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Thomas_JOkay.. So I'm midly confused... What exatly is the MOTU... ive read the page but is it a development area for the just the Universe or for Ubuntu as a whole?12:35
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LaserJockThomas_J: it is specifically for Universe and Multivers but often people who want to work on Main come through here too12:44
Thomas_Jcool... So where do I start... lol12:44
LaserJockThomas_J: do you know anything about Debian-based packaging?12:45
Thomas_JHonestly.. No but I want to learn...12:45
LaserJockgreat, then you are in the right place ;-)12:45
Thomas_JI kinda hoed so...12:45
Thomas_Jhoped*12:45
LaserJockThomas_J: are you running Dapper?12:46
Thomas_JBy no I mean I know what it is and ho it works ut actually making packages Im out of...12:46
Thomas_JAnd I'm DLing that latest Flight now..12:46
Thomas_Jthe*12:46
LaserJockThomas_J: ok, well Dapper actually comes with a packaging guide that some MOTUs and I put together12:47
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Thomas_JCool12:47
Thomas_JDams Invincible ad Its dumb formatting...12:47
Thomas_JDamn*12:47
LaserJockThomas_J: so when you install it you can go into System->Help->System Documentation or something like that12:47
Thomas_Jkk12:47
Thomas_JHey... On the topic of the Flights.. when is 8 due out?12:47
LaserJockThomas_J: in the mean time it is also at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html12:48
LaserJockthere isn't going to be an 812:48
Thomas_Joh...12:48
Thomas_JWhy is it listed in the Developer page?12:48
LaserJockbecuase it was canceled and nobody updated the page12:48
LaserJock:-)12:48
Thomas_JLaughing Out Loud oh...12:49
Thomas_J<DAMN INVINCIBLE>12:49
LaserJockThomas_J: ok, I'd read that guide and also perhaps http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/12:50
Thomas_Jokay... I shall..12:50
LaserJockyou can poke around the wiki pages too. Lots of links on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU12:50
LaserJockand people are pretty friendly here so have fun, read lots, and ask questions when you need to12:51
ajmitchmorning12:52
LaserJockhi ajmitch12:53
LaserJockThomas_J: and do whatever ajmitch says because he knows what he is doing ;-)12:53
ajmitchsigh12:53
LaserJockhehe12:53
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Thomas_JLaserJock: kk...01:02
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Thomas_JLOL someone just update the Ubuntu Test Flight 8 page...01:08
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Thomas_JWell here goes test flight 701:24
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welshbytehm why on earth does nvidia-glx conflict with nvidia-settings despite nvidia-settings recommending nvidia-glx02:00
LaserJockwelshbyte: did you check the changelogs?02:04
welshbytenot yet, just thinking out loud02:04
StevenKwelshbyte: In Dapper?02:12
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bddebianHeya gang02:14
ajmitchhi02:14
bddebianHeya ajmitch02:15
LaserJockhi bddebian02:16
bddebianHi LaserJock02:16
welshbyteStevenK: yep, i just installed it on my new AMD64 box02:17
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zulhey02:48
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Toadstoolgood night all02:57
Hobbseenight ToadZzZztool02:59
Hobbseehi all03:00
zulhi Hobbsee03:00
Hobbseehi zul03:00
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bddebianHeya zul03:18
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Hobbsee_awayhi bddebian :P03:23
crimsun(no jumping ;-)03:23
Hobbsee_awayhi crimsun03:23
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Hobbsee_awayhmmm...so i see...this is odd...03:24
crimsun'lo Hobbsee_away03:24
bddebianHi Hobbsee_away03:24
bddebianHeya crimsun03:24
crimsun'lo bddebian03:24
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Toadstoolhi here10:46
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RemyLaptophey guys, how do you get something added in to the repositories?  I'd love teamspeak to be in there :)  http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=downloads12:40
\shteamspeak is like skype12:40
RemyLaptophm, kinda but not really12:41
\shfree, as in free beer, but not OSS12:41
RemyLaptopahk12:41
RemyLaptopbugga12:41
\shand I doubt that the distribution license will be changed for teamspeak12:41
ajmitchhey \sh12:41
RemyLaptopk, thanks :)12:41
\shhey ajmitch12:41
\shactually teamspeak was somewhat broken on linux the last time I tried it12:42
ajmitchlooks like it can't be distributed12:42
\shajmitch: it can't :)12:43
neutrinomassWhy isn't Ubuntu using Debian menus ? Additionally, why don't we just create the .desktop files from the Debian menu files and go into the trouble of writing them from scratch ?12:46
RemyLaptop\sh - what do you mean by broken ?12:54
\shit didn't work12:54
RemyLaptophmk12:55
RemyLaptopcause atm it's working except that other's can't hear me...12:55
\shyes that's one of the reasons :)12:55
RemyLaptopdoh12:56
\shskype is working12:56
RemyLaptopskype works fine for me...12:57
RemyLaptopso it's kinda wierd12:57
\shwell, teamspeak is only for people who are gaming a lot...so it's nothing to be bothered (at least for me :))12:59
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phanatichi people01:13
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neutrinomassBug #2451 has been fixed in debian. Could it be please fixed in Ubuntu as well ?01:37
UbugtuMalone bug 2451 in giftui "Seg fault" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/245101:37
ivokslet see...01:38
ajmitch2451, must be quite an old bug01:39
ivoksneutrinomass: did you test it?01:39
ivoksajmitch: yes, from breezy :)01:39
StevenKneutrinomass: Not in Breezy.01:39
ajmitchthe debian bug report says it's fixed in 0.4.1-7, we have -6 in dapper01:40
neutrinomassivoks: No, but from the Debian changelog : * Fix major bug, giftui should start now (Closes: #350519) <-- that's the only changed01:40
ajmitchso it looks worthy of a sync request01:40
neutrinomassI'm talking about Dapper, not breezy.01:40
ivoksajmitch: sync is all that's needed01:40
ajmitchivoks: as I said :)01:40
ivoksajmitch: yup, i was watching my keyboard while typing :)01:41
ajmitchhehe01:41
StevenKWho wants to request the sync?01:41
ivoksneutrinomass: we still need to test it01:41
ivoksStevenK: i'll do it01:41
ivoksneutrinomass: you'll be here in couple of minutes, right?01:42
neutrinomassivoks: OK. Let me grab the debian package ...01:42
neutrinomassivoks: Yes, just ping me.01:42
ivoksneutrinomass: no need, i'll made a ubuntu package, so you can test it01:42
neutrinomassivoks: OK, thanks a lot :)01:42
StevenKHah.01:43
StevenK"Geelong scored 44, and Collingwood have beaten them by 102 points."01:43
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StevenKAnother announcer scoffs and says, "Well, crap. There's my tips gone."01:44
ajmitchheh01:44
ivoksneutrinomass: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/giftui_0.4.1-7_i386.deb01:48
neutrinomassThanks.01:50
ivoksdoes it work?01:50
neutrinomassjust a moment ..01:50
neutrinomassivoks: Yep :)01:52
ivoksok01:52
neutrinomassivoks: At least it starts that is. I'm getting some critical GTK/GDK errors on the console but nevertheless, it starts.01:55
neutrinomassivoks: Failed assertations mostly, null pointers here and there but nothing crashes.01:56
ivoksthat's another bug01:56
neutrinomassivoks: Yeah, I thought as much. Felt like you should know though :)01:56
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bddebianHeya gang02:21
phanatichey bddebian02:21
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bddebianHi phanatic02:22
phanaticbddebian: if you have some time, could you upload this for me please: bug 4514402:23
UbugtuMalone bug 45144 in sysinfo "sysinfo returns garbage when opened without gcc installed" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4514402:23
bddebianphanatic: Looking now02:24
phanaticthanks02:25
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bddebianphanatic: Uploading02:30
phanaticbddebian: thank you :)02:30
bddebianNo, thank YOU ;-)02:31
DarkMageZwhat are the chances of getting dosbox updated to 0.65?02:34
HobbseeDarkMageZ: for dapper?  nil.02:34
DarkMageZjob for backports i see02:34
ajmitchespecially as there's no 0.65 package in debian02:35
ajmitch& no critical bugs filed against dosbox urging us to replace it02:36
tuxmaniacbddebian: heya02:37
bddebianHi tuxmaniac02:37
DarkMageZyeah, does backports have a chanel?02:37
HobbseeDarkMageZ: it wont be backported yet...02:38
Hobbseenothing to backport from.02:38
DarkMageZoh, for future reference, lol02:38
Hobbseeah :)02:38
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persiaHow big should an icon be?  is 48x48 good?  Is 128x128 desirable?03:46
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\shre04:54
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richiehi04:55
Hobbseehi \sh04:55
Hobbsee& richie04:55
\shhey Hobbsee congrats btw :)04:55
Hobbsee\sh: thanks....um...what for?04:55
\shkubuntu community council?04:56
Hobbseeah :)04:56
Hobbseei was surprised - i wasnt even at the meeting, and people just started suggesting me!04:56
\shand I didn't even know that there was an election going on :(04:57
Hobbseehehe04:57
richiei have a little question about bug fixing!04:57
Hobbseewas discussed in the last couple of kubuntu meetings04:58
richieam i right here?04:58
Hobbseerichie: yes, here or #ubuntu+bugs04:58
richieok :-)04:58
richiei still wrote a email to the creator of the package "azureus" in dapper universe04:59
richiebecause it seems the maintainier is not realy active04:59
\shhmmm...who is the "creator" of the package in dapper universe?04:59
richieand there are two serious bugs04:59
richiei have a look05:00
\shMaintainer: Shaun Jackman <sjackman@debian.org>05:00
\shor do you mean the uploader of the changed package in dapper?05:00
richiehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/azureus/2.4.0.2-0ubuntu205:00
richieno05:01
\shthe "creator" was the uploader...maintainer of azureus is shaun and he is more likely debian :)05:01
richiebut there are no contact information for Shuan Jackman05:01
\shapt-cache show azureus :)05:01
\shwhat's the bug anyways?05:02
richieso https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/4226905:02
UbugtuMalone bug 42269 in azureus "Does not create a tray icon" [Normal,Confirmed] 05:02
richieand espacialy https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/4181305:03
UbugtuMalone bug 41813 in azureus "pop-up dialogs doesn't close." [Normal,Confirmed] 05:03
richieyes05:03
richie;-)05:03
richiei love azureus05:03
richieand i would be greatfull if these bugs are fix in final dapper05:04
richieso what shall i do?05:05
\sh41813 is upstream....05:05
richiei read on ubuntuusers.de,  that the debian package works great05:05
\shalready reported upstream, so it's not likely to be fixed in this package05:05
richiewithout these bugs05:05
richiethey will be fixed?05:07
\shok...41813 will unlikely not fixed by us :( it's upstream and it has to do with azureus, stupid java and xorg705:11
\sh42269 is something which is fun05:12
richiejo ;-)05:14
richieand what about #4252305:14
richiemozilla disturbs me!05:15
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bddebianAck, the diff between our azureus 2.4.0.2-0 and Debian 2.4.0.2-1 seems HUGE??05:18
bddebianHi \sh btw :-)05:20
bddebianOK, now gotta go play with my daugthers, catch you later folks05:20
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bddebianUhm daughters even :-)05:20
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\shhey doko..greetings to the debconf6 people :)05:24
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richiebey05:43
richiebye05:43
richie;-)05:44
richiei should do may english excercises now05:44
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Hobbseehehe05:45
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zulheylo06:33
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bddebianHeya zul06:52
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zulhey bddebian06:54
tuxmaniacheya world06:55
bddebianHi tuxmaniac06:56
bddebianWTF is this crap in debian/rules??06:56
bddebian        # autorun.sh gave links to wrong config.sub and config.guess06:56
bddebian        ln -s /usr/share/misc/config.sub06:56
bddebian        ln -s /usr/share/misc/config.guess06:56
bddebian        ln -s /usr/share/automake-1.7/depcomp06:56
tuxmaniachmmmmmm06:58
tuxmaniacwrong symbolic links that isnt present I suppose06:59
bddebianNo it says ./config.sub file exists.  But WTF is the point of the above??07:00
bddebianHeya LaserJock07:02
LaserJockhi bddebian!07:04
tuxmaniacLaserJock: I atlast set up my pbuilder environment on Dapper :)07:07
bddebiantuxmaniac: Built all those VLSI and such packages yet? ;-P07:07
tuxmaniacneutrinomass had demotivated me :P07:08
bddebianWhy?07:08
tuxmaniacHe said all EDA tools are crap and no one is using it except me.. Which I fscking want to prove him wrong :D07:08
LaserJocktuxmaniac: well, if we have rocking packages people are more likely to use them ;-)07:11
LaserJocktuxmaniac: and make sure they show up on wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists07:11
tuxmaniacWell I will modify the existing packages and make it rock!07:11
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LaserJock:-)07:13
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tuxmaniacLaserJock: Why the hell is Iverilog not there!07:14
tuxmaniacLaserJock: It does not come with geda in Ubuntu I guess07:14
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LaserJocktuxmaniac: it does in Debian?07:16
tuxmaniacI dunno.. But iverilog should be ownlaoded seperately07:16
tuxmaniacthe package name is verilog07:16
tuxmaniacit is one of the best well know verilog compiler, synthesiser07:16
tuxmaniacLaserJock: Am adding it on the wiki07:17
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tuxmaniacLaserJock: Got the mail? Of my change in the wiki!!! :)07:24
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LaserJocktuxmaniac: yep07:24
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pianoboy3333Can someone here help me with packaging a python module (pynotify)? I have used dh_make and (I believe) put the correct files into the debian folder, but dpkg-buildpkg fails.07:38
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tuxmaniacpianoboy3333: what is it say?07:41
pianoboy3333tuxmaniac: ok, lemme get the output, hold on07:42
tuxmaniacpianoboy3333: pastebin the output07:44
pianoboy3333tuxmaniac: should I build it with `dpkg-buildpkg -rfakeroot' ?07:44
tuxmaniacI guess so!07:45
tuxmaniacwhy dont you use debuild?07:46
tuxmaniacpianoboy3333: ^^^07:46
pianoboy3333tuxmaniac: how?07:46
pianoboy3333I was using http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html as a guide, and it said to use dpkg-buildpackage07:47
tuxmaniacIt starts with dpkg-buildpkg and ends with debsign.. No hassles07:47
pianoboy3333just run `dbuild' ?07:48
pianoboy3333sorry07:48
pianoboy3333debuild07:48
tuxmaniacpianoboy3333: run debuild from the inside source directory... That is from parent directory of debian07:49
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pianoboy3333tuxmaniac: failed: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1434407:51
tuxmaniacseems like a build error.. Am not very experienced! bddebian or someone help pianoboy3333 ?07:56
pianoboy3333It's weird though, I currently have it installed on my system with checkinstall07:57
tuxmaniacNo I guess you have not specified some build-dependency.. Its not finding a dep IMO07:57
pianoboy3333a dep?07:58
tuxmaniacpianoboy3333: I am sure.. Its some dependency problem.. Its giving errors in pynotify.c08:01
pianoboy3333Ah, I think something isn't configured correctly, becuase I can build it with checkinstall. Would you like what I have so far? I can zip the whole build directory and chuck it onto my server.08:02
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bddebianIt's a ton of undefined references08:03
bddebianEither your are missing something or..08:04
bddebianHere is the first error:08:05
bddebian.libs/pynotifymodule.o: In function `init_pynotify':/home/alex/Desktop/tobuild-pynotify/notify-python-0.1.0/src/pynotifymodule.c:13: undefined reference to `PyImport_ImportModule'08:05
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pianoboy3333bddebian: right...?08:07
bddebianSo is that an error in your program or are you not finding another python module that you are expecting?08:08
pianoboy3333bddebian: tuxmaniac: the directory I'm working with can be found at http://piano.juicemedia.tv/tobuild-pynotify.tar.bz208:08
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tuxmaniacseems like this pybliographer bug is taking things really down and deep08:11
pianoboy3333hmmmm08:14
tuxmaniacbug #3870808:16
UbugtuMalone bug 38708 in pybliographer "[Dapper]  Pybliographer doesn't seem to work with UTF-8" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3870808:16
tuxmaniacbddebian: ^^^ First the debian unstable repos has 1.2.8 pybliographer08:16
tuxmaniacand that needs python-bibtex 1.2.2 but Ubuntu has 1.2.1 :)08:17
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tuxmaniacpybliographer in dapper is 1.2.608:17
pianoboy3333I'm using dapper :)08:17
pianoboy3333So download and install the package pybliographer?08:17
tuxmaniacyes..08:18
tuxmaniacpianoboy3333: just do a apt-get install pybliographer08:18
pianoboy3333yep08:18
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pianoboy3333tuxmaniac: still failed...08:34
tuxmaniacpianoboy3333: what do you mean by still failed?08:34
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pianoboy3333tuxmaniac: install pybliograhper and retry?08:35
tuxmaniacOk.. By any chance did you think insalling pybliograper will solve your problem?08:36
tuxmaniac:D08:36
pianoboy3333no...08:36
pianoboy3333Ok, I have to run out I'll be back later.08:36
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nictukuwhat is the relation of python-codespeak-lib and python-pylib ?09:07
nictukubug #4578709:09
UbugtuMalone bug 45787 in pylib "Package fails to install in dapper" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4578709:09
tuxmaniacHey guys.. Suppose a package A depends on B and B 's old version is only there in Dapper..09:10
tuxmaniacI use pbuilder to check package B and then try to build and see package A..09:10
tuxmaniacHow do i maintain package B still in the build environment09:11
tuxmaniac?09:11
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tuxmaniac:)09:11
tuxmaniacOk.. forget it09:11
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TheBratchetHello. I just set up ubuntu on a new machine today. I am not totally new to linux, moderate experience over several years.10:36
TheBratchetI found that the version of Firefox I installed is (IMO) horribly out of date.10:36
TheBratchetOn the basis of "scratching nyour own itches", I would like to do something about htis.10:37
mynimalHave you tried Synaptic?10:37
MithrandirTheBratchet: you probably installed 5.10 which ships with firefox 1.0.  6.06 ships with 1.5.0.3.10:37
TheBratchetYes, I did. Is there an easy way to step up to 6.0.6? I just doenloaded the iso image from ubuntu.com.10:38
mynimalgksudo "update-manager -d"10:39
TheBratchetIn progress.10:41
TheBratchetBut I still woukd like to find some way of contributing, and ISTM that packaging might be a good palce to start?10:42
Mithrandirhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU is a good starting point10:43
TheBratchetOK - I'll search deeper. I've looked there, but I didn't find a good handle on how easy/difficult it was to get started.10:44
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BrujahHy everybody!11:18
BrujahIs there a chance that I get a program of mine that you need a commercial compiler for in the universe archive of ubuntu?11:18
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crimsunno.11:19
crimsuneverything in universe must be compilable with a compiler in universe or main11:19
crimsunit's possible to get it into multiverse, however.11:19
BrujahDamn. My game is written in purebasic which is closed source11:20
BrujahOkay where so i have to aks for that?11:20
crimsunerr, closed source? that's even more difficult.11:20
Brujahwww.purebasic.com11:21
BrujahMy game is here:11:21
Brujahwww.lostlabyrinth.com11:21
BrujahIts opensource but I wrote it in a commercial compiler11:22
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crimsundoes it compile with gcc/g++ at all?11:22
Mithrandirpurebasic is a completely different language, iirc11:23
crimsunerr11:23
crimsunyeah, duh11:23
plugwashon the subject of compilers how are self compiling compilers supposed to be introduced to universe11:23
BrujahIts a macroassembler and creates fasm code11:23
crimsunsorry, I completely missed the "basic" string11:23
Mithrandirplugwash: they're bootstrapped by hand, usually.11:23
plugwashyeah i remember lamont saying that but it never actually happened11:24
BrujahBut in multiverse it is possible?11:25
crimsunit would face the same dilemma that azureus once faced11:26
Brujahmeans?11:26
BrujahAh based on java?11:27
crimsunyeah, it wasn't in Ubuntu prior due to requiring a non-free Java11:27
BrujahI fear there will never be a free purebasic. But multiverse would be okay for me!11:28
BrujahSimply because its too small11:28
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pianoboy3333tuxmaniac: I think I'm doing something wrong... I tried to debianize another program and it failed with similar errors11:55
bddebianpianoboy3333: Have you read any of the wiki pages, or better yet, the Debian New Maintainers guide?11:59
pianoboy3333bddebian: I have been reading the Debian New... guide11:59
bddebianOK, great12:00
Bluekujapianoboy3333: what kind of problems are you talking about?12:00
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: let me get an output, hold on12:02

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