[12:56] <mhz> hi all
[01:03] <Burgundavia> salut mhz 
[01:10] <mhz> Burgundavia: salut
[01:12] <mhz> just this chalkboard wallpaper is a little 'hmmm, how should i put it...hmmm, errr, hmm"
[01:12] <mhz> on the other hand, Tango and red Clearlooks is pretty cool
[01:20] <HedgeMage> hi mhz, Burgundavia 
[01:21] <mhz> hi HedgeMage 
[01:21] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[01:22] <Burgundavia> not much
[02:00] <mhz> .oO(hmm, default Edubuntu desktop is still to heavy for my machines...:(  )
[02:01] <Burgundavia> highvoltage is planning on using xubuntu in his tuxlab projects
[02:01] <mhz_restartingX> Burgundavia: tuxlab?
[02:01] <mhz_restartingX> oh, yeah
[02:01] <mhz_restartingX> sorry
[02:01] <mhz_restartingX> I thought you were part of tuxlab :)
[02:10] <mhz> yeah, xfce seems to be user firendly enough as a replacement for GNOME
[02:10] <mhz> but still not very light enough
[02:18] <mhz> .oO(wow! fluxbox is definately really fast
[02:27] <Amaranth> It's easy to be fast when you don't do anything.
[02:35] <mhz> Amaranth: what you mean?
[02:36] <Amaranth> mhz: Fluxbox is fast but doesn't do as much
[02:36] <Amaranth> of course i'm comparing a window manager to a full desktop environment
[02:36] <mhz> oh, sure. That's the idea. Use resources only when needed
[03:38] <mhz> I have set xubuntu to run as similar as possible to GNOME edubuntu defaults
[03:39] <mhz> Could we set an option for Edubuntu school admins so that if they need lighter desktop they can choose something like edubuntu-xfce-environment  ?
[03:39] <mhz> and this will donwload xubuntu for them but with edubuntu defaults
[03:41] <crimsun> everyone's still on holiday
[03:43] <mhz> oh, yeah
[03:46] <ncaller> I am a kubuntu/dapper user who is very interested in deploying edubuntu in an LTSP environment for a small private school.  Is this currently possible, I will also say that I am in the process now of reading your faqs / wiki so it may be covered in there in which case I will find it as I read it
[03:48] <mhz> ncaller, hi there
[03:49] <HedgeMage> hi ncaller 
[03:49] <mhz> hehehe, indeed
[03:49] <ncaller> howdy what's happening
[03:49] <mhz> ncaller: yup, absolutely possible, I'd say.
[03:49] <ncaller> is anyone doing it that you know of?
[03:49] <HedgeMage> LTSP is a very common setup for edubuntu, so common that it's right in our installer :)
[03:49] <ncaller> aha
[03:49] <ncaller> excellent
[03:49] <mhz> ncaller: Edubuntu is aimed to work out-of-the-box
[03:50] <HedgeMage> (I haven't played with it much here, but others have)
[03:50] <ncaller> well I will be downloading and testing it shortly
[03:50] <ncaller> one question I think will be interesting to answer is if a lot of preowned educational software packages (commercial) will run under wine/dosemu/winex whatever
[03:50] <mhz> That is, it will provide you with LTSP + Ubuntu + tons of Edu apps + wallpapers for Edubuntu purposes (diff ages end-users) + 
[03:50] <ncaller> awesome
[03:51] <mhz> community support
[03:51] <mhz> Regarding, non-GPL'ed apps... well, no idea
[03:51] <ncaller> I was working with someone last summer on his K12/LTSP setup using CentOS, but I have to say that a debian/ubuntu based distro for school'ing is very nice especially from a management point of view
[03:51] <mhz> But if Kubuntu lets you run on Wine/whatever
[03:51] <mhz> then, sure
[03:52] <mhz> I am not sure about the performance of Wine or similar apps. under LTSP environment
[03:52] <ncaller> what is the edubuntu status of working with SMBLDAP for integrating with Windows Domains?
[03:52] <ncaller> yes neither am I
[03:52] <mhz> However, as the load of work is for the server to take, if your server is powerful enough, then sure.
[03:53] <HedgeMage> sorry to run, but TT needs me :)
[03:53] <HedgeMage> bbl
[03:53] <mhz> HedgeMage: bye
[03:53] <HedgeMage> hope to see you in here often, ncaller 
[03:53] <HedgeMage> :)
[03:53] <ncaller> fortunately the school I'll be implementing this for currently has no computer resources so there is not really an issue to integrate with old windows software I was just curious
[03:53] <ncaller> yes will do
[03:53] <ncaller> later
[03:54] <mhz> ncaller: I once participated in the setting of Ubuntu (hoary!) with LDAP. I have not done it with SAMBA but I guess it will work
[03:54] <mhz> ncaller: LTSP is a great resource esp. for schools with old hardware
[03:54] <ncaller> when we did it on CentOS last year it was a nightmare, CentOS is a redhat-logo-name-removed redhat enterprise spinoff which you probably knew
[03:54] <ncaller> yes
[03:55] <mhz> They still get new versions of edu apps (linux ones)
[03:55] <ncaller> right
[03:56] <ncaller> the setup's I have seen have all used old PC's usually with pizzabox style cases for the terminals with their cd's and harddrive's removed, basically bought as cheap as possible.  But I have seen a limited amount of the LTSP terminals deployed
[03:56] <mhz> so far, I have tested Edubuntu (since Breezy) in about 3 diff environments (old hardware) and it has always worked just perfectly
[03:56] <ncaller> they are a bit pricy compared to what you can get an old PC for at the moment though
[03:56] <ncaller> though they look nice
[03:56] <mhz> yup, indeed
[03:57] <ncaller> would be great if you could get an LTSP term for even $100
[03:57] <mhz> In my last edubuntu install (1 server + 6 worksations) we set BIOS to boot via PXE 1st. And if teacher needs better performance (let's say TuxMath or other games), then all stations have edubuntu-worksations install
[03:58] <mhz> well, AFAIK, there's a case of success in Mexico
[03:58] <mhz> let me get you the URL
[03:58] <ncaller> thanks
[03:58] <mhz> they did get it very cheap
[03:58] <mhz> :)
[03:59] <ncaller> the place I worked at last summer had a lab of I think 60-70 term's running K12LTSP/CentOS, plus every other computer on the network in the school (about 300) dual booted 98 or XP / and linux
[03:59] <ncaller> they had 4 existing Term servers, plus we built one more
[03:59] <mhz> ncaller: http://manueldublan.org/computerlab/
[04:00] <mhz> ncaller: all happy users?
[04:00] <ncaller> yes
[04:00] <mhz> ncaller: all happy admins?
[04:00] <ncaller> only one tech admin, and yes
[04:00] <mhz> .oO(that must have been a nice experience to see)
[04:00] <ncaller> the school administration loves the fact that the cost is very cheap
[04:01] <ncaller> brb
[04:01] <mhz> yeah, schools should focus not on investing so much on computers but more on level of education and diff alternatives for students
[04:03] <mhz> Amaranth: xubuntu for edubuntu, is so far less expensive on same hardware and same apps. running at same time
[04:03] <mhz> (we'll see in next hours)
[04:12] <ulinskie> good morning
[04:30] <ajayc> Amaranth, hi
[04:31] <Amaranth> err, hi
[04:31] <ajayc> Amaranth, u indian?
[04:31] <Amaranth> nope
[04:31] <ajayc> ahh ok
[04:31] <Amaranth> although i'm told my nick means "forever ranting" in hindi
[04:33] <Amaranth> i think i've been lied to
[04:33] <ncaller> that link story was good, I'll keep it in my ammo bin
[04:35] <ulinskie> hi adhoc, Amaranth
[04:40] <mhz> guys, anyone has had trouble editing Grub menu.lst ?
[04:40] <ajayc> no
[04:40] <ajayc> :P
[04:40] <mhz> I edit it and tell it to read /dev/hda2, save it, update-grub, reopen it and still says /dev/hdc2 instead :(
[04:41] <ajayc> why update-grub?
[04:41] <ajayc> just edit and save
[04:41] <ajayc> rest it will do itself
[04:41] <ajayc> just edit and save
[04:43] <mhz> ooh
[04:44] <ajayc> nope mhz
[04:45] <mhz> ajayc: okis, thx a lot for that important clarification
[04:45] <mhz> for a moment I thought I was crazy
[04:45] <ajayc> lol
[04:45] <ajayc> np
[04:45] <mhz> :D
[04:46] <ajayc> btw u can come and hangout at #worlddomination
[04:48] <mhz> ajayc: heheh, and what is that for?
[04:48] <mhz> via Linux
[04:49] <mhz> or something regarding "Kill Bill" (gates) distro
[04:49] <ajayc> nope
[04:49] <ajayc> well it was my channek for mydsitro
[04:49] <mhz> your distro?
[04:49] <ajayc> which i dropped cos i wasalone and it was gettin difficult
[04:49] <mhz> yeah, that happens
[04:49] <ajayc> btw it was gentoo based
[04:49] <mhz> but dont worry "we are not alone"
[04:50] <ajayc> but i got many friends there
[04:50] <ajayc> nice place
[04:50] <ajayc> if u ever want buddies come to #worlddomination ;)
[04:50] <mhz> it's incredible how Gentoo can make people either just hate it or love it, no in-between-feelings
[04:50] <mhz> thx
[04:51] <ajayc> yup true
[04:51] <ajayc> u coming now?
[04:51] <ajayc> or later?
[04:51] <mhz> okis
[04:53] <Laser_away> Gentoo is great, I just think Ubuntu is greater :-)
[04:53] <ajayc> depends
[04:53] <ajayc> :P
[04:54] <mhz> Laser_away: hehehehe
[04:54] <mhz> you are away
[04:54] <mhz> oh, not fair!
[04:55] <ajayc> lol
[04:55] <mhz> LaserJock: I was with mdke in #moin yesterday. We were told Ubuntu = the distro you get when you can't install Debian
[04:55] <mhz> :D
[04:56] <LaserJock> doh
[04:56] <mhz> of course, it was a joke from the person who said it
[04:56] <LaserJock> Ubuntu = the distro when you want Debian to work and look nice ;-)
[04:56] <mhz> LOL
[04:56] <ajayc> gentoo= the distro that WORKS :D
[04:56] <mhz> rofl!!!
[04:56] <ajayc> puppy: NO BLOAT JUST LINUX
[04:56] <LaserJock> ajayc: if it compiles ;-)
[04:57] <ajayc> if it gotta work it gotta compile :P
[04:57] <LaserJock> ajayc: it was a whole lot more bloated then Ubuntu for me
[04:57] <ajayc> gentoo>
[04:57] <LaserJock> but it really depends
[04:57] <ajayc> yup it does ubuntu is not beautiful though BROWN eww
[04:57] <LaserJock> so far I really haven't had a time where Gentoo worked better for me than Ubuntu, but it is my second choice for sure
[04:58] <ajayc> sometimes look like ahem ... shit
[04:58] <ajayc> :P
[04:58] <ajayc> :D
[04:58] <LaserJock> ajayc: the brown is cool, I like it
[04:58] <ajayc> i like it now
[04:58] <LaserJock> but I change it if I want to
[04:58] <ajayc> its shiny now
[04:58] <LaserJock> yeah, Dapper colors look better to me than Breezy
[04:59] <mhz> indeed
[04:59] <ajayc> btw come to other channel LaserJock ask mhz i gotta leave cya
[04:59] <LaserJock> other channel?
[04:59] <mhz> LaserJock: any idea if ESA is ready to be used?
[04:59] <LaserJock> mhz: I think cbx33 is putting in screenshots tomorrow and finalizing
[05:00] <mhz> oh, so text is good to use then?
[05:00] <mhz> to be used
[05:00] <ajayc> #worlddomination
[05:00] <LaserJock> the Applications section is still a little in flux
[05:00] <ajayc> :D
[08:29] <ch1p> hello
[08:29] <ch1p> hey
[08:30] <ch1p> anyone here
[01:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: ping
[01:42] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm /pm'ing you the link to that theme
[01:48] <cbx33> Excellent
[01:48] <cbx33> thanks highvoltage 
[01:51] <cbx33> I'll try to ghet that sorted out later on today
[01:51] <cbx33> got loads to do today
[02:13] <cbx33> I think I found a bug in Keduca
[03:07] <pygi> hey all
[03:41] <cbx33> bb in about 2 hours
[04:38] <rocks> how do you conncet a usb web cam
[04:39] <highvoltage> via a usb port, i would presume :)
[04:56] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: so, next month we meet :)
[04:56] <jsgotangco> wiigiiii
[04:56] <jsgotangco> err
[04:56] <jsgotangco> wohoooo
[04:56] <highvoltage> :)
[04:57] <jsgotangco> yeah should be fun
[04:57] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:57] <jsgotangco> wii!!!
[04:57] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:57] <highvoltage> hehe
[04:57] <jsgotangco> although i'll be flying for 15 hours to get to paris
[04:58] <highvoltage> i think it'll be about 10 hours for me
[04:58] <jsgotangco> whoa
[04:58] <jsgotangco> africa is pretty big anyway
[04:58] <highvoltage> and probably 2 hours for ogra :)
[04:58] <highvoltage> yeah, and i live on the tip right at the bottom
[04:58] <jsgotangco> but you wont be adjusting to the timezone he
[04:59] <highvoltage> paris is an hour behind my timezone, but yeah, no adjusting should be necassary
[04:59] <jsgotangco> heh im 6 hours ahead
[05:00] <highvoltage> i bought a book/cd on how to speak french, listening to it while i drive. i'm not sure how much engrish they speak there
[05:00] <jsgotangco> maybe i should do that too
[05:00] <jsgotangco> actually i still need to get a shengen visa
[05:01] <cbx33> hi jsgotangco 
[05:01] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[05:01] <jsgotangco> hey
[05:01] <cbx33> just about to look at that css
[05:02] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 
[05:16] <phos> what browser does edubuntu ship with?
[05:17] <crimsun> as in Web browser? -desktop depends on firefox
[05:17] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: did you take the exam?
[05:17] <jsgotangco> phos: firefox
[05:18] <phos> has it been suggested to create a kiosk version
[05:18] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep
[05:18] <jsgotangco> phos: not yet
[05:18] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: how was it?
[05:19] <highvoltage> it was okay
[05:19] <highvoltage> i had some gripes with it, but they had a session afterwards where we could give feedback
[05:19] <jsgotangco> what was it like? desktop focused?
[05:19] <highvoltage> LPI is great like that, they continually improve their exams
[05:20] <phos> i think it would be nice to see something like that
[05:20] <jsgotangco> phos: kiosk mode on what? just firefox?
[05:20] <jsgotangco> you can do that with pessulus
[05:21] <phos> yeah?
[05:21] <cbx33> highvoltage, you took LPIC ?
[05:21] <phos> i must take a look at that
[05:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: problem is, you have to sign a form at the exam where you promise not to discuss the contents of the test :/
[05:21] <jsgotangco> cbx33: no he took the Ubuntu exam
[05:21] <jsgotangco> mehhhh
[05:21] <cbx33> oooooh
[05:21] <jsgotangco> cbx33: jo'burg was the first to give an exam during linuxworld
[05:21] <highvoltage> this is the test objectives though: http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/certification/pro
[05:22] <jsgotangco> phos: there's also sabayon but it is focused on profiles, pessulus is more on locking down gnome itself
[05:22] <cbx33> oooh
[05:23] <phos> yeah, i imagined something along the lines of a restricted profile
[05:23] <jsgotangco> phos: yeah you should look into pessulus then
[05:23] <phos> i will do
[05:23] <cbx33> hehe
[05:23] <jsgotangco> phos: hopefully, the next relesae for edubuntu will be shiny with such features
[05:23] <cbx33> well i do better in coursework
[05:25] <jsgotangco> grr opera still doesn't play nice on gdebi
[05:26] <highvoltage> cbx33: could you figure anything out on that theme? i didn't expect it to be easy. what are you planning on doing?
[05:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: updating it to 4.7.0, a re-write, or apply it to another theme?
[05:27] <cbx33> highvoltage, just looking at it now
[05:30] <cbx33> highvoltage, you know this doc move on the wiki
[05:31] <cbx33> wyhat's that gonna mean for people who aren't memebrs of the doc team, but need to update their documents?
[05:33] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm not sure, i'm not 100% updated on the doc 'move'
[05:33] <highvoltage> cbx33: who's moving what at the moment?
[05:33] <cbx33> I'm not sure
[05:34] <cbx33> it's gonna play havoc with my UbuntuLTSP idea though
[05:34] <cbx33> in that case I'd need to become a member of the doc team, 
[05:34] <cbx33> are we having a seperate edubuntu doc team?
[05:34] <highvoltage> cbx33: i don't think you need to worry about that too much though
[05:35] <highvoltage> cbx33: edubuntu-doc has been kind of seperate
[05:35] <cbx33> highvoltage, could you pm me that link again?
[05:35] <highvoltage> cbx33: but i think it would be ideal to have both working together
[05:35] <highvoltage> sure
[05:35] <cbx33> yeh, but ogra was keen on me making the LTSP stuff ubutu generic, which I have been trying to do
[05:35] <cbx33> sorry, I'm on another computer now :p
[05:35] <cbx33> have my drupal system all setup
[05:35] <highvoltage> sent
[05:36] <highvoltage> i think you should continue doing that
[05:36] <highvoltage> if and when any move takes place, it would be better if everything is organised to start off with.
[05:37] <cbx33> yes
[05:37] <highvoltage> i think what corey suggested (it was late when i read the conversation), is that we have a page similar to http://doc.ubuntu.com
[05:37] <cbx33> well I'm trying :p
[05:38] <jsgotangco> in drupal?
[05:38] <jsgotangco> its not really complicated in drupal
[05:38] <jsgotangco> the trick is how to make it look not like drupal heh
[05:38] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: exactly ;)
[05:39] <jsgotangco> hmmm java
[05:39] <cbx33> jsgotangco, no, I'm trying to pul all the LTSP stuff together
[05:39] <jsgotangco> cbx33: good luck if you're using moin
[05:40] <cbx33> heheh
[05:40] <cbx33> I am
[05:40] <cbx33> highvoltage, do you know where the current theme setting is set?
[05:40] <cbx33> so i can change it when it breaks :p
[05:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: sff breaks drupal so badly, that you can't even change back
[05:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: (not from within drupal anyway)
[05:41] <cbx33> yeh
[05:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: so ln -s is your friend :)
[05:41] <cbx33> hehe
[05:41] <highvoltage> mv edubuntu to something like edubuntu-bak
[05:41] <highvoltage> then ln -s one of the other themes to edubuntu
[05:41] <cbx33> ok I was looking through the mysql database
[05:45] <cbx33> highvoltage, how does it break on the server?
[05:45] <cbx33> just goes blank doesn't it?
[05:46] <cbx33> highvoltage, you're not at work now are you?
[05:46] <jsgotangco> its sunday
[05:46] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:46] <cbx33> he popped in this morning
[05:46] <cbx33> didn't know if he'd gone home yet
[05:47] <cbx33> jsgotangco, if i wanted to include images in a docbook
[05:47] <cbx33> can i have them sit next to one another like in tables?
[05:47] <jsgotangco> no
[05:47] <cbx33> thought not
[05:48] <cbx33> hmm.....
[05:48] <jsgotangco> docbook is not meant to format
[05:48] <cbx33> no i know
[05:48] <jsgotangco> it just shows the data
[05:48] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes, just goes blank
[05:48] <cbx33> highvoltage, must be something up with your specific setup
[05:48] <highvoltage> cbx33: no, it's too cold outside, so i'm at home :)
[05:48] <cbx33> as it works here
[05:48] <cbx33> I was goign to sk for a zip of the drupal folder
[05:48] <highvoltage> cbx33: does the edubuntu theme work with your version of drupal?
[05:49] <cbx33> and the database :p
[05:49] <highvoltage> cbx33: what version of drupal are you using?
[05:49] <cbx33> yes ... to an extent
[05:49] <cbx33> there are some css issues to resolve but it definitely doesnt break
[05:50] <highvoltage> interesting. since they warn you that what happens to me would definitely happen on drupal 4.7.0+
[05:50] <cbx33> highvoltage, tbh i think it's a php warning
[05:50] <highvoltage> what version of drupal are you using, cbx33?
[05:50] <cbx33> 4.7
[05:51] <cbx33> 4.7.0
[05:51] <cbx33> to be exact
[05:51] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: do you have any idea if what we will be having in shipit is the text install or workstaion live?
[05:51] <cbx33> text install...iirc
[05:52] <jsgotangco> cool its only right to give 5 max then
[05:52] <jsgotangco> hmm i hope we can have some in paris
[05:52] <cbx33> heheh
[05:52] <highvoltage> i think it's the text install too, but you'll have to wait for a response from ogra to know for sure
[05:55] <cbx33> am i right in thinking tuxtype has been removed from edbutu?
[05:56] <cbx33> highvoltage, how do you want me to proceed with the css edubutnu issue ?
[05:56] <cbx33> i think it may be due to the directory structure 
[05:57] <cbx33> for example there is an admin folder on your system, but there is not in 4.7
[05:57] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i dont have it either now
[05:57] <cbx33> one less screenshot to do
[05:58] <jsgotangco> cbx33: well you have to know why its not there anymore
[05:59] <cbx33> true, i remember someone saying it had been removed before, vaguely, might have been ogra
[05:59] <cbx33> but i have no way of checking now, and the ESA deadline is supposed to be today
[06:00] <jsgotangco> its only 1 line :)
[06:00] <cbx33> true
[06:00] <cbx33> but
[06:00] <cbx33> think i shoujld remove it or wait?
[06:00] <jsgotangco> comment it heh
[06:00] <cbx33> hehe
[06:01] <cbx33> how do you comment in docbook :p
[06:01] <jsgotangco> just like how you comment html
[06:01] <cbx33> ok
[06:02] <jsgotangco> nice the java 5 debs work well
[06:03] <cbx33> jsgotangco, how do you suggest handling the screenshots in the ESA?
[06:03] <jsgotangco> have you seen the TakingScreenshots wiki?
[06:03] <cbx33> yes
[06:03] <cbx33> and i have followed that to get my screnshots
[06:04] <jsgotangco> that shold  be enough but if you find it big, just resize them
[06:04] <jsgotangco> because you're discussing a whole application
[06:04] <cbx33> ok
[06:04] <cbx33> I have 5.3Mb worth of png
[06:04] <jsgotangco> if you were discussing a feature of an application, you would focus on the feature instaed of showng the whole image
[06:04] <cbx33> i'm gonna run pngcrush on them now
[06:04] <cbx33> jsgotangco, true
[06:05] <Yagisan> G'day all
[06:05] <cbx33> hi Yagisan 
[06:05] <highvoltage> hey Yagisan 
[06:06] <cbx33> highvoltage, so, where do we go from here with the css..
[06:06] <cbx33> think we need to create from scratch?
[06:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: well, it works on your side, doesn't it?
[06:06] <cbx33> yes
[06:07] <highvoltage> cbx33: you mentioned some minor issues, what were they? can you put up some screenshots somewhere and send me the link?
[06:07] <cbx33> but as i said earlier
[06:07] <cbx33> sure
[06:07] <highvoltage> cbx33: i can then check tomorrow morning what that looks like
[06:07] <cbx33> but i think our installations are different
[06:07] <highvoltage> cbx33: otherwise we start with another theme end edubuntufy that
[06:07] <cbx33> i think your problem is a php problem
[06:08] <cbx33> that's why it results in a blank page
[06:10] <cbx33> i still think it'll break in your installation
[06:12] <highvoltage> unfortunately we can't play around on this server, it's a canonical server where lots of other ubuntu pages are served from as well. so if we change php settings, we might break some of the other sites :/
[06:13] <jsgotangco> yeahhh!!!!
[06:13] <cbx33> yes,
[06:13] <cbx33> probably the problem was it was "upgraded" as opposed to installed from scratch
[06:14] <highvoltage> the server, or drupal?
[06:14] <cbx33> drupal
[06:14] <highvoltage> drupal was installed in pretty much the same way you did it
[06:14] <cbx33> what from scratch?
[06:14] <cbx33> oh
[06:14] <highvoltage> the old copy was moved away, and then a new drupal installation was installed, with the old ones db
[06:14] <cbx33> hmm.....then what could possibly be the problem
[06:15] <cbx33> ahh
[06:15] <cbx33> ok
[06:15] <highvoltage> heh, #drupal and #drupal-themes say it's definately the sff theme :/
[06:15] <cbx33> is it possible to copy the new one,
[06:15] <cbx33> yeh?
[06:15] <highvoltage> perhaps you should send them a screenshot with your working copy :)
[06:15] <cbx33> ok
[06:17] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/screenie.png
[06:17] <cbx33> but remember that was with a fresh database
[06:18] <phos> sff?
[06:19] <cbx33> but it does work
[06:24] <cbx33> heheh
[06:24] <cbx33> Bill has been linked to the Dark Prince :p
[06:25] <Yagisan> cbx33: I thought he *was* the Dark Prince
[06:25] <cbx33> :p
[06:27] <Yagisan> cbx33: I recall having you listed as a tester for doomsday, yet I've not heard a peep from you
[06:27] <cbx33> Yagisan, true, I've been so busy with ESA and other ubu stuff, I havn't had a chance yet
[06:27] <cbx33> I have a while today to do stuff so, I'll try my best to do it today
[06:28] <cbx33> I think I'll nee 
[06:28] <cbx33> d a little help
[06:28] <Yagisan> cbx33: no worries
[06:29] <cbx33> highvoltage, did you see that imafge?
[06:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: probably not, lost my connection there for a while
[06:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: btw, i can get it to display a page with that theme, but there's no menu to the right
[06:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: do you see the menu's at the right as well?
[06:31] <cbx33> highvoltage, no
[06:31] <cbx33> ah ok
[06:32] <cbx33> looks like a redo of the theme may be the only solution
[06:32] <highvoltage> yep
[06:32] <cbx33> crushed png's mean only 2.5 Mb of images now
[07:03] <highvoltage> ouch
[07:04] <spacey> god the wiki is slow
[07:04] <Yagisan> yep. It would help if I had access to a Mac too. I hope Darwin is close enough
[07:04] <spacey> Yagisan: what kind of system? :)
[07:05] <Yagisan> spacey: build system. 1 project, 3 different ways to build it, none in sync
[07:05] <ompaul> Yagisan, cos you have (a) python (b) see (a)
[07:05] <spacey> ah
[07:06] <spacey> sounds like a pain in the ass
[07:06] <Yagisan> it is, but it should be worth it in the end
[07:08] <Yagisan> ompaul: I already started on autotools. I figure if I'm going to torture myself with WIn/Mac, I may as well add DOS for shits and giggles
[07:10] <Yagisan> ompaul: it would be amusing actually. Making a DOS port would return the project to it's roots.
[07:10] <ompaul> a freedos port I could understand but dos ....
[07:12] <cbx33> brb
[07:18] <Yagisan> ompaul: I do have a copy of OS/2 around somewhere. That's a challenge waiting to happen. Step 1, find something it installs in (if that is still possible).
[09:46] <cbx33> hey Burgundavia 
[09:46] <cbx33> I've been working on some images for ESA
[09:46] <cbx33> could I run them by you if you have a second
[09:47] <Burgundavia> cool
[09:47] <Burgundavia> sure
[09:53] <Yagisan> hmm, the darwin installer makes the old debian installer seem very user friendly
[09:53] <cbx33> ok hang onI'll tar them
[09:55] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/schooladvo.tar.gz
[09:56] <Burgundavia> cbx33, looks good. I am a little concerned about the length of the OO ones
[09:59] <cbx33> think it's too long?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:02] <cbx33> think we shuld skip an app?
[10:02] <cbx33> looks ok in yelp
[10:02] <cbx33> just outta interest
[10:03] <Burgundavia> sure
[10:03] <Burgundavia> the screenshots only show an idea, they are not to be studied that closely
[10:03] <cbx33> true
[10:03] <cbx33> ok
[10:03] <cbx33> i was hoping they'd be links to BIGGER versions
[10:03] <cbx33> on the wiki at least
[10:04] <Burgundavia> this doc is not ideally designed to be on the web
[10:04] <cbx33> no I know
[10:04] <cbx33> drupal?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> we can adapt its contents to the edubuntu website, but I think it is better as a handout
[10:04] <cbx33> oh sure
[10:05] <cbx33> we could always make a link to the pdf
[10:05] <cbx33> I chatted to mdke about the rosetta idea yesterday, hope you don;t mind
[10:05] <cbx33> he said probably the best way would be to make it a product
[10:06] <cbx33> I was thinking about lulu for printing it? what do you think?
[10:06] <cbx33> getting a few done to see how they look
[10:11] <Yagisan> argh, I can see the sun rising
[10:11] <Burgundavia> it is too small to have lulu print it
[10:12] <Burgundavia> if this is a product guide, you can probably get it printed locally for cheaper
[10:14] <CuriousG> What's the proper way of getting Edubuntu to work with two NICs?
[10:15] <Burgundavia> what do you want to do?
[10:16] <CuriousG> I'd like to keep the LTSP traffic onto one NIC and the other NIC access Internet
[10:17] <Burgundavia> if you bind the dhcp server to one, you are good
[10:17] <CuriousG> I think by default it uses eth0 for the DHCP server
[10:19] <CuriousG> Seem to have problems booting thin clients too.
[10:19] <CuriousG> One time I got out of range on LCD
[10:19] <CuriousG> Other times it came up but had no mouse
[10:19] <Burgundavia> hmm, I am not the person to ask about that
[10:19] <Burgundavia> I have actually never installed Edubuntu
[10:20] <CuriousG> keyboard worked but entered in user and password and it came back to the login prompt again
[10:20] <Burgundavia> A record I am quite proud of
[10:20] <CuriousG> heh, funny that you're in this channel then
[10:20] <CuriousG> Took a while to figure out that the Desktop version isn't what you want if you want thin clients
[10:20] <cbx33> Burgundavia, lulu will print brochures
[10:20] <Burgundavia> don't get me wrong, I use Ubuntu everywhere. I have just never played with edubuntu
[10:21] <Burgundavia> cbx33, is it cheaper than you can locally?
[10:21] <CuriousG> I like how the desktop feel is in Ubuntu than Skolelinux but Skolelinux has been much more trouble free
[10:21] <Burgundavia> skolelinux is an older project
[10:22] <CuriousG> Sure it is older but they have a 2.0r0 out about 2 months ago
[10:22] <CuriousG> So it is fairly current
[10:22] <CuriousG> I don't want to download 5 or 6 CDs just to try out K12LTSP
[10:22] <Burgundavia> what I meant by older is that they have been around for longer
[10:23] <CuriousG> Wondering if they have daily builds
[10:23] <Burgundavia> edubuntu?
[10:24] <CuriousG> I know edubuntu does I just finished downloading it
[10:24] <CuriousG> skole
[10:24] <cbx33> Burgundavia, so if I edit that last image
[10:24] <cbx33> can you upload them to the images folder?
[10:25] <Burgundavia> yep, can do
[10:25] <cbx33> or find me svn access :p
[10:25] <CuriousG> I think they have rsync builds
[10:26] <Burgundavia> I wouldn't hold your breath until after dapper releases
[10:26] <cbx33> heheh
[10:26] <cbx33> I was kidding
[10:26] <Burgundavia> I think elmo is currently in mexico, holding yet another tattered network together with sheer sweat
[10:27] <CuriousG> that's less than 2wks unless they plan on retooling some other things
[10:27] <cbx33> hehe
[10:27] <Burgundavia> no, Ubuntu should release on time, pending nuclear warfare or the end of the world
[10:38] <Laser_away> I doubt even the end of the world would matter, I imagine elmo, mdz and Keybuck have escape pods with backup archives on some satellite ;-)
[10:39] <Burgundavia> indeed
[10:53] <cbx33> Laser_away, you there?
[10:55] <Laser_away> cbx33: no :(
[10:56] <Burgundavia> cbx33, anything I can help you with?
[10:57] <cbx33> was just gonna ask Laser_away if the images would tie in with his idea for the applications section
[10:57] <cbx33> Burgundavia, I've modified the xml to include the images
[10:57] <cbx33> if I tar the whole thing up can you add it to the repo?
[10:57] <Burgundavia> can you send me a patch and the images?
[10:57] <cbx33> ok will do
[11:03] <cbx33> i think we are missing one app
[11:03] <cbx33> and have one that isn't there anymore
[11:16] <cbx33> Burgundavia, that link to that tar shuld now contain a new archive with crushed png's and a diff
[11:18] <Burgundavia> ok, looking now
[11:18] <cbx33> cheers
[11:18] <cbx33> think we'll be ready for freeze tonight?
[11:18] <cbx33> :S
[11:19] <Burgundavia> if by tonight you mean UTC, I don't know
[11:19] <Burgundavia> if  by tonight you mean UTC-7, likely
[11:21] <cbx33> heheh
[11:21] <cbx33> well the original deadlin was 1hr 40 mins away
[11:25] <Burgundavia> done
[11:25] <cbx33> excellent
[11:28] <Burgundavia> we are lacking css for the html and xslt to make pdfs out of it
[11:29] <cbx33> Burgundavia, ok
[11:29] <cbx33> I've never done the xslt
[11:29] <cbx33> but I can look at it
[11:30] <cbx33> remeber that because it's gogn tbe a pamphlet
[11:30] <cbx33> we could always use the pamphlet as the pdf