[12:35] <Thomas_J> Okay.. So I'm midly confused... What exatly is the MOTU... ive read the page but is it a development area for the just the Universe or for Ubuntu as a whole?
[12:44] <LaserJock> Thomas_J: it is specifically for Universe and Multivers but often people who want to work on Main come through here too
[12:44] <Thomas_J> cool... So where do I start... lol
[12:45] <LaserJock> Thomas_J: do you know anything about Debian-based packaging?
[12:45] <Thomas_J> Honestly.. No but I want to learn...
[12:45] <LaserJock> great, then you are in the right place ;-)
[12:45] <Thomas_J> I kinda hoed so...
[12:45] <Thomas_J> hoped*
[12:46] <LaserJock> Thomas_J: are you running Dapper?
[12:46] <Thomas_J> By no I mean I know what it is and ho it works ut actually making packages Im out of...
[12:46] <Thomas_J> And I'm DLing that latest Flight now..
[12:46] <Thomas_J> the*
[12:47] <LaserJock> Thomas_J: ok, well Dapper actually comes with a packaging guide that some MOTUs and I put together
[12:47] <Thomas_J> Cool
[12:47] <Thomas_J> Dams Invincible ad Its dumb formatting...
[12:47] <Thomas_J> Damn*
[12:47] <LaserJock> Thomas_J: so when you install it you can go into System->Help->System Documentation or something like that
[12:47] <Thomas_J> kk
[12:47] <Thomas_J> Hey... On the topic of the Flights.. when is 8 due out?
[12:48] <LaserJock> Thomas_J: in the mean time it is also at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[12:48] <LaserJock> there isn't going to be an 8
[12:48] <Thomas_J> oh...
[12:48] <Thomas_J> Why is it listed in the Developer page?
[12:48] <LaserJock> becuase it was canceled and nobody updated the page
[12:48] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:49] <Thomas_J> Laughing Out Loud oh...
[12:49] <Thomas_J> <DAMN INVINCIBLE>
[12:50] <LaserJock> Thomas_J: ok, I'd read that guide and also perhaps http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[12:50] <Thomas_J> okay... I shall..
[12:50] <LaserJock> you can poke around the wiki pages too. Lots of links on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[12:51] <LaserJock> and people are pretty friendly here so have fun, read lots, and ask questions when you need to
[12:52] <ajmitch> morning
[12:53] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[12:53] <LaserJock> Thomas_J: and do whatever ajmitch says because he knows what he is doing ;-)
[12:53] <ajmitch> sigh
[12:53] <LaserJock> hehe
[01:02] <Thomas_J> LaserJock: kk...
[01:08] <Thomas_J> LOL someone just update the Ubuntu Test Flight 8 page...
[01:24] <Thomas_J> Well here goes test flight 7
[02:00] <welshbyte> hm why on earth does nvidia-glx conflict with nvidia-settings despite nvidia-settings recommending nvidia-glx
[02:04] <LaserJock> welshbyte: did you check the changelogs?
[02:04] <welshbyte> not yet, just thinking out loud
[02:12] <StevenK> welshbyte: In Dapper?
[02:14] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:14] <ajmitch> hi
[02:15] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[02:16] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[02:16] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock
[02:17] <welshbyte> StevenK: yep, i just installed it on my new AMD64 box
[02:48] <zul> hey
[02:57] <Toadstool> good night all
[02:59] <Hobbsee> night ToadZzZztool
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:00] <zul> hi Hobbsee
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hi zul
[03:18] <bddebian> Heya zul
[03:23] <Hobbsee_away> hi bddebian :P
[03:23] <crimsun> (no jumping ;-)
[03:23] <Hobbsee_away> hi crimsun
[03:24] <Hobbsee_away> hmmm...so i see...this is odd...
[03:24] <crimsun> 'lo Hobbsee_away
[03:24] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee_away
[03:24] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[03:24] <crimsun> 'lo bddebian
[10:46] <Toadstool> hi here
[12:40] <RemyLaptop> hey guys, how do you get something added in to the repositories?  I'd love teamspeak to be in there :)  http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=downloads
[12:40] <\sh> teamspeak is like skype
[12:41] <RemyLaptop> hm, kinda but not really
[12:41] <\sh> free, as in free beer, but not OSS
[12:41] <RemyLaptop> ahk
[12:41] <RemyLaptop> bugga
[12:41] <\sh> and I doubt that the distribution license will be changed for teamspeak
[12:41] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[12:41] <RemyLaptop> k, thanks :)
[12:41] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[12:42] <\sh> actually teamspeak was somewhat broken on linux the last time I tried it
[12:42] <ajmitch> looks like it can't be distributed
[12:43] <\sh> ajmitch: it can't :)
[12:46] <neutrinomass> Why isn't Ubuntu using Debian menus ? Additionally, why don't we just create the .desktop files from the Debian menu files and go into the trouble of writing them from scratch ?
[12:54] <RemyLaptop> \sh - what do you mean by broken ?
[12:54] <\sh> it didn't work
[12:55] <RemyLaptop> hmk
[12:55] <RemyLaptop> cause atm it's working except that other's can't hear me...
[12:55] <\sh> yes that's one of the reasons :)
[12:56] <RemyLaptop> doh
[12:56] <\sh> skype is working
[12:57] <RemyLaptop> skype works fine for me...
[12:57] <RemyLaptop> so it's kinda wierd
[12:59] <\sh> well, teamspeak is only for people who are gaming a lot...so it's nothing to be bothered (at least for me :))
[01:13] <phanatic> hi people
[01:37] <neutrinomass> Bug #2451 has been fixed in debian. Could it be please fixed in Ubuntu as well ?
[01:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2451 in giftui "Seg fault" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2451
[01:38] <ivoks> let see...
[01:39] <ajmitch> 2451, must be quite an old bug
[01:39] <ivoks> neutrinomass: did you test it?
[01:39] <ivoks> ajmitch: yes, from breezy :)
[01:39] <StevenK> neutrinomass: Not in Breezy.
[01:40] <ajmitch> the debian bug report says it's fixed in 0.4.1-7, we have -6 in dapper
[01:40] <neutrinomass> ivoks: No, but from the Debian changelog : * Fix major bug, giftui should start now (Closes: #350519) <-- that's the only changed
[01:40] <ajmitch> so it looks worthy of a sync request
[01:40] <neutrinomass> I'm talking about Dapper, not breezy.
[01:40] <ivoks> ajmitch: sync is all that's needed
[01:40] <ajmitch> ivoks: as I said :)
[01:41] <ivoks> ajmitch: yup, i was watching my keyboard while typing :)
[01:41] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:41] <StevenK> Who wants to request the sync?
[01:41] <ivoks> neutrinomass: we still need to test it
[01:41] <ivoks> StevenK: i'll do it
[01:42] <ivoks> neutrinomass: you'll be here in couple of minutes, right?
[01:42] <neutrinomass> ivoks: OK. Let me grab the debian package ...
[01:42] <neutrinomass> ivoks: Yes, just ping me.
[01:42] <ivoks> neutrinomass: no need, i'll made a ubuntu package, so you can test it
[01:42] <neutrinomass> ivoks: OK, thanks a lot :)
[01:43] <StevenK> Hah.
[01:43] <StevenK> "Geelong scored 44, and Collingwood have beaten them by 102 points."
[01:44] <StevenK> Another announcer scoffs and says, "Well, crap. There's my tips gone."
[01:44] <ajmitch> heh
[01:48] <ivoks> neutrinomass: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/giftui_0.4.1-7_i386.deb
[01:50] <neutrinomass> Thanks.
[01:50] <ivoks> does it work?
[01:50] <neutrinomass> just a moment ..
[01:52] <neutrinomass> ivoks: Yep :)
[01:52] <ivoks> ok
[01:55] <neutrinomass> ivoks: At least it starts that is. I'm getting some critical GTK/GDK errors on the console but nevertheless, it starts.
[01:56] <neutrinomass> ivoks: Failed assertations mostly, null pointers here and there but nothing crashes.
[01:56] <ivoks> that's another bug
[01:56] <neutrinomass> ivoks: Yeah, I thought as much. Felt like you should know though :)
[02:21] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:21] <phanatic> hey bddebian
[02:22] <bddebian> Hi phanatic
[02:23] <phanatic> bddebian: if you have some time, could you upload this for me please: bug 45144
[02:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45144 in sysinfo "sysinfo returns garbage when opened without gcc installed" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45144
[02:24] <bddebian> phanatic: Looking now
[02:25] <phanatic> thanks
[02:30] <bddebian> phanatic: Uploading
[02:30] <phanatic> bddebian: thank you :)
[02:31] <bddebian> No, thank YOU ;-)
[02:34] <DarkMageZ> what are the chances of getting dosbox updated to 0.65?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: for dapper?  nil.
[02:34] <DarkMageZ> job for backports i see
[02:35] <ajmitch> especially as there's no 0.65 package in debian
[02:36] <ajmitch> & no critical bugs filed against dosbox urging us to replace it
[02:37] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: heya
[02:37] <bddebian> Hi tuxmaniac
[02:37] <DarkMageZ> yeah, does backports have a chanel?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: it wont be backported yet...
[02:38] <Hobbsee> nothing to backport from.
[02:38] <DarkMageZ> oh, for future reference, lol
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[03:46] <persia> How big should an icon be?  is 48x48 good?  Is 128x128 desirable?
[04:54] <\sh> re
[04:55] <richie> hi
[04:55] <Hobbsee> hi \sh
[04:55] <Hobbsee> & richie
[04:55] <\sh> hey Hobbsee congrats btw :)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> \sh: thanks....um...what for?
[04:56] <\sh> kubuntu community council?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> i was surprised - i wasnt even at the meeting, and people just started suggesting me!
[04:57] <\sh> and I didn't even know that there was an election going on :(
[04:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:57] <richie> i have a little question about bug fixing!
[04:58] <Hobbsee> was discussed in the last couple of kubuntu meetings
[04:58] <richie> am i right here?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> richie: yes, here or #ubuntu+bugs
[04:58] <richie> ok :-)
[04:59] <richie> i still wrote a email to the creator of the package "azureus" in dapper universe
[04:59] <richie> because it seems the maintainier is not realy active
[04:59] <\sh> hmmm...who is the "creator" of the package in dapper universe?
[04:59] <richie> and there are two serious bugs
[05:00] <richie> i have a look
[05:00] <\sh> Maintainer: Shaun Jackman <sjackman@debian.org>
[05:00] <\sh> or do you mean the uploader of the changed package in dapper?
[05:00] <richie> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/azureus/2.4.0.2-0ubuntu2
[05:01] <richie> no
[05:01] <\sh> the "creator" was the uploader...maintainer of azureus is shaun and he is more likely debian :)
[05:01] <richie> but there are no contact information for Shuan Jackman
[05:01] <\sh> apt-cache show azureus :)
[05:02] <\sh> what's the bug anyways?
[05:02] <richie> so https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/42269
[05:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42269 in azureus "Does not create a tray icon" [Normal,Confirmed] 
[05:03] <richie> and espacialy https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/41813
[05:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41813 in azureus "pop-up dialogs doesn't close." [Normal,Confirmed] 
[05:03] <richie> yes
[05:03] <richie> ;-)
[05:03] <richie> i love azureus
[05:04] <richie> and i would be greatfull if these bugs are fix in final dapper
[05:05] <richie> so what shall i do?
[05:05] <\sh> 41813 is upstream....
[05:05] <richie> i read on ubuntuusers.de,  that the debian package works great
[05:05] <\sh> already reported upstream, so it's not likely to be fixed in this package
[05:05] <richie> without these bugs
[05:07] <richie> they will be fixed?
[05:11] <\sh> ok...41813 will unlikely not fixed by us :( it's upstream and it has to do with azureus, stupid java and xorg7
[05:12] <\sh> 42269 is something which is fun
[05:14] <richie> jo ;-)
[05:14] <richie> and what about #42523
[05:15] <richie> mozilla disturbs me!
[05:18] <bddebian> Ack, the diff between our azureus 2.4.0.2-0 and Debian 2.4.0.2-1 seems HUGE??
[05:20] <bddebian> Hi \sh btw :-)
[05:20] <bddebian> OK, now gotta go play with my daugthers, catch you later folks
[05:20] <bddebian> Uhm daughters even :-)
[05:24] <\sh> hey doko..greetings to the debconf6 people :)
[05:43] <richie> bey
[05:43] <richie> bye
[05:44] <richie> ;-)
[05:44] <richie> i should do may english excercises now
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:33] <zul> heylo
[06:52] <bddebian> Heya zul
[06:54] <zul> hey bddebian
[06:55] <tuxmaniac> heya world
[06:56] <bddebian> Hi tuxmaniac
[06:56] <bddebian> WTF is this crap in debian/rules??
[06:56] <bddebian>         # autorun.sh gave links to wrong config.sub and config.guess
[06:56] <bddebian>         ln -s /usr/share/misc/config.sub
[06:56] <bddebian>         ln -s /usr/share/misc/config.guess
[06:56] <bddebian>         ln -s /usr/share/automake-1.7/depcomp
[06:58] <tuxmaniac> hmmmmmm
[06:59] <tuxmaniac> wrong symbolic links that isnt present I suppose
[07:00] <bddebian> No it says ./config.sub file exists.  But WTF is the point of the above??
[07:02] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:04] <LaserJock> hi bddebian!
[07:07] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: I atlast set up my pbuilder environment on Dapper :)
[07:07] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: Built all those VLSI and such packages yet? ;-P
[07:08] <tuxmaniac> neutrinomass had demotivated me :P
[07:08] <bddebian> Why?
[07:08] <tuxmaniac> He said all EDA tools are crap and no one is using it except me.. Which I fscking want to prove him wrong :D
[07:11] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: well, if we have rocking packages people are more likely to use them ;-)
[07:11] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: and make sure they show up on wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists
[07:11] <tuxmaniac> Well I will modify the existing packages and make it rock!
[07:13] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:14] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Why the hell is Iverilog not there!
[07:14] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: It does not come with geda in Ubuntu I guess
[07:16] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: it does in Debian?
[07:16] <tuxmaniac> I dunno.. But iverilog should be ownlaoded seperately
[07:16] <tuxmaniac> the package name is verilog
[07:16] <tuxmaniac> it is one of the best well know verilog compiler, synthesiser
[07:17] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Am adding it on the wiki
[07:24] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock: Got the mail? Of my change in the wiki!!! :)
[07:24] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: yep
[07:38] <pianoboy3333> Can someone here help me with packaging a python module (pynotify)? I have used dh_make and (I believe) put the correct files into the debian folder, but dpkg-buildpkg fails.
[07:41] <tuxmaniac> pianoboy3333: what is it say?
[07:42] <pianoboy3333> tuxmaniac: ok, lemme get the output, hold on
[07:44] <tuxmaniac> pianoboy3333: pastebin the output
[07:44] <pianoboy3333> tuxmaniac: should I build it with `dpkg-buildpkg -rfakeroot' ?
[07:45] <tuxmaniac> I guess so!
[07:46] <tuxmaniac> why dont you use debuild?
[07:46] <tuxmaniac> pianoboy3333: ^^^
[07:46] <pianoboy3333> tuxmaniac: how?
[07:47] <pianoboy3333> I was using http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html as a guide, and it said to use dpkg-buildpackage
[07:47] <tuxmaniac> It starts with dpkg-buildpkg and ends with debsign.. No hassles
[07:48] <pianoboy3333> just run `dbuild' ?
[07:48] <pianoboy3333> sorry
[07:48] <pianoboy3333> debuild
[07:49] <tuxmaniac> pianoboy3333: run debuild from the inside source directory... That is from parent directory of debian
[07:51] <pianoboy3333> tuxmaniac: failed: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14344
[07:56] <tuxmaniac> seems like a build error.. Am not very experienced! bddebian or someone help pianoboy3333 ?
[07:57] <pianoboy3333> It's weird though, I currently have it installed on my system with checkinstall
[07:57] <tuxmaniac> No I guess you have not specified some build-dependency.. Its not finding a dep IMO
[07:58] <pianoboy3333> a dep?
[08:01] <tuxmaniac> pianoboy3333: I am sure.. Its some dependency problem.. Its giving errors in pynotify.c
[08:02] <pianoboy3333> Ah, I think something isn't configured correctly, becuase I can build it with checkinstall. Would you like what I have so far? I can zip the whole build directory and chuck it onto my server.
[08:03] <bddebian> It's a ton of undefined references
[08:04] <bddebian> Either your are missing something or..
[08:05] <bddebian> Here is the first error:
[08:05] <bddebian> .libs/pynotifymodule.o: In function `init_pynotify':/home/alex/Desktop/tobuild-pynotify/notify-python-0.1.0/src/pynotifymodule.c:13: undefined reference to `PyImport_ImportModule'
[08:07] <pianoboy3333> bddebian: right...?
[08:08] <bddebian> So is that an error in your program or are you not finding another python module that you are expecting?
[08:08] <pianoboy3333> bddebian: tuxmaniac: the directory I'm working with can be found at http://piano.juicemedia.tv/tobuild-pynotify.tar.bz2
[08:11] <tuxmaniac> seems like this pybliographer bug is taking things really down and deep
[08:14] <pianoboy3333> hmmmm
[08:16] <tuxmaniac> bug #38708
[08:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38708 in pybliographer "[Dapper]  Pybliographer doesn't seem to work with UTF-8" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38708
[08:16] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: ^^^ First the debian unstable repos has 1.2.8 pybliographer
[08:17] <tuxmaniac> and that needs python-bibtex 1.2.2 but Ubuntu has 1.2.1 :)
[08:17] <tuxmaniac> pybliographer in dapper is 1.2.6
[08:17] <pianoboy3333> I'm using dapper :)
[08:17] <pianoboy3333> So download and install the package pybliographer?
[08:18] <tuxmaniac> yes..
[08:18] <tuxmaniac> pianoboy3333: just do a apt-get install pybliographer
[08:18] <pianoboy3333> yep
[08:34] <pianoboy3333> tuxmaniac: still failed...
[08:34] <tuxmaniac> pianoboy3333: what do you mean by still failed?
[08:35] <pianoboy3333> tuxmaniac: install pybliograhper and retry?
[08:36] <tuxmaniac> Ok.. By any chance did you think insalling pybliograper will solve your problem?
[08:36] <tuxmaniac> :D
[08:36] <pianoboy3333> no...
[08:36] <pianoboy3333> Ok, I have to run out I'll be back later.
[09:07] <nictuku> what is the relation of python-codespeak-lib and python-pylib ?
[09:09] <nictuku> bug #45787
[09:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45787 in pylib "Package fails to install in dapper" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45787
[09:10] <tuxmaniac> Hey guys.. Suppose a package A depends on B and B 's old version is only there in Dapper..
[09:10] <tuxmaniac> I use pbuilder to check package B and then try to build and see package A..
[09:11] <tuxmaniac> How do i maintain package B still in the build environment
[09:11] <tuxmaniac> ?
[09:11] <tuxmaniac> :)
[09:11] <tuxmaniac> Ok.. forget it
[10:36] <TheBratchet> Hello. I just set up ubuntu on a new machine today. I am not totally new to linux, moderate experience over several years.
[10:36] <TheBratchet> I found that the version of Firefox I installed is (IMO) horribly out of date.
[10:37] <TheBratchet> On the basis of "scratching nyour own itches", I would like to do something about htis.
[10:37] <mynimal> Have you tried Synaptic?
[10:37] <Mithrandir> TheBratchet: you probably installed 5.10 which ships with firefox 1.0.  6.06 ships with 1.5.0.3.
[10:38] <TheBratchet> Yes, I did. Is there an easy way to step up to 6.0.6? I just doenloaded the iso image from ubuntu.com.
[10:39] <mynimal> gksudo "update-manager -d"
[10:41] <TheBratchet> In progress.
[10:42] <TheBratchet> But I still woukd like to find some way of contributing, and ISTM that packaging might be a good palce to start?
[10:43] <Mithrandir> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU is a good starting point
[10:44] <TheBratchet> OK - I'll search deeper. I've looked there, but I didn't find a good handle on how easy/difficult it was to get started.
[11:18] <Brujah> Hy everybody!
[11:18] <Brujah> Is there a chance that I get a program of mine that you need a commercial compiler for in the universe archive of ubuntu?
[11:19] <crimsun> no.
[11:19] <crimsun> everything in universe must be compilable with a compiler in universe or main
[11:19] <crimsun> it's possible to get it into multiverse, however.
[11:20] <Brujah> Damn. My game is written in purebasic which is closed source
[11:20] <Brujah> Okay where so i have to aks for that?
[11:20] <crimsun> err, closed source? that's even more difficult.
[11:21] <Brujah> www.purebasic.com
[11:21] <Brujah> My game is here:
[11:21] <Brujah> www.lostlabyrinth.com
[11:22] <Brujah> Its opensource but I wrote it in a commercial compiler
[11:22] <crimsun> does it compile with gcc/g++ at all?
[11:23] <Mithrandir> purebasic is a completely different language, iirc
[11:23] <crimsun> err
[11:23] <crimsun> yeah, duh
[11:23] <plugwash> on the subject of compilers how are self compiling compilers supposed to be introduced to universe
[11:23] <Brujah> Its a macroassembler and creates fasm code
[11:23] <crimsun> sorry, I completely missed the "basic" string
[11:23] <Mithrandir> plugwash: they're bootstrapped by hand, usually.
[11:24] <plugwash> yeah i remember lamont saying that but it never actually happened
[11:25] <Brujah> But in multiverse it is possible?
[11:26] <crimsun> it would face the same dilemma that azureus once faced
[11:26] <Brujah> means?
[11:27] <Brujah> Ah based on java?
[11:27] <crimsun> yeah, it wasn't in Ubuntu prior due to requiring a non-free Java
[11:28] <Brujah> I fear there will never be a free purebasic. But multiverse would be okay for me!
[11:28] <Brujah> Simply because its too small
[11:55] <pianoboy3333> tuxmaniac: I think I'm doing something wrong... I tried to debianize another program and it failed with similar errors
[11:59] <bddebian> pianoboy3333: Have you read any of the wiki pages, or better yet, the Debian New Maintainers guide?
[11:59] <pianoboy3333> bddebian: I have been reading the Debian New... guide
[12:00] <bddebian> OK, great
[12:00] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: what kind of problems are you talking about?
[12:02] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: let me get an output, hold on