[12:03] bddebian: imagin the user on a fresh kubuntu installation, he launches amarok -> functions are disabled for reasons he cannot understand [12:03] bddebian: then he launches k3b and is prompted something he doesn't even know is missing.... [12:03] what will the user think ??? "that sucks !!".... [12:04] and amarok/k3b are the most acclaimed kde softwares, not simple addons.... [12:05] bddebian: of course we cannot depend on "*" but I think those two softwares have to we 100% activated out of the box [12:07] s/we/be :) [12:07] pygi: hum... yes ^^ === Zerlinna [n=ircont9k@cpe-024-168-251-071.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poimen [n=poimen@206.248.107.159] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:28] Tonio_: Yeah [12:28] Tonio_: too late for dapper though === poimen [n=poimen@206.248.107.159] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zerlinna [n=ircont9k@cpe-024-168-251-071.sc.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [12:44] Riddell: I know, but I have to keep this for edgy :) [12:44] Riddell: there are still lots of things to do for usability :) [12:45] Tonio_: have you told canonical you're coming to the summit? [12:48] Riddell: I have too, but I cannot until my commpany doesn't confirm me they're okay for the vacations :) [12:48] Riddell: I should have the response on monday.... [12:49] Riddell: in any case I have filled the wiki page [12:51] Riddell: where to annouce it except on the wikipage ? [01:00] ah yes, wiki page should be fine === poimen [n=poimen@206.248.110.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-014-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poimen [n=poimen@206.248.110.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-014-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poimen [n=poimen@206.248.110.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-014-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai__ [n=marseill@AMarseille-256-1-31-122.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poimen [n=poimen@206.248.110.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:17] we have more people wanting to join :) [04:17] *points them tothe new member page* [04:21] speaking of which, what /is/ the page? :-) [04:31] hey Hobbsee crimsun [04:32] crimsun: at the moment? see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember and add yourself to the last link in the topic [04:32] it's being a pain, and not copying :P [04:32] hi robotgeek [04:34] Hobbsee: err, I thought there was a separate process for Kubuntu members [04:35] so it's the same membership process currently? [04:35] crimsun: well...afaik, and this is all new, we're running the same type of process, except that we on the kcc are deciding, rather than the cc === robotgeek has lost track, unfortunately [04:35] that's the impression i get, from what Riddell has said [04:36] crimsun: usually Riddell just approves them, but they decided to change that, and make kubuntu membership equal with ubuntu's, decided in the same way [04:37] not sure about the ubuntumembers team bit though... [04:37] Hobbsee: good, so my impression was not misguided. [04:38] I figured that the Kubuntu CC would approve new members in the same manner that the Ubuntu CC currently does. [04:39] crimsun: yes, that's what i understand to be the case [04:44] btw, I've fixed libvisual-plugins, so there are now spiffy plugins. === robotgeek looks [04:45] they probably won't be in the archive for another two hours thanks to publisher's schedule [04:46] nonetheless, when you click Tools> Visualisations in amarok 1.4, you'll be able to install them after reading the message [04:46] kk, i probably won't use them ever === mornfall|mx [n=mornfall@201.160.20.139.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:47] neither do I, but we're probably corner cases :-) [04:47] these little things add up for impressions [04:49] aaahhh Why the hell is scanpci in gatos?? [04:49] true [04:50] bddebian: what's the issue? [04:50] crimsun: Bug #43414 [04:50] Malone bug 43414 in gatos "Dependency error" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43414 [04:52] bddebian: add a diversion? [04:52] crimsun: How do I do that? [04:52] dpkg-divert(8) [04:54] crimsun: But should it even be in the package? [04:54] if it differs significantly and adds functionality, sure [04:55] if it simply duplicates what's in xserver-xorg-core, remove it before building the deb and note it in README.Debian [04:55] my hunch is the latter, but you'll want to double-check [04:56] According to some of the source files it's scanpci from Xfree86 3.3.3 [04:57] yeah, I'd clean it in debian/rules, then. [04:57] definitely make a note in README.Debian === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:58] gimme my nick back, hehe! [04:58] :P [04:59] crimsun: Just rm debian/gatos/usr/bin/scanpci in rules? [04:59] yeah, prior to binary*install [04:59] OK, thx [05:00] if you need an example, look at what's done with alsaconf in alsa-utils's debian/rules [05:00] crimsun: Great thx === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-010-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> zelazny.freenode.net === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@145.99.234.168] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poimen [n=poimen@206.248.110.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@81.26.52.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-215-175.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:50] moin [08:50] hi kwwii [08:51] hi Hobbsee [08:53] hey wow, kdesu is working again! === kameron [n=kameron@S0106000129f5b884.cc.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=marseill@AMarseille-256-1-31-122.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hiasll [n=hiasll@213-229-63-86.static.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh [n=shermann@unaffiliated/sh/x-000000002] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@bb220-255-165-215.singnet.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@83.131.228.28] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-215-175.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950AB14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@211.148.131.7] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst_ [n=verwilst@d54C1E11B.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:47] hi [12:47] <\sh> hey lure [12:47] hi \sh === Lure just finished upgrade after one week of being offline [12:49] is there any burning issue to address before RC? [12:50] Tonio_: around? === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-69-144.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-85-11.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh [n=shermann@xdsl-84-44-131-233.netcologne.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [i=toma@ip83.kovoks.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === My8os [n=My8os@ppp120-239.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [02:04] <\sh> kwwii: ping do you have a nice kubuntu logo which is scalable in a svg editor? [02:04] yepp :-) [02:04] which kind do you want? [02:05] a 3d-ish one or a normal one? [02:05] hi, btw :-) === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:09] <\sh> something nice ;) [02:09] \sh: :-) [02:24] Lure: hey ;) [02:25] Tonio_: hi [02:25] Lure: had a question ? [02:25] Tonio_: got mail from Timo last week that 0.1 will be delayed until wallet startup problem is not resolved... [02:25] a great [02:25] hi \sh Lure and Tonio_ [02:25] well this will be for edgy then [02:26] hey Hobbsee [02:26] this probably means no update for Dapper - unless we persuade somebody that wallet bug is critical [02:26] hi Hobbsee [02:26] is this kwifimanager? [02:26] er, knetworkmanager? [02:26] knetworkmanager [02:26] Lure: backport is still possible [02:26] is *that* why mine fails to connect every once in a while....i was wondering that!!! [02:27] it may not be critical - but it's darned annoying [02:27] actually, i'd call that reasonably critical... [02:27] Hobbsee: probably - I also get empty ESSID list in cca 5% of the startups... [02:27] for people who have long and complicated passphrases, which arent easily rememberable... [02:27] and to have to type that in once every few boots... [02:27] Lure: I never that problem [02:28] Lure: hmm...dont think i've ever had that. it dropped out today, saying it couldnt find a network [02:28] but I know lots of people are reporting it [02:28] Tonio_: I have it occasionally, but it looks to me it is some timing issue, as it is not easy to trigger (at least on my system) [02:29] Hobbsee: I get sometimes a list of three entries in menu w/o name/essid - Timo has also confirmed some reports with that [02:29] Tonio_: Lure. well, knm is becomming well known for "just working" in linux - so i'd think that to get any major bugs out of it would be very good, and worth doing. like the one with the passphrase [02:29] I have first suspected n-m, but then no nm-applet user reported it... [02:30] Lure: yes that's true [02:30] Lure: anyway I'm confident in timo to resolve the issue [02:30] Hobbsee: true, the problem is that 0.1 will be late (if at all on time) for RC. [02:30] Lure: chuck it in a repo, when it comes out, then look at a dapper-updates or something... [02:30] i dont know how those things work [02:31] imho, knm is alreayd better than nm-applet (at least if you look problems reported by users...) [02:33] <\sh> and timo has some nice ideas in his backpocket ;) [02:33] \sh: good to hear that! [02:33] yay! [02:33] <\sh> talked to him during linuxtag [02:36] <\sh> cu later need to go off for 1-2 hours [02:36] is kpowersave planned to be the default for edgy? [02:37] Hobbsee: hard to say - we need to understand how Ubuntu PM is planned to be eveloved for Edgy [02:37] true... [02:38] I would personally rather see uswsusp than powersave in... [02:38] uswsusp looks promising and may be included in kernel that Edgy will be based on... [02:38] havent discovered that one yet [02:38] ooh good! [02:38] does edgy kernel still plan to support ndiswrapper? [02:38] or is that non-support in a kernel ages away? [02:39] it is evelution of swsusp that is used in Dapper today, but does lost of stuff in userspace and allows cool features like suspend to ram then to disk [02:39] ah okay....fun :) [02:40] Hobbsee: no idea abut ndiswrapper - I always buy HW with moderaterly good Linux support (ipw2200 for wifi) [02:40] heh, lucky... === Hobbsee didnt know linux existed when this laptop was bought === Tay1 [n=taya@217.147.227.2] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:40] lol === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-85-11.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tay1 is now known as Taya_ === Taya_ is now known as Tay1 === Tay1 is now known as taya === taya [n=taya@217.147.227.2] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === pygi [n=pygi@83.131.254.65] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-85-11.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:17] mornfall: it seems app-install-data don't depends on kubuntu-desktop or something else so adep_installer is free of applications when kubuntu is freshly install . [03:17] Riddell: may be you are concern too [03:17] Well.. nothing requires app-install-data in Kubuntu, which makes adept_installer mpty [03:21] marseillai: report bug ? [03:22] yes! i let you do! [03:24] marseillai: No... My honour is to let you do it. [03:25] marseillai: Ok. I'm on my way [03:25] Riddell: ping me when you're around please :) === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-68-105.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:48] anybody has an idea how to fix bug #45791 ? [03:48] Malone bug 45791 in ktorrent "KTorrent doesn't install its Language-Files" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/45791 [03:49] OculusAquilae: do the language files exist? [03:49] Hobbsee: they are in the source-package but doesn't seem to be in the .deb [03:50] hmmm... [03:53] oh yeah, i see [03:55] OculusAquilae: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu#head-f3515f500c9344cd9c3977017e074d4eab4ded82 <-- not sure if it means that, or where to put that in - you'd probably have ot check another source that gets the lang files put in correctly [03:56] Hobbsee: that's for generating .pot files, but there are .po-files in the source-package, but they doesn't get installed in the .deb-file for some reason [03:57] yes, so i see... [03:57] it works with "./configure", "make" and "make install" perfectly [04:08] odd [04:09] er, what's a debhelper package for kde? [04:09] hmmm... [04:10] oh, found one :) [04:15] OculusAquilae: i dont know sorry...i'm not great with debhelper stuff yet... [04:15] same for me :) [04:16] there are probably guides on which bit each file means... === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:21] hi bddebian [04:21] Hi Hobbsee [04:22] Riddell: today's live CD is 705MB - does not fit on cd-rw :-( === javier [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:26] OculusAquilae: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources if you havent seen it before === My8os [n=My8os@ppp120-239.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [04:27] hm [04:28] Tonio_: [04:29] can you help me with bug 43500 [04:29] Malone bug 43500 in kmplayer "kmplayer depends on gstreamer 0.10 and the default media engine in kubuntu is xine" [Normal,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43500 [04:30] I can't remove libgstreamer0.10-0 without leaving broken packages === mornfall|mx [n=mornfall@201.139.156.169.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:52] Hobbsee: bug 45759 sounds like your problem? [04:52] Malone bug 45759 in acpi-support "Resuming from suspend to disk, I get logged out!" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/45759 [04:53] Lure: yep [04:54] since it is reported to acpi-support it is probably not related to kpowersave, but more generic issue [04:54] (but strange still - very hard to understand what may cause it) [04:55] yeah, rather === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee goes to sleep, before she falls asleep at her keyboard [05:22] Lure: i confirmed that bug, btw === verwilst_ [n=verwilst@d54C1E11B.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:33] really no idea how to fix bug #45791 :( [05:33] Malone bug 45791 in ktorrent "KTorrent doesn't install its Language-Files" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/45791 [05:43] (Ktorrent 1.2 sucks...) [05:46] OdyX: does it? [05:47] OculusAquilae: well.. for some aspects, it has BIG regressions since 1.1 [05:47] OdyX: maybe, I don't use Bittorrent very much [05:48] hehe, I am trying it for the first time [05:48] OculusAquilae: well.. Try to share files from amovible device... [05:48] and try to share more than 1024 files [05:48] (which is fast with free music) [05:48] hm [05:48] possible [05:48] 1.2 opens one thread per shared file, as 1.1 did open them only when needed (really shared) === OculusAquilae shares two files :) [05:51] And so.. If you open 1.2 without your removable device, it complains for EACH shared torrent which is on the device (as it tries to open the threads) === kwwii is out, time to cook dinner for the extended family...bbl === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === My8os [n=My8os@ppp120-239.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poimen [n=poimen@206.248.110.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-20-94.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:51] any way to make wiki.ubuntu.com/restrictedformats any more visible to people. 3 bugs like #45814 in the last 3 days... === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:57] grm, using firefox under kubuntu isn't really flawless [07:58] sometimes i have no sound [07:58] like when playing flash movies or such === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:05] i think konqueror should depend on libarts1-xine wich permit to have video-preview in konqueror === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62069.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [i=user@69-87-142-68.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:43] Tonio_: don't you agree with the libarts1-xine dependency problem ? === mornfall1mx [n=mornfall@201.160.19.41.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:07] what is the name of the kde application wich is in charge of mounting romvable device graphically and propose to open it with several action? i would like to make a report on it and i can't find his name. === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall|mx [n=mornfall@201.160.20.139.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:42] hi all [10:42] hiya kwwii [10:42] whoever is responsible for my F-keys working again gets a *BIG* hug from [10:42] me [10:43] i'm glad they are working for you :) [10:44] it has been awhile since they worked [10:44] pbbuttonsd seemed to be flaky for my laptop (the last ppc ever made) [10:44] now I can eject my cd! [10:45] well, only a few of them work, but at least the important ones :-) [10:55] people bitching about pdf as an "un-free" format might as well complain about jpeg as well === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:01] well this week i give up my laptop w/ kubuntu on it as i switch jobs ;( [11:01] i hope the next job allows me to install kubuntu on it === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-010-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:12] jjesse: be happy to have a job :-) === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel