[12:30] <mdke> oh god
[12:30] <mdke> Alexander Jacob Tsykin is at it again
[12:30] <mdke> sending emails with "true" as the only addition
[12:33] <LaserJock> hmm
[12:34] <mdke> ffs
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[01:30] <mdke> anyone got IE on them?
[01:30] <Burgundavia_> mdke, in just a sec I will
[01:31] <mdke> can you do me a screenie of http://help.ubuntu.com/wiki ?
[01:31] <Burgundavia_> yep, just a sec
[01:31] <Burgundavia_> ok, here is a good laugh
[01:31] <Burgundavia_> check out the editorial that says Sun should buy Canonical
[01:32] <Burgundavia> ugh, Windows
[01:32] <Burgundavia> so bloody blue
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[01:33] <LaserJock> hmm, I would think Canonical buying Sun would sound better
[01:33] <Burgundavia> holy crap XP is unresponsive right after login
[01:33] <LaserJock> yep
[01:33] <Burgundavia> Mark is not rich enough
[01:33] <Burgundavia> "You need to update your flash player"!!!
[01:33] <Burgundavia> oh joy of joys
[01:34] <Burgundavia> where the F*** do I have to go so I can get out of this bloody os?
[01:34] <LaserJock> reboot, Reboot, REBOOT!
[01:34] <mdke> LaserJock loves it
[01:35] <mdke> he *loves* the windows
[01:35] <LaserJock> hmm, my mac is telling me I need to reboot as well :(
[01:35] <LaserJock> yah know, sometimes I have to sit back and realize, XP really does suck
[01:36] <mdke> yeah, man it really does
[01:36] <LaserJock> I get really spoiled running dapper
[01:36] <Burgundavia> mdke, sent
[01:36] <Burgundavia> firefox takes 2 seconds to load
[01:36] <mdke> LaserJock: if you wanna do one with safari too, go ahead
[01:37] <Burgundavia> all i have running is IE
[01:37] <LaserJock> I have all kinds of software at the click of a button, it is fast, I can do anything I want, I don't think we are competing with Windows, I think we are blowing it out of the water
[01:37] <Burgundavia> I have three different things telling me to update (flash, symantec and windows itself)
[01:37] <Burgundavia> we just need a fast and easy office suite and we are in the bag
[01:38] <mdke> anyone for opera?
[01:38] <LaserJock> no opera here, I'll get you a safari screenshot in a sec
[01:38] <mdke> ok, it looks good enough in IE for the purposes
[01:38] <Burgundavia> the only thing I saw was the color band
[01:38] <mdke> it looks pretty shit in dapper firefox, compared to epiphany, but then again, that's clearly not my fault
[01:39] <Burgundavia> madpilot can do Opera when he comes
[01:39] <mdke> Burgundavia: yeah, i think all the ubuntu websites have that problem on IE, don't they?
[01:39] <Burgundavia> likely
[01:39] <Burgundavia> honestly, who gives a shit?
[01:39] <mdke> quite
[01:39] <mdke> very well put, if I may say so
[01:39] <Burgundavia> they work and don't break horrible
[01:40] <mdke> yeah, ok so firefox and opera are the only ones to bother with really
[01:40] <Burgundavia> have we had someone check with konq?
[01:40] <mdke> oh yeah
[01:40] <mdke> and I'll check with yelp 
[01:40] <mdke> ;p
[01:41] <mdke> damn, yelp doesn't do urls, sucks
[01:41] <mdke> anyone got konq?
[01:41] <Burgundavia> you might be able to launch it on the commandline with a url
[01:41] <mdke> no, it just calls gnome-open
[01:41] <mdke> (ctrl L in yelp works)
[01:43] <LaserJock> mdke: http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/wiki_screenie.png
[01:44] <LaserJock> mdke: I've got konq, but I'm not sure how to get a screenshot in KDE
[01:44] <mdke> prtsc?
[01:44] <mdke> thanks for safari, looks ok
[01:44] <LaserJock> probably, just a sec
[01:44] <mdke> the occasional pixel goes awry but who cares
[01:45] <mdke> actually I'm quite tempted to try and import the pages, just for fun
[01:47] <LaserJock> mdke: http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/konq_screenie.png
[01:47] <Rawh> hmmm
[01:47] <Rawh> wiki with logins :)
[01:48] <Burgundavia> when did we pass 3k commits?
[01:49] <mdke> this week
[01:49] <mdke> or last
[01:49] <mdke> another translation marathon to come on sunday
[01:50] <Burgundavia> may 10th
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[01:51] <Burgundavia> it would make my life much easier
[01:52] <Burgundavia> I could waste more time at work on Ubuntu
[01:52] <LaserJock> hehe
[01:55] <mdke> so when you see Madpilot next, can you ask him where we are with the various book covers and admon icons and so on? 
[01:56] <Burgundavia> mdke, you are as likely to see him on irc as I am
[01:56] <Burgundavia> email me
[01:56] <mdke> we can start getting that sorted soon, and if we're lucky everything will be ready for dapper, new website, new books, new wiki
[01:56] <Burgundavia> s/me/him
[01:56] <mdke> Burgundavia: no, I'm off to sleep :) I'll definitely email him in the next few days if I don't catch him
[01:57] <mdke> good night you guys
[01:58] <Burgundavia> night
[01:58] <LaserJock> cya mdke 
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[02:48] <mdke> robotgeek: here?
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[03:30] <mdke> hey Madpilot!
[03:31] <Madpilot> hi mdke - long time no see
[03:31] <mdke> yeah, how's the house?
[03:32] <Madpilot> the new place is OK, fairly central for commuting and such
[03:32] <mdke> good
[03:32] <mdke> I'm terrified, I'm about to send this email about wiki licensing
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[03:32] <Madpilot> asking everyone who's ever contributed to the wiki if they like the licensing idea?
[03:33] <mdke> yeah
=== mdke watches a list of names stream by
=== Madpilot waits for his copy ;)
[03:34] <Burgundavia> mdke, you spammer you. I got this email from you about this wiki licensing business :)
[03:34] <mdke> good news
[03:34] <Burgundavia> are you trying to extort money from me? I won't have it!
[03:35] <Madpilot> :D
[03:35] <mdke> Burgundavia: i also sell encyclopedias
[03:35] <Burgundavia> really? I need a set of those
[03:35] <mdke> and insurance
[03:36] <Burgundavia> got any land in Florida? I need some. Islands are better, as I just bought this english bridge. It was a great bargain
[03:37] <mdke> heh
[03:39] <mdke> bloody hell, it's still going
[03:39] <mdke> ah. done
[03:39] <Burgundavia> I expect it to take about 20 minutes
[03:39] <Burgundavia> or not
[03:39] <mdke> should have timed it
[03:39] <Burgundavia> php mailer takes longer, due to doing some mail merging as it sends
[03:40] <mdke> god knows how my mail queue is
[03:40] <mdke> it's probably all queued up
[03:40] <Burgundavia> http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=19050 <-- look FUD
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[03:43] <Madpilot> mdke, I predict a lot of the messages will go straight to you, rather than to the CC email you mentioned...
[03:43] <mdke> I've already got like a hundred bounces
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[03:45] <mdke> well, 75
[04:13] <mdke> meh
[04:13] <mdke> trying to help can be a thankless task sometimes
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[04:23] <Madpilot> mdke, you've got complaints about the licensing stuff already?
[04:24] <mdke> some serious slapping around in -devel
[04:24] <Madpilot> WTF for?
[04:26] <mdke> no, that's an exaggeration
[04:27] <mdke> but they didn't like the idea that the email kinda says "if there is silence, we assume you consent"
[04:27] <mdke> logically, I suppose they are right
[04:27] <Madpilot> but practically, there's no other way to do it...
[04:28] <mdke> yeah
[04:28] <mdke> either that, or start from scratch with no material
[04:28] <mdke> which would be a waste
[04:28] <mdke> anyhow, changing the subject
[04:28] <mdke> Madpilot: where are we on book covers?
[04:28] <Madpilot> was wondering that myself
[04:29] <Madpilot> first of all, is the official name "Ubuntu 6.06 LTS" now, w/ the LTS added?
[04:29] <mdke> yeah, Long Term Support
[04:29] <Madpilot> OK
[04:30] <mdke> we had some nice covers from some art people
[04:30] <Madpilot> I'll update my cover SVGs accordingly - we've got one other candidate cover too
[04:31] <mdke> i can't find that other cover
[04:33] <Madpilot> just looking for the author's name myself
[04:34] <mdke> http://klepas.org/temp/ubuntu/ubuntu-doc-cover-front.png ?
[04:34] <Madpilot> yes, that's the one. I've got an SVG version of it too.
[04:35] <Madpilot> only problem with it is the "Dapper Drake" text - that'll need to go.
[04:35] <Madpilot> assuming it's chosen over my cover idea - I'll leave that up to the community
[04:36] <mdke> Madpilot: where is yours again?
[04:36] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/ 
[04:37] <mdke> i don't think the community is going to have a decisive voice on this
[04:38] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft_CQsize.png <-- Ubuntu DG cover
[04:39] <Madpilot> well, not the community as a whole, but docteam and possibly artteam should have a say, I'd think
[04:39] <mdke> we don't have much time really
[04:40] <Madpilot> yeah, I know
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[04:40] <Madpilot> robotgeek was working on a little script to pull the translated titles out of the docs so we can have translated covers too
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[04:41] <mdke> i tell you what I like about the klepas one, is how the white makes the ubuntu logo stand out
[04:41] <Madpilot> yes
[04:42] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft2_CQsize.png <-- I added the white shape to this one
[04:43] <mdke> that's a bit too harsh a contrast i think
[04:43] <mdke> although I have no feel for what it would look like on paper
[04:43] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, that last one, ick
[04:43] <Burgundavia> I still think the lots of logos looks busy
[04:44] <Madpilot> that last one was a bit of a hack, just threw the white shape into the existing design
[04:44] <mdke> their respective merits are opposites: the klepas one is subtle because of the colours, whereas the Madpilot ones are a bit more colourful
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[04:45] <Madpilot> I like the bright orange, it's eye-catching ;)
[04:45] <mdke> Madpilot: i think we should leave it to you to be official producer of book covers
[04:45] <Burgundavia> I really like the klepas ones
[04:45] <Burgundavia> they are bold and simple
[04:47] <Madpilot> all that Ubuntu palette info along the left side of klepas' cover - anyone know where he got that? I haven't seen anything like it on the wiki...
[04:49] <Burgundavia> it is around
[04:49] <Burgundavia> the artworks pages have been under almost constant flux, so I have no idea where to findit
[04:50] <mdke> Madpilot: the other thing was those admon icons, do you think you would know how to get them at a higher resolution? just to see what will happen
[04:50] <Madpilot> hmm, I'd forgotten about them. I'll have a go this weekend
[04:50] <mdke> that would be great
[04:50] <mdke> I'm so damn busy atm
[04:51] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hmm, i had forgtotten about it :)
[04:51] <Madpilot> it's a long weekend here, so I've got time
[05:05] <robotgeek> mdke: how did you email?
[05:05] <mdke> robotgeek: i'll paste it
[05:06] <mdke> http://pastebin.com/727629
[05:06] <robotgeek> oooh, nice. 
[05:07] <robotgeek> i hope you did not send 4500 to community-council :)
[05:07] <mdke> no, I didn't send any to it
[05:07] <robotgeek> hmm, okay. 
[05:08] <robotgeek> i did not know about import csv
[05:08] <mdke> spiv did it for me
[05:08] <robotgeek> cool
[05:08] <mdke> right, see ya
[05:08] <Madpilot> later, mdke 
[05:09] <robotgeek> mdke: later
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[06:04] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/Ubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft3_CQsize.png <-- changed layout and some colours - thoughts?
[06:05] <mgalvin> so i started working on the release notes on the wiki... i find these types on docs are easier on the wiki so the devs have easy access to it too...
[06:06] <mgalvin> do you guys think it should be moved into docbook when done?
[06:30] <Laser_away> Madpilot: I got a timeout
[06:31] <Madpilot> Laser_away, on that image? try again, it should be working
[06:32] <Laser_away> hmm, still a timeout
[06:33] <Madpilot> it works here, not that that helps... :P
[06:34] <Madpilot> just a sec, I'll pastebin the thing
[06:37] <Madpilot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14326
[06:38] <Madpilot> Laser_away, ^^^ pastebin
[06:38] <Madpilot> at a reduced size, for sanity
[06:41] <Laser_away> Madpilot: I like it
[06:41] <Madpilot> getting rid of the Human brown makes it much lighter
[06:42] <Laser_away> hmm
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[07:23] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, I like it. I would lighten up the logo even more and maybe have it half off the page, ala the back of the ubuntu cds
[07:24] <Madpilot> I'll mock that up in a moment
[07:24] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, did the warbard.ca URL work for you?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:25] <Madpilot> wonder why it wasn't working for Laser?
[07:25] <Madpilot> odd
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[12:20] <Madpilot> hmm?
[12:21] <mdke> hi Madpilot 
[12:21] <mdke> just ughing at going to bed really late and feeling ughy in the morning
[12:23] <mdke> you were right at people replying to me about the licensing
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[12:24] <Madpilot> any really irrational replies, or is it mostly just confused people?
[12:26] <mdke> not too bad actually
[12:26] <mdke> only about 10 replies, mostly favourable
[12:26] <mdke> one has insisted that he can't licence his personal page as PD
[12:26] <mdke> ;)
[12:27] <Madpilot> .... ?
[12:28] <mdke> dunno
[12:31] <mdke> Madpilot: that cover looks nice
[12:31] <Madpilot> thanks
[12:32] <Madpilot> I've redone the Kubuntu cover too, but haven't cranked out a png yet - tomorrow
[12:32] <mdke> lovely.
[12:34] <Madpilot> I need sleep - talk to you all later
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[07:34] <mdke> highvoltage: yo. We need to have a chat at some stage about how BetterWikiDocs might effect the edubuntu documentation on the wiki
[07:36] <LaserJock> mdke: I talked to ogra briefly about that
[07:36] <mdke> LaserJock: aha
[07:37] <mdke> LaserJock: I need to watch Dr Who right now, but let's talk about it later
[07:37] <LaserJock> mdke: we have a short list of docs that could go on the help. wiki
[07:37] <LaserJock> mdke: np, highvoltage is probably better to talk to anyway :-)
[07:37] <mdke> an option would be to do help.edubuntu.org like wiki.edubuntu.org
[07:37] <mdke> bbl
[07:42] <Rawh> lalalalala beer lalalalala
[07:44] <tuxmaniac> Rawh: hmmm :)
[07:53] <cbx33> mdke, Laser_away I've been tasked with the wiki cleanup on the edubuntu side, would this affect me, ie is there anything ICan do to help?
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[08:23] <Laser_away> cbx33: we just need to figure out what needs to get moved and what doesn;t
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[08:27] <mdke> back
[08:28] <mdke> Laser_away: so, you think you guys are keen to move too?
[08:28] <mdke> hey Madpilot 
[08:28] <Madpilot> hi
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[08:30] <mdke> Madpilot: you still use opera?
[08:30] <Madpilot> yes
[08:31] <Madpilot> what's up?
[08:31] <mdke> Madpilot: can you make sure this theme looks alright: http://help.ubuntu.com/wiki
[08:32] <Madpilot> looks fine
[08:32] <mdke> good, thanks
[08:32] <Madpilot> there's a small problem with the tab positions on the top right, but all the Ubuntu CSS seems to have that problem in Opera...
[08:32] <mdke> oh
[08:33] <mdke> screenie?
[08:33] <Madpilot> sure. one sec.
[08:33] <cbx33> mdke, do you have access to the edubuntu front page too?
[08:34] <cbx33> ie to that webserver?
[08:34] <mdke> cbx33: no. But anyway I'm not sure what page you're talking about
[08:34] <mdke> the wiki?
[08:34] <cbx33> I just need someone with admin access that server
[08:35] <cbx33> I want to take a copy of the edubuntu css theme for drupal
[08:35] <Madpilot> mdke, http://www.warbard.ca/temp/help-ubuntu-in-Opera9.png
[08:35] <cbx33> I'm helping highvoltage fix it
[08:35] <cbx33> but he's not been around to give me a copy
[08:35] <mdke> cbx33: if you tell us what you're talking about, we can probably tell you who can help
[08:35] <cbx33> and we're supposed to have it done by the end of the weekend :p
[08:35] <cbx33> drupal www.edubuntu.org
[08:35] <Madpilot> mdke, notice that the 5.10 and 6.06 tabs are floating above the baseline...
[08:35] <mdke> Madpilot: yuck
[08:36] <Madpilot> mdke, all the Ubuntu sites do that in Opera. I've asked around, and nobody is quite sure why.
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[08:36] <cbx33> hehe sorry highvoltage 
[08:36] <cbx33> was just trying to get a head start on the css issue
[08:36] <mdke> Madpilot: that's pretty serious
[08:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: ah, i meant to go to work today, but weather has been bad, so i'm going tomorrow morning
[08:37] <mdke> cbx33: yeah, highvoltage can help you
[08:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: +/- 10am i'll get that tarball for you :)
[08:37] <highvoltage> hey mdk and Laser_away 
[08:37] <cbx33> thanks highvoltage, no pressure
[08:37] <mdke> hiya
[08:37] <Madpilot> mdke, yes, but all the Firefox fanboys aren't too interested in fixing an Opera-only problem ;)
[08:37] <cbx33> just trying to fix it up
[08:37] <mdke> Madpilot: ahh
[08:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: great
[08:39] <mdke> highvoltage: we were talking about the wiki move. At the moment it is taking with it everything with CategoryDocumentation, i wanted to talk about edubuntu related documentation, are you happy with it going too, or not?
[08:40] <mdke> Madpilot: well, if you find the answer, tell me and I'll push it into that theme, and bug henrik to fix everything else
[08:40] <cbx33> mdke, so this is everything taged with CategoryDocumentatino?
[08:41] <cbx33> mdke, I'm just in the middle of pulling together all LTSP related docs for ogra - UbuntuLTSP
[08:41] <mdke> cbx33: I kinda just said that
[08:41] <Madpilot> mdke, yeah, I've poked at it a bit before, but never gotten seriously into it. The wiki has so many CSS files in play it's hard to sort out what comes from where...
[08:41] <cbx33> cos they have been scattered everywhere
[08:41] <mdke> Madpilot: the tabs are "sisternav" in screen.css
[08:42] <highvoltage> mdke: yes, i am happy with it going on, if i understand you correctly
[08:42] <Madpilot> mdke, ah, thanks. I'll have a look later this weekend.
[08:43] <mdke> highvoltage: we could think about doing a help.edubuntu.org on the new wiki like with the current one, and a theme. Would you have any time for that? obviously broadly speaking the same theme would work 
[08:43] <highvoltage> shees, 1200 new emails since i last checked mail (Monday)
[08:43] <highvoltage> mdke: that's a great sugggestion. i'm surprised it hasn't come up before.
[08:44] <highvoltage> mdke: i can arrange the infrastucture for cbx33 
[08:44] <highvoltage> mdke: i'm sure he'd be willing to help out on that
[08:44] <cbx33> :D - sounds great
[08:44] <mdke> infrastructure?
[08:45] <highvoltage> mdke: as in... organise the subdomain in RT, get the theme there, etc. cbx33 can get the page content together and 'draw it up'
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[08:45] <highvoltage> mdke: understand?
[08:45] <mdke> ok. The wiki is up on palmer and we're going to have it at http://help.ubuntu.com/community
[08:45] <mdke> help.ubuntu.com being static material as now
[08:46] <cbx33> bbl guys
[08:46] <cbx33> highvoltage, talk me thorugh it when I return :p
[08:46] <highvoltage> cbx33: return from?
[08:47] <mdke> highvoltage: so, we'll do some tests soon for migrating pages, the only thing is to make sure all the documentation is tagged with CategoryDocumentation
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[08:48] <highvoltage> mdke: ok, can you tag a wiki page with more than one category?
[08:48] <highvoltage> (sorry if that's an ignorant question)
[08:48] <mdke> yes
[08:48] <highvoltage> i thought it might be good to tag a page as an edubuntu page
[08:48] <mdke> the categories are just done by searching the raw text for a word
[08:48] <highvoltage> but on the other hand, you can also find all edubuntu pages by doing a title search on "Edubuntu"
[08:48] <mdke> so any page with CategoryDocumentation anywhere in the text appears on the CategoryDocumentation page
[08:48] <highvoltage> ah, i see
[08:49] <mdke> evem in commented text, i think
[08:49] <mdke> even*
[08:49] <highvoltage> man i wish i had proper internet access
[08:50] <theCore> is it too late for submitting a cover art for the guides?
[08:50] <mdke> theCore: no, chat to Madpilot about it
[08:50] <mdke> -> dinner
[08:51] <Madpilot> theCore, give me a moment - real world interupt here...
[08:51] <theCore> Madpilot: okay
[08:52] <Rawh> *blinks*
[09:11] <Laser_away> Madpilot: I got a timeout on the opera screenshot, you sure you aren't blocking US IPs ;-)
[09:11] <Madpilot> theCore, OK, back. Have a look at this: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/Ubuntu_Covers_draft1.png
[09:11] <Madpilot> Laser_away, AFAIK I'm not blocking anything
[09:11] <theCore> http://www.peadrop.com/images/pg-cover.png
[09:11] <Madpilot> Laser_away, can you get to any of my site at all?
[09:12] <theCore> Madpilot: oh, we are making a bundle with all guides?
[09:13] <Madpilot> theCore, I know we're going to have all three Desktop Guides, the Packaging Guide, and I think the Server Guide at Lulu - not sure about other stuff (Edubuntu docs, for example)
[09:14] <theCore> Madpilot: isn't "Linux for humans" slogan was removed from the branding?
[09:14] <Rawh> hmm, i doubt there's someone online who manages mirros ?
[09:14] <Rawh> mirrors even
[09:14] <Madpilot> Rawh, ubuntu's mirrors?
=== Rawh nods
[09:14] <Rawh> there's something fishy obout a file i just mirrored
[09:15] <Rawh> in the releases direcory there's a symlink called 'releases' which links back to the current dir
[09:15] <Laser_away> Madpilot: nope, I get a timeout on http://www.warbard.ca/
[09:15] <Rawh> thats not usefull imho
[09:15] <Madpilot> Laser_away - merde. I'll open a ticket with my webspace supplier then...
[09:16] <theCore> Madpilot: I can see it
[09:16] <Rawh> Madpilot: same here, no problem with loading it
[09:16] <Madpilot> you both in the states?
[09:16] <Laser_away> :/
[09:16] <Rawh> im in holland / the netherlands
[09:17] <Madpilot> and theCore is in Toronto, it looks like. Odd...
[09:17] <theCore> Madpilot: nope, montreal
[09:18] <Rawh> hmm
[09:18] <Rawh> this really isn't usefull :
[09:18] <Rawh> http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/linux/ubuntu/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/
[09:18] <theCore> hehe
[09:18] <Rawh> i could go on and on
[09:18] <Madpilot> ah, OK. Your IP says toronto, that's all...
[09:18] <Rawh> my ip says that ?
[09:18] <Madpilot> no, theCore's does
[09:19] <Rawh> phew
[09:19] <Rawh> this remembers me, i should use irssi on our webspace machine... but then again, noone found out yet :)
[09:20] <Madpilot> Rawh, docteam doesn't have anything to do with the mirrors, really. Not sure which channel to suggest, though.
[09:23] <Laser_away> Rawh: you might be able to just file a bug and see what the archive admins say
[09:23] <Madpilot> theCore, about "Linux for Human Beings" - it's still at the top of the ubuntu.com main page, so I think it's still in use.
[09:25] <theCore> Madpilot: well, it been removed from the logo 
[09:26] <Rawh> well there's a new channel for it
[09:26] <Rawh> but since i'm almost the only one in there... :)
[09:29] <Madpilot> theCore, you sure? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official still has the strapline versions listed, and Jane S. is pretty good at adding/removing material from the art pages
=== mdke arrives back to see the madness
[09:42] <Madpilot> mdke, in case you missed it: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Covers/Ubuntu_Covers_draft1.png
[09:43] <mdke> v nice
[09:44] <mdke> yep, those would be perfect
[09:44] <mdke> what's the situation with changing the text?
[09:45] <Madpilot> no idea. We need to get robotgeek around - I seem to have deleted my copy of his little script
[09:45] <mdke> oh, maybe you can spread the words out a bit
[09:45] <mdke> move the logo up a lil bit, and the Docteam bit down
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[09:54] <Madpilot> mdke, know anything about use of the Human Beings logo/strapline? theCore mentioned that he thought it was being phased out, but I haven't heard anything
[09:55] <mdke> Madpilot: no idea. I'd go with the artwork wiki pages
[09:55] <mdke> oh hang on
[09:56] <mdke> no, they certainly haven't abandoned "linux for human beings"
[09:57] <Madpilot> didn't think so, myself.
[09:58] <theCore> what about this? https://launchpad.net/bounties/all-linux-for-humans
[09:59] <Madpilot> that's a bounty that some user is offering, AFAIK, not Ubuntu/Canonical
[09:59] <theCore> ah, ok
[10:00] <Madpilot> "Registrant:  foolswisdom" - on the lefthand side
[10:00] <mdke> how inappropriate is it to use a bounty for that discussion?
[10:00] <mdke> muppets
[10:02] <Madpilot> I don't think any of the devs or sabdfl have even bothered to comment on it...
[10:04] <Madpilot> I don't think any of the "core" Ubuntu folks have bothered with that 'bounty', actually...
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[10:55] <mdke> bloody fop
[10:55] <mdke> this morning, bookmarks were nice in the pdf files, now they don't work again
[10:55] <mdke> fop hateses me
[11:10] <Madpilot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14356 <-- front & back covers, slightly tweaked
=== mdke hugs Madpilot 
[11:11] <mdke> brilliant
[11:11] <mdke> ok, so now we need to sort out the admon icons, and I need to sort out a couple of minor problems, and we're ready
[11:11] <Madpilot> the XFCE mouse looks like it's swimming on the back cover ;)
[11:12] <Madpilot> I'll have a bash at the admon icons in a bit - need lunch now
[11:12] <mdke> rock, I think i've figured out how to specify the appropriate size
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[11:14] <Madpilot> should we put some copyright info on the back covers, or leave them blank? (I think lulu adds their URL & the ISBN, don't they?
[11:14] <mdke> Madpilot: I think leave them blank
[11:14] <mdke> lulu can leave it blank too
[11:14] <mdke> there is copyright stuff inside, after all
[11:15] <Madpilot> right
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