[07:47] <ubotu> Please don't flood the channel! For best results use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and tell people the URL
[07:47] <VA> !PASTE
[07:48] <aseigo> Riddell: ping
[07:49] <hastesaver> wasp_ems, "rar x *.rar" or something like that, I'm not sure. You could read the rar man page or wait for someone else :)
[07:51] <wasp_ems> ok thanx
[07:52] <Riddell> aseigo: hi
[07:53] <aseigo> Riddell: moin
[07:53] <Riddell> bon soir
[07:53] <aseigo> Riddell: there was a breakage it seems in the recent kdm packages?
[07:53] <Riddell> there was?
[07:53] <EvilIdler> Why not simply use Ark to extract?
[07:54] <aseigo> Riddell: i updated yesterday, rebooted this morning and X wouldn't come up because PATH in /etc/kde3/kdm/Xstartup was /usr/X11R6/bin/X
[07:54] <Riddell> PATH="$PATH:/usr/bin/X11"
[07:54] <Riddell> what do you have in there?
[07:55] <aseigo> oh wait. my bad. it was in kdmrc
[07:55] <aseigo> ServerCmd=/usr/X11R6/bin/X
[07:55] <aseigo> should of course be
[07:55] <aseigo> ServerCmd=/usr/bin/X
[07:56] <aseigo> i didn't mess with my kdm config (dont' need to. everything's purdy as it is ;)
[07:56] <aseigo> the only change has been yesterday's (or the day before... dunno if i shtudown the laptop yesterday at all) updates
[07:56] <Riddell> that X is a link  /usr/X11R6/bin/X -> ../../bin/X
[07:57] <Riddell> it's part of xserver-xorg
[07:57] <DeadS0ul1`> heh
[07:57] <DeadS0ul1`> looks like I shouldn't apt-get upgrade till next week then
[07:59] <Riddell> installing the latest xserver-xorg I still have that link
[07:59] <Riddell> aseigo: do you have xserver-xorg installed?
[08:00] <Riddell> hmm, it's not a dependency of kubuntu-desktop
[08:01] <aseigo> root@freedom:/etc/kde3/kdm# dpkg -s xserver-xorg
[08:01] <aseigo> Package: xserver-xorg
[08:01] <aseigo> Status: deinstall ok config-files
[08:03] <Riddell> I'm somewhat confused why nobody could have complained of this before
[08:03] <Riddell> maybe something has dropped a dependency on xserver-xorg recently
[08:03] <aseigo> well, it -did- work
[08:04] <aseigo> i've got lots of the xserver-xorg-* packages installed
[08:04] <aseigo> just not the main (meta?) package
[08:04] <aseigo> anyways.. i'll install that package now
[08:09] <mardi> hello, do i really need kded running all the time?
[08:09] <Blissex> mardi: yes.
[08:09] <mardi> ok, thanks :)
[08:10] <Blissex> mardi: for more information etc. look at descriptions of the KSyCoCa system...
[08:13] <fernando> hi, does is possible to add RSS to Konqueror?
[08:15] <Blissex> fernando: pointless, KDE is based on specialized apps. KNewsTicker/aKregator
[08:16] <fernando> Blissex: ok. and does is possible to add a couple of gestures in Konqueror?
[08:17] <Blissex> fernando: should be possible indeed, directly or indirectly.
[08:17] <Blissex> fernando: check these:
[08:19] <Blissex> fernando: check these: 'Control Centre:Regional & Accessibility:Input Actions' and 'Konqueror:Settings:Configure Shortcuts'
[08:20] <fernando> Blissex: ok, thanks, let me see
[08:21] <mardi> Blissex: ok, i found out that kded monitors configuration files
[08:21] <mardi> and calls kbuildsycoca to update the database when a change occures
[08:22] <mardi> pretty cool eh? :p
[08:23] <mardi> i have a process applet running, i'm trying to figure out if anything in it doesn't need to be running
[08:23] <mardi> artsd runs at a steady 1%, i know thats the sound server
[08:28] <mardi> do i need gam_server running all the time?
[08:28] <mardi> http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/ says it's like kded?
[08:29] <Blissex> fernando: you can also bind input actions to invocations of 'dcop' so can do everything.
[08:29] <Blissex> mardi: 'gam_server' notifies KDE of which files change, extracting that from the kernel. it tells 'kded' which config files it needs to reread.
[08:30] <mardi> oooh ok
[08:30] <sheldonc> mardi: is something screwed up? why the obsession with killing processes ?
[08:31] <Blissex> mardi: but note also that often you have to tell 'kded' to reread things explicitly, with 'kbuildsycoca'
[08:31] <mardi> i think it's a hold over from XP, when ever i installed xp i'd kill like 15 uneeded processes
[08:31] <mardi> <-- linux newbie
[08:31] <Blissex> mardi: usually KDE does not start processes that are unneeded. Many distros however start a lot of non KDE background dmons that may not be needed.
[08:32] <Magus`> Hey, I'm having trouble increasing my resolution beyond 1024x768
[08:32] <Magus`> Any reason why?
[08:32] <mardi> Blissex: i figured as much, had to find out for myself tho
[08:32] <Blissex> !resolution
[08:32] <ubotu> it has been said that resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:32] <mardi> Blissex: thanks for the info :)
[08:35] <fernando> Blissex: I just added a couple of mouse gestures but not the one I wanted
[08:35] <mardi> last question, can i grep the distro name from anywhere? uname -a just pulls up "Linux"
[08:35] <crazy_penguin> re. hi all
[08:35] <russ> uname -r
[08:36] <gnomefreak> isnt there a desktop icon on the kubuntu 6.06 livecd for installing?
[08:36] <mardi> russ: that's the kernel, i'm looking to pull up "Kubuntu"
[08:36] <fernando> Blissex: I wanted: BACK -> right clic + left clic, and FOWD -> left clic + right clic, but the Konky gestures say I must clic the middle button and move left
[08:36] <fernando> (or right)
[08:36] <gnomefreak> mardi: lsb_release -a?
[08:37] <russ> sorry dunno that one
[08:37] <gil> hello can anyone help me with running ShrinkDVD with wine in dapper?
[08:37] <fernando> Blissex: on Firefox those gestures are easily installed but Firefox is too heavy for my old machine :(
[08:37] <Blissex> mardi: sorry, thats not a gesture... That's a chord.
[08:37] <gnomefreak> the lsb_release -a will show you the version of kubuntu/ubuntu you are using
[08:38] <mardi> nice, thanks gnomefreak :)
[08:38] <Magus`> Hrm
[08:38] <Magus`> The auto-detect thing didn't work
[08:38] <Magus`> Strange
[08:38] <Blissex> mardi: gestures are patterns that you draw with the mouse...
[08:38] <gnomefreak> mardi: yw
[08:39] <fernando> Blissex: and it's not possible to add chords in Konqueror?
[08:39] <gil> i am having some problems getting the program to pick up my drive...can anyone help?
[08:39] <mardi> Blissex: i think fernando is asking about gestures :p
[08:39] <Blissex> fernando: probably yes, but in a different section...
[08:41] <fernando> Blissex: Oh, I hooked with that gestures in Firefox and now I really need them!!!
[08:43] <Blissex> fernando: I'll have a look but sometimes you can't have everything...
[08:45] <DeadS0ul> fernando: konqui is yoru friend =D
[08:45] <fernando> Blissex: ok, thanx, i'll stay here and look around.
[08:46] <Blissex> fernando: I am looking but it looks like mouse press sequences cannot be done, I'll look a bit more.
[08:47] <jager> quick question:  amarok is not suggesting artists to me even though i have the check box in last.fm settings checked.  why might that be?  that was a neat feature
[08:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there! i was wondering if there's an application/applet to control manually the speed of the processor in the centrino series.
[08:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't like particularly klaptop, and i remember that on gnome there was something to manage the speed
[08:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i found gnome-cpu-applet to set the frequency, but when i uninstall klaptop the program doesn't work abtmore
[08:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anymore
[09:01] <_bbeck> I selected a few songs in Juk to alter their album name with the tag editor, and when I did the width of Juk aboud doubled.  Has anyone else noted this behavior?  Juk 2.3.2
[09:01] <_bbeck> aboud -> about
[09:02] <nxv_> hi, i have avis from my camera (photo camera) what is the best tool, codec to convert them. want to put them on my website and have smaller files without losing quality
[09:03] <gil> need help with shrinkDvd...anyone>?
[09:08] <nico8481> re
[09:17] <slow-motion> re
[09:38] <slow-motion> texas lightning auf ARD!!
[09:39] <poimen> somoen knows a internet site that is paying for translations or something? I need to make $300  a month and no job around here??
[09:40] <Blissex> poimen: lots of those...
[09:40] <poimen> hum?
[09:40] <Blissex> poimen: check RentACode.com and eLance.com
[09:40] <Blissex> poimen: check RentACoder.com and eLance.com
[09:41] <poimen> Blissex they are hiring people?
[09:42] <Blissex> poimen: they are like eBay but for freelancers. Problem is, most of the freelancers are in the 3rd world and charge little, but it looks like you are in a similar position.
[09:43] <poimen> Blissex : thankx :D
[09:44] <a33> hi there, how do i configure adsl ? (in other linuxes there is adsl-setup)
[09:46] <_darksoul> how much cpu will a idle kubuntu use?
[09:46] <_darksoul> mine seems to be using 25% most of the time..
[09:46] <_darksoul> and its at 2.5ghz..
[09:47] <russ> mine runs about 5%...mostly xorg
[09:48] <_darksoul> so its not normal
[09:54] <Magus`> Hrm
[09:54] <Magus`> Nothing I've done makes 1280x1024 work
[09:54] <Magus`> Manually adding it makes my LCD stop working
[09:54] <Magus`> Even though it's the correct resolution
[09:59] <hastesaver> !tell Magus` about fixres
[10:00] <Magus`> I've tried that
[10:00] <Magus`> Still didn't work
[10:00] <Magus`> =\
[10:00] <hastesaver> Magus`, you tried everything on that page? oh... I don't know anything else, wait for others :)
[10:00] <Magus`> I've tried most
[10:07] <Brujah> hy everybody!
[10:07] <Brujah> kdevelop tells me it need automake 1.6 but thats not available?
[10:08] <ccc_> hi
[10:09] <ccc_> Brujah: the name of the package is automake1.6
[10:10] <Brujah> Okay, will try! Just had a look in adept and there is only 1.4 and then 1.7
[10:11] <uniq> automake1.6 is not available in dapper for the record. only breezy.
[10:13] <ccc_> ok. /me is still on breezy.
[10:14] <Brujah> What do I do then? Can I use 1.7?
[10:17] <ports> hey
[10:21] <Brujah> Just tried. Now I get:
[10:21] <Brujah> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[10:21] <Brujah> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[10:21] <Brujah> See `config.log' for more details.
[10:22] <crimsun> Brujah: did you reinstall build-essential?
[10:23] <Brujah> No thats not installed at all... should I?
[10:24] <Brujah> I do not fully understand description of this package
[10:25] <Brujah> Just installing it!
[10:26] <seawolf__> ciao
[10:27] <Magus`> What's the command to kill X from the root command?
[10:27] <Magus`> console *
[10:29] <Brujah> Damn. Now I get: checking for libz...
[10:29] <Brujah> configure: error: not found.
[10:29] <Brujah> Possibly configure picks up an outdated version
[10:29] <Brujah> installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system.
[10:29] <Brujah> Check your installation and look into config.log
[10:29] <Brujah> *** Exited with status: 1 ***
[10:30] <crimsun> Brujah: what are you trying to build?
[10:30] <crimsun> the package may already be in the repos
[10:30] <Brujah> A new kde application
[10:31] <Brujah> I want to write an application to play magic the gathering for kde
[10:33] <Brujah> And I just want to compile the template to build a basic kde application right now
[10:37] <chip42> speaking of which, where can i find the api associated with the libkde3-java package?
[10:38] <Brujah> So is it not possible to develop in Dapper?
[10:39] <EvilIdler> Of course it is - there are hundreds of different programs you can use :)
[10:39] <chip42> Brujah: no one is going to hold your hand, put it that way ;)
[10:39] <Brujah> Damn :-)
[10:41] <EvilIdler> I prefer SCons rather than make/autoconf etc.
[10:43] <ports> hey
[10:43] <ports> i installed Limewire on Kubuntu... but shortcuts for it didnt show up
[10:44] <steve> Anybody know if a pre-built WINE 0.9.13 will come out soon?
[10:44] <steve> Maybe I shall just build it myself then...
[10:44] <Brujah> Okay just looked up what scons is. (A replacement for make). I fear I need exactely what to do to make kdevelop using it....
[10:45] <waterglass> hi, is there a way to make konsole fullscreen?
[10:52] <Negrita> waterglass: Ctrl+Shift+F
[10:53] <waterglass> Negrita: thanks!! is there a way to hide the menu?
[10:54] <Negrita> Not that I know off :-( But I'm no expert.
[10:55] <waterglass> hehe thanks!
[10:56] <Negrita> Click on Settings and then at the bottom Configure Konsole. Have a look around you might find something.
[10:56] <waterglass> hehe it's the first thing there.. Settings -> Hide menu bar
[10:56] <waterglass> but i dunno hw to bring it back now!!
[10:57] <Negrita> DOH!!!!
[10:58] <gil> i am trying to run dvd shrink through wine...does anyone have experience doing this!!
[10:58] <gil> ?
[10:58] <waterglass> Negrita: really sorry, is there a shortcut next to that in your setting menu? i have no idea how to bring it back!!!
[10:58] <Negrita> If you havn't changed your change as default then just closing and re-opening Konsole should work.
[10:58] <Negrita> No shortcuts.
[10:58] <jorik> m trying to copy a dvd i rented, n it says "cant copy encrypted dvd's" (well, something like that, i translated it to english). is there something i can apt to get around this n copy them anyways ?
[10:59] <Negrita> I'm actually working on a Knoppix HDD install so I presume my setup is the same as yours.
[10:59] <Blissex> jorik: this channel is not for warez advice...
[11:00] <waterglass> Negrita: ah, thanks.. i'm running irc and a few downloads in konsole at the moment so i'll do it later.. thanks though! :)
[11:00] <jorik> warez? who's talking warez? i just want a back-up, linux can handle that, right ?
[11:00] <Brujah> jorik: watch the movie and bring it back!
[11:00] <Negrita> NP
[11:00] <Blissex> jorik: you can't backup rented movies...
[11:00] <jorik> aight
[11:01] <jorik> what about this dvd i bought years ago, im afraid its gonna get scratched ... can i copy that ?
[11:02] <Brujah> jorik: Depends on your country. In mine its illegal!
[11:03] <giligan> i need help running a sony application from wine, can anyone help
[11:03] <giligan> i am using HiMD sonicstage
[11:04] <giligan> how can i get this to port from wine///?
[11:04] <jorik> dude ... really, all im asking for is the name of the program that does it. *please* help me
[11:04] <EvilIdler> jorik: apt-cache search dvd
[11:06] <giligan> i need help using sonicstage on Dapper
[11:06] <giligan> has anyone got this program to work?
[11:07] <giligan> anyone?
[11:10] <giligan> so can anyone help me?
[11:11] <Blissex> giligan: try #Ubuntu+1
[11:11] <giligan> i did...nobody home
[11:15] <Brujah> Is there a chance that I get a program of mine that you need a commercial compiler for in the universe archive of ubuntu?
[11:20] <giligan> how does one set computer on suspend mode automatically?
[11:20] <giligan> after T time say
[11:21] <giligan> suspend mode anyone?
[11:26] <jorik> hmmm dvdbackup always gives an error halfway thru anyone knows what could be causing this ?
[11:34] <steve> :o! Adept went beserk and deleted pretty much every package on my system!
[11:36] <Magus`> Hey, I'm trying to install Kubuntu (Dapper) but the installer seems to fuck up
[11:36] <Magus`> I get to part 6 (dealing with partitions) and it keels over
[11:38] <Pupeno> Hello.
[11:38] <Pupeno> is there a library implementing what the program 'file' does ?
[11:41] <giligan> how do i change the boot screen
[11:41] <giligan> bootsplash
[11:41] <bimberi> !usplash
[11:41] <ubotu> [usplash]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto
[11:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there! i was wondering if there's an application/applet to control manually the speed of the processor in the centrino series.
[11:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't like particularly klaptop, and i remember that on gnome there was something to manage the speed
[11:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i found gnome-cpu-applet to set the frequency, but when i uninstall klaptop the program doesn't work abtmore
[11:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do u know any other way of doing it?
[11:42] <neoncode> I have a problem with my kubuntu install. When I boot it, even in recovery mode. It Always stalls on "Conguring network interface..." when booting in normal mode it still stays on uSplash and it even does this when there's no newtork cable pluged in... Help?!?!?
[11:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> neoncode: press Ctrl
[11:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu>  C
[11:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> cntrl + C
[11:43] <neoncode> Tallia1Kubuntu, What will that do?
[11:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> stop executing the current operation, it should work,... for example i use it when i know that i will not need the net to speed up the boot
[11:44] <neoncode> Tallia1Kubuntu: ok i'll reboot(i'm in windows now) And try that. Thanks..
[11:44] <pc> hi, anyone here uses the ipod:/ kio and knows a bit how it works?
[11:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> pc, mhh, you shoulda try use amarok for songs
[11:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> while use the kde applet to mount / unmount the partitions
[11:45] <pc> Tallia1Kubuntu: i did, but whenever i try to copy something to my ipod, nothing seems to happen
[11:45] <pc> Tallia1Kubuntu: and i should tell i use gnome, not kde... but i figured the people here know more about k*
[11:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> have you mounted the ipod?
[11:46] <pc> yup
[11:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh, i will just give you my settings in amarok
[11:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you can transfer files without problems right? after you mount
[11:46] <pc> yeah that seemed to work
[11:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok, gimme a sec
[11:46] <pc> but i didn't see them on the ipod, so i tried again
[11:46] <pc> then it asked me if i wanted to overwrite them...
[11:47] <pc> so i unmounted it, looked on the ipod and behold, no files!
[11:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no, you can't used ipod:/ to transfer songs
[11:47] <pc> no that was using amarok
[11:47] <pc> but i did think that was possible..
[11:47] <pc> is it read only then?
[11:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in amarok, in the media device tab
[11:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> there's a tool on the right of connect
[11:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> once the window opens you shoulda have in there /media/ipod
[11:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> or whatever is the mounting position that you will have to write inside fstab
[11:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> /dev/sda1   /media/usb      auto  umask=000,noauto,user                 0 0
[11:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> /dev/sda2   /media/ipod      auto  umask=000,noauto,user                0 0
[11:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> these are the ftab lines that i used
[11:49] <pc> k, i'll check
[11:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sorry in the tool opened window you have to write mount /media/ipod unmount /media/ipod
[11:50] <pc> i hoped it was smart enough to figure that out by itself :)
[11:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> obviously amarok must be able to mount it in user mode, otherwise it doesn't have write permissions
[11:50] <pc> oh but i dont think that's the problem btw
[11:50] <pc> it does get mounted, because i can see the music on the ipod
[11:50] <pc> the writing just doesn't seem to work
[11:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> see the music means reading file
[11:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> not writing
[11:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i suggest you to add the media mounting applet to kicker, in order to have fast mount abilities
[11:52] <pc> hmm
[11:52] <pc> now he won't mount it anymore
[11:53] <pc> what did i do...
[11:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sudo mount -a
[11:55] <pc> hm i added the fstab entry, with noauto
[11:55] <pc> i plug it in again, and it gets mounted
[11:58] <pc> f*ck now it's empty...
[11:58] <pc> my ipod shuffle always worked nice, why wont this one
[12:02] <crazy_penguin> night all. pleasent dreams :)