[12:03] <neoncode> Tallia1Kubuntu: Ok, back in kubuntu, thanks.
[12:06] <slow-motion> n8
[12:13] <klerfayt> why is it so that if I install nvidialatestdrivers in suse then my nvidia-settings will remember my options but in kubuntu they reset to default?
[12:33] <Narishma> hi
[12:33] <Narishma> I have some problems with gamin
[12:33] <Narishma> gam_server is constantly eating 65% cpu
[12:33] <ninHer> hi all
[12:33] <Narishma> is there any way to disable it ?
[12:58] <_JuDgEn_> where can i get libflac6?
[12:58] <jeff_> hey guys
[12:58] <jeff_> how do you extract .rar files?
[12:59] <_JuDgEn_> unrar
[12:59] <jeff_> ?
[12:59] <jeff_> is that a package?
[12:59] <_JuDgEn_> i think it is included as default in ubuntu
[01:00] <jeff_> i dont have ubuntu though
[01:00] <_JuDgEn_> just use "unrar %argument% %file% %location%
[01:00] <jeff_> i have kubuntu
[01:00] <jeff_> ok
[01:00] <_JuDgEn_> its the same
[01:00] <Pupeno> is there such a thing as a mime type of a directory ? maybe inode/directory ? file just returns application/x-not-regular-file.
[01:01] <_JuDgEn_> the only difference is the windowmanager, desktop enviroment and de-loader + some apps
[01:01] <_JuDgEn_> anyone got libflac6 for ubuntu/kubuntu?
[01:01] <intelikey> i have kdebase installed can run kicker inside other windowmanagers,  now  how to start kde without fluxbox running ?
[01:02] <_JuDgEn_> only have libflac7 over here but i need 6 to satisfy some dependencies
[01:02] <_JuDgEn_> intelikey: do you have kwin installed?
[01:02] <intelikey> kwin hmmm don't think so.
[01:02] <crimsun> _JuDgEn_: what are you attempting to use?
[01:03] <intelikey> yes i do
[01:03] <_JuDgEn_> crimsun: some apps from an old distro i uesd before
[01:03] <_JuDgEn_> i guess i could just compile it from source
[01:03] <intelikey> kwin is already the newest version.
[01:03] <crimsun> _JuDgEn_: the soname has changed. You'll need to recompile it against the newer libflac-dev.
[01:04] <feistel> hi
[01:04] <intelikey> _JuDgEn_
[01:04] <intelikey> ?
[01:04] <intelikey> kwin: cannot connect to X server -:0
[01:05] <feistel> Amarok 1.4 is available for Breezy ?
[01:05] <h3sp4wn> no
[01:05] <feistel> why ?
[01:06] <Snake__> feistel: just dapper
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> Needs a new version of taglib
[01:06] <feistel> h3sp4wn, what version?
[01:06] <Snake__> feistel: taglib1.4
[01:07] <intelikey> kwin now says "kbuildsycoca running..."  but tty5 (where X is) still is unchnaged.
[01:08] <feistel> Snake__, taglib == libtag ?
[01:08] <feistel> ii  libtag1c2                             1.3.1-1.1ubuntu1                   TagLib Audio Meta-Data Library
[01:08] <Snake[Away] > feistel: correct, notice that one is 1.3
[01:09] <feistel> yes
[01:09] <Snake[Away] > 1.4 is in dapper
[01:09] <intelikey> nobody ?
[01:09] <Snake[Away] > intelikey: i dunno :(sorry
[01:09] <intelikey> what executable starts kde ?
[01:09] <Snake[Away] > intelikey: startx
[01:09] <jk-> startkde
[01:10] <_JuDgEn_> xinit
[01:10] <jk-> (if x is already running)
[01:10] <_JuDgEn_> intelikey: do a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:11] <ccc_> i'm using amarok 1.4 in breezy from czessis repo, has instructions on www.czessi.net. unofficial yep, but it works.
[01:11] <mrfishhat> does anyone have any idea why cant i see any windows network workgroups?
[01:11] <_JuDgEn_> bah, i use clamp to listen to music =))
[01:12] <Bilford> mrfishhat, are you using Samba
[01:12] <_JuDgEn_> clamp rules, no graphical interface what so ver =)
[01:12] <mrfishhat> Bilford: yeah
[01:13] <Bilford> are you using Dapper
[01:13] <mrfishhat> Bilford: breezy
[01:13] <Bilford> I dont know
[01:13] <feistel> Snake[Away] , how I can migrate from Breezy to Dapper ?
[01:13] <Bilford> can you upgrade
[01:14] <mrfishhat> Bilford: how?
[01:14] <Bilford> replace all the breezy in sources with dapper
[01:14] <Snake[Away] > feistel: add the dapper sources, then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" (No quote, 1 command)
[01:14] <Snake[Away] > dapper sources here:
[01:14] <Snake[Away] > !sources
[01:14] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
 intelikey: do a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" <---- sounds like real good advice.   heh except X isn't the problem.
[01:14] <mrfishhat> Bilford: and that will upgrade my whole system?
[01:15] <Snake[Away] > mrfishhat: yes
[01:15] <Snake[Away] > mrfishhat: read my directions about
[01:15] <Snake[Away] > above*
[01:15] <feistel> Snake[Away] , risks ?
[01:15] <Bilford> it's pretty safe, since the final version is coming out in less than 2 weeks
[01:16] <Snake[Away] > feistel: Upgrading never worked well in the past, but they claim its been cleaned up. Dapper itself is pretty stable, ive been using it without any issues what so ever
[01:16] <Snake[Away] > its a much better OS, even in beta, than breezy
[01:16] <Bilford> I did a fresh install.  I think fresh install is best if you can do it
[01:16] <Snake[Away] > Bilford: +1 correc
[01:16] <Snake[Away] > t
[01:16] <Snake[Away] > Anywho
[01:16] <Snake[Away] > im off
[01:16] <Bilford> lol
[01:16] <Snake[Away] > byebye
[01:16] <mrfishhat> Bilford: how would i change the sources to dapper?
[01:16] <Bilford> mrfishhat, can you do a fresh install
[01:17] <Snake[Away] > ubotu: thell mrfishhat about sources
[01:17] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Snake[Away] 
[01:17] <Snake[Away] > ubotu: tell mrfishhat about sources
[01:17] <intelikey> so is dapper ubuntu+1  for kde also ?
[01:17] <mrfishhat> Bilford: wouldnt that take my settings away?
[01:17] <Snake[Away] > intelikey: dapper isnt ubuntu+1
[01:17] <Bilford> it isnt?
[01:17] <Snake[Away] > intelikey: ubuntu+1 would be known as edgy eft (the one coming out after dapper)
[01:17] <troy> isn't dapper+1 called eft or something
[01:18] <troy> right
[01:18] <intelikey> then is the the correct channel for dapper ?
[01:18] <Snake[Away] > Yulp
[01:18] <intelikey> this
[01:18] <Snake[Away] > ubotu: tell me about dapper
[01:19] <Bilford> mrfishhat, I dont know if upgrading messes up your setttings
[01:19] <Snake[Away] > Oh I see..
[01:19] <Snake[Away] > hmm
[01:19] <Snake[Away] > well then go for it
[01:19] <Snake[Away] > ANYWAY GOT TO GO lol
[01:19] <Snake[Away] > bye
[01:19] <intelikey> and no one in the "propper" support channel can tell me how to start kde from the command line ?
[01:19] <kkathman> Snake[Away] :  :)
[01:19] <Bilford> add an Ubuntu Forums search thing to  FF Search
[01:20] <Bilford> it comes in handy
[01:20] <troy> who does the amarok packaging for the 1.4 series?
[01:21] <intelikey> well i can do it in steps....  X & kicker -display :0      then open a konsole and type startkde.   but there has got to be a better way.
[01:22] <crimsun> troy: in Kubuntu? Riddell does.
[01:22] <kkathman> hey thoreauputic :)
[01:22] <intelikey> da man wif da answer.
[01:22] <troy> Riddell: are you around?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> hi kkathman :)
[01:23] <intelikey> thoreauputic howto startkde from console?
[01:23] <troy> crimsun: the amd64 packages are b0rken... I know what the problem is, I just need the packager to fix it :)
[01:23] <intelikey> and don't say "startx"   :)
[01:23] <thoreauputic> intelikey: startx /usr/bin/startkde IIRC
[01:23] <crimsun> guess I had better fix libvisual-plugins
[01:23] <Riddell> troy: hi
[01:23] <thoreauputic> or maybe just startkde
[01:24] <intelikey> ok.  at lease you did add the extra....
[01:24] <Riddell> troy: the amd64 package works for me
[01:24] <troy> Riddell: it breaks for me - I have to make 4 symlinks to get it to work
[01:24] <intelikey> startkde "cant connect to display"
[01:24] <Riddell> troy: which are they?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> intelikey: try startx /usr/bin/startkde
[01:25] <intelikey> i'll try it.  but i think it will also start blackbox (my default mw)
[01:25] <Bilford> A 'Vista Capable' PC will require at least an 800MHz processor, 512MB of system memory, a DirectX 9 capable graphics card, a 40GB hard drive with at least 15GB of free space, a DVD drive, and audio and internet capabilities.
[01:25] <troy> Riddell: it's a library linking problem I think, because once I link /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 >>> /usr/lib/libkdecore.4  (and the same for libkio.so.4, libkdeui.so.4 and libDCOP.so.4) it works
[01:25] <intelikey> testing
[01:25] <thoreauputic> intelikey: it shouldn't
[01:25] <mrfishhat> Bilford: so by changing the repositories to dapper it will upgrade the whole sys?
[01:26] <troy> Riddell: I tried uninstalling the packages and reinstalling it, and it had the same problems
[01:26] <thoreauputic> if you specify it should respect what you give it
[01:26] <Bilford> mrfishhat, yes, just replace the word breezy with dapper in sources
[01:26] <Bilford> fresh install is better though
[01:27] <Bilford> clean your hard drive
[01:27] <troy> Riddell: I can send you the output for ldd /usr/bin/amarok if that helps
[01:27] <intelikey> k it seems to have worked correctly.  thank you thoreauputic
[01:27] <thoreauputic> intelikey: seems? of course it did ! *grin*
[01:27] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:27] <intelikey> lol
[01:27] <Bilford> doing an upgrade is boring
[01:28] <Bilford> because your computer looks pretty much the same after
[01:28] <Bilford> doing a fresh install makes it look like a new computer
[01:28] <intelikey> hmmm this is the first time i've ran kde without another wm backing it in dapper.......
[01:28] <thoreauputic> now if only sound would work right in mac-on-linux for me...
[01:28] <mrfishhat> Bilford:but its still the new shite
[01:28] <Bilford> yes
[01:29] <mrfishhat> Bilford:ok because i spent some tme making everything look and act the way i want in to
[01:29] <troy> Riddell: are you running those same packages successfully on an amd64 dapper? is there anything that could be wrong with my system?
[01:30] <Riddell> troy: hmm, weird, you could be right
[01:30] <Riddell> I have /usr/lib/libkdecore.4 but that file shouldn't exist
[01:31] <semboy> hello someone here
[01:31] <thoreauputic> crimsun: any ideas why sound would be incredibly scratchy and intermittent when using mac on linux? My config looks OK...
[01:31] <intelikey> oh this is odd.   seems i have the desktop configured to give the apps menu on left click and the desktop menu on right click   and a windows menu on middle click.....  can't get rid of menus without selecting something......   :)
[01:31] <crimsun> thoreauputic: current dapper?
[01:31] <thoreauputic> crimsun: yes
[01:31] <semboy> does someone knowz -I found kernel patch-2.6.16.17 and i want to install it
[01:31] <thoreauputic> crimsun: just dist-upgraded
[01:31] <troy> Riddell: just making sure I'm not losing my mind (yet) :)
[01:31] <semboy> i got the patch
[01:32] <crimsun> thoreauputic: reproducible with aplay?
[01:32] <semboy> but dont know how to install it
[01:32] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I don't follow -
[01:32] <semboy> does someone knowz -I found kernel patch-2.6.16.17 and i want to install it
[01:32] <semboy> i got the patch
[01:32] <semboy> but dont know how to install it
[01:32] <thoreauputic> crimsun: do you mean using an aplay option for mol?
[01:33] <intelikey> semboy you have 2.6.16.17 installed ?
[01:33] <semboy> nope
[01:33] <crimsun> thoreauputic: no, I mean is mol the only app that has scratchy audio?
[01:33] <semboy> i have the patch
[01:33] <raf> hello all, I want to backup my kubuntu, at least my settings and installed software, kernel, etc, what files I need to burn?
[01:33] <semboy> and i want to uinstall
[01:33] <thoreauputic> crimsun: ah, yes
[01:33] <semboy> install it*
[01:33] <semboy> but dont know how
[01:33] <semboy> ;S
[01:33] <semboy> nope
[01:34] <crimsun> thoreauputic: I'm not familiar w/ mol; does it use oss devices (and thus alsa's oss emulation)?
[01:34] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I noticed I had to set output to OSS in beep - seems odd
[01:34] <intelikey> semboy then why would you want a patch for a kernel you don't have........  <confused/>
[01:34] <semboy> cuzz
[01:34] <crimsun> thoreauputic: that's the default, but yes, it should be changed to alsa at some point
[01:34] <thoreauputic> crimsun: the mol config has alsa as default
[01:34] <crimsun> thoreauputic: what device does the mol config point to?
[01:34] <thoreauputic> crimsun: beep freezes with alsa output
[01:34] <intelikey> oh krap. time got away from me.  gtg
[01:35] <semboy> I have kernel verison -> 2.6.12-10-k7  it is to old
[01:35] <semboy> i need to update or install a new version
[01:35] <semboy> but how?
[01:35] <crimsun> thoreauputic: in beep is the mmap option checked in the alsa plugin prefs?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> crimsun: looking
[01:35] <Bilford> semboy, you using Dapper
[01:36] <semboy> nope
[01:36] <thoreauputic> crimsun: yes, it is checked
[01:36] <Bilford> upgrade to Dapper
[01:37] <crimsun> thoreauputic: please uncheck it and try again. Does beep still "freeze"?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> crimsun: attempting to use alsa output freezes the whole screen - OK trying that - if I disappear it's because I needed to do ctrl-alt-bspace :)
[01:39] <semboy> how do i upgrade
[01:39] <semboy> ?
[01:39] <semboy> ?
[01:39] <semboy> how do i upgrade
[01:39] <semboy> to dapper
[01:39] <Bilford> replace all breezy with dapper in the sources list
[01:39] <Narishma> no one has any idea about my gamin problem ?
[01:40] <thoreauputic> crimsun: OK it doesn't freeze but it pops up an error implying the config is wrong and won't play
[01:40] <thoreauputic> crimsun: OSS works fine but of course that hogs the sound device
[01:40] <crimsun> thoreauputic: do any of /etc/asound.conf, ~/.asoundrc* exist? If so, please pastebin their contents.
[01:40] <raf> hello all, I want to backup my kubuntu, at least my settings and installed software, kernel, etc, what files I need to burn?
[01:40] <thoreauputic> crimsun: OK looking
[01:41] <semboy> Bilford
[01:42] <Bilford> what
[01:42] <thoreauputic> crimsun: aha - that must be it! I don't need /etc/asound.conf , right?
[01:42] <semboy> can you chat with me on private chat?
[01:42] <Bilford> ok
[01:42] <thoreauputic> crimsun: shall I try renaming it ?
[01:42] <crimsun> thoreauputic: correct, /etc/asound.conf is deprecated. However, ~/.asoundrc* is/are fine.
[01:43] <Bilford> semboy, actually I cant.  I dont have PM permissions
[01:43] <Magus`> Hey, I'm trying to use Adept, but no matter what I do it tells me something is already using it
[01:43] <Bilford> [505]  Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!
[01:43] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I had a ~/.asoundrc but I moved it ( probably when I installed breezy)
[01:43] <thoreauputic> crimsun: that might explain the mol problem too
[01:43] <semboy> try /msg nickserv reigster -and the name of the password-
[01:43] <Bilford> ok
[01:43] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I'll try disabling it
[01:45] <SergioAMD64> hello
[01:45] <thoreauputic> crimsun: thank you! Beep no longer complains with alsa1 :)
[01:45] <thoreauputic> umm alsa
[01:46] <SergioAMD64> I'm trying to install kubuntu on my laptop but it doesn't work
[01:46] <SergioAMD64> startx gives me fatal error
[01:47] <SergioAMD64> can somebody give me some pointers?
[01:47] <crimsun> thoreauputic: excellent.
[01:47] <Bilford> where is the sources list again
[01:47] <crimsun> /etc/apt/
[01:47] <Bilford> ty
[01:51] <thoreauputic> crimsun: You saved me yet again :) mol sound is much better now
[01:51] <thoreauputic> still a bit scratchy but usable
[01:52] <thoreauputic> crimsun: thanks again - these sound issues are really beyond me and your help is much appreciated
[01:53] <crimsun> thoreauputic: don't mention it
[01:54] <Magus`> crimsun: Do you have a moment?
[01:56] <SergioAMD64> sorry to bother but can anybody help me? startx gives me fatal error on my AMD64 laptop
[01:56] <crimsun> Magus`: sorry, no. Ping me again in 20 mins.
[01:56] <Magus`> O.. k
[01:56] <semboy> k
[01:56] <semboy> k
[02:04] <judgen___> ubotu: !xgl
[02:04] <ubotu> judgen___: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:05] <Riddell> troy: it's compiling away but I need to go to bed, I'll upload it sometime tomorrow
[02:07] <thoreauputic_> this message is brought to you by Mac-on-Linux :)
[02:08] <judgen___> hmm i just installed dapper, and now i have no accelerated x
[02:09] <thoreauputic> hehe
[02:09] <semboy> hello
[02:09] <semboy> how do i get source list
[02:10] <semboy> i mean in the allt+f2
[02:10] <semboy> and i write gedit /etc/apt/sources.lis and run
[02:10] <thoreauputic> !sources
[02:10] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:10] <semboy> but i see just a blank stuff
[02:10] <semboy> and i write gedit /etc/apt/sources.lis and run
[02:10] <semboy> but i see just a blank stuff
[02:11] <thoreauputic> semboy: try putting quotes around the gedit bit
[02:11] <semboy> ha?
[02:11] <semboy> what you mean
[02:11] <thoreauputic> also use gksudo 'gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[02:12] <thoreauputic> or kdesu or whatever
[02:12] <dbglt> does dapper become the next release, or is it only testing?
[02:12] <dbglt> and, is there a simple way to 'upgrade' to dapper from an existing stable distribution?
[02:12] <thoreauputic> dapper will be 6.06 in early June
[02:12] <dbglt> ah
[02:12] <thoreauputic> !upgrade
[02:12] <ubotu> I heard upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[02:13] <dbglt> is it best to wait for it to be released? I can handle a few bugs and such, but I'd like it to still run, pretty much :)
[02:13] <thoreauputic> dbglt: it is pretty stable as far as I can see
[02:14] <Magus`> For some reason the Adept Database is locked, and I can't figure out how to unlock it
[02:14] <Magus`> Any ideas?
[02:14] <dbglt> thoreauputic: I don't think I have "update-manager"
[02:14] <thoreauputic> Magus`: probably you are running apt or another package app
[02:14] <dbglt> ah
[02:15] <thoreauputic> dbglt: it isn't a KDE app
[02:15] <Magus`> Well, that would make sense
[02:15] <Magus`> Except it appears even after I've rebooted
[02:15] <Magus`> With nothing running
[02:15] <dbglt> thoreauputic: aye, figured as much
[02:15] <dbglt> thoreauputic: no way to do it without installing it?
[02:15] <Magus`> So I'm just confused
[02:15] <thoreauputic> dbglt: you can still use the older method -
[02:15] <Magus`> =\
[02:15] <dbglt> thoreauputic: ah
[02:15] <dbglt> thoreauputic: "Upgrading from Ubuntu releases prior to 5.10"?
[02:16] <dbglt> oh
[02:16] <dbglt> no
[02:16] <dbglt> thoreauputic: where is this older method mentioned?
[02:16] <klerfayt> Magus`: try sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:16] <thoreauputic> dbglt: substitute dapper for breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list, then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:16] <Magus`> Said I had to use another command
[02:16] <Magus`> Which I used
[02:16] <thoreauputic> klerfayt: no, he needs dist-upgrade
[02:17] <dbglt> thoreauputic: when dapper is actually released, will it be simple to move back onto the 'stable' version?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> Magus`: you have to change your sourcesto dapper first
[02:17] <thoreauputic> dbglt: no
[02:17] <Magus`> Also, another odd "thing"
[02:17] <thoreauputic> dbglt: but dapper will be "stable" in June
[02:17] <Magus`> Sometimes Adept won't respond
[02:17] <Magus`> Unless I reboot/log out
[02:18] <Magus`> Like, it'll act as if it's starting up
[02:18] <Riddell> troy: uploading, try it in an hour or so
[02:18] <Magus`> And then die
[02:18] <dbglt> thoreauputic: what I'm trying to ask is, sorry if I'm not clear, it won't enable all pre-release stuff... just packages in dapper?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> dbglt: umm....
[02:18] <Bilford> semboy, did you upgrade
[02:18] <Magus`>  <thoreauputic> Magus`: you have to change your sourcesto dapper first <---- ?
[02:18] <Magus`> I'm already using the Dapper type
[02:18] <thoreauputic> Magus`: ah
[02:19] <Magus`> Dammit
[02:19] <thoreauputic> Magus`: OK then
[02:19] <Magus`> Now Adept won't load
[02:19] <Magus`> And I'm gettin sick of logging in/out
[02:19] <Magus`> D;
[02:19] <Magus`> NOW it loads
[02:19] <thoreauputic> Magus`: well you can still use apt or aptitude :)
[02:19] <Magus`> And ooh
[02:19] <Magus`> And it's working again
[02:19] <Magus`> For now
[02:19] <dbglt> thoreauputic: as in, when dapper is fully released, and if I update, will I not have the same installation as someone who just upgraded to the stable dapper?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> heh
[02:19] <Magus`> The problem started when it died during a full upgrade
[02:19] <Magus`> I hope that doesn't happen a lot
[02:19] <thoreauputic> dbglt: yes, the same
[02:20] <dbglt> thoreauputic: ok :) Many thanks
[02:20] <thoreauputic> dbglt: you just need to keep updating with dist-upgrade until release
[02:20] <thoreauputic> dbglt: there are lots of changes still happening
[02:20] <dbglt> thoreauputic: ahh ok
[02:20] <dbglt> yep yep, can do
[02:21] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:21] <Magus`> Hmm
[02:21] <Magus`> Why can't I find the MP3 codec
[02:21] <dbglt> *nod* I'm just unsure on the package management and how kubuntu/ubuntu works... I've worked with beta gentoo before, so *should* be able to cope :p
[02:22] <thoreauputic> bah - xchat Acqua sucks
[02:22] <Magus`> Aww
[02:22] <Magus`> Dapper doesn't put CD/DVDs on the desktop like Breezy did
[02:22] <Magus`> I liked that
[02:22] <dbglt> 795 upgraded, 90 newly installed, 164 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[02:22] <thoreauputic> dbglt: dapper is nearly ready - you won't bew likely to have major problems
[02:22] <Bilford> yes it does
[02:22] <dbglt> heh
[02:23] <Magus`> Bilford: Well, not by default apparently
[02:23] <Bilford> you put a DVD in, and the icon shows up on the desktop
[02:23] <Magus`> I did, and it didn't
[02:23] <Bilford> you know how to fix it?
[02:23] <dbglt> thoreauputic: aye, so I've heard. I used to compile fun little unstable gentoo packages, and screw up my whole system after an emerge... always fun trying to fix that :p
[02:23] <dbglt> but now my time is touch more limited
[02:24] <dbglt> *a touch
[02:24] <regeya> thoreauputic: if you find something you like better than xchat aqua, lemme know--when I'm at work, I end up using it 'coz I haven't found an OS  X IRC client I like better
[02:24] <Magus`> Bilford: No, I don't
[02:24] <Magus`> :(
[02:24] <Bilford> System Settings
[02:24] <regeya> but I agree, it sucks
[02:24] <Bilford> Disk & Filesystems
[02:24] <thoreauputic> dbglt: I never tried gentoo - until last week i was on dialup, and anyway all that compiling didn'tappeal to me
[02:25] <Bilford> Administrator Mode...  (at bottom)
[02:25] <Bilford> click the DVD drive
[02:25] <Bilford> then click Enable at the bottom
[02:25] <thoreauputic> regeya: I think I'll just use irssi in mac-on-linux :)
[02:25] <Magus`> Odd
[02:25] <Bilford> oh also...
[02:25] <Magus`> It's greyed out
[02:25] <dbglt> thoreauputic: oh it was awesome, the best 'package management' (very very customisable, since built from source- USE flags are fantastic) I have seen forever. Stable and fantastic (if you didn't go around messing around with the unstable ones)
[02:25] <Magus`> (Enable)
[02:25] <Bilford> Modify it
[02:25] <Bilford> Enable at Startup
[02:26] <ubuntu> what the hell must i do to get a usb stick to mount?
[02:26] <dbglt> thoreauputic: it just left a lot to the user to setup as a result. No two gentoo systems are the same, so it'd be hard to integrate them well
[02:26] <Magus`> One worked
[02:26] <Magus`> The other gave me an error
[02:26] <thoreauputic> dbglt: I've heard goodthingsabout gantoo, but I'm a Debian man really :)
[02:26] <Magus`> Saying I needed to classify the file system type
[02:26] <dbglt> thoreauputic: still not conversant with apt... I know install, remove, update and upgrade :P
[02:27] <ubuntu> i've set the fs type to auto
[02:27] <dbglt> thoreauputic: and now! dist-upgrade!
[02:27] <thoreauputic> dbglt: sudo apt-get installapt-howto && apt-howto
[02:27] <thoreauputic> ;)
[02:27] <dbglt> ubuntu: mmm it should mount automatically (at least it does here)... can you mount it from the CLI?
[02:27] <thoreauputic> oops space between install and  apt-howto of course
[02:27] <dbglt> thoreauputic: aye, but I'm doing a dist upgrade!
[02:27] <dbglt> might be a while
[02:27] <dbglt> oh and the lock is a bit annoying
[02:28] <dbglt> could run lots of emerges at the same time under gentoo
[02:28] <thoreauputic> dbglt: several hours including post install
[02:28] <dbglt> thoreauputic: aye :)
[02:28] <SergioAMD64> hello
[02:28] <dbglt> thoreauputic: is there any reason why there is a forced lock? Not possible to run more than one instance?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> dbglt: you can do that with source packages, just not binary
[02:28] <dbglt> ah
[02:29] <dbglt> I can't see how the downloading of packages conflicts with my installation of others
[02:29] <thoreauputic> dbglt: it's possible to compile using apt
[02:29] <SergioAMD64> i try startx on my laptop and I get fatal error
[02:29] <dbglt> thoreauputic: aye
[02:29] <SergioAMD64> this is after I did sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:30] <dbglt> SergioAMD64: can you give us some more information from your xorg log ?
[02:30] <SergioAMD64> it supposedly found my ATI radeon mobility video card but i still get the same error
[02:30] <thoreauputic> SergioAMD64: then you gave a wrong answer somewhere :)
 i can't mount as a user even though i specified that in the configurator
[02:30] <dbglt> ubuntu: ah
[02:30] <SergioAMD64> I just pressed enter all the time :P
[02:30] <thoreauputic> SergioAMD64: have you read the binary drivers wiki?
[02:30] <SergioAMD64> no
[02:30] <ubuntu> i'm using the live CD
[02:30] <dbglt> ubuntu: mounting it under your fstab?
[02:30] <thoreauputic> !ati
[02:30] <ubotu> ati is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[02:30] <SergioAMD64> I'm total newbie
[02:30] <dbglt> oh
[02:31] <thoreauputic> SergioAMD64: see ubotu above
[02:31] <dbglt> ubuntu: try 'mount -oiocharset=utf8,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/usbdevice /mnt/wherever' ?
[02:32] <dbglt> SergioAMD64: heh yeah it is not that great at finding your exact hardware. Sometimes have to do things a little manually
[02:32] <Magus`> Ok
[02:32] <Magus`> I'm trying to play a song in amoK
[02:32] <Magus`> And it 'plays' the song
[02:32] <ubuntu> still can't mount as user
[02:32] <Magus`> Except it only last for a split second
[02:32] <Magus`> And no sound is made
[02:32] <SergioAMD64> ok, I'll read the link and post back afterwards, thank you
[02:32] <Magus`> I've installed the MP3 codecs
[02:32] <Magus`> It worked in Breezy
[02:32] <Magus`> :S
[02:33] <Bilford> what about XMMS
[02:33] <Bilford> it's like WinAmp
[02:33] <regeya> thoreauputic: you know, you don't have to run macos on top of linux just to get irssi :)
[02:33] <Magus`> Bilford: Well, I just wanna know why it's not working
[02:34] <Magus`> If it doesn't work in amaroK, it might not work in XMSS
[02:34] <thoreauputic> regeya: heh - yes I *do* realise that !
[02:34] <Magus`> XMMS *
[02:34] <thoreauputic> ROFL
[02:34] <Bilford> idk
[02:34] <Bilford> sounds like youre playing a normal Audio cD
[02:34] <dbglt> ubuntu: mount as a user?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> regeya: for fun, I could run emacs in mac on linux ;-)
[02:34] <dbglt> ubuntu: or access the mount point?
[02:35] <Magus`> Bilford:
[02:35] <Magus`> I copied some MP3s off a DVD
[02:35] <Bilford> ok
[02:35] <Magus`> So it's not playing off it, no
[02:35] <ubuntu> neither
[02:35] <Bilford> try XMMS
[02:35] <Magus`> I just installed it
[02:35] <Magus`> Though it didn't appear in the Media thing
[02:35] <dbglt> Magus`: what output are you using? gstreamer?
[02:35] <ubuntu> i'll stress that i'm using the live cd, not installed version
[02:35] <Magus`> Multimedia *
[02:35] <thoreauputic> regeya: it amuses me to use windows media player in MoL , in OS-X, on Linux
[02:35] <thoreauputic> regeya: the irony pleases me ;)
[02:35] <Bilford> I never had to mess with anything with mp3
[02:35] <Magus`> dbgit: According to amaroK, 'XINE'
[02:36] <Bilford> I didnt have to jump through any hoops
[02:36] <helloworld> hello all
[02:36] <Bilford> I installed XMMS and it worked
[02:36] <regeya> heh.
[02:36] <dbglt> Magus`: hrmm, do you have any other options?
[02:36] <Magus`> I don't get why it didn't appear in Multimedia
[02:36] <dbglt> Magus`: gstreamer works pretty well
[02:36] <Magus`> dbglt: Not yet, no
[02:36] <dbglt> regeya: what is that? :)
[02:36] <Magus`> GStreamer was what I was using with Breezy
[02:36] <Bilford> oh yeah, what do I install to get RealAudio codecs
[02:36] <dbglt> Magus`: ah, yeah I haven't had much luck with the xine engine in the past
[02:37] <Bilford> I prefer not to install the official Real Player, since I enjoy owning my own computer
[02:37] <regeya> dbglt: aquamacs?  an emacs build that doesn't require x11 on os x...it's not the first, and some people don't like it, but, uh, I do.
[02:37] <Magus`> Well, how do I install GStreamer?
[02:37] <helloworld> I was on breezy, I recently upgraded to dapper, On the upgrade it installed gstreamer0.10 but also left 0.8 on my system, Now when i run gst-launch0.10 i get this error "ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: empty pipeline not allowed" Should I remove them all and just install 0.10 or is this something ellse?
[02:37] <Magus`> What package am I looking for, I mean
[02:37] <Bilford> If I want someone to  take over my computer, I'll install Windows
[02:37] <dbglt> regeya: ahhh :)
[02:37] <regeya> dbglt: I know this is OT and all, but heh, I saw someone say something about xchat aqua sucking, and had to weigh in :-D
[02:37] <dbglt> helloworld: do you normally run gst-launch?
[02:38] <regeya> that's how it got started, that is
[02:38] <dbglt> regeya: oh no, I'm more than interested :) I'm looking to get one of them fancy new macbooks and tri-booting it :P
[02:38] <helloworld> dbglt: I don't normally do use it, as of yesterday I was a gentoo user using mplayer and vnc
[02:38] <helloworld> am I suppose to run something else?
[02:38] <dbglt> helloworld: why would you use it directly?
[02:38] <helloworld> dbglt: I just tryed to launch it because totum can't seem to use it
[02:39] <dbglt> helloworld: I assume it is a mistake in your syntax rather than a problem with the package
[02:39] <helloworld> it was complaining with errorrs
[02:39] <dbglt> helloworld: but I could be wrong
[02:39] <regeya> dbglt: heh
[02:39] <dbglt> regeya: I'd have got one already if they didn't run so damn hot... have to wait for the next gen I think
[02:39] <helloworld> sure, it could be that. Let me grab the totum error
[02:40] <helloworld> but besides that, is it not good practice to only have one gstreamer installed not two versions?
[02:40] <dbglt> helloworld: I don't think it would be a problem, the binaries are different. It shouldn't matter
[02:40] <helloworld> ok
[02:41] <regeya> speaking of sucking, konversation sucks down the cpu cycles.  oog.
[02:42] <dbglt> thoreauputic: quick apt question... how do I search for my *installed* packages matching a certain string? (or does it take reg exps?)
[02:43] <dbglt> anyone else feel free to answer that too :p
[02:44] <stevekl> dbglt: Darn, I used to know this
[02:44] <stevekl> hold on let me think
[02:46] <dbglt> why does the wiki suggest using "sudo aptitude ..." ?
[02:46] <Bilford> alt+F2
[02:46] <Bilford> aptitude
[02:47] <Bilford> oops
[02:47] <Bilford> I mean adept
[02:47] <dbglt> no I know that
[02:47] <dbglt> but why does it suggest aptitude
[02:47] <dbglt> rather than apt-get install?
[02:47] <stevekl> well the apt-get command can't list installed packages
[02:48] <dbglt> "sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly" ?
[02:48] <stevekl> Oh
[02:48] <stevekl> Yeah
[02:48] <stevekl> You're right about that
[02:48] <stevekl> why do websites suggest you use anything other than apt-get for installing stuff? I have no cliue
[02:48] <stevekl> It's stupid
[02:48] <regeya> aptitude has some neat advantages, such as later being able to remove packages that were deps of explicitly-installed packages...I don't know, maybe apt-get does that as well, but aptitude is just far too convenient
[02:48] <Bilford> because Windows users like GUI
[02:48] <thoreauputic> dbglt: either dpkg -S <file> or dpkg -l <packagename>
[02:48] <Bilford> command line scares new people away
[02:49] <regeya> Bilford: that'd make sense if aptitude had a gui
[02:49] <stevekl> feh
[02:49] <Bilford> oh
[02:49] <stevekl> Well they're retards :p
[02:49] <stevekl> It's a BILLION times easier to install something with "apt-get install xyz" than to use anything else
[02:49] <stevekl> for installing one package
[02:49] <dbglt> stevekl: yeah...
[02:49] <Bilford> is the only way to get Real Audio to play  to install the official Real Player?
[02:49] <regeya> I imaging it'd be too hard to read the manpage to figure out why anyone would suggest it; it's far more productive for tarded irc wankery
[02:49] <Technel> and then decide that you need something slightly different and instead of checking a box, you have to memorize like 100 different possible parameters or check the man page every time
[02:49] <stevekl> sure if you need to do some fancy work with apt or upgrade alot of packages, *maybe* you should use synaptic or whatever
[02:50] <Bilford> I dont want to install an OS just for one codec
[02:50] <Bilford> REal Player is like a new OS
[02:50] <Bilford> I used Real Alternative on Windows
[02:50] <stevekl> Technel: but when do you ever need to check the manpage for installing something?
[02:50] <stevekl> "apt-get install xyz"
[02:50] <stevekl> Couldn't be simpler
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Bilford: mplayer or xine or totem-xine with w32codecs
[02:50] <Bilford> ty
[02:51] <Bilford> I have mplayer
[02:51] <Bilford> hm
[02:51] <stevekl> If they can't remember that then maybe they shouldn't be allowed to use computers or forks or dangerous objects
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Bilford: will play most real audio
[02:51] <Technel> stevekl, True, for installing, perhaps not, but for unzipping/tarring/installing/etc there are tons of parameters to enter
[02:51] <Technel> often times
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Bilford: some sites won't stream to non-Real apps
[02:51] <Bilford> its an rm file
[02:51] <Bilford> not streaming
[02:52] <stevekl> Technel: sure, but i'm only talking about installing stuff with apt
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Bilford: well, totem-xine works here for downloaded real media, mostly
[02:52] <stevekl> Technel: I even disdain using tar on the command line
[02:52] <Bilford> ok ty
[02:52] <stevekl> but apt-get is so easy
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Bilford: but you need the extra codecs
[02:52] <thoreauputic> !codecs
[02:52] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[02:53] <Bilford> ok, I only need the codecs
[02:53] <Bilford> Im going to use mplayer to encode rm to wav
[02:53] <Bilford> with this command I found on the forums:   mplayer filename.rm -ao pcm:file=filename.wav
[02:53] <stevekl> Huh I didn't know mplayer could do that
[02:53] <thoreauputic> !w32codecs
[02:53] <Technel> stevekl, Agreed
[02:53] <Bilford> I did it on Breezy
[02:54] <dbglt> yeah
[02:54] <dbglt> mplayer is awesome
[02:54] <thoreauputic> hmm
[02:54] <dbglt> transcode and all that
[02:54] <thoreauputic> !+w32codecs
[02:54] <ubotu> well, w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install. To use w32codecs on a 64-bit system, see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[02:54] <dbglt> nice for converting out of shitty formats
[02:54] <Bilford> ty
[02:54] <thoreauputic> excusaethe flood please
[02:54] <Bilford> I download radio shows off Usenet
[02:54] <Bilford> convert to wav, edit out commercials, convert to mp3
[02:55] <thoreauputic> why not ogg ? :)
[02:55] <Bilford> I dont know anything about ogg
[02:56] <thoreauputic> ogg will play in any Linux player, and it is Free as in Freedom
[02:56] <Bilford> is it better than mp3
[02:56] <Bilford> less lossless
[02:56] <thoreauputic> yes
[02:56] <Bilford> ok cool
[02:56] <thoreauputic> ogg is excellent
[02:56] <thoreauputic> so is ogg theora for video
[02:56] <Bilford> does Audacity convert to ogg
[02:56] <dbglt> ogg is good, supported by a good amount of players now
[02:56] <Bilford> ogm for video
[02:56] <dbglt> wish there were more portables which supported it though
[02:57] <thoreauputic> the audio format is ogg vorbis
[02:57] <thoreauputic> Bilford: of course audacity doesogg
[02:57] <thoreauputic> * does ogg
[02:59] <thoreauputic> http://www.polycrystal.org/lego/movies.html
[03:00] <thoreauputic> http://www.polycrystal.org/lego/movies/A_New_Computer--small.ogg
[03:00] <thoreauputic> ogg theora files there
[03:00] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:00] <Bilford> I have a bunch of ogm
[03:01] <Bilford> seems people like using ogm for dual audio tracks
[03:02] <Bilford> a movie with different languages
[03:02] <Bilford> wtf
[03:02] <Bilford> 10 mb so far downloaded for Win codecs
[03:02] <thoreauputic> Bilford: there are quite a few of them :)
[03:03] <Bilford> stupid Windows
[03:03] <Bilford> are these codecs going to try to  control my computer
[03:03] <Magus`> With Windows itself I use a single codec pack
[03:03] <Magus`> It works pretty well
[03:03] <Bilford> me too
[03:03] <Bilford> I use that all in one codec pack
[03:04] <Bilford> with Media Player Classic
[03:04] <Bilford> Used
[03:04] <Bilford> I no longer have Windows
[03:04] <Magus`> I use both
[03:04] <Magus`> Until Linux gets better game support
[03:05] <Bilford> have you tried Cedega
[03:05] <imbrandon> cedega
[03:05] <dbglt> many drivers are still comparatively poor
[03:05] <dbglt> and cedega is buggy at best, useless at worst
[03:06] <imbrandon> dbglt: plays all my games fine ( 3d ones too )
[03:06] <Bilford> yay
[03:06] <Bilford> the mplayer decode rm to wav is working now
[03:07] <imbrandon> cs ut2004 ultima online sim city 4 etc etc etc
[03:07] <Bilford> ty
[03:07] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:08] <thoreauputic> CheeseBurgerMan: so does Solitaire ;-) In fact a whole bunch of Solitaires ;P
[03:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe
[03:08] <imbrandon> heheh
[03:09] <Bilford> now to see if Audacity exports to ogg
[03:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> It does
[03:09] <thoreauputic> ... and I bet you can't get Frozen Bubble for windows!
[03:09] <Bilford> yes
[03:09] <Bilford> good
[03:09] <imbrandon> or penguinracer ;)
[03:09] <thoreauputic> ;)
[03:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> imbrandon: Yes, Penguinracer is good. As is SuperTux
[03:10] <thoreauputic> actually I meant xbill
[03:11] <imbrandon> and the coolest game of all time ( serouisly no sarcasim , i love this game ) is ......... ScorchedEarth ( with ScorchedEarch3D a close 2nd )
[03:11] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:11] <Bilford> all I need is an SNES emulator
[03:11] <Bilford> which I have
[03:11] <imbrandon> yea i have a ton of roms from all the old systems
[03:11] <thoreauputic> supertux took me back to times wasted with SuperMario on Nintendo ;)
[03:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> I never played supermario on Nintendo, but it was still good. ;)
[03:12] <Bilford> I never had a PlayStation, but I noticed Kubuntu lists a PS emultator
[03:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> Bilford: I'd imagine there's one out there.
[03:12] <Bilford> I already have an SNES emulator
[03:12] <imbrandon> if you get bored check out scorched earth , the 3d version is freeware and the old 2d is public domain ( the 3d is native linux but you need dosbox to run the old 2d one )
[03:13] <Bilford> erm... wtf
[03:13] <Bilford> when I exported to mp3, the filesize was 31 mb.  with ogg it's 13 mb
[03:13] <imbrandon> what bitrate on each ?
[03:13] <imbrandon> probbly diffrent
[03:13] <thoreauputic> Bilford: heh :)
[03:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, I'd have to imagine :P
[03:14] <imbrandon> billford ogg/vorbis at quality 6 is equiv to mp3 at 128kb/s
[03:14] <imbrandon> roughly
[03:14] <Bilford> 38 16 with ogg, and  128 mp3
[03:15] <Bilford> sounds good though
[03:15] <Bilford> it's radio
[03:15] <imbrandon> radio at 128 ? heh
[03:15] <imbrandon> radio would sounds good at 64 ;)
[03:15] <Bilford> still
[03:15] <Bilford> I think I used to use 64 on Windows, and filesize was about 20mb
[03:16] <Bilford> but anyway... are ogg filesizes generally smaller than mp3
[03:16] <imbrandon> 90% of my mp3's are ripped at 320
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> 90% of mine are ripped at 128 :P
[03:16] <imbrandon> yes Bilford but ogg is a lossy format too , less quality ( not that most peoples ears can tell )
[03:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> So is MP3, ;)
[03:17] <imbrandon> so it dosent matter much
[03:17] <Bilford> Ogg quality is set to 5 in Audacity
[03:17] <thoreauputic> Bilford: depends on quality level - by default ogg is usually around 192, but the bitrate is variable too
[03:17] <imbrandon> CheeseBurgerMan: not as much ;)
[03:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> MP3 is also VBR is you use the right encoder.
[03:17] <imbrandon> vbr == bad IMHO ;)
[03:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> Uh, why?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Cheapy: ah - didn't know that, thanks
[03:18] <Bilford> I doubt I'd notice any difference increasing the ogg quality from radio rm rips
[03:18] <Cheapy> yeah no problem
[03:18] <imbrandon> encode a voice convo in vbr and listen to it CheeseBurgerMan
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, now voice it may suck for. Music it's good for.
[03:18] <Bilford> does it sound tinny
[03:18] <imbrandon> CheeseBurgerMan: music is just as bad just a LITTLE harder to tell
[03:18] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Uh, no.
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> What kind of encoder settings were you using?
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Was it VBR hovering at ~32kbps?
[03:19] <imbrandon> unless your listning to hard rock or something, like classic with alot of "quiet" places vbr sucks
[03:20] <imbrandon> when there are subtle diffrences vbr isnt near as good
[03:21] <Bilford> that will all be irrelevant
[03:21] <Bilford> since everyone will switch to lossless
[03:21] <Bilford> ape or flac
[03:21] <imbrandon> true true eosyn and this is a kubuntu chan we should realy drop this in here ;) its all a matter of choice realy, what ever sounds good to you
[03:21] <eosyn> yap :)
[03:21] <eosyn> glad you are not a troll
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, lossless is good, but still big :)
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> eosyn: I know, but no one else is saying anything, and I like to have a good argument. :)
[03:22] <imbrandon> heheh
[03:22] <eosyn> well I cant provide much scientific evidence
[03:22] <eosyn> but I've used vbr a lot and I dont notice any harmonic distortions
[03:23] <eosyn> unless its low vbr and mono voice.. but then.. I dunna care
[03:23] <imbrandon> might have just been my experinces with it and the settings i was using
[03:23] <imbrandon> yea most of the stuff i was doing was podcasts so alot of voice
[03:23] <imbrandon> err speech
[03:23] <imbrandon> etc
[03:24] <Dkt> I got a Amarok problem (I think). I cant play MP3 files in there, but I can play them everywhere else. I downloaded TagLib 1.4 but dont really know what to do with the package. Any Ideas?
[03:24] <imbrandon> dtk download ..... hold on
[03:24] <Dkt> hmm?
[03:25] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[03:25] <imbrandon> and try again
[03:25] <imbrandon> thats the mp3 junk for amarok
[03:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> Or maybe 'sudo apt-get install amarok-xine' -- that's all I have to do to play MP3s
[03:25] <Dkt> Couldnt find that file/folder
[03:26] <imbrandon> you need universe and multiverse enabled
[03:26] <imbrandon> CheeseBurgerMan: yea samething ;)
[03:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> imbrandon: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7516#entry74068
[03:27] <Dkt> I did follow the universe/multiverse guide, but dont really know if I multiversed the correct files or so...
[03:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> Dkt: Did you run 'sudo apt-get update'?
[03:27] <imbrandon> cheeseburger i got mine from : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:27] <Dkt> CheeseBurgerMan, before installing amaroK? Yes.
[03:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> Dkt: I meant after enabling universe/multiverse
[03:28] <staale> Hi guys! I've just installed kubuntu, and did a disupgrade, so i got the newest amarok 1.4
[03:28] <staale> However i dont know how to setup my kubntu to support my ipod
[03:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> imbrandon: no, that would be LAME/MP3 settings, and other audio tips. :)
[03:28] <imbrandon> ohhh ahhh ;)
[03:28] <Dkt> CheeseBurgerMan, I did it now and tried again, still same problem.
[03:29] <imbrandon> whoops ;)
[03:29] <staale> I tried linspire, there it came a "ipod" icon on the desktop when connected my ipod nano, but nothing on the desktop here:/
[03:29] <imbrandon> Dkt: can you pastebin your sources.list
[03:29] <imbrandon> staale: try this link
[03:29] <imbrandon> !ipod
[03:29] <ubotu> info for syncing your iPod is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[03:31] <Dkt> imbrandon, how to do it the easiest way? Sorry, im pretty new to Linux.
[03:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> Dkt: run 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[03:31] <imbrandon> you know how to copy and paste correct ? just copy and paste it to www.pastebin.com
[03:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> And then do what imbrandon said ;)
[03:32] <imbrandon> yup ;)
[03:32] <Dkt> Im not really using Kubuntu, im using Ubuntu, maybie some other code.
[03:33] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh, OK
[03:33] <imbrandon> ahhh "gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:33] <imbrandon> then the copy and paste thing
[03:34] <Dkt> it wants a password, is it my user-password?
[03:34] <imbrandon> yes
[03:35] <staale> hmm.. I realy dont want gtkpod. I just want kubuntu to recognize my ipod, and add a ipod icon on my desktop
[03:35] <Dkt> imbrandon, they say its wrong :/
[03:35] <Dkt> cant I open it with Nano and paste it at pastebin?
[03:35] <imbrandon> check caps lock etc. i cant help with your passwd ;)
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, it doesn't matter what you open it with. ;)
[03:35] <imbrandon> yes nano is fine
[03:37] <imbrandon> staale: i dont have an ipod so i dont know , thats just the howto for ubuntu i know about
[03:37] <staale> imbrandon: ok, still thanks for the try!
[03:37] <imbrandon> amarok should do it as far as i know ( but it wont make an icon on your desktop )
[03:38] <Dkt> http://pastebin.com/729094
[03:38] <Dkt> Hope thats what you searched for.
[03:38] <imbrandon> *looks*
[03:39] <imbrandon> ahh your on breezy, one sec try this
[03:39] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg
[03:40] <imbrandon> and / or
[03:40] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install amarok-xine
[03:40] <Dkt> done
[03:40] <imbrandon> now try ;)
[03:40] <staale> anyone else? I had linspire some days ago, there my ipod was recongnized and it came a icon on my desktop, but reinstalled to kubuntu cuz linspire sucked. Now i cant get my ipod working:/
[03:40] <imbrandon> restart amarok if it was running
[03:41] <Dkt> imbrandon, sad news, didnt work.
[03:41] <Dkt> I guess I have done something wrong with multiverse and stuff
[03:43] <imbrandon> Dkt: if you want you can use mine just change all the words "dapper" to "breezy" and BACKUP YOUR OLD ONE TOO
[03:43] <imbrandon> dunno if it will make a diffrence
[03:43] <nalioth> imbrandon: i only own mac computers
[03:43] <eosyn> sorry I have the flu
[03:43] <imbrandon> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/729091
[03:43] <orient2000> where is multiverse in kubuntu?
[03:44] <imbrandon> nalioth: yea i just thought since you used a mac you might have an ipod ( kubuntu will run on ppc you know ;))
[03:44] <eosyn> Its possible that the mp3 that was encoded had its input turned up too high and caused distortion so all you got was a high quality copy of junk :)
[03:44] <imbrandon> orient2000: follow this link
[03:44] <imbrandon> !sources
[03:44] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:44] <orient2000> thanks
[03:45] <imbrandon> heheh eosyn
[03:45] <nalioth> imbrandon: i have kubuntu, xubuntu, and other things i'm sure are non mainstream
[03:45] <nalioth> imbrandon: but since i'm a sourpuss, i don't listen to music much
[03:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:45] <Dkt> imbrandon, in the source.list or?
[03:46] <imbrandon> Dkt: yea backup you old sources.list and paste mine in there without the line numbers in the begining and change alls the "dapper" to "breezy"
[03:46] <imbrandon> and the do apt-get update etc etc etc
[03:46] <Dkt> ok
[03:47] <imbrandon> like i said i dunno if it will make a diff or not but worth a try, i know my sources.list is setup correct ( and easyier to read )
[03:49] <staale> No offence to you linux pplz. But is it so hard to get a ipod working in this system? kubuntu i mean. In windows and linspire it auto-detects
[03:50] <staale> When i connect my iPod Nano in linspire, it places a shortcut icon on the desktop, with a picture of an ipod. To unmount it i right klikk, and klikk on "unmoun"
[03:50] <thoreauputic> staale: linspire and windows paid for that
[03:50] <staale> thoreauputic: i know that, ive payed for both
[03:50] <staale> bot tought it sucked both
[03:50] <staale> so im now trying kubuntu
[03:50] <thoreauputic> staale: several linux linux apps handle ipods - amarok is one
[03:51] <staale> thoreauputic: it dont
[03:51] <imbrandon> no he means the companies paid apple for rights to do that
[03:51] <thoreauputic> staale: yes, it does
[03:51] <imbrandon> staale: yes it does
[03:51] <nick_> 'lo everyone
[03:51] <staale> couldnt find it
[03:51] <thoreauputic> staale: I'm notinthe habit of lying ;P
[03:51] <troy> has anyone installed blender on dapper? do the fonts look normal when you launch the program?
[03:52] <Dkt> imbrandon, didnt work that either. Its strange.
[03:52] <staale> thoreauputic: i know, but im trying it and i gets error:P
[03:52] <imbrandon> whats te error ? thats a better solution
[03:52] <staale> may i have to edit my /etc/fstab file?
[03:52] <staale> imbrandon: I get the error msg in norwegian
[03:52] <imbrandon> Dkt: i'm stumped then man, but then again i use dapper so mine is a tad diffrent
[03:52] <staale> and my english suck very hard
[03:52] <thoreauputic> staale: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[03:53] <staale> thoreauputic: that doesnt say how to add the ipod icon to the desktop;P
[03:53] <imbrandon> staale: just click"media device" in amarok ( on the left )
[03:53] <staale> ok;P
[03:53] <thoreauputic> staale: erm ... why do you need an icon ?
[03:53] <imbrandon> staale: why do you need an icon , just start up amarok ;)
[03:53] <thoreauputic> heh
[03:53] <Dkt> imbrandon, this is strange, now it works in amaroK, but I got the files on an other harddrive (sdb1), so when I drag-and-dropped the files in amaroK, they didnt want to play, but when I rightclicked, and opened in amaroK it worked perfect, strange shit.
[03:54] <imbrandon> if its that nessesary just make an icon for /dev/sdaX or where ever it mounts it
[03:54] <imbrandon> Dkt: yea that is strange, if it was dapper i would say file a bug ;) but no use in breezy ;)
[03:54] <Dkt> abit iritating tough, because I got all my music at that harddrive.
[03:55] <imbrandon> Dkt: add it to amaroks media library
[03:55] <imbrandon> brb i'ma grab a soda
[03:55] <Dkt> Ok
[03:55] <Dkt> I will try to add it :P
[04:01] <Dkt> thanks imbrandon, it works PERFECT! now! Thanks alot man! :D
[04:01] <imbrandon> np ;)
[04:01] <Dkt> This amaroK rocks winamp to the ground too, wooosaaa!
[04:01] <imbrandon> heh jarhead ;)
[04:04] <starscream> hey guys anyone up and about ?
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> I am.
[04:04] <imbrandon> a few are ;)
[04:05] <starscream> k just in a hotel which does free wifi after you enter in  a code
[04:05] <starscream> kubuntu dapper is having issues
[04:06] <starscream> i've tried iwlist and it showed me the network
[04:06] <starscream> and then i joined using iwconfig
[04:06] <starscream> which seemed to work
[04:06] <imbrandon> iwconfig enc <key> ??
[04:06] <starscream> but dhclient eth1 doesn't seem to aquire a lease
[04:06] <starscream> there isn't a key
[04:06] <starscream> you enter it from a web page
[04:06] <imbrandon> where do you "enter the code then"
[04:06] <starscream> its working under OSX atm
[04:07] <imbrandon> ahh
[04:07] <starscream> i assume that you would have to be part of the network, then after you auth, it lets packets through
[04:08] <theverant> anyone know how I can change access rights to a scanner?
[04:08] <theverant> I can see it if I sudo, but not without
[04:11] <starscream> imbrandon, all my gui tools are having issues connecting too
[04:11] <starscream> however i used it on my uncles connection a few nights ago which was encrypted and it worked fine
[04:16] <Tonren> Hey guys, I just downloaded "kalarm" and it's great, except I get a bunch of invalid/uninitialized input device errors every time it runs.
[04:26] <nebular> ok I just got a new 250gb HD (up from 40) and so I"m now working with partitions that are larger over 50gb. Now ext3 for linux is no problem, but my windows side would need ntfs. So in dapper drake is ntfs writing safe enough for daily use?
[04:27] <troy> sorry, but does anyone have font problems with the blender packages in dapper?
[04:27] <nebular> or would I have to kludge a fat32 partition for data transfer?
[04:28] <stevekl> nebular: i've been told that it's still a little risky
[04:28] <stevekl> but i've never done it
[04:28] <troy> nebular: I've got ntfs writing to work, but then I've never cared if I accidentally fubarred by windows partition...
[04:29] <nebular> drake uses fuse right?
[04:38] <imbrandon> nebular: ntfs writing is bad, but fat32 can be larger than 50gb ( infact i have a 100gb fat32 patition on this box )
[04:38] <theverant> are changes to udev enacted right away, or do I need to reboot for them to take action?
[04:39] <elijahlofgren> theverant: You could probably just run: sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
[04:40] <theverant> thanks elijahlofgren
[04:40] <theverant> worked like a charm
[04:40] <elijahlofgren> theverant: You're welcome. :)
[04:54] <Tonren> Hey guys, there's some kinda weird misconfiguration in my xorg.conf, and I get X11 errors every time I run kalarm
[04:54] <robotgeek> Tonren: like what?
[04:54] <Tonren> http://rafb.net/paste/results/VxFKKa89.html
[04:54] <Tonren> This is my xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/paste/results/hvFowg77.html
[04:55] <Tonren> I OWN a Wacom tablet, but I've never had it plugged in while Linux was running
[04:55] <robotgeek> Tonren: i've seen those too, never bothered about it
[04:56] <Tonren> robotgeek: They're driving me crazy.  I hate having a half-page of errors spat out every time I run a tiny little kalarm...
[04:56] <DaveQB> anyone tried this liveCD: http://kubuntu.org/special-cds.php
[04:57] <DaveQB> seems to be the latest, yet its German.  I can change to english once in, but was wondering if there is an English version ?
[04:57] <elijahlofgren> Tonren: I'd file a bug if I were you.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech
[04:59] <kikif> spinoza
[05:00] <kikif> spinoza xterm
[05:01] <Search4Lancer> anyone wanna buy some stock? My transmission is shot, and I'm hoping to buy a big bad Blazer, figure a good way to get the money is to sell off some of my stock..... so... any takers?
[05:02] <robotgeek> hmm, try offtopic
[05:19] <elijahlofgren> wow, netsplit.
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:29] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: hey!
[05:32] <DaSkreech> How do you boot the Live CD without GUI?
[05:33] <DaveQB> DaSkreech:  give the kernel a runlevel argument
[05:34] <DaveQB> although I think Kubuntu's lowest runlevel, 2 is GUI too
[05:34] <DeadS0ul> isn't there a console login options?
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Yeah I think that Debian is kind of irreverent to that kind of thing :-)
[05:35] <DaSkreech> DeadS0ul: Thats after the X system starts
[05:35] <DaSkreech> I don't want X to start up at all
[05:35] <DeadS0ul> Doh
[05:35] <DeadS0ul> what bout runlevel 1?
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:37] <DaSkreech> I guess that should work
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> just rm /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm
[05:45] <Bilford> what are you trying to do
[05:45] <DaSkreech> LeeJunFan: Before we login?
[05:45] <Bilford> you install from inside the live cd
[05:45] <DaSkreech> LeeJunFan: From the Live CD?
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Noooo
[05:45] <DaSkreech> I want the Cd to boot without a GUI
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> DaSkreech: ah, didn't realize you were working with live. hrm.
[05:45] <DaSkreech> So I get either a login or a prompt
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> DaSkreech: I guess booting runlevel 1 (single) is probably the only option, but none of the other services will get started either then.
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Thats fine I should guess
[05:59] <DeadS0ul> is it alright to install my own patched kernel in kubuntu?
[06:02] <DaveQB> DaSkreech:  yeah just remove the services you dont want, like KDM from the runlevel your going to set it to.  Linux is versitile, you can do whatever you want
[06:02] <DaveQB> i am out
[06:05] <_user> wazz up
[06:17] <angasule> !flash
[06:17] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:28] <mrfishhat> when upgrading to dapper i have some questions
[06:34] <Calilasseia> Hello everyone ....
[06:34] <Calilasseia> I have a NICE conundrum for you all to solve ....
[06:35] <Calilasseia> My X server keels over and dies a hideous death ... without apparent rhyme or reason ....
[06:35] <Hobbsee> Calilasseia: go for it :P
[06:35] <Hobbsee> eek
[06:35] <Hobbsee> !xhangs
[06:35] <ubotu> If the GUI hangs after logging in, use <ctrl><alt><f1> to switch to text mode. Log in and do: rm .{X,ICE}authority
[06:35] <Calilasseia> Can't do that ubotu - keyboard is TOTALLY dead and unresponsive, pressing CTRL-ALT-F1 does NOTHING ... yet the mouse pointer still works ....
[06:36] <Hobbsee> oh that...
[06:36] <Hobbsee> so the mouse still responds, do the windows still work?
[06:36] <Calilasseia> No, no windows appear AT ALL ... screen is complete garbage composed of pixellated rubbish from my last Windows desktop ....
[06:37] <Calilasseia> It doesn't even go grey when  initialising the way it should ....
[06:37] <Hobbsee> ack.
[06:37] <Hobbsee> what type of video card?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> if it's nvidia or ati, i dont know...
[06:37] <Calilasseia> ATI Radeon 7000 ....
[06:38] <Calilasseia> Checked the card using the diagnostics in Windows, the ATI diagnostic tools say it's working fine ....
[06:38] <Calilasseia> in any case if the card was keeling over, I wouldn't be able to boot the computer full stop ....
[06:39] <Calilasseia> Also, it isn't a resolution issue - I tested whether or not the card would handle 1280x1024 in Windows and it did so without complaint ....
[06:39] <Hobbsee> true...
[06:40] <Hobbsee> can you get to a virtual terminal at all?
[06:40] <Calilasseia> No, not at all in standard boot ....
[06:40] <Calilasseia> However, since the new install, I CAN boot safely into recovery mode ....
[06:40] <Calilasseia> I end up with a terminal and a root prompt ....
[06:40] <Hobbsee> as a guess, i'd try doing the rm .{X,ICE}authority in recovery mode...
[06:40] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:41] <Calilasseia> Hang on let me copy and paste that ....
[06:42] <Calilasseia> Right ... the command is "rm .{X,ICE}authority"
[06:43] <Calilasseia> Explain ito a relative newcomer what this does :)
[06:43] <Calilasseia> I understand rm ... it's the part in curly braces that puzzles me ....
[06:43] <Hobbsee> means remove both Xauthority and ICEauthority
[06:43] <DaSkreech> in anycase it's safer to start low then go up
[06:43] <Calilasseia> Right ... so Xauthority and ICEauthority are two files ....????
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Yes
[06:44] <Calilasseia> Ah, penny drops - pattern matching .... regexps ....
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Like rm shell* can be more than one file
[06:44] <Calilasseia> One day I'll learn this :)
[06:44] <Calilasseia> So, these two authority files ... what do they contain?
[06:44] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:45] <Calilasseia> And what pray tell is ICE?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> Calilasseia:
[06:46] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ cat .ICEauthority
[06:46] <Hobbsee> ICE.local/sarah:/tmp/.ICE-unix/dcop4758-1148184060MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1w|2)IDCOP.local/sarah:/tmp/.ICE-unix/dcop4758-1148184060MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1* VjZ
[06:47] <Hobbsee> they get autocreated on boot
[06:47] <Calilasseia> Yeep ... that looks as if it's a binary file ....
[06:48] <Calilasseia> Right ... so the authority files are created each time Kubuntu boots ....
[06:48] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Calilasseia: I sugeest setting a loooow res then going up
[06:48] <Calilasseia> What, say 800 x 600 ????
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Much safer
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[06:48] <DaSkreech>  then bump up
[06:48] <DaSkreech> It works
[06:49] <DaSkreech>  Hit ok
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Bump up again
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Till it freaks
[06:49] <Calilasseia> Right ...
[06:49] <Calilasseia> Gotcha ...
[06:49] <DaSkreech> Then at least you have a working video install and can then troubleshoot higher things at lesiure
[06:49] <Calilasseia> So I start up in recovery mode, then delete the authority files ... then try startx ....
[06:50] <Calilasseia> Only thing is, how do I tell X to use a given resolution? Does it accept command line parms?
[06:50] <Calilasseia> Can I d something like "startx -h=800 -v=600" or similar?
[06:50] <DaSkreech> You can Xorg-reconfigure
[06:50] <DaSkreech> I think .. :-(
[06:51] <imbrandon> Calilasseia: xorg.conf
[06:51] <DaSkreech> I always forget :(
[06:51] <imbrandon> Calilasseia: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Yeah I always endup doing that
[06:51] <Calilasseia> Ah ... xorg.conf .... I hope this file is text and not binary ....
[06:52] <DaSkreech> There is an offcial Xorg way to do it
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Yup text
[06:52] <imbrandon> Calilasseia:  run that command and it will configure xorg.conf for you
[06:52] <imbrandon> Calilasseia: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[06:52] <Calilasseia> Ah ....
[06:52] <Calilasseia> Copied and pasted ...:)
[06:52] <Calilasseia> So when I do that, it''ll ask me for parameters???
[06:53] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: you need a better computer hostname ;)
[06:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh
[06:53] <imbrandon> Calilasseia: yes , near the end
[06:53] <Calilasseia> Right ... and I can tell it then to use a low resolution to start off with, and see if that gets me a working desktop ....
[06:54] <Calilasseia> And of course if I'm in recovery mode and logged on as root I won't need sudo :)
[06:54] <imbrandon> for it to take effect though ( once its finished ) you will need to either restart X by "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" OR reboot your computer
[06:54] <imbrandon> Calilasseia:  true
[06:55] <Calilasseia> OK, got that ... added to the notepad file :)
[06:56] <Calilasseia> Should I also specify a change in colour depth to be safe, so for example, if it's possible, just go for 256 colours in low res, then slowly work up ???
[06:58] <imbrandon> personaly i would start at 800x600x16 and work up from there ( 16 == 16bit colour )
[06:58] <Calilasseia> Ah, it takes a bit depth as a parameter ... right ....
[06:59] <imbrandon> that program will ask you in a nice simple gui'ish way , like the red/blue screen from the installer
[06:59] <Calilasseia> Got it ....
[07:00] <Calilasseia> So if I do this in recovery mode, then hopefully, once I have a working desktop, that desktop will work in standard boot mode with the parameters I specify?
[07:00] <imbrandon> if you do it in recovery mode you will have to boot into regular mode to startx and test it ;)
[07:01] <Calilasseia> Right ....
[07:01] <Calilasseia> OK, I'll disappear and give this a try ....
[07:01] <imbrandon> what happens when you boot in normal mode right now ?
[07:01] <Calilasseia> Right now, if I boot in normal mode, X dies ... garbage on screen, keyboard COMPLETELY DEAD AND LOCKED, but mouse pointer still working for some strange reason ....
[07:02] <Calilasseia> Not a sign of my KDE desktop ....
[07:02] <imbrandon> more than likely you can just hit ctl+alt+f1 and get to a console screen to type the commands in regular mode
[07:02] <imbrandon> when that happens
[07:02] <Calilasseia> Sorry imbrandon, already tried that ... keyboard is TOTALLY dead ....
[07:02] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[07:02] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:02] <Calilasseia> Can't get to a terminal or I'd have tried fixing it that way a long time ago :)
[07:03] <Calilasseia> it's why I'm having to do it in recovery mode :)
[07:03] <poimen> hey someone here uses XGL?
[07:03] <imbrandon> then yea boot into single user mode ( recovery ) and run that command then reboot normals to try it out
[07:04] <imbrandon> x dosent work in recovery mode but it will keep the settings from what you set there
[07:04] <orient2000> How can I get to any other IRC chanels? I do not see any list in a program.
[07:04] <imbrandon> poimen: more likely to get help in #ubuntu-xgl ( if someone is awake in there )
[07:04] <Calilasseia> Right, I'll go and give this a try ...
[07:05] <Calilasseia> Thanks everyone :)
[07:05] <imbrandon> orient2000: type "/list" to get a list of chans or "/join #channame" to join one
[07:08] <orient2000> thanks something big is coming
[07:16] <nixternal> imbrandon...isn't it past your bed time ;p
[07:18] <nixternal> 17 minutes to compile a kernel...that is pretty good
[07:19] <MasterEvilAce> under display settings and Power saving, the "Switch off monitor after: XX minutes" setting does not get saved. when i restart it switches back to 30minutes and turns off power saving.
[07:21] <imbrandon> lol nixternal nah i'm hard at work tonight ;) got lots to do before release ;)
[07:22] <nixternal> i hear you
[07:22] <nixternal> i lost my hard drive today
[07:22] <nixternal> so i had to reinstall...and recompile
[07:22] <imbrandon> ouch
[07:22] <nixternal> i have been kernel hacking for the past hour or so
[07:22] <nixternal> past couple of hours actually
[07:22] <nixternal> didn't realise how late it is
[07:24] <nixternal> i decided to try one of the ck patches tonight...i couldn't tell the difference when it came time to hack
[07:28] <Bilford> what do you hack it for
[07:29] <nixternal> to make it lean and mean
[07:29] <nixternal> right now it is lean..but it ain't mean
[07:30] <nixternal> i don't like anything stock...if it ain't broke...well i try to break it
[07:30] <Bilford> lol
[07:30] <nixternal> there is so much stuff in the kernel that iwill never use in my lifetime
[07:31] <Bilford> so after you install Kubuntu, you remove all programs you dont use
[07:31] <nixternal> this is a desktop...and it has like 50 different laptop support modules hidden in it
[07:31] <nixternal> yes sir...i remove everything i don't use
[07:31] <nixternal> just like my business i don't like overhead
[07:32] <nixternal> i have an amd cpu...don't need intel ia32 cpu microcode support as a module
[07:33] <Bilford> I should do that
[07:33] <Bilford> Im too much of a LInux newbie to do it yet though
[07:34] <nixternal> me too...but i still do it...i have been a linux no0b for 10 years now
[07:34] <nixternal> i swear...i know the commands...i just don't know what they do ;D
[07:35] <Bilford> Linux has been around for 10 years?
[07:35] <nixternal> since the early 90's
[07:35] <nixternal> 92 i think
[07:35] <Bilford> do you see it overtaking Windows eventually
[07:35] <nixternal> i have to say....not in my lifetime i don't think
[07:36] <Bilford> the next windows requires a 40 gb hd and 512 ram
[07:36] <nixternal> you have to many old timers that think linux is the devil
[07:36] <nixternal> i have clients that don't want to leave windows 98...
[07:36] <Bilford> I think making Linux more compatible for Windows games would be the biggest thing
[07:36] <nixternal> i talk to them about linux solutions and they pray for me
[07:37] <nixternal> i think making games more compatible for linux is the biggest thing
[07:37] <Bilford> thats step 2
[07:37] <nixternal> when you start making linux more compatible with windows..well you will end up with windows
[07:37] <Bilford> just to start out
[07:37] <nixternal> it needs to be compatible to a certian point
[07:37] <Bilford> more people using Linux will make more game companies make more games LInux compatible
[07:37] <nixternal> like apple...they know how to push the envellope
[07:38] <nixternal> but when half of your board is the same as the board for ms..then something is wrong
[07:38] <Bilford> the only envelope MS pushes is the one with the checks in it at the bank teller window
[07:38] <Bilford> MS is going down
[07:38] <nixternal> i really don't game anymore...so the gaming portion isn't really big...but i would like to see more people using linux
[07:38] <Bilford> me either
[07:39] <nixternal> bill gates will be hard to defeat...he is an amazing business person..thati s why i can't hate him
[07:39] <Bilford> I dont hate Bill Gates
[07:39] <nixternal> they say...don't hate the player...hate the game ;p
[07:39] <Bilford> he's a fine humanitarian
[07:39] <nixternal> true
[07:39] <Bilford> yes, he's ruthless in the business world
[07:40] <Bilford> but Microsoft has gotten to be too much like a bank than an innovator like Google
[07:40] <nixternal> you are right...and when you have the gov't in your back pocket...it is hard to be beat..another bad thing
[07:41] <nixternal> anyone want to donate a mac so i can enable appletalk in my kernel ;p
[07:48] <nixternal`v2> sweet jesus what did i miss
[07:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal`v2: nothing
[07:48] <Hobbsee> !ghost
[07:48] <ubotu> ghost is, like, totally, type /msg nickserv GHOST <name> <password>
[07:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal`v2: ^
[08:00] <kane_> hi ...
[08:01] <kane_> has anyone faced a wierd problem like, when upgrading from dapper f6 to f7 ... upon rebooting, it doesnt boot up ? and drops into what looks like the initrd environment ?
[08:02] <crimsun> oh, excellent. Is the machine still in that state?
[08:03] <kane_> crimsun: no, i reinstalled ... twice already :/
[08:04] <kane_> crimsun: is it related to 30333 ?
[08:04] <crimsun> kane_: what if you install F6 then dist-upgrade to current?
[08:04] <kane_> bug #30333
[08:04] <crimsun> hi Ubugtu, wake up plz
[08:05] <crimsun> kane_: possibly
[08:06] <crimsun> infinity would be the person to talk to, but as he's a Ubuntu employee, it's very probable he's still on holiday
[08:06] <kane_> crimsun: well, i have the dapper f6 install CD ... so I install it, and then I do an 'apt-get upgrade'
[08:06] <crimsun> no, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:06] <kane_> crimsun: then, upon reboot, it fails ... i think it fails when trying to mount my root filesystem ...
[08:06] <kane_> crimsun: ok, i'll try that if you wish
[08:07] <crimsun> kane_: please do.
[08:07] <Bilford> lets say you have 100 gb hard drive, with most of it full with Windows
[08:08] <Bilford> can you free up a few gb, install Linux, and then gradually increase the partition size as you transfer files over from Windows
[08:08] <nixternal> grrr...freenode quit booting me
[08:08] <crimsun> Bilford: no, because you can't grow the front of an ext2/reiserfs/jfs/ext3/xfs partition
[08:09] <crimsun> Bilford: you can continue to shrink the back of an ntfs partition, of course, but the Linux partition can't be grown.
[08:09] <crimsun> (the front, that is)
[08:09] <nixternal> i swear...dell and toshiba had to have paid money to linus for all of the kernel advertising they get
[08:10] <nixternal> i shut off who knows how many dell references
[08:10] <crimsun> now with that said, what you /can/ do is make lvms
[08:10] <nixternal> whats next...pop-ups in the kernel ;p
[08:10] <kane_> crimsun: when i try to mount my root filesystem within that initrd environment, it works .... but I have to specify -t ext3 ... it doesnt work otherwise
[08:10] <Bilford> crimsun, ok thx
[08:15] <nixternal> anybody need a gmail account?
[08:15] <MasterEvilAce> Kate and Kwrite and all of those are installed on my system, but they don't show up under the Office menu. OpenOffice.org's stuff is listed, however
[08:16] <MasterEvilAce> oh wait.. Kate is listed under utilities
[08:16] <MasterEvilAce> that's weird. oh well
[08:29] <ch1p> hey
[08:29] <ch1p> can somone help me
[08:29] <ch1p> anyone here
[08:29] <ch1p> ?
[08:32] <crimsun> err, way to stick around.
[08:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:39] <kkathman> hey Hobbsee :)
[08:40] <Hobbsee> hi kkathman :)
[08:43] <Bilford> how do I make it so the mouse roller scrolls more than 1 line per click in Firefox
[09:13] <n3storm> morning
[09:20] <Hobbsee> !ping
[09:20] <ubotu> pong
[09:21] <Hobbsee> !ping
[09:21] <ubotu> pong
[09:21] <Hobbsee> that's better...
[09:30] <corey> can someone remind me the name of that wifi manager?
[09:31] <corey> the good one :P
[09:32] <Hobbsee> knetworkmanager?
[09:32] <Hobbsee> wlassistant?
[09:33] <corey> no
[09:33] <corey> maybe its knetworkmanager
[09:34] <corey> is that the good one?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> they're both pretty good, bu tyeah
[09:36] <corey> hrm, its not including with kbuntu?
[09:41] <Hobbsee> they are in dapper
[09:42] <larrywells> What is the latest version of Kubuntu
[09:42] <corey> breezy
[09:43] <larrywells> What is this Dapper?
[09:43] <larrywells> When did Dapper come out
[09:45] <Hobbsee> dapper comes out on june 1
[09:45] <larrywells> Oh it is not out yet?
[09:45] <Hobbsee> not quite
[09:45] <larrywells> Will it be completely ready on June 1?
[09:45] <Hobbsee> lets hope so
[09:45] <Hobbsee> it's fairly ready now
[09:46] <corey> is that the new version?
[09:46] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:46] <corey> hrm
[09:46] <larrywells> I already have breezy, it is much of an upgrade?
[09:46] <corey> isnt knetworkmanager included with ubuntu?
[09:46] <corey> i use to run ubuntu and i got it working i thought w/ no downloads
[09:47] <larrywells> I mean is it worth the time to download?
[09:48] <Hobbsee> larrywells: you on dialup or something?
[09:48] <larrywells> Broadband
[09:50] <larrywells> And I am guessing it comes with the latest version of KDE?
[09:51] <larrywells> Looks like KDE will have widgets now
[09:52] <Hobbsee> yeah, 3.5
[09:52] <Hobbsee> .2
[09:53] <larrywells> And the new Kubuntu will include that?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:55] <larrywells> The new Kubuntu will work better on slower machines?
[09:56] <lmh> Can Koffice work well in ubuntu 5?
[09:57] <lmh> What's the differences between Koffice and OpenOffice?
[10:02] <glick> excuse me is the information on the cpu mhz in /proc/cpuinfo very accurate?
[10:03] <Bazzi_> glick it is for me
[10:03] <glick> it says i have a 1.0gighz zpu
[10:03] <glick> but its currently running at 1196.706 Mhz
[10:04] <glick> sorry it says i have a 1.80gighz cpu
[10:04] <glick> but its currently running at 1196.706 Mhz
[10:05] <crimsun> glick: does your processor speed-step?
[10:06] <glick> it says stepping 7
[10:07] <crimsun> no, what would be in /proc/acpi/processor/CPU/throttling
[10:07] <glick> crimsun: is that what stepping :7 means?
[10:07] <crimsun> no
[10:07] <glick> crimsun: what am i looking for in that file?
[10:08] <crimsun> glick: active state
[10:08] <glick> active state says T0
[10:08] <crimsun> and what's state count?
[10:08] <glick> crimsun: 8
[10:09] <crimsun> and what corresponds to T0?
[10:09] <glick> 00%
[10:09] <crimsun> so 1.2 GHz is probably your base.
[10:10] <glick> so when does it operate at 1.8?
[10:10] <glick> and, can i throttle down to 500mhz?
[10:12] <crimsun> it operates at 1.8 when usage sustains beyond a threshold
[10:12] <corey> can someone help me w/ picking the appropriate wifi driver
[10:12] <corey> my pci id is 14e4:4318 and tehre are about 15 on the page ;/
[10:26] <nixternal> good night all
[10:34] <corey> is there a kde version of ndisgtk
[10:44] <corey> anyone get networkmanager working on k?
[10:45] <_JP> i ran kubuntu 5.10 installation in the expert mode. i entered a root passwd when it was asked.
[10:45] <_JP> i can "su" fine in the konsole, but nothing happens when i type to for example "sudo nano"
[10:45] <_JP> apps like adept updater refuse to start: "su returned with an error"
[10:46] <_JP> is anyone able to give any hints what should i do to correct this?
[10:47] <_rince_> mrgn
[10:47] <_JP> i guess i should have left the root passwd field empty or something...
[10:49] <NewToKubuntu> can anyone plz help me ...
[10:50] <NewToKubuntu> i am trying to  connect mysql and keep getting this error ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[10:53] <praem> NewToKubuntu: does that file exist?  That's the first question to ask.
[10:53] <NewToKubuntu> Nope
[10:54] <NewToKubuntu> i checked and that file doesnt exist
[10:54] <praem> Could you tell me what version of Kubuntu you are running?
[10:54] <_rince_> are you sure you want to connect through unix-domain socket instead of tcpi/ip to localhost?
[10:54] <NewToKubuntu> i had Dapper Ubuntu and installed latest KDE on it
[10:55] <NewToKubuntu> im not sure im totally new to everything including mysql
[10:55] <praem> I know its obvious, but I must ask it anyway - you have installed mysql?
[10:55] <NewToKubuntu> yes i just installed it and then was trying to set root password
[10:56] <praem> _rince_: the socket really should be fine.
[10:56] <praem> I have the impression that that is not the issue.
[10:57] <praem> could you type the following in a command prompt? "ps -ef | grep mysql"
[10:57] <praem> Omitting the quotes, of course.
[10:57] <NewToKubuntu> okay
[10:57] <praem> What is the output?
[10:58] <NewToKubuntu> sadaf     6445  6426  0 04:57 pts/1    00:00:00 grep mysql
[10:58] <NewToKubuntu> thats the output
[10:58] <praem> There's problem number one: mysql isn't running.
[10:58] <NewToKubuntu> how do i get it to run
[10:59] <praem> Type "sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start"
[10:59] <praem> You should be asked for your password.
[11:00] <NewToKubuntu> its running now
[11:00] <semboy> hello
[11:00] <semboy> someone here
[11:00] <praem> Could you check whether or not the socket file exists now?
[11:01] <NewToKubuntu> now it lets me run the commands
[11:01] <semboy> what command gives me a kernel veersion
[11:01] <praem> Excellent.
[11:01] <NewToKubuntu> Thank you very much praem
[11:01] <NewToKubuntu> :)
[11:01] <praem> semboy: uname -a
[11:01] <praem> NewToKubuntu: You're very welcome.
[11:02] <NewToKubuntu> :)
[11:02] <semboy> is it old kernel version -> Linux SigurNafnjesu 2.6.15-23-k7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 18 18:21:31 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux?
[11:02] <praem> Not at all.  It's quite nw.
[11:02] <praem> * new.
[11:03] <corey> how can i tell what process currently has a hold of root access?
[11:03] <praem> corey: I'm not certain what you mean.  What do you mean by, "has a hold of"?
[11:03] <corey> well something is using root so no other program will let me login with it
[11:04] <corey> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[11:04] <_rince_> maybe you are trying to run dpkg as a normal user?
[11:04] <corey> no, i was trying to apt-get a file
[11:05] <_rince_> that's almost the same :)
[11:05] <praem> append "sudo" to your command.
[11:05] <corey> well i used sudo, and thats where i got the error
[11:05] <_rince_> try running 'sudo apt-get install <file>'
[11:05] <praem> Really?
[11:05] <corey> yes i know
[11:05] <corey> i think a processes crashed that was using root
[11:05] <praem> Alright, then something else is using dpkg.
[11:05] <corey> and now its still using it
[11:05] <praem> Could be.
[11:05] <corey> isnt there a command to show what proc is using root?
[11:06] <praem> It's not a question of using root, but rather locking the directory in question.
[11:06] <_rince_> you could try lsof, to have a look at /var/lib/dpkg
[11:07] <corey> i think Adept Updater is the process
[11:07] <praem> Try "pidof adept_updater"
[11:07] <praem> What does that return?
[11:08] <corey> nothing
[11:08] <praem> How about "ps -ef | grep adept" ?
[11:08] <corey> yea that returns several lines
[11:09] <praem> Could you paste them in the channel?
[11:09] <corey> oot     27950 27947  1 03:46 ?        00:00:13 adept-updater -icon adept_update
[11:09] <corey> r*
[11:09] <corey> oot     27950 27947  1 03:46 ?        00:00:13 adept-updater -icon adept_update'
[11:09] <corey> err
[11:09] <corey> admin    27941 25877  0 03:46 ?        00:00:00 kdesu -u root -c adept-updater '
[11:10] <praem> Try "sudo kill -9 27941"
[11:10] <corey> did
[11:10] <corey> still locked
[11:10] <lxuser> does anyone here live in germany or austria?
[11:11] <corey> both of those are closed and its still locked
[11:12] <lxuser> or does anyone know how much are the taxes/duties to deliver Kubuntu in these countries?
[11:12] <ccc_> lxuser: people at #kubuntu-de live in germany and/or austria for sure :)
[11:13] <praem> Hmm.
[11:13] <lxuser> I got it right now.. thanks.. ^^
[11:13] <corey> ;[
[11:13] <praem> Try "kill -9 27947"
[11:13] <praem> with sudo, of course.
[11:13] <corey> i killed them both
[11:14] <praem> 27947, too?
[11:14] <praem> Hmm.
[11:14] <corey> yep
[11:15] <semboy> hello -can my video cards be Good to play battle field 2
[11:15] <semboy> i cant play it on windows
[11:15] <semboy> can i play well in linux
[11:15] <semboy> :P
[11:15] <semboy> ?
[11:16] <desplesda> semboy: probably not, if it doesn't work under windows
[11:16] <semboy> but the video cards are stronger on linux??
[11:16] <semboy> right?
[11:17] <desplesda> i'm afraid not
[11:17] <semboy> i have Ge Force Fx 6600
[11:17] <semboy> and i am trying to play counter-strike source
[11:17] <praem> corey: could you "ls /var/lib/dpkg"?
[11:17] <semboy> so you are saying i cant play games like this?
[11:17] <desplesda> semboy: i have that card, and i have no trouble playing cs:s, have you considered cleaning out your installation of windows?
[11:18] <corey> yea?
[11:18] <praem> is there a file called "lock" in that directory?
[11:18] <corey> yep
[11:19] <praem> Try "sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[11:19] <corey> that worked
[11:19] <corey> but
[11:20] <corey> still locked :{
[11:20] <semboy> i have it duel boot
[11:20] <corey> different errors now though
[11:20] <semboy> desplesda
[11:20] <corey> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[11:20] <corey> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[11:20] <semboy> what program do you use?
[11:20] <semboy> man
[11:20] <semboy> ohhhhh i cant play cs it laggasss so much with wine
[11:20] <Flosoft> hey
[11:20] <semboy> i have not setup winecfg mybe
[11:21] <praem> Now try "sudo touch /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[11:21] <Flosoft> does anyone have any experience with a Multiseat System and Kubuntu?
[11:21] <corey> ok
[11:21] <corey> still get the error
[11:22] <uros> hi all. kaffeine hanging. in terminal i get message "[INFO]  If Kaffeine hangs here run 'configure --with-xinit-workaround' and recompile/reinstall." how do i do this configure thing?
[11:22] <semboy> how do i uninstall stuff ?
[11:22] <semboy> what command for uninstall
[11:22] <praem> try "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock"
[11:22] <praem> semboy: not you, sir.
[11:23] <ccc_> semboy: sudo apt-get remove <package>
[11:23] <corey> still got the message
[11:24] <praem> Very strange, corey
[11:24] <praem> Let me think about it.
[11:24] <corey> lemme just reboot
[11:24] <corey> brb
[11:25] <praem> That's a fair approach.
[11:28] <corey> hrmm
[11:28] <corey> when i restarted it said dpkg had been interrupted
[11:28] <corey> works now :)
[11:28] <praem> Not at all surprising.  There must have been another process locking it that was missed.
[11:28] <praem> C'est la vie.
[11:28] <corey> im pretty sure it was adept
[11:28] <corey> it crashed during update
[11:29] <corey> and when i reconfigured dpkg it finished update
[11:29] <praem> That's pretty unusual.  What was it doing?
[11:29] <corey> updatin
[11:29] <corey> g
[11:29] <corey> im trying to get network-manager
[11:29] <corey> but apt-get isnt recognizing the package for some reason
[11:29] <corey> E: Couldn't find package network-manager-kde
[11:30] <praem> Very strange.
[11:30] <corey> thats the package name according to kubuntus site
[11:30] <praem> Try "sudo aptitude install network-manager"
[11:31] <corey> No candidate version found for network-manager
[11:32] <praem> You know, I'm not finding the package "network-manager-kde" in synaptic.  So its not just you.
[11:33] <_rince_> corey: ist that, what you are looking for?
[11:33] <_rince_> root@nexus:~# apt-cache search network-manager
[11:33] <_rince_> knetworkmanager - User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager
[11:33] <corey> yes
[11:33] <ccc_> corey: did you enable universe?
[11:33] <corey> ah shit!
[11:33] <_rince_> corey: then check for [multi,uni] verse and try that exact package-name
[11:33] <corey> god i hate adept
[11:33] <corey> synaptics is much better
[11:34] <corey> can i do that thru adept?
[11:34] <ccc_> yes, click manage repositorys in the menu
[11:35] <MasterEvilAce> trying to get samba working fine w/ Shares on my network. is it okay to map guest account in smb.conf to my login account?
[11:35] <praem> One problem, folks: I have universe and multiverse available.
[11:36] <MasterEvilAce> praem: open a terminal thing and i think do a sudo apt-get update  and it'll refresh everything. i think i had to do that after i enabled multiverse, etc.
[11:36] <corey> god adept sucks
[11:36] <corey> it says uncomment it to enable universe
[11:36] <corey> how do you uncomment
[11:36] <praem> MasterEvilAce: That's alright, I've already refreshed.
[11:36] <praem> I think I had universe and multiverse enable minutes after I installed :)
[11:37] <ccc_> corey: right click it and choose enable.
[11:37] <ccc_> corey: if you don't like it, you can always install synaptic or any other package manager
[11:37] <praem> MasterEvilAce: I also wouldn't map guest to your login.
[11:37] <MasterEvilAce> hm
[11:37] <MasterEvilAce> okay
[11:37] <praem> Very scary business, that.
[11:38] <corey> its still not showing network-manager
[11:38] <_rince_> corey: you should give the console tools a try ;)
[11:39] <_rince_> corey: do "sudo apt-get update"
[11:39] <ccc_> corey: did you fetch updates?
[11:39] <corey> i did
[11:39] <corey> No candidate version found for network-manager
[11:39] <corey> E: Couldn't find package network-manager-kde           - rather
[11:40] <_rince_> corey: because the packages name is knetworkmanager
[11:40] <_rince_> corey: look at the output i pasted a few lines earlier
[11:40] <corey> thats not what the site says
[11:40] <corey> E: Couldn't find package knetworkmanager
[11:41] <_rince_> corey: then try searching it with apt: "sudo apt-cache search network-manager"
[11:41] <_rince_> if it doesn't show up, it is not available
[11:41] <corey> nothing
[11:42] <_rince_> that means you don't have multiverse nor universe available
[11:42] <_rince_> are you familiar with any editor and ready to do it by hand?
[11:44] <corey> hold on i got synaptic
[11:45] <corey> oh look it found it
[11:45] <corey> pos adept ;\
[11:45] <praem> Voila!
[11:45] <praem> I must say, I'm not very impressed with adept.
[11:46] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[11:46] <praem> I know that's blasphemy here, but what the heck.
[11:46] <MasterEvilAce> YaST i think it was, for SUSE was cooler, to me
[11:46] <Smeggy> hello i would like to run kubuntu on my toaster
[11:47] <_rince_> praem: the console-tools still are the most easy to use
[11:47] <MasterEvilAce> Smeggy: You must purchase a CD-Rom toast module and insert it to the top
[11:47] <Smeggy> MasterEvilAce, where do I acquire this?
[11:47] <MasterEvilAce> Smeggy: black market
[11:47] <praem> _rince_: I absolutely agree. Though in my case, I always replace "apt-get" with aptitude.
[11:47] <_rince_> my toaster runs netbsd of course :)
[11:48] <praem> Better dependency handling.
[11:48] <MasterEvilAce> Smeggy: Be aware, whatever OS you DO install.. it may be against the EULA you signed when you plugged in the toaster
[11:48] <Smeggy> MasterEvilAce, unfortunately my last black market got taken out by artillery
[11:48] <_rince_> praem: i never got familiar with aptitude because it was not available at the time i started using debian ;)
[11:49] <_rince_> http://www.netbsd.org/Changes/#toaster
[11:49] <MasterEvilAce> _rince_: ....
[11:50] <praem> ... Now that's old school.
[11:50] <Smeggy> so you think I should run netbsd instead of kubuntu?
[11:51] <_rince_> at least on the toaster :)
[11:51] <Smeggy> this is very interesting
[11:51] <MasterEvilAce> you guys scare me
[11:52] <Smeggy> i previously had windows on my toaster
[11:52] <Smeggy> but it set fire to my house
[11:53] <praem> At the campus ACM, we installed linux in a computer that was entirely inside a toaster oven.
[11:54] <Smeggy> do u think i would be better off with gnome or kde on my toaster?
[11:54] <praem> Neither.  Enlightenment is the way.
[11:54] <praem> ... for a toaster.
[11:55] <desplesda> Smeggy: shipovas are the answer
[11:55] <Smeggy> very interesting
[11:55] <uros> still problem. kaffeine won't start. in terminal i get message "[INFO]  If Kaffeine hangs here run 'configure --with-xinit-workaround' and recompile/reinstall." how do i do this configure thing?
[11:55] <Smeggy> no theyre the question des
[11:55] <MasterEvilAce> Okay. I have samba stuff setup. Windows can read Linux. Linux can read windows. However, neither can write to each other, despite the shared folders being not read-only.
[11:55] <desplesda> i see
[11:56] <_rince_> MasterEvilAce: windows and linux have a different understanding of file permissions
[11:56] <_rince_> in case of windows, none at all
[11:57] <_rince_> MasterEvilAce: when mounting windows-shares in linux, you have to tell mount which uid and gid to use
[11:57] <MasterEvilAce> I'm browsing via Samba Shares
[11:57] <MasterEvilAce> so i'm not manually mounting anything
[11:57] <MasterEvilAce> if that makes a difference
[11:57] <_rince_> the other way round, it should be managed by samba-server, but i can't remember the exact details
[11:58] <_rince_> good question ... never used that graphical stuff and have no windows at hand to try it
[11:58] <MasterEvilAce> ah
[12:00] <prashantk76> hi guys i have display problem
[12:01] <prashantk76> i have p3 toshiba laptop and after 3 min my display automaticaly off
[12:01] <MasterEvilAce> even with activity?
[12:01] <prashantk76> yeah
[12:02] <prashantk76> i allready disable screen saver
[12:03] <prashantk76> i am using xubuntu
[12:03] <semboy> hello how do i remove wine
[12:03] <semboy> from my system
[12:03] <icheyne> semboy, try with apt-get?
[12:04] <icheyne> or rather synaptic
[12:05] <semboy> what do you mean
[12:05] <semboy> man?
[12:05] <semboy> apt-get remove wine ?
[12:05] <semboy> sudo apt-get remove wine ?
[12:06] <MasterEvilAce> semboy: how did you install wine?
[12:06] <leafw> any hints on when is 6.06 to be released officially, so that 5.10 systems can be dist-upgraded ?
[12:07] <MasterEvilAce> leafw: I heard June 1st
[12:09] <ports> hi
[12:10] <prashantk76> hi
[12:11] <praem> leafw: June 1, I believe.  Then again, I'm running Dapper now, so I'm not so much caring. :)
[12:11] <ports> you got Dapper running..
[12:12] <icheyne> semboy, yes that's the way
[12:12] <ports> nice.. i tried upgrading to Dapper from Breezy and X/KDE died
[12:12] <praem> Ah. Well, I fresh installed on this system, so that wasn't so much of a problem.
[12:13] <ports> i shouldve done that
[12:13] <ports> it was a pain reinstalling kubuntu and upgrading
[12:14] <_rince_> when is upgraded from hoary to breezy at work, it worked like a charme
[12:14] <MasterEvilAce> i clean-installed dapper, and it's awesome. best linux i've used so far, heh
[12:15] <MasterEvilAce> is there anyway to make the mouse cursor not flicker when it plays animation
[12:21] <nico8481> hi
[12:24] <cvasilak> hi there, i had a small problem i am running dapper drake, after updating, when booting the initial screen is blank but i can reach kdm correctly.  how can set the kubunt uspash them again?
[12:25] <binary2k2> try reinstalling/reconfiguring usplash
[12:33] <ninHer> hi all
[12:34] <MasterEvilAce> hey
[12:38] <assasukasse> hello everyone
[12:41] <assasukasse> i have problems running kubuntu on my laptop, ubuntu runs fine instead, kubuntu gives me an error about sound then hangs there, i can move mouse but i can't click anything.
[12:42] <klerfayt> I got wacom eraser cursor and stylus in xorg.conf despite the fact that I don't have them_
[12:43] <gallvs> hi, is anybody using kubuntu 64bit?
[12:44] <icheyne> after logging onto a commandline session, how do I start up KDE?
[12:45] <MasterEvilAce> klerfayt: yeah that seems normal i suppose. I ahve wacom tablet stuff in mine as well
[12:46] <klerfayt> MasterEvilAce: I removed them ond restarted X
[12:48] <klerfayt> firefox; about:config; image.animation_mode - what is the value to disable it? "off"?
[12:51] <uniq> icheyne: 'startx'
[12:52] <icheyne> uniq, thanks :o)
[12:52] <icheyne> did some googling and startkde might work too?
[12:52] <uniq> startx invokes startkde..
[12:52] <icheyne> aha
[12:53] <icheyne> thx
[12:59] <klerfayt> what is the differece between hibernate and suspend?
[12:59] <ninHer> cool question ;-)
[01:00] <rob> hibernate is to sleep, suspend is to hang from something
[01:00] <klerfayt> in suse I had kpowersave and supend to ram and suspend to disk
[01:00] <ninHer> i guess klerfayt needs more details.......am i wrong ?
[01:01] <klerfayt> wich one of them is suspend to eam?
[01:01] <klerfayt> *ram
[01:01] <klerfayt> ok I'll try suspend first
[01:02] <klerfayt> here we go
[01:06] <klerfayt> grr why can't hardware just work?
[01:07] <klerfayt> after "suspend" I couldn't wake machine - only black screen; I had to power off manually
[01:09] <klerfayt> does it mean that my filesystem (reiserfs)is probably broken now?
[01:16] <mmport81> i read on /. something about ubuntu including sun java with it's new licence - can't be right - maybe i misread, anyone have anything else on that?
[01:22] <klerfayt> omg I got klaptop "suspend" working!
[01:22] <klerfayt> all I did was install nvidia-glx from multiverse
[01:23] <klerfayt> what does suspend do? is it same as suspend to ram?
[01:23] <twb`> There is some doubt as to whether kubuntu uses kdm or gdm by default.  Which is it?
[01:23] <klerfayt> kdm
[01:23] <twb`> Thank you.
[01:23] <mmport81> oh, conrgrats, any ideas on how to get suspecd to disk (hibernate) working - just generally...
[01:25] <Ryoga85> hi, i need help
[01:25] <Ryoga85> since i've installed some updates yesterday, I don't have sound no more
[01:28] <mmport81> oh right - don't have that hibernate button
[01:28] <mmport81> ...
[01:30] <Ryoga85> switch kernel
[01:30] <klerfayt> hmm what is hibernate? is it suspend to disk?
[01:30] <mmport81> i'd rather keep the stock breezy kernel
[01:30] <klerfayt> I lost my swap now
[01:30] <mmport81> yeh
[01:30] <klerfayt> is it serious?
[01:31] <klerfayt> susepend worked with nvidia drivers but hibernate did just shut down
[01:31] <mmport81> do you lose swap when using hibernate??
[01:31] <klerfayt> mmport81: I just did
[01:31] <mmport81> yeh that's what it's supposed to do
[01:31] <klerfayt> mmport81: how I get it back?
[01:32] <mmport81> it saves everything in ram to your HD, so when u boot up you start where you left off
[01:32] <mmport81> i've never got hibernate to work, so don't know
[01:32] <klerfayt> reinstall :) ?
[01:33] <mmport81> generally swap isn't used too much anyway
[01:33] <mmport81> - if you have enough ram...
[01:34] <klerfayt> http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2021/snapshot11mr.png
[01:35] <klerfayt> hmm I'll try reboot
[01:35] <Ryoga85> *works*
[01:37] <klerfayt> swap is gone
[01:38] <Ryoga85> swap is gone?
[01:38] <mmport81> yeh
[01:38] <mmport81> i suppose you could repartition your hd, and put a swap partition in there
[01:38] <Ryoga85> hmm
[01:38] <Ryoga85> klerfayt: after you went to hybernate mode?
[01:39] <mmport81> i thought hibernate would just use swap partition
[01:39] <mmport81> not use it solely for itself
[01:39] <klerfayt> Ryoga85: yes after hibernate
[01:39] <Ryoga85> klerfayt: because my swap is gone too *lol*
[01:39] <klerfayt> Ryoga85: lol
[01:40] <Ryoga85> and my sound doesn't work with kernel 2.6.15-23 :(
[01:41] <Ryoga85> but klerfayt, my laptop also didn't really come back from hybernate, it started like normal and complained thet the root fs was not clearly unmounted. did the same happen to you?
[01:43] <klerfayt> Ryoga85: indeed it was like normal start up after hibernate
[01:43] <klerfayt> Ryoga85: I didn't look at splash messages
[01:44] <klerfayt> suspend works (at least screen is shut down)
[01:45] <klerfayt> oh well looks like I need reinstall
[01:45] <Ryoga85> y?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> Ryoga85: why does your sound not work?
[01:47] <klerfayt> right I think I need to read manual cause I really don't know what is suspend and what is hibernate
[01:47] <Ryoga85> Hobbsee: I get no message or nothing, it just doesn't work (as in any linux distribution I tried before - Kubuntu Dapper is the first that works, except with the latest kernel)
[01:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: you around?
[01:47] <Ryoga85> klerfayt: it's poer saving modes
[01:47] <Ryoga85> *power
[01:48] <Hobbsee> ack...wonder what the problem was with the latest kernel...
[01:48] <klerfayt> Ryoga85: is suspend like suspend to ram?
[01:48] <klerfayt> Ryoga85: and hibernate suspend to disk?
[01:48] <Ryoga85> klerfayt: i think so, yes
[01:49] <klerfayt> Ryoga85: shouldn't I disconnect from irc then I click on suspend?
[01:49] <Ryoga85> Hobbsee: i'll try again to see if it was not my fault
[01:49] <Ryoga85> klerfayt: i dunno
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Ryoga85: ask crimsun about the sound.
[01:49] <klerfayt> could someone see if I disconnect then I "suspend"?
[01:49] <Ryoga85> ugh
[01:49] <Hobbsee> klerfayt: your suspend/hibernate thing is right
[01:49] <Ryoga85> partition type of my swap partition is "unknown"
[01:50] <Hobbsee> and no, you dont have to disconnect - it'll either leave a dead client, or make you ping timeout...
[01:50] <Hobbsee> usually it just leaves a dead client to ghost...
[01:50] <klerfayt> did I disconnect?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> no
[01:50] <klerfayt> so wth is suspend then?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> klerfayt: you testing out kpowersave or something?
[01:50] <klerfayt> just screen off or something?
[01:50] <Ryoga85> for me, it just turns off my monitor
[01:50] <Hobbsee> no, it should suspend to ram...it might work...
[01:50] <klerfayt> Hobbsee: klaptop
[01:50] <Hobbsee> urgh
[01:51] <Hobbsee> you on dapper?
[01:51] <klerfayt> yes dapper
[01:51] <Ryoga85> ok
[01:51] <Ryoga85> reboot
[01:51] <Hobbsee> klerfayt: install kpowersave
[01:51] <Hobbsee> it's less buggy
[01:52] <klerfayt> if I suspend my screen turns off and "ac pover led" starts blinking - to get machine working again I press any button on keyboard and after a fev seconds it comes back only screen is locked and I have to type password
[01:53] <klerfayt> I lost my swap after trying hibernate first time and hasn't come back
[01:54] <klerfayt> so in the end I guess only suspend works for me
[01:54] <Hobbsee> eek
[01:54] <Hobbsee> try kpowersave.
[01:54] <klerfayt> is it in main or universe?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> !info kpowersave dapper
[01:54] <ubotu> kpowersave: (frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.6.0-1ubuntu4 (dapper), Packaged size: 3199 kB, Installed size: 4924 kB
[01:54] <Hobbsee> universe
[01:55] <klerfayt> then it isn't supported?
[01:55] <klerfayt> how can it be less buggy in dapper?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> define your "supported"
[01:55] <Hobbsee> kpowersave is less buggy than klaptop
[01:56] <Ryoga85> ah, nice, I got myswap back :)
[01:56] <Ryoga85> *my swap
[01:56] <klerfayt> Ryoga85: how?
[01:56] <Ryoga85> klerfayt: I just reformatted the swap partition with linux-swap as filesystem using qtparted
[01:57] <Ryoga85> and the rebooted
[01:59] <Ryoga85> Hobbsee: my sound is gone again with kernel 2.6.15-23
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Ryoga85: you want to speak to crimsun about that
[02:01] <klerfayt> good news! hibernates doesn't work (doesn't shut down machine)
[02:01] <apu> can i test my 3drendering other ways?
[02:01] <apu> [not ith glxgears] 
[02:01] <Ryoga85> Hobbsee: where is crimsun?
[02:02] <klerfayt> sudo swapon -a   swapon: /dev/sda2: Invalid argument
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Ryoga85: possibly asleep
[02:03] <uniq> kpowersave is nice. a little bit better than the old klaptopdaemon :)
[02:03] <Ryoga85> hmm, ok, i'll come back later, maybe I meet him
[02:04] <Ryoga85> klerfayt: did you reformat the partition?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> uniq: definetly :)
[02:04] <klerfayt> Ryoga85: not yet; I found command swapon
[02:04] <Ryoga85> because that message appered on boot while my partition was not formatted
[02:04] <klerfayt> Ryoga85: but I do not know hot to use 2swapon"
[02:04] <klerfayt> Ryoga85: *swapon
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Ryoga85: he's at work
[02:04] <Ryoga85> klerfayt: i think it gets loaded automatically on boot
[02:04] <Ryoga85> Hobbsee: ty
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Ryoga85: /whois - and the away message
[02:05] <Ryoga85> Hobbsee: ?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Ryoga85: if you run a /whois on someone, it tells you how long they've been idle for...
[02:06] <Ryoga85> klerfayt: what's the size of your swap partition?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> and their away messages are usually descriptive
[02:06] <Ryoga85> Hobbsee: i'm channel operator on IrCQ-Net, i know how to use /whois ~_~
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Ryoga85: right.
[02:06] <Ryoga85> i just wonder why you told me
[02:07] <klerfayt> looking at /etc/fstab shows me that my swap partition is not mounted
[02:07] <uniq> klerfayt: what's your swap problem?
[02:08] <klerfayt> uniq: I lost it after "hibernate"
[02:08] <Ryoga85> uniq: yeah and I told him to reformat it because that worked for me but he just doesn't do it *lol*
[02:08] <klerfayt> uniq: look at your /etc/fstab is swap mounted under name "swap" ?
[02:08] <uniq> klerfayt: ok, lost as in deleted? removed from fstab? swapoff'ed?
[02:09] <klerfayt> uniq: it is in my fstab
[02:09] <klerfayt> uniq: /dev/sda2       none            swap    sw              0       0
[02:09] <uniq> klerfayt: /dev/hda4 none swap sw 0 0
[02:09] <uniq> that's correct.
[02:09] <uniq> given that /dev/sda2 is a swap partition.
[02:10] <klerfayt> uniq: sudo swapon -a gives error: swapon: /dev/sda2: Invalid argument
[02:10] <uniq> klerfayt: 'cat /proc/swaps'
[02:11] <klerfayt> uniq: it gives me nothing
[02:11] <uniq> klerfayt: ok, 'fdisk -l /dev/sda'
[02:11] <uniq> is sda2 there?
[02:11] <Ryoga85> uniq: in my case it was there but with unknown fs type
[02:12] <uniq> ok.
[02:12] <klerfayt> uniq: Ei suuda avada seadmefaili /dev/sda
[02:12] <uniq> what does that mean?
[02:12] <klerfayt> uniq: can't open device
[02:12] <klerfayt> uniq: can't open devicefile
[02:12] <uniq> ah.. 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda'
[02:13] <uniq> i forgot sudo.
[02:13] <uniq> my bad.
[02:13] <klerfayt> uniq: /dev/sda2             524         589      530145   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[02:14] <uniq> ok. looks ok to me.
[02:14] <klerfayt> uniq: I'll try mkswap command
[02:15] <uniq> now, 'sudo mkswap /dev/sda2'
[02:15] <uniq> yes.
[02:15] <klerfayt> uniq: done
[02:16] <klerfayt> uniq: reboot ?
[02:16] <uniq> no.
[02:16] <uniq> 'sudo swapon /dev/sda2'
[02:16] <klerfayt> uniq: ok I see it in kinfocenter now
[02:16] <uniq> and then 'cat /proc/swaps'
[02:16] <uniq> .. or kinfocenter :)
[02:17] <klerfayt> uniq: it's back! and it's green
[02:17] <uniq> now it should work.
[02:17] <uniq> you can test with swapoff -a
[02:17] <uniq> and swapon -a
[02:17] <uniq> to make sure it'll be brought up nicely at every boot.
[02:17] <klerfayt> uniq: sudo swapon/off -a ?
[02:18] <uniq> yes.
[02:18] <uniq> Now, I'll have to go be a familyguy. Bye.
[02:18] <klerfayt> uniq: ok thanks
[02:18] <klerfayt> uniq: swapon/off works
[02:18] <uniq> great.
[02:18] <uniq> bye.
[02:22] <GaiaX11> I've noticed that i have lots of broken symlinks. Is there a way of fixing them at once? Is there a command line or a program to to that?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> GaiaX11: if you know where they're supposed to go, use !symlink
[02:26] <GaiaX11> Could you give me an example. Please
[02:28] <klerfayt> is it normal that I got evms, mdadm-raid and lvm set to "yes" for "start at boot" ?
[02:36] <piotrek_> Hi everybody!
[02:36] <piotrek_> Do anyone know how can i install intel c++ compiler on kubuntu?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> !b-e
[02:37] <ubotu> or if you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, or get "make: command not found, then you need to do a    sudo apt-get install build-essential.
[02:38] <edulix> hi !
[02:38] <edulix> after doing an aptitude dist-upgrade and rebooting,
[02:38] <edulix> now klaptopdaemon doesn't show up in systray anymore
[02:39] <edulix> I've installed kpowersave instead to see if it was a problem of klaptopademon
[02:39] <Hobbsee> it probably was.  klaptopdaemon is very buggy.
[02:39] <edulix> and it says that it couldn't connecto to the HAL edaemon
[02:39] <edulix> I don't see any hal daemon in /etc/init.d :P
[02:40] <Hobbsee> it's there somewhere...
[02:40] <Hobbsee> i see it starting up on boot...
[02:40] <edulix> which one? in order to add it to /etc/rc2.d I need to know :)
[02:40] <edulix> (or rc5.d which ever it is )
[02:40] <Hobbsee> search for it?
[02:42] <piotrek_> http://www.linki.zhr.pl/upload/hmm.png
[02:42] <piotrek_> here is where the error starts..
[02:42] <piotrek_> while installing icc
[02:43] <edulix> /etc/init.d/dbus start
[02:43] <edulix>  * Starting system message bus dbus                                                         [ ok ] 
[02:43] <edulix>  * Starting Hardware abstraction layer hald
[02:43] <edulix> bingo
[02:43] <edulix> that seems to be
[02:43] <piotrek_> ?
[02:44] <edulix> piotrek_:I'm talking about my problem sorry ;)
[02:45] <piotrek_> ok ;)
[02:45] <piotrek_> http://www.linki.zhr.pl/upload/hmm.png
[02:48] <Hobbsee> piotrek_: it's one of the bottom last two...
[02:49] <piotrek_> i don't understand?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> th ebottom two options on your link...
[02:50] <uniq> number two from the bottom.
[02:50] <piotrek_> i have tried these options
[02:50] <piotrek_> 5 & 6
[02:50] <piotrek_> but i get incorrect option every time
[02:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's it...number 2 from the bottom
[02:51] <piotrek_> yes and 5 & 6 from the top
[02:51] <uniq> we have glibc 2.3.x
[02:51] <uniq> not 2.4.x
[02:52] <piotrek_> ok, i'll try now
[02:53] <piotrek_> A valid FLEXlm license is required to install this product.
[02:53] <piotrek_> No valid license was found in $INTEL_LICENSE_FILE (/home/piotr                                                                             ek/Desktop/l_cc_c_9.0.030:/opt/intel/licenses:/opt/intel/licen                                                                             ses:/licenses).
[02:53] <piotrek_> Where is a valid FLEXlm license for this product?
[02:53] <piotrek_> Enter path to directory or file, or port@host for counted lice                                                                             nses, or just press 'Enter' to exit   :
[02:54] <slow-motion> re
[03:02] <piotrek_> hmm probably nobody can help me :(
[03:02] <piotrek_> so i have another question
[03:02] <piotrek_> do anyone has widescreen laptop 1280x800 ?
[03:05] <corey> can someone tell me why my wlan0 interface isnt shown or brought up after I restart?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> corey: is it in /etc/network/interfaces?
[03:30] <sniff> apu: hi!
[03:30] <sniff> apu: my dad is called apu
[03:30] <sniff> apu: :)
[03:30] <apu> :DD
[03:31] <sniff> apu: he's called apu because he's my dad!
[03:31] <apu> the "father" or "daddy" in hungarian is "apu"
[03:31] <apu> i'm manage kubuntu for my father @ notebook
[03:31] <apu> :)
[03:31] <sniff> apu:  well his real name is Gabi but I call him apu :)
[03:31] <apu> :)
[03:31] <sniff> :D that's realy cool
[03:32] <sniff> my dad is Hungarian, but I'm English.... where in hungary are you?
[03:32] <apu> wow
[03:32] <apu> i'm in budapest
[03:32] <sniff> ah i have been there with my dad
[03:32] <sniff> we spent the summer at the ballaton too
[03:32] <apu> :D balaton is one "l" :DDDD
[03:33] <sniff> but i don't know budapest well. My brother and sister both speak hungarian fluently... but I can't :(
[03:33] <apu> but, i'm greets yours from budapest:D
[03:33] <apu> :)
[03:33] <sniff> hehe it's great to find a magyar on here
[03:34] <sniff> i'm living in china now though
[03:35] <menno_> my girlfriend speeks hungarian too
[03:35] <sniff> i speak chinese :)
[03:35] <menno_> her father is from Hungria
[03:35] <sniff> hungarian is great
[03:35] <apu> :))
[03:35] <sniff> hey
[03:35] <menno_> difficult
[03:35] <apu> yes:D but the world's nicest curses int hungarian:)
[03:35] <sniff> i forgot to say my mum also speaks/reads/writes hungarian... she is better with hungarian than most hungarians!
[03:36] <sniff> apu: no! in russian!
[03:36] <Hobbsee> !grub
[03:36] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[03:36] <sniff> apu:  mmmm how do you say... korvanyek?
[03:36] <apu> what is korvanyek?
[03:36] <sniff> mmm
[03:37] <sniff> how do you say
[03:37] <sniff> your whorey mother
[03:37] <sniff> i can say it very well but cannot write it
[03:37] <apu> moment i translate:D
[03:37] <sniff> "your mother was a whore"
[03:37] <apu> i dunno what whorey means from head:)
[03:37] <sniff> whore=prostiture
[03:37] <apu> whore is a job? at streets?
[03:38] <sniff> prostitute
[03:38] <apu> ohyeees:))
[03:38] <apu> its "Kurva anyd"
[03:38] <sniff> aha!
[03:38] <sniff> there you go!
[03:38] <sniff> kurba anyad
[03:38] <apokryphos> guys, please go to #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter
[03:38] <sniff> i wrote
[03:38] <piotrek_> Kurva is kurwa in polish :)
[03:38] <apokryphos> this is a support channel
[03:38] <piotrek_> this is very popular word here  :D
[03:39] <sniff> hehe oh yeah sorry about the off topic, it just seemed that since there was no on-topic stuff we may aswell go off-topic ;)
[03:39] <apokryphos> nope :)
[03:39] <apu> apokryphos: kurvanyd:)
[03:39] <apokryphos> .....
[03:39] <apu> sorry, i'm humorise:)
[03:39] <apu> my english is shit...
[03:40] <piotrek_> :)
[03:41] <apu> i found 2days ago a curse dictionary (hungarian-english)
[03:41] <apu> it's nice to see, moment i find it:)
[03:43] <judgen___> YAY they have fixed the "sudo kate" bug from breezy in dapper =)
[03:43] <judgen___> woot
[03:43] <apu> http://www.insultmonger.com/swearing/hungarian.htm
[03:43] <judgen___> now i can remove the pesky gedit
[03:43] <apu> sniff ^^:)
[03:43] <apu> jodgen__ nano is the best:D
[03:43] <sniff> ah
[03:44] <sniff> ok let me take a look
[03:44] <sniff> but i gotta get to bed
[03:44] <sniff> it's nearly 10 here and i haven't had a proper sleep in three days :(
[03:44] <apu> :DD
[03:44] <judgen___> apu: nano isnt graphical, and when moving around alot, its good to have kate. Though i agree that any pico-clone is nice too
[03:44] <sniff> cu l8er
[03:44] <menno_> i (newbie) like to know: is it possible/interesting to use hdparm for a SATA disk?
[03:44] <sniff> vim
[03:44] <apu> yes, judgen___it's true
[03:45] <sniff> is best editor
[03:45] <sniff> imo
[03:46] <judgen___> eeewww vim!
[03:46] <judgen___> emacs or pico-clone for me
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:52] <toby> test
[03:55] <corey> can someone tell me how i go about making network-manager auto bring up wlan0 ?
[03:55] <corey> i have to do these two commands each time i restart
[03:55] <corey>   sudo depmod -a
[03:55] <corey>   sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[03:56] <corey> for network manager to list a wlan0
[04:02] <Hobbsee> corey: in /etc/modules , add "ndiswrapper" at the bottom, then hit enter
[04:03] <corey> thats it?
[04:03] <apu> !thunderbird1.5
[04:03] <ubotu> from memory, thunderbird1.5 is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThunderbirdNewVersion
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> was going to sugest it,p but thought i might have missed some conversation :)
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey Hobbsee  :)
[04:04] <corey> thanks
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hi Kamping_Kaiser
[04:04] <Hobbsee> corey: should be
[04:04] <corey> ok thanks
[04:08] <corey> anyone know how to switch the colour depth? i cant seem to find the option
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> colour depts for X? you have to dpkg xorg afaik
[04:12] <corey> ;/
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[04:14] <corey> youd think thered be an option somewhere
[04:14] <elijahlofgren> corey: Option for what?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> corey: it's called ndiswrapper -m
[04:16] <Hobbsee> oh
[04:21] <Tombuntu> grawr
[04:21] <Tombuntu> breezy-updates?
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm?
[04:21] <Tombuntu> title says breezy fixes in breezy-updates
[04:22] <Tombuntu> i dont know what that means so im letting adept update-upgrade oh no 0 upgradable :(
[04:23] <Tombuntu> maybe you could share some of that wisdom for those of us new to the ubuntu scene
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tombuntu, lol. sorry. just a tic
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> open konsole (not sure the fastest way), type '`udo apt-get update` then `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> not in kde, so i cant say 'do this to open konsole'
[04:26] <elijahlofgren> K Menu -> System -> Konsole
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks elijahlofgren
[04:27] <gan|y|med> hallo
[04:28] <Tombuntu> Kamping_Kaiser: apparently no upgrades
[04:28] <gan|y|med> i have problems using a dvd-ram inlinux and windows
[04:28] <Tombuntu> i wanted me some breezy fixes too
[04:28] <Tombuntu> gan|y|med: dont use dvd-ram
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tombuntu, it was right then. wonder why it poped up :/
[04:29] <gan|y|med> when i copy files to it in linux, the file system becomes unusable in windows. it works the reverse. copied files in linux can be still read in linux though. any ideas?
[04:29] <Tombuntu> Kamping_Kaiser: its in the /topic for this room capn
[04:29] <gan|y|med> Tombuntu: that doesn't help me very much
[04:29] <Tombuntu> gan|y|med: use fat32
[04:30] <Hobbsee> i think that referred to the old breezy updates, where there were lots of breezy bugs...like the admin mode one
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tombuntu, do you have breezy-updates enabled?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> i dont know why that's still there, actually
[04:30] <Tombuntu> probably not oh well
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, probably so people know where to look (*or something*)
[04:30] <gan|y|med> and why doesn't udf work?
[04:31] <Tombuntu> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/main Sources
[04:31] <Tombuntu> yeah i guess im updated
[04:31] <mikmak> hello
[04:31] <mikmak> is there anything to configure a WPA network within kubuntu-dapper ?
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mikmak
[04:32] <mikmak> i found something shiny for WEP, but just nothing at all for WPA :/
[04:32] <Hobbsee> mikmak: knetworkmanager
[04:32] <mikmak> hmm not in the default install then :)
[04:33] <avirnig> hi all
[04:33] <Hobbsee> it is now...
[04:33] <Hobbsee> just not activated
[04:33] <mikmak> it's not installed here, and I installed that laptop on friday
[04:34] <erofee> hi all
[04:34] <erofee> i have a really basic question
[04:34] <avirnig> i was wondering if anyone here could help me with a problem i seem to have in kubuntu 6.06
[04:34] <erofee> what do i use to "make" a file
[04:34] <erofee> i tried to make a file but i had no c compiler
[04:35] <avirnig> "make" is the term used to compile files
[04:35] <avirnig> you probably do
[04:35] <erofee> yep, but what do i need to do it?
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> erofee, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:35] <avirnig> just open synaptic and do a search for make and if its not installed, then install it
[04:35] <erofee> great thanks, i'll give it a shot.
[04:35] <erofee> thanks to both of you
[04:35] <avirnig> np
[04:36] <avirnig> hey i got a question myself guys...
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> np erofee
[04:36] <Hobbsee> avirnig: shoot
[04:36] <avirnig> i'm trying to build a wireless access point based on kubuntu 6.06 (for the better wireless detection) and i cant seem to get it set up so both interfaces can be up at once
[04:37] <avirnig> i mean i can get them both enabled, but cannot surf the web when both are up
[04:37] <Hobbsee> er...
[04:37] <avirnig> if i disable one, i cna surf with the oen that is still enabled
[04:38] <avirnig> no there is a way, but im not sure how to do it
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> avirnig, are you changing the settings int eh gui?
[04:38] <avirnig> i know ill prolly have to bridge the 2 interfaces, and have thw wireless on a different subnet as eth0, but not sure what i need to do to do it
[04:38] <avirnig> yes
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> and whatinterfaces - both wireless?
[04:39] <avirnig> no one is build in 10/100 ethernet on motherboard, and other is wireless PCI card
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> make sure you set the default gateway
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> to be whatever it has to be
[04:39] <avirnig> i tried that
[04:39] <mikmak> Hobbsee: looks nice, thanks :)
[04:40] <avirnig> ubuntu doesnt like both to be up at once
[04:40] <mikmak> ciao
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> avirnig, strange. i cant promice anything, but can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file and `tail -n 30 /var/log/syslog`
[04:41] <avirnig> i can surf the web on either one if i disable the other one (wireless i use an external router obviously) but i want to set the ubuntu box up to take the place of the wireless router/access point that i use now
[04:41] <gan|y|med> does nobody use udf on windows and linux?
[04:41] <avirnig> im not on the box atm and its at work
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> avirnig, sounds like theres some conflict confusion when they are on then. are you on that box?
[04:42] <avirnig> no
[04:42] <avirnig> its at work
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, pity.
[04:43] <avirnig> im pretty sure i have to bridge the 2 interfaces, and set the wireless card in master mode, but not sure where to go from there and how to set up the dhcp server on the box to pass dhcp to clients on the wireless card
[04:44] <avirnig> i posted in the networking forums, but havent had any replies yet in 2 days
[04:45] <avirnig> i wish there was a tool in the system configuration window to do something similar to windows ICS
[04:45] <avirnig> would make it a whole lot easier
[04:45] <corey> what would cause this error: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[04:46] <avirnig> did you use sudo before the command?
[04:46] <corey> well thats thru X
[04:46] <corey> and i enter the password
[04:46] <corey> its doing it to everything
[04:47] <avirnig> hmmm sounds like a messed up password file then :/ and i dont know how to fix it
[04:47] <corey> ;/
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> souncs like your Xauth is stuffed
[04:47] <avirnig> if it is doing it to everything, then its prolly just that one file being messed up, but as i said, im not sure how to fix it
[04:47] <corey> me neither
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> corey, can you open konsole and type `ls -lah ~/.Xauthorization`
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> then paste it here
[04:48] <corey> no such file ;/
[04:49] <avirnig> anyway, once i get the box made into an access point, i will then use it for traffic monitoring, and NFS serving
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> corey, let me check
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> corey, sorry, its ``ls -lah ~/.Xauthority`
[04:50] <chx> how could I read the temperature of the video card? sensors-detect does not find anything nor does nvidia-settings (I am using binary nvidia driver)
[04:50] <corey> -rw-------  1 root root 119 2006-05-21 09:30 /home/admin/.Xauthority
[04:50] <corey> hrm it reset pass?
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> corey, type `sudo chown $admin.admin ~/.Xauthority`
[04:52] <corey> ok
[04:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> then try synaptic again (why are you trying to run synaptic on kubuntu though?)
[04:52] <corey> im not
[04:52] <corey> er
[04:53] <corey> i prefer synaptic over Adept
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> corey, Xauth usualy changes owner when yolu run sudo $someguiapp. like sudo k3  (for example)
[04:53] <corey> nope, still not working
[04:53] <gan|y|med> ciao
[04:54] <corey> well i just restarted is the thing
[04:54] <corey> i havent even done anything
[04:54] <evert_> hello , i'm making my own kernel for dapper . I'm following the newbie guide on the site. I'm having troubles with the command 'sudo make-kpkg clean'
[04:54] <evert_> he says 'command not found'
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb
[04:54] <corey> ill try restarting, brb
[04:59] <corey> hrmm that seemed to fix it
[05:00] <corey> idk what the deal was Kamping_Kaiser
[05:00] <Samuli^> evert, shouldn't that be make-dpkg?
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> corey, your authority file was owned by root, so you coldnt use it
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> *couldnt
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> you could have just logged out then in and the change would have picked up ok
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey neoncode
[05:04] <corey> yea idk what was wrong
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> your X authority file was owned by root, so you couldnt use it
[05:07] <corey> yea i think it happened when X messed up
[05:07] <neoncode> Kamping_Kaiser: Hey, long time no talk.
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> nebular, yep
[05:08] <corey> is it possible to get network manager to not have to prompt for my wallet password for my WEP key each time?
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> corey, what did you do
[05:08] <corey> well i tried to change to 32bit
[05:08] <Hobbsee> corey: does that happen every single time?
[05:08] <corey> and apparently the driver didnt like it
[05:08] <corey> yep
[05:08] <corey> everytime i connect to ym wifi
[05:08] <Hobbsee> you can usually tell kwalletmanager to save the password
[05:08] <corey> it asks me for the wallet so it can access the WEP key
[05:09] <Hobbsee> ah yeah
[05:09] <Hobbsee> there's a control for kwalletmanager in system settings
[05:09] <Hobbsee> corey: privacy tab
[05:10] <corey> er im not on kubuntu
[05:10] <Hobbsee> get rid of the password on it, and untick the boxes on close after last app
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[05:10] <corey> i havent installed the desktop
[05:10] <Hobbsee> right
[05:10] <corey> im tryin to find it on ubuntu
[05:10] <Hobbsee> alt+f2, kwalletmanager
[05:10] <Hobbsee> should work
[05:11] <corey> yea but ubuntu doesnt call it kwalletmanager, apparently
[05:13] <Hobbsee> ah yes, that may well be called by gnome keyring, come to think of it...
[05:13] <Hobbsee> there's a network-manager-gnome, IIRC
[05:13] <corey> yea its keyring i think
[05:13] <corey> i know ive seen it
[05:13] <corey> yet when i actually need to use it i cant find it
[05:13] <crimsun> Hobbsee: pong (took a nap)
[05:14] <klerfayt> Win32 codecs should be put in /usr/lib/codecs ?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> crimsun: there was a user needing help with sound
[05:14] <Hobbsee> crimsun: <Ryoga85>  - he was coming back later
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> klerfayt, do you have a tar? it should have a readme
[05:14] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ok
[05:14] <klerfayt> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm downloading it
[05:15] <Hobbsee> crimsun: sleep's overrated
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> klerfayt, grab a deb
[05:15] <klerfayt> Kamping_Kaiser: I prefer manual way
[05:15] <crimsun> Hobbsee: agreed, but I'm a mere mortal unlike bddebian ;-)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:15] <corey> god where is it
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> klerfayt, *shrug*
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol crimsun
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, :(
[05:23] <yogi> Can someone please tell me how one specifies a different gcc --3.x.x vs 4.x.x-- when compiling from source?  The particular pkg I am attempting to compile complains about gcc4.x.x during './configure'.
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yogi, you can change the gcc symlink to 3, or use export CC=gcc3.4 (iirc)
[05:25] <yogi> Kamping_Kaiser:Thanks.  Where does that symlink reside, exactly?  In /usr somewhere?
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> /usr/bin iirc
[05:26] <yogi> Kamping_Kaiser:No wonder I couldn't find it.  I was looking in /usr/lib. Thanks! :-)
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. np
[05:27] <amgat> Hi all. have any of you set up an enemy territory game server on ubuntu?
[05:28] <klerfayt> amgat: et is dead
[05:28] <amgat> uh no its not
[05:28] <amgat> the community is growing every day
[05:32] <tomplast> guys
[05:32] <tomplast> i need serious help here
[05:33] <tomplast> my cousin is using kubuntu since a while ago but he is seriously beginning to get tired of it
[05:33] <tomplast> i need help from you to correct some problems :'(
[05:33] <kosh> what are the questions?
[05:33] <tomplast> one are that the sound system is quite buggy
[05:34] <kosh> define buggy
[05:34] <tomplast> sometimes there aren't any sound in the flash movies / normal movies
[05:34] <klerfayt> tomplast: flash uses oss
[05:34] <kosh> sorry I don't know anything about flash and don't have it on any system
[05:34] <tomplast> klerfayt: doesnt  arts and oss cooperate?
[05:34] <kosh> they should just fine
[05:34] <oknewbie> Anyone know how to import vidoe from a digital vidoe camera, I supose I need a driver for it but I have no idea on this one
[05:35] <klerfayt> tomplast: I don't use arts
[05:35] <kosh> since on kubuntu/ubuntu the default is that if the sound card does not support multiopen then it uses dmix
[05:35] <kosh> and dmix will do sound mixing
[05:35] <klerfayt> kosh: problem is oss is not working with dmix
[05:35] <tomplast> klerfayt: so there is nothing todo?
[05:35] <kosh> wonder why
[05:35] <corey> ahh found the manager
[05:35] <corey> its hidden
[05:36] <kosh> alsa does oss emulation and dmix should work fine with that
[05:36] <corey> i dont see a way for it to remember it though
[05:36] <kosh> so even if flash uses oss it should work fine
[05:36] <klerfayt> kosh: not for me
[05:36] <kosh> hmm
[05:36] <tomplast> so using alsa for the system instead of arts could do it?
[05:36] <klerfayt> kosh: flash doesn't make sound here if e.g. amarok is playing
[05:36] <kosh> alsa and arts are entirely different things
[05:37] <kosh> I don't have any way to test that
[05:37] <kosh> since you can get a $30 sound card that will never have these issues
[05:37] <klerfayt> tomplast: before using flash make sure that soundcard is free to use
[05:38] <kosh> however I need to go to bed
[05:38] <kosh> if you want to just fix the problem get an audigy or sblive card
[05:38] <tomplast> klerfayt: what do you mean with that the soundcard is free to use=?
[05:38] <klerfayt> tomplast: nothing uses it
[05:38] <tomplast> klerfayt: you meant like that ;)
[05:39] <kosh> it is easier to just replace the sound card
[05:39] <kosh> then all kinds of problems will never happen again
[05:39] <klerfayt> isn't there a plugin for dmix to allow software mixing with oss?
[05:39] <tomplast> klerfayt: isnt it possible for several programs to use the card at the same time?
[05:39] <klerfayt> tomplast: it is
[05:39] <klerfayt> tomplast: if they use e.g. alsa
[05:39] <kosh> tomplast: for goods cards yes, for cheap cards and old cards no
[05:39] <klerfayt> tomplast: but flash uses oss
[05:39] <tomplast> also, http://www.se.map24.com/ is troubling my cousin alot
[05:39] <tomplast> using this site often hangs firefox
[05:39] <tomplast> and opera
[05:40] <jorik> is there something like dvd shrink for kubuntu ?
[05:41] <klerfayt> tomplast: looks like I was wrong http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin it is possible to mix sound with oss
[05:42] <visik7> no oss sucks
[05:42] <tomplast> k
[05:43] <klerfayt> visik7: but it says it should be possible?
[05:43] <klerfayt> just that craeting .asoundrc isn't an easy job
[05:43] <visik7> not easily IIRC
[05:43] <tomplast> also there is this annoying logout-bug
[05:44] <klerfayt> visik7: I'm going to try it
[05:44] <tomplast> sometimes everything just turns black when you try to logout or shutdown
[05:44] <tomplast> im using dapper drake btw
[05:44] <visik7> Tombuntu: /j #ubuntu+1
[05:45] <OutoLumo> Hi!
[05:45] <DeadS0ul> jorik : k9copy
[05:45] <OutoLumo> I would need some advice with scanning...
[05:47] <OutoLumo> Namely: My Epson Perfection 1260 Scanner is connected to USB, (according to KInfoCenter) but kooka cannot find it.
[05:48] <OutoLumo> I have libsane 1.0.15-9ubuntu6 installed.
[05:49] <OutoLumo> Also: gimp-quiteinsane can't find it.
[05:49] <OutoLumo> Any ideas?
[05:54] <OutoLumo> I guess I should enable the plustek backend somehow... But how?
[05:55] <klerfayt> visik7: I failed with .asoundrc still no sound in flash then something else is using alsa
[05:55] <OutoLumo> I do have the plustek backend installed - at least locate finds the files from appropriate place.
[05:58] <OutoLumo> modprobe scanner
[05:58] <OutoLumo> FATAL: Module scanner not found.
[05:59] <OutoLumo> Any ideas on that?
[05:59] <OutoLumo> (Running Breezy)
[05:59] <OutoLumo> bbl
[06:03] <visik7> klerfayt: is the same problem for me have u try to use aoss ?
[06:04] <bram85> hi, where is the option "View Properties Saved in Folder" in Konqueror. on non-kubuntus it's in the Settings menu
[06:04] <klerfayt> visik7: I don't care really. too complicated issue to try fixing it
[06:11] <txus> hi
[06:12] <txus> can anybody help me
[06:12] <txus> ?
[06:12] <txus> i ve a kubuntu dapper distribution
[06:12] <txus> fligh 6
[06:13] <txus> when i set the screensaver timer
[06:13] <txus> doest start start the screensaver
[06:14] <txus> but it work well when i push probe..
[06:14] <txus> sorry for my english :(...
[06:15] <txus> anyone with the same problem????
[06:17] <faster> hello
[06:19] <txus> hi
[06:29] <prashantk76> divx for xubuntu
[06:30] <txus> try to install w32codecs
[06:30] <prashantk76> ok cool thanks
[06:44] <cow_2001> it says that amarok 1.4 was released but doesn't warns about the lack of engines
[06:45] <CyberSix> they only support 2 engines now, i believe, and the amarok page does warn about it
[06:46] <cow_2001> it doesn't say there are no updated versions on the apt source
[06:46] <cow_2001> of the engines
[06:46] <jpgeerets> hi folks
[06:47] <jpgeerets> someone online?
[06:47] <jpgeerets> i have a dvd/firewire Q
[06:47] <cow_2001> i am, but you probably don't want any deal with me
[06:47] <jpgeerets> why i want any deal with you cow_2001 ?
[06:47] <jpgeerets> r u that bad?
[06:47] <jpgeerets> ;-)
[06:48] <cow_2001> maybe
[06:48] <cow_2001> jpgeerets, i just joined this channel only to complain
[06:48] <cow_2001> jpgeerets, it's not a nice behaviour
[06:48] <jpgeerets> well, if complain is good, then i think someone may complain
[06:49] <jpgeerets> i have a problem with an external dvd+/-RW
[06:49] <jpgeerets> when i want to connect it with firewaite
[06:51] <cow_2001> so really, there are no updated engines for amarok 1.4 in the apt source, you should warn about it
[06:53] <CyberSix> that's an amarok problem
[06:54] <seawolf__> hi all
[06:55] <prashantk76> i have one more problem my laptop display turn off after 3 min (if i work with mouse) i am using Xubuntu
[06:57] <cow_2001> CyberSix, but the packages amarok is dependant on are not there, which makes the amarok 1.4 package broken
[06:58] <cow_2001> i mean, it installs flawlessly, but the software itself is broken
[06:58] <CyberSix> odd, it works for me..
[06:58] <cow_2001> oh...
[06:58] <cow_2001> what engine are you using?
[06:59] <CyberSix> lemme check
[07:00] <CyberSix> oh, my bad, i'm still using 1.3, i didn't upgrade, as it isn't fully supported yet
[07:02] <larrywells> anyone previews the new Kubuntu??
[07:04] <larrywells> Dapper?
[07:04] <HymnToLife> lots of people I think
[07:04] <HymnToLife> !dapper
[07:04] <ubotu> **** News Flash **** Dapper has its own channel #ubuntu+1 please join there for dapper (the beta of the next release) configuration, install,  or other conversation, dapper will be in #ubuntu starting 1st of june :-) But not until than
[07:06] <larrywells> Thanks
[07:08] <mrfishhat> hi
[07:08] <mrfishhat> i updated to dapper last night
[07:08] <mrfishhat> and i was wondering
[07:09] <mrfishhat> why it wont let me apt-get amarok?
[07:20] <Cloud_tm> WHAT MAKES YOU ALL PREFER KUBUNTU OVER UBUNTU?
[07:21] <klerfayt> Cloud_tm: menu editor?
[07:21] <klerfayt> Cloud_tm: I'm used to kde
[07:22] <Cloud_tm> what does menu editor do?
[07:22] <klerfayt> Cloud_tm: it was a stupid joke
[07:23] <Cloud_tm> :d
[07:23] <CyberSix> what makes one prefer a binary distro over a source one? ;p
[07:23] <Cloud_tm> you guys are laid back compare dto the ubuntu channel
[07:23] <Cloud_tm> :)
[07:23] <CyberSix> are they nazis? ;p
[07:23] <Cloud_tm> why?
[07:24] <Cloud_tm> lol
[07:24] <Chousuke> CyberSix: I trust the distro guys to know which compiler flags work and which don't.
[07:24] <CyberSix> but the fun is in finding out for yourself ;] 
[07:24] <Chousuke> The performance gain you get from compiling yourself is negligible, so to me, it's just an added bother.
[07:24] <klerfayt> CyberSix: I have no idea what is source although I tried to learn about it
[07:24] <OutoLumo> re
[07:25] <CyberSix> i use em all.. hehe
[07:25] <Chousuke> CyberSix: not really. I can read manuals if I want to know such things. :)
[07:25] <CyberSix> currently running gentoo, kubuntu, pcbsd and freebsd, and they're all great
[07:26] <CyberSix> and looking for a way to get os x x86 onto an old lappy.. ;p
[07:26] <OutoLumo> Hmm... why is there no scanner module in ubuntu breezy kernel?
[07:26] <Chousuke> scanner module?
[07:27] <Chousuke> aren't those handled in userspace?
[07:27] <OutoLumo> yes
[07:27] <Chousuke> see the SANE packages.
[07:27] <OutoLumo> I've looked at them...
[07:28] <OutoLumo> I've been trying to use kooka, but I can't get the scanner recognised.
[07:28] <CyberSix> anything in dmesg when you plug it in?
[07:28] <OutoLumo> It should use the plustek backend. What do I need to do in order to detect it?
[07:29] <klerfayt> visik7: it's so simple!
[07:29] <klerfayt> visik7: thee is that tom?
[07:30] <klerfayt> visik7: *there
[07:30] <OutoLumo> dmesg: "usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5"
[07:30] <klerfayt> visik7: you need alsa-oss   and   kdesu kate /etc/firefox/firefoxrc   FIREFOX_DSP="aoss"
[07:31] <neoncode> i'm on a live CD, is it save to use this to backup a partion on my internal HDD to an external backup drive?
[07:31] <OutoLumo> kinfocenter tells that the in the usb-bus is EPSON scanner.
[07:31] <klerfayt> visik7: no need to mess around with asoundrc!
[07:32] <OutoLumo> SANE docs tell that this type is complitely supported by the plustek backend. There are plustek files in the system.
[07:32] <Cloud_tm> hmmm
[07:34] <OutoLumo> However, neither kooka nor quiteinsane (Gimp) recognise the scanner.
[07:35] <OutoLumo> (At least out of the box. They don't seem to recognise any local scanners (there is only this one).)
[07:36] <OutoLumo> ANy ideas?
[07:38] <fek> is a mirror of mirror.cc.columbia.edu available?
[07:38] <OutoLumo> sane-find-scanner reports: "No USB scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that you have loaded a driver for your USB host controller and have installed a ernel scanner module."
[07:39] <OutoLumo> This is to say, that according to documentation in the SANE packages, there should be a kernel scanner module. However, for ubuntu system, this beats me.
[07:40] <CyberSix> it's possib;e your particular scanner is not supported, or has no module compiled
[07:41] <mart> does oo.o work on 64 bit for anyone?  it starts here, but I can't get - for example - the file->open dialog box to work.
[07:41] <mart> sorry, this is maybe a question for #ubuntu+1, as I'm on dapper.
[07:42] <CyberSix> i don't have anything 64 bit anyway.. hehe
[07:43] <OutoLumo> CyberSix: According to SANE documentation, it is complitely supported, and it works fine in my own computer (which runs dapper, and is located 3 miles from here...)
[07:44] <CyberSix> OutoLumo: maybe try an lsmod command to see what modules are loaded, and compare them?
[07:44] <OutoLumo> Cyber, done that, no use.
[07:45] <CyberSix> no use, as in they are identical?
[07:49] <OutoLumo> compare them with what? I've looked at the lsmod list, and there was nothing useful.
[07:49] <andreas___> Ein freundliches Hallo in die illustre Runde  :-)
[07:50] <Snake__> !de
[07:50] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu oder Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de
[07:50] <OutoLumo> As well have I looked at any modules I've found in the filesystem (/lib/modules) and that was in vain too...
[07:50] <andreas___> Hmm .. bin ich etwas schon drinn???
[07:51] <stamen81> hi
[07:51] <andreas___> Hi stamen81
[07:51] <stamen81> I have a problem with NVIDIA
[07:52] <stamen81> who can help me
[07:52] <andreas___> Whats hapen stam??
[07:52] <Snake__> andreas___: Dieses ist eine englische Fhrung, wenig sprechen Deutsches hier, folglich, warum ich einen bersetzer benutzen mute:)
[07:52] <stamen81> I have installed the drivers from the NVIDIA web site
[07:52] <jpatrick> Snake__: whatever the hell that means
[07:52] <stamen81> and what happend now
[07:52] <stamen81> when I started the X
[07:53] <Snake__> jpatrick: :)
[07:53] <stamen81> the fonts are smaller than before
[07:53] <stamen81> I can't start amarok
[07:53] <stamen81> or mplayer
[07:53] <stamen81> and the kcontrol crachesh when I go to screnn saver section
[07:53] <stamen81> the screen goes black
[07:54] <stamen81> and I can't see anything
[07:54] <Snake__> jpatrick: I was telling him hardly anyone here speaks english
[07:54] <Snake__> err...
[07:54] <Snake__> german
[07:54] <Snake__> :)
[07:54] <jpatrick> Snake__: lol
[07:54] <stamen81> I changed the graphic card from ATI to NVIDIa
[07:54] <stamen81> so what to do
[07:54] <OutoLumo> CyberSix: To be more specific: There is no "scanner" module in /lib/modules/X.XX/kernel/drivers/ that is referenced in the sane documentation. The usbcore module is present.
[07:54] <stamen81> andreas
[07:55] <Snake__> stamen81: he stepped out
[07:55] <stamen81> :(
[07:55] <stamen81> could you help me Snake
[07:55] <stamen81> tell me what to do
[07:55] <Snake__> stamen81: Whats your issues?
[07:55] <Snake__> Then ill tell you :)
[07:56] <stamen81> what you mean with issues
[07:56] <Snake__> stamen81: what problems are you having? What do you need help with
[07:56] <stamen81> Snake__,  I wrote the problems
[07:57] <stamen81> read them
[07:57] <stamen81> :)
[07:57] <Snake__> stamen81: are you trying to get nvidias video drivers? (I assume?)
[07:58] <stamen81> I got them
[07:58] <stamen81> from the web site
[07:58] <stamen81> the setup tell me that all was compiled
[07:58] <stamen81> and working
[07:59] <stamen81> the xorg.conf was preconfigures
[07:59] <Snake__> okay
[07:59] <Snake__> soo wheres the problem? :)
[08:01] <obscurite> hmm, in kmail every other email in the message list is black and i can't see the text
[08:01] <obscurite> any ideas?
[08:01] <stamen81> Snake__,  the problem is in this that I can't watch movies
[08:01] <stamen81> I cant load mplayer, amarok
[08:02] <stamen81> and I cant set up my screen saver
[08:02] <mart> obscurite: kmail uses the kde colour scheme, check K menu->System Settings->Appearance->colors
[08:02] <stamen81> the screen goes blank when I try to change the screen saver
[08:02] <stamen81> Snake__,  and the fonts are very small and hard to read
[08:03] <stamen81> when I was with ATI they were OK
[08:03] <mart> obscurite: see the "Alternate" entry in widget colour pull-down box.
[08:03] <stamen81> but now sucks
[08:03] <stamen81> what to do
[08:03] <Snake__> stamen81: what kind of movies? dvds?
[08:03] <obscurite> i had to select keramik color scheme to match keramik theme
[08:03] <obscurite> why can't it do that automagically :P
[08:03] <Snake__> stamen81: and I dont know about the fonts
[08:03] <stamen81> which drivers are the best for now and working corectrly for NVIDIA and where I can find them
[08:03] <obscurite> if i'm using a theme, don't i want colors that actually work with that theme
[08:04] <Snake__> !nvidia
[08:04] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:04] <Snake__> Ehh
[08:04] <stamen81> I want my system to work again perfectly
[08:04] <OutoLumo> "mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb" returns "mount: unknown filesystem type 'usbdevfs'" What should I do?
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> OutoLumo mount -t usbfs
[08:05] <obscurite> anyone running kubuntu on 512mb or less?
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> obscrite: Too slow on 256Mb (I am running kanotix fine on that though with kde)
[08:07] <h3sp4wn> obscrite: xubuntu is fast on 256Mb also
[08:07] <Snake__> obscurite: im runnin it on a P3 with 512
[08:07] <OutoLumo> h3sp4wn: usbfs is mounted...
[08:07] <OutoLumo> obscurite: I am.
[08:07] <obscurite> snake - cool. how many apps do you run at once?
[08:08] <Snake__> obscurite: right now I have yakuake + screen + irssi running for IRC, Kopete, amarok, klipper, and firefox
[08:08] <Snake__> speed is fine
[08:08] <obscurite> snake - cool
[08:08] <obscurite> kde4 is supposed to be more effecient right?
[08:08] <Snake__> Not sure, I doubt it
[08:09] <Snake__> KDE is a eye candystory
[08:09] <Snake__> candystore**
[08:09] <h3sp4wn> Obscurite: sorry I was looking at the wrong screen mount -t procbususb (if you are using dapper)
[08:09] <mart> obscurite: heh, well it's more efficient for somethings... but since it doesn't exist yet, it's hard to make comment
[08:09] <OutoLumo> h3sp4wn: breezy, in fact, but ty :-)
[08:10] <obscurite> mart - that makes it super light weight
[08:10] <Snake__> obscurite: if you want effiecent, check into xfce
[08:10] <h3sp4wn> OutoLumo: I thought it was mounted by default in breezy
[08:10] <mart> obscurite: there's a page on the kde wiki about to improve performance
[08:10] <obscurite> snake - i tried xubuntu for a day and was put off
[08:10] <obscurite> mart - yeah, been meaning to read that
[08:10] <mart> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Performance%20Tips
[08:11] <uwo> hi all. followed wiki on compiling ffmpeg to encode video for ipod (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iPodVideoEncoding?highlight=%28ipod%29). the new ffmpeg however works only with sudo, without i get "bash: /usr/bin/ffmpeg: No such file or directory". why?
[08:11] <uwo> with sudo it works normally. how could i get it to work without sudo, so i could create a script?
[08:14] <macd> uwo: set it suid
[08:28] <obscurite> anyone know how to make the clock display 12 hour time format?
[08:30] <jpatrick> obscurite: good question
[08:30] <obscurite> jpatrick haha
[08:32] <obscurite> ahh, figured it out
[08:32] <jpatrick> how?
[08:33] <obscurite> well it didn't take effect yet, but right clock on clock, then date and time format. time and dates tab - select date format with AM/PM
[08:33] <kronoz> !easysource
[08:33] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:33] <crazy_penguin> evening!
[08:33] <kronoz> evening crazy_penguin
[08:33] <jpatrick> obscurite: ah, cool
[08:34] <kronoz> hey that tab autocomplete thing from BASH also works in konversation
[08:34] <jpatrick> yep
[08:36] <uwo> macd: how do i set it suid?
[08:51] <lwizardl> hi
[08:53] <lwizardl> can someone point me to a page for sharing a folder between ubuntu pc's
[08:55] <apokryphos> lwizardl: no idea if there's a better way, but what I recommend doing is having a shared folder on one PC, then settings up ssh keys and having a link on desktop to
[08:56] <apokryphos> fish://username@ip/some/folders
[08:56] <apokryphos> if you wanted to confine the other users to only that folders, then you could set up a new user for them to log in under
[08:57] <lwizardl> apokryphos, ok thats sounds to be a decent secure way to do it
[08:57] <apokryphos> quite easy too
[08:57] <lwizardl> wanna explain ?
[08:57] <apokryphos> lwizardl: I can walk you through it if you like, I guess
[08:57] <jpatrick> !tell ferronica about sources
[08:58] <uwo> still q:  ffmpeg works only with sudo, without i get  "bash: /usr/bin/ffmpeg: No such file or directory". i want it to run without sudo (no password) i was told to set it suid. what does this mean?
[08:58] <lwizardl> ok in main channel or in pm?
[08:58] <uwo> how do i do this i mean?
[08:58] <apokryphos> lwizardl: should be fine here, I guess, not too long.
[08:58] <lwizardl> ok
[09:00] <apokryphos> lwizardl: there's quite a few decent ones out there, but this is a quick n' dirty one and should be fine http://hacks.oreilly.com/pub/h/66
[09:07] <apokryphos> lwizardl: lmk when that's done
[09:09] <uwo> has anyone here managed to transfer videos to ipod video. need a hint...
[09:11] <Bizzeh> are play4sure (MTP) devices supported in kubuntu?
[09:12] <trym> what is the name of that app launcher that looks like the one in osx ?
[09:12] <apokryphos> !katapult
[09:12] <ubotu> somebody said katapult was an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[09:12] <trym> well more like an application bar
[09:13] <trym> the one where the icon expands when you mouseover
[09:13] <apokryphos> trym: what?
[09:13] <uwo> trym: starterbar theme with (super)karamba
[09:14] <trym> hmm
[09:14] <apokryphos> ohh, a dock
[09:14] <apokryphos> trym: kxdocker and ksmoothdock are the most popular ones
[09:14] <trym> great :) anyone know which one is best to use with xgl/compiz ?
[09:15] <apokryphos> worth trying both, I guess
[09:15] <apokryphos> kxdocker is in the repositories,I believe
[09:15] <apokryphos> ksmoothdock is available from...
[09:15] <apokryphos> !ksmoothdock
[09:15] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, apokryphos
[09:15] <apokryphos> hm
[09:15] <lwizardl> apokryphos, ok
[09:15] <apokryphos> !nalioth
[09:15] <ubotu> methinks nalioth is nalioth's repos at http://nalioth.hostdestroyer.com
[09:16] <lwizardl> apokryphos, done that
[09:16] <apokryphos> there
[09:16] <apokryphos> lwizardl: ok, is it set up and working properly?
[09:16] <lwizardl> well i have the ssh keys
[09:17] <apokryphos> lwizardl: if all the instructions were followed, in a terminal there now try to type "ssh username@otherserver"
[09:17] <apokryphos> if it logins passwordless then they're set up properly
[09:17] <apokryphos> (presuming you set no password for the ssh keys)
[09:22] <Bizzeh> ok, im missing just a few small things for me to switch from xp to kubuntu
[09:23] <toybox> hello
[09:23] <DarkED> what kind of things can i do to make kde use less memory? When i have firefox, xchat, amarok and kopete open i start dipping into swap
[09:23] <Bizzeh> 1. creative zen xtra (P4S MTP) support. 2. a decent c++ dev environment. 3. better hardware acelleration for gfx
[09:23] <DarkED> it doesnt seem right...
[09:23] <Bizzeh> and a few other less anoying things, but are still anoying
[09:24] <apokryphos> DarkED: consider not using firefox and xchat
[09:25] <DarkED> apokryphos, what should i use as a replacement? i know konq for firefox, but ... konversation?
[09:25] <apokryphos> amarok is a bit heavyweight as an audio player; there are very decent alternatives, but I'd probably still use it if I was on a more lightweight system
[09:25] <apokryphos> yup
[09:25] <toybox> amule wont open for me is there something i can do?
[09:25] <DarkED> apokryphos, ok, ill try :D
[09:25] <apokryphos> DarkED: both of them are very good alternatives 8)
[09:25] <DarkED> apokryphos, i like amarok because it displays the covers to all my albums so...
[09:25] <apokryphos> I very rarely dive into firefox, and have never gotten into xchat
[09:25] <DarkED> apokryphos, yeah i love konq for a filesystem browser
[09:25] <apokryphos> that is nice, but other players do that too
[09:26] <apokryphos> I love it for browsing :P
[09:26] <DarkED> apokryphos, they do?
[09:26] <apokryphos> khtml is the shiznit
[09:26] <apokryphos> DarkED: I think juk had it even before amarok
[09:26] <apokryphos> I know banshee has it too, but hey
[09:26] <DarkED> apokryphos, ok thanks
[09:26] <DarkED> apokryphos, yeah im a converting windows user so im used to firefox
[09:26] <silv3r> hi
[09:26] <DarkED> apokryphos, dont know many of the apps yet...
[09:27] <toybox> hey
[09:27] <apokryphos> oh ok :)
[09:27] <DarkED> well ill brb
[09:28] <DarkED> ooh...konversation is nice
[09:29] <DarkED> will juk add my wma's to my collection?
[09:29] <ryanakca> hmmm... I'm currently have kmail, configured according http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_KMail_gpg-agent_kde. I can send signed and/or encrypted messages fine, but when I recieve them, and double click them, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/729617  , even though I haven't entered a passphrase, when I click retry, it doesn't prompt me for a passphrase... what do I do?  I am currently using kubuntu dapper drake, with kde version 3.5.2
[09:36] <apokryphos> DarkED: with gstreamer output and mad installed I'd certainly presume so, yes
[09:37] <apokryphos> though I'd still say amarok was quite a bit better than juk
[09:40] <DarkED> apokryphos: juk isnt seeing any of my files :D
[09:40] <DarkED> apokryphos: i know i have gstreamer and ffmpeg
[09:40] <DarkED> apokryphos: and im pretty sure i have mad
[09:40] <apokryphos> gstreamer0.8-mad is installed?
[09:40] <DarkED> apokryphos: lemme check
[09:41] <DarkED> (i think its the taglib problem)
[09:41] <apokryphos> hm, could be actually; I think tag-support for wmas was added in 1.4
[09:41] <DarkED> apokryphos: yep
[09:41] <DarkED> apokryphos: well, in amaroK it was
[09:42] <DarkED> apokryphos: but it doesnt transfer to any other app afaik
[09:42] <apokryphos> guess juk wouldn't cut it then
[09:42] <DarkED> banshee did read them all
[09:42] <DarkED> but its a memhog as well
[09:42] <apokryphos> use amarok, but make sure you  have things like "watch folder for changes" is disabled
[09:42] <DarkED> ik
[09:42] <apokryphos> yeah, banshee isn't great
[09:42] <DarkED> ok*
[09:42] <apokryphos> but it has daapd server+client
[09:42] <apokryphos> which is something nice that amarok doesn't have at all
[09:43] <DarkED> well, banshee is good for a gnome user ;)
[09:43] <apokryphos> yes
[09:43] <_mark> how do i enable ssh
[09:44] <DarkED> im guessing crossfading would take up alot more memory as well?
[09:44] <apokryphos> _mark: is openssh-server or whatever installed?
[09:44] <apokryphos> DarkED: I think it takes a little more, yes.
[09:44] <_mark> apokryphos: not sure... i just have basic kubuntu installed, do i have to apt-get it?
[09:45] <DarkED> apokryphos: thanks for all the help
[09:45] <DarkED> im gonna reboot and see how this changes things
[09:45] <apokryphos> _mark: sudo apt-get install ssh
[09:46] <apokryphos> DarkED: no need to reboot :P
[09:46] <DarkED> no...my swap stays used :D
[09:46] <_mark> k thanks
[09:46] <_nicu> #romania
[09:46] <apokryphos> DarkED: shouldn't matter
[09:46] <_nicu> ./#romania
[09:46] <_nicu> ./romania
[09:46] <jpatrick>  /join ....
[09:47] <DarkED> hehe
[09:47] <_mark> apokryphos: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:47] <DarkED> yeah /join #chan
[09:47] <apokryphos> _mark: close adept
[09:47] <_nicu> thanks
[09:47] <_mark> im not sure adept is open
[09:47] <apokryphos> _mark: or, make sure you're sudo
[09:47] <DarkED> _mark: if nothing is open, just reboot
[09:47] <apokryphos> no :P
[09:47] <jpatrick> _mark: fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[09:47] <apokryphos> never reboot on gnu/linux :D
[09:47] <apokryphos> I guess he didn't use sudo
[09:47] <DarkED> apokryphos: yeah it happens to me sometimes because i have a crap wifi connection
[09:48] <_mark> k
[09:48] <_mark> thanks
[09:48] <DarkED> apokryphos: ill be apt-get updating and it freezes in the middle of the list
[09:48] <apokryphos> DarkED: just kill any dpkg/apt proccesses then and re-enter the command
[09:49] <apokryphos> if the lock is still there, just delete it and try again
[09:49] <_mark> brb
[09:49] <jpatrick> night
[09:49] <apokryphos> night jpatrick =)
[09:50] <DarkED> apokryphos: well i tried that, told me i didnt have correct permissions
[09:50] <jpatrick> hmm, school tomorrow...
[09:50] <apokryphos> DarkED: use sudo =)
[09:50] <DarkED> i wish i could chmod everything except the root folder 755
[09:50] <apokryphos> school, yuck
[09:50] <apokryphos> no
[09:50] <DarkED> apokryphos: how do i use sudo to kill a process?
[09:50] <apokryphos> DarkED: that's not how linux works. There's a reason they have given permissions :)
[09:50] <DarkED> apokryphos: yes i know :D
[09:50] <apokryphos> DarkED: sudo killall <applicationname>
[09:51] <apokryphos> or sudo kill PID
[09:51] <DarkED> apokryphos: wow i didnt know you could do that
[09:51] <apokryphos> find out whether an application is running the background and its PID by ps ax|grep applicationname
[09:51] <DarkED> apokryphos: i've been using ksysguard
[09:51] <apokryphos> you can use that too
[09:51] <DarkED> i gotta get out of this windows mentality
[09:51] <apokryphos> but it's not useful if the application is run by root :P
[09:51] <DarkED> apokryphos: yeah i see
[09:51] <DarkED> apokryphos: i think i get it now
[09:52] <GlassCasket> Is there an advantage using ReiserFS instead od ext3?
[09:52] <apokryphos> GlassCasket: yes
[09:52] <DarkED> brb
[09:52] <DarkED> oh wait no
[09:52] <DarkED> i wanna hear this
[09:52] <DarkED> :D
[09:53] <apokryphos> ReiserFS is typically a lot better on smaller files, and outperforms on many i/o cases
[09:53] <apokryphos> on the other hand, reiserfs partitions take a lot longer to mount
[09:53] <GlassCasket> So boot up time may take a little longer.
[09:53] <apokryphos> http://wikipedia.org/wiki/reiserfs and http://wikipedia.org/wiki/ext3 are good
[09:53] <DarkED> so...you have a longer boot time
[09:53] <GlassCasket> lol
[09:53] <apokryphos> GlassCasket: yes, particularly if they're larger partitions
[09:53] <aseigo> apokryphos: i thought most of the performance differences had been worked out
[09:54] <apokryphos> all the benchmarks I've seen show a clear (though not amazingly large) advantages in that case to reiser
[09:54] <apokryphos> reiser3 is old and dated, sure
[09:54] <GlassCasket> So for root, reiserfs should do fine.
[09:55] <apokryphos> all the big issues with reiser, really, were addressed. It used to have big problems with corrupt filesystems
[09:56] <apokryphos> GlassCasket: I'm not sure how it is at all on ubuntu with reiserfs, but on my suse partitions I always use reiserfs, yes
[09:57] <apokryphos> reiserfs is dramatically better with many small files, in comparison to ext3
[09:57] <DarkED> is it normal for kde to use 300meg on startup?
[09:57] <apokryphos> (and outperforming ext3 on I/O operations is a plus too, of course)
[09:58] <apokryphos> DarkED: 300meg of space?
[09:58] <apokryphos> I'd say that was a default kde install, or so, yeah
[09:58] <DarkED> no
[09:58] <DarkED> 300meg of ram
[09:58] <DarkED> on startup
[09:58] <DarkED> with just konversation running
[09:58] <apokryphos> you can't really say that in gnu/linux
[09:58] <apokryphos> usage of ram isn't that simple
[09:59] <apokryphos> it'll try to not make any ram go to waste, so if there's free ram it'll likely be using it. For caching etc
[09:59] <DarkED> well yeah
[09:59] <DarkED> but it would seem that it would use less...
[09:59] <apokryphos> nope
[09:59] <apokryphos> with running absolutely no programs I can give you a ram monitor showing that it's using close to all 1 gig of it
[09:59] <apokryphos> open 30 applications, and it'll be close to the same
[10:00] <roc> a question: is there any possibility to get kdevelop to run on kubuntu?
[10:00] <DarkED> apokryphos: ahh i see how it works
[10:00] <DarkED> apokryphos: yeah see its a little of a problem cause i only have 512 meg :D
[10:00] <RadiantFire> roc: yes
[10:00] <apokryphos> roc: of course :). Install from adept
[10:00] <RadiantFire> I have it up and running as we speak
[10:01] <DarkED> apokryphos: i have one more question :D
[10:02] <DarkED> is there any way to generate a list of the packages i have installed so if i reinstall ubuntu i can just feed in the list and have it redownload everything?
[10:02] <DarkED> ive spent a lot of time apt-getting :D
[10:02] <apokryphos> dpkg -l gives you a list of all installed packages
[10:03] <apokryphos> but for a new install it's worth using easyubuntu, if you've already gone through the process
[10:03] <DarkED> so...easyubuntu would install all this stuff for me?
[10:03] <apokryphos> ubotu: easyubuntu
[10:03] <ubotu> easyubuntu is, like, an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/.
[10:03] <RadiantFire> It probably wouldn't be to hard to convert the list dumped by dpkg -l into something to feed to apt-get though
[10:04] <DarkED> RadiantFire: yeah thats what i had in mind
[10:04] <cow_2001> i have a friend with warty warthog
[10:04] <DarkED> i have about 1500 packages installed, all but 10 or so came directly from the repos
[10:05] <RadiantFire> I wonder if there is something like kickstart for debian
[10:05] <RadiantFire> that would probably be what you are looking for DarkED
[10:05] <DarkED> well maybe there is another way
[10:05] <apokryphos> it's quite easy to, sure
[10:06] <apokryphos> but not entirely sure that it's the best idea :P
[10:06] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody has working xgl on kubuntu?
[10:06] <RadiantFire> I thought apt-get installs behavior ignores and installation package if it is already the latest version
[10:06] <RadiantFire> so piping that list to apt-get would just install the packages you don't have
[10:06] <apokryphos> it does
[10:07] <apokryphos> different computers have different packages, though this wouldn't be a problem as much really on the same PC
[10:07] <DarkED> could i just backup the entire partition like norton ghost does or something?
[10:07] <apokryphos> presuming it's the same version of ubuntu as well
[10:09] <RadiantFire> DarkED: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
[10:09] <DarkED> RadiantFire: thanks :D
[10:09] <RadiantFire> I'm not sure if that is quite what you are looking for
[10:09] <RadiantFire> the website said it was analagous to kickstart though
[10:13] <g0dchild> Hi- i tried source-o-matic to see if i can get the latest amarok releases- but when i run apt-get update, i get a lotta GPG errors
[10:13] <g0dchild> is anyone having the same prob?
[10:14] <apokryphos> g0dchild: kubuntu.org
[10:14] <apokryphos> follow instructions there to upgrade amarok
[10:14] <g0dchild> k, thanks
[10:16] <mrfishhat> i switched to dapper last night and now upon reinstalling amarok t cant une the gstreamer engine, why?
[10:17] <apokryphos> mrfishhat: gstreamer support for 0.8 was dropped in 1.4
[10:17] <apokryphos> they only support 0.10  now, which ubuntu doesn't provide, so you're gonna have to use xine
[10:18] <mrfishhat> apokryphos: and with xine, how would i go about getting mp3 support?
[10:19] <apokryphos> mrfishhat: hm, on breezy xine was in universe came with mp3 support, but I guess that's changed in dapper
[10:19] <apokryphos> !find xine
[10:20] <apokryphos> !info libxine-extracodecs dapper
[10:20] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: (the xine video/media player library, binary files), section multiverse/libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), Packaged size: 1148 kB, Installed size: 2976 kB
[10:20] <apokryphos> mrfishhat: try that package
[10:20] <cow_2001> my friend is using warty, does he have to dist-upgrade into hoary and then dist-upgrade into breezy or can he dist-upgrade right into breezy?
[10:20] <cow_2001> !warty
[10:20] <ubotu> warty is probably short for warty warthog which is the first release of ubuntu
[10:20] <klerfayt> why can't I have boot option psmouse.rate=100 ?
[10:20] <klerfayt> it says unknown
[10:21] <uniq> cow_2001: i suggest going to hoary -> breezy
[10:21] <cow_2001> uniq, thanks
[10:21] <apokryphos> cow_2001: going warty > breezy is explicitly unsupported, yes
[10:21] <cow_2001> apokryphos, thanks
[10:24] <DarkED> yo
[10:24] <DarkED> that was weird
[10:24] <RadiantFire> what was?
[10:25] <DarkED> well..
[10:25] <DarkED> my nick suddenly changed for no reason
[10:25] <DarkED> i became DarkED_
[10:25] <RadiantFire> thats always fun
[10:25] <DarkED> so i guess i got DC'ed
[10:25] <DarkED> but it didnt say anything
[10:25] <DarkED> so i did nickserv ghost user pass
[10:25] <DarkED> nothing happened
[10:25] <DarkED> did it again ;)
[10:25] <RadiantFire> its reclaim
[10:25] <RadiantFire> not ghost
[10:25] <DarkED> nothing happened
[10:26] <RadiantFire> I thought
[10:26] <DarkED> nah try ghost, you will kick yourself ;)
[10:26] <RadiantFire> i'd just as soon not
[10:26] <RadiantFire> IRC is fun
[10:26] <RadiantFire> :-P
[10:28] <RadiantFire> I just noticed something
[10:28] <RadiantFire> Align to grid seems to be broken in the latest state of dapper
[10:29] <RadiantFire> for icons
[10:30] <Terminus> RadiantFire: currently works here. it gets broken every few days though.
[10:30] <Terminus> anybody have problems with the desktop hanging when you right click on an object on it? i'm not sure but it seems that it tries to display the tooltip which clashes with the right click and then it hangs. :|
[10:31] <Terminus> this is in dapper.
[10:31] <klerfayt> I need to limit synaptics rate to 40 pps with poot parameter psmouse.rate=40 but dmesg keeps insisting that this is Unknown boot option
[10:31] <imran> i have that problem terminus
[10:32] <Terminus> imran: it's just irritating. :|
[10:36] <kronoz> !nvidia
[10:36] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:39] <drk> hi, does anyone know what's the name of the ms fonts package for kubuntu?
[10:40] <Terminus> drk: msttcorefonts
[10:41] <drk> humm, is it available for amd64 ?
[10:41] <nico8481> anyone here using linux for music creation?
[10:41] <drk> # apt-get install msttcorefonts
[10:41] <drk> E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate
[10:42] <Terminus> drk: have you enabled multiverse?
[10:42] <drk> well, i'm not sure if everything is ok
[10:42] <drk> i have a deb-src line containing multiverse
[10:43] <drk> deb-src http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[10:43] <Blissex> nico8481: ask a more precise, generic question, and have a look at aGNUla and CCRMA
[10:43] <Terminus> drk: you need a deb line with multiverse.
[10:44] <drk> hmm, that seems to have been the problem
[10:44] <drk> works now
[10:44] <drk> thanks
[10:44] <Terminus> np. :)
[10:45] <drk> i overlooked the fact that i had a deb-src instead of a deb in sources.
[10:45] <drk> :(
[10:45] <nico8481> Blissex: actually i was considering building a DAW (digital audio workstation) on a new computer that i'd need to buy, i was wondering if a laptop would be a bad choice... since maybe there are performance issues with the hardware (maybe needs fast disks to get good results or i don't know...)
[10:45] <Blissex> nico8481: laptop is fine. You can get fairly decent USB2 based sound stuff.
[10:45] <nico8481> Blissex: what about disk speed? is 5400rpm OK?
[10:45] <gil> how do i reset my sound
[10:46] <Blissex> nico8481: usually fast discs are needed for video, audio is not that demanding.
[10:46] <nico8481> Blissex: and what USB2 stuff are you talking about btw?
[10:46] <Blissex> nico8481: but 5400 probably is OK.
[10:46] <Blissex> nico8481: external sound cards an synthetizers for USB2
[10:46] <nico8481> hmm "probably" :-/
[10:46] <gil> evertime i used skype...afterwards sound is locked up0
[10:46] <gil> how do i reset the alsa
[10:47] <Terminus> ubotu: tell gil about skype
[10:47] <kronoz> !skype
[10:47] <ubotu> I heard skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[10:47] <Blissex> gil: read the OSS and sharing sections of http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html too
[10:48] <itsmeeh> must go today 2 gateway cx200x notebooks brand new in box,  price 600 each message me on aim at ogd443 or msn at albertaguy1981@hotmail.com if interested.
[10:48] <nico8481> Blissex: also, is linux the best choice for a DAW compared to OSX? (new macbooks are tempting :p)
[10:48] <gil> ok thanks
[10:49] <Blissex> nico8481: depends on your budget and how technically sophisticated you are. The Mac has very good multimedia apps. They cost money...
[10:49] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: You can't run logic on linux so a mac is best
[10:49] <Terminus> Blissex: most people are just concerned about talking to other people. :)
[10:49] <nico8481> Blissex: yup but since osx is freebsd-based i guess i can run the same stuff on it isn't it ?
[10:49] <nico8481> open-source stuff like ardour...
[10:50] <nico8481> also maybe not alsa however :-/
[10:50] <Blissex> nico8481: then whats the point of getting a much more expensive Mac if you are going to run the same stuff?
[10:50] <nico8481> Blissex: that i can run the mac-only stuff too :)
[10:50] <Blissex> nico8481: BTW, there is a semi-commercial Linux distro for sound work
[10:51] <nico8481> yup but that's only for trying, i'm not sure i'm really that interested into making music, just want to play a bit and see...
[10:51] <h3sp4wn> Its difficult to get linux ubuntu working properly for audio - but after dapper is released there is someone who is going to provide a real time patched kernel
[10:52] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: don't know that soft but it probably costs you an eye :P how about garageband?
[10:53] <Blissex> nico8481: http://www.ferventsoftware.com/
[10:53] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: seemingly there's a website dedicated to ubuntu-based DAWs : http://ubuntustudio.com
[10:53] <h3sp4wn> Never used it (I think it is a cut  down version of logic) - Ableton Live is a good program
[10:53] <nico8481> Blissex: thx for the link
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> nico: the first thing it says without the realtime-preemption patches from Ingo Molnar ubuntu is almost useless ....
[10:55] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: yup but then just install the patches :)
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: I know but until dapper is marked final I can't be bothered doing it (knowing the kernel will probably change again)
[10:56] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: hmm i guess the kernel will never stop evolving even when dapper will be out...
[10:57] <nico8481> there'll always be new releases of it...
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: There won't unless something major needs to be fixed once dapper is out
[10:58] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: why not?
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: They start a new development version and add the new stuff to that
[11:00] <nico8481> hmm... so why can't you stick with the kernel you have on breezy and not upgrade to the new development version?
[11:00] <nico8481> (not sure i get it)
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> I am using dapper because it has later versions of the audio stuff (amongst other reasons)
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> It is released in 10 days or so
[11:01] <nico8481> oh ok
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> But currently there is a new kernel every week or too which would mean I would have to reapply the patches every time
[11:01] <nico8481> so in 10 days it'll be OK to build an ubuntustudio with the lowlat patch :)
[11:02] <Toothpick> Hello, there was a wallpaper I saw with Kubuntu label that was a school blackboard...I've been googling, does someone have it or a link for it?
[11:03] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: when will the new versions stop appearing? when dapper is released? or is it still supposed to evolve after that? (not the development version of course)
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: I am hoping so
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: Once a release is made it is frozen i.e only major bug fixes and security updates are made for it
[11:03] <nico8481> hmm ok
[11:04] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: does something interfer in the sound stuff whether you use gnome or kde?
[11:04] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: like the sound daemons or i don't know?
[11:04] <alexander> Hi, I don't suppose anyone could tell me why I get   'Could not connect to gb.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out' when running apt-get update
[11:04] <alexander> try as I might I can't find anything that fixes it on the net
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: Either artsd or esd - but I don't have either running
[11:05] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: ok so they are not needing to use the DAW stuff
[11:05] <nico8481> needed
[11:05] <nico8481> (i'm not that savvy about audio stuff)
[11:05] <Xemanth^> Lordi ftw \o/
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: For the audio stuff I believe you want to use jackd but its quite complicated to setup and I don't think works on breezy
[11:06] <crimsun> alexander: sounds like your dns/proxy is screwed
[11:06] <nico8481> hmm ok i'll wait for dapper then
[11:06] <alexander> well I don't use a proxy
[11:06] <nico8481> anyway i still don't have my laptop :)
[11:06] <alexander> and resolv.conf looks ok
[11:06] <crimsun> alexander: that doesn't mean there's not a transparent one upstream.
[11:06] <alexander> hmm
[11:06] <alexander> so where does that leave me
[11:07] <crimsun> alexander: what does host return for gb.archive.ubuntu.com?
[11:07] <crimsun> alexander: is there anything odd in /etc/hosts?
[11:07] <alexander> one moment
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> nico8481: I don't know that much about it (most of my music stuff is synths , samplers etc) - I still need to find a decent midi interface also
[11:07] <TheChronoTrigger> can anyone help me make a fat32 partition? I created a partition will fdisk, and I'm trying to format the partition with "mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda1" but it is telling me that the device contains a mounted filesystem. How do I unmount it so I can format the drive? I've tried unmount /dev/sda.. and it didn't work
[11:07] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: so what i have to decide now is whether i get an apple laptop or a "normal" one (and which one do i need for all of its features/components to be supported by linux/ubuntu)
[11:07] <crimsun> TheChronoTrigger: umount /dev/sda1
[11:07] <TheChronoTrigger> oh :)
[11:07] <crimsun> TheChronoTrigger: you unmount logical partitions, not block devices
[11:07] <TheChronoTrigger> umount not unmount
[11:08] <TheChronoTrigger> thanks
[11:08] <alexander> well it says : '127.0.0.1	localhost.localdomain	localhost	ubuntu'
[11:09] <alexander> and various jazz about ip6
[11:09] <nico8481> h3sp4wn: cause i know they are lots of sites like linuxlaptops or something that lists tons of outdated laptops that you can never find in stores and says for each "it's perfectly supported, but here is a list of things that don't work" ;-)
[11:09] <crimsun> alexander: ok, that's fine.
[11:09] <crimsun> alexander: what does ``host gb.archive.ubuntu.com'' return?
[11:10] <alexander> gb.archive.ubuntu.com has address 85.133.25.8 at first
[11:10] <alexander> then it says
[11:10] <alexander> ;; Warning: Message parser reports malformed message packet.
[11:10] <alexander> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[11:11] <crimsun> alexander: do the entries in resolv.conf point to your modem's/router's ip, or do they use upstream?
[11:12] <alexander> then it says 192.168.0.1
[11:12] <alexander> which is my router
[11:13] <crimsun> perhaps your router is spitting out malformed packets. The ip for gb.a.u.c is correct, but you shouldn't be getting errors about malformed.
[11:13] <TheChronoTrigger> Got it working! Thanks crimsun
[11:13] <crimsun> TheChronoTrigger: np
[11:13] <alexander> I wouldn't be surprised
[11:13] <alexander> damned thing :)
[11:15] <uwo> still something unclear - "ffmpeg" works only when sudo-ed, how do i get it working normally, so i can add it to scripts?
[11:23] <mustafu> I'm lost.  K3B won't let me work with MP3's because it reports that it's an unsupported format....is there a package somewhere I have to install first?
[11:23] <Blissex> mustafu: !restricted
[11:23] <Blissex> !mp3
[11:23] <ubotu> rumour has it, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:23] <Blissex> !restricted
[11:23] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:24] <mustafu> Thanks
[11:28] <_paulb> where do i put dlls for a program in wine?
[11:31] <elijahlofgren> _paulb: Probably in ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system
[11:31] <_paulb> i tried that
[11:31] <_paulb> and system 32
[11:32] <elijahlofgren> _paulb: I don't think I know then. What program are you trying to get working?
[11:32] <_paulb> EPGY K-7 math
[11:33] <_paulb> sorta obscure, a 16 bit program based on Toolbook or something
[11:34] <elijahlofgren> _paulb: You could try putting the dll in the same folder as the program.
[11:34] <_paulb> i did sadly
[11:35] <elijahlofgren> _paulb: Maybe trying installing the program in Windows and then search an see where that dll is in Windows.
[11:35] <_paulb> it installed the dlls into a folder in runtime or something
[11:37] <elijahlofgren> _paulb: If you have the program installed in Windows you could search for that dll filename in Windows to see where it gets put. I don't understand what "into a folder in runtime" means.
[11:38] <_paulb> they are installed into a folder called runtime under ~/.wine/c/EPGYK-7/sys/runtime
[11:43] <_paulb> i think ill just use vmware or something
[11:43] <alexander> well I fixed it :D
[11:43] <alexander> I replaced the routers address in resolv.conf with that of my isps server
[11:43] <alexander> which I tried earlier
[11:43] <alexander> but I must have been looking at an old page
[11:44] <alexander> so I popped in the new one and...voil
[11:44] <alexander> :D
[11:44] <asraniel> hei, any idea how to use kaffeine with the gstreamer backend
[11:45] <TheChronoTrigger> quick question... if I made a partition and formatted a drive and later realized that I forgot to make it bootable, is it ok to use fdisk and toggle it bootable and write the partition rather than deleting the old partition and recreating it and reformatting?
[11:45] <crimsun> alexander: which is what I suggested a while ago ;-)
[11:45] <alexander> :0
[11:45] <alexander> I mean
[11:45] <alexander> :)
[11:45] <alexander> that'll teach me to look at cached google pages
[11:46] <TheChronoTrigger> anyone?
[11:47] <crimsun> TheChronoTrigger: your statement is confusing
[11:48] <crimsun> TheChronoTrigger: did you create a partition and then "format" it, or did you create a partition then wipe it out and recreate it, /then/ format it?
[11:48] <crimsun> TheChronoTrigger: in any case, it's fine to make it bootable via {c}fdisk; there's no need to blow away the partition and start over
[11:49] <TheChronoTrigger> I created a partition and formatted it.. later I realized that I needed that partition to be bootable
[11:49] <TheChronoTrigger> I can go into fdisk toggle the partition as bootable and write the partition... is that ok or not adviseable?
[11:50] <crimsun> it's fine
[11:50] <TheChronoTrigger> cool :)
[11:50] <TheChronoTrigger> thanks
[11:50] <TheChronoTrigger> I need to reboot to see if it work... Be Back Later
[11:51] <arrinmurr> anyone know if it's possible to create any kind of archive that's split into multiple files with Ark?
[11:53] <luksan> arrinmurr: you could always just use the "split" command
[11:54] <Toothpick> Do you recall seeing the school blackboard on a kubuntu live cd?
[11:54] <Toothpick> I can't find it...
[11:56] <arrinmurr> luksan: hmm...