[12:03] <Tonio_> bddebian: imagin the user on a fresh kubuntu installation, he launches amarok -> functions are disabled for reasons he cannot understand
[12:03] <Tonio_> bddebian: then he launches k3b and is prompted something he doesn't even know is missing....
[12:03] <Tonio_> what will the user think ??? "that sucks !!"....
[12:04] <Tonio_> and amarok/k3b are the most acclaimed kde softwares, not simple addons....
[12:05] <Tonio_> bddebian: of course we cannot depend on "*" but I think those two softwares have to we 100% activated out of the box
[12:07] <pygi> s/we/be :)
[12:07] <Tonio_> pygi: hum... yes ^^
[12:28] <bddebian> Tonio_: Yeah
[12:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: too late for dapper though
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know, but I have to keep this for edgy :)
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: there are still lots of things to do for usability :)
[12:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: have you told canonical you're coming to the summit?
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have too, but I cannot until my commpany doesn't confirm me they're okay for the vacations :)
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I should have the response on monday....
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: in any case I have filled the wiki page
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: where to annouce it except on the wikipage ?
[01:00] <Riddell> ah yes, wiki page should be fine
[04:17] <Hobbsee> we have more people wanting to join :)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> *points them tothe new member page*
[04:21] <crimsun> speaking of which, what /is/ the page? :-)
[04:31] <robotgeek> hey Hobbsee crimsun 
[04:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: at the moment?   see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember and add yourself to the last link in the topic
[04:32] <Hobbsee> it's being a pain, and not copying :P
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hi robotgeek 
[04:34] <crimsun> Hobbsee: err, I thought there was a separate process for Kubuntu members
[04:35] <crimsun> so it's the same membership process currently?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> crimsun: well...afaik, and this is all new, we're running the same type of process, except that we on the kcc are deciding, rather than the cc
[04:35] <Hobbsee> that's the impression i get, from what Riddell has said
[04:36] <Hobbsee> crimsun: usually Riddell just approves them, but they decided to change that, and make kubuntu membership equal with ubuntu's, decided in the same way
[04:37] <Hobbsee> not sure about the ubuntumembers team bit though...
[04:37] <crimsun> Hobbsee: good, so my impression was not misguided.
[04:38] <crimsun> I figured that the Kubuntu CC would approve new members in the same manner that the Ubuntu CC currently does.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yes, that's what i understand to be the case
[04:44] <crimsun> btw, I've fixed libvisual-plugins, so there are now spiffy plugins.
[04:45] <crimsun> they probably won't be in the archive for another two hours thanks to publisher's schedule
[04:46] <crimsun> nonetheless, when you click Tools> Visualisations in amarok 1.4, you'll be able to install them after reading the message
[04:46] <robotgeek> kk, i probably won't use them ever
[04:47] <crimsun> neither do I, but we're probably corner cases :-)
[04:47] <crimsun> these little things add up for impressions
[04:49] <bddebian> aaahhh Why the hell is scanpci in gatos??
[04:49] <robotgeek> true
[04:50] <crimsun> bddebian: what's the issue?
[04:50] <bddebian> crimsun: Bug #43414
[04:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43414 in gatos "Dependency error" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43414
[04:52] <crimsun> bddebian: add a diversion?
[04:52] <bddebian> crimsun: How do I do that?
[04:52] <crimsun> dpkg-divert(8)
[04:54] <bddebian> crimsun: But should it even be in the package?
[04:54] <crimsun> if it differs significantly and adds functionality, sure
[04:55] <crimsun> if it simply duplicates what's in xserver-xorg-core, remove it before building the deb and note it in README.Debian
[04:55] <crimsun> my hunch is the latter, but you'll want to double-check
[04:56] <bddebian> According to some of the source files it's scanpci from Xfree86 3.3.3
[04:57] <crimsun> yeah, I'd clean it in debian/rules, then.
[04:57] <crimsun> definitely make a note in README.Debian
[04:58] <Hobbsee> gimme my nick back, hehe!
[04:58] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:59] <bddebian> crimsun: Just rm debian/gatos/usr/bin/scanpci in rules?
[04:59] <crimsun> yeah, prior to binary*install
[04:59] <bddebian> OK, thx
[05:00] <crimsun> if you need an example, look at what's done with alsaconf in alsa-utils's debian/rules
[05:00] <bddebian> crimsun: Great thx
[08:50] <kwwii> moin
[08:50] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[08:51] <kwwii> hi Hobbsee
[08:53] <Hobbsee> hey wow, kdesu is working again!
[12:47] <Lure> hi
[12:47] <\sh> hey lure
[12:47] <Lure> hi \sh
[12:49] <Lure> is there any burning issue to address before RC?
[12:50] <Lure> Tonio_: around?
[02:04] <\sh> kwwii: ping do you have a nice kubuntu logo which is scalable in a svg editor?
[02:04] <kwwii> yepp :-)
[02:04] <kwwii> which kind do you want?
[02:05] <kwwii> a 3d-ish one or a normal one?
[02:05] <kwwii> hi, btw :-)
[02:09] <\sh> something nice ;)
[02:09] <kwwii> \sh: :-)
[02:24] <Tonio_> Lure: hey ;)
[02:25] <Lure> Tonio_: hi 
[02:25] <Tonio_> Lure: had a question ?
[02:25] <Lure> Tonio_: got mail from Timo last week that 0.1 will be delayed until wallet startup problem is not resolved...
[02:25] <Tonio_> a great
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hi \sh Lure and Tonio_ 
[02:25] <Tonio_> well this will be for edgy then
[02:26] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee
[02:26] <Lure> this probably means no update for Dapper - unless we persuade somebody that wallet bug is critical
[02:26] <Lure> hi Hobbsee
[02:26] <Hobbsee> is this kwifimanager?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> er, knetworkmanager?
[02:26] <Lure> knetworkmanager
[02:26] <Tonio_> Lure: backport is still possible
[02:26] <Hobbsee> is *that* why mine fails to connect every once in a while....i was wondering that!!!
[02:27] <Hobbsee> it may not be critical - but it's darned annoying
[02:27] <Hobbsee> actually, i'd call that reasonably critical...
[02:27] <Lure> Hobbsee: probably - I also get empty ESSID list in cca 5% of the startups...
[02:27] <Hobbsee> for people who have long and complicated passphrases, which arent easily rememberable...
[02:27] <Hobbsee> and to have to type that in once every few boots...
[02:27] <Tonio_> Lure: I never that problem
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Lure: hmm...dont think i've ever had that.  it dropped out today, saying it couldnt find a network
[02:28] <Tonio_> but I know lots of people are reporting it
[02:28] <Lure> Tonio_: I have it occasionally, but it looks to me it is some timing issue, as it is not easy to trigger (at least on my system)
[02:29] <Lure> Hobbsee: I get sometimes a list of three entries in menu w/o name/essid - Timo has also confirmed some reports with that
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: Lure.  well, knm is becomming well known for "just working" in linux - so i'd think that to get any major bugs out of it would be very good, and worth doing.  like the one with the passphrase
[02:29] <Lure> I have first suspected n-m, but then no nm-applet user reported it...
[02:30] <Tonio_> Lure: yes that's true
[02:30] <Tonio_> Lure: anyway I'm confident in timo to resolve the issue
[02:30] <Lure> Hobbsee: true, the problem is that 0.1 will be late (if at all on time) for RC.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Lure: chuck it in a repo, when it comes out, then look at a dapper-updates or something...
[02:30] <Hobbsee> i dont know how those things work
[02:31] <Lure> imho, knm is alreayd better than nm-applet (at least if you look problems reported by users...)
[02:33] <\sh> and timo has some nice ideas in his backpocket ;)
[02:33] <Lure> \sh: good to hear that!
[02:33] <Hobbsee> yay!
[02:33] <\sh> talked to him during linuxtag
[02:36] <\sh> cu later need to go off for 1-2 hours
[02:36] <Hobbsee> is kpowersave planned to be the default for edgy?
[02:37] <Lure> Hobbsee: hard to say - we need to understand how Ubuntu PM is planned to be eveloved for Edgy
[02:37] <Hobbsee> true...
[02:38] <Lure> I would personally rather see uswsusp than powersave in...
[02:38] <Lure> uswsusp looks promising and may be included in kernel that Edgy will be based on...
[02:38] <Hobbsee> havent discovered that one yet
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ooh good!
[02:38] <Hobbsee> does edgy kernel still plan to support ndiswrapper?  
[02:38] <Hobbsee> or is that non-support in a kernel ages away?
[02:39] <Lure> it is evelution of swsusp that is used in Dapper today, but does lost of stuff in userspace and allows cool features like suspend to ram then to disk 
[02:39] <Hobbsee> ah okay....fun :)
[02:40] <Lure> Hobbsee: no idea abut ndiswrapper - I always buy HW with moderaterly good Linux support (ipw2200 for wifi)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> heh, lucky...
[02:40] <kwwii> lol
[03:17] <marseillai> mornfall: it seems app-install-data don't depends on kubuntu-desktop or something else so adep_installer is free of applications when kubuntu is freshly install .
[03:17] <marseillai> Riddell: may be you are concern too
[03:17] <OdyX> Well.. nothing requires app-install-data in Kubuntu, which makes adept_installer mpty
[03:21] <OdyX> marseillai: report bug ?
[03:22] <marseillai> yes! i let you do!
[03:24] <OdyX> marseillai: No... My honour is to let you do it.
[03:25] <OdyX> marseillai: Ok. I'm on my way
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping me when you're around please :)
[03:48] <OculusAquilae> anybody has an idea how to fix bug #45791 ?
[03:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45791 in ktorrent "KTorrent doesn't install its Language-Files" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45791
[03:49] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae: do the language files exist?
[03:49] <OculusAquilae> Hobbsee: they are in the source-package but doesn't seem to be in the .deb
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[03:53] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i see
[03:55] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu#head-f3515f500c9344cd9c3977017e074d4eab4ded82 <-- not sure if it means that, or where to put that in - you'd probably have ot check another source that gets the lang files put in correctly
[03:56] <OculusAquilae> Hobbsee: that's for generating .pot files, but there are .po-files in the source-package, but they doesn't get installed in the .deb-file for some reason
[03:57] <Hobbsee> yes, so i see...
[03:57] <OculusAquilae> it works with "./configure", "make" and "make install" perfectly
[04:08] <Hobbsee> odd
[04:09] <Hobbsee> er, what's a debhelper package for kde?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[04:10] <Hobbsee> oh, found one :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae: i dont know sorry...i'm not great with debhelper stuff yet...
[04:15] <OculusAquilae> same for me :)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> there are probably guides on which bit each file means...
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[04:21] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:22] <Lure> Riddell: today's live CD is 705MB - does not fit on cd-rw :-(
[04:26] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources if you havent seen it before
[04:27] <OculusAquilae> hm
[04:28] <javier> Tonio_: 
[04:29] <javier> can you help me with bug 43500
[04:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43500 in kmplayer "kmplayer depends on gstreamer 0.10 and the default media engine in kubuntu is xine" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43500
[04:30] <javier> I can't remove  libgstreamer0.10-0 without leaving broken packages
[04:52] <Lure> Hobbsee: bug 45759 sounds like your problem?
[04:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45759 in acpi-support "Resuming from suspend to disk, I get logged out!" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45759
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Lure: yep
[04:54] <Lure> since it is reported to acpi-support it is probably not related to kpowersave, but more generic issue
[04:54] <Lure> (but strange still - very hard to understand what may cause it)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> yeah, rather
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Lure: i confirmed that bug, btw
[05:33] <OculusAquilae> really no idea how to fix bug #45791 :(
[05:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45791 in ktorrent "KTorrent doesn't install its Language-Files" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45791
[05:43] <OdyX> (Ktorrent 1.2 sucks...)
[05:46] <OculusAquilae> OdyX: does it?
[05:47] <OdyX> OculusAquilae: well.. for some aspects, it has BIG regressions since 1.1
[05:47] <OculusAquilae> OdyX: maybe, I don't use Bittorrent very much
[05:48] <kwwii> hehe, I am trying it for the first time
[05:48] <OdyX> OculusAquilae: well.. Try to share files from amovible device...
[05:48] <OdyX> and try to share more than 1024 files
[05:48] <OdyX> (which is fast with free music)
[05:48] <OculusAquilae> hm
[05:48] <OculusAquilae> possible
[05:48] <OdyX> 1.2 opens one thread per shared file, as 1.1 did open them only when needed (really shared)
[05:51] <OdyX> And so.. If you open 1.2 without your removable device, it complains for EACH shared torrent which is on the device (as it tries to open the threads)
[07:51] <yuriy> any way to make wiki.ubuntu.com/restrictedformats any more visible to people. 3 bugs like #45814 in the last 3 days...
[07:57] <verwilst_> grm, using firefox under kubuntu isn't really flawless
[07:58] <verwilst_> sometimes i have no sound
[07:58] <verwilst_> like when playing flash movies or such
[09:05] <marseillai> i think konqueror should depend on libarts1-xine wich permit to have video-preview in konqueror
[09:43] <marseillai> Tonio_: don't you agree with the libarts1-xine dependency problem ?
[10:07] <marseillai> what is the name of the kde application wich is in charge of mounting romvable device graphically and propose to open it with several action? i would like to make a report on it and i can't find his name.
[10:42] <kwwii> hi all
[10:42] <jjesse> hiya kwwii
[10:42] <kwwii> whoever is responsible for my F-keys working again gets a *BIG* hug from
[10:42] <kwwii> me
[10:43] <jjesse> i'm glad they are working for you :)
[10:44] <kwwii> it has been awhile since they worked
[10:44] <kwwii> pbbuttonsd seemed to be flaky for my laptop (the last ppc ever made)
[10:44] <kwwii> now I can eject my cd!
[10:45] <kwwii> well, only a few of them work, but at least the important ones :-)
[10:55] <kwwii> people bitching about pdf as an "un-free" format might as well complain about jpeg as well
[11:01] <jjesse> well this week i give up my laptop w/ kubuntu on it as i switch jobs ;(
[11:01] <jjesse> i hope the next job allows me to install kubuntu on it
[11:12] <kwwii> jjesse: be happy to have a job :-)